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The amazon.com description at the link provided mentions that it
contains "behind-the-scenes looks at Planet of the Apes" among other things.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:48 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Comics Gone Ape!

> I'm fairly sure someone (Greg Plonowski?) did mention this and I'm
> fairlysure they said it has a few pages on POTA.
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing Rory.
>
>
>
> You forgot to cross post!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Haristas@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2007 7:59 AM
> To: potaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Comics Gone Ape!
>
>
>
> Anybody checked out this book yet?
>
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Comics-Gone-Ape-Michael-
> Eury/dp/1893905624/ref=sr_1_1/105-7429563-
> 2450844?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190152553&sr=1-1>
> http://www.amazon.com/Comics-Gone-Ape-Michael-
> Eury/dp/1893905624/ref=sr_1_1/105-7429563-
> 2450844?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190152553&sr=1-1
>
> -- Rory
>
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Not only is this set years before PLANET but it's in AUSTRALIA so anything can (and does!) happen really.

*** Does that mean that you're gonna throw anothe chimp on the barbee?


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I’m fairly sure someone (Greg Plonowski?) did mention this and I’m fairly sure they said it has a few pages on POTA.

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Michael,

On the Amazon URL, click or just hover your mouse icon over "Search
Inside", then click "Table of Contents".

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:59 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Comics Gone Ape!

> -- It has a chapter on POTA comics apparently:
>
>
>
> Neil-----Original Message-----
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> Of Michael & Sally Whitty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Comics Gone Ape!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm fairly sure someone (Greg Plonowski?) did mention this and I'm
> fairly sure they said it has a few pages on POTA.
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=46323/stime=1190155797/nc1=3858794/nc2=3848627/nc3=4725795>
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Very.

Description says it's wood & resin so I assume only the base is wood.
The seller has a whole bunch of SF movie/tv ship models. All nice.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:46 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Ansa Icarus Wood Model

> Pretty cool:
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Planet-of-the-Apes-Ansa-Icarus-
> Model_W0QQitemZ270167553882QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270167553882
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> Neil
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.html.html In a message dated 9/21/2007 7:21:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

So how accurate do you all think this is?

Do you think everything's in the right sopt?

Michael

The flag decals are in the right "sopt" but they're on the wrong way.  I also notice the outer curves of the flat parts in front of the windows aren't as they should be, but it's overall the model's not bad.

-- Rory


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The flag decals are in the right "sopt" but they're on the wrong way.  I also notice the outer curves of the flat parts in front of the windows aren't as they should be, but it's overall the model's not bad.

*** I'd agree with that as well... It's something I'd buy if the price was right...

I'm sure nobody will ever tackle it, but I'd like to see a bigger model of the ship... What we have here is more like that "ship" in the TV series... I'd like a larger ship to show more of the ship in PLANET, because as we all know, the ship in PLANET "is" supposed to be bigger than just the front cone which was made as a prop for the film...

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Another blog entry about POTA. Scroll down past the first paragraph which
appears to be in another language.

http://antonkondaurov.livejournal.com/8597.html"

Melinda

You've probably seen this picture of Nova before, but I haven't seen this
particular pose before.

http://comicbookcatacombs.blogspot.com/2007/09/planet-of-apes-revisited.html"

Melinda

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:01 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution Sales Figures.

3000 is really something I think is indicative of the fan base – and of that 3000 I think 1000 or so would be Tom Fowler fans, Ty Templeton fans, people who just like the look of the covers….etc.

Yeah – how does TRON beat it?

That sounds rude…

Michael

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Monday, 3 September 2007 8:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Official Fan Club

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com , "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
>It would be nice to get some figures
> on the sales of some recent Apes stuff such as the Revolution comics,
> that way we would get some sort of idea of the true size of the fan
> base.
>
> Neil
>
>
 Here's some sales figures on the last issue of Revolution.

http://www.icv2. com/articles/ home/9470..html"

#6 comes in at number 223.

The series started slightly higher but was pretty consistent towards the latter issues.

Now with all comic "sales"figures these don't show the whole picture (sales to the UK for instance aren't record with these) but Icv2 have a good rep'

The interesting thing with the comic was at the time I did try and keep track of the sales and was quite surprised to see that a couple of months thinks like Tron outsold it (I think it was the first issue Apes was above 3000 copies but Tron was something like 8000,I 've had to much southern comfort to go back and check.)

Best, Graham.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:36 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

Hey Jeff - how did this turn out?

 

Did Bill get any photos?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2007 11:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

  Thanks, Michael.  Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:41 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

I'll pass this on to a couple of collectors.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2007 12:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

 Bill Blake is looking for any and all ORIGINAL publicity photos/press- kit materials, etc., from his 1970's "Meet Zira and Cornelius" live show-tours/personal appearances, especially Bill's 'before and after' photo captioned "William Blake as Cornelius" (an edited/cropped version of which can be seen on pg. 34 of Marvel's POTA Magazine # 12). Those who have any of these materials (Remember, ORIGINALS ONLY, and in VG to Excellent Condition), please contact me at veetus@earthlink. net . Thanks!    Jeff"

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:26 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

-- So what parts did they play in the 'movies and T.V. Series' as stated on this flyer?

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@aol. com
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:10 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

Is this Bill looking for this .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:40 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Meet Cornelius' needs

OK – be nice!

He could have a fake memory.

I have vivid memories of things that never happened!  Serious!

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2007 10:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Meet Cornelius' needs

In a message dated 9/3/2007 7:12:38 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- So he wasn't technically an 'original actor from the movie and tv series', as the flyer states then?

*** Bill Blake told Jeff that Ron Stein played Roddy's stunt double, which he didn't...  He lied to Jeff about that, so he probably made the whole "I was in a deleted scene" thing too to try to impress JK, the same way he tried to impress him with his highly mistaken "facts" about the TV series...

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From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:46 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

In a message dated 9/5/2007 7:22:07 AM Central Daylight Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes:

Why all the Bill Blake bashing??? He is a part of POTA
history...he was featured in the Marvel
magazine...that should be enough!

** No bashing, just really saying that he doesn't know all he claims to... As far as being part of the APES history, how so? As mentioned, the guys in the UK rodeo aren't getting their due: After all, they made live appearances too AND had a show going on while doing it...

And if being in the magazine means being part of their history, where do you draw the line? Does a one sentence blurb about APES in a TV guide count for you? Do the ADVENTURE comics in all their glory really need to be included too?


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.html.html In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:49:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Bill Blake has one of the best memories around. Cynicougar doesn't know what he's talking about.  Jeff

That reminds me.... Ron Stein, always wearing one of those red jumpsuits, played a crew member of the Seaview in "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea."  He rarely had a line, but starting in season three you can spot him in almost every episode.  When he played a human in one episode of the POTA TV show his hair was curly, but in VTTBOTS he's got one of those jet black, Frankie Avalon "hair helmets."

-- Rory


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Guys,

Re: POTA vs TRON

I can't stress enough that the biggest problem with our series' sales was our publisher, and not the market, and not the fans.  We probably would have done about 10,000 in sales if our publisher had taken out ads, had supported the book with promotion and convention appearances, and direct mail/email messages to retailers, just like other publishers do.  He was very new to the biz, and had none of the basic skills in place to do well. Basically, we printed the thing and hoped people found out about it, which is foolish marketing to say the least.  I asked for more promotion, and went out to generate promotion on my own, but it was hardly enough.

 I'm convinced that the very same series, with the same art and story would have done more than twenty-five thousand if we'd come out under a Dark Horse or DC banner and a PR dept. that knew what it was doing.  This isn't sour grapes, or misplaced optimism, but a considered professional opinion of someone who knows far more about the comix biz than our publisher did.  Someday, I'll tell you all about the strange disasters of marketing that was Mr. Comics' Big Max. 

Marketing, Marketing.

Ty the Guy

On 9/23/07, Jeff K. < veetus@...> wrote:

   About "Tron" beating "Revolution" in sales - - "Tron" has become popular thanks to it's place in early CG and computer history. It's kind of a legend with techies. Maybe that says something about why POTA doesn't have popularity these days (besides POTA2001 killing off interest). "Star Trek", "Star Wars", "Battlestar Galactica"...these are all techie things. It's a techie world and welcome to it. By it's nature POTA is the opposite. We love the Icarus but POTA is not a collection of spaceships. Probably a disadvantage in today's world. When POTA was at it's most popular "Star Wars" had yet to revolutionize (if you'll pardon the expression) sci-fi.  Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:01 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution Sales Figures.

3000 is really something I think is indicative of the fan base – and of that 3000 I think 1000 or so would be Tom Fowler fans, Ty Templeton fans, people who just like the look of the covers….etc.

Yeah – how does TRON beat it?

That sounds rude…

Michael

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Monday, 3 September 2007 8:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Official Fan Club

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
>It would be nice to get some figures
> on the sales of some recent Apes stuff such as the Revolution comics,
> that way we would get some sort of idea of the true size of the fan
> base.
>
> Neil
>
>
 Here's some sales figures on the last issue of Revolution.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/9470.html

#6 comes in at number 223.

The series started slightly higher but was pretty consistent towards the latter issues.

Now with all comic "sales"figures these don't show the whole picture (sales to the UK for instance aren't record with these) but Icv2 have a good rep'

The interesting thing with the comic was at the time I did try and keep track of the sales and was quite surprised to see that a couple of months thinks like Tron outsold it (I think it was the first issue Apes was above 3000 copies but Tron was something like 8000,I 've had to much southern comfort to go back and check.)

Best, Graham.

I have to agree with Ty. Promoting a new comic is very important. I
have friends who worked at several comic book publishing and they do
some are very aggresive
promotion in getting their comic seen by the public. if Revolution had
backing from Oni Press, Dark Horse and Virgin Comics ( who has some
millionaire named Branson behind them)
and Fantagraphics, and other major comic book publishers ,the comic
might have a larger fan base. The artist of Revolution had nothing to
do with the poor sales, the PR department
and the publisher were at fault. i congratulate Ty for bring Apes back
for all of the Ape fans out there, and if he find another publisher
that will agressively go out and promote the book.

Thanks Ty

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Revolution Sales Figures.























Guys,

Re: POTA vs TRON

I can't stress enough that the biggest problem with our series' sales
was our publisher, and not the market, and not the fans. We probably
would have done about 10,000 in sales if our publisher had taken out
ads, had supported the book with promotion and convention appearances,
and direct mail/email messages to retailers, just like other publishers
do. He was very new to the biz, and had none of the basic skills in
place to do well. Basically, we printed the thing and hoped people
found out about it, which is foolish marketing to say the least. I
asked for more promotion, and went out to generate promotion on my own,
but it was hardly enough.


I'm convinced that the very same series, with the same art and story
would have done more than twenty-five thousand if we'd come out under a
Dark Horse or DC banner and a PR dept. that knew what it was doing.
This isn't sour grapes, or misplaced optimism, but a considered
professional opinion of someone who knows far more about the comix biz
than our publisher did. Someday, I'll tell you all about the strange
disasters of marketing that was Mr. Comics' Big Max.


Marketing, Marketing.

Ty the Guy

On 9/23/07, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:




















About "Tron" beating "Revolution" in
sales - - "Tron" has become popular thanks to it's place in early CG
and
computer history. It's kind of a legend with techies. Maybe that says
something
about why POTA doesn't have popularity these days (besides POTA2001
killing off
interest). "Star Trek", "Star Wars", "Battlestar Galactica"...these are
all
techie things. It's a techie world and welcome to it. By it's nature
POTA is the
opposite. We love the Icarus but POTA is not a collection of
spaceships.
Probably a disadvantage in today's world. When POTA was at it's most
popular
"Star Wars" had yet to revolutionize (if you'll pardon the expression)
sci-fi. Jeff


----- Original Message -----

From:
Michael
& Sally Whitty
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:01
PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution Sales
Figures.





3000 is really
something I think is indicative of the fan base – and of that 3000 I
think
1000 or so would be Tom Fowler fans, Ty Templeton fans, people who
just like
the look of the covers….etc.

Yeah – how does TRON
beat it?

That sounds
rude…

Michael




------------------------------------------------------------


From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Monday, 3 September 2007 8:33
AM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Official Fan
Club





---
In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...>
wrote:

>
>It would be nice to get some figures
> on the
sales of some recent Apes stuff such as the Revolution comics,
> that
way we would get some sort of idea of the true size of the fan
>
base.
>
> Neil
>
>
Here's some sales figures on the last issue of
Revolution.
http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/9470.html"

#6 comes in at number
223.
The series started slightly higher but
was pretty consistent towards the latter issues.
Now with all comic "sales"figures these
don't show the whole picture (sales to the UK for
instance aren't record with these) but Icv2 have a good
rep'
The interesting thing with the comic was
at the time I did try and keep track of the sales and was quite
surprised to
see that a couple of months thinks like Tron outsold it (I think it
was the
first issue Apes was above 3000 copies but Tron was something like
8000,I 've
had to much southern comfort to go back and check.)
Best,
Graham.

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They also rotoscoped over his picture for the "passage of time" montage in the animated episode "Mission of Mercy".

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.html In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:15:32 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't know why Cougar is so down on Bill but I can guarantee he speaks the truth about the lost scene.

***Let me ask you: If you didn't "know" Bill, would you be so quick to believe it? You have offered NO evidence that it ever existed at all, anywhere (film or script)... You've also failed to answer any direct, questions either. Your argument: "It happened"... Well, here is an open invitation to you: Can you answer any of the following questions to prove it was shot and suddenly cut. (Why would a show on a tight budget cut ANYTHING?)

I've said it once, I'll say it again: If such a  scene existed, why isn't there any proof of it? Not a photo has surfaced, and I don't recall it ever being in any script either... Also, as mentioned in that Ron Harper interview from years back, he said how the show often "ran short" and that's why they always had such long shots of them running into, or away from, the action, etc. I do not believe that a show that often ran short would cut scenes.

And, as I asked, why would they have hired someone who was supposed to be a "dead ringer" for Roddy? Why would any show on TV hire someone who could have been "confused" for the STAR of the show?

And yes, the Adventure comics are part of "Ape history". Or is "Ape history only the stuff Cougar likes? If so, he better give us a list of what we're supposed to like.  

*** No, APES history is not just what I like... If so, the bulk ALL the comics wouldn't exist, nor would the majority of the items either...BATTLE would have been a totally different film, and the TV series and RETURN wouldn't be what they are either...
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In a message dated 9/23/2007 7:54:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

It's kind of a legend with techies. Maybe that says something about why POTA doesn't have popularity these days (besides POTA2001 killing off interest). "Star Trek", "Star Wars", "Battlestar Galactica".. .these are all techie things.

 

That's because it's set in a primitive society.

My script isn't that way at all, though there

are what might be considered talking monkeys.

 

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Not sure if anyone here reads the articles on Comic Book Resources,
but Steve Grant's weekly series "Permanent Damage" are always
interesting. Along with each weeks article, Grant posts 5 or six comic
covers and each week readers are tasked to identify the common link
between the comics. It could be anything, a common artist, a theme,
ANYTHING.

As luck would have it, the march ROPOTA is one of this weeks covers.
And to make things even more interesting, this weeks article discusses
the 'make or break' vagaries of indie comic publishing. Something that
falls right into the lap of the ROPOTA publishing story.

So if you are interested in such matters, check it out:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=10

As an added bonus, play the game and see if you can find the link with
the ROPOTA and the others shown.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
Date: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Revolution Sales Figures.

> Guys,
>
> Re: POTA vs TRON
>
> I can't stress enough that the biggest problem with our series'
> sales was
> our publisher, and not the market, and not the fans. We probably
> would have
> done about 10,000 in sales if our publisher had taken out ads, had
> supportedthe book with promotion and convention appearances, and
> direct mail/email
> messages to retailers, just like other publishers do. He was very
> new to
> the biz, and had none of the basic skills in place to do well.
> Basically, we
> printed the thing and hoped people found out about it, which is
> foolishmarketing to say the least. I asked for more promotion,
> and went out to
> generate promotion on my own, but it was hardly enough.
>
> I'm convinced that the very same series, with the same art and
> story would
> have done more than twenty-five thousand if we'd come out under a
> Dark Horse
> or DC banner and a PR dept. that knew what it was doing. This
> isn't sour
> grapes, or misplaced optimism, but a considered professional
> opinion of
> someone who knows far more about the comix biz than our publisher
did.
> Someday, I'll tell you all about the strange disasters of
> marketing that was
> Mr. Comics' Big Max.
>
> Marketing, Marketing.
>
> Ty the Guy
>
> On 9/23/07, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
> >
> > About "Tron" beating "Revolution" in sales - - "Tron" has
> become> popular thanks to it's place in early CG and computer
> history. It's kind of
> > a legend with techies. Maybe that says something about why POTA
> doesn't have
> > popularity these days (besides POTA2001 killing off interest).
> "Star Trek",
> > "Star Wars", "Battlestar Galactica"...these are all techie
> things. It's a
> > techie world and welcome to it. By it's nature POTA is the
> opposite. We love
> > the Icarus but POTA is not a collection of spaceships. Probably a
> > disadvantage in today's world. When POTA was at it's most
> popular "Star
> > Wars" had yet to revolutionize (if you'll pardon the expression)
> sci-fi.
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:01 PM
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Revolution Sales Figures.
> >
> > 3000 is really something I think is indicative of the fan base
> – and of
> > that 3000 I think 1000 or so would be Tom Fowler fans, Ty
> Templeton fans,
> > people who just like the look of the covers….etc.
> >
> > Yeah – how does TRON beat it?
> >
> > That sounds rude…
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
> *On Behalf
> > Of *Graham Hill
> > *Sent:* Monday, 3 September 2007 8:33 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: Official Fan Club
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >It would be nice to get some figures
> > > on the sales of some recent Apes stuff such as the Revolution
> comics,> > that way we would get some sort of idea of the true
> size of the fan
> > > base.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > Here's some sales figures on the last issue of Revolution.
> >
> > http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/9470.html"
> >
> > #6 comes in at number 223.
> >
> > The series started slightly higher but was pretty consistent
> towards the
> > latter issues.
> >
> > Now with all comic "sales"figures these don't show the whole
picture
> > (sales to the UK for instance aren't record with these) but Icv2
> have a good
> > rep'
> >
> > The interesting thing with the comic was at the time I did try
> and keep
> > track of the sales and was quite surprised to see that a couple
> of months
> > thinks like Tron outsold it (I think it was the first issue Apes
> was above
> > 3000 copies but Tron was something like 8000,I 've had to much
> southern> comfort to go back and check.)
> >
> > Best, Graham.
> >
> >
> >
>

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From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:15:32 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

I don't know why Cougar is so down on Bill but I can guarantee he speaks the truth about the lost scene.

***Let me ask you: If you didn't "know" Bill, would you be so quick to believe it? You have offered NO evidence that it ever existed at all, anywhere (film or script)... You've also failed to answer any direct, questions either. Your argument: "It happened"... Well, here is an open invitation to you: Can you answer any of the following questions to prove it was shot and suddenly cut. (Why would a show on a tight budget cut ANYTHING?)

I've said it once, I'll say it again: If such a  scene existed, why isn't there any proof of it? Not a photo has surfaced, and I don't recall it ever being in any script either... Also, as mentioned in that Ron Harper interview from years back, he said how the show often "ran short" and that's why they always had such long shots of them running into, or away from, the action, etc. I do not believe that a show that often ran short would cut scenes.

And, as I asked, why would they have hired someone who was supposed to be a "dead ringer" for Roddy? Why would any show on TV hire someone who could have been "confused" for the STAR of the show?

And yes, the Adventure comics are part of "Ape history". Or is "Ape history only the stuff Cougar likes? If so, he better give us a list of what we're supposed to like.  

*** No, APES history is not just what I like... If so, the bulk ALL the comics wouldn't exist, nor would the majority of the items either...BATTLE would have been a totally different film, and the TV series and RETURN wouldn't be what they are either...
And hangers-on of would-be "experts" wouldn't be allowed to post their non-APES related posts on here....





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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:59 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Meet the Hot Tub's needs

Hey Jeff – this is a WRITTEN scene right, which was ditched….not a filmed scene of course?

Michael

PS This is the same John Roach who said George Lazenby starred in various filmed episodes of a second series of the POTA TV Show that was never released?  J

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2007 2:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

  John Roche sent me a scene that was not filmed from that very episode, with Urko and Zauis in a hot tub (a la "Beneath"). It was written but Booth Colman says he never saw the scene before, so they must have decided at the last minute to shelve it. Makes sense to me they would do Bill's scene as a last minute replacement (no guest stars, just a short scene between Bill and Lee).

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:06 AM

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   It's BECAUSE I "know" Bill that I believe it. If you know someone and you've shared adventures together then either you trust them or you don't. You'll never know 100% if someone is truthful about everything but you get a good idea based on common experiences.

  I have seen a photo of Bill in the scene taken by the actor who played the gorilla (Lee Delano, who often played gorillas on the show; he also makes convention appearances, so if someone wants to ask him I'm sure he'd confirm it). Bill doesn't have the picture any more but I've seen it (Bill in ape makeup on the TV show set) so if you want to call me a liar too, fine.

  John Roche sent me a scene that was not filmed from that very episode, with Urko and Zauis in a hot tub (a la "Beneath"). It was written but Booth Colman says he never saw the scene before, so they must have decided at the last minute to shelve it. Makes sense to me they would do Bill's scene as a last minute replacement (no guest stars, just a short scene between Bill and Lee). Bill is pleased to be the only ape actor on the show to apply his own makeup. That would be a hollow achievement if it was based on a lie. I guess they decided to cut it for time since it didn't advance the story. But Bill received residuals so he assumed it was shown in Europe or something (I think he mentions that in Marvel magazine).

  They probably had Bill do it because of his skills playing an ape and his abilities with makeup. If I needed a last minute scene that's who I'd hire. Maybe you're right, maybe they decided at the last minute he was a "dead ringer" for Roddy and that's why it was cut.

  No, Bill was not Roddy's 2nd cousin, he just got hired for a scene because of his skills like most actors do. But he played an ape on camera and that's what he publicized in the '70's. Roddy wasn't going around meeting the kids. Bill provided some Hollywood magic to kids and what's wrong with that?

  Believe him, don't, doesn't matter. Bill knows he did it and no one can take away the memories. Well, except maybe Alzheimer's or something.   Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:15:32 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

I don't know why Cougar is so down on Bill but I can guarantee he speaks the truth about the lost scene.

***Let me ask you: If you didn't "know" Bill, would you be so quick to believe it? You have offered NO evidence that it ever existed at all, anywhere (film or script)... You've also failed to answer any direct, questions either. Your argument: "It happened"... Well, here is an open invitation to you: Can you answer any of the following questions to prove it was shot and suddenly cut. (Why would a show on a tight budget cut ANYTHING?)

I've said it once, I'll say it again: If such a  scene existed, why isn't there any proof of it? Not a photo has surfaced, and I don't recall it ever being in any script either... Also, as mentioned in that Ron Harper interview from years back, he said how the show often "ran short" and that's why they always had such long shots of them running into, or away from, the action, etc. I do not believe that a show that often ran short would cut scenes.

And, as I asked, why would they have hired someone who was supposed to be a "dead ringer" for Roddy? Why would any show on TV hire someone who could have been "confused" for the STAR of the show?

And yes, the Adventure comics are part of "Ape history". Or is "Ape history only the stuff Cougar likes? If so, he better give us a list of what we're supposed to like.  

*** No, APES history is not just what I like... If so, the bulk ALL the comics wouldn't exist, nor would the majority of the items either...BATTLE would have been a totally different film, and the TV series and RETURN wouldn't be what they are either...
And hangers-on of would-be "experts" wouldn't be allowed to post their non-APES related posts on here....





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.html *** This is all very interesting, but it still fails to show any "proof" of the existence of such a scene...

Okay, you made yourself clear as to why you believe him (he's your pal), but as far as answering if there is a script with such a scene it, it falls short. The bit about the scripted Zaius/Urko scene is it's own topic really, it doesn't cover the scene in question.



In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:58:49 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 I have seen a photo of Bill in the scene taken by the actor who played the gorilla (Lee Delano, who often played gorillas on the show; he also makes convention appearances, so if someone wants to ask him I'm sure he'd confirm it). Bill doesn't have the picture any more but I've seen it (Bill in ape makeup on the TV show set) so if you want to call me a liar too, fine.
 John Roche sent me a scene that was not filmed from that very episode, with Urko and Zauis in a hot tub (a la "Beneath"). It was written but Booth Colman says he never saw the scene before, so they must have decided at the last minute to shelve it. Makes sense to me they would do Bill's scene as a last minute replacement (no guest stars, just a short scene between Bill and Lee). Bill is pleased to be the only ape actor on the show to apply his own makeup. That would be a hollow achievement if it was based on a lie. I guess they decided to cut it for time since it didn't advance the story. But Bill received residuals so he assumed it was shown in Europe or something (I think he mentions that in Marvel magazine).
 They probably had Bill do it because of his skills playing an ape and his abilities with makeup. If I needed a last minute scene that's who I'd hire. Maybe you're right, maybe they decided at the last minute he was a "dead ringer" for Roddy and that's why it was cut.
 No, Bill was not Roddy's 2nd cousin, he just got hired for a scene because of his skills like most actors do. But he played an ape on camera and that's what he publicized in the '70's. Roddy wasn't going around meeting the kids. Bill provided some Hollywood magic to kids and what's wrong with that?
 Believe him, don't, doesn't matter. Bill knows he did it and no one can take away the memories. Well, except maybe Alzheimer's or something.   Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

*** This is all very interesting, but it still fails to show any "proof" of the existence of such a scene...

Okay, you made yourself clear as to why you believe him (he's your pal), but as far as answering if there is a script with such a scene it, it falls short. The bit about the scripted Zaius/Urko scene is it's own topic really, it doesn't cover the scene in question.



In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:58:49 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

 I have seen a photo of Bill in the scene taken by the actor who played the gorilla (Lee Delano, who often played gorillas on the show; he also makes convention appearances, so if someone wants to ask him I'm sure he'd confirm it). Bill doesn't have the picture any more but I've seen it (Bill in ape makeup on the TV show set) so if you want to call me a liar too, fine.
 John Roche sent me a scene that was not filmed from that very episode, with Urko and Zauis in a hot tub (a la "Beneath"). It was written but Booth Colman says he never saw the scene before, so they must have decided at the last minute to shelve it. Makes sense to me they would do Bill's scene as a last minute replacement (no guest stars, just a short scene between Bill and Lee). Bill is pleased to be the only ape actor on the show to apply his own makeup. That would be a hollow achievement if it was based on a lie. I guess they decided to cut it for time since it didn't advance the story. But Bill received residuals so he assumed it was shown in Europe or something (I think he mentions that in Marvel magazine).
 They probably had Bill do it because of his skills playing an ape and his abilities with makeup. If I needed a last minute scene that's who I'd hire. Maybe you're right, maybe they decided at the last minute he was a "dead ringer" for Roddy and that's why it was cut.
 No, Bill was not Roddy's 2nd cousin, he just got hired for a scene because of his skills like most actors do. But he played an ape on camera and that's what he publicized in the '70's. Roddy wasn't going around meeting the kids. Bill provided some Hollywood magic to kids and what's wrong with that?
 Believe him, don't, doesn't matter. Bill knows he did it and no one can take away the memories. Well, except maybe Alzheimer's or something.   Jeff

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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 But Bill received residuals so he assumed it was shown in Europe or something (I think he mentions that in Marvel magazine).

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

I don’t think Jeff is saying they put together a different on for other countries, I think he’s saying they cut some scenes from the USA version. 

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Actually there are plenty of precendents and the reason is very simple.
Countries have different 'standards' (for lack of a better word) for the
amount of actual screen time of an episode versus the
commercial/advertizing content time. If the UK 1/2 hour shows were
running say 25 'show' minutes and the US was showing 24, then the UK
version of the same show would have 1 minute of extra footage.

American (and Canadian :) ) Ultraman fans who buy the DVDs of the
original shows now have the 'missing footage' that was filmed and shown
in Japan, but never here. (The downside of this was that in the Ultraman
case, they only dubbed English for what was actually needed, so those
missing minutes are now shown with subs on the DVD sets.)

The time 'standards' also fluctuate with time. That is why when an older
show gets rebroadcast nowadays (and they do not make a special allotment
for the difference) the rebroadcast shows are are slightly edited to
make room for more commercials.

Not saying that this is necessarily the case here, but certainly a
possibility.

Dario

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Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:30 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

> -- The question remains though- if they did cut scenes for the US but
> not overseas, then WHY did they do it???
>
> Neil
>
>
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> I don't think Jeff is saying they put together a different on for
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-- This bit I don't understand at all. Why would they bother putting together different a version of an episode for outside the US? It just makes no sense at all and I personally don't believe it happened.

*** The thing is, they wouldn't... It would involve having to re-edit the show to put that scene in and cutting of other material... It makes no sense in my eyes either...


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.html In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:28:30 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I don't think Jeff is saying they put together a different one for other countries, I think he's saying they cut some scenes from the USA version.

*** Whitty,

In order to have that "scene" in a different version, then they would have had to cut something else to fit the allotted time... Even in 1974, I'm sure foreign networks were only allowed so much time for programing to advertising per hour...  


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.html In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:31:29 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- The question remains though- if they did cut scenes for the US but not overseas, then WHY did they do it???

*** As I asked previously, if a show like APES was always trying to pad itself out with extended "action scenes" (ie running into or away from the camera), why would they cut a dialog scene... I'm not making this up about if they ran short, they added running footage... Ron Harper himself said they did this in that interview with him that appeared in that TV magazine, plus, if you read the article from TV Guide that Whitty just posted the link to a few days ago, it's also hinted at in there...

Anyway, "The Interrogation" certainly is an episode that has more running than needed... If they wanted to add the brief scene in question, they could have... The could have easily cut that beginning sequence down, or make a few cuts off the scene where it shows Galen and Virdon running, then stopping to say why they are running...


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.html *** Well, I've looked at the script on Hunter's sight... It is the "Final" script for The Interrogation", so apparently that would mean that there were not going to be any scenes added to it, maybe there was some rewriting of a few things, but nothing additional is to be added from what I understand...

Anyway, I looked at the "Final" script and there was nothing closely resembling the scene in question. Yes, the Zaius/Urko sauna scene is in there, but as this was the final script, they probably just decided to cut it entirely... Same with the additional scenes of Burke being interrogated in his past life, but there was nothing of a farmer being questioned by the police... The scene of the fugitives acquisition was different in that they didn't hijack a cart at all, but simply asked for help, BUT the dialog after that, with the gorillas is pretty much the same ("What's your business here?"... "Delivering hay for the troopers horses", etc.) so maybe they just altered the scene a bit to add some excitement by having them hijack a gorilla, and so Roddy could ham it up (after all, he is on record as saying how he loved to play a character inside the character, so they might have let him go in drag to satisfy that?) In any case, no farmer being hijacked, and no questioning by gorillas of said farmer...

Maybe we will all get to see the scene when it appears... It's probably on the Japanese DVD set of the TV series... I think I heard it's on the same disc as the blooper reel showing Roddy in a bad mood that was mentioned by that guy on "the other group"...




In a message dated 9/25/2007 8:38:29 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Well, sorry, that's all there is for now. Hopefully Bill will eventually get a copy of the scene from the monolithic Fox (which it wasn't back then before our happy world of corporate domination) or it will turn up from someone's old copy from another country.  Jeff

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*** This is all very interesting, but it still fails to show any "proof" of the existence of such a scene...

Okay, you made yourself clear as to why you believe him (he's your pal), but as far as answering if there is a script with such a scene it, it falls short. The bit about the scripted Zaius/Urko scene is it's own topic really, it doesn't cover the scene in question.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:26 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

I don’t think there’s any tangible evidence about this.

That’s not to say it didn’t happen – just that there’s no evidence.

It would be a wonderful POTA mystery to resolve….

I don’t think Jeff is saying they put together a different on for other countries, I think he’s saying they cut some scenes from the USA version.  Like the UK got a different CONQUEST comic (well a panel or 2) and Japan somehow got an un-cut BATTLE.

Michael

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Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 9:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
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-- This bit I don't understand at all. Why would they bother putting together different a version of an episode for outside the US ? It just makes no sense at all and I personally don't believe it happened.

Has anyone who saw the shows outside the US ever mentioned viewing different scenes? I don't ever recall anyone saying so.

Neil

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 But Bill received residuals so he assumed it was shown in Europe or something (I think he mentions that in Marvel magazine).

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:56 PM

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In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:23:01 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- This bit I don't understand at all. Why would they bother putting together different a version of an episode for outside the US? It just makes no sense at all and I personally don't believe it happened.

*** The thing is, they wouldn't... It would involve having to re-edit the show to put that scene in and cutting of other material... It makes no sense in my eyes either...


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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:31:29 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- The question remains though- if they did cut scenes for the US but not overseas, then WHY did they do it???

*** As I asked previously, if a show like APES was always trying to pad itself out with extended "action scenes" (ie running into or away from the camera), why would they cut a dialog scene... I'm not making this up about if they ran short, they added running footage... Ron Harper himself said they did this in that interview with him that appeared in that TV magazine, plus, if you read the article from TV Guide that Whitty just posted the link to a few days ago, it's also hinted at in there...

Anyway, "The Interrogation" certainly is an episode that has more running than needed... If they wanted to add the brief scene in question, they could have... The could have easily cut that beginning sequence down, or make a few cuts off the scene where it shows Galen and Virdon running, then stopping to say why they are running...


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.html In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:52:47 PM Central Daylight Time, darios@... writes:

If the UK 1/2 hour shows were running say 25 'show' minutes and the US was showing 24, then the UK version of the same show would have 1 minute of extra footage.

*** Are you saying that any US made show shown in the UK has an extra minute added to it? It may be that shows made in the UK, for UK consumption are "25 minutes" in length, but US shows shown over there do not have an extra minute of footage filmed, scored, etc. just to satisfy an overseas market... If that was the case, going by your time estimates, then a show like APES would have "2 minutes" extra per episode for the UK market, being that APES was a "50 minute" show... I don't see this happening... APES was on a tight budget, and while it was being filmed, they would not have known that it was going to become a UK phenomenon... As a matter of fact, who is to say that they would have known it was going to be shown anywhere outside of the US... That being said, I certainly do not see them filming scenes just on the chance that a foreign distributor "might" decide to air it overseas...

American (and Canadian :) ) Ultraman fans who buy the DVDs of the
original shows now have the 'missing footage' that was filmed and shown
in Japan, but never here. (The downside of this was that in the Ultraman
case, they only dubbed English for what was actually needed, so those
missing minutes are now shown with subs on the DVD sets.)

*** The ULTRAMAN series was made in Japan, for the Japanese market, so it would be created according to their standards. It's not as though ULTRAMAN is/was an American series, and suddenly it was being exported so they created extra minutes.

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.html In a message dated 9/25/2007 10:58:52 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Bill said he received residuals and thought maybe the scene was shown somewhere. Maybe he received residuals for filming the program even if it wasn't used. But he didn't receive residuals for a scene that didn't exist.

*** Not trying to be a smartass here... But have you ever seen any of these residual checks... APES still airs quite frequently over in the UK, so if there is anything being shown there, wouldn't he receive checks today when it airs? ("Even if it wasn't used", as you're supposing... And I'm guessing that "even if it wasn't used then, if he received any residuals, wouldn't he receive them now days too?)


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 Who knows what goes through editors' heads? That's why directors always want "final cut."

*** Yeah, but this was a US television series... "The Industry" sees TV as the bastard child of films... TV doesn't "count" when it comes to the director wanting their "final cut"...

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In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:52:47 PM Central Daylight Time, darios@... writes:

If the UK 1/2 hour shows were running say 25 'show' minutes and the US was showing 24, then the UK version of the same show would have 1 minute of extra footage.

*** Are you saying that any US made show shown in the UK has an extra minute added to it? It may be that shows made in the UK, for UK consumption are "25 minutes" in length, but US shows shown over there do not have an extra minute of footage filmed, scored, etc. just to satisfy an overseas market... If that was the case, going by your time estimates, then a show like APES would have "2 minutes" extra per episode for the UK market, being that APES was a "50 minute" show... I don't see this happening... APES was on a tight budget, and while it was being filmed, they would not have known that it was going to become a UK phenomenon.. . As a matter of fact, who is to say that they would have known it was going to be shown anywhere outside of the US... That being said, I certainly do not see them filming scenes just on the chance that a foreign distributor "might" decide to air it overseas...

American (and Canadian :) ) Ultraman fans who buy the DVDs of the
original shows now have the 'missing footage' that was filmed and shown
in Japan, but never here. (The downside of this was that in the Ultraman
case, they only dubbed English for what was actually needed, so those
missing minutes are now shown with subs on the DVD sets.)

*** The ULTRAMAN series was made in Japan, for the Japanese market, so it would be created according to their standards. It's not as though ULTRAMAN is/was an American series, and suddenly it was being exported so they created extra minutes.

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

In a message dated 9/25/2007 10:58:52 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

Bill said he received residuals and thought maybe the scene was shown somewhere. Maybe he received residuals for filming the program even if it wasn't used. But he didn't receive residuals for a scene that didn't exist.

*** Not trying to be a smartass here... But have you ever seen any of these residual checks... APES still airs quite frequently over in the UK, so if there is anything being shown there, wouldn't he receive checks today when it airs? ("Even if it wasn't used", as you're supposing... And I'm guessing that "even if it wasn't used then, if he received any residuals, wouldn't he receive them now days too?)


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In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:06:05 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

 Who knows what goes through editors' heads? That's why directors always want "final cut."

*** Yeah, but this was a US television series... "The Industry" sees TV as the bastard child of films... TV doesn't "count" when it comes to the director wanting their "final cut"...


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:07 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

   Some countries don't have commercials, like the UK, I guess. It's possible they needed a few minutes more of program.

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I'm not saying anything conclusively. The 1/2 hour, 24 vs 25 minute
numbers were just examples to express my point.

I'm just saying that if extra footage was available (ie, something
that was 'cut') then, conceivably, it could have been used to lengthen
a US show for a foreign market which had longer actual show times.

The only certainty is that different countries did and (still do) have
different show times.

I don't think that it would be a big deal at all to do the editing.
Country to country selling of TV shows is big business and it always
has been. The ability to sell a show already being made for a host
country is a huge financial bonus and tacking on an extra minute is
not a big deal especially when it is known that it will be required.
Even if a show is not shown at the same time in a foreign country, it
may have been 'pre-sold' which happens all the time between Canada and
the US, and it was a practice that was in place well before the 70's.
Pretty sure that the UK would figure into these types of deals as
well. The fact that POTA was an expensive show to begin with means
that it would have been all the more targetted for a pre-production
deal.

Again, if this really was the case with POTA is purely conjecture, but
certainly a possibility.

Dario

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From: mlccougar@...
Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

> In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:52:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
> darios@...
> writes:
>
>
> > If the UK 1/2 hour shows were running say 25 'show' minutes and
> the US was
> > showing 24, then the UK version of the same show would have 1
> minute of extra
> > footage.
>
> *** Are you saying that any US made show shown in the UK has an
> extra minute
> added to it? It may be that shows made in the UK, for UK
> consumption are "25
> minutes" in length, but US shows shown over there do not have an
> extra minute
> of footage filmed, scored, etc. just to satisfy an overseas
> market... If that
> was the case, going by your time estimates, then a show like APES
> would have "2
> minutes" extra per episode for the UK market, being that APES was
> a "50
> minute" show... I don't see this happening... APES was on a tight
> budget, and while
> it was being filmed, they would not have known that it was going
> to become a
> UK phenomenon... As a matter of fact, who is to say that they
> would have known
> it was going to be shown anywhere outside of the US... That being
> said, I
> certainly do not see them filming scenes just on the chance that a
> foreign
> distributor "might" decide to air it overseas...
>
>
> >
> > American (and Canadian :) ) Ultraman fans who buy the DVDs of the
> > original shows now have the 'missing footage' that was filmed
> and shown
> > in Japan, but never here. (The downside of this was that in the
> Ultraman> case, they only dubbed English for what was actually
> needed, so those
> > missing minutes are now shown with subs on the DVD sets.)
> >
> > *** The ULTRAMAN series was made in Japan, for the Japanese
> market, so it
> > would be created according to their standards. It's not as
> though ULTRAMAN
> > is/was an American series, and suddenly it was being exported so
> they created
> > extra minutes.
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:01 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

-- It was shown on ITV in England. They had commercials, the BBC (the only other channel at the time didn't.)

 

Neil

 

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   Some countries don't have commercials, like the UK, I guess. It's possible they needed a few minutes more of program.

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In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:26:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I don't want to talk about Bill's business matters but the residuals did continue.

 

Talking about Bill's residuals may seem boring

but it's more interesting that the usual fare on

the other group.  How about the ratings for TV?

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.html *** A simple "yes" or "no" isn't talking about his business matters... Nobody asked how much it was or anything... Sounds like more sidestepping.

In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:26:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't want to talk about Bill's business matters but the residuals did continue.

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Right! Shows on ITV would have fewer commercial breaks (about 3 in a
1-hour show), but longer than in the US, so it should balance
out 'more-or-less'. Just thinking of my TV show DVDs, with their
option of French dialogue. Presumably they use the same visuals with
different soundtracks? But anyway, does that suggest they were only
shown in the UK and France (and Japan)?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Probably not as many as the United States of Commercials.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neil Foster
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs
>
>
>
> -- It was shown on ITV in England. They had commercials, the BBC
(the only other channel at the time didn't.)
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:07 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs
>
>
>
> Some countries don't have commercials, like the UK, I guess.
It's possible they needed a few minutes more of program.
> .
>

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

  Probably not as many as the United States of Commercials. 

 

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From: Neil Foster

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:01 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

-- It was shown on ITV in England. They had commercials, the BBC (the only other channel at the time didn't.)

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:05 PM

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*** A simple "yes" or "no" isn't talking about his business matters... Nobody asked how much it was or anything... Sounds like more sidestepping.

In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:26:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

I don't want to talk about Bill's business matters but the residuals did continue.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:12 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

-- No probably not but another thing just occurred to me. We are talking about a scene that was (allegedly) filmed but then cut and replaced with the Roddy etc. scene aren't we? If so wouldn't just replacing a scene with the other one make little or no difference to the total running time of the episode anyway?

 

Neil

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:09 AM
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  Probably not as many as the United States of Commercials. 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:01 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

-- It was shown on ITV in England. They had commercials, the BBC (the only other channel at the time didn't.)

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It gets even more complicated than that. Nowadays there are multiple
versions of shows dubbed in french. Canadian french shows are dubbed in
Canada and those shown in France are done there. Presumably there could
also be a difference in show (actual) times between France and here, as
we've pretty much adopted the US timing of commercials.

Not sure if that was the case in the 70's though.

Don't laugh. As a kid I never got to see the Outer Limits in english as
the local English networks did not air OL. But it was on in french at
11pm on saturday nights.
For a while, before I came to recognize any of the actors, I though that
it WAS a french show.

Dario

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From: nlmoxham <neilmoxham@...>
Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:22 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Meet Cougar's needs

> Right! Shows on ITV would have fewer commercial breaks (about 3 in
> a
> 1-hour show), but longer than in the US, so it should balance
> out 'more-or-less'. Just thinking of my TV show DVDs, with their
> option of French dialogue. Presumably they use the same visuals
> with
> different soundtracks? But anyway, does that suggest they were only
> shown in the UK and France (and Japan)?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Probably not as many as the United States of Commercials.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Neil Foster
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:01 AM
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs
> >
> >
> >
> > -- It was shown on ITV in England. They had commercials, the
> BBC
> (the only other channel at the time didn't.)
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
> On
> Behalf Of Jeff K.
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:07 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs
> >
> >
> >
> > Some countries don't have commercials, like the UK, I
> guess.
> It's possible they needed a few minutes more of program.
> > .
> >
>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:07 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] How did BATTLE happen?

We should also ask ourselves here how BATTLE happened to show up in Japan with all the extra bits, but never hailed as anything different in the publicity.

Is it possible that Fox sent the wrong movie to Japan ?

I know I sometimes sent the wrong page of a comic (eg Beware the Beast) after mods had been made to change it.  This was an ERROR on my part.

Was the release of the fuller version of Battle an error?

Michael

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.html In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:08:21 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

What sidestepping?

*** What sidestepping you ask: I asked you if you personally ever seen any type of evidence from him that he was indeed paid... All you said was that you aren't gonna discuss his business matters... Odd, since it's this business matter of being paid for a non-existing scene that you some adamantly brought up...

Another bit of sidestepping: When asked "Where is that scene in the Final script" there was no reply... Even the written but unused sauna scene exists in script form, yet NOTHING concerning a farmer chimp and the Gorilla Police is anywhere to be seen. If such a scene was filmed, wouldn't it be/shouldn't it be in the FINAL shooting script...

And one more thing, even the unused/deleted scenes from the films have some sort of photographic AND scripted proof to show they were at least attempted (even if only rehearsed...) There is neither such evidence concerning "The Interrogation" and Mr. Blake.

If you go back and read my posts, I asked many questions/things to be questioned, etc., and there are very few clear-cut answers to anything.... (At least in my opinion.)
I'd vote for you when you run for office, but I could not recommend you for a defense lawyer.


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.html In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:03:33 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I think Jeff is saying there's possibly a longer version of the show (by a minute or two) that is cut for the US showing.

The problem is – if this is right, then shouldn't there be extra footage for ALL the shows?


*** And if you read my post, I did ask that question, just not as directly...

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 3:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's needs

If that was the case, going by your time estimates, then a show like APES would have "2 minutes" extra per episode for the UK market, being that APES was a "50 minute" show...




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.html In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:04:20 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Mike I think Jeff's saying he believes Bill so I can't see Jeff saying "show me the Cheque".

*** Perhaps, BUT, if Mr. Blake is so adamantly talking to Jeff about this, I could hypothetically see a coversation arising in which Bill would say to Jeffery "Damnit Jeff, I just don't understand this at all...  Look, look at this... They sent me a check for this and yet they can't find this scene... It's right here, look... Pay to the order of William Blake... It makes no sense to me..."


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.html ** It makes NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor will get paid while the film/show is being produced for the work they did that day of filming or whatever, BUT, once the show hits the market, they are not paid residuals if their stuff ended up on the cutting room floor...




In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Jeff I think this one makes more sense!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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He might have got the check just for filming the episode, whether the scene was shown or not.  

 









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.html In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:08:54 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Was the release of the fuller version of Battle an error?

*** I think when they were doing the Laser Disc they probably wanted to use the best (cleanest) print available... The "TV version" of BATTLE probably suited their needs...


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