|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46423 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Ten Cents |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46424 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46425 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46426 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46427 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46428 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Re: How did BATTLE happen? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46429 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46430 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Bill's Claims: #1: He plays a chimp in an episode (The Interrogatio |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46431 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46432 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46433 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46434 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46435 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46436 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46437 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Defender of Chinese Whispers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46438 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46439 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46440 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46441 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46442 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Defender of Chinese Whispers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46443 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46444 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other Clems come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46445 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Defender of Chinese Whispers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46446 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46447 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46448 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46449 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other Clems come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46450 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46451 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other Clems come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46452 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46453 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other Clems come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46454 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46455 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46456 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Don Post masks |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46457 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: The missing scenes... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46458 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: The missing scenes... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46459 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cougar's needs |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46460 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cougar's needs |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46461 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cougar's needs |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46462 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46463 |
From: Neil |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: How did BATTLE happen? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46464 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46465 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: How did BATTLE happen? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46466 |
From: Graham Hill |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Home page pic' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46467 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: movie lines |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46468 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: movie lines |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46469 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46470 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46471 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46472 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Paging Cougar |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46473 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Paging Cougar |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46474 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Paging Cougar |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46475 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46476 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Meet Cornelius' Response |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46477 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Meet Cornelius' Response 2: The Awakening |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46478 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46479 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: So what is the frigging scene then? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46480 |
From: David Jackson |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: hello |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46481 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: hello |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46482 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: hello |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46483 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cornelius' Response |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46484 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46485 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cornelius' Response |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46486 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46487 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46488 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46489 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46490 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46491 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audio thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46492 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46493 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46494 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46495 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46496 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46497 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46498 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46499 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46500 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46501 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46502 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46503 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46504 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46505 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Scripts |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46506 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46507 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46508 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46509 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46510 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Scripts |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46511 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46512 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46513 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Scripts |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46514 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46515 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46516 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46517 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46518 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Home page pic' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46519 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46520 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46521 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46522 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46423 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Ten Cents |
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I know – but it was presented in a
furious frenzy and I’d like us to all go over it calmly and discuss pros
and cons – which it what an interactive discussion group is for!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007
12:14 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ten Cents
In
a message dated 9/27/2007 9:11:15 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com
writes:
I want to pursue it with
FACTS
*** On my behalf, I pretty much DID stick with the facts... A little
overzealous because things did not add up at all, but every
"question" I posed had validity to it... I didn't just make up wild
things..
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46424 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1. |
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In a message dated 9/27/2007 9:16:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
A scientific approach is my suggestion rather than us talking about believing people because we like
them…just looking at facts.
*** My approach wasn't scientific... There's no reason for that... It's all based on facts as to why I don't think the scene could exist... There's no visual/audio/or printed proof. More
like "Dragnet" than "CSI"
**************************************
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46425 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1. |
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That’s OK. CSI time.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007
12:20 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
In
a message dated 9/27/2007 9:16:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com
writes:
A scientific approach is
my suggestion rather than us talking about believing people because we like
them…just looking at facts.
*** My approach wasn't scientific.. . There's no reason for that... It's
all based on facts as to why I don't think the scene could exist...
There's no visual/audio/ or printed proof. More like "Dragnet"
than "CSI"
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46426 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/27/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46427 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1. |
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Message
-- Happy?
;-)
Neil
Thanks
Jeff.
I’m going to go
search for it to scan but if anyone else here beats me to it (likely!) I’ll be
very
happy.
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46428 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Re: How did BATTLE happen? |
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In a message dated 9/27/2007 3:37:27 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
I hope you are being sarcastic Cougar because James saying this is one of the more absurd things he has
said and has far less basis in fact that what Jeffis saying!
** Yes, it was sarcastic... Have no fear Whitty...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46429 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3. |
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OK so the facts are:
(1)
Bill Blake claims to play a chimp in an episode (The Interrogation)
of the POTA TV Series;
(2)
Bill Blake claims that in some parts of the country “The
Interrogation” was cut;
(3)
Bill Blake claims it’s showing in Europe
now because he got a “residuals check” for it.
How did we get more information on this
and what’s the source?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007
3:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:08
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Thanks Jeff.
I’m going to go search for it to scan but if anyone
else here beats me to it (likely!) I’ll be very happy.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46430 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Bill's Claims: #1: He plays a chimp in an episode (The Interrogatio |
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Is there a chance this is a background chimp?
Michael
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46431 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/28/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
.htmlOne still gets residuals even if they are not in the final product.... mlccougar@...
wrote:
** It makes NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor will get paid while the film/show is being produced for the work they did that day of filming or whatever, BUT,
once the show hits the market, they are not paid residuals if their stuff ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
Jeff I think this one makes more sense!
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent:
Wednesday, 26 September 2007 3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's nerds
He might have got the check just for filming the episode, whether the scene was shown or not.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46432 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3. |
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Fact: Bill played a scene opposite Lee
Delano.
Fact: No, he didn't play a background
chimp.
Fact: Bill was just as puzzled as we
are. When he said it might of shown in parts of the country, or in Europe, he
was just guessing. He was trying to account for his residual check, Exhibit
A (which extras don't get).
Fact: Hopefully, Lee Delano will still
have his copy of the REAL script.
Jeff, Defender of the Downtrodden
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:56
PM
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1 - Bill
Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3.
OK so the facts
are:
(1)
Bill
Blake claims to play a chimp in an episode (The Interrogation) of the POTA TV
Series;
(2)
Bill
Blake claims that in some parts of the country “The Interrogation” was
cut;
(3)
Bill
Blake claims it’s showing in Europe now because he got a “residuals
check” for it.
How did we get more
information on this and whatÂ’s the source?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007 3:03
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1 -
Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Friday,
September 28, 2007 12:08 PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1 -
Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Thanks
Jeff.
IÂ’m going to
go search for it to scan but if anyone else here beats me to it (likely!)
IÂ’ll be very
happy.
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Message: 46433 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
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Thanks Tim.
So we can say that Bill getting a residual
proves indefinitely he did partake.
MIchael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
1:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chequing
Theories
One still
gets residuals even if they are not in the final product....
mlccougar@aol. com
wrote:
** It makes NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor
will get paid while the film/show is being produced for the work they did that
day of filming or whatever, BUT, once the show hits the market, they are not
paid residuals if their stuff ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com
writes:
Jeff I think this one
makes more sense!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007
3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet
Cougar's nerds
He might have got the check just for filming the episode,
whether the scene was shown or not.
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From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3. |
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Fact: It ain’t a fact until there’s
evidence.
Michael, finder of the fact
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
3:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3.
Fact: Bill played a scene opposite Lee Delano.
Fact: No, he didn't play a background chimp.
Fact: Bill was just as puzzled as we are. When
he said it might of shown in parts of the country, or in Europe ,
he was just guessing. He was trying to account for his residual check, Exhibit
A (which extras don't get).
Fact: Hopefully, Lee Delano will still have his
copy of the REAL script.
Jeff, Defender of the Downtrodden
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday, September
28, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] POTA
Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3.
OK so the facts are:
(1)
Bill Blake claims to play a chimp in an episode (The Interrogation)
of the POTA TV Series;
(2)
Bill Blake claims that in some parts of the country “The
Interrogation” was cut;
(3) Bill Blake claims it’s showing in Europe
now because he got a “residuals check” for it.
How did we get more information on this and what’s the
source?
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007
3:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007
12:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Thanks Jeff.
I’m going to go search for it to scan but if anyone
else here beats me to it (likely!) I’ll be very happy.
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Message: 46435 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
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Tim
When you get a residual, do you get
something else with it to describe precisely what that residual is for? Or is
it just a check from Fox (or whoever)?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
1:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chequing
Theories
One still
gets residuals even if they are not in the final product....
mlccougar@aol. com
wrote:
** It makes NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor
will get paid while the film/show is being produced for the work they did that
day of filming or whatever, BUT, once the show hits the market, they are not
paid residuals if their stuff ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com
writes:
Jeff I think this one
makes more sense!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007
3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet
Cougar's nerds
He might have got the check just for filming the episode,
whether the scene was shown or not.
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From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
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So Tim,
Does this mean that Bill would STILL be
getting a residual for DVD sales?>
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
3:41 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Chequing
Theories
Tim
When you get a residual, do you get something else with it to
describe precisely what that residual is for? Or is it just a check
from Fox (or whoever)?
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Tim
"apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
1:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chequing
Theories
One still
gets residuals even if they are not in the final product....
mlccougar@aol. com
wrote:
** It makes
NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor will get paid while the
film/show is being produced for the work they did that day of filming or whatever,
BUT, once the show hits the market, they are not paid residuals if their stuff
ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com
writes:
Jeff I think this one makes more sense!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007
3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet
Cougar's nerds
He might have got the check just for filming the episode,
whether the scene was shown or not.
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Message: 46437 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Defender of Chinese Whispers |
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FACT: He didn’t say it “MIGHT”
of….he said “IT WAS CUT”. That’s in black and
white Jeff and there’s evidence of it.
That’s why I want to deal with FACTS
– not CHINESE WHISPERS.
We’re sticking with facts here Jeff
so please don’t hyperspace into your interpretation.
There ain’t no guessing here –
he says in the interview “in some parts of the country
it was cut
”. That’s NOT
a guess
it is a statement. He’s not saying “it might
have been cut” he’s saying it WAS cut.
Are you disagreeing with what was
published in this interview Jeff?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
3:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3.
Fact: Bill played a scene opposite Lee Delano.
Fact: No, he didn't play a background chimp.
Fact: Bill was just as puzzled as we are. When
he said it might of shown in parts of the country, or in Europe ,
he was just guessing. He was trying to account for his residual check, Exhibit
A (which extras don't get).
Fact: Hopefully, Lee Delano will still have his
copy of the REAL script.
Jeff, Defender of the Downtrodden
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday, September
28, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] POTA
Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3.
OK so the facts are:
(1)
Bill Blake claims to play a chimp in an episode (The Interrogation)
of the POTA TV Series;
(2)
Bill Blake claims that in some parts of the country “The
Interrogation” was cut;
(3) Bill Blake claims it’s showing in Europe
now because he got a “residuals check” for it.
How did we get more information on this and what’s the
source?
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007
3:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007
12:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery
#1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Thanks Jeff.
I’m going to go search for it to scan but if anyone
else here beats me to it (likely!) I’ll be very happy.
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Message: 46438 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Where did all these other claims come form? |
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OK – I now have a copy of Simian Scrolls that
states:
“In 1974, he was cast as “Country-Ape”
on the “Planet of the Apes” TV series (“The Interrogation”)
and remains the only actor in the history of Ape-dom to ever be allowed to
sculpt and create his own ape appliance for the role.”
So far we have the Marvel article that says he played
a chimp and that this was cut in some parts of the country.
Now we have that it was “Country-Ape” he
played, and that he sculpted and created his own ape appliance for the role.
Was there a “Country-Ape” in the credits
or in any version of a script of “The Interrogation”?
I was told that ALL the versions and drafts of the
scripts were available on Hunter’s site – is that correct?
And where did all this other stuff some from?
Jeff – is it conversation he has had with you or an article for AC or
something?
Michael
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Message: 46439 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
.htmlI can put an end to this discussion entirely.
I used to be a full time, card-carrying actor, and have appeared in a number of films as a small part, but for one certain film (called SEA OF LOVE, with AL PACINO and JOHN GOODMAN) I was hired to be a fairly large
part of the film. By the time it was released, I was on the editing room floor, and appear in literally three seconds of the final cut, and that's it. Don't even have a spoken line left at the end of
the editing process. (you can look this up
IDBM.com, it's true.) BUT I still get a cheque for it every year. At least five hundred bucks, sometimes more, depending on how often it played on TV that preceding twelve months.
I get paid a royalty based on what my ORIGINAL part was, that's in my contract. It's a clear and important part of our contracts that the work is the work, and the director makes artistic decisions that
shouldn't affect the actor's pocket book.
You get the royalty if you were hired for the work, not if you ended up in the final cut of the movie. Ty the Guy On 9/29/07,
Michael & Sally Whitty
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:
So Tim,
Does this mean that Bill would STILL be
getting a residual for DVD sales?>
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
3:41 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Chequing
Theories
Tim
When you get a residual, do you get something else with it to
describe precisely what that residual is for? Or is it just a check
from Fox (or whoever)?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tim
"apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007
1:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chequing
Theories
One still
gets residuals even if they are not in the final product....
mlccougar@...
wrote:
** It makes
NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor will get paid while the
film/show is being produced for the work they did that day of filming or whatever,
BUT, once the show hits the market, they are not paid residuals if their stuff
ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@bigpond.com
writes:
Jeff I think this one makes more sense!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007
3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet
Cougar's nerds
He might have got the check just for filming the episode,
whether the scene was shown or not.
**************************************
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Message: 46440 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
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Residual checks come with a statement telling what they are for...at least they do now....I have no idea for anything pre 1983.
Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
Tim
When you get a residual, do you get something else with it to describe precisely what that residual is for? Or is it just a check from Fox (or
whoever)?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007 1:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Chequing Theories
One still gets residuals even if they are not in the final product....
mlccougar@aol. com wrote:
** It makes NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor will get paid while the film/show is being produced for the work they did that day of filming or whatever, BUT,
once the show hits the market, they are not paid residuals if their stuff ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
Jeff I think this one makes more sense!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of
Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Meet Cougar's nerds
He might have got the check just for filming the episode, whether the scene was shown or not.
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From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Chequing Theories |
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I still get residuals for a movie called "Fluke" although I never even stepped in front of the camera! I was on set but a small tornado in downtown Atlanta that night prevented my
scene from being filmed.! Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
I can put an end to this discussion entirely.
I used to be a full time, card-carrying actor, and have appeared in a number of films as a small part, but for one certain film (called SEA OF LOVE, with AL PACINO and JOHN GOODMAN) I was hired to be a fairly large
part of the film. By the time it was
released, I was on the editing room floor, and appear in literally three seconds of the final cut, and that's it. Don't even have a spoken line left at the end of the editing process. (you can look
this up IDBM.com, it's true.)
BUT I still get a cheque for it every year. At least five hundred bucks, sometimes more, depending on how often it played on TV that preceding twelve months.
I get paid a royalty based on what my ORIGINAL part was, that's in my contract. It's a clear and important part of our contracts that the work is the work, and the director makes artistic decisions that
shouldn't affect the actor's pocket book.
You get the royalty if you were hired for the work, not if you ended up in the final cut of the movie.
Ty the Guy
On 9/29/07, Michael & Sally Whitty <
sallywhitty@ bigpond.com> wrote:
So Tim,
Does this mean that Bill would STILL be getting a residual for DVD sales?>
Michael
Tim
When you get a residual, do you get something
else with it to describe precisely what that residual is for? Or is it just a check from Fox (or whoever)?
Michael
One still gets residuals even if they are not in the final product....
mlccougar@aol. com
wrote:
** It makes NO SENSE to me... I am pretty sure that an actor will get paid while the film/show is being produced for the work they did that day of filming or whatever, BUT,
once the show hits the market, they are not paid residuals if their stuff ended up on the cutting room floor...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@
bigpond.com writes:
Jeff I think this one makes more sense!
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Message: 46442 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Defender of Chinese Whispers |
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Well, IT WAS CUT so he was right. I
asked Bill about that comment last night and that was his answer, he knew it was
cut but he wasn't sure if it was cut everywhere. Just the facts.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:50
PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Defender of Chinese
Whispers
FACT: He didnÂ’t say
it “MIGHT” of….he said “IT WAS CUT”. That’s in black and white Jeff and
thereÂ’s evidence of it.
ThatÂ’s why I want to
deal with FACTS – not CHINESE WHISPERS.
WeÂ’re sticking with
facts here Jeff so please donÂ’t hyperspace into your
interpretation.
There ainÂ’t no
guessing here – he says in the interview “in some parts of the country
it
was cut”. That’s
NOT a guess
it is a
statement. He’s not saying “it might have been cut” he’s saying it
WAS
cut.
Are you disagreeing
with what was published in this interview Jeff?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2007 3:15
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1 -
Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and 3.
Fact: Bill played a
scene opposite Lee Delano.
Fact: No, he didn't
play a background chimp.
Fact: Bill was just
as puzzled as we are. When he said it might of shown in parts of the country,
or in Europe , he was just guessing. He was trying to account for
his residual check, Exhibit A (which extras don't
get).
Fact: Hopefully, Lee
Delano will still have his copy of the REAL
script.
Jeff, Defender of the Downtrodden
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday,
September 28, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1 - Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1, 2 and
3.
OK so the facts
are:
(1)
Bill Blake claims
to play a chimp in an episode (The Interrogation) of the POTA TV
Series;
(2)
Bill Blake claims
that in some parts of the country “The Interrogation” was
cut;
(3)
Bill Blake claims
it’s showing in Europe now because he got a “residuals
check” for it.
How did we
get more information on this and whatÂ’s the
source?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007 3:03
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1 -
Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact
#1.
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Friday,
September 28, 2007 12:08 PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA Mystery #1
- Bill Blake's Missing Scene. Fact #1.
Thanks
Jeff.
IÂ’m going
to go search for it to scan but if anyone else here beats me to it
(likely!) IÂ’ll be very happy.
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Message: 46443 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
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"Country Ape" is what the character was
called in his scene with Lee Delano. The stuff in "Simian Scolls" is Bill's
take. Yes, he did sculpt his own appliance, and he used that mold to make
appliances for some of his appearances with Paula Crist.
Yes, there was a script with the scene. Bill
had one, Lee Delano still might. Hunter's site only has the drafts he can find.
Doesn't mean he has all of them.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:13
AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
OK – I now have a copy of Simian
Scrolls that states:
“In 1974, he was cast as
“Country-Ape” on the “Planet of the Apes” TV series (“The Interrogation”) and
remains the only actor in the history of Ape-dom to ever be allowed to sculpt
and create his own ape appliance for the role.”
So far we have the Marvel article
that says he played a chimp and that this was cut in some parts of the
country.
Now we have that it was
“Country-Ape” he played, and that he sculpted and created his own ape
appliance for the role.
Was there a “Country-Ape” in the
credits or in any version of a script of “The
Interrogation”?
I was told that ALL the versions
and drafts of the scripts were available on Hunter’s site – is that
correct?
And where did all this other stuff
some from? Jeff – is it conversation he has had with you or an article
for AC or something?
Michael
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Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other Clems come form? |
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Bill is listed in the episode cast in Eric
Greene's book. That means it must be true! Either that or Bill represents the
Vietnamese peasants, who were "edited out" of their villages and put in
government hamlets during the Vietnam War.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 9:18
AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
"Country Ape" is what the character was
called in his scene with Lee Delano. The stuff in "Simian Scolls" is Bill's
take. Yes, he did sculpt his own appliance, and he used that mold to make
appliances for some of his appearances with Paula Crist.
Yes, there was a script with the scene.
Bill had one, Lee Delano still might. Hunter's site only has the drafts he can
find. Doesn't mean he has all of them.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:13
AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
OK – I now have a copy of Simian
Scrolls that states:
“In 1974, he was cast as
“Country-Ape” on the “Planet of the Apes” TV series (“The
Interrogation” ) and remains the only actor in the history of Ape-dom to
ever be allowed to sculpt and create his own ape appliance for the
role.”
So far we have the Marvel
article that says he played a chimp and that this was cut in some parts of
the country.
Now we have that it was
“Country-Ape” he played, and that he sculpted and created his own ape
appliance for the role.
Was there a “Country-Ape” in the
credits or in any version of a script of “The
Interrogation” ?
I was told that ALL the versions
and drafts of the scripts were available on Hunter’s site – is that
correct?
And where did all this other
stuff some from? Jeff – is it conversation he has had with you or an
article for AC or something?
Michael
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Defender of Chinese Whispers |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 12:52:43 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
There ain't no guessing here – he says in the interview "in some parts of the country
it was cut
".
*** Well, if it did air in some parts of the country, then there's no need to go chasing around Europe to find it, not right off anyway... Maybe someone here in the States taped it back in ' 74 where the
scene "did" air...
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Message: 46446 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 5:15:27 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
Was there a "Country-Ape" in the credits or in any version of a script of "The Interrogation"?
No, in the credits for the show, there is not a "Country Ape...
Lee Delano is in the credits for his one time "guest" appearance on APES, but then again, he appears on screen too...
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Message: 46447 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 5:15:27 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
I was told that ALL the versions and drafts of the scripts were available on Hunter's site – is that
correct
*** I believe to the best of everybody's knowledge all known scripts ARE on Hunters sight...
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Message: 46448 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 11:12:01 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
Yes, there was a script with the scene. Bill had one, Lee Delano still might.
*** What about Booth Colman? He is still alive, and he may have his APES scripts?
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Message: 46449 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 12:36:19 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
Bill is listed in the episode cast in Eric Greene's book. That means it must be true!
*** Not neccessarily... I mean if he was talking to Bill while researching the book, and Bill mentioned all of this, Greene might have just added him to the credits...
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Message: 46450 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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So there IS a chance that there are script
versions which have not been found?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2007
7:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did
all these other claims come form?
In a message dated 9/29/2007 5:15:27 AM Central
Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
I was told that ALL the versions and drafts of the scripts
were available on Hunter’s site – is that correct
*** I believe to the best of everybody's knowledge all known scripts ARE on
Hunters sight...
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Message: 46451 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other Clems come form? |
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I think Jeff was being sarcastic Mike….
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2007
7:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did
all these other Clems come form?
In a message dated 9/29/2007 12:36:19 PM Central
Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
Bill is listed in the episode cast in Eric Greene's
book. That means it must be true!
*** Not neccessarily. .. I mean if he was talking to Bill while researching
the book, and Bill mentioned all of this, Greene might have just added him to
the credits...
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Message: 46452 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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No, Booth didn't keep any memorabilia. Ron
Harper had some scripts he was selling at conventions. But it
was (presumably) a last minute addition so it might not be in
everybody's scripts.
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PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
In a message dated
9/29/2007 11:12:01 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
Yes, there
was a script with the scene. Bill had one, Lee Delano still
might.
*** What about Booth Colman? He is still alive, and he may
have his APES
scripts?
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Message: 46453 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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I was joking. Bill used to be Eric's
babysitter. He knew the family because Ma and Bro Greene put on sci-fi
conventions in the '70's.
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PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other Clems come form?
In a message dated
9/29/2007 12:36:19 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
Bill is
listed in the episode cast in Eric Greene's book. That means it must be
true!
*** Not neccessarily. .. I mean if he was
talking to Bill while researching the book, and Bill mentioned all of this,
Greene might have just added him to the
credits...
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Message: 46454 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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Absolutely. Bill had one. Maybe only Bill
and Lee got the pages because it was their scene.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:54
PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
So there IS a chance
that there are script versions which have not been
found?
Michael
In a message dated 9/29/2007
5:15:27 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
I was told that ALL the versions
and drafts of the scripts were available on Hunter’s site – is that
correct
*** I believe to the best of everybody's
knowledge all known scripts ARE on Hunters
sight...
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Message: 46455 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
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I'll try to get in touch with Lee Delano.
Since it was a relatively big part for him, he might have kept some stuff. But
don't worry, Cougar, I won't become his friend.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:37
PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
Absolutely. Bill had one. Maybe only Bill
and Lee got the pages because it was their scene.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:54
PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Where did all
these other claims come form?
So there IS a
chance that there are script versions which have not been
found?
Michael
In a message dated 9/29/2007
5:15:27 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
I was told that ALL the
versions and drafts of the scripts were available on Hunter’s site – is
that correct
*** I believe to the best of everybody's
knowledge all known scripts ARE on Hunters
sight...
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Message: 46456 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 9/29/2007 |
| Subject: Don Post masks |
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Message
"Planet
of the Apes 5 Vintage Don Post masks they are all stamped "All rights reserved
1968 twentieth century fox film corp. a don post mask" they
were purchased in the seventies by a theater to be used in a
play."
Wonder what the
play was?
Neil
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Message: 46457 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: The missing scenes... |
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You always shoot more than you use.
And I have heard of scenes that were used
outside the US. Lizzy Borden springs to
mind. Elizabeth Montgomery shot a nude
scene in which she washed off the blood.
The scene was cut here due to standards
and practices. But in Europe where rules
about what can be aired are more lax it
was left in. The reverse is also true.
Due to commercials, segments are
only 11 minutes. Consequently when
MTV aired the Young Ones some
scenes were cut. But when you
watch them on PBS or the DVDs
you see the scenes that weren't
aired originally in the US.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46458 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: The missing scenes... |
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Shut up Neil you smelly hippy!
You’re BORING!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2007
3:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] The missing
scenes...
You always shoot more than you use.
And I have heard of scenes that were used
outside the
US . Lizzy Borden springs to
mind. Elizabeth Montgomery shot a
nude
scene in which she washed off the blood.
The scene was cut here due to standards
and practices. But in
Europe where rules
about what can be aired are more lax it
was left in. The reverse is also
true.
Due to commercials, segments are
only 11 minutes. Consequently
when
MTV aired the Young Ones some
scenes were cut. But when you
watch them on PBS or the DVDs
you see the scenes that weren't
aired originally in the
US .
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Message: 46459 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cougar's needs |
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In a message dated 9/25/2007 6:52:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
darios@... writes:
If the
UK 1/2 hour shows were
running say 25 'show' minutes and the US was showing
24, then the UK
version of the same show would have 1 minute of extra
footage.
Actually more.
The standard is 22 minutes,
that plus the 6 mins. of national
ads and the 2 mins. of local ads
make up each half hour block.
However, the half hour is split
into to halves as well. So that
means 11 mins. of prog. 3 mins.
of national ads and 1 min. local
making up the 15 min segment.
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Message: 46460 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cougar's needs |
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In a message dated 9/25/2007 7:12:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:
Anyway,
"The Interrogation" certainly is an episode that has more running than
needed...
The shooting ratio on a Hollywood flick is 5 to 1.
However on a TV show it's probably more like 3 to 1
especially one where a lot of the budget is eaten up by
special effects makeup, so you have to tighten up some
where. But you still have to shoot the master shot, the
two shots, the close-ups, cutaways, reaction shots etc . . .
Even after umpteen takes from all angles if a scene
doesn't really work or slows down the pacing or
doesn't add to the story you're going to loose it
in editing. If you've ever watched the deleted
scenes on a DVD you can see those scenes
were deleted for a reason . . .because they sucked.
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Message: 46461 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cougar's needs |
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In a message dated 9/27/2007 2:34:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ntfoster@... writes:
-- That's what I thought
too. Wasn't it 'replaced' with the Roddy hamming it up as a woman
scene?
I think we all know why he prefered that
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Message: 46462 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Where did all these other claims come form? |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 5:15:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sallywhitty@... writes:
"In 1974, he was cast as
"Country-Ape" on the "Planet of the Apes" TV series
He's not listed in the IMDB.
Paula is listed as STUNTS.
Perhaps she doubled Fauna.
If you didn't rate above 2nd Gorilla
you're on the cutting room floor.
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Message: 46463 |
From: Neil |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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.html-- I haven't found anything that confirms or denies it but I happen to
be re-reading parts of Planet of the Apes revisited by Russo and
Landsman at the moment and I just came accross this little bit from J
Lee Thompson regarding cutting Battle:
"...in the editing room we continued that struggle - juggle some
scenes, cut some others too ruthlessly. Then we found we had a short
film and I think we started to build up the beginning by going over
other thoughts."
Now surely if they already had a "short film" that they were adding
stuff to at the start to make it longer, why would they then cut more
scenes to make it fit cinema showing times? Doesn't make a lot of
sense to me.
Neil
- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>I hope you are being sarcastic Cougar because James saying this is
one of the more absurd things he has said and has far less basis in
fact that what Jeff is saying!
> Michael
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2007 4:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] How did BATTLE happen?
> Nope, the Japanese got the same version we got... the one that was
clipped down in editing just so they could squeeze another showing out
of it... Well, at least that's the theory as to why that film was
cut... (See James ar the pota group for pinpoint accuracy on this...) |
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Message: 46464 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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He's not listed because the scene was cut.
Everybody follows the same lists. They only remember a Kevin Costner was cut out
of "The Big Chill" because everybody talks about that.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:00
PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
"In 1974, he was cast as
"Country-Ape" on the "Planet of the Apes" TV series
He's not listed in the IMDB.
Paula is listed as STUNTS.
Perhaps she doubled Fauna.
If you didn't rate above 2nd Gorilla
you're on the cutting room floor.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46465 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: How did BATTLE happen? |
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Arthur Jacobs said somewhere he cut out that
stuff because he thought the circular timeline (though he didn't call it that)
was too downbeat. He thought the shorter "Battle" was more hopeful.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:55
AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did BATTLE
happen?
-- I haven't found anything that confirms or denies it but I happen
to
be re-reading parts of Planet of the Apes revisited by Russo
and
Landsman at the moment and I just came accross this little bit from
J
Lee Thompson regarding cutting Battle:
"...in the editing room we
continued that struggle - juggle some
scenes, cut some others too
ruthlessly. Then we found we had a short
film and I think we started to
build up the beginning by going over
other thoughts."
Now surely if
they already had a "short film" that they were adding
stuff to at the start
to make it longer, why would they then cut more
scenes to make it fit
cinema showing times? Doesn't make a lot of
sense to
me.
Neil
- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
"Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
>I
hope you are being sarcastic Cougar because James saying this is
one of the
more absurd things he has said and has far less basis in
fact that what
Jeff is saying!
> Michael
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
On
Behalf Of
> mlccougar@.. .
> Sent: Thursday, 27
September 2007 4:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] How did BATTLE happen?
> Nope, the Japanese got
the same version we got... the one that was
clipped down in editing just so
they could squeeze another showing out
of it... Well, at least that's the
theory as to why that film was
cut... (See James ar the pota group for
pinpoint accuracy on this...)
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46466 |
From: Graham Hill |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Home page pic' |
.htmlWhere's this one from Neil ?
Best wishes Graham. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46467 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: movie lines |
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A friend of mine gave me this for my birthday.....it's a set of those fridge magnets but instead of poetry , it's famous quotes from movies that you can mix up......the "damned
dirty ape" line is included....fun cover too! Tim
Be a better Heartthrob.
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Message: 46468 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: movie lines |
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I like that Tim!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2007 8:24
AM
To: POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] movie lines
A friend
of mine gave me this for my birthday.... .it's a set of those fridge
magnets but instead of poetry , it's famous quotes from movies that you can mix
up......the "damned dirty ape" line is included.... fun cover
too!
Tim
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Message: 46469 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/29/2007 4:56:09 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
So there IS a chance that there are script versions which have not been found?
*** I'm no expert in this or anything for that matter, but I would guess that any other scripts that may be out there would be "first drafts" or that type of thing...
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Message: 46470 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/30/2007 1:01:10 AM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:
Paula is listed as STUNTS.
*** I looked at that myself the other night and seen Paula listed... I wondered who she might have doubled... Maybe Ann, Galen's mother, but I can't see her doubling Wanda, as Wanda wasn't in any
"action shots"...
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Message: 46471 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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According to Bill, Paula was no where near
the "Apes" TV show set. Imdb also lists her as "stunts" in "Conquest" and
"Battle", which is also wrong (for starters). She didn't even arrive in
California until 1973, after "Conquest" was history. For $25 anyone can put
their credits in, and the standards are very lax.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:30
PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did all these
other claims come form?
In a message dated
9/30/2007 1:01:10 AM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:
Paula is
listed as STUNTS.
*** I looked at that myself the other
night and seen Paula listed... I wondered who she might have doubled... Maybe
Ann, Galen's mother, but I can't see her doubling Wanda, as Wanda wasn't in
any "action
shots"...
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Message: 46472 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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Cougar,
Contact me privately please. Thanks.
Jeff
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Message: 46473 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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And if you do so in person then protect
your teeth! J
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2007 1:45
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Paging Cougar
Contact me privately please. Thanks. Jeff
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Message: 46474 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
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In a message dated 9/30/2007 10:47:58 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
And if you do so in person then protect your teeth!
J
*** I've just contacted him... Civilly I might add... I am thru with the "fighting" end of it all...
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Message: 46475 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/30/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 46476 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Meet Cornelius' Response |
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Hi there,
As you know, there's been some
"dissec-dissec-dissec" dissection of Bill Blake's claim that he and Lee Delano
did a scene together in the "Interrogation" episode of POTA that wound up
(apparently) on the cutting room floor. The most vocal rebel was Mike Cougar,
who basically said Bill made it up. Last night Bill offered to talk to Cougar
privately about the topic and clear things up (since Cougar also charged I keep
these folks away for my own glory). Anyway, it didn't happen because both men
want to keep their privacy. So, after thinking about it, here is Bill's take on
the situation. Jeff
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/Rumor-Monger
Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE
ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE** HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for
it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I
don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's
destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly'
in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and
never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think
he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position' here...
And, I'm the one who has to
worry about the
'harassment'/'stalking'/fraud-thing - with very good reason
- as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who
this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've
heard he's been
inciting within the group...
However, you DO have my
permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY
LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In
fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH
(e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR
PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter
note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new
film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of
"M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my "Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie
("Life Liberty and Pursuit..."), or the
Syndication Print of the "Return..."
"Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
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Message: 46477 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
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Hi again,
Bill wanted me to include my e-mail to him
that led up to his reply, as context. Toodles!
Jeff
Greetings
Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as
follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE** HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give
a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to
BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in
the 'Celebrity-position' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment'/'stalking'/fraud-thing - with very good reason - as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's
been
inciting within the group...
However, you DO have my permission
to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD
OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I
INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail
body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE
BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note:
I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new film
equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H",
"Hello Dolly", perhaps, my "Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life
Liberty and Pursuit..."), or the
Syndication Print of the "Return..."
"Mission of Mercy" episode.
Best,
Bill
>From:
"Jeff K." <veetus@...>
>Subject: Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30
Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I contacted the guy and he said he
didn't want to give out his phone #
>because somebody has been harassing
him (he also admitted he was giving me
>a hard time because of
frustration over that). He (kinda) apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail
would work if that's alright with you. Or I
>suggested a substitute
call.
> I dunno. Let me know if you can do this by
e-mail. Jeff
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From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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So he didn’t take the opportunity to
answer any questions – just went into a spiel of rage that anyone asked
these questions?
Is Bill offering some evidence that he’s
going to give to Cougar or is he just going to tell him he’s an asshole
because he wants evidence?
Really Jeff – I don’t even
know what Bill’s claiming yet.
When we look at the facts all we get is
that Bill got a residual. Now if that’s the case then, as Ty and
Tim confirmed it certainly proves a scene was filmed by Bill. It could
even have a letter with it saying “this is a residual for POTA episode THE
INTERROGATION”.
He has not answered why he claimed in the Curtis
(Marvel) Magazine interview that “… in some parts of the country
that was cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what parts of the country
it WASN’T cut, and also what made him say that. It’s a
strange thing to say. If he didn’t know that is was shown in some
parts of the country he would say “the scene was cut”.
He also seems to be saying that there was
something with the residual that stated it was for showings in
Europe , otherwise how would he know the residual is for
European showings? He’d have just assumed it was for the
US showings in the parts of the
US it showed
in.
The things he is saying do need explaining
Jeff.
You can believe him coz he’s a nice
guy if you want, but you are not being even mildly subjective about this.
You should really ask yourself this:
“If Bill is hiding something –
how would he react?”
The answer is:
(1)
he would explain things meticulously, but offer proof for nothing;
(2)
he would get angry at people who question him and try to make them
feel bad about asking questions;
(3)
he would use his celebrity status as something that makes him more
believable than others.
Something’s not right here
Jeff. I am not calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling that I need some
evidence to prove he’s NOT a liar.
Jeez – he even tells us that Paula
never did this and never did that – so why would he react to people
suggesting the same about him? Weird. You’d think he’d
say “well, with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can understand
why people are confused about mine….” And then go on to calmly
explain things.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill wanted me to include my e-mail to him that led
up to his reply, as context. Toodles!
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason - as YOU
are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's
been
inciting within the group...
However, you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my
"Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and Pursuit...") , or
the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff K." < style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject: Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone
#
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda) apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno. Let me know if you can do this by e-mail. Jeff
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Message: 46479 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: So what is the frigging scene then? |
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So what is the scene Bill played?
Is it the one that was then replaced with Roddy in
drag?
And where did this become revealed?
Michael
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Message: 46480 |
From: David Jackson |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: hello |
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.html hi Im new to the group and wanted to introduce myself
Im david and been a planet of the apes fan since I was a kid and
watched the movies on tv with my dad
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46481 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: hello |
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Hi David.
Welcome to the group.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of David Jackson
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 5:29
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] hello
hi Im new to the group and wanted to introduce myself
Im david and been a planet of the apes fan since I was a kid and
watched the movies on tv with my dad
looking forward to talking with fellow fans about the apes
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Message: 46482 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: hello |
.htmlWelcome David! Tim David Jackson <Yoda_75@...> wrote:
hi Im new to the group and wanted to introduce myself
Im david and been a planet of the apes fan since I was a kid and
watched the movies on tv with my dad
looking forward to talking with fellow fans about the apes
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46483 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cornelius' Response |
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-- So he
didn't provide any proof that the scene happened then?
Neil
Hi there,
As you know, there's been some
"dissec-dissec- dissec" dissection of Bill Blake's claim that he and Lee
Delano did a scene together in the "Interrogation" episode of POTA that wound
up (apparently) on the cutting room floor. The most vocal rebel was Mike
Cougar, who basically said Bill made it up. Last night Bill offered to talk to
Cougar privately about the topic and clear things up (since Cougar also
charged I keep these folks away for my own glory). Anyway, it didn't happen
because both men want to keep their privacy. So, after thinking about it, here
is Bill's take on the situation. Jeff
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The
Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be
done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING
behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been
spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY
he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and
MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum!
- You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to
go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the
'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about
the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason
- as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea
who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what
I've heard he's been
inciting within the group...
However,
you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND
VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group
for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE
TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY,
BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a
somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go
through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my "Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and Pursuit...") , or the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
.
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Message: 46484 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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-- Jeez these days you can't criticise
Scrolls, other groups, that crappy
(in my opinion) audio thing and now Bill Blake. What next? Is there anything we
are allowed to discuss or dispute
anymore?
Neil
So he didn’t take the
opportunity to answer any questions – just went into a spiel of rage that
anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill offering some
evidence that he’s going to give to Cougar or is he just going to tell him
he’s an asshole because he wants evidence?
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46485 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Meet Cornelius' Response |
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In a message dated 10/1/2007 1:31:43 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE** HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
*** This was covered in an e-mail to Jeff before this was posted.
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
*** Other than saying I thought the story was a lie (and that I thought he was lying by saying it), I don't recall any of the "untrue crap" he's referring to? I gave examples of things that are true
and reasons as to why I don't think the story holds water. If saying that there's no physical evidence to support the claim, then I guess I did spew "untrue, unfounded, crap." What's wrong with
dissecting the evidence that there is? Saying that there's no scripted evidence & no photographic evidence is "destructive" to him? I don't buy it, unless what has been discussed does indeed have
some validity to it? (Not saying it does or doesn't, simply questioning it here.)
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment'/'stalking'/fraud-thing - with very good reason - as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's been
inciting within the group...
*** That's a bit out of line... Does he not think that there are others out there who have to worry about harrassment? Truthfully, outside the small pocket of APES fans, and maybe LOGAN'S RUN followers, I
highly doubt that he is a "known name"/"personality".... My guess is that he can safely walk around the streets of Hollywood and nobody would know who he is, unless of course he's decked out as
Cornelius.
He asked what my intentions are: As they were from the start, to get to the bottom of this alleged scene. I've heard about it for years now from Krueger and in those years, there has yet to be a shred of solid
evidence supporting it. Is it wrong to want to see the proof if there is any? And I would like to know, what have I incited in the group? If having others doubt the existence of the scene is what I incited, then
maybe I am guity of inciting that. BUT, the truth of the matter is that the others who have started to voice some doubt came to their decision(s) on their own. I have no power over anybody's thought on this subject.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46486 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: That crappy audion thing... |
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At least
Broken Seas
is trying to keep apes alive….as is Simian Scrolls…..but one should
feel free to question things!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 8:53
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
-- Jeez these days you can't criticise Scrolls, other
groups, that crappy (in my opinion) audio thing and now Bill Blake. What next?
Is there anything we are allowed to discuss or dispute anymore?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007
8:29 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Why be outraged
by a few questions?
So he didn’t take the opportunity to answer any questions
– just went into a spiel of rage that anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill offering some evidence that he’s going to give
to Cougar or is he just going to tell him he’s an asshole because he
wants evidence?
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Message: 46487 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
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In a message dated 10/1/2007 5:31:44 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
Is it the one that was then replaced with Roddy in drag?
*** That was in the script Whitty, but in the script, it was a human cart driver being questioned by the gorillas, not Roddy as the female farmer chimp.
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Message: 46488 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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In a message dated 10/1/2007 5:54:55 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:
What next? Is there anything we are allowed to discuss or dispute anymore?
*** Apparently not.
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Message: 46489 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
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-- Just because
Scrolls is the only (semi) regular Apes magazine still coming out doesn't mean
it is 'keeping Apes alive' same with the BS thing, with that it's more like
pushing the knife in deeper.
Neil
At least
Broken Seas is trying to keep apes alive….as
is Simian Scrolls…..but one should feel free to question things!
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46490 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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Well, he has been answering questions,
through me. There is no "evidence", as we established. Right now all there is is
Bill's word. You don't have to believe him, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
No one wants the evidence more than Bill. I've been trying to track down Lee
Delano (Booth doesn't know him) to see what he has. Lee is selling the picture
Bill took during the scene at his website ( www.leedelano.com ) for $25. Bill's
frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's accusations.
I guess if he talked to Cougar he would've
answered what questions he could. Bill is an encyclopedia of those times. His
memory is incredible.
Like I said, the stuff he said in Marvel is
because he didn't know what was going on. He assumed if he got a residual that
meant it was shown somewhere. But now we've established that's not necessarily
the case. The next time I see him I will take a gander at his DVD residual stub.
If you don't want to believe me that's fine, I've only been in this group
forever.
He mentioned the Paula stuff to show you
can't believe everything in the imdb either. Again, you don't have to believe
him on that either. His position is, believe him or not. He doesn't "owe"
anybody proof.
As far as calmly explaining things, that was
my advice but he said the "tone" he used was appropriate given the things that
were said about him, and the piranha aspect of the internet.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:28
PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Why be outraged by a
few questions?
So he didnÂ’t take the
opportunity to answer any questions – just went into a spiel of rage that
anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill offering some
evidence that heÂ’s going to give to Cougar or is he just going to tell him
heÂ’s an asshole because he wants evidence?
Really Jeff – I don’t
even know what BillÂ’s claiming yet.
When we look at the
facts all we get is that Bill got a residual. Now if thatÂ’s the case
then, as Ty and Tim confirmed it certainly proves a scene was filmed by
Bill. It could even have a letter with it saying “this is a residual for
POTA episode THE INTERROGATION”.
He has not answered
why he claimed in the Curtis (Marvel) Magazine interview that “… in some parts
of the country that was cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what parts of the
country it WASNÂ’T cut, and also what made him say that. ItÂ’s a strange
thing to say. If he didnÂ’t know that is was shown in some parts of the
country he would say “the scene was cut”.
He also seems to be
saying that there was something with the residual that stated it was for
showings in Europe , otherwise how would he know the residual is for
European showings? HeÂ’d have just assumed it was for the US
showings in the parts of the US it showed
in.
The things he is
saying do need explaining Jeff.
You can believe him
coz heÂ’s a nice guy if you want, but you are not being even mildly subjective
about this.
You should really ask
yourself this:
“If Bill is hiding
something – how would he react?”
The answer
is:
(1)
he would
explain things meticulously, but offer proof for
nothing;
(2)
he would
get angry at people who question him and try to make them feel bad about
asking questions;
(3)
he would
use his celebrity status as something that makes him more believable than
others.
SomethingÂ’s not right
here Jeff. I am not calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling that I need
some evidence to prove heÂ’s NOT a liar.
Jeez – he even tells
us that Paula never did this and never did that – so why would he react to
people suggesting the same about him? Weird. YouÂ’d think heÂ’d say
“well, with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can understand why
people are confused about mine….” And then go on to calmly explain
things.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill wanted me to include
my e-mail to him that led up to his reply, as context.
Toodles!
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The
Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be
done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING
behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been
spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY
he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and
MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum!
- You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to
go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the
'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about
the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason
- as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea
who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what
I've heard he's been
inciting within the group...
However,
you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND
VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group
for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE
TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY,
BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a
somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go
through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my "Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and Pursuit...") , or the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff K."
<
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject:
Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I
contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone #
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was
giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda)
apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with
you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno.
Let me know if you can do this by e-mail. Jeff
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Message: 46491 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audio thing... |
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Well, "Simian Scrolls" is interviewing Paula
Crist, so that'll have her side.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:09
PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] That crappy audion
thing...
-- Just because
Scrolls is the only (semi) regular Apes magazine still coming out doesn't mean
it is 'keeping Apes alive' same with the BS thing, with that it's more like
pushing the knife in deeper.
Neil
At least
Broken Seas is trying to keep apes
aliveÂ….as is Simian ScrollsÂ…..but one should feel free to question
things!
.
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Message: 46492 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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In a message dated 10/1/2007 5:30:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sallywhitty@... writes:
Jeez – he even tells
us that Paula never did this and never did that – so why would he react to
people suggesting the same about him?
Weird.
I can't see what cougar or Bill are so head-up about.
Why does Cougar even care if Bill is telling the truth?
And why does Bill care that someone might question it?
I can't see what the big deal even is. Does it even
matter?
Bill is about as much a celebrity as the lead singer of the
Butthole Surfers, which to people who don't listen to Punk
Rock is not at all. There are higher rated hasbeens than
Bill will ever be. Paula has a longer resume than any of the
4 Bill Blakes on the IMDB, if it's genuine. Not sure why Bill
would question Paula's legacy, but as far as defending a legacy
goes, I guess defend what there is of it, but it just brings you
down to Cougar's level. You shouldn't even acknowledge his
attacks. You know if you shot the scene, and that's all that
matters. And why Cougar cares if there's is or isn't a "lost
scene" is beyond me. As another Bill once said, "It's a
television show people! Get a life!" If I'm adding my two
cants worth to this little flame war I must be bored.
T, King of the Neverwasits . . . so why listen to me.
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OK – I know why he’s so angry
now.
I just spoke to Bill on the phone (for an
hour!).
Neil will understand how he feels –
it’s like all he has done for POTA over the years is not appreciated and
some of it has even been robbed from him (figuratively and literally).
I do believe him.
Other than Lee, Bill suggested we try to
locate the director Alf Cageallan
(spelling?), Ron Harper and James Naughton and ask them all if they have the evidentiary
scripts.
He also explained his
health isn’t perfect and that’s much related to the chemicals he
was exposed to, so as you can imagine this is something else that might make
one a little bitter!
He also confirmed what I
suggested to Neil a few days back – that Fox gave him the part to legitimise
his connection with POTA and that works for Fox too!
Agreed – his memory
IS incredible Jeff, and he certainly is a very interesting chap!
Bill now thinks that he
was wrong and that the scene was NEVER shown.
He spoke very highly of
you too Jeff.
What I think we all need
to do now is get this back to being positive.
Jeff, Mike – can we
please get on a positive track and expend our energy trying to give evidence to
SUPPORT Bill? One thing I will say is that he’s done heaps for apes
and he deserves all the niceness this world can give him.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:41
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
Well, he has been answering
questions, through me. There is no "evidence", as we established.
Right now all there is is Bill's word. You don't have to believe him, but that
doesn't mean it's not true. No one wants the evidence more than Bill. I've been
trying to track down Lee Delano (Booth doesn't know him) to see what he has.
Lee is selling the picture Bill took during the scene at his website ( www.leedelano. com ) for $25.
Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's accusations.
I guess if he talked to Cougar he
would've answered what questions he could. Bill is an encyclopedia of those
times. His memory is incredible.
Like I said, the stuff he said in
Marvel is because he didn't know what was going on. He assumed if he got a
residual that meant it was shown somewhere. But now we've established that's
not necessarily the case. The next time I see him I will take a gander at his
DVD residual stub. If you don't want to believe me that's fine, I've only been
in this group forever.
He mentioned the Paula stuff to
show you can't believe everything in the imdb either. Again, you don't have to
believe him on that either. His position is, believe him or not. He doesn't
"owe" anybody proof.
As far as calmly explaining things,
that was my advice but he said the "tone" he used was appropriate
given the things that were said about him, and the piranha aspect of the
internet. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, October 01, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Why be outraged by a few questions?
So he didn’t take the opportunity to answer any questions
– just went into a spiel of rage that anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill offering some evidence that he’s going to give
to Cougar or is he just going to tell him he’s an asshole because he
wants evidence?
Really Jeff – I don’t even know what
Bill’s claiming yet.
When we look at the facts all we get is that Bill got a
residual. Now if that’s the case then, as Ty and Tim confirmed it
certainly proves a scene was filmed by Bill. It could even have a letter
with it saying “this is a residual for POTA episode THE INTERROGATION” .
He has not answered why he claimed in the Curtis (Marvel)
Magazine interview that “… in some parts of the country that was
cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what parts of the country it
WASN’T cut, and also what made him say that. It’s a strange
thing to say. If he didn’t know that is was shown in some parts of
the country he would say “the scene was cut”.
He also seems to be saying that there was something with the
residual that stated it was for showings in Europe ,
otherwise how would he know the residual is for European showings?
He’d have just assumed it was for the US
showings in the parts of the
US it showed in.
The things he is saying do need explaining Jeff.
You can believe him coz he’s a nice guy if you want,
but you are not being even mildly subjective about this.
You should really ask yourself this:
“If Bill is hiding something – how would he
react?”
The answer is:
(1)
he would explain things meticulously, but offer proof for nothing;
(2)
he would get angry at people who question him and try to make them
feel bad about asking questions;
(3)
he would use his celebrity status as something that makes him more
believable than others.
Something’s not right here Jeff. I am not
calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling that I need some evidence to prove
he’s NOT a liar.
Jeez – he even tells us that Paula never did this and
never did that – so why would he react to people suggesting the same
about him? Weird. You’d think he’d say “well,
with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can understand why people are confused
about mine….” And then go on to calmly explain things.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill wanted me to include my e-mail to him that led
up to his reply, as context. Toodles!
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason - as YOU
are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's
been
inciting within the group...
However, you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my
"Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and Pursuit...") , or
the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff K." <
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject: Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone
#
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda) apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno. Let me know if you can do this by e-mail. Jeff
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Date: 10/1/2007 |
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OK – Bill told me his scene came
directly before the RODDY IN DRAG scene where
Delano asks him about the cart. It’s
about a 30 second scene.
He told me the exact words and that he was
asked to deliver HIS line in a deep voice so nobody confused him with Roddy.
He also said they had to modify the hairline
so (again) he would not be confused with Roddy.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:03
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] So what is
the frigging scene then?
In a message dated 10/1/2007 5:31:44 PM Central
Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
Is it the one that was then replaced with Roddy in drag?
*** That was in the script Whitty, but in the script, it was a human cart
driver being questioned by the gorillas, not Roddy as the female farmer chimp.
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From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
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OK forget the crappy audio thing! I
WISH I COULD! J
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:09
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] That crappy
audion thing...
-- Just because Scrolls is the only (semi) regular Apes
magazine still coming out doesn't mean it is 'keeping Apes alive' same with the
BS thing, with that it's more like pushing the knife in deeper.
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007
8:59 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] That crappy
audion thing...
At least Broken
Seas is
trying to keep apes alive….as is Simian Scrolls…..but one should
feel free to question things!
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Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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In a message dated 10/1/2007 6:32:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:
Again, you don't have to believe him on that
either. His position is, believe him or not. He doesn't "owe" anybody
proof.
My point exactly.
As far as calmly explaining things, that
was my advice but he said the "tone" he used was appropriate given the things
that were said about him
Me thinks he doth protest too much.
A drummer of mine once got too big for his boots.
He tried to brush off what he thought was a fan asking
for an autograph. Turns out the valet was just trying to tell
him he couldn't park his car there. That pretty much says it
all.
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
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You've been too much with humans. You lie
like they do!
Good detective work, Mr. Whitty!
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:22
PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Let's be
positive....
OK – I know why he’s
so angry now.
I just spoke to Bill
on the phone (for an hour!).
Neil will understand
how he feels – it’s like all he has done for POTA over the years is not
appreciated and some of it has even been robbed from him (figuratively and
literally).
I do believe
him.
Other than Lee, Bill
suggested we try to locate the director Alf Cageallan
(spelling?), Ron Harper and James Naughton and ask them all if they have the
evidentiary scripts.
He also explained his
health isnÂ’t perfect and thatÂ’s much related to the chemicals he was exposed
to, so as you can imagine this is something else that might make one a little
bitter!
He also confirmed
what I suggested to Neil a few days back – that Fox gave him the part to
legitimise his connection with POTA and that works for Fox
too!
Agreed – his memory
IS incredible Jeff, and he certainly is a very interesting
chap!
Bill now thinks that
he was wrong and that the scene was NEVER shown.
He spoke very highly
of you too Jeff.
What I think we all
need to do now is get this back to being positive.
Jeff, Mike – can we
please get on a positive track and expend our energy trying to give evidence
to SUPPORT Bill? One thing I will say is that heÂ’s done heaps for apes
and he deserves all the niceness this world can give
him.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:41
AM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Why be outraged by
a few questions?
Well, he has
been answering questions, through me. There is no "evidence", as we
established. Right now all there is is Bill's word. You don't have to believe
him, but that doesn't mean it's not true. No one wants the evidence more than
Bill. I've been trying to track down Lee Delano (Booth doesn't know him) to
see what he has. Lee is selling the picture Bill took during the scene at his
website ( www.leedelano. com
) for $25. Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's
accusations.
I guess if he
talked to Cougar he would've answered what questions he could. Bill is an
encyclopedia of those times. His memory is incredible.
Like I said,
the stuff he said in Marvel is because he didn't know what was going on. He
assumed if he got a residual that meant it was shown somewhere. But now we've
established that's not necessarily the case. The next time I see him I will
take a gander at his DVD residual stub. If you don't want to believe me that's
fine, I've only been in this group forever.
He mentioned
the Paula stuff to show you can't believe everything in the imdb either.
Again, you don't have to believe him on that either. His position is, believe
him or not. He doesn't "owe" anybody proof.
As far as
calmly explaining things, that was my advice but he said the "tone" he used
was appropriate given the things that were said about him, and the
piranha aspect of the internet. Jeff
----- Original
Message -----
Sent:
Monday, October
01, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
So he didnÂ’t take
the opportunity to answer any questions – just went into a spiel of rage
that anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill
offering some evidence that heÂ’s going to give to Cougar or is he just going
to tell him heÂ’s an asshole because he wants
evidence?
Really Jeff
– I don’t even know what Bill’s claiming yet.
When we look
at the facts all we get is that Bill got a residual. Now if thatÂ’s the
case then, as Ty and Tim confirmed it certainly proves a scene was filmed by
Bill. It could even have a letter with it saying “this is a residual
for POTA episode THE INTERROGATION” .
He has not
answered why he claimed in the Curtis (Marvel) Magazine interview that “… in
some parts of the country that was cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what
parts of the country it WASNÂ’T cut, and also what made him say that.
ItÂ’s a strange thing to say. If he didnÂ’t know that is was shown in
some parts of the country he would say “the scene was
cut”.
He also
seems to be saying that there was something with the residual that stated it
was for showings in Europe , otherwise how would he
know the residual is for European showings? HeÂ’d have just assumed it
was for the US showings in the parts of the
US it showed
in.
The things
he is saying do need explaining Jeff.
You can
believe him coz heÂ’s a nice guy if you want, but you are not being even
mildly subjective about this.
You should
really ask yourself this:
“If Bill is
hiding something – how would he react?”
The answer
is:
(1)
he would explain
things meticulously, but offer proof for nothing;
(2)
he would get angry
at people who question him and try to make them feel bad about asking
questions;
(3)
he would use his
celebrity status as something that makes him more believable than
others.
SomethingÂ’s
not right here Jeff. I am not calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling
that I need some evidence to prove heÂ’s NOT a
liar.
Jeez – he
even tells us that Paula never did this and never did that – so why would he
react to people suggesting the same about him? Weird. YouÂ’d
think he’d say “well, with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can
understand why people are confused about mine….” And then go on to calmly
explain things.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill
wanted me to include my e-mail to him that led up to his reply, as context.
Toodles!
Greetings Jeff:
My reply
to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for
it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me
(I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and
it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around
'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads
on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who
the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason -
as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea
who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what
I've heard he's been
inciting within the group...
However,
you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED
AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your
group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
--
ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC
CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your
next visit - We can
go through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors,
etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps,
my "Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and
Pursuit...") , or the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission
of Mercy" episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff
K." <
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject: Hey
Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I
contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone #
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was
giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda)
apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with
you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno.
Let me know if you can do this by e-mail.
Jeff
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From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/1/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
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I smell like humans too Jeff! J
I have lied too – and justified this
because I felt it was for the greater good of POTA.
Well – SORTA lied….I was not
completely honest.
That was when I got permission from the receptionist
at Fox Australia to set up an OFFICIAL international POTA Fan Club.
So yeah – I could legitimately say I
got permission from Fox, I did! But I knew she was not the person at Fox I
needed permission from!
People have a right to ask questions, even
when it catches me in a lie.
At least I’m honest about my
dishonesty! J
Michael the dishonest
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 2:28
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Let's be
positive....
You've been too much with humans. You lie like they
do!
Good detective work, Mr. Whitty! Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, October
01, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Let's be
positive....
OK – I know why he’s so angry now.
I just spoke to Bill on the phone (for an hour!).
Neil will understand how he feels – it’s like
all he has done for POTA over the years is not appreciated and some of it has
even been robbed from him (figuratively and literally).
I do believe him.
Other than Lee, Bill suggested we try to locate the director
Alf Cageallan
(spelling?), Ron Harper and James Naughton and ask them all if they have the
evidentiary scripts.
He also explained his health isn’t
perfect and that’s much related to the chemicals he was exposed to, so as
you can imagine this is something else that might make one a little bitter!
He also confirmed what I suggested to Neil
a few days back – that Fox gave him the part to legitimise his connection
with POTA and that works for Fox too!
Agreed – his memory IS incredible
Jeff, and he certainly is a very interesting chap!
Bill now thinks that he was wrong and that
the scene was NEVER shown.
He spoke very highly of you too Jeff.
What I think we all need to do now is get
this back to being positive.
Jeff, Mike – can we please get on a
positive track and expend our energy trying to give evidence to SUPPORT
Bill? One thing I will say is that he’s done heaps for apes and he
deserves all the niceness this world can give him.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:41
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
Well, he has been answering questions, through me. There is
no "evidence", as we established. Right now all there is is Bill's
word. You don't have to believe him, but that doesn't mean it's not true. No
one wants the evidence more than Bill. I've been trying to track down Lee
Delano (Booth doesn't know him) to see what he has. Lee is selling the picture
Bill took during the scene at his website ( www.leedelano. com
) for $25. Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's
accusations.
I guess if he talked to Cougar he would've answered what
questions he could. Bill is an encyclopedia of those times. His memory is
incredible.
Like I said, the stuff he said in Marvel is because he
didn't know what was going on. He assumed if he got a residual that meant it
was shown somewhere. But now we've established that's not necessarily the case.
The next time I see him I will take a gander at his DVD residual stub. If you
don't want to believe me that's fine, I've only been in this group forever.
He mentioned the Paula stuff to show you can't believe
everything in the imdb either. Again, you don't have to believe him on that
either. His position is, believe him or not. He doesn't "owe" anybody
proof.
As far as calmly explaining things, that was my advice but
he said the "tone" he used was appropriate given the things that were
said about him, and the piranha aspect of the internet. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday,
October 01, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Why be outraged by a few questions?
So he didn’t take the opportunity to answer any questions
– just went into a spiel of rage that anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill offering some evidence that he’s going to give
to Cougar or is he just going to tell him he’s an asshole because he
wants evidence?
Really Jeff – I don’t even know what
Bill’s claiming yet.
When we look at the facts all we get is that Bill got a
residual. Now if that’s the case then, as Ty and Tim confirmed it
certainly proves a scene was filmed by Bill. It could even have a letter
with it saying “this is a residual for POTA episode THE INTERROGATION” .
He has not answered why he claimed in the Curtis (Marvel)
Magazine interview that “… in some parts of the country that was
cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what parts of the country it
WASN’T cut, and also what made him say that. It’s a strange
thing to say. If he didn’t know that is was shown in some parts of
the country he would say “the scene was cut”.
He also seems to be saying that there was something with the
residual that stated it was for showings in Europe ,
otherwise how would he know the residual is for European showings?
He’d have just assumed it was for the
US showings in the parts of the
US
it showed in.
The things he is saying do need explaining Jeff.
You can believe him coz he’s a nice guy if you want,
but you are not being even mildly subjective about this.
You should really ask yourself this:
“If Bill is hiding something – how would he
react?”
The answer is:
(1)
he would explain things meticulously, but offer proof for nothing;
(2)
he would get angry at people who question him and try to make them
feel bad about asking questions;
(3)
he would use his celebrity status as something that makes him more
believable than others.
Something’s not right here Jeff. I am not
calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling that I need some evidence to prove
he’s NOT a liar.
Jeez – he even tells us that Paula never did this and
never did that – so why would he react to people suggesting the same
about him? Weird. You’d think he’d say “well,
with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can understand why people are
confused about mine….” And then go on to calmly explain things.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill wanted me to include my e-mail to him that led
up to his reply, as context. Toodles!
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason - as YOU
are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's
been
inciting within the group...
However, you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my
"Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and Pursuit...") , or
the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff K." <
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject: Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone
#
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda) apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno. Let me know if you can do this by e-mail. Jeff
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Message: 46499 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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In a message dated 10/1/2007 6:37:00 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's accusations.
I guess if he talked to Cougar he would've answered what questions he could
*** The thing is yes, I did say a couple things that may have been out of line (as Jeff did too,) but as of right now Jeff and I agreed to kep things calmer... However, after that, everything was based on the
"research" I did on my own regarding the lack of any solid evidence. Saying there's no solid proof of anything isn't accusing, is it?
**************************************
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46500 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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No, I don’t think it is.
As I explained to Bill, a lot of people
became confused and we all just want to get to the bottom of it.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 3:30
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
In a message dated 10/1/2007 6:37:00 PM Central
Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's
accusations.
I guess if he talked to Cougar he would've answered what questions he could
*** The thing is yes, I did say a couple things that may have been out of line
(as Jeff did too,) but as of right now Jeff and I agreed to kep things
calmer... However, after that, everything was based on the "research"
I did on my own regarding the lack of any solid evidence. Saying there's no
solid proof of anything isn't accusing, is it?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46501 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
.html.html
In a message dated 10/1/2007 7:23:44 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
Jeff, Mike – can we please get on a positive track and expend our energy trying to give evidence to
SUPPORT Bill? One thing I will say is that he's done heaps for apes and he deserves all the niceness this world can give
*** As I said, Jeff and I have worked things out between us... We're at peace so to speak... And, as I told Jeff to tell him, I said I was a bit overzealous in some of the things I said and that I got ahead of
myself in some ways...
As far as Mr. Blake goes, I do hope this scene does show up in some form or another. It'd be interesting to see any "out-takes" from any of the APES films or the TV series.
**************************************
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46502 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
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Bill mentioned that he didn’t know if the name
Lee Delano uses for his character, “ Lugo ”,
comes from a script or a credit or if Lee just calls the character that.
Anyone know more?
Michael
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46503 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
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Agreed.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 3:38
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Let's be
positive....
In
a message dated 10/1/2007 7:23:44 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com
writes:
Jeff, Mike – can we
please get on a positive track and expend our energy trying to give evidence to
SUPPORT Bill? One thing I will say is that he’s done heaps for apes and
he deserves all the niceness this world can give
*** As I said, Jeff and I have worked things out between us... We're at peace
so to speak... And, as I told Jeff to tell him, I said I was a bit overzealous
in some of the things I said and that I got ahead of myself in some ways...
As far as Mr. Blake goes, I do hope this scene does show up in some form or
another. It'd be interesting to see any "out-takes" from any of the
APES films or the TV series.
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Message: 46504 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 12:47:56 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:
Bill mentioned that he didn't know if the name Lee Delano uses for his character, "Lugo", comes from
a script or a credit or if Lee just calls the character that. Anyone know more?
*** He was just called "Officer Gorilla" in the end credits of the show.
**************************************
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46505 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Scripts |
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I also asked Bill if everyone would have
got the final scripts or if maybe they just added the pages – he said
everyone got the full copy of the final script.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:41
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
Well, he has been answering questions, through me.
There is no "evidence", as we established. Right now all there is is
Bill's word. You don't have to believe him, but that doesn't mean it's not
true. No one wants the evidence more than Bill. I've been trying to track down
Lee Delano (Booth doesn't know him) to see what he has. Lee is selling the
picture Bill took during the scene at his website ( www.leedelano. com ) for $25.
Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's accusations.
I guess if he talked to Cougar he would've answered
what questions he could. Bill is an encyclopedia of those times. His memory is
incredible.
Like I said, the stuff he said in Marvel is because
he didn't know what was going on. He assumed if he got a residual that meant it
was shown somewhere. But now we've established that's not necessarily the case.
The next time I see him I will take a gander at his DVD residual stub. If you
don't want to believe me that's fine, I've only been in this group forever.
He mentioned the Paula stuff to show you can't
believe everything in the imdb either. Again, you don't have to believe him on
that either. His position is, believe him or not. He doesn't "owe"
anybody proof.
As far as calmly explaining things, that was my
advice but he said the "tone" he used was appropriate given the
things that were said about him, and the piranha aspect of the
internet. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, October
01, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
So he didn’t take the opportunity to answer any questions
– just went into a spiel of rage that anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill offering some evidence that he’s going to give
to Cougar or is he just going to tell him he’s an asshole because he
wants evidence?
Really Jeff – I don’t even know what
Bill’s claiming yet.
When we look at the facts all we get is that Bill got a
residual. Now if that’s the case then, as Ty and Tim confirmed it
certainly proves a scene was filmed by Bill. It could even have a letter
with it saying “this is a residual for POTA episode THE INTERROGATION” .
He has not answered why he claimed in the Curtis (Marvel)
Magazine interview that “… in some parts of the country that was
cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what parts of the country it
WASN’T cut, and also what made him say that. It’s a strange
thing to say. If he didn’t know that is was shown in some parts of
the country he would say “the scene was cut”.
He also seems to be saying that there was something with the
residual that stated it was for showings in Europe ,
otherwise how would he know the residual is for European showings?
He’d have just assumed it was for the US
showings in the parts of the
US it showed in.
The things he is saying do need explaining Jeff.
You can believe him coz he’s a nice guy if you want,
but you are not being even mildly subjective about this.
You should really ask yourself this:
“If Bill is hiding something – how would he
react?”
The answer is:
(1)
he would explain things meticulously, but offer proof for nothing;
(2)
he would get angry at people who question him and try to make them
feel bad about asking questions;
(3)
he would use his celebrity status as something that makes him more
believable than others.
Something’s not right here Jeff. I am not
calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling that I need some evidence to prove
he’s NOT a liar.
Jeez – he even tells us that Paula never did this and
never did that – so why would he react to people suggesting the same
about him? Weird. You’d think he’d say “well,
with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can understand why people are
confused about mine….” And then go on to calmly explain things.
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill wanted me to include my e-mail to him that led up to his reply, as
context. Toodles!
Greetings
Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* * HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never, ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who has to worry about the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing - with very good reason - as YOU
are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY, aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are, ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's
been
inciting within the group...
However, you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note: I'm looking forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new film equipment (Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello Dolly", perhaps, my
"Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty and Pursuit...") , or
the
Syndication Print of the "Return..." "Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff K." <
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject: Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
> I contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone
#
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda) apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno. Let me know if you can do this by e-mail. Jeff
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46506 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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Cougar accused us of being liars. He had no
proof, so that's an accusation.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:33
PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Why be outraged by
a few questions?
No, I donÂ’t think it
is.
As I explained to
Bill, a lot of people became confused and we all just want to get to the
bottom of it.
Michael
In a message dated 10/1/2007
6:37:00 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
Bill's frustration IS that
there's no evidence, and Cougar's accusations.
I guess if he talked to
Cougar he would've answered what questions he could
*** The thing is yes, I did say a couple things
that may have been out of line (as Jeff did too,) but as of right now Jeff and
I agreed to kep things calmer... However, after that, everything was based on
the "research" I did on my own regarding the lack of any solid evidence.
Saying there's no solid proof of anything isn't accusing, is
it?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46507 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Let's be positive.... |
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Don't count on it, just as we haven't seen
the outtakes from the movies.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:37
PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Let's be
positive....
In a message dated
10/1/2007 7:23:44 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
Jeff, Mike –
can we please get on a positive track and expend our energy trying to give
evidence to SUPPORT Bill? One thing I will say is that he's done heaps
for apes and he deserves all the niceness this world can give
*** As I said, Jeff and I have worked things out between
us... We're at peace so to speak... And, as I told Jeff to tell him, I said I
was a bit overzealous in some of the things I said and that I got ahead of
myself in some ways...
As far as Mr. Blake goes, I do hope this scene
does show up in some form or another. It'd be interesting to see any
"out-takes" from any of the APES films or the TV
series.
************ ********* ********* ********
See
what's new at http://www.aol. com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46508 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
.htmlWhy is the "audio thing" crappy? I thought everyone liked it.
Also, as for "keeping APES alive".... I'd say it's pretty much dormant
but retains a small and devoted cult following.
-- Rory
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty < sallywhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 8:27 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] That crappy audion thing...
OK forget the crappy audio thing! I
WISH I COULD! J
------------------------------------------------------------
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf
Of Neil Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:09
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] That crappy
audion thing...
-- Just because Scrolls is the only (semi) regular Apes
magazine still coming out doesn't mean it is 'keeping Apes alive' same
with the
BS thing, with that it's more like pushing the knife in deeper.
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Michael & Sally
Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007
8:59 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] That crappy
audion thing...
At least Broken
Seas is
trying to keep apes alive….as is Simian Scrolls…..but one should
feel free to question things!
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46509 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: A couple of other interesting things Bill said! |
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It might have been Lugo in the scene, just
as Bill was called "Country Ape". It doesn't give a name in the script at
Hunter's site?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:16
PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] A couple of other
interesting things Bill said!
In a message dated
10/2/2007 12:47:56 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:
Bill
mentioned that he didn't know if the name Lee Delano uses for his character,
"Lugo", comes from a script or a credit or if Lee just calls the character
that. Anyone know more?
*** He was just called
"Officer Gorilla" in the end credits of the
show.
************ ********* ********* ********
See
what's new at http://www.aol. com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 46510 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Scripts |
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Not to be confused with the "final" script
on Hunter's site. There's a celebrity show in Burbank this weekend. Ron Harper
will be there. He usually sells signed copies of his scripts (at least he did 10
years ago). I'll see if he has "Interrogation". I'll also look around for Lee
Delano, though he's not scheduled.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:00
PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Scripts
I also asked Bill if
everyone would have got the final scripts or if maybe they just added the
pages – he said everyone got the full copy of the final
script.
Michael
Well, he has been answering
questions, through me. There is no "evidence", as we established. Right now
all there is is Bill's word. You don't have to believe him, but that doesn't
mean it's not true. No one wants the evidence more than Bill. I've been trying
to track down Lee Delano (Booth doesn't know him) to see what he has. Lee is
selling the picture Bill took during the scene at his website ( www.leedelano. com ) for $25.
Bill's frustration IS that there's no evidence, and Cougar's
accusations.
I guess if he talked to
Cougar he would've answered what questions he could. Bill is an encyclopedia
of those times. His memory is incredible.
Like I said, the stuff he
said in Marvel is because he didn't know what was going on. He assumed if he
got a residual that meant it was shown somewhere. But now we've established
that's not necessarily the case. The next time I see him I will take a gander
at his DVD residual stub. If you don't want to believe me that's fine, I've
only been in this group forever.
He mentioned the Paula
stuff to show you can't believe everything in the imdb either. Again, you
don't have to believe him on that either. His position is, believe him or not.
He doesn't "owe" anybody proof.
As far as calmly explaining
things, that was my advice but he said the "tone" he used was appropriate
given the things that were said about him, and the piranha aspect of the
internet. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday,
October 01, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Why be outraged by a few questions?
So he didnÂ’t take
the opportunity to answer any questions – just went into a spiel of rage
that anyone asked these questions?
Is Bill
offering some evidence that heÂ’s going to give to Cougar or is he just going
to tell him heÂ’s an asshole because he wants
evidence?
Really Jeff
– I don’t even know what Bill’s claiming
yet.
When we look
at the facts all we get is that Bill got a residual. Now if thatÂ’s the
case then, as Ty and Tim confirmed it certainly proves a scene was filmed by
Bill. It could even have a letter with it saying “this is a residual
for POTA episode THE INTERROGATION” .
He has not
answered why he claimed in the Curtis (Marvel) Magazine interview that “… in
some parts of the country that was cut”. I’d like to ask Bill what
parts of the country it WASNÂ’T cut, and also what made him say that.
ItÂ’s a strange thing to say. If he didnÂ’t know that is was shown in
some parts of the country he would say “the scene was
cut”.
He also
seems to be saying that there was something with the residual that stated it
was for showings in Europe , otherwise how would he
know the residual is for European showings? HeÂ’d have just assumed it
was for the US showings in the parts of the
US it showed
in.
The things
he is saying do need explaining Jeff.
You can
believe him coz heÂ’s a nice guy if you want, but you are not being even
mildly subjective about this.
You should
really ask yourself this:
“If Bill is
hiding something – how would he react?”
The answer
is:
(1)
he would explain
things meticulously, but offer proof for
nothing;
(2)
he would get angry
at people who question him and try to make them feel bad about asking
questions;
(3)
he would use his
celebrity status as something that makes him more believable than
others.
SomethingÂ’s
not right here Jeff. I am not calling Bill a liar, but I am feeling
that I need some evidence to prove heÂ’s NOT a
liar.
Jeez – he
even tells us that Paula never did this and never did that – so why would he
react to people suggesting the same about him? Weird. YouÂ’d
think he’d say “well, with all the career confusion linked to Paula I can
understand why people are confused about mine….” And then go on to calmly
explain things.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:11
AM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius'
Response 2: The Awakening
Bill wanted me to
include my e-mail to him that led up to his reply, as context.
Toodles!
Greetings Jeff:
My reply to 'Binky The
Doubting-Thomas/ Rumor-Monger Monkey' is as follows:
No, it can't be
done by e-mail. I want to hear **THE ACTUAL
INDIVIDUAL/VOICE* *
HIDING behind the 'written bile'... I'm up for it... IS
HE??
He's
been spewing untrue, unfounded, CRAP about me (I don't give a rat's ass
WHY he's doing it - The point is, HE IS, and it's destructive to BOTH
ME,
and MY LEGACY when it's thrown-around 'hap-hazardly' in a public
group/forum! - You know how this shit spreads on the 'Net', and never,
ever,
seems to go away, RIGHT?)...
Who the Hell does he think he
is? I'm in the 'Celebrity-position ' here...
And, I'm the one who
has to worry about the
'harassment' /'stalking' /fraud-thing -
with very good reason - as YOU are
already WELL, and QUITE PAINFULLY,
aware; I've got no idea who this MORON
is, or what his intentions are,
ESPECIALLY after what I've heard he's been
inciting within the
group...
However, you DO have my permission to COPY/PASTE THIS ENTIRE
MESSAGE
(UNEDITED AND VERBATIM - EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!!) into one of
your 'posts'
to your group for ALL TO SEE (In fact, I INSIST that you do
this A.S.A.P.!)
-- ONLY THE TEXT PORTION THOUGH (e-mail body)... STRIP
MY E-MAIL ADDRESS...
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS, NOT FOR
MASS PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
On a somewhat lighter note: I'm looking
forward to your next visit - We can
go through the new film equipment
(Arc Projectors, etc.), and screen the
Scope prints of "M*A*S*H", "Hello
Dolly", perhaps, my "Apes"
episode-compilation TV Movie ("Life Liberty
and Pursuit...") , or the
Syndication Print of the "Return..."
"Mission of Mercy"
episode.
Best,
Bill
>From: "Jeff K."
<
veetus@earthlink. net>
>Subject:
Hey Bill
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:09 -0700
>
>
I contacted the guy and he said he didn't want to give out his phone #
>because somebody has been harassing him (he also admitted he was
giving me
>a hard time because of frustration over that). He (kinda)
apologized.
>Anyway, he said e-mail would work if that's alright with
you. Or I
>suggested a substitute call.
> I dunno.
Let me know if you can do this by e-mail.
Jeff
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Date: 10/2/2007 |
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:11:24 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
? Don't count on it, just as we haven't seen the outtakes from the movies.
Exactly... I think there may be a small chance that film out takes may exist, especially from CONQUEST, but as far as anything from the TV series, I would guess it's all long gone...
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:11:49 AM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
Why is the "audio thing" crappy? I thought everyone liked it.
***Have you listened to it? If not, give a couple of the chapters a listen and you'll hear exactly what the critique is about... I think the folks on "the other group" may like it, but it's pretty
much keptat arms length here...
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Date: 10/2/2007 |
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:15:08 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
Not to be confused with the "final" script on Hunter's site. There's a celebrity
show in Burbank this weekend. Ron Harper will be there. He usually sells signed copies of his scripts (at least he did 10 years ago). I'll see if he has "Interrogation". I'll also look around for Lee
Delano, though he's not scheduled.
*** Good luck with that... I'm ready to see solid proof...
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Date: 10/2/2007 |
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:15:14 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
It might have been Lugo in the scene, just as Bill was called "Country Ape". It doesn't give a name in the script at Hunter's site?
*** I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure it didn't give names other than "Officer Gorilla", "Tall Gorilla" etc.
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Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Why be outraged by a few questions? |
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:12:12 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
Cougar accused us of being liars. He had no proof, so that's an accusation.
*** I thought we moved past this?
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Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
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, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:
He also said they had to modify the hairline so (again) he would not be
confused with Roddy.
Michael
*** Jeff, maybe you can answer this: I know that Bill does his own
makeup, as seen in the Cornelius act, etc.
BUT, just now Whitty said that Bill told him that "they" had to modify
his apes hairline. I'm guessing that "they" were the makeup people on
the show. Did he have help from them on this, or did he just do the
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From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
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-- No,
I think you will find that the majority on THIS group don't like it
and have said so and why. The Brokensea boys were in this group for a while,
before the criticism got too much for them and in the words of Monty Python,
they 'buggered off!'
Neil
Why is the "audio thing" crappy? I thought everyone liked it.
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From: Neil Foster |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
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-- It's from the
POTA postage stamp, Graham.
Neil
Where's this one from Neil ?
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Message: 46519 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
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I don’t think they really like it –
I don’t think anyone could!
I think they try to be positive and
encouraging to be “the nice guys”.
Well…..unless they are giving a
critique on something I have been involved in! Then they are just
outright wankers.
Not all of them though – of course –
just a few of them.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2007
2:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: That
crappy audion thing...
In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:11:49 AM Central
Daylight Time, Haristas@aol. com writes:
Why is the "audio thing" crappy? I thought
everyone liked it.
***Have you listened to it? If not, give a couple of the chapters a listen and
you'll hear exactly what the critique is about... I think the folks on
"the other group" may like it, but it's pretty much keptat arms
length here...
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From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
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My bad.
I nrever actually thought you accused
anyone of being a liar – I must have missed that post – SORRY!
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PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2007
3:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Why be
outraged by a few questions?
In a message dated 10/2/2007 11:12:12 AM Central
Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
Cougar accused us of being liars. He had no proof, so that's
an accusation.
*** I thought we moved past this?
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Message: 46521 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: So what is the frigging scene then? |
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Whoa hang on a sec – I am not
quoting directly and I actually think they asked BILL to do it.
See how things can quickly get distorted
sometimes?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2007
3:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: So what is
the frigging scene then?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
"Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
He also said they had to modify the hairline so (again) he would not be
confused with Roddy.
Michael
*** Jeff, maybe you can answer this: I know that Bill does his own
makeup, as seen in the Cornelius act, etc.
BUT, just now Whitty said that Bill told him that "they" had to
modify
his apes hairline. I'm guessing that "they" were the makeup people on
the show. Did he have help from them on this, or did he just do the
facial appliances and their people did the hair or how did that all
work?
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Message: 46522 |
From: Michael & Sally Whitty |
Date: 10/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: That crappy audion thing... |
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Yeah and for a long time I even asked
people on this group to be nice about it….
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2007
6:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: That
crappy audion thing...
-- No, I think you will find that the majority
on THIS group don't like it and have said so and why. The Brokensea boys
were in this group for a while, before the criticism got too much for them and
in the words of Monty Python, they 'buggered off!'
Neil
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Haristas@aol. com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007
2:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: That crappy
audion thing...
Why is
the "audio thing" crappy? I thought everyone liked it.
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