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*** Not neccessarily. .. I mean look at all of the other background/atmosphe re apes  that don't say a word in the film(s) and they all have regular appliances.. . ***

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In a message dated 4/1/2008 8:24:45 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

But the falling out was professional and financial. He said she betrayed the partnership. But of course I haven't heard her side. All I know is what she supposedly did hurts him to this day.

*** And let me say this before I go any further, I am NOT saying anything bad about Mr. Blake, nor am I trying to get anything going. This has no connection at all to the other debate, which we will not be going into. This is a simple and honest question:

If he is still so hurt by what happened, do you think it's at all possible that he would go as far as saying something didn't happen just to make her look bad? (i.e., Tarnishing her reputation)?


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*** Well then using that logic, you might as well say that the makers were also complete idiots making up all of the gorilla hunters or the citizens shown when Taylor is on the run thru the village that were in the "background" in PLANET.

Or how about all of the gorillas and chimps in CONQUEST? Many of them were also in full make-up and they bit the bullet too. ***

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And in the scenes in Planet where they are throwing rocks at Taylor

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"Touchy, isn't he?" ~ Cornelius

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"He may be intelligent, but he's also crazy." ~~~ Cornelius

.

None of us would be here if it weren't for the late great Charlton Heston.

When Arthur P. Jacobs was fishing around his wannabe film project Planet of the Apes to every studio in town, and being turned down by all of them, it was only after he got Chuck interested in portraying the lead role that it became a viable project. And, on the heels of his role in The Warlord, he brought to the project its director, Frank Schaffner, to do the directing chores on Planet . Chances are, no matter how diligent Jacobs would've been in the event of Heston also passing on Planet , the movie would've never gotten made. It was Heston's belief in the artistic worth of the ideas behind the story that prompted him to agree to play Taylor, and it was his box-office status that made Zanuck (et al.) sit up and take notice. It didn't hurt that Fantastic Voyage did well financially to prompt 20th Century Fox to greenlight Planet , but remember: they went to all the trouble to do that make-up test with Chuck and Edward G. Robinson, just to see if the make-ups wouldn't be laughed at. Chuck did more than his share just to get a studio to believe in the project. And, once it finally got off the ground, they had to go to the trouble of making the picture -- an arduous task for Heston, what with being nearly naked the whole time, being chased around... whipped, pelted with (hard) rubber prop-stones, led around on a leash...!

I haven't seen every Chuck Heston performance, but I've seen a great many of them and I never saw him "phone in" a performance. He was never a hack for a paycheck -- and, hey, I mean no disrespect for anybody here, but I've seen other great actors give quick-and-dirty (and mediocre quality) performances for a quick paycheck. Donald Sutherland phoned in a performance for a low-budget Wesley Snipes action flick about a decade ago (I think it was titled The Art of War). Michael Caine played a greasy-black-haired villain in Steven Seagal's groan-tastic 'epic' On Deadly Ground . And I'm sure he got paid more than he was worth for that celluloid hemorrhoid!

But Chuck Heston? Even in his less stellar films, he always (to me) seemed to give it his best. Probably the last thing I saw him in was Kenneth Branagh's full-text version of Hamlet , with Chuck as the Player King. I had hoped to see him as Polonius, but in retrospect I think it was more fitting for him to portray a stage-actor. He came full-circle, having been a stage actor long before he got his start in movies and TV.

Even in a movie which hasn't aged all that well (such as The Omega Man ), Heston himself makes it watchable. His presence was palpable, commanding the screen. I don't want to knock Will Smith's performance in the more recent version (I Am Legend ), but he just doesn't have the same screen presence that Chuck did. Chuck was larger than life, perfect for playing roles like Moses, Andrew Jackson, Ben-Hur, John the Baptist, El Cid, and yes, Colonel George Taylor.

He once said that the role of Taylor was perhaps the closest he came to portraying himself, which is a curiously revealing thing to admit. Because Taylor was not a hero, and most certainly not a very likable person. He was a lonely misanthrope, seeking something better than Man out in the quiet vastness of Outer Space. The first chance he got to escape from his cage, he runs out to save his own hide -- leaving Nova and all the rest of the poor slobs to their captivity in Zira's lab. Hardly the heroic act. But his character "evolved" throughout the film... so that, once Lucius helps him to escape a second time, he insists on saving Nova, at least, from the fate that Zira's lab-rat humans could expect to suffer (experimental brain surgery, etc).

When I think of Heston's trifecta of Sci-Fi roles... Taylor in Planet of the Apes, Neville in The Omega Man, and the protagonist of Soylent Green ... I wonder about the man who felt compelled to choose those roles, rather than more audience-friendly roles. Heston seemed to go out of his way playing the Man Who Didn't Fit In. A man born in the wrong century, fit more for a time long ago or for a SpaceTime beyond the horrors of the 20th century. Taylor left the 20th Century with "no regrets"... and sometimes I think that Heston did just that by seeking out roles that took him away from our Present. Back to ancient Egypt or Rome... or to the "old" West (Will Penny)... or to the End of the World.

Heston would've been the first to say that there were better actors out there (Olivier, Brando, Jimmy Stewart, Henry Fonda, to name a few), but I can't think of any other actor who could've been more effective in the role of Taylor. Heston wasn't made for the role of Ulysse Merou, but he was born to play George Taylor. Even most critics seem to look on his role in Planet of the Apes as quintessential Heston, as much so as his roles portraying Moses and Ben-Hur. He won the Oscar for the latter film (and deservedly so), but I think his best performance was as Taylor. Perhaps because, as he said, the role was more like him as a man. In the same era when he marched with Dr. King for the civil (and human) rights of people-of-color, he portrayed a man who had to stand up for his own rights in the face of unprecedented bigotry (the Tribunal scene from Planet ). And, having done so, his character went on to go out of his way to try to save Cornelius and Zira from "this fanatic" Zaius, in the Cave scene. Taylor, like Heston-the-Actor, sought to reconstruct a past life based on the few tangible fragments left over from a long-dead era.

Knowing that Alzheimer's Disease was destroying Heston's very identity as surely as that lobotomy took Landon's identity from him, I am sadly relieved that Charlton Heston has given up the ghost. I am sure that, to a certain extent, it is a relief to his family and friends that the ravages of that affliction no longer can do their worst to him. The most poignant moment in 2001: A Space Odyssey is when Hal-9000 blandly tells astronaut Dave Bowman that he's afraid... because his mind is going . Heston was friends with former actor (and President) Ronald Reagan, whose last days were also spent wasting away from Alzheimer's. I'm sure that Chuck, too, must have felt at least a modicum of fear knowing the kind of end he would be facing. But for us fans, he put on a brave face and exited the stage with dignity, thanking us for the years of support we'd given him.

But it is we who owed him our thanks for the many years of entertainment that he had given to us. He made his mark -- on the stage, on TV during its formative early stages, and on the movie screen. I became a lifelong fan of his because of Planet of the Apes (and its sequels, none of which would've been made if not for the fact that he consented to appear -- all too briefly -- in Beneath , as a favor to Zanuck for greenlighting the first film), and I will go to my grave forever grateful for the fact that his enthusiasm for that project was a prime factor in getting it made in the first place. It could've been a career ender for him -- I mean, c'mon!... a planet of talking monkeys??? -- but he saw that the ideas underlying it were Big. And important. It was a story worth telling, despite the challenges.

We owe all of our appreciation to him for making that film. For making it happen. For bringing in Schaffner, fresh from The Warlord . For being willing to work with people who had been formerly on-the-outs due to the Blacklist. In our Blue-vs.-Red-State, Liberal vs. Conservative, Republican vs. Democrat polarized society, Heston was often labelled more of a so-called "conservative" man... but he marched with Dr. King and, in the late 1960's through mid-1970's he acted in films which had a definite left-leaning sentiment.

I may have a more jaded view of the NRA than others here, but I've always admired Heston's philosophical view in favor of unrestricted 2nd Amendment issues. I've never doubted that his support of the NRA was based on his patriotic view that the right of the People to keep and bear arms was sacrosanct: I only differed with him on the motives and agenda of the organization he headed -- but never doubted his sincerity. And it pained me to see him have to deal with the opprobrium he faced in the wake of gun-related violence (such as the Columbine killings), as if his advocacy of Gun-Owning Rights was a tacit endorsement of the unlawful (mis)-uses of Guns by criminals. Does banning guns prevent Homicide? In Battle for the Planet of the Apes , Aldo commits the first Ape-on-Ape murder at a time when he has no access to guns (yet)... chopping the branch on which Caesar's son is perched with his sword. By hook or by crook, it is the nature of Man (and Ape...?) to make war against his own brother. Be it with a gun, or with a blade, or with rocks and sticks. Or hand-to-hand. Tooth-and-nail.

"Does Man, that marvel of the universe... that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars... still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbor's children starving?"

Heston (the actor) chose to act in Planet of the Apes because he, as a man, was asking the same question his character Taylor asked. We'll still be asking the big questions in our far-flung future, I'm sure... because it's only by asking such questions that we'll ever have a chance to find the answers. That's good enough reason to make Art that poses those questions.

Charlton Heston has exited the Stage, having played many parts. And his stage-life is now "rounded with a sleep" (to quote Shakespeare). The ancients lauded the acting talents of Roscius... but we'll never know how talented Roscius was. We are lucky to have an audio-visual record of Charlton Heston's work. We not only know how good he was at his craft... we can pop in a DVD of one of his films and see it.

I think I'll watch Planet of the Apes again. Today. Right now, in fact.

Patrick Michael Tilton

EARTH-TIME 04-06-2008

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Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:55 AM

Subject: [pota] Charlton Heston

 Well, Roddy died during the 30th anniversary year and Chuck died during the 40th. If they have to go I guess there's some closure in that. Yes, we'll miss him but we've been missing him for years.

  Thanks to his family for their thoughtful message to his fans. And thank you Chuck for making POTA possible, and all the work that will live on after when we ourselves have shuffled off this mortal coil. God bless.

 

----- Original Message -----
From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
Date: Sunday, April 6, 2008 11:43 am
Subject: [PotaDG] In Memoriam...

>
> None of us would be here if it weren't for the late great Charlton
> Heston.
>
> When Arthur P. Jacobs was fishing around his wannabe film project
> Planetof the Apes to every studio in town, and being turned down by
> all of
> them, it was only after he got Chuck interested in portraying the lead
> role that it became a viable project. And, on the heels of his role in
> The Warlord, he brought to the project its director, Frank
> Schaffner, to
> do the directing chores on Planet. Chances are, no matter how diligent
> Jacobs would've been in the event of Heston also passing on Planet,
> themovie would've never gotten made. It was Heston's belief in the
> artisticworth of the ideas behind the story that prompted him to
> agree to play
> Taylor, and it was his box-office status that made Zanuck (et al.) sit
> up and take notice. It didn't hurt that Fantastic Voyage did well
> financially to prompt 20th Century Fox to greenlight Planet, but
> remember: they went to all the trouble to do that make-up test with
> Chuck and Edward G. Robinson, just to see if the make-ups wouldn't be
> laughed at. Chuck did more than his share just to get a studio to
> believe in the project. And, once it finally got off the ground, they
> had to go to the trouble of making the picture -- an arduous task for
> Heston, what with being nearly naked the whole time, being chased
> around... whipped, pelted with (hard) rubber prop-stones, led
> around on
> a leash...!
>
> I haven't seen every Chuck Heston performance, but I've seen a great
> many of them and I never saw him "phone in" a performance. He was
> nevera hack for a paycheck -- and, hey, I mean no disrespect for
> anybodyhere, but I've seen other great actors give quick-and-dirty
> (andmediocre quality) performances for a quick paycheck. Donald
> Sutherlandphoned in a performance for a low-budget Wesley Snipes
> action flick
> about a decade ago (I think it was titled The Art of War). Michael
> Caineplayed a greasy-black-haired villain in Steven Seagal's groan-
> tastic'epic' On Deadly Ground. And I'm sure he got paid more than
> he was worth
> for that celluloid hemorrhoid!
>
> But Chuck Heston? Even in his less stellar films, he always (to me)
> seemed to give it his best. Probably the last thing I saw him in was
> Kenneth Branagh's full-text version of Hamlet, with Chuck as the
> PlayerKing. I had hoped to see him as Polonius, but in retrospect I
> think it
> was more fitting for him to portray a stage-actor. He came full-
> circle,having been a stage actor long before he got his start in
> movies and TV.
>
> Even in a movie which hasn't aged all that well (such as The Omega
> Man),Heston himself makes it watchable. His presence was palpable,
> commandingthe screen. I don't want to knock Will Smith's
> performance in the more
> recent version (I Am Legend), but he just doesn't have the same screen
> presence that Chuck did. Chuck was larger than life, perfect for
> playingroles like Moses, Andrew Jackson, Ben-Hur, John the Baptist,
> El Cid, and
> yes, Colonel George Taylor.
>
> He once said that the role of Taylor was perhaps the closest he
> came to
> portraying himself, which is a curiously revealing thing to admit.
> Because Taylor was not a hero, and most certainly not a very likable
> person. He was a lonely misanthrope, seeking something better than Man
> out in the quiet vastness of Outer Space. The first chance he got to
> escape from his cage, he runs out to save his own hide -- leaving Nova
> and all the rest of the poor slobs to their captivity in Zira's lab.
> Hardly the heroic act. But his character "evolved" throughout the
> film... so that, once Lucius helps him to escape a second time, he
> insists on saving Nova, at least, from the fate that Zira's lab-rat
> humans could expect to suffer (experimental brain surgery, etc).
>
> When I think of Heston's trifecta of Sci-Fi roles... Taylor in
> Planet of
> the Apes, Neville in The Omega Man, and the protagonist of Soylent
> Green... I wonder about the man who felt compelled to choose those
> roles, rather than more audience-friendly roles. Heston seemed to
> go out
> of his way playing the Man Who Didn't Fit In. A man born in the wrong
> century, fit more for a time long ago or for a SpaceTime beyond the
> horrors of the 20th century. Taylor left the 20th Century with "no
> regrets"... and sometimes I think that Heston did just that by seeking
> out roles that took him away from our Present. Back to ancient
> Egypt or
> Rome... or to the "old" West (Will Penny)... or to the End of the
> World.
> Heston would've been the first to say that there were better actors
> outthere (Olivier, Brando, Jimmy Stewart, Henry Fonda, to name a
> few), but
> I can't think of any other actor who could've been more effective
> in the
> role of Taylor. Heston wasn't made for the role of Ulysse Merou,
> but he
> was born to play George Taylor. Even most critics seem to look on his
> role in Planet of the Apes as quintessential Heston, as much so as his
> roles portraying Moses and Ben-Hur. He won the Oscar for the latter
> film(and deservedly so), but I think his best performance was as
> Taylor.Perhaps because, as he said, the role was more like him as a
> man. In the
> same era when he marched with Dr. King for the civil (and human)
> rightsof people-of-color, he portrayed a man who had to stand up
> for his own
> rights in the face of unprecedented bigotry (the Tribunal scene from
> Planet). And, having done so, his character went on to go out of
> his way
> to try to save Cornelius and Zira from "this fanatic" Zaius, in the
> Cavescene. Taylor, like Heston-the-Actor, sought to reconstruct a
> past life
> based on the few tangible fragments left over from a long-dead era.
>
> Knowing that Alzheimer's Disease was destroying Heston's very identity
> as surely as that lobotomy took Landon's identity from him, I am sadly
> relieved that Charlton Heston has given up the ghost. I am sure
> that, to
> a certain extent, it is a relief to his family and friends that the
> ravages of that affliction no longer can do their worst to him. The
> mostpoignant moment in 2001: A Space Odyssey is when Hal-9000
> blandly tells
> astronaut Dave Bowman that he's afraid... because his mind is going.
> Heston was friends with former actor (and President) Ronald Reagan,
> whose last days were also spent wasting away from Alzheimer's. I'm
> surethat Chuck, too, must have felt at least a modicum of fear
> knowing the
> kind of end he would be facing. But for us fans, he put on a brave
> faceand exited the stage with dignity, thanking us for the years of
> supportwe'd given him.
>
> But it is we who owed him our thanks for the many years of
> entertainmentthat he had given to us. He made his mark -- on the
> stage, on TV during
> its formative early stages, and on the movie screen. I became a
> lifelongfan of his because of Planet of the Apes (and its sequels,
> none of which
> would've been made if not for the fact that he consented to appear -
> -
> all too briefly -- in Beneath, as a favor to Zanuck for greenlighting
> the first film), and I will go to my grave forever grateful for the
> factthat his enthusiasm for that project was a prime factor in
> getting it
> made in the first place. It could've been a career ender for him -- I
> mean, c'mon!... a planet of talking monkeys??? -- but he saw that the
> ideas underlying it were Big. And important. It was a story worth
> telling, despite the challenges.
>
> We owe all of our appreciation to him for making that film. For making
> it happen. For bringing in Schaffner, fresh from The Warlord. For
> beingwilling to work with people who had been formerly on-the-outs
> due to the
> Blacklist. In our Blue-vs.-Red-State, Liberal vs. Conservative,
> Republican vs. Democrat polarized society, Heston was often labelled
> more of a so-called "conservative" man... but he marched with Dr. King
> and, in the late 1960's through mid-1970's he acted in films which
> had a
> definite left-leaning sentiment.
>
> I may have a more jaded view of the NRA than others here, but I've
> always admired Heston's philosophical view in favor of unrestricted
> 2ndAmendment issues. I've never doubted that his support of the NRA
> wasbased on his patriotic view that the right of the People to keep
> andbear arms was sacrosanct: I only differed with him on the
> motives and
> agenda of the organization he headed -- but never doubted his
> sincerity.And it pained me to see him have to deal with the
> opprobrium he faced in
> the wake of gun-related violence (such as the Columbine killings),
> as if
> his advocacy of Gun-Owning Rights was a tacit endorsement of the
> unlawful (mis)-uses of Guns by criminals. Does banning guns prevent
> Homicide? In Battle for the Planet of the Apes, Aldo commits the first
> Ape-on-Ape murder at a time when he has no access to guns (yet)...
> chopping the branch on which Caesar's son is perched with his
> sword. By
> hook or by crook, it is the nature of Man (and Ape...?) to make war
> against his own brother. Be it with a gun, or with a blade, or with
> rocks and sticks. Or hand-to-hand. Tooth-and-nail.
>
> "Does Man, that marvel of the universe... that glorious paradox who
> sentme to the stars... still make war against his brother? Keep his
> neighbor's children starving?"
>
> Heston (the actor) chose to act in Planet of the Apes because he,
> as a
> man, was asking the same question his character Taylor asked. We'll
> still be asking the big questions in our far-flung future, I'm sure...
> because it's only by asking such questions that we'll ever have a
> chanceto find the answers. That's good enough reason to make Art
> that poses
> those questions.
>
> Charlton Heston has exited the Stage, having played many parts. And
> hisstage-life is now "rounded with a sleep" (to quote Shakespeare).
> Theancients lauded the acting talents of Roscius... but we'll never
> knowhow talented Roscius was. We are lucky to have an audio-visual
> record of
> Charlton Heston's work. We not only know how good he was at his
> craft...we can pop in a DVD of one of his films and see it.
>
> I think I'll watch Planet of the Apes again. Today. Right now, in
> fact.
> Patrick Michael Tilton
>
> EARTH-TIME 04-06-2008
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: TZer0@...
Date: Sunday, April 6, 2008 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] In Memoriam...

>
> In a message dated 4/6/2008 10:44:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
> . I don't want to knock Will Smith's performance in the more
> recent version
> (I Am Legend), but he just doesn't have the same screen presence
> that Chuck
> did
>
>
>
> And I though the Anthony Zerbe character was much scarier than the
> mindless
> zombies in it. Anyone else seen the original with Vincent Price?
> Not bad
> for 60s Iti Sci-Fi.
>
>
>
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>
>
> None of us would be here if it weren't for the late great Charlton
> Heston.
>
> When Arthur P. Jacobs was fishing around his wannabe film project

> of the Apes to every studio in town, and being turned down by all of
> them, it was only after he got Chuck interested in portraying the

> role that it became a viable project. And, on the heels of his role

> The Warlord, he brought to the project its director, Frank

> do the directing chores on Planet. Chances are, no matter how

> Jacobs would've been in the event of Heston also passing on Planet,

> movie would've never gotten made. It was Heston's belief in the

> worth of the ideas behind the story that prompted him to agree to

> Taylor, and it was his box-office status that made Zanuck (et al.)

> up and take notice. It didn't hurt that Fantastic Voyage did well
> financially to prompt 20th Century Fox to greenlight Planet, but
> remember: they went to all the trouble to do that make-up test with
> Chuck and Edward G. Robinson, just to see if the make-ups wouldn't

> laughed at. Chuck did more than his share just to get a studio to
> believe in the project. And, once it finally got off the ground,

> had to go to the trouble of making the picture -- an arduous task

> Heston, what with being nearly naked the whole time, being chased
> around... whipped, pelted with (hard) rubber prop-stones, led

> a leash...!
>
> I haven't seen every Chuck Heston performance, but I've seen a great
> many of them and I never saw him "phone in" a performance. He was

> a hack for a paycheck -- and, hey, I mean no disrespect for anybody
> here, but I've seen other great actors give quick-and-dirty (and
> mediocre quality) performances for a quick paycheck. Donald

> phoned in a performance for a low-budget Wesley Snipes action flick
> about a decade ago (I think it was titled The Art of War). Michael

> played a greasy-black-haired villain in Steven Seagal's groan-tastic
> 'epic' On Deadly Ground. And I'm sure he got paid more than he was

> for that celluloid hemorrhoid!
>
> But Chuck Heston? Even in his less stellar films, he always (to me)
> seemed to give it his best. Probably the last thing I saw him in was
> Kenneth Branagh's full-text version of Hamlet, with Chuck as the

> King. I had hoped to see him as Polonius, but in retrospect I think

> was more fitting for him to portray a stage-actor. He came full-

> having been a stage actor long before he got his start in movies

>
> Even in a movie which hasn't aged all that well (such as The Omega

> Heston himself makes it watchable. His presence was palpable,

> the screen. I don't want to knock Will Smith's performance in the

> recent version (I Am Legend), but he just doesn't have the same

> presence that Chuck did. Chuck was larger than life, perfect for

> roles like Moses, Andrew Jackson, Ben-Hur, John the Baptist, El

> yes, Colonel George Taylor.
>
> He once said that the role of Taylor was perhaps the closest he

> portraying himself, which is a curiously revealing thing to admit.
> Because Taylor was not a hero, and most certainly not a very likable
> person. He was a lonely misanthrope, seeking something better than

> out in the quiet vastness of Outer Space. The first chance he got to
> escape from his cage, he runs out to save his own hide -- leaving

> and all the rest of the poor slobs to their captivity in Zira's lab.
> Hardly the heroic act. But his character "evolved" throughout the
> film... so that, once Lucius helps him to escape a second time, he
> insists on saving Nova, at least, from the fate that Zira's lab-rat
> humans could expect to suffer (experimental brain surgery, etc).
>
> When I think of Heston's trifecta of Sci-Fi roles... Taylor in

> the Apes, Neville in The Omega Man, and the protagonist of Soylent
> Green... I wonder about the man who felt compelled to choose those
> roles, rather than more audience-friendly roles. Heston seemed to

> of his way playing the Man Who Didn't Fit In. A man born in the

> century, fit more for a time long ago or for a SpaceTime beyond the
> horrors of the 20th century. Taylor left the 20th Century with "no
> regrets"... and sometimes I think that Heston did just that by

> out roles that took him away from our Present. Back to ancient

> Rome... or to the "old" West (Will Penny)... or to the End of the

>
> Heston would've been the first to say that there were better actors

> there (Olivier, Brando, Jimmy Stewart, Henry Fonda, to name a few),

> I can't think of any other actor who could've been more effective

> role of Taylor. Heston wasn't made for the role of Ulysse Merou,

> was born to play George Taylor. Even most critics seem to look on

> role in Planet of the Apes as quintessential Heston, as much so as

> roles portraying Moses and Ben-Hur. He won the Oscar for the latter

> (and deservedly so), but I think his best performance was as Taylor.
> Perhaps because, as he said, the role was more like him as a man.

> same era when he marched with Dr. King for the civil (and human)

> of people-of-color, he portrayed a man who had to stand up for his

> rights in the face of unprecedented bigotry (the Tribunal scene from
> Planet). And, having done so, his character went on to go out of

> to try to save Cornelius and Zira from "this fanatic" Zaius, in the

> scene. Taylor, like Heston-the-Actor, sought to reconstruct a past

> based on the few tangible fragments left over from a long-dead era.
>
> Knowing that Alzheimer's Disease was destroying Heston's very

> as surely as that lobotomy took Landon's identity from him, I am

> relieved that Charlton Heston has given up the ghost. I am sure

> a certain extent, it is a relief to his family and friends that the
> ravages of that affliction no longer can do their worst to him. The

> poignant moment in 2001: A Space Odyssey is when Hal-9000 blandly

> astronaut Dave Bowman that he's afraid... because his mind is going.
> Heston was friends with former actor (and President) Ronald Reagan,
> whose last days were also spent wasting away from Alzheimer's. I'm

> that Chuck, too, must have felt at least a modicum of fear knowing

> kind of end he would be facing. But for us fans, he put on a brave

> and exited the stage with dignity, thanking us for the years of

> we'd given him.
>
> But it is we who owed him our thanks for the many years of

> that he had given to us. He made his mark -- on the stage, on TV

> its formative early stages, and on the movie screen. I became a

> fan of his because of Planet of the Apes (and its sequels, none of

> would've been made if not for the fact that he consented to appear -

> all too briefly -- in Beneath, as a favor to Zanuck for

> the first film), and I will go to my grave forever grateful for the

> that his enthusiasm for that project was a prime factor in getting

> made in the first place. It could've been a career ender for him --

> mean, c'mon!... a planet of talking monkeys??? -- but he saw that

> ideas underlying it were Big. And important. It was a story worth
> telling, despite the challenges.
>
> We owe all of our appreciation to him for making that film. For

> it happen. For bringing in Schaffner, fresh from The Warlord. For

> willing to work with people who had been formerly on-the-outs due

> Blacklist. In our Blue-vs.-Red-State, Liberal vs. Conservative,
> Republican vs. Democrat polarized society, Heston was often labelled
> more of a so-called "conservative" man... but he marched with Dr.

> and, in the late 1960's through mid-1970's he acted in films which

> definite left-leaning sentiment.
>
> I may have a more jaded view of the NRA than others here, but I've
> always admired Heston's philosophical view in favor of unrestricted

> Amendment issues. I've never doubted that his support of the NRA was
> based on his patriotic view that the right of the People to keep and
> bear arms was sacrosanct: I only differed with him on the motives

> agenda of the organization he headed -- but never doubted his

> And it pained me to see him have to deal with the opprobrium he

> the wake of gun-related violence (such as the Columbine killings),

> his advocacy of Gun-Owning Rights was a tacit endorsement of the
> unlawful (mis)-uses of Guns by criminals. Does banning guns prevent
> Homicide? In Battle for the Planet of the Apes, Aldo commits the

> Ape-on-Ape murder at a time when he has no access to guns (yet)...
> chopping the branch on which Caesar's son is perched with his

> hook or by crook, it is the nature of Man (and Ape...?) to make war
> against his own brother. Be it with a gun, or with a blade, or with
> rocks and sticks. Or hand-to-hand. Tooth-and-nail.
>
> "Does Man, that marvel of the universe... that glorious paradox who

> me to the stars... still make war against his brother? Keep his
> neighbor's children starving?"
>
> Heston (the actor) chose to act in Planet of the Apes because he,

> man, was asking the same question his character Taylor asked. We'll
> still be asking the big questions in our far-flung future, I'm

> because it's only by asking such questions that we'll ever have a

> to find the answers. That's good enough reason to make Art that

> those questions.
>
> Charlton Heston has exited the Stage, having played many parts. And

> stage-life is now "rounded with a sleep" (to quote Shakespeare). The
> ancients lauded the acting talents of Roscius... but we'll never

> how talented Roscius was. We are lucky to have an audio-visual

> Charlton Heston's work. We not only know how good he was at his

> we can pop in a DVD of one of his films and see it.
>
> I think I'll watch Planet of the Apes again. Today. Right now, in

>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
>
> EARTH-TIME 04-06-2008
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> That was very well put, Patrick. Only recently I was having a go at
> Heston's politics when someone here pointed out his civil rights
> record. Which proved two things to me: 1) I need to do my research
> better, and 2) he was a far more complex character than he's given
> credit for.
>

As you  say Neil people are more complex than we some times give them credit.
 We mustn't forget Heston's role in Orson Welle's "Touch Of Evil"(1958) as a Mexican narcotics officer, Mike Vargas who constantly through out the film is confronted with bigotry and prejudice in particular from sheriff  Quinlin played by Welles himself.

I doubt that Heston saw this as just another role but more as an important subject to tackle in the late 50's.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/7/2008 11:19:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
> neilmoxham@... writes:
>
>
> > Only recently I was having a go at Heston's politics when someone
here
> > pointed out his civil rights record. Which proved two things to
me: 1) I need to
> > do my research better, and 2) he was a far more complex character
than he's
> > given
> > credit for.
> >
> *** What I don't get is why it should matter anyway, unless you're
an
> absolute hard-core liberal or an extreme antigun person. (Which BTW
would put you on
> the same level as everyone said Heston was, just on the opposite
end of the
> spectrum.)
>
> His personal politics should NOT affect how someone looks at his
body of work
> anyway. Who and what he portrayed on screen are not necessarily
what he was
> in real life. He was an actor, and actors often portray people that
are nothing
> like themselves. ***
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>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/8/08 9:58:37 AM, neilmoxham@... writes:
>
>
> > a movie that can be construed as anti-war and anti-racist,
therefore
> > (especially in 1966-1968) political. And not the kind of politics
one
> > would expect from a Republican
> >
>
> I don't know why. I can certainly see reasons for having to
> fight some wars without being pro war. And I don't think
> Republicans are pro racist. You must have a very simplistic
> view of people. Many people are fiscal conservatives and at
> the same time social liberals. I think every one should see
> this video of William F. Buckley. A very intelligent man.
>
> YouTube - William Buckley Vs Gore Vidal
>
>
> **************
> Planning your summer
> road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.
>
> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?
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>

>
> How exciting is this. Hope it's true!
>
> JBK
> From blueray.com
>
> Planet of the Apes coming to Blu....
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------
>
> Taken from thedigitalbits rumor mill:
>
> ...in the wake of the death of Charlton Heston, we've learned from
> our industry sources (and other sources as well) that Fox is
> currently planning to bow what would be a fitting tribute - a Blu-

> Disc box set of not just the classic Planet of the Apes feature

> but possibly all four sequels as well, sometime in the 3rd or 4th
> quarter of this year. This would include at least some new
> featurettes and other extras. Word is Fox has even discovered the
> original ending from the preview cut of Conquest of the Planet of

> Apes. All of this would be part of a 40th anniversary celebration

> the original film.
>
> It's also worth reminding you that Warner has officially confirmed
> that they're planning to deliver Ben-Hur on Blu-ray Disc in 2009.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: nlmoxham

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:26 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New Blueray box set. With new extras!!!!!

That sounds good, but it would be great if FOX would go all out on
new bonus material (and maybe that book of POTA art aswell!) rather
than drip-feeding one or two new bits every 5 years.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@ ...>
wrote:
>
> How exciting is this. Hope it's true!
>
> JBK
> From blueray.com
>
> Planet of the Apes coming to Blu....
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
--
> ----------
>
> Taken from thedigitalbits rumor mill:
>
> ...in the wake of the death of Charlton Heston, we've learned from
> our industry sources (and other sources as well) that Fox is
> currently planning to bow what would be a fitting tribute - a Blu-
ray
> Disc box set of not just the classic Planet of the Apes feature
film,
> but possibly all four sequels as well, sometime in the 3rd or 4th
> quarter of this year. This would include at least some new
> featurettes and other extras. Word is Fox has even discovered the
> original ending from the preview cut of Conquest of the Planet of
the
> Apes. All of this would be part of a 40th anniversary celebration
of
> the original film.
>
> It's also worth reminding you that Warner has officially confirmed
> that they're planning to deliver Ben-Hur on Blu-ray Disc in 2009.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New Blueray box set. With new extras!!!!!

  It is true but the extras are still to be determined. Joe Russo at "the other group" did an interview with them for the extras. It should come out in Oct.

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:23 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New Blueray box set. With new extras!!!!!

-- So there's nothing actually officially announced about what will be on them and all the things that have been mentioned so far are just speculation then?

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New Blueray box set. With new extras!!!!!

  It is true but the extras are still to be determined. Joe Russo at "the other group" did an interview with them for the extras. It should come out in Oct.

.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/10/2008 10:39:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > No, nothing's been announced but Joe Russo heard it through the
Apevine
> >
>
> *** Not to mention that they actually asked for (and received) help
from Mr.
> Russo regarding this project. Thankfully we're getting input from
an actual
> APES expert. I hope his contibution(s) are used considerably,
because if his
> input on the DVD project is on par with his book, it ought to be
quite good. ***<BR><BR><BR>
> **************<BR>Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL
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> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?
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>

Came across these when I should have been working.

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527

There was also a couple that had already sold.

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331

Just thought people might find the info useful.

Considering the vintage, the price doesn't seem too steep when compared to some prices of "new" comic art.

I do wonder what Ploog was paid back in the 70's for the work.

I'm sure Marvel more than got their moneys worth !!!

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
> Came across these when I should have been working.
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527>
>
> There was also a couple that had already sold.
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331>
>
> Just thought people might find the info useful.
>
> Considering the vintage, the price doesn't seem too steep when compared
> to some prices of "new" comic art.
>
> I do wonder what Ploog was paid back in the 70's for the work.
>
> I'm sure Marvel more than got their moneys worth !!!
>
> Best,Graham.
>

Not Ploog but still nice and more money !!!

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504

Still more ...pretty ...

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6500

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6506

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6497

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6498

And I don't care what any one says I like the Vikings !!!

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6499

(but may be not at $5 grand...two and a half thousand quid in real money !!!)

Graham.

One I missed !!

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6505

Graham.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:02 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art

Not Ploog but still nice and more money !!!

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6504

Still more ...pretty ...

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6504

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6500

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6506

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6497

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6498

And I don't care what any one says I like the Vikings !!!

http://www.albertmo y.com/featured. asp?Piece= 6499

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re:Mike Ploog art

I remember these pages and Mike's art being a big influence on me in my own art.

.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Me too, Ploog would have to be my biggest influence of all I think.
>
> Neil
>

I don't think he ever topped that first issue of "Terror".

Jason running through the woods... great intense stuff !!!

I seem to remember seeing it first in the UK weekly but it can't have been that long after that I bought the US mag.

$700 ish for a page of Ploog or $5000 ish  for a cover...doesn't seem fair really... the page would have taken longer with much more work !!!

Back in the 90's there was always talk that a lot of "hip" modern comic artist would produce splash pages and spreads because they could get more cash for them when it came to the re-sale value...bugger the story.

Well I suppose it pays the bills.

(hmm... Terror...no,must resist lumping comic boxes around... it's 22.30 and I've got a bad arm )

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
> Came across these when I should have been working.
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527>
>
> There was also a couple that had already sold.
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331>
>
> Just thought people might find the info useful.
>
> Considering the vintage, the price doesn't seem too steep when
compared
> to some prices of "new" comic art.
>
> I do wonder what Ploog was paid back in the 70's for the work.
>
> I'm sure Marvel more than got their moneys worth !!!
>
> Best,Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Came across these when I should have been working.
> >
> > http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527
> > <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527>
> >
> > There was also a couple that had already sold.
> >
> > http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528
> > <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528>
> >
> > http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331
> > <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331>
> >
> > Just thought people might find the info useful.
> >
> > Considering the vintage, the price doesn't seem too steep when
> compared
> > to some prices of "new" comic art.
> >
> > I do wonder what Ploog was paid back in the 70's for the work.
> >
> > I'm sure Marvel more than got their moneys worth !!!
> >
> > Best,Graham.
> >
>
> Not Ploog but still nice and more money !!!
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504>
>
> Still more ...pretty ...
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6500
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6500>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6506
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6506>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6497
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6497>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6498
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6498>
>
> And I don't care what any one says I like the Vikings !!!
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6499
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6499>
>
> (but may be not at $5 grand...two and a half thousand quid in real
money
> !!!)
>
> Graham.
>

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill"
> <shop@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Came across these when I should have been working.
> >
> > http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527
> > <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6527>
> >
> > There was also a couple that had already sold.
> >
> > http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528
> > <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6528>
> >
> > http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331
> > <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6331>
> >
> > Just thought people might find the info useful.
> >
> > Considering the vintage, the price doesn't seem
> too steep when
> compared
> > to some prices of "new" comic art.
> >
> > I do wonder what Ploog was paid back in the 70's
> for the work.
> >
> > I'm sure Marvel more than got their moneys worth
> !!!
> >
> > Best,Graham.
> >
>
> Not Ploog but still nice and more money !!!
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504>
>
> Still more ...pretty ...
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6500
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6500>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6506
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6506>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6497
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6497>
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6498
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6498>
>
> And I don't care what any one says I like the
> Vikings !!!
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6499
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6499>
>
> (but may be not at $5 grand...two and a half
> thousand quid in real money
> !!!)
>
> Graham.
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art

so Neil in 30 years will we be paying 6 grand for your
stuff?!!

.

On 4/14/08, Neil Foster < ntfoster@...> wrote:

-- I doubt it but if anyone feels like coughing up that kind of cash now I will gladly accept it! ;-)

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art

so Neil in 30 years will we be paying 6 grand for your
stuff?!!

.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, $750 for original comic art over 30 years old. Mike Ploog is
> fantastic. Aside from Planet of the Apes, Man-thing was another comic
> obsession of mine that his art was really responsible for. Besides
> being incredibly talented, Ploog is surprisingly humble & takes pride
> in all the work he's been associated with over the years. It was an
> honor to meet him last year.
>

Still in the same price bracket !!

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6328

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Came across these when I should have been working.
>
> Ahh, Graham, you just caused me to have a nerdgasm! I've always had
> great affection for those old Marvel covers, and it's so wonderful to
> see some of them, at least, have survived.
>
> The cover to issue 14 was always my favourite, and although I didn't
> care for the story, yes, the Vikings look cool.
>
> Expensive though. Are those prices typical of cover art?
>
> Dave
>

Hi Dave, I think my favourite changes on an almost daily basis.

http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=2185

I've always liked #6, with so many figures and stuff going on it could have turned into a bit of a compositional nightmare but Larkin pulls it off and makes it look simple...very easy on the eye.

#12 is great that double image a stable of Pulp illustrators for 40 years !! good stuff...

Not as keen on #14 (horses for courses as it were)

I think I prefer Mcneil's Battle cover for #27. Though looking at my copy I don't think this one reproduced that well.

Dave do you like #14 because it's more "POTA Like", closer to the tv series/movie model ? if you see what I mean.

As you all know I don't really mind about that, hence the Vikings !!!

(Though I think Mcneil's doing a bit of Frazetta swiping with some of the background apes !! )

Anyone know what happened to Mcneil after these covers I don't recall seeing his work after POTA?

As for the price of cover... pretty much Dave...

http://www.alexrossart.com/artforsale.asp?afs=T&sc=ARPB2

(Captain America cover for 25 grand anyone ?)

 The same with splash pages hence my post below ...you can see why artist go for the big shot because of the re-sale price often to the detriment of the story involved.

Best,Graham.

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" smugster2000@ wrote:

> > Expensive though. Are those prices typical of cover art?
> >
> > Dave
> >
>

Here's a modern cover to compare.

http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6192

Single figure line work cover !!!

$12,000 !!!!

Those Ploogs are looking better every day !!!

Best,Graham.

(Too be fair it is Jim Lee on A Frank Miller comic plus an iconic character the Joker ...but stilll... I know which I'd buy if I had the cash.)

> Dave do you like #14 because it's more "POTA Like", closer to the tv
> series/movie model ? if you see what I mean.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Came across these when I should have been working.
>
> Ahh, Graham, you just caused me to have a nerdgasm! I've always had
> great affection for those old Marvel covers, and it's so wonderful to
> see some of them, at least, have survived.
>
> The cover to issue 14 was always my favourite, and although I didn't
> care for the story, yes, the Vikings look cool.
>
> Expensive though. Are those prices typical of cover art?
>
> Dave
>

> And I love the viking apes too, I might try to clean off the water mark
> on this picture as it's the best I'll get without selling my house.

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:48 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art

> -- A fantastic find, thanks very much Graham. It's so good to see
> thosecovers as they actually were without words splashed all over
> them. They
> look like 'real' paintings and not just comic covers, brilliant.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Graham Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:02 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art
>
>
>
>
> Not Ploog but still nice and more money !!!
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6504>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504
>
> Still more ...pretty ...
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6504>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6504
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6500>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6500
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6506>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6506
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6497>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6497
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6498>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6498
>
> And I don't care what any one says I like the Vikings !!!
>
> http://www.albertmo <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?
Piece=6499>
> y.com/featured.asp?Piece=6499
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=48073/stime=1208188923/nc1=5008817/nc2=3858797/nc3=3848614>
>
>
>

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B"
> <smugster2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill"
> <shop@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Came across these when I should have been
> working.
> >
> > Ahh, Graham, you just caused me to have a
> nerdgasm! I've always had
> > great affection for those old Marvel covers, and
> it's so wonderful to
> > see some of them, at least, have survived.
> >
> > The cover to issue 14 was always my favourite, and
> although I didn't
> > care for the story, yes, the Vikings look cool.
> >
> > Expensive though. Are those prices typical of
> cover art?
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
>
> Hi Dave, I think my favourite changes on an almost
> daily basis.
>
> http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=2185
> <http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=2185>
>
> I've always liked #6, with so many figures and stuff
> going on it could
> have turned into a bit of a compositional nightmare
> but Larkin pulls it
> off and makes it look simple...very easy on the eye.
>
> #12 is great that double image a stable of Pulp
> illustrators for 40
> years !! good stuff...
>
> Not as keen on #14 (horses for courses as it were)
>
> I think I prefer Mcneil's Battle cover for #27.
> Though looking at my
> copy I don't think this one reproduced that well.
>
> Dave do you like #14 because it's more "POTA Like",
> closer to the tv
> series/movie model ? if you see what I mean.
>
> As you all know I don't really mind about that,
> hence the Vikings !!!
>
> (Though I think Mcneil's doing a bit of Frazetta
> swiping with some of
> the background apes !! [:)] )
>
> Anyone know what happened to Mcneil after these
> covers I don't recall
> seeing his work after POTA?
>
> As for the price of cover... pretty much Dave...
>
>

>

>
> (Captain America cover for 25 grand anyone ?)
>
> The same with splash pages hence my post below
> ...you can see why
> artist go for the big shot because of the re-sale
> price often to the
> detriment of the story involved.
>
> Best,Graham.
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

> You mention modern cover artists being aware of the future value of
> their work - does that mean the likes of these artists saw their work
> just in terms of 'millions will see it, but it'll be forgotten by next
> month'? If so that makes these all the more amazing.
>

Hi Neil,

It was standard in the comic industry for the publishers to keep the original art from the 30's through to the mid 70's.

Eventually publishers started to return the originals to the artist.

The argument being that the publishers only bought the reproduction rights not the physical art. (Of-course with mainstream publishers like Marvel, the company would also retain the copyright and trademarks to the work, the artist being "work for Hire" for which they'ld get $300 a page or whatever for each page they'ld do.)

It's the opposite in the fine art world... if some one buys a painting in a gallery they've bought the physical object and can't reproduce it, as say post cards or stuff to sell (Some of the larger Museams and art galleries in the world have been caught by this over the years)

So comic artist have been getting the physical art back for a number of years and using it to supplement their income by selling to fans or collecters.

It has been suggested that a lot of guys started to draw pages with an eye to how much a page would fetch on this market rather than the needs of the story.

A big splash page of Batman with his cape billowing in the wind will sell for more than say Commissioner Gordon or a moody piece of Alfred making the tea.

Some of the older artist didn't really care that much for getting the work back.

(It's really only in recent years that the high prices have been seen)

I read a story about Steve Ditko ,creator of Spider-Man, using his old art boards as cutting boards.. he'd pick up the page flip it over and use it to lean on to cut card / paper etc .

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Although I've looked at these from time to time over the years, it was
> nice seeing them again, so thanks Graham.
>
> It does remind me though that I should see if I can find a few "Man
> thing" issues. Ironically, I bought the first 2 issues of that as a
> kid as well.
>
> Dario
>

 Hi Dario,

Not sure if your aware of ...but Marvel does a nice re-print of the early Man things.

http://tplist.millarworld.net/index.html"

Should still be available.

How goes your quest for the Diamond select "Megos" ?

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

Here is a message from "the other board" regarding a fan made timeline getting some attention, sounds like later on the summer:

> Hi, folks,
>
> Although I posted info on my site about this, I've held off announcing
> anything until now:
>
> Timeline Books, a startup publishing company being launched by Edward Gross
> (co-author with Joe Russo of Planet of the Apes Revisited, creator of <A HREF="http://voicesfromkrypton.com/">
> Voicesfromkrypton.com</A> and author of tons of sci-fi- and TV/movie-related books over the
> years) and Joe Bongiorno (creator of <A HREF="http://timelineuniverse.net/">Timelineuniverse.net</A> and a co-writer of
> mine on some projects for Lucasfilm) are going to be putting out a print
> version of my Planet of the Apes timeline, which used to be posted online at my
> Hasslein Curve site (which they asked me to take offline).
>
> I've completely rewritten and edited the timeline, adding a ton of new
> material and making it all a lot more approachable and accurate (when I first
> created the timeline, it was basically a data dump, and as such was waaaaay too
> wordy, but I was too tired after writing it to do a decent edit job). The book
> will be titled Timeline of the Planet of the Apes: The Definitive Chronology
> --it'll be an unofficial publication, but I'm just as psyched about it as I would
> be if it were officially licensed--and is expected to be available this
> summer. In putting together the print version, I managed to track down and
> interview a number of POTA comic and novel writers (including Doug Moench, Charles
> Marshall, Ty Templeton and a numbers of others). In so doing, I learned a lot
> about Apes stories that were planned but never published, which I've worked into
> the timeline.
>
> A cover image and additional information about the book will soon be
> available here:
> <A HREF="http://rhandley.0catch.com/POTA/">http://rhandley.0catch.com/POTA/
>
> </A>Timeline Books will also soon launch its official site. In the meantime, the
> company is selling mugs, mousepads and t-shirts to advertise my book. In
> case anyone is interested, here's the URL:
> <A HREF="http://www.cafepress.com/timelinebooks">http://www.cafepress.com/timelinebooks
>
> </A>Other titles are also in the works, from me and a few other authors. Too
> soon to post any other details, though.
>
> Rich
> (Anyone who is a member of the POTADG site, feel free to post this if you
> want to.)
========================================================

*** In regards to chronologizing the PLANET OF THE APES universe, I've recently had to rejigger my chronology of ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES. Here's why...

Up until recently, I had pegged the landing of the Ape-onauts as occurring on the date Tuesday, 25 September 1973 . I posted a rather lengthy message on this back on 7-31-2007 (so, if you'd like, go surf the POTADG archives for that message).

However, after pondering one particular detail from ESCAPE , it occurred to me that the Ape-onauts had to have landed off the coast of southern California sometime in mid-to-late November of 1973 instead... and it has to do with the reason Armando gave the name 'Salome' to "the first chimpanzee ever to be born in a circus!"

The name 'Salome' is best known as being the name of the daughter of Herodias. In the Gospels, there is the story of how Herodias' daughter--unnamed in the Bible, but whose name is given in the works of Josephus as "Salome"--danced for Herod the Tetrarch so excitingly that he promised to give to her anything she asked for... and, with her mother prompting her to do so, she demanded the head of John the Baptist on a platter.

Now... I ask you: Is it likely that Armando would name the first chimpanzee ever to be born in a circus after such a notoriously wicked woman? Well, I don't think that he would do so. I think he would name Heloise's daughter "Salome" for a wholly different reason.

Armando is a Roman Catholic. He wears a St. Francis of Assisi medallion around his neck, due to the fact that St. Francis was "a holy man who loved and cared for all animals" (as he tells Cornelius and Zira). He gives that medallion to Zira's baby, for protection. Now, non-Catholics might also have an appreciation for St. Francis--especially the folks who live in San Francisco, which was named after him--but it is more likely that a Catholic (like the Hispanic circus owner Armando) would be wearing a St. Francis medallion.

According to the Calendar of Saints in The Book of Calendars , the Feast Day of St. Francis of Assisi is October 4th. Several popularly-known feast days are St. Valentine's Day (February 14th), St. Patrick's Day (March 17th), and St. Crispin's Day (October 25th), the last one being famous for being the date of the Battle of Agincourt, on which Henry the Fifth made a famous rousing speech to his army, his "Crispin's Day Speech" ["... we few, we happy few, we band of brothers..."].

Every day of the Christian calendar, from January 1st through December 31st, is a feast day for a primary saint (like St. Francis, etc) and for several other lesser-known saints. And... the primary saint who has a feast day on October 22nd is named St. Salome . According to the Calendar of Saints, the lesser-known saints who share that feast day are the sister-Saints Alodia and Nunilona, St. Alexander, St. Mellon, and St. Flora. But the main saint of October 22 is St. Salome.

I think it is eminently more probable that Armando would name Heloise's daughter--the first chimpanzee ever to be born in a circus--after a Christian saint , rather than after a notorious strip-tease-dancing chick who (following her mother's lead) caused the death of John the Baptist. And the best reason Armando would have to choose the name "Salome" (rather than the name of some other Catholic female saint, such as St. Helena, St. Joan of Arc, St. Monica, etc) would be because she had been born on the feast day dedicated to St. Salome, October 22nd 1973 .

Armando tells Breck (et al.) that his performing ape (whom he knows is secretly named "Caesar"--the name which that chimp shall choose after Breck buys him at the auction) was "legally certified to have been born a month--a month!--before the talking apes arrived on Earth!" What he is really saying is that Heloise's daughter had been "legally certified" to have been born at that time... a date which, I now believe, must be October 22nd, 1973. That means that the Ape-onauts had to have landed around "a month" later, in mid-to-late November of 1973.

This tallies with Armando's line in ESCAPE , when he tells Zira and Cornelius that "in a month--in just one month!--we move on to our winter quarters in Florida." Winter begins on December 21st or 22nd usually (depending on Leap Year, etc), so it would make sense for Armando to say this line of dialogue sometime near the date November 21 or 22.

Currently, then, I've rejiggered my ESCAPE chronology so that Salome is born on October 22, 1973... the Ape-onauts arrive on Earth almost a whole month later on November 14, 1973 (give or take a day or so)... and the shoot-em-up at the derelict ship transpires on November 25, 1973 (give or take a day or so). I reckon that the events shown in the movie (from the landing of the Ape-onauts to their murder) transpire over the course of about 12 days... 13 "unlucky" days, tops. And one of those days has to be approximately "a month" after the birth of Salome (October 22) and approximately "one month" before the date when Armando would take his circus to their winter quarters in Florida.

I'm partial to a November 14-through-25 timeline right now, since I've figured that it is on the 5th day of ESCAPE --four days after their landing--that Zira collapses in the Museum and reveals that she's pregnant. That day would be November 18, 1973, which was a Sunday, a day when the Museum might conceivably have been closed to the general public (back then, the Day-of-Rest "blue" laws were enforced more rigidly than they are nowadays), affording a chance for Zira to be given a private tour of a place which would otherwise [on Monday-through-Saturday] have crowds of people around.

But I haven't set-it-in-stone yet, and might conceivably have reason to finesse the dates of ESCAPE a few days either way. However, I am convinced that an October 22 birthdate for Salome is virtually proven. Only on the Feast Day of St. Salome would a hardcore Catholic choose the name "Salome" for a baby girl. Otherwise, everybody would have reason to believe that he'd named her after Herodias' daughter, the most famous woman named Salome. Armando, when faced with people questioning the name he'd chosen for that baby chimp, would harp on and on about her birth : "... the first chimpanzee ever to be born in a circus!" It is Salome's birth that makes her special, the first circus-born chimpanzee. Like being the first baby to be born on the Moon! It was on that epochal day, the 22nd of October, that this amazing baby had been born... and, for a Catholic who probably takes his religion very seriously, it would make sense to name the child after that day's patron (or matron) saint, Salome.

Patrick Michael Tilton

EARTH-TIME 04-15-2008

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:52 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art / slight ot

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> >
> > Although I've looked at these from time to time over the years,
> it was
> > nice seeing them again, so thanks Graham.
> >
> > It does remind me though that I should see if I can find a few "Man
> > thing" issues. Ironically, I bought the first 2 issues of that as a
> > kid as well.
> >
> > Dario
> >
>
>
> Hi Dario,
>
> Not sure if your aware of ...but Marvel does a nice re-print of the
> early Man things.
>
> http://tplist.millarworld.net/index.html"
> <http://tplist.millarworld.net/index.html">
>
> Should still be available.
>
> How goes your quest for the Diamond select "Megos" ?
>
> Best,Graham.
>
>

>
>
> None of us would be here if it weren't for the late great Charlton
> Heston.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, $750 for original comic art over 30 years old. Mike Ploog is
> > fantastic. Aside from Planet of the Apes, Man-thing was another
comic
> > obsession of mine that his art was really responsible for. Besides
> > being incredibly talented, Ploog is surprisingly humble & takes
pride
> > in all the work he's been associated with over the years. It was
an
> > honor to meet him last year.
> >
>
>
> Still in the same price bracket !!
>
> http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6328
> <http://www.albertmoy.com/featured.asp?Piece=6328>
>
> Best,Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> I personally love Ploog's art
> All original art especially if cover art I think $750.00 is
reasonable for comics over 30 years ago
> if the artist is famous enough
> Keep in mind that there is only 1 copy in the world so you have
something unique and more personal as well
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> I do have a few of these Marvel "Essential" reprints, but I did not know
> that there was a "Man Thing" one available. Ironically, it was just a
> few months ago that I asked my 'comic guy' to see if he could get me yet
> another Ploog work in 'Essential' TPB format: "Monster of Frankenstein".
> But my guy says that he cannot order these Essential reprints like he
> can other 'regular' TPB's. But there are all over the place so I should
> be able to find both eventually.
>
> The Mego story is a bit uglier. Basically when comic dealers order them,
> they have to order them by the boxload where a box contains 8 figures.
> But Diamond will NOT guarantee that you get 4 of each figure (as the
> boxes are for the 'double set' orders). They are heavily discounted for
> the dealer and my guy was only going to charge me about $12 a figure. I
> was going to try to see if I could get 3 other people from here to split
> a box, but since I wasn't guaranteed and even 4 sets, I decided that
> that just wouldn't do. So now I'll just wait for them to be released and
> either find a set in a shop or go the old Ebay route.
>
> It was sad to see that Diamond doesn't make it easy for us to just buy
> what we want. You would think that just putting in 4 of each figure
> into a box was a simple enough thing to do. I suspect that this policy
> is in place to help them get rid of sets where there is a
> disproportionate order because one figure may be more popular than
> another. But the way I see it, it just makes for unhappy customers
> including the comic dealers themselves. My comic guy even called a few
> of the other comic shops around to see if they would split a box with
> him, but unfortunately the interest wasn't there. Not really surprised
> with both the 8 figure minimum and the lack of a guarantee as to what
> you really get.
>
> Dario
>
 It's a shame you're having problems with the figures Dario, I don't know if you re-call but I own a comic shop in the UK and as you say Diamond will not guarantee the mix but having said that most if not all of Diamond selects figures have been even packed cases.

As for the Essential Manthing ... should still be easy for him to get can't see why they're treated any different than other trades... ?

May be the weight stings him because of the freight charges compared to the cover price.

(which is quite low if compared to the page count/size)

As you say though, you should be able to get it pretty easy.

ohh.. there's a Ghost Rider volume with early Ploog as well !!!

Best,Graham,

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> I read Patrick's heartfelt and thoughtful tribute to Heston and found
> myself more moved by it than anything else I'd seen published
> elsewhere...

... but there's no one
> out there that could have written it better!
>
> Thanks Pat!
>
> Dave
>

Just like to say well ...What he Said!!!

Thanks Pat.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> well...the links came through with some spaces....take
> the spaces out and they will work...
>
>
> --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> > I just talked to Dirk who owns the lowbrow gallery
> > in
> > Atlanta and he said that there were 500 people there
> > Saturday night for the opening of the "Damn Dirty
> > Ape" show! The biggest crowd he's had at an opening!
> > He said it was a lot of fun.....
> >
> > Pics from opening night can be seen here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/DDAOpeningNightPh
otos.htmlbr> > >
> > the art can be seen here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/DamnDirtyApe.htmlbr> > >
> > I did not get to go but I did order the set of three
> > "Circuspunks" by Jason Kuchis.......they arrived
> > today and they are awesome..... The glyphs spell his
> > last name..!
> >
> > I wanted to buy the piece called "Timeless" but he
> > sold it yesterday....
> >
> > So check them out and if you are in Atlanta , it
> > runs
> > til April 3
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:24 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art / slight ot

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I do have a few of these Marvel "Essential" reprints, but I did not
> know
> > that there was a "Man Thing" one available. Ironically, it was
> just a
> > few months ago that I asked my 'comic guy' to see if he could
> get me
> yet
> > another Ploog work in 'Essential' TPB format: "Monster of
> Frankenstein".
> > But my guy says that he cannot order these Essential reprints
> like he
> > can other 'regular' TPB's. But there are all over the place so I
> should
> > be able to find both eventually.
> >
> > The Mego story is a bit uglier. Basically when comic dealers order
> them,
> > they have to order them by the boxload where a box contains 8
> figures.> But Diamond will NOT guarantee that you get 4 of each
> figure (as the
> > boxes are for the 'double set' orders). They are heavily discounted
> for
> > the dealer and my guy was only going to charge me about $12 a
> figure.I
> > was going to try to see if I could get 3 other people from here to
> split
> > a box, but since I wasn't guaranteed and even 4 sets, I decided
that
> > that just wouldn't do. So now I'll just wait for them to be
released
> and
> > either find a set in a shop or go the old Ebay route.
> >
> > It was sad to see that Diamond doesn't make it easy for us to
> just buy
> > what we want. You would think that just putting in 4 of each figure
> > into a box was a simple enough thing to do. I suspect that this
> policy> is in place to help them get rid of sets where there is a
> > disproportionate order because one figure may be more popular than
> > another. But the way I see it, it just makes for unhappy customers
> > including the comic dealers themselves. My comic guy even called
> a few
> > of the other comic shops around to see if they would split a box
> with> him, but unfortunately the interest wasn't there. Not really
> surprised> with both the 8 figure minimum and the lack of a
> guarantee as to what
> > you really get.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> It's a shame you're having problems with the figures Dario, I don't
> know if you re-call but I own a comic shop in the UK and as you say
> Diamond will not guarantee the mix but having said that most if
> not all
> of Diamond selects figures have been even packed cases.
>
> As for the Essential Manthing ... should still be easy for him to get
> can't see why they're treated any different than other trades... ?
>
> May be the weight stings him because of the freight charges
> compared to
> the cover price.
>
> (which is quite low if compared to the page count/size)
>
> As you say though, you should be able to get it pretty easy.
>
> ohh.. there's a Ghost Rider volume with early Ploog as well !!!
>
> Best,Graham,
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ploog was on Ghost Rider as well? Thanks as I did not know that. It
> was never a favorite line of comics for me but to be honest I never
> really checked out the title in it's early days and have only read the
> odd story here and there. The movie did not whet my appetite for more
> GR.

Yeah Ploog is the Co-creator of the character.

GR's first appearance was in Marvel Spotlight #5 and continued until #11, Ploog did the first four (until #8).
>
> Onto other stuff...
>
> Fellow facebook'er Graham found a facebook group dedicated to LUG. LUG
> was the publisher that put out the Apes mags in France. The one with
> all those weird covers.
> The group members are all french (with the exception of Graham) but
> I'm fully biligual so when I have a few minutes I'm going to craft a
> query to put to the group members there to see if I can gleem more
> info on how the POTA issues came to have such odd covers. If I get
> anything new I'll be posting here. I wouldn't get too excited right
> away as there was a lot of other titles the publisher put out
> including a lot of other Marvel licensed variants. The group may just
> be a bunch of people who were more into the other titles or just a
> group that enjoyed the mags without know more about the historical
> aspects. But the group discription provided a pretty decent summary of
> the company itself so perhaps there is an old 'insider' connection.
>
> Wish me luck
>
> Dario
>
>
Cool, I was wondering how I could get some info out of them !!! not speaking French that is !! (I can barely speak English ... have you seen my spelling... I should really proof these posts !!!)

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I just talked to Dirk who owns the lowbrow gallery in
> Atlanta and he said that there were 500 people there
> Saturday night for the opening of the "Damn Dirty
> Ape" show! The biggest crowd he's had at an opening!
> He said it was a lot of fun.....
>

From the pics it did seem to draw a crowd.

Did you go yourself Tim ?

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> It's great to find out it was such a success.
>
> I wasn't able to make the link work, but found some info on other
> blogs...discovered they sold T-shirts from one of the photographs on the
> blogs, and just bought myself one. Yay me! It was the only thing I could
> afford...Plus, they said they were running out.
>
> Jessica.
>

Hi Jessica what were the T-shirts like ..I've looked through the photos on the galleries web site but couldn't see them...

Best,Graham.

As Dario says there's a little site on Facebook covering the French publisher of POTA comics.

If you're on Face Book you might want to check it out.

They show most of the Apes covers.

Here's one :-

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/n1045480772_52040_2546.jpg

They also show lots of French painted versions of Marvel US covers which are great to compare to the originals .

Here's a couple :-

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/n1045480772_53400_3688.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/n1045480772_54667_796.jpg

Best,Graham.

> As Dario says there's a little site on Facebook covering the French
> publisher of POTA comics.

> If you're on Face Book you might want to check it out.

> They show most of the Apes covers.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Graham Hill <shop@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> It's great to find out it was such a success.
>
> I wasn't able to make the link work, but found some info on other
> blogs...discovered they sold T-shirts from one of the photographs on the
> blogs, and just bought myself one. Yay me! It was the only thing I could
> afford...Plus, they said they were running out.
>
> Jessica.
>

Hi Jessica what were the T-shirts like ..I've looked through the photos on the galleries web site but couldn't see them...

Best,Graham.

--- On Thu, 4/17/08, Graham Hill <shop@...> wrote:

> From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Damn Dirty Ape Show in Atlanta
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:06 AM
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just talked to Dirk who owns the lowbrow gallery in
> > Atlanta and he said that there were 500 people there
> > Saturday night for the opening of the "Damn Dirty
> > Ape" show! The biggest crowd he's had at an
> opening!
> > He said it was a lot of fun.....
> >
>
>
> From the pics it did seem to draw a crowd.
>
> Did you go yourself Tim ?
>
> Best,Graham.