--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Graham,
>
> The t-shirt photo was on someone's blog. Scroll down the link below. There
> is a photograph of it on the door.
>
> http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?t=101829
> 
 Thanks for the link Jessica.

Best,Graham.

>
> Graham,
>
> The t-shirt photo was on someone's blog. Scroll down the link

> is a photograph of it on the door.
>
> http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?t=101829
>
> Jessica
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Graham Hill <shop@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@>

> > >
> > > It's great to find out it was such a success.
> > >
> > > I wasn't able to make the link work, but found some info on

> > > blogs...discovered they sold T-shirts from one of the

> > > blogs, and just bought myself one. Yay me! It was the only

> > > afford...Plus, they said they were running out.
> > >
> > > Jessica.
> > >
> >
> > Hi Jessica what were the T-shirts like ..I've looked through the

> > the galleries web site but couldn't see them...
> >
> > Best,Graham.
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton" > wrote:
> >
> >
> > None of us would be here if it weren't for the late great Charlton
> > Heston.
>
> I read Patrick's heartfelt and thoughtful tribute to Heston and found
> myself more moved by it than anything else I'd seen published
> elsewhere. I'm pleased to say that Pat has granted Simian Scrolls
> permission to print the piece in our next issue. We could have written
> our own tribute, we could have made it different, but there's no one
> out there that could have written it better!
>
> Thanks Pat!
>
> Dave

Okay, folks, I'm askin' for some help here.

For some reason -- and I can't, for the life of me, figure it out -- I seem to recall reading either in one of Effinger's novelizations or in one of the TV show teleplays some reference to the astronauts having participated in a "Mars run"... a "Saturn run"... something like that.

The trouble is, I've scanned through my Effinger novelizations and my TV show scripts... and I just can't find the damned passage. I'm starting to think that it may have been a detail written in one of the many fanfics over on Kassidy's site... but some goofy part of my brain is telling me that it predates all this internet stuff!

I don't remember, offhand, ever seeing such a reference in the actual aired TV episodes... but I would have to watch 'em all again, just to be absolutely sure of that!

Help me out here, people. Does anybody here know the reference I'm talking about? I think it was a reference (spoken by Burke...?) regarding a "Mars run"... supposedly one of the astronautic endeavors he had participated in prior to the Alpha Centauri mission. I could just be losing my friggin' mind, but Geez Louise, it's like it's on the tip of my tongue. I did a Google search and came up empty. Maybe somebody here has the crucial clue...?

ARGGHHH! HELLLLLPPP!

Frustratingly yours,

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/2008 4:14:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> These people say they have the POTA jail wagon! Is that it??
>
>
>
> Hard to say. Most circus wagons look alike
> and for good reason. They're a cage on wheels.
> I can definitely say it's not the wagon from Beneath.
> I know that doesn't help. Screengrabs anyone? Bueller?
>
>
>
>

I see they say it appeared in Escape so I assume they mean a circus wagon as you say T ...

could they mean the wagon at the end with baby Ceasar/Milo ?

I think the wagon from Planet (Could be Beneath) is owned by a UK fan Shane Richie...

It was going to be a centre piece of the Ape show at the spring Memorabilia show 2007 in Birmingham.

I think Dave B will have more details on that one.?

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:

I pretty much know all of that stuff verbatim, Patrick -- and even I
can't remember...

Maybe you dreamt it? Lay off the cheese before bedtime ;)

Mark T-B

Marvel has just confirmed their long rumoured Marvel Apes series.

More info here :-

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154341

Best,Graham.

--- On Sun, 4/20/08, Graham Hill <shop@...> wrote:

> From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Jail Wagon
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 9:24 AM
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/19/2008 4:14:24 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> > apefan23@... writes:
> >
> > These people say they have the POTA jail wagon! Is
> that it??
> >
> >
> >
> > Hard to say. Most circus wagons look alike
> > and for good reason. They're a cage on wheels.
> > I can definitely say it's not the wagon from
> Beneath.
> > I know that doesn't help. Screengrabs anyone?
> Bueller?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> I see they say it appeared in Escape so I assume they mean
> a circus
> wagon as you say T ...
>
> could they mean the wagon at the end with baby Ceasar/Milo
> ?
>
> I think the wagon from Planet (Could be Beneath) is owned
> by a UK fan
> Shane Richie...
>
> It was going to be a centre piece of the Ape show at the
> spring
> Memorabilia show 2007 in Birmingham.
>
> I think Dave B will have more details on that one.?
>
> Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> You know I just don't read things carefully enough...

 Tell me about it !!!

 I think most of us fall into the same trap... the curse of the inter-net !!! ...one of the reasons why I don't think printed books are going to disappear any time soon is we just don't read the same off of a screen.

Best,Graham (King Canute)

----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:37 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel Apes slightly OT

>
> Marvel has just confirmed their long rumoured Marvel Apes series.
>
> More info here :-
>
> http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154341
> <http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154341>
>
> Best,Graham.
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> When I first read that, I immediately thought that Marvel was going
to
> have an Ape series meaning POTA. Alas that is not the case. So for a
> minute, I was on cloud nine, and then came crashing back to Earth.
<Sigh>
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
> Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:37 am
> Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel Apes slightly OT
>
> >
> > Marvel has just confirmed their long rumoured Marvel Apes series.
> >
> > More info here :-
> >
> > http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154341
> > <http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154341>
> >
> > Best,Graham.
> >
> >
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I think I stumbled across Graham's photobucket album while hunting
for
> Apes pics. A few Apes painting's in there a don't recall ever seeing.
> Always fantastic work Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think I ever posted pics of my finished forearm Planet of the
> Apes tattoos. I added pics in the art folder. My sleeve is almost
> complete. Next is Zira as the virgin mother on the backside of my
> forearm. (yeah, I know. I'm going straight to Hell.)
>
>
  Hi John, where did you put it ? I'm having trouble finding it.

I've looked in the files and the photos !!!

(Jeez.. you'ld never believe I was a mod'... I shouldn't be let near a PC)

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> Hi John, where did you put it ? I'm having trouble finding it.
>
> I've looked in the files and the photos !!!
>
> (Jeez.. you'ld never believe I was a mod'... I shouldn't be let near a
> PC)
>
> Best,Graham.
>

John I've found them... doh... I am so useless,

Like the stigmata on Ceasar, good touch !!!

Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I think I stumbled across Graham's photobucket album while hunting for
> Apes pics. A few Apes painting's in there a don't recall ever seeing.
> Always fantastic work Graham.
>

Ohh... you've found me out !!

I've always got something on the go !!!

Here's a direct link...

http://s178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/

 I've even added a couple more (Though a lot are just works in progress, or messing about and not really complete pics)

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> >
> > I think I stumbled across Graham's photobucket album while
hunting for
> > Apes pics. A few Apes painting's in there a don't recall ever
seeing.
> > Always fantastic work Graham.
> >
>
>
> Ohh... you've found me out !! [;)]
>
> I've always got something on the go !!!
>
> Here's a direct link...
>
> http://s178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/
> <http://s178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/>
>
> I've even added a couple more (Though a lot are just works in
progress,
> or messing about and not really complete pics)
>
> Best,Graham.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Graham's been holdin' out on us! ;)

hh... you've found me out !!

I've always got something on the go !!!

Here's a direct link...

http://s178. photobucket. com/albums/ w252/hill1965200 0/

 I've even added a couple more (Though a lot are just works in progress, or messing about and not really complete pics)

.

--- On Wed, 4/23/08, John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> From: John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Speaking of holding out...
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 11:36 AM
> I don't think I ever posted pics of my finished forearm
> Planet of the
> Apes tattoos. I added pics in the art folder. My sleeve is
> almost
> complete. Next is Zira as the virgin mother on the backside
> of my
> forearm. (yeah, I know. I'm going straight to Hell.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John"
> <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
> >
> > I think I stumbled across Graham's photobucket
> album while hunting
> for
> > Apes pics. A few Apes painting's in there a
> don't recall ever seeing.
> > Always fantastic work Graham.
> >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Bloody brilliant as usual Graham. I'm especially intrigued by this
> one:
>
>
>
> Is this for anything special? Will it be finished (I certainly hope so
> from what I've seen so far!).
>
> Neil
>
>

Which ones this Neil ?, the post is just coming up blank ,no picture.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Ever tried using an airbrush, Graham?
>
> I hate the bloody things, but if you persevere they can give you
> subtle effects that you just can't achieve any other way.
>
> Dave
>

I tried once when I was a teenager ... for about 4 hours ... 3 1/2 cleaning the damn thing !!!.

Definitely not my sort of thing and you've got to remember I was a fine art student in the 80's, so air brush.. ooh that's a tool of Satan !!!

(One of my tutors still looked on acrylic paint with some suspicion)

Do you use one on your kits ?

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>

>
> Hey, I wonder if I can milk this the way Eric Greene did his
> political views of Planet of the Apes? Maybe I'll be doing commentary
> on the new Blu ray discs!! Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!
>
>

With- out  doubt John we need to see those arms in high definition !!!

Best, Graham.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Graham's been holdin' out on us! ;)

Which ones this Neil ?, the post is just coming up blank ,no picture.

.

> Do you use one on your kits ?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Sorry Graham, it's the one named as 'Untitled-7', with the close up
> gorilla on the left with what looks like a couple more gorillas in the
> background (which is an orange / yellow colour)
>
> Neil
>

Yeah I've got to get back to this one.

This is a sketch/ photo shopy thing  just to try and see what direction to go in.

I kind of like it like this though, trying for a much more graphic look so I think I'll keep this one.

Now the "real" painting is stuck at one of my underpainting stages... not really sure  how to proceed with it.

(It's a quite small picture just a4 size which really doesn't give me a lot of room when I'm slopping the oil paints about !!  too fiddley (SP) the idea was, because it was small it would be quicker and less of a problem scanning, no such look.)

I'll  try and do a quick scan and play to show you what it sort of looks like at the minute.

Not really done for anything special ... you know, might come in handy one day.

Best,Graham.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shanter2002
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] I Love Chronicles

Worth the price on its own ,however, is
the totally inspired and magnicicently executed MAD-style strip by Neil
Foster and Mike Whitty.

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shanter2002
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] I Love Chronicles

I'm delighted to see Chronicles, the daddy of
all Apes 'zines, alive and kicking.My only gripe is...where's Veetus
gone??!!

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:48 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Mike Ploog art / ang LUG on Facebook

Ploog was on Ghost Rider as well? Thanks as I did not know that.

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:50 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] APES CHRONICLES

Has anyone on here received their newest issues of APES CHRONICLES yet?

I remember Mr. Hoknes said they were all ready and were being sent out the last time they were mentioned on here.

I'm very curious about the content of the four (or was it five) issues to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of PLANET. I'd like to have an idea of what is in them before I buy them,

.

> Mark, I was just wondering that when new photos are
> uploaded to any of these premier POTA sites if it would be at all
> possible for the DG to be informed or provided with a link maybe?
> It would be much appreciated if this was at all possible

This post concerns my POTA scenario, so those of you who don't dig it might as well ignore it. Otherwise, read on...

In the beginning of the 3rd movie, after the ANSA ship is beached with the help of a cable attached to it, reeled in by a winch on a halftrack, a helicopter lands on the beach between the shoreline lined with soldiers and the sloping cliff. A Sergeant sees the 3 officers get out of the helicopter, then tells his commanding officer, "The General, sir."

In the screenplay, this "General" is referred to as a "Colonel" instead. And Jerry Pournelle's novelization makes this character out to be an "Admiral Jardin". But, as far as I'm concerned--and for the sake of my anal-about-the-onscreen-details--the guy's a General, and that's that!

The President, later on, tells the Joint Chiefs (etc) in his Oval Office the next day that the mysterious spacecraft was "one of two" that had "gone missing" [the TV anchorman reports that the two ships were said to have disintegrated in orbit]... in specific, the one commanded by Colonel Taylor.

Of course, the filmmakers intended for us to think of this ESCAPE ship as if it were the same ship we saw in PLANET (and not the one we saw in BENEATH)... but, as we all know, the niggling differences between the PLANET ship and the ESCAPE ship are too important to dismiss. The ESCAPE ship has its front hatch still attached... Dodge had "blown the hatch" of the PLANET ship. The ESCAPE ship has a gull-wing portside hatch in the cockpit... and the PLANET ship didn't . And--if we are to take the interior cockpit images of the ESCAPE ship (see Phil Broad's site) as "canon"... then this ship had only 3 seats in it, just like the ship Virdon commanded. And unlike the opening images of PLANET, with its 2-port and 2-starboard sets of chairs. Etc etc etc.

My scenario has it that Virdon's ship lifted off from Cape Kennedy in late 1971, to make a Jump (or warp journey) to the Alpha Centauri system, which it would reach after a few days of SHIP-TIME... during which about 9 years of EARTH-TIME would go by, so that they would arrive there in 1980 (as the opening credits shows).

Then, according to my scenario, Taylor and two male astronauts [undoubtedly Landon and Dodge], wearing full-pressure suits with helmets , lifted off from Cape Kennedy in mid-January of 1972. Their mission--as far as the public would be told--was to do a fly-by around the Moon in preparation for the "Moon landing" that the TV announcer in ESCAPE will eventually mention. Their real mission is to rocket to the farside Lagrangian position and--when nobody on Earth can see them--proceed to make their Jump to the site in the Solar System where their Orion Mission command ship has just finished its construction phase. For a number of reasons, I've chosen to make that site the Lagrangian point [or, gravitational libration point] between the Sun and Jupiter.

The public would be led to believe that this supposed NASA mission resulted in the 3 astronauts dying when the ship [actually, only a booster] plows through the atmosphere on re-entry, burning up. As the TV reporter says, it was thought to have "disintegrated in orbit". In reality, though, it had Jumped from the Moon's farside L-point to the L-point near Jupiter (where the gravitational pull of the Sun and of Jupiter cancel each other out). Then, after Taylor & Landon & Dodge dock that 3-seater ANSA shuttle in the shuttlebay of their ORION Mission ship, they take off the 3 spacesuits and don the ANSA uniforms we'll see them in at the beginning of PLANET, joining the rest of the crew of the Orion Mission.

Back to that "General" who helicoptered over to Zuma Beach to greet the astronauts who had just splashed down into the southeast corner of sector Alpha Charlie.

This is "one of two" nearly identical spaceships that had been deemed "missing"... but which one could it be? Is it Virdon's ship? Or Taylor's?

When they get the hatch open, the General is able to see that whoever is inside it, they were wearing full-body spacesuits . And, as we saw in the TV show's pilot episode, Virdon & Burke & Jones were not wearing such spacesuits. They were wearing the ANSA uniforms. The TV credit sequence shows the entire cockpit, and there's no trace of such bulky spacesuits (with helmets, etc) visible... nor is there any room for them. Virdon & crew went into Outer Space without the aid of such EVA suits, not having an airlock to go through, obviously.

When the General sees spacesuited "astro"-nauts emerging from the beached spacecraft, he assumes that these three must be Taylor and his crew. Taylor and his two-man crew (probably Dodge and Landon). Taylor's 3-seater must've lifted off without Stewart . Otherwise, it would've been a 4-seater ship on Zuma Beach. Notice that the General does not say, "Welcome, ladies and gentlemen , to the United States..." He assumes that the crew was made up exclusively of male astronauts, saying, "Welcome, gentlemen, to the United St--!"

In my scenario, the ORION Mission command ship [the "mothership"] had a total crew complement of around 12 or 13. Taylor's ship (i.e. the ESCAPE ship) brought the total up to that number. Brent and 'his' so-called "Skipper" were two of the other ten or so astronauts. Stewart was one of several women astronauts along for the duration of that colonizing mission. When it came time for Taylor's crew to go into hibernation, they were to sleep the "long sleep" in the 4 sleep-chambers in one of the other two ANSA shuttles... the 4-seater shuttles. There were no hibernation chambers in the 3-seater shuttle that Taylor and the other 2 men (Dodge and Landon) had flown from Cape Kennedy to the Rendezvous. The overall plan called for every crewmember to spend 12 of the 18 months of SHIP-TIME in hibernation. In case of catastrophe (i.e. the nuclear power plant going critical, something like that), the Mothership would drop out of warp... the 2 primary ANSA shuttles would detach and, using thrusters, move away from the Mothership and then Jump (or Warp) to whatever destination was viable. Some of the Orion Mission crew would hibernate in chambers located in the Mothership. Taylor, Dodge, Landon, and one of the females (Stewart) would hibernate in that 4-seater shuttle so that--just in case of a catastrophe--if they had to automatically detach from the Mothership and warp to their destination, at the very least they would have a breeding pool to colonize the planet they were heading to.

That was the plan, anyway.

Needless to say, the true nature of the Mission wouldn't be made public knowledge. The public had already been given a fake cover-story ("disintegrated in orbit")... and the President elected the year after their Launch had been told a different lie: that the ship had gone "missing". But Hasslein probably knew the true nature of the Orion Mission: to colonize an Earthlike planet orbiting a Sunlike star located 320 lightyears away from Earth in the constellation Orion. By late 1971 (at the latest) they had the technology to pull it off, but they needed to fool the world -- especially the Soviets and the Chinese -- that these spaceflights were mere rocket-journeys around the Moon. Unsuccessful journeys, at that. Hasslein (and the President who preceded the one played by William Windom) had to have been part of a "conspiracy" (if you will) to establish America as a spacefaring nation... keeping its Near-Lightspeed warp technology secret from everybody -- especially from NASA . They would use the NASA facility at Cape Kennedy to launch two of their spaceships (which they would pretend are mere rocket-type vehicles), using other strictly military sites to do "missile tests" which are actually the launches of other ANSA vehicles.

The trick is to get them up into space... and out of eyesight of not only ground-based telescopes, but also away from the prying eyes of foreign surveillance satellites. Some supposedly "unmanned" military missiles (carrying "satellites" for the Defense Department) would "unfortunately" explode up in the Low-Earth-Orbit position it had barely reached... not! Actually, the "payload" (an ANSA shuttle and/or cargo missile) would make a Jump into hyperspace to its Rendezvous position at the Sol-Jupiter L-point. It would just vanish with a burst of gamma rays in its wake. The Soviets (et al.) would smile and shake their heads at the bad luck of those poor Americans, trying to get their spy satellites up. And, publicly, the U.S. military would feign disappointment... whilst the ANSA program secretly smiled at these successes.

The eventual plan would include the U.S.A. informing the world that it had developed the technology to go to the Stars... and that colonizing missions were already underway . They would inform the People that guys like Landon are not dead... they're still alive , with their own Self-Time slowed down, aging at a rate of 3.6615 EARTH-YEARS every SHIP-TIME day. They would reach their destination in the late 40th Century, having aged only 18 months. And, those on Earth who would finally be told about their heroic mission would make a life-sized bronze statue for each of them... for, never let it be said that we forget our heroes...

But in November of 1973, when everybody outside the "need-to-know" of ANSA falsely believed that Taylor, Dodge, and Landon had been in space for almost 2 years... and would undoubtedly have died from starvation... the ship returns and lands off the coast of California. Three men in spacesuits launched from Cape Kennedy... and now three spacesuited "people" have just emerged from the capsule. At first, the General had asked, "Is anybody in that thing?" and had been told, "I don't know; we just beached it." When he gave the order to "open it up" he probably expected the frogmen to see the corpses of Taylor, Landon, and Dodge inside. Probably dead from taking cyanide capsules in case their mission went sour.

But the three astronauts emerged alive! The General, assuming that it's the same three male astronauts who had launched that ship in January of 1972, says: "Welcome, gentlemen, to the United St--!"

Gentlemen. That word excludes the possibility of there being a female astronaut (be she from NASA or ANSA). The General uses the word "gentlemen" because he knows that this ship carried only 3 astronauts in it, not 4. Colonel Taylor, Lieutenant Dodge and Lieutenant Landon, all males. He probably doesn't even know about Lieutenant Stewart, who probably got to the Sol-Jupiter L-point Rendezvous/Construction site in a different launch vehicle... perhaps a supposed military satellite payload that "exploded" above the atmosphere (i.e. that made a Jump through hyperspace that only looked like an explosion to foreign spy satellites).

The biggest mystery, of course, is why the hell they redesigned the interior of the spacecraft (as shown in the production photos at Phil Broad's site), to give it only 3 seats. If they truly intended for us to think that this is the same ship we saw in PLANET, why didn't they just re-use the interiors they built for the first film?

Well, I already know the answer to that. They wanted the "surprise" moment where the Astronauts take off their helmets (a surprise almost as shocking as when the Mutants take off their masksin BENEATH). But in order for that shot to happen, these Astronauts had to be wearing full spacesuits with opaque helmets. And if they were to slavishly rebuild Taylor's spaceship, they would have to get those astronauts (in those bulky spacesuits) out through the "escape tunnel" to the Hatch near the nosecone. And that would've been too unwieldy an operation. They had to "invent" a gull-wing cockpit hatch, for easier egress.

Regardless of what they intended for us to think about this ship (i.e. that it somehow was the same one we saw in PLANET), the differences are just too glaring, and it affords guys like me the opportunity to take these details at face-value and invent a plot that explains 'em!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Yeah he did the first couple of issues didn't he?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Dario Sciola
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Mike Ploog art / ang LUG on Facebook
>
>
>
>
> Ploog was on Ghost Rider as well? Thanks as I did not know that.
>
> .
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> 1994, more than 35 years after the last strip had
> appeared

----- Original Message -----
From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:48 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Mike Ploog art / ang LUG on Facebook

>
> Ploog was on Ghost Rider as well? Thanks as I did not know that. It
> was never a favorite line of comics for me but to be honest I never
> really checked out the title in it's early days and have only read
> the
> odd story here and there. The movie did not whet my appetite for
> more
> GR.
>
> Onto other stuff...
>
> Fellow facebook'er Graham found a facebook group dedicated to LUG.
> LUG
> was the publisher that put out the Apes mags in France. The one
> with
> all those weird covers.
> The group members are all french (with the exception of Graham) but
> I'm fully biligual so when I have a few minutes I'm going to craft
> a
> query to put to the group members there to see if I can gleem more
> info on how the POTA issues came to have such odd covers. If I get
> anything new I'll be posting here. I wouldn't get too excited right
> away as there was a lot of other titles the publisher put out
> including a lot of other Marvel licensed variants. The group may
> just
> be a bunch of people who were more into the other titles or just a
> group that enjoyed the mags without know more about the historical
> aspects. But the group discription provided a pretty decent summary
> of
> the company itself so perhaps there is an old 'insider' connection.
>
> Wish me luck
>
> Dario
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:24 pm
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mike Ploog art / slight ot
>
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I do have a few of these Marvel "Essential" reprints, but I did
> not> know
> > > that there was a "Man Thing" one available. Ironically, it was
> > just a
> > > few months ago that I asked my 'comic guy' to see if he could
> > get me
> > yet
> > > another Ploog work in 'Essential' TPB format: "Monster of
> > Frankenstein".
> > > But my guy says that he cannot order these Essential reprints
> > like he
> > > can other 'regular' TPB's. But there are all over the place so I
> > should
> > > be able to find both eventually.
> > >
> > > The Mego story is a bit uglier. Basically when comic dealers order
> > them,
> > > they have to order them by the boxload where a box contains 8
> > figures.> But Diamond will NOT guarantee that you get 4 of each
> > figure (as the
> > > boxes are for the 'double set' orders). They are heavily
> discounted> for
> > > the dealer and my guy was only going to charge me about $12 a
> > figure.I
> > > was going to try to see if I could get 3 other people from here to
> > split
> > > a box, but since I wasn't guaranteed and even 4 sets, I decided
> that
> > > that just wouldn't do. So now I'll just wait for them to be
> released
> > and
> > > either find a set in a shop or go the old Ebay route.
> > >
> > > It was sad to see that Diamond doesn't make it easy for us to
> > just buy
> > > what we want. You would think that just putting in 4 of each
> figure> > into a box was a simple enough thing to do. I suspect
> that this
> > policy> is in place to help them get rid of sets where there is a
> > > disproportionate order because one figure may be more popular than
> > > another. But the way I see it, it just makes for unhappy customers
> > > including the comic dealers themselves. My comic guy even
> called
> > a few
> > > of the other comic shops around to see if they would split a
> box
> > with> him, but unfortunately the interest wasn't there. Not
> really
> > surprised> with both the 8 figure minimum and the lack of a
> > guarantee as to what
> > > you really get.
> > >
> > > Dario
> > >
> > It's a shame you're having problems with the figures Dario, I don't
> > know if you re-call but I own a comic shop in the UK and as you say
> > Diamond will not guarantee the mix but having said that most if
> > not all
> > of Diamond selects figures have been even packed cases.
> >
> > As for the Essential Manthing ... should still be easy for him to
> get> can't see why they're treated any different than other
> trades... ?
> >
> > May be the weight stings him because of the freight charges
> > compared to
> > the cover price.
> >
> > (which is quite low if compared to the page count/size)
> >
> > As you say though, you should be able to get it pretty easy.
> >
> > ohh.. there's a Ghost Rider volume with early Ploog as well !!!
> >
> > Best,Graham,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> I mentioned a while back that Graham had stumbled upon a Facebook group
> dedicated to the old French LUG magazines which printed out the French
> POTA mags in the seventies. I traded a few messages with one of the guys
> there that knew quite a bit about the history of the magazine (and the
> others around at the time), but I wasn't able to muster up much new
> information for POTA specifically. As the covers are very distinct for
> the french magazines conpared to the many other foreign editions, I did
> find out that the artist's name was Jean Frisano. The Frisano is a
> family of painters and while Jean himself has passed away (1989), his
> son continues the tradition and has a commemerative area on his web site
> for his father:
>
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/thomas.frisano2/Tableauxangl.htm
>
> Other than the fact that POTA was combined with "Doc Savage" as of issue
> #13, there is no rationale for some of the more bizzare covers. (That's
> what I was really hoping to find out).
>
> Most of you have already seen the covers that are all on hunters site,
> but in case you have not, here is another site where you can see them:
> http://www.comicsvf.com/fs/8718.php
>
> Corresponding with the group it appears that the stories are all the
> same as the US version but they ended at 19 in stead of 29, so they have
> less content. While we could not determine if the translations were
> verbatim (or as direct as possible), it appears that the French censor
> were very strict at the time and were notorious for editing out stuff in
> other magazines, so it's possible that the same was done to the POTA
> editions. Unless I get my hands on some one day, I wont be able to check
> myself.
>
> I think that's all we'll get from the Facebook group unless some older
> folks join someday who can provide more info.
>
> Dario

Thanks for all the work you've put in Dario.

Great to find out the artist name.

The onlyFrench / Lug  edition I have is a number three and I've never checked to see if there are changes to the strips...

I'll have to find it and have a look.

Once again Dario thanks for doing the digging.

Best,Graham.

>
> -- Yeah he did the first couple of issues didn't he?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

> Of Dario Sciola
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Mike Ploog art / ang LUG on Facebook
>
>
>
>
> Ploog was on Ghost Rider as well? Thanks as I did not know that.
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?

> sgId=48117/stime=1208443688/nc1=5008814/nc2=3858795/nc3=3848614>
>

Just came across this review of the Beneath power record ...

It's from awhile back so not sure how many of you will have seen it already, just thought you might find it of interest.

http://iagainstcomics.blogspot.com/2007/10/beneath-planet-of-apes-power-records.html"

Best wishes Graham.

Totally off-Topic so feel free to ignore

Here's a little  you- tube  clip of Mike Ploog, there should also be a few more linked to it talking about his Abadazad books.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related

Best,Graham.

...And while we're at it here's a visual tribute to Alcala (Not enough Apes but a really nice painting a couple of minutes into it !!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZx1K5CGVm0

God... to be so effortlessly (SP ?) good, I just read somewhere (Alter-Ego or Back issue magazine) that he could, if pushed draw 40 pages a week !!! more than 5 pages a day !!)

Sigh...

Graham.

>
>
> ...And while we're at it here's a visual tribute to Alcala (Not enough
> Apes but a really nice painting a couple of minutes into it !!)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZx1K5CGVm0
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZx1K5CGVm0>
>
> God... to be so effortlessly (SP ?) good, I just read somewhere
> (Alter-Ego or Back issue magazine) that he could, if pushed draw 40
> pages a week !!! more than 5 pages a day !!)
>
> Sigh...
>
> Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
> Totally off-Topic so feel free to ignore [:)]
>
> Here's a little you- tube clip of Mike Ploog, there should also be a
> few more linked to it talking about his Abadazad books.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related>
>
> Best,Graham.

Oh and here's a little interview with Tom Sutton conducted by The Comics Journal talking about his POTA work plus working with Mike Ploog .

The full page link, with more topics, is here :-

http://www.tcj.com/3_online/t_sutton.html"

Art Methods on Planet of the Apes

SUTTON: There's an adhesive that you can remove easily. I would have a three- or four-mil mylar film that would go over the surface of this whole thing. Therefore you have no fucking light boxes to bother with, etc. This particular mylar film, had an etched surface. It would take any kind of marker or ink, or whatever you wanted. It could even be scratchboard if you wanted it to be.

GROTH: You put the mylar over the black-and-white drawing?

SUTTON: Yeah.

GROTH: And you put the tones on the mylar?

SUTTON: Yes. That's right. Yes.

GROTH: And Marvel would shoot the work twice? They would shoot the mylar, and then they would shoot the line work and combine the two?

SUTTON: No. I think their magical printing people shot the whole thing at one time. And what happens... That was five mils. That was a very thick mylar. What happens, of course, when they shot it, is that they got a double line.

GROTH: I was going to say. Wouldn't that have blunted or muddied the black-and-white linework underneath it.

SUTTON: There was nothing underneath it, but... Oh, finally when you're all done you peel this thing away, your pencil thing. And you put a flat sheet of white behind it. Cheap white cardboard or something. I hadn't counted on that. It was just... And it wasn't their fault, either, because no matter how you moved those lights you were going to get a double line someplace. Now I know not to do that.

On Working with Mike Ploog

GROTH: One of the stories, the credits read, "Art: Mike Ploog and Tom Sutton." How did that come about?

SUTTON: Mike Ploog. Funny guy. Never met the man. I had to call him. I used to call him at this laundry. You'd hear machines going and chains jingling and screaming old ladies and shit like that.

GROTH: I'm not sure if I understand. You called him at a laundromat?

SUTTON: It was a pay phone.

GROTH: A pay phone?

SUTTON: He didn't have a phone.

GROTH: That's a little odd, isn't it?

SUTTON: Somebody would yell for him and presently he'd come downstairs and we would have our little conversation.

GROTH: He lived over a laundromat?

SUTTON: Yeah.

GROTH: [Amused] How peculiar. Did he pencil and you ink, or how did that break down?

SUTTON: Oh, I don't know, Gary. Something happened. Ploog has two ways of working - or did have two ways of working. He could work and he'd come up with a kind of Will Eisner thing. He would be quite careful about how he did this. He was a good brush man. I am not. He had another way, which was a lot looser and I've got to get this thing in by Tuesday. I think he's in L.A., too. Why aren't you in L.A.?

GROTH: I was.

SUTTON: Oh, that's right. Your house fell down the hill.

GROTH: I escaped.

SUTTON: Anyway, I think he'd drawn most of the whole thing roughly, drawn some of it tightly, and inked about three pages and didn't want to do it any more. Or what the equivalent is: got a better deal. I said, Yeah, that's fine. Send it up. I had a lot of fun with it. I enjoyed it. It was not the way I would draw anything at all, but it was... It's always a kick for me to see how another man goes about the same task. Otherwise, how the hell would I ever learn anything. I think he must have had a lot of animation background.

GROTH: Yeah. I think he did.

The journal did a large interview with Sutton in issue 230 (I think)

My copy disappeared a couple of years ago but it was a fascinating read...Sutton had an odd way with words and could ramble quite a bit. make connections with between things which weren't necessarily apparent to other people.

Still... was never happier than when he was left alone to draw.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Totally off-Topic so feel free to ignore [:)]
> >
> > Here's a little you- tube clip of Mike Ploog, there should also
be a
> > few more linked to it talking about his Abadazad books.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related>
> >
> > Best,Graham.
>
>
> Oh and here's a little interview with Tom Sutton conducted by The
Comics
> Journal talking about his POTA work plus working with Mike Ploog .
>
> The full page link, with more topics, is here :-
>
> http://www.tcj.com/3_online/t_sutton.html"
> <http://www.tcj.com/3_online/t_sutton.html">
>
> Art Methods on Planet of the Apes
> SUTTON: There's an adhesive that you can remove easily. I would
have a
> three- or four-mil mylar film that would go over the surface of this
> whole thing. Therefore you have no fucking light boxes to bother
with,
> etc. This particular mylar film, had an etched surface. It would
take
> any kind of marker or ink, or whatever you wanted. It could even be
> scratchboard if you wanted it to be.
> GROTH: You put the mylar over the black-and-white drawing?
> SUTTON: Yeah.
> GROTH: And you put the tones on the mylar?
> SUTTON: Yes. That's right. Yes.
> GROTH: And Marvel would shoot the work twice? They would shoot the
> mylar, and then they would shoot the line work and combine the two?
> SUTTON: No. I think their magical printing people shot the whole
thing
> at one time. And what happens... That was five mils. That was a very
> thick mylar. What happens, of course, when they shot it, is that
they
> got a double line.
> GROTH: I was going to say. Wouldn't that have blunted or muddied the
> black-and-white linework underneath it.
> SUTTON: There was nothing underneath it, but... Oh, finally when
you're
> all done you peel this thing away, your pencil thing. And you put a
flat
> sheet of white behind it. Cheap white cardboard or something. I
hadn't
> counted on that. It was just... And it wasn't their fault, either,
> because no matter how you moved those lights you were going to get a
> double line someplace. Now I know not to do that.
>
>
> On Working with Mike Ploog
> GROTH: One of the stories, the credits read, "Art: Mike Ploog and
Tom
> Sutton." How did that come about?
> SUTTON: Mike Ploog. Funny guy. Never met the man. I had to call
him. I
> used to call him at this laundry. You'd hear machines going and
chains
> jingling and screaming old ladies and shit like that.
> GROTH: I'm not sure if I understand. You called him at a laundromat?
> SUTTON: It was a pay phone.
> GROTH: A pay phone?
> SUTTON: He didn't have a phone.
> GROTH: That's a little odd, isn't it?
> SUTTON: Somebody would yell for him and presently he'd come
downstairs
> and we would have our little conversation.
> GROTH: He lived over a laundromat?
> SUTTON: Yeah.
> GROTH: [Amused] How peculiar. Did he pencil and you ink, or how did
that
> break down?
> SUTTON: Oh, I don't know, Gary. Something happened. Ploog has two
ways
> of working - or did have two ways of working. He could work and he'd
> come up with a kind of Will Eisner thing. He would be quite careful
> about how he did this. He was a good brush man. I am not. He had
another
> way, which was a lot looser and I've got to get this thing in by
> Tuesday. I think he's in L.A., too. Why aren't you in L.A.?
> GROTH: I was.
> SUTTON: Oh, that's right. Your house fell down the hill.
> GROTH: I escaped.
> SUTTON: Anyway, I think he'd drawn most of the whole thing roughly,
> drawn some of it tightly, and inked about three pages and didn't
want to
> do it any more. Or what the equivalent is: got a better deal. I
said,
> Yeah, that's fine. Send it up. I had a lot of fun with it. I
enjoyed it.
> It was not the way I would draw anything at all, but it was... It's
> always a kick for me to see how another man goes about the same
task.
> Otherwise, how the hell would I ever learn anything. I think he must
> have had a lot of animation background.
> GROTH: Yeah. I think he did.
>
> The journal did a large interview with Sutton in issue 230 (I think)
> My copy disappeared a couple of years ago but it was a fascinating
> read...Sutton had an odd way with words and could ramble quite a
bit.
> make connections with between things which weren't necessarily
apparent
> to other people.
> Still... was never happier than when he was left alone to draw.
> Best,Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> they showed it again in Season 3
>
>
> 306 Time of the Apes (Japan release 1974; USA release 1987;
Color, Tsuburaya Productions, Japan) 1991-07-06 A woman and two
children take refuge in cryogenic capsules, only to awake as fugitives
in a world populated by apes.
> Also shown in experiment K17.
> "Johnny, don't go, it's too dangerous." "I don't care."
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mystery Science Theater 3000 shows POTA

I downloaded this, but it's the only version of it I've seen - I'd
quite like to see the movie without the voiceovers.

.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- This is a good review of the 'movie' version:
>
> TIME OF THE APES
>
> Back in the 60's the Japanese bought a load of Planet of the Apes
> materials and decided to make their own version of the movie, with
> interesting results, finally it's here, it's a classic and a must
own,
> let me tell you why!
>
> Johnny (Masaaki Kaji) and Caroline (Hiroko Saito) are annoying
Japanese
> schoolchildren straight out of GODZILLA flick central casting.
Johnny
> has that round, moon face that suggests too many dumplings and a
role as
> the teenager Sammo Hung in a made-for-TV bio-pic while Caroline
sports
> white knee-highs, pigtails, and a denim jumper over a Holly Hobbie
> blouse, securing a place for her in the hearts and minds of freaky
> Japanese schoolgirl fetish fans everywhere.
>
> While visiting the hi-tech lab of Uncle Charlie, the kids and
chaperone
> Catherine (Reiko Tokunaga) take refuge from an earthquake in
capsules
> that shield them from the falling debris, not to mention the danger
of
> that big cardboard "computer" catching fire from the blinking
lightbulbs
> jammed into it.
>
> The good news is they survive the earthquake. The bad news is they
wake
> up several thousand years into the future on... wait for it... a
planet
> ruled by apes! (You were expecting something else from a flick
called
> TIME OF THE APES?)
>
> What follows is one of the most entertaining "so bad it's great"
gems
> I've seen in years. All the cliche POTA subplots can be found in
> abundance... the area the apes are afraid to venture into; Pepe, the
> helpful ape child (played Kazue Takita), who looks like a kid in an
Ewok
> mask; Godo, the obligatory "wildman" (Tetsuya Ushio) who might as
well
> come from a tribe called "The Beatniks" with his turtleneck sweater
and
> wild beard; in-fighting within the ape community; and, oh, so much
more.
>
> Unlike "official" APES entries, TIME OF THE APES steers clear of any
> "messages" like racial harmony, technology gone awry or man's
inhumanity
> to man for most of its 98 minute running time. That changes during a
> revealing encounter between our "naked ape" humans and Police Chief
> Gebar (Baku Hatakeyama), which is pronounced "Gay Bar" throughout
the
> flick.
>
> Thanks to some name-clearing footage provided by a buttinsky of a
UFO
> and the good-natured wisdom of the sartorially resplendent Commander
> (Wataru Omae), our heroes are given the opportunity to live a life
that
> basically translates to "separate but equal" status. Until, of
course,
> an encounter with a supercomputer that explains (sorta) how apes
came to
> rule and gives our intrepid time-travellers a chance to travel even
> further into the future or live life on another planet. Some choices
> huh!
>
> What the computer does not explain is: how the apes came into
possession
> of leftover uniforms from a civil war re-enactment society; why the
> Commander wears a costume that can only be described as Dolemite
Meets
> Colonel Sanders; what the origin of the CB antenna, um, I
mean "laser
> whip" is; how - if it's a few thousand years in the future - the
apes
> are driving a fine selection of 1960s/70s muscle cars; or, if Uncle
> Charlie's smoking around the "highly sensitive" computer equipment
had
> anything to do with thrusting our heroes into the future.
>
> With all the junk that's clogging up the 600 cable channels we get,
I
> find it hard to believe somebody wasn't willing to air the 26
episodes
> that make up the entire Japanese TV series from which this flick was
> edited together. I guarantee it would immediately become my favorite
> show on television!
>
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of nlmoxham
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mystery Science Theater 3000 shows POTA
>
>
>
> I downloaded this, but it's the only version of it I've seen - I'd
> quite like to see the movie without the voiceovers.
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=48179/stime=1210004159/nc1=5008814/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858795>
>

>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Totally off-Topic so feel free to ignore [:)]
> >
> > Here's a little you- tube clip of Mike Ploog, there should also

> > few more linked to it talking about his Abadazad books.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFDvImNJIc&feature=related>
> >
> > Best,Graham.
>
>
> Oh and here's a little interview with Tom Sutton conducted by The

> Journal talking about his POTA work plus working with Mike Ploog .
>
> The full page link, with more topics, is here :-
>
> http://www.tcj.com/3_online/t_sutton.html"
> <http://www.tcj.com/3_online/t_sutton.html">
>
> Art Methods on Planet of the Apes
> SUTTON: There's an adhesive that you can remove easily. I would

> three- or four-mil mylar film that would go over the surface of this
> whole thing. Therefore you have no fucking light boxes to bother

> etc. This particular mylar film, had an etched surface. It would

> any kind of marker or ink, or whatever you wanted. It could even be
> scratchboard if you wanted it to be.
> GROTH: You put the mylar over the black-and-white drawing?
> SUTTON: Yeah.
> GROTH: And you put the tones on the mylar?
> SUTTON: Yes. That's right. Yes.
> GROTH: And Marvel would shoot the work twice? They would shoot the
> mylar, and then they would shoot the line work and combine the two?
> SUTTON: No. I think their magical printing people shot the whole

> at one time. And what happens... That was five mils. That was a very
> thick mylar. What happens, of course, when they shot it, is that

> got a double line.
> GROTH: I was going to say. Wouldn't that have blunted or muddied the
> black-and-white linework underneath it.
> SUTTON: There was nothing underneath it, but... Oh, finally when

> all done you peel this thing away, your pencil thing. And you put a

> sheet of white behind it. Cheap white cardboard or something. I

> counted on that. It was just... And it wasn't their fault, either,
> because no matter how you moved those lights you were going to get a
> double line someplace. Now I know not to do that.
>
>
> On Working with Mike Ploog
> GROTH: One of the stories, the credits read, "Art: Mike Ploog and

> Sutton." How did that come about?
> SUTTON: Mike Ploog. Funny guy. Never met the man. I had to call

> used to call him at this laundry. You'd hear machines going and

> jingling and screaming old ladies and shit like that.
> GROTH: I'm not sure if I understand. You called him at a laundromat?
> SUTTON: It was a pay phone.
> GROTH: A pay phone?
> SUTTON: He didn't have a phone.
> GROTH: That's a little odd, isn't it?
> SUTTON: Somebody would yell for him and presently he'd come

> and we would have our little conversation.
> GROTH: He lived over a laundromat?
> SUTTON: Yeah.
> GROTH: [Amused] How peculiar. Did he pencil and you ink, or how did

> break down?
> SUTTON: Oh, I don't know, Gary. Something happened. Ploog has two

> of working - or did have two ways of working. He could work and he'd
> come up with a kind of Will Eisner thing. He would be quite careful
> about how he did this. He was a good brush man. I am not. He had

> way, which was a lot looser and I've got to get this thing in by
> Tuesday. I think he's in L.A., too. Why aren't you in L.A.?
> GROTH: I was.
> SUTTON: Oh, that's right. Your house fell down the hill.
> GROTH: I escaped.
> SUTTON: Anyway, I think he'd drawn most of the whole thing roughly,
> drawn some of it tightly, and inked about three pages and didn't

> do it any more. Or what the equivalent is: got a better deal. I

> Yeah, that's fine. Send it up. I had a lot of fun with it. I

> It was not the way I would draw anything at all, but it was... It's
> always a kick for me to see how another man goes about the same

> Otherwise, how the hell would I ever learn anything. I think he must
> have had a lot of animation background.
> GROTH: Yeah. I think he did.
>
> The journal did a large interview with Sutton in issue 230 (I think)
> My copy disappeared a couple of years ago but it was a fascinating
> read...Sutton had an odd way with words and could ramble quite a

> make connections with between things which weren't necessarily

> to other people.
> Still... was never happier than when he was left alone to draw.
> Best,Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
Wasn't Apes blessed to have artistic goliaths like Sutton and
> Ploog? John, Scrolls.
> >

I think I've said before ... but in the mid 70's, if you had no real interest in Super-heros,  at least there was some venues for your work... not a lot but some,DC mystery titles, Charlton, romance and of course Apes was one of these !!!

I've always maintained that (After the initial burst) POTA wasn't a real priority for Marvel... (Marvel UK is an other matter !!)

So the artist were left pretty much to their own devices (How many editors did the title have in a short spell of time ?)

Ideal situation for peaple like Ploog and Sutton.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> For reference purposes - save this page if you find this list handy
> this is the top rated/viewed tv programs for every year from 1950-2000
> http://www.hoknes.com/toptvshows.htm
>

Cheers, Terry these look interesting, If only to prove to my partner there was a show called Barney Miller in the late 70's early 80's  !!

(Not a series well known in the UK)

Best,Graham.

----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 1:57 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Top TV Shows per year

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:
> >
> > For reference purposes - save this page if you find this list handy
> > this is the top rated/viewed tv programs for every year from
> 1950-2000
> > http://www.hoknes.com/toptvshows.htm
> >
>
>
> Cheers, Terry these look interesting, If only to prove to my partner
> there was a show called Barney Miller in the late 70's early 80's !!
>
> (Not a series well known in the UK)
>
> Best,Graham.
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> It took a while for me to make the James Gregory association between
> inpector Luger and Ursus in beneath. The voice was so distinct and yet
> with the mask/appliance, the visual recognition factor just was not
> there. It was only in the late eighties when reading the Beneath
> credits that I finally realized who that was.
>
> Now I can't watch Barney Miller and see Luger without thinking of him
> as that Gorilla.
>
> Great show.
>
> Dario
>

You see it's not really off-topic at all !!!

Graham.

----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hill <shop@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:01 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Top TV Shows per year

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It took a while for me to make the James Gregory association
between
> > inpector Luger and Ursus in beneath. The voice was so distinct
> and yet
> > with the mask/appliance, the visual recognition factor just was not
> > there. It was only in the late eighties when reading the Beneath
> > credits that I finally realized who that was.
> >
> > Now I can't watch Barney Miller and see Luger without thinking
> of him
> > as that Gorilla.
> >
> > Great show.
> >
> > Dario
> >
>
>
> You see it's not really off-topic at all !!! [;)]
>
> Graham.
>
>
>

>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> Wasn't Apes blessed to have artistic goliaths like Sutton and
> > Ploog? John, Scrolls.
> > >
>
> I think I've said before ... but in the mid 70's, if you had no real
> interest in Super-heros, at least there was some venues for your
> work... not a lot but some,DC mystery titles, Charlton, romance and

> course Apes was one of these !!!
>
> I've always maintained that (After the initial burst) POTA wasn't a

> priority for Marvel... (Marvel UK is an other matter !!)
>
> So the artist were left pretty much to their own devices (How many
> editors did the title have in a short spell of time ?)
>
> Ideal situation for peaple like Ploog and Sutton.
>
> Best,Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Seeing as the POTA TV show was so much more popular in the UK (and yes
> I know there were other reasons for that), does anyone know what UK
> shows were playing opposite POTA at the time. Anything good? I doubt
> it.
>
> Dario

That's a good point Dario... I'm not sure !!!
I always think that the fact the movies hadn't been shown on UK TV, at the time, went some ways to fueling the mass fad for POTA in the UK ... it was big !!! the TV series was the first thing we saw.
Does any one have an old TV listings mag which tells us ... John... Dave ?
Best,Graham.

> Does any one have an old TV listings mag which tells us ... John... Dave

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> I've finally had/made the time to add some recent contributions to
my
> Apes site.
>
> - A slew of movie stills from Mark have been added (Mark posted
> about these a week or two ago). I still have some more things
> to add in the coming days....
>
> - A new PotA article from Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> - Two new PotA posters from Steve Clark
>
> Thanks for the contributions!!
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

--- On Sun, 5/11/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Mark's scans and more
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: potadg@yahoogroups.com, goathunter@...
> Date: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 10:41 AM
> I've finally had/made the time to add some recent
> contributions to my
> Apes site.
>
> - A slew of movie stills from Mark have been added (Mark
> posted
> about these a week or two ago). I still have some more
> things
> to add in the coming days....
>
> - A new PotA article from Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> - Two new PotA posters from Steve Clark
>
> Thanks for the contributions!!
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> I've finally had/made the time to add some recent contributions to my
> Apes site.
>
> - A slew of movie stills from Mark have been added (Mark posted
> about these a week or two ago). I still have some more things
> to add in the coming days....
>
> - A new PotA article from Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> - Two new PotA posters from Steve Clark
>
> Thanks for the contributions!!
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

Thanks to everyone who shared, it's much appreciated and of course to Hunter for hosting.

By the way Hunter seeing the posters from Steve Clark made me dig out this old easel back poster (Approx A4) which I got from the local cinema.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/Easelbackposter.jpg

It's not very interesting but gives an idea how the film was shown at a local level.

If you want it for your site Hunter just let me know and I'll send you a copy... if you don't no worries as I say not that interesting really if you take the local aspect away.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> When I was in year 6 (in years old/1977) a friend of mine went to New
> Zealand. He returned with a tale of a PLANET OF THE APES brand "Ice Block"
> (translate ICY POLE or POPSICLE, depending on where you were born). He said
> he had a wrapper and a sticker for me but he lost them! I wanted to believe
> him, but I really found this curious because most of the "Ice Blocks" in New
> Zealand were also available in Australia. So I put this down do a tall
> tale, but I have often asked New Zealanders about it.
>
>
>
> Until I saw these on eBay (when Brendan sold them a few weeks back) there
> was never a confirmation on the POTA "Ice Blocks". I guess it could be
> because they are not REALLY POTA - they are a knock off APEFRUITS. But it's
> very clear that they ARE a knock off - the faces on the stickers are
> straight off the day bill for BATTLE.
>
>
>
> WALL'S is known as STREET'S in Australia.
>
>
>
> I couldn't resist and I won these on eBay so you can modify that credit
> Hunter! Just kidding.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
Afternoon  Michael !!!

You've just come out of your shell because the England / New Zealand test matches are about to start ... haven't you !!  

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone. Created a folder in the Photos section with a few pics of
> my Apes collection. I've really been enjoying seeing pics of
> everybody's "Ape rooms" & figured I'd like to a little of mine.
>

These are great John !!!

ohh.. it makes me so jealous !! how do you keep your room so tidy.

(My Lawgivers battling with the box set of Alan Moore's Lost Girls for space )

Dust ... I see no dust John... I'm looking round at my room now... sigh !!!

Once again this pics are great John... do want to fill us in on the pics#2 and #11 ?

Best,Graham.

> If you want it for your site Hunter just let me know and I'll send you a
> copy... if you don't no worries as I say not that interesting really if
> you take the local aspect away.

> Hunter, your site is the reason I bought a My Book external hardrive
> with a terrabyte of memory & I'm glad I did. Thanks again.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I think the POMS will smash the Kiwis.
>
>
>
> But I'll be watching Australia vs West Indies...
>
>
>

I wish I had your confidence !!

They made a hard go of it in New Zealand the other month.

Good to hear from you Michael.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Hunter, your site is the reason I bought a My Book external
hardrive
> > with a terrabyte of memory & I'm glad I did. Thanks again.
>
> 8-)
>
> Just go off-topic, and I don't really want to scare you, but I think
> you should know: MyBook drives often seem to have problems just
after
> the 1-year warranty expires. I had a 500GB MyBook that died 4 days
> after the 1-year warranty expired. It wouldn't do anything but
click
> several times when it was turned on. I did a quick Google search
and
> found sites with posts from literally hundreds of people who had all
> experienced that "click-of-death" with the MyBook drives (and most
> shortly after the warranty expired). Fortunately for me, I didn't
> really lose too much data, as it was mostly used as a backup drive
for
> my other drives.
>
> Hopefully you won't have any problems, but you should make sure
> everything you store there is stored elsewhere, too, just in case.
I
> will never buy a Western Digital drive again, though.
>
> I replaced mine with a 750 Maxtor OneTouch 4, which comes with a
> 5-year warranty. The warranty durations alone speak volumes about
the
> expected lifespans.....
>
> Hunter
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone. Created a folder in the Photos section with a few
pics
> of
> > my Apes collection. I've really been enjoying seeing pics of
> > everybody's "Ape rooms" & figured I'd like to a little of mine.
> >
>
>
> These are great John !!!
>
> ohh.. it makes me so jealous !! how do you keep your room so tidy.
>
> (My Lawgivers battling with the box set of Alan Moore's Lost Girls
for
> space )
>
> Dust ... I see no dust John... I'm looking round at my room now...
sigh
> !!! [:)]
>
> Once again this pics are great John... do want to fill us in on the
> pics#2 and #11 ?
>
> Best,Graham.
>

> "and I don't really want to scare you"
> Too late. Man, I have copied a quarter (I have thousands) of my old
> record LP's (we're talking Old Alice Cooper, Bill Cosby, Telly
> Savalas & other actors trying to sing, dozens of Power Records
> stories & bad movie soundtracks). You know, things I will never find
> on cd. Not to mention the folders & folders of Ape finds through out
> the years & the whole point of the thing was not to bog down my
> internal drive. Guess I better bust out a whole lotta cd's and start
> burning. ;(

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > "and I don't really want to scare you"
> > Too late. Man, I have copied a quarter (I have thousands) of my
old
> > record LP's (we're talking Old Alice Cooper, Bill Cosby, Telly
> > Savalas & other actors trying to sing, dozens of Power Records
> > stories & bad movie soundtracks). You know, things I will never
find
> > on cd. Not to mention the folders & folders of Ape finds through
out
> > the years & the whole point of the thing was not to bog down my
> > internal drive. Guess I better bust out a whole lotta cd's and
start
> > burning. ;(
>
> I compress my LP transfers using FLAC, which is a lossless
> compression---it'll save you some space, and when you decompress
them,
> you end up with the original file. Then I burn the FLACs as data
DVDs
> for storage.
>
> Maybe you'll get lucky and your MyBook will last---but you should be
> prepared to lose it, just in case....
>
> Hunter
>

> Whitty,
>
> Where did you come from all of a sudden?
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2008 8:17:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
>
> >
> > When I was in year 6 (in years old/1977) a friend of mine went to New
> > Zealand. He returned with a tale of a PLANET OF THE APES brand "Ice Block"
> > (translate ICY POLE or POPSICLE, depending on where you were born). He said he had
> > a wrapper and a sticker for me but he lost them! I wanted to believe him,
> > but I really found this curious because most of the "Ice Blocks" in New
> > Zealand were also available in Australia. So I put this down do a tall tale, but
> > I have often asked New Zealanders about it.
> >
> > Until I saw these on eBay (when Brendan sold them a few weeks back) there
> > was never a confirmation on the POTA "Ice Blocks". I guess it could be
> > because they are not REALLY POTA – they are a knock off APEFRUITS. But it's very
> > clear that they ARE a knock off – the faces on the stickers are straight off
> > the day bill for BATTLE.
> >
> > WALL'S is known as STREET'S in Australia.
> >
> > I couldn't resist and I won these on eBay so you can modify that credit
> > Hunter! Just kidding…
> >
> >
> >
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> That's nuthin'!
>
>
>
> I've been putting moustaches on chicks in the comics you have drawn, and
> modifying the text, and plugging these to publishers as "gay interest"
> pieces (should see what Urko and Burko get up to)!
>
>
>
 Well Yaoi Manga is really big...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi

Best,Graham.

Oh... but you shouldn't take peoples work with out their permission...

(I know your only joking Michael , just so people don't get the wrong message !! and there is one there !!!)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Wow, someone covered up where I had PotaDG on the board (which I had
> blanked out in order to be able to put the letters there) that Burke &
> Urko are looking at but they didn't think to cover up my name on the
> bottom right hand side of the picture on the wall!
> Nice bit of recycling.
>
> Neil
>

>
> That's nuthin'!
>
>
>
> I've been putting moustaches on chicks in the comics you have

> modifying the text, and plugging these to publishers as "gay

> pieces (should see what Urko and Burko get up to)!
>
>
>
> Photoshop is a wonderful thing.
>
>
>
> And I'm sure Oscar Wilde has something to say too..."The only thing

> than being Whitty..."..I mean "The only thing worse than getting

> butchered, is NOT having your work butchered!". "Very witty

> VERY witty!".
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

> Neil Foster
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 10:17 PM
> To: 'PotaDG'
> Subject: [PotaDG] Things I notice now and then...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow, someone covered up where I had PotaDG on the board (which I

> out in order to be able to put the letters there) that Burke & Urko

> looking at but they didn't think to cover up my name on the bottom

> hand side of the picture on the wall!
>
> Nice bit of recycling.
>
>
>
> Neil
>