|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60532 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" of the Top 10 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60533 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60534 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60535 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60536 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60537 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60538 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60539 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60540 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60541 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: new merchandising potential for "Apes" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60542 |
From: Blam |
Date: 10/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60543 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/11/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60544 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/11/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60545 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/11/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" DVD/blu-ray announcement today? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60546 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/12/2011 |
| Subject: What about "Rise 2" in 2013? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60547 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 10/12/2011 |
| Subject: POTA sequels mention |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60548 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 10/14/2011 |
| Subject: Mark Lenard's Birthday, 10/15/2011, 12:00 am |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60549 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/16/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" to new heights |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60550 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/17/2011 |
| Subject: OT: R.I.P. Film |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60551 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Bluray Release Date: December 13th |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60552 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60553 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60554 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" blu-ray cover |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60555 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60556 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60557 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60558 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60559 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60560 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60561 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60562 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60563 |
From: Graham |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60564 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Patrick |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60565 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Neil |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60566 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Goldsmith and Montalban and Braeden, oh my! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60567 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60568 |
From: Graham |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60569 |
From: DONNA SPIRES |
Date: 10/20/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60570 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 10/20/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60571 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/20/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60572 |
From: chimel23@comcast.net |
Date: 10/22/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60573 |
From: Wendy |
Date: 10/22/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60574 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 10/22/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60575 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" makes a monkey out of Ah-nuld |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60576 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 10/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60577 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/25/2011 |
| Subject: OT: Don Murray gives "Marilyn" an award |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60578 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/26/2011 |
| Subject: Condolences on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60579 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Condolences on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60580 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60581 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Apes 8-track |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60582 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" beats the Squeakquel! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60583 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60584 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60585 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60586 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Apes 8-track [1 Attachment] |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60587 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60588 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60589 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Apes 8-track [1 Attachment] |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60590 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60591 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Apes 8-track |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60592 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60593 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60594 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60595 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60596 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Goldsmith and Montalban and Braeden, oh my! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60597 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" buoys profits at News Corp. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60598 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" sequel alert |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60599 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/4/2011 |
| Subject: But is it art? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60600 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/4/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" director heating up |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60601 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/4/2011 |
| Subject: Fox talks Serkis and Oscar |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60602 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/6/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" adds another $ 15 million |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60603 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60604 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60605 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Original cover painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisano |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60606 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Original cover painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisan |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60607 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60608 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60609 |
From: Dario |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60610 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Why cookie Rocket? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60611 |
From: Dario |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Original cover painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisan |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60612 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60613 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60614 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60615 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60616 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60617 |
From: Blam |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60618 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60619 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60620 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60621 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60622 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60623 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60624 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: BETRAYAL/POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60625 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60626 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 11/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60627 |
From: Graham |
Date: 11/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: BETRAYAL/POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60628 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/10/2011 |
| Subject: no more CDs? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60629 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: no more CDs? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60630 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 11/11/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60631 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/11/2011 |
| Subject: I am a calendar girl! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60532 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" of the Top 10 |
.html
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According to my calculations "Rise of the POTA"
has entered the Top 10 for year worldwide. Observe:
1. Harry Potter, uh, 8? - - $1.3
billion
2. Transformers 3 - - $1.1 b.
3. Pirates 4 - - $1 b.
4. Kung Fu Panda 2 - - $661 million
5. Fast 5 - - $620 million
6. Cars 2 - - $550 m.
7. Smurfs - - $532 m.
8. Rio - - $483 m.
9. Thor - - $448 m.
10. Rise - - $418 m.
Maybe "Rise" will beat "Thor". If it beats "Rio"
it's Fox's #1. Plus there's whatever the rest of year has. "Tin Tin" (again with
Andy Serkis and WETA)? "Mission: Impossible 4"? <.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60533 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
.html.html
If that's the case then we might as well break it down country by country. lol
Last time I check this place was called Planet Earth not Planet U.S.A. lol
Rise is the #1 Money Making Planet of the Apes Movie of All Time.
"It's a fact, Landon. Buy it, you'll sleep better." :o)
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Yes, worldwide. Even with inflation. But it didn't beat it in the U.S.
In short, it did about the same. But people like "Rise" more.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Has it beaten Burton's fiasco yet?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K. Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 4:42 AM To:
pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] The beat goes
on
This week's worldwide total for "Rise of the POTA" is in, rising to $418 million. So this week it beat the Kevin Costner flick "The
Bodyguard", it beat Burton's "Batman" movie, it beat "The King's Speech", it beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, it even beat a "Narnia" movie. In a few weeks it
might even beat "Terminator 3". The beat goes on.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60534 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
.html
.html
"Rise" has finally made what "Harry Potter" made
it's opening weekend. lol
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
If that's the case then we might as well break it down country by
country. lol
Last time I check this place was called Planet Earth not Planet
U.S.A. lol
Rise is the #1 Money Making Planet of the Apes Movie of All
Time.
"It's a fact, Landon. Buy it, you'll sleep
better." :o)
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:50
PM Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The
beat goes on
Yes, worldwide. Even with inflation. But it
didn't beat it in the U.S.
In short, it did about the same. But people like
"Rise" more.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Has it beaten Burton's
fiasco yet?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
Jeff K. Sent:
Monday, 10 October 2011 4:42 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PotaDG] The beat goes
on
This week's worldwide total
for "Rise of the POTA" is in, rising to $418 million. So this week it beat the
Kevin Costner flick "The Bodyguard", it beat Burton's "Batman" movie, it beat
"The King's Speech", it beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, it even beat a
"Narnia" movie. In a few weeks it might even beat "Terminator 3". The beat goes
on.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
<.html <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60535 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
.html.html
Screw You! :o( LOL!
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
"Rise" has finally made what "Harry Potter" made it's opening weekend. lol
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
If that's the case then we might as well break it down country by country. lol
Last time I check this place was called Planet Earth not Planet U.S.A. lol
Rise is the #1 Money Making Planet of the Apes Movie of All Time.
"It's a fact, Landon. Buy it, you'll sleep better." :o)
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Yes, worldwide. Even with inflation. But it didn't beat it in the U.S.
In short, it did about the same. But people like "Rise" more.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Has it beaten Burton's fiasco yet?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K. Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 4:42 AM To:
pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] The beat goes
on
This week's worldwide total for "Rise of the POTA" is in, rising to $418 million. So this week it beat the Kevin Costner flick "The
Bodyguard", it beat Burton's "Batman" movie, it beat "The King's Speech", it beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, it even beat a "Narnia" movie. In a few weeks it
might even beat "Terminator 3". The beat goes on.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
<.html <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60536 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
.html
.html
Don't blame me. I didn't see it.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Screw You! :o( LOL!
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 5:56
PM Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The
beat goes on
"Rise" has finally made what "Harry Potter" made
it's opening weekend. lol
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
If that's the case then we might as well break it down country by
country. lol
Last time I check this place was called Planet Earth not Planet
U.S.A. lol
Rise is the #1 Money Making Planet of the Apes Movie of All
Time.
"It's a fact, Landon. Buy it,
you'll sleep better." :o)
Al
From:
Jeff K. <veetus@...> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:50
PM Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The
beat goes on
Yes, worldwide. Even with inflation. But it
didn't beat it in the U.S.
In short, it did about the same. But people like
"Rise" more.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Has it beaten Burton's
fiasco yet?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
Jeff K. Sent:
Monday, 10 October 2011 4:42 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PotaDG] The beat goes
on
This week's worldwide total
for "Rise of the POTA" is in, rising to $418 million. So this week it beat the
Kevin Costner flick "The Bodyguard", it beat Burton's "Batman" movie, it beat
"The King's Speech", it beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, it even beat a
"Narnia" movie. In a few weeks it might even beat "Terminator 3". The beat goes
on.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
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Message: 60537 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one wish he still was. Sure, he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of his posts but I always found him to be an interesting
read most times. Anyway he still has his own group going:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/
where he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some interesting things to say about these two subjects which are well worth taking the time to read
Neil T. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60538 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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I'm still part of Patrick's group but all I seem
to get from it is spam. As for his comments (since he obviously reads the DG),
the version that leads to the virus is AZ-113, not the AZ-112 that as far as I
can tell Franco gave to his dad (Lithgow refuses the 113). Franco said the 113
is unstable and I assume he leaves the project, so he doesn't condone them using
the 113.
That's actually a good idea that the trip to Mars
is a lie but it still doesn't fix that Heston left in 1972 (if it's a prequel).
If they want it to be a direct prequel they'll have to bring in another timeline
(possible).
As for the satire, presumably that will come
later when the apes take over. "Conquest" wasn't satirical either.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and
'Conspiracy'
Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one wish he still was. Sure,
he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of his posts but I always
found him to be an interesting read most times. Anyway he still has his own
group going: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/ where
he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some interesting
things to say about these two subjects which are well worth taking the time to
read
Neil T.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60539 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The beat goes on |
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Guess it's my fault then. I did see it. lol
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Don't blame me. I didn't see it.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Screw You! :o( LOL!
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
"Rise" has finally made what "Harry Potter" made it's opening weekend. lol
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
If that's the case then we might as well break it down country by country. lol
Last time I check this place was called Planet Earth not Planet U.S.A. lol
Rise is the #1 Money Making Planet of the Apes Movie of All Time.
"It's a fact, Landon. Buy it, you'll sleep better." :o)
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Yes, worldwide. Even with inflation. But it didn't beat it in the U.S.
In short, it did about the same. But people like "Rise" more.
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The beat goes on
Has it beaten Burton's fiasco yet?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K. Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 4:42 AM To:
pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] The beat goes
on
This week's worldwide total for "Rise of the POTA" is in, rising to $418 million. So this week it beat the Kevin Costner flick "The
Bodyguard", it beat Burton's "Batman" movie, it beat "The King's Speech", it beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, it even beat a "Narnia" movie. In a few weeks it
might even beat "Terminator 3". The beat goes on.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
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Message: 60540 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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Thanks Neil.
Patrick is still a member here.
We disagreed that I “practically
begged” him to rejoin the DG (IMHO I asked him) and he has maintained a
silent protest since then.
I’d prefer he just posts and allows
people to disagree but your choice Patrick!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011
10:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick Michael
Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one
wish he still was. Sure, he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of
his posts but I always found him to be an interesting read most times. Anyway
he still has his own group going:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/
where he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some
interesting things to say about these two subjects which are well worth taking
the time to read
Neil T.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60541 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: new merchandising potential for "Apes" |
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Actually, I wrote to Fox UK just last week about a book of the original production art, and how it could be tied-in to the 50th anniversary of the novel. I suspect that UK merchandising is
usually a bit more subdued though, so maybe Fox US might be a better option. So if anyone has any contact email addresses they'd be willing to share... please do.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Fox's new prez of consumer products Jeffrey Godsick sez there's new merchandising potential in the revived POTA franchise. Well, duh, but it's nice to hear someone at Fox finally say it. Prez sez!
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jeffrey-godsick-named-president-fox-245201
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60542 |
From: Blam |
Date: 10/10/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
.htmlOPEN LETTER to Patrick Michael Tilton
Hey Patrick,
I am Drew Gaska - Author of Conspiracy. if you want to set up a public Q&A, I can explain a bunch of things which I believe you have taken out of hand. Some of the things you have mentioned on your message board
(POTA_Phenomenon) I have already debunked on the Apecalypse Forums, and others that you think are incorrect are because you don't have the whole story yet - The sequel to Conspiracy (which I am finishing the first
draft of) comes out next Fall. Please realize that I am a life long fan of the franchise, and my plan was to make all the conflicting facts make sense together - something I am working hard to make happen.
It is an ambitious project - something that has never been done in an official manner before, and I am bound to make a few mistakes along the way. I am only human, and the apes only give me access to a computer a few
hours a day.
You say in your post that you don't want to "dump" on someone else's interpretation - but your frustration at my officially licensed book that I have poured my heart and finances into is coming through
in a somewhat unprofessional manner - I would rather be open to discussion to address your concerns.
Feel free to contact me - I would love to address these issues with all the fans. It will help me to make sure I am serving the franchise in the best manner as well. Its all about ape love!
Yours,
Drew Gaska
Author
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Neil.
>
>
>
> Patrick is still a member here.
>
>
>
> We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG (IMHO I asked
> him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then.
>
>
>
> I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice
> Patrick!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:23 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one wish he still was. Sure,
> he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of his posts but I
> always found him to be an interesting read most times. Anyway he still has
> his own group going:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/
> where he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some
> interesting things to say about these two subjects which are well worth
> taking the time to read
>
> Neil T.
> <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60543 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/11/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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Hi Drew.
I have to say I have never known Patrick
to change or reverse any opinion he states.
The best you could hope for is a lengthy,
exhausting debate.
That said, I do like to know his opinions.
I just draw my own conclusions and move on.
Patrick takes it VERY personally when
people do not 100% agree with him.
You may wish to seal this volatile can of
worms.
Good luck
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Blam
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011
4:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
OPEN LETTER to Patrick Michael Tilton
Hey Patrick,
I am Drew Gaska - Author of Conspiracy. if you want to set up a public Q&A,
I can explain a bunch of things which I believe you have taken out of hand.
Some of the things you have mentioned on your message board (POTA_Phenomenon) I
have already debunked on the Apecalypse Forums, and others that you think are
incorrect are because you don't have the whole story yet - The sequel to
Conspiracy (which I am finishing the first draft of) comes out next Fall.
Please realize that I am a life long fan of the franchise, and my plan was to
make all the conflicting facts make sense together - something I am working
hard to make happen.
It is an ambitious project - something that has never been done in an official
manner before, and I am bound to make a few mistakes along the way. I am only
human, and the apes only give me access to a computer a few hours a day.
You say in your post that you don't want to "dump" on someone else's
interpretation - but your frustration at my officially licensed book that I
have poured my heart and finances into is coming through in a somewhat
unprofessional manner - I would rather be open to discussion to address your
concerns.
Feel free to contact me - I would love to address these issues with all the
fans. It will help me to make sure I am serving the franchise in the best
manner as well. Its all about ape love!
Yours,
Drew Gaska
Author
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Neil.
>
>
>
> Patrick is still a member here.
>
>
>
> We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG
(IMHO I asked
> him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then.
>
>
>
> I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice
> Patrick!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:23 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one wish he still was.
Sure,
> he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of his posts but I
> always found him to be an interesting read most times. Anyway he still has
> his own group going:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/
> where he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some
> interesting things to say about these two subjects which are well worth
> taking the time to read
>
> Neil T.
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60544 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/11/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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Oh and I do agree 100% with Patrick on
this:
“
>
But the artwork inside it was quite good. Almost as good as Mr. Foster's”
Well said Patrick.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sal & Mick
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011
8:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
Hi Drew.
I have to say I have never known Patrick to change or reverse any
opinion he states.
The best you could hope for is a lengthy, exhausting debate.
That said, I do like to know his opinions. I just draw my own
conclusions and move on.
Patrick takes it VERY personally when people do not 100% agree with
him.
You may wish to seal this volatile can of worms.
Good luck
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Blam
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011
4:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
OPEN
LETTER to Patrick Michael Tilton
Hey Patrick,
I am Drew Gaska - Author of Conspiracy. if you want to set up a public Q&A,
I can explain a bunch of things which I believe you have taken out of hand.
Some of the things you have mentioned on your message board (POTA_Phenomenon) I
have already debunked on the Apecalypse Forums, and others that you think are
incorrect are because you don't have the whole story yet - The sequel to
Conspiracy (which I am finishing the first draft of) comes out next Fall.
Please realize that I am a life long fan of the franchise, and my plan was to
make all the conflicting facts make sense together - something I am working
hard to make happen.
It is an ambitious project - something that has never been done in an official
manner before, and I am bound to make a few mistakes along the way. I am only
human, and the apes only give me access to a computer a few hours a day.
You say in your post that you don't want to "dump" on someone else's
interpretation - but your frustration at my officially licensed book that I
have poured my heart and finances into is coming through in a somewhat
unprofessional manner - I would rather be open to discussion to address your
concerns.
Feel free to contact me - I would love to address these issues with all the
fans. It will help me to make sure I am serving the franchise in the best
manner as well. Its all about ape love!
Yours,
Drew Gaska
Author
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Neil.
>
>
>
> Patrick is still a member here.
>
>
>
> We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG
(IMHO I asked
> him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then.
>
>
>
> I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice
> Patrick!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011 10:23 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and
'Conspiracy'
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one wish he still was.
Sure,
> he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of his posts but I
> always found him to be an interesting read most times. Anyway he still has
> his own group going:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/
> where he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some
> interesting things to say about these two subjects which are well worth
> taking the time to read
>
> Neil T.
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60545 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/11/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" DVD/blu-ray announcement today? |
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Ape-parently "Rise" has been announced for Dec.
12 in the U.K. for home theaters, so I would suspect the U.S. announcement would
be soon, maybe today. Dec. 12 is a Monday so it probably won't be that, but
probably December. More importantly, it won't be on my birthday. Not fair! Not
fair!
But you know, what do I care? One of my favorite
movies of all time is coming out on blu-ray on my birthday. "Blue Velvet" (or
should I say "Blu Velvet"?). Yes, that's right. The David Lynch classic. Not
only that, but Mr. Lynch is releasing his debut album as a singer on my
birthday, too. He's a good man.
Mr. Lynch was able to make "Blu Velvet" as part
of the deal for directing "Dune". "Dune" was to have been Arthur Jacobs' sci-fi
follow up to the POTA franchise if not for his untimely death. But Mr. Lynch was
the one (and so far only) dude who brought it to the movie screen. On topic!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60546 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/12/2011 |
| Subject: What about "Rise 2" in 2013? |
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Fox just announced some movies for 2012 and
2013. The biggie is the latest "Die Hard". That would seem a definite summer
movie but in fact they've slotted it for Valentine's Day.
As near as I can tell, Fox hasn't announced any
movies for Summer 2013 yet. I still say "Rise of the POTA 2" would be perfect,
seeing as how it's the 50th anniversary of Boulle's novel and so far the ideas
for the sequel sound very Boulleish (apes walking around in modern buildings and
"borrowing" all the human toys that have been abandoned). Some might feel 2013
is too soon and that's rushing it but such is the modern turnaround to exploit
top movies. 2011 flicks that have already signed on to repeat in 2013 include
"Fast 6", Thor and our old friends the Smurfs.
If "Rise 2" was slotted for 2013 it would already
be going up against "Iron Man 3", "Superman" and
Spielberg's Terminator wannabe "Robopocalypse". Franco's $200
million "Wizard of Oz" movie hits a couple months earlier in March.
"Die Hard" is set to shoot in January to make
Feb. 2013. The 50th anniversary of POTA seems like a good promotional hook for
the "Rise" sequel so if Fox has eyes for 2013 I suspect there will be an
announcement soon (and blu ray announcement for "Rise" would be nice too while
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60547 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 10/12/2011 |
| Subject: POTA sequels mention |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60548 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 10/14/2011 |
| Subject: Mark Lenard's Birthday, 10/15/2011, 12:00 am |
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| Reminder from: |
|
PotaDG Yahoo! Group |
| |
| Title: |
|
Mark Lenard's Birthday |
| |
| Date: |
|
Saturday October 15, 2011 |
| Time: |
|
All Day
|
| Repeats: |
|
This event repeats every year. |
| Notes: |
|
Happy Birthday Mark! (Urko: Planet of the Apes TV series (1974)) |
| |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60549 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/16/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" to new heights |
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This week's new foreign numbers are in for "Rise
of the POTA". It finally beat a "Matrix" movie (# 3), probably the only "Matrix"
movie it will beat. It will never beat "Avatar" but it beat the movie "Avatar"
copied, "Dances With Wolves". And it beat Tom Hanks' "Cast Away", the movie that
got William Broyles the gig creating POTA2001.
"Rise" is now at $ 430 million worldwide. $ 70
million to go to reach $ 500 mil, with China left to open. It made $12 million
this week. Will it do it?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60550 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/17/2011 |
| Subject: OT: R.I.P. Film |
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Production has ceased on film cameras. Digital is
the future. For the record, POTA was shot on film.
Goodbye, film. And thank you.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60551 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Bluray Release Date: December 13th |
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Here it is, December 13th (North America) - December 7th (Internationally) "A Day That Will Live In Infamy." lol
Al <.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60552 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
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Look at these!
What a shame they are being released as deleted scenes, not as a
Director’s Cut in their place in the film!
-- Deleted Scenes --
Alpha Gets Shot
-- Will's Meeting with Lab Assistants
-- Will Discovers Caesar Has Solved
Puzzles
-- Caesar Plays with Bicycle
-- Caesar Questions His Identity
-- Caesar Bites Off Neighbor's Finger
-- Will Ignores the Risks of an
Airborne Mutated Virus
-- Rodney Gives Caesar a Cookie
-- Rocket Gets Hosed by Dodge
-- Caesar Destroys the Lab and Koba's
Attempted Revenge on Jacobs
-- Caesar Pushes Helicopter
-- Koba with Shotgun
-- Pre-vis for The Future
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011
5:47 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Bluray Release
Date: December 13th
Here it
is, December 13th ( North America ) - December
7th (Internationally) "A Day That Will Live In Infamy." lol
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60553 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
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Fox gutted that thing. Why?
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:52 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED
SCENES!!!!
Look at
these!
What a shame they are
being released as deleted scenes, not as a DirectorÂ’s Cut in their place in the
film!
--
Deleted Scenes -- Alpha Gets Shot
--
Will's Meeting with Lab Assistants
--
Will Discovers Caesar Has Solved Puzzles
--
Caesar Plays with Bicycle
--
Caesar Questions His Identity
--
Caesar Bites Off Neighbor's Finger
--
Will Ignores the Risks of an Airborne Mutated Virus
--
Rodney Gives Caesar a Cookie
--
Rocket Gets Hosed by Dodge
--
Caesar Destroys the Lab and Koba's Attempted Revenge on
Jacobs
--
Caesar Pushes Helicopter
--
Koba with Shotgun
--
Pre-vis for The Future
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 5:47
PM To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[PotaDG] Bluray Release Date: December 13th
Here
it is, December 13th ( North America ) - December 7th (Internationally)
"A Day That Will Live In Infamy." lol
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60554 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" blu-ray cover |
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I hope that's the cover art. That's the best
looking Caesar yet.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60555 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
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Well that’s what Neil and I have
been saying Jeff – they dumbed it down!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
12:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Bluray
Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!!
Fox gutted that thing. Why?
Sent:
Tuesday,
October 18, 2011 12:52 AM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!!
Look at these!
What a shame they are being released as deleted scenes, not
as a Director’s Cut in their place in the film!
-- Deleted Scenes --
Alpha Gets Shot
--
Will's Meeting with Lab Assistants
--
Will Discovers Caesar Has Solved Puzzles
--
Caesar Plays with Bicycle
--
Caesar Questions His Identity
--
Caesar Bites Off Neighbor's Finger
--
Will Ignores the Risks of an Airborne Mutated Virus
--
Rodney Gives Caesar a Cookie
--
Rocket Gets Hosed by Dodge
--
Caesar Destroys the Lab and Koba's Attempted Revenge on Jacobs
--
Caesar Pushes Helicopter
--
Koba with Shotgun
--
Pre-vis for The Future
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Ruiz
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011
5:47 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Bluray Release
Date: December 13th
Here it is, December 13th (
North America ) - December 7th (Internationally)
"A Day That Will Live In Infamy." lol
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Message: 60556 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
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Remember the advertised running time was
different? It was about ½ hour longer!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
12:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Bluray
Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!!
Fox gutted that thing. Why?
Sent:
Tuesday,
October 18, 2011 12:52 AM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!!
Look at these!
What a shame they are being released as deleted scenes, not
as a Director’s Cut in their place in the film!
-- Deleted Scenes --
Alpha Gets Shot
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Will's Meeting with Lab Assistants
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Will Discovers Caesar Has Solved Puzzles
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Caesar Plays with Bicycle
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Caesar Questions His Identity
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Caesar Bites Off Neighbor's Finger
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Will Ignores the Risks of an Airborne Mutated Virus
-- Rodney
Gives Caesar a Cookie
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Rocket Gets Hosed by Dodge
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Caesar Destroys the Lab and Koba's Attempted Revenge on Jacobs
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Caesar Pushes Helicopter
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Koba with Shotgun
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Pre-vis for The Future
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Ruiz
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011
5:47 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Bluray Release
Date: December 13th
Here it is, December 13th (
North America ) - December 7th (Internationally)
"A Day That Will Live In Infamy." lol
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Message: 60557 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
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Well, you guys were complaining about stuff
that's in there. It remains to be seen what the deleted stuff is.
Hopefully between two commentaries we'll get some
answers.
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED
SCENES!!!!
Well thatÂ’s what Neil
and I have been saying Jeff – they dumbed it down!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff K. Sent:
Wednesday, 19 October 2011 12:03 AM To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Bluray Release Date:
December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!!
Fox gutted that thing. Why?
Sent:
Tuesday,
October 18, 2011 12:52 AM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED
SCENES!!!!
Look at
these!
What a shame
they are being released as deleted scenes, not as a DirectorÂ’s Cut in their
place in the film!
--
Deleted Scenes -- Alpha Gets Shot
--
Will's Meeting with Lab Assistants
--
Will Discovers Caesar Has Solved Puzzles
--
Caesar Plays with Bicycle
--
Caesar Questions His Identity
--
Caesar Bites Off Neighbor's Finger
--
Will Ignores the Risks of an Airborne Mutated
Virus
--
Rodney Gives Caesar a Cookie
--
Rocket Gets Hosed by Dodge
--
Caesar Destroys the Lab and Koba's Attempted Revenge on
Jacobs
--
Caesar Pushes Helicopter
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Koba with Shotgun
--
Pre-vis for The Future
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 5:47
PM To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[PotaDG] Bluray Release Date: December
13th
Here
it is, December 13th ( North America ) - December 7th
(Internationally) "A Day That Will Live In Infamy."
lol
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Message: 60558 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
.htmlHi, gang.
What the hell, I guess I'm ready to emerge from lurker status and contribute again. I'll try to make my posts less lengthy... but me being me...
Anyhow, thanks for the nice comment, Neil T. I've just added an answer to Mr. Gaska's post, so go ahead and check it out. And, if you want to post about it here, too, go right on ahead.
Patrick ______________________________________________________________ --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Pat used to be a member of this group and I for one wish he still was. Sure, he sometimes divided opinion between fans with some of his posts but I always found him to be an interesting read most times. Anyway
he still has his own group going: > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon/
> where he has posted about ROTPOTA and Drew's book Conspiracy. He has some interesting things to say about these two subjects which are well worth taking the time to read > > Neil T. >
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Message: 60559 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> > I'm still part of Patrick's group but all I seem to get from it is spam.
If I could figure out how to prevent spammers from joining my group and posting their porn-links, I'd do it. I'm not enough of an
Internet/computer expert to figure that out, though. All I can do is delete that junk whenever it pops up, like whack-a-mole. Sometimes I go a week or two without unclogging my email inboxes, so it occasionally takes
some time before the spam gets deleted.
As for his comments (since he obviously reads the DG), the version that leads to the virus is AZ-113, not the AZ-112 that as far as I can tell Franco gave to his dad (Lithgow refuses the 113). Franco said the 113 is
unstable and I assume he leaves the project, so he doesn't condone them using the 113.
When I posted regarding the effects of the drug, I had only seen RISE once, and I didn't quite catch all the nitty-gritty details -- including the
difference between 112 and 113. Upon my second viewing, I caught the detail in question and it made sense to me, though I didn't post about it at the time. One thing I am
wondering about is why Franco doesn't get ill from proximity to Mr. Sneeze-Disease. Remember the little drops of blood on the paperwork he hands to Franco? Shouldn't Franco have gotten exposed to 112 then and
there? How close do ya gotta be to a sneezer to get infected?
> That's actually a good idea that the trip to Mars is a lie but it still doesn't fix that Heston left in 1972 (if it's a prequel). If they want it to be a direct prequel
they'll have to bring in another timeline (possible).
As far as I'm concerned, RISE is a really
really good film, perhaps even a great
one. But I don't consider it a genuine prequel to PLANET, for the above reason -- the 1972 date. Also, PLANET ended up being a film about a post-NUKE planet Earth: "You BLEW IT UP!"
says Taylor, meaning Man waged a thermonuclear war, prompting him to call upon God to damn Humanity to hell. Everything in the film led up to that revelation, about Nuclear War, which justifies Zaius' hatred and
fear of Man, the reason he keeps the Simian civilization from advancing too far technologically. There is no nuke war in RISE... and, unless they wage one in the sequel to RISE -- or depict that one had happened between
RISE and RISE 2 -- then RISE cannot be a direct prequel to PLANET. At best, it could be deemed a reboot of the main concept... or a prequel of a (better) remake of PLANET -- better, that is, than Burton's
"re-imagining". > As for the satire, presumably that will come later when the apes take over. "Conquest" wasn't satirical either.
Hmm... I've always kinda thought that Breck was a kinda-sorta satire of both Nixon and Hitler. His command post bears a resemblance to the
Fuhrerbunker, and his Achilles List resembles Nixon's Enemies List. When you compare and contrast stuff like the Labor Demonstration with America's history regarding Unions -- remember Jimmy Hoffa? -- then there
are elements of CONQUEST that certainly are meant to be looked at in that light. I wouldn't call those elements parodies or allegories... so what are they if they aren't satire? Hmm...
Patrick
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Message: 60560 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
> > Thanks Neil. > > Patrick is still a member here. > > We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG (IMHO I asked
> him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then. > > I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice > Patrick! > > Michael > _____
As I remember it, you said that I was a hypocrite for deleting porn-link spam posts at my group, and evicting those so-called "members" who
joined only to post that spam there.
As it says on my group's homepage, "
Spam, however, will be deleted, so don't bother sending any!"
As for banning "members" -- I don't consider the nameless non-identities I've banned to be PEOPLE. They are merely web-addresses for
COMPANIES that are in the business of attracting internet surfers towards their money-generating websites. Unlike the corrupt Supreme Court, in its "Citizens United" case, I do not
consider corporations to be People.
If a PERSON wants to join my group and post comments about PLANET OF THE APES, then that's all I want. If POTA fans want to go off-topic and post
about other faves of theirs, be it TREK or STAR WARS or TERMINATOR... I don't get bent out of shape. But when a faceless internet company tries to use a site devoted to materials that were rated "G" when
they first came out, in order to inundate it with porn-links... that crosses a line.
And I don't think I'm a hypocrite for flushing that crap down the crapper!
Patrick
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Message: 60561 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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I know this is awfully belated, but I do want to express my condolences to those in Australia who suffered flood-related devastation. Living in a valley that used to be at the bottom of Lake
Agassiz, I've had to deal with record floods the last couple years, and it's a good thing I live in a part of town that is generally higher up than many other places.
But it breaks my heart to know that POTA fans have lost a lot of their collectibles Down Under. I don't know what I would do if that kinda thing happened to me. I'd probably go "ape-shit"... literally.
They want to build a pipeline from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico... to pipe natural gas, or oil, or some such pollutants. What they really need is a fecking aqueduct that can siphon off excess water from North Dakota
(where we tend to have too much, in spring-time) to Texas, where they're suffering from record droughts, even though Gov. Perry has Jesus on his side...
Anyway, I hope things are getting better in Post-Flood Australia. Do like me and invest in some airtight/watertight totes. It can't hurt...
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Message: 60562 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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Thanks Patrick – it was an awful
time for Neil who lost his home and lots of things (although we did get a lot
out too) and me too – I had most of my collectibles stored at Neil’s.
It was mainly Trading Cards (probably an easy $50,000 worth) that got it –
much of my POTA stuff somehow survived. Neil lost a lot of irreplaceable stuff
too.
Neil also recently lost his mum and I have
waited a while to mention this but it would be awesome to get some condolences from
people here – I know it would mean a lot to Neil.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
7:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Flooding on the
Planet of the Apes
I know this is awfully belated, but I do want to
express my condolences to those in
Australia who suffered flood-related
devastation. Living in a valley that used to be at the bottom of
Lake Agassiz ,
I've had to deal with record floods the last couple years, and it's a good
thing I live in a part of town that is generally higher up than many other
places.
But it breaks my heart to know that POTA fans have lost a lot of their
collectibles Down Under. I don't know what I would do if that kinda thing
happened to me. I'd probably go "ape-shit"... literally.
They want to build a pipeline from Canada
to the Gulf of Mexico ... to pipe natural gas,
or oil, or some such pollutants. What they really need is a fecking aqueduct
that can siphon off excess water from North Dakota
(where we tend to have too much, in spring-time) to
Texas , where they're suffering from record
droughts, even though Gov. Perry has Jesus on his side...
Anyway, I hope things are getting better in Post-Flood Australia. Do like me
and invest in some airtight/watertight totes. It can't hurt...
Patrick
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Message: 60563 |
From: Graham |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote: > > Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this
> but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it > would mean a lot to Neil. > > > > Michael > >
Condolences Neil, I lost my mum a couple of summers back...so I know what it's like, she was in her late 80s with medical problems from 40 odd years of smoking, so even though you
couldn't say it was a surpise it was sudden with out any real warning or down turn in her health...so as I say condolences and look after your self.
As always best wishes,Graham.
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Message: 60564 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Patrick |
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a) Yeah, that's a question why Franco
doesn't catch the virus from Franklin. Either it hadn't incubated enough to be
communicable yet, or he is immune. I recall someone from the film (I think the
director) saying that some humans would be immune (there have to be some that
survive). They went out of their way to let Franco survive so it's safe to
assume he's one of the lucky ones.
b) Again, someone with the film (I think the
writer) suggested there will be nuclear war in the
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Message: 60565 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Neil |
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Sorry to hear about your mom. I lost my aunt last
year. She gave me my first ever POTA item (a Mego gorilla soldier).
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Message: 60566 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Goldsmith and Montalban and Braeden, oh my! |
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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:49 AM
Subject: Goldsmith and Montalban and Braeden, oh
my!
I stumbled onto this place that is archiving
interviews with TV people.
The Archive section. What the devil do you want
in there?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60567 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlNeil and Graham, so sorry to hear about your loss! My condolences to you. Jess.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Graham <shop@...>
wrote:
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote: >
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this
> but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it > would mean a lot to Neil. > > > > Michael > >
Condolences Neil, I lost my mum a couple of summers back...so I know what it's like, she was in her late 80s with medical problems from 40 odd years of smoking, so even though you couldn't
say it was a surpise it was sudden with out any real warning or down turn in her health...so as I say condolences and look after your self.
As always best wishes,Graham.
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Message: 60568 |
From: Graham |
Date: 10/19/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: > > Neil and Graham, so sorry to hear about your loss! My condolences to you. > > Jess.
> Thanks Jess you're as kind as ever, it was awhile ago now, so... you know ... and as I said best wishes to Neil
G
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Message: 60569 |
From: DONNA SPIRES |
Date: 10/20/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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Neil, I am sorry to hear about your loss and my condolences to you.
Graham, I am sorry to hear about your loss as well and you also have my condolences.
Donna
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com From: shop@... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:32:59 +0000 Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote: >
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this > but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it > would mean a lot to Neil. > >
> > Michael > >
Condolences Neil, I lost my mum a couple of summers back...so I know what it's like, she was in her late 80s with medical problems from 40 odd years of smoking, so even though you
couldn't say it was a surpise it was sudden with out any real warning or down turn in her health...so as I say condolences and look after your self.
As always best wishes,Graham.
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Message: 60570 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 10/20/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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Sorry for your loss Neil my condolences to you and your family.
-----Original Message-----
From: DONNA SPIRES <dspires501@...>
To: potadg <potadg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:16 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes
Neil, I am sorry to hear about your loss and my condolences to you.
Graham, I am sorry to hear about your loss as well and you also have my condolences.
Donna
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: shop@...
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:32:59 +0000
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this
> but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it
> would mean a lot to Neil.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
Condolences Neil, I lost my mum a couple of summers back...so I know what it's like, she was in her late 80s with medical problems from 40 odd years of smoking, so even though you
couldn't say it was a surpise it was sudden with out any real warning or down turn in her health...so as I say condolences and look after your self.
As always best wishes,Graham.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60571 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/20/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlSo sorry to hear about this Neil
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this
> but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it
> would mean a lot to Neil.
>
>
>
> Michael
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Message: 60572 |
From: chimel23@comcast.net |
Date: 10/22/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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My condolences as well.
Mel
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Message: 60573 |
From: Wendy |
Date: 10/22/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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The Rise of the Planet of the Apes was very poignant me as I lost my mom to
stroke induced dementia less than a year ago. My heart goes out you. May you
heal quickly of your loss while holding her dear in your heart.
Wendy
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Flooding on the Planet of the
Apes
So sorry to hear about this Neil
--- In mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com, "Sal
& Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
> > Neil also recently lost
his mum and I have waited a while to mention this > but it would be
awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it > would mean
a lot to Neil. > > > > Michael >
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Message: 60574 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 10/22/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60575 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" makes a monkey out of Ah-nuld |
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"Rise of the POTA" made another $ 8 million around
the world this week, allowing it to say, "Hasta la vista" to "Terminator 3". It
also screwed with some other icons, making the Mummy "Return" to
sender and not allowing James Bond to "Die Another Day" but to die this
week. "Rise" is at $ 438 million worldwide with China opening next weekend. Next
weekend is also Halloween weekend and by then it will have passed "The
Exorcist".
The big news at the box office is "Paranormal
Activity 3". What does it have to do with "Rise"? Let me count the
ways:
1. PA3's trailer piggybacked on Rise's
release.
2. PA3 is being touted as the first new release to
open to big bucks since "Rise".
3. The official numbers aren't in but it looks to
have tied the "Rise" opening of $ 54 million (it only cost $ 5 million).
So I guess almost 3 months after Rise's release,
this could be considered Paranormal Risetivity. No?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60576 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 10/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlThanks everyone, much appreciated.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Wendy" <Willowape@...> wrote:
>
> The Rise of the Planet of the Apes was very poignant me as I lost my mom to stroke induced dementia less than a year ago. My heart goes out you. May you heal quickly of your loss while holding her dear in your
heart.
> Wendy
>
> From: Neil Moxham
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:57 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes
>
>
> So sorry to hear about this Neil
>
> --- In mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this
> > but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it
> > would mean a lot to Neil.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60577 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/25/2011 |
| Subject: OT: Don Murray gives "Marilyn" an award |
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Last night were the "Hollywood Awards", I guess
the kickoff to awards season in Hollywood when the Oscar front runners are
positioned. Don ("Gov. Breck") Murray presented the Best Actress award to
Michelle Williams, who plays former Arthur Jacobs publicity client Marilyn
Monroe in the new movie "My Week With Marilyn". Murray starred with the real
Marilyn in the movie "Bus Stop" and said, "I'm the last of the on-screen lovers
of Marilyn Monroe and I still just happen to have a body that actually works.
Michelle recreated moments I was so intimately familiar to me as I spent 14
months working with Marilyn. There's not one thing in this film that's not
truthful. It was a revelation".
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60578 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 10/26/2011 |
| Subject: Condolences on the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlA sonnet, in tetrameter, for Neil
Consider this condolence I'm sending
A well-meant trifle of little worth,
For a Life -- from beginning to too-soon ending --
Once lost, leaves little remembrance on Earth.
Like river waters a-seaward wending,
Life's moments empty, as if to a firth
Where saltwater tears with pure water blending
Remove whom we've lost, like ships from a berth.
Yet those who've lost ones loved remember,
As long as they live, those no longer living,
Which ever reminds us that dark December
Is not Time's end... each new year's giving
Is Time's great gift to those in sorrow:
The tears of today will be gone tomorrow.
Patrick Michael Tilton
26 October 2011
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick - it was an awful time for Neil who lost his home and lots of things (although we did get a lot out too) and me too - I had most of my collectibles stored at Neil's. It was mainly Trading Cards
(probably an easy $50,000 worth) that got it - much of my POTA stuff somehow survived. Neil lost a lot of irreplaceable stuff too.
>
>
>
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it would mean a lot to Neil.
>
>
>
> Michael <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60579 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Condolences on the Planet of the Apes |
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That’s lovely Patrick.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011
6:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Condolences on
the Planet of the Apes
A sonnet, in tetrameter, for Neil
Consider this condolence I'm sending
A well-meant trifle of little worth,
For a Life -- from beginning to too-soon ending --
Once lost, leaves little remembrance on Earth.
Like river waters a-seaward wending,
Life's moments empty, as if to a firth
Where saltwater tears with pure water blending
Remove whom we've lost, like ships from a berth.
Yet those who've lost ones loved remember,
As long as they live, those no longer living,
Which ever reminds us that dark December
Is not Time's end... each new year's giving
Is Time's great gift to those in sorrow:
The tears of today will be gone tomorrow.
Patrick Michael Tilton
26 October 2011
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick - it was an awful time for Neil who lost his home and lots
of things (although we did get a lot out too) and me too - I had most of my collectibles
stored at Neil's. It was mainly Trading Cards (probably an easy $50,000 worth)
that got it - much of my POTA stuff somehow survived. Neil lost a lot of
irreplaceable stuff too.
>
>
>
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this
but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it
would mean a lot to Neil.
>
>
>
> Michael
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60580 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Bluray Release Date: December 13th - DELETED SCENES!!!! |
.htmlThere ARE a lot of deleted scenes. Looks like a pretty lavish package.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Look at these!
>
>
>
> What a shame they are being released as deleted scenes, not as a Director's
> Cut in their place in the film!
>
> -- Deleted Scenes -- Alpha Gets Shot
>
> -- Will's Meeting with Lab Assistants
>
> -- Will Discovers Caesar Has Solved Puzzles
>
> -- Caesar Plays with Bicycle
>
> -- Caesar Questions His Identity
>
> -- Caesar Bites Off Neighbor's Finger
>
> -- Will Ignores the Risks of an Airborne Mutated Virus
>
> -- Rodney Gives Caesar a Cookie
>
> -- Rocket Gets Hosed by Dodge
>
> -- Caesar Destroys the Lab and Koba's Attempted Revenge on Jacobs
>
> -- Caesar Pushes Helicopter
>
> -- Koba with Shotgun
>
> -- Pre-vis for The Future
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 5:47 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Bluray Release Date: December 13th
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here it is, December 13th (North America) - December 7th (Internationally)
> "A Day That Will Live In Infamy." lol
>
>
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bring-caesar-home-on-blu-ray-rise-of-the-pl
> anet-of-the-apes-2011-10-18
>
>
>
> Al
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60581 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Apes 8-track |
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I'm trying to untangle the different versions of the various POTA soundtracks that have been released over the years and I came across this on Billboard magazine's archives. If you can't read it, the gist
is that Fox signed the full rights for the first POTA soundtrack over to a company with the wonderfully exciting name 'International Tape Cartridge Corporation' (ITCC). This and a few other Billboard articles
from the same time mention that this was a first, because ITCC were a company that specialised in 4-track and 8-track cartridges. It says ITCC in turn licensed the 'disk rights' out to Project 3, who did the
soundtrack LP, but that they were releasing the 8-track cartridge on their own ITCC label. Now, I know the POTA 8-track is an extremely rare collectible, but any photos I've seen have the Project 3 artwork/logo on
them, so I think it's very unlikely there were any ITCC cartridges actually produced. That said, I've found a handful of cartridges by other artists that were indeed put out on the ITCC label. So - bit of a
long-shot here - if anyone can enlighten me further I'd be very grateful. <.html
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Message: 60582 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" beats the Squeakquel! |
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It's time to get down to business, because this
week's box office results are in. Boxofficemojo hasn't updated for some reason
but boxofficeguru tells us that "Rise of the POTA" hit $ 453 million worldwide
(their totals are always a little higher than mojo, but between $ 450 and $ 453
million). This was the weekend it dug it's way to China so that certainly added
to the pot.
We already knew that "Rise" had it's eye on "The
Exorcist"; in fact I believe it's direct quote was, "The sow is mine!". No,
that's not fair. "The Exorcist" is one of the all-time box office greats. In the
'70's it was "The Godfather", "The Exorcist", "Jaws" and "Star Wars". No other
movie came close at the box office. And adjusted for inflation, "The Exorcist"
is # 9 of all time. It sold enough tickets to make your head spin!
So it is with great humility and respect that
"Rise" passes the great "Exorcist". Here's the trailer with narration by Percy
"Aboro" Rodrigues:
"Rise" also pulled the wig off "Mrs. Doubtfire";
gave "Men in Black 2" a black eye; gave Bourne an "Ultimatum"; and even beat the
Squeakquel. Did those Chipmunk movies really make that much? No wonder Fox is
releasing another one next month.
But wait, there's more! "Rise" even beat it's
simian bro "Tarzan" (the Disney version). More importantly, it took down the
Mighty "Thor". Let me rephrase that. It took down the Mighty THOR! How did this
happen? Did they sneak past him when he wasn't looking? Was he getting hammered
in a bar? Remember all those ballyhooed comic book movies this summer? "Rise"
beat every one. It's now the top non-sequel, non-kid flick of the
year.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60583 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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Welcome back to posting Patrick!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
7:19 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
--- In
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I'm still part of Patrick's group but all I seem to get from it is
spam.
If I could figure out how to prevent
spammers from joining my group and posting their porn-links, I'd do it. I'm not
enough of an Internet/computer expert to figure that out, though. All I can do
is delete that junk whenever it pops up, like whack-a-mole. Sometimes I go a
week or two without unclogging my email inboxes, so it occasionally takes some
time before the spam gets deleted.
As for his comments (since he obviously reads the DG), the version that
leads to the virus is AZ-113, not the AZ-112 that as far as I can tell Franco
gave to his dad (Lithgow refuses the 113). Franco said the 113 is unstable and
I assume he leaves the project, so he doesn't condone them using the 113.
When I posted regarding the effects of the
drug, I had only seen RISE once, and I didn't quite catch all the nitty-gritty
details -- including the difference between 112 and 113. Upon my second
viewing, I caught the detail in question and it made sense to me, though I
didn't post about it at the time. One thing I am
wondering about is why Franco doesn't get ill from proximity to Mr.
Sneeze-Disease. Remember the little drops of blood on the paperwork he hands to
Franco? Shouldn't Franco have gotten exposed to 112 then and there? How close
do ya gotta be to a sneezer to get infected?
> That's actually a good idea that the trip to Mars is a lie but it still
doesn't fix that Heston left in 1972 (if it's a prequel). If they want it to be
a direct prequel they'll have to bring in another timeline (possible).
As far as I'm concerned, RISE is a really
really good film, perhaps even a great one. But I don't consider it a
genuine prequel to PLANET, for the above reason -- the 1972 date. Also, PLANET
ended up being a film about a post-NUKE planet Earth: "You BLEW IT UP!" says
Taylor , meaning Man waged
a thermonuclear war, prompting him to call upon God to damn Humanity to hell.
Everything in the film led up to that revelation, about Nuclear War, which
justifies Zaius' hatred and fear of Man, the reason he keeps the Simian civilization
from advancing too far technologically. There is no nuke war in RISE... and,
unless they wage one in the sequel to RISE -- or depict that one had happened
between RISE and RISE 2 -- then RISE cannot be a direct prequel to PLANET. At
best, it could be deemed a reboot of the main concept... or a prequel of a
(better) remake of PLANET -- better, that is, than
Burton 's "re-imagining".
> As for the satire, presumably that will come later when the apes take
over. "Conquest" wasn't satirical either.
Hmm... I've always kinda thought that Breck
was a kinda-sorta satire of both Nixon and Hitler. His command post bears a
resemblance to the Fuhrerbunker, and his Achilles List resembles Nixon's
Enemies List. When you compare and contrast stuff like the Labor Demonstration
with America 's
history regarding Unions -- remember Jimmy Hoffa? -- then there are elements of
CONQUEST that certainly are meant to be looked at in that light. I wouldn't
call those elements parodies or allegories... so what are they if they aren't
satire? Hmm...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60584 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/30/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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Yeah well you are taking it a bit
personally methinks Patrick.
I’m a hypocrite – we all are. We
all contradict ourselves, but some are obviously a bit precious about it maybe?
I may be right or wrong, but I seem to
recall you in the past being very pro FREE SPEECH. As I see it you can’t
really be in between – you either support free speech (which includes
SPAM in my opinion – again I may be wrong) or you don’t. You
can’t really say “I’m pro FREE SPEECH as long as….(eg
it is not to sell porn)”. You know what I mean?
But it’s an opinion Patrick. I could be right or wrong and either
way who really gives a shit?
Whatever Patrick – it’s in the past and peace is much more groovy
than hostility so sorry if I did something to offend and peace bro!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
7:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal &
Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Neil.
>
> Patrick is still a member here.
>
> We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG
(IMHO I asked
> him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then.
>
> I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice
> Patrick!
>
> Michael
> _____
As I remember it, you said that I was a
hypocrite for deleting porn-link spam posts at my group, and evicting those
so-called "members" who joined only to post that spam there.
As it says on my group's homepage, "
Spam,
however, will be deleted, so don't bother sending any!"
As
for banning "members" -- I don't consider the nameless non-identities
I've banned to be PEOPLE. They are merely web-addresses for COMPANIES that are
in the business of attracting internet surfers towards their money-generating
websites. Unlike the corrupt Supreme Court, in its "Citizens United"
case, I do not consider
corporations to be People.
If a
PERSON wants to join my group and post comments about PLANET OF THE APES, then
that's all I want. If POTA fans want to go off-topic and post about other faves
of theirs, be it TREK or STAR WARS or TERMINATOR... I don't get bent out of
shape. But when a faceless internet company tries to use a site devoted to
materials that were rated "G" when they first came out, in order to
inundate it with porn-links... that crosses a line.
And
I don't think I'm a hypocrite for flushing that crap down the crapper!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60585 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
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WOW! I posted this on the 19th!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sal & Mick
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
7:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
Yeah well you are taking it a bit personally methinks Patrick.
I’m a hypocrite – we all are. We all contradict
ourselves, but some are obviously a bit precious about it maybe?
I may be right or wrong, but I seem to recall you in the past being
very pro FREE SPEECH. As I see it you can’t really be in between
– you either support free speech (which includes SPAM in my opinion
– again I may be wrong) or you don’t. You can’t really
say “I’m pro FREE SPEECH as long as….(eg it is not to sell
porn)”. You know what I mean?
But it’s an opinion Patrick. I could be right or wrong and either
way who really gives a shit?
Whatever Patrick – it’s in the past and peace is much more groovy
than hostility so sorry if I did something to offend and peace bro!
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011
7:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick
Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy'
--- In
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Sal & Mick"
<smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Neil.
>
> Patrick is still a member here.
>
> We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG
(IMHO I asked
> him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then.
>
> I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice
> Patrick!
>
> Michael
> _____
As I remember it, you said that I was a hypocrite for deleting
porn-link spam posts at my group, and evicting those so-called
"members" who joined only to post that spam there.
As it says on my group's homepage, "
Spam, however, will be deleted, so don't bother
sending any!"
As for banning
"members" -- I don't consider the nameless non-identities I've banned
to be PEOPLE. They are merely web-addresses for COMPANIES that are in the
business of attracting internet surfers towards their money-generating
websites. Unlike the corrupt Supreme Court, in its "Citizens United"
case, I do not consider
corporations to be People.
If a PERSON wants to
join my group and post comments about PLANET OF THE APES, then that's all I
want. If POTA fans want to go off-topic and post about other faves of theirs,
be it TREK or STAR WARS or TERMINATOR... I don't get bent out of shape. But
when a faceless internet company tries to use a site devoted to materials that
were rated "G" when they first came out, in order to inundate it with
porn-links... that crosses a line.
And I don't think I'm a
hypocrite for flushing that crap down the crapper!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60586 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Apes 8-track [1 Attachment] |
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CRIKEY!
Sounds like a bit of a holy grail to me Moxy!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Monday, 31 October 2011 7:25
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Apes 8-track [1
Attachment]
I'm
trying to untangle the different versions of the various POTA soundtracks that
have been released over the years and I came across this on Billboard
magazine's archives. If you can't read it, the gist is that Fox signed the full
rights for the first POTA soundtrack over to a company with the wonderfully
exciting name 'International Tape Cartridge Corporation' (ITCC). This and
a few other Billboard articles from the same time mention that this was a
first, because ITCC were a company that specialised in 4-track and 8-track
cartridges. It says ITCC in turn licensed the 'disk rights'
out to Project 3, who did the soundtrack LP, but that they were releasing the
8-track cartridge on their own ITCC label. Now, I know the POTA 8-track is an
extremely rare collectible, but any photos I've seen have the Project 3 artwork/logo
on them, so I think it's very unlikely there were any ITCC cartridges actually
produced. That said, I've found a handful of cartridges by other artists that
were indeed put out on the ITCC label. So - bit of a long-shot here - if
anyone can enlighten me further I'd be very grateful.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60587 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlYes, Graham, but the ache is still there I am sure. Jess.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Graham <shop@...> wrote:
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: >
> Neil and Graham, so sorry to hear about your loss! My condolences to you.
> > Jess. >
Thanks Jess you're as kind as ever, it was awhile ago now, so... you know ... and as I said best wishes to Neil
G
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60588 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 10/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes |
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My thoughts are with you as well , Neil. My mom is now in a nursing home with dementia....
Tim
From: Graham <shop@...> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:32 AM Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Flooding on the Planet of the Apes
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote: >
> Neil also recently lost his mum and I have waited a while to mention this > but it would be awesome to get some condolences from people here - I know it > would mean a lot to Neil. > >
> > Michael > >
Condolences Neil, I lost my mum a couple of summers back...so I know what it's like, she was in her late 80s with medical problems from 40 odd years of smoking, so even though you
couldn't say it was a surpise it was sudden with out any real warning or down turn in her health...so as I say condolences and look after your self.
As always best wishes,Graham.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60589 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Apes 8-track [1 Attachment] |
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That should say their label was called 'ITCO', not 'ITCC'. But I think in all the time we've had the internet that one of these would have turned up by now if they ever
existed. I'd be interested to know if the ITCC stamp was on the 8-tracks that HAVE turned up, if anyone has one. Whitty? Tim?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> CRIKEY!
>
> Sounds like a bit of a holy grail to me Moxy!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Neil Moxham
> Sent: Monday, 31 October 2011 7:25 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Apes 8-track [1 Attachment]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Attachment(s) from Neil Moxham included below]
>
> I'm trying to untangle the different versions of the various POTA
> soundtracks that have been released over the years and I came across this on
> Billboard magazine's archives. If you can't read it, the gist is that Fox
> signed the full rights for the first POTA soundtrack over to a company with
> the wonderfully exciting name 'International Tape Cartridge Corporation'
> (ITCC). This and a few other Billboard articles from the same time mention
> that this was a first, because ITCC were a company that specialised in
> 4-track and 8-track cartridges. It says ITCC in turn licensed the 'disk
> rights' out to Project 3, who did the soundtrack LP, but that they were
> releasing the 8-track cartridge on their own ITCC label. Now, I know the
> POTA 8-track is an extremely rare collectible, but any photos I've seen have
> the Project 3 artwork/logo on them, so I think it's very unlikely there were
> any ITCC cartridges actually produced. That said, I've found a handful of
> cartridges by other artists that were indeed put out on the ITCC label. So -
> bit of a long-shot here - if anyone can enlighten me further I'd be very
> grateful.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60590 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
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Preview of BOOM's newest comic. The artwork is nice, or at least, the outfits, etc, are 'proper' POTA. The gorillas remind me of Marvel comics - not screen acurate yet they have
a familiar feel to them. Of course, it ain't Foster...
http://www.comixology.com/previews/SEP110880/0/ <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60591 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Apes 8-track |
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Nuh-uh buddy sorry!
I will make enquiries….
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011
11:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes 8-track
That should say their label was called 'ITCO', not
'ITCC'. But I think in all the time we've had the internet that one of these
would have turned up by now if they ever existed. I'd be interested to know if
the ITCC stamp was on the 8-tracks that HAVE turned up, if anyone has one.
Whitty? Tim?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> CRIKEY!
>
> Sounds like a bit of a holy grail to me Moxy!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
> Neil Moxham
> Sent: Monday, 31 October 2011 7:25 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Apes 8-track [1 Attachment]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Attachment(s) from Neil Moxham included below]
>
> I'm trying to untangle the different versions of the various POTA
> soundtracks that have been released over the years and I came across this
on
> Billboard magazine's archives. If you can't read it, the gist is that Fox
> signed the full rights for the first POTA soundtrack over to a company
with
> the wonderfully exciting name 'International Tape Cartridge Corporation'
> (ITCC). This and a few other Billboard articles from the same time mention
> that this was a first, because ITCC were a company that specialised in
> 4-track and 8-track cartridges. It says ITCC in turn licensed the 'disk
> rights' out to Project 3, who did the soundtrack LP, but that they were
> releasing the 8-track cartridge on their own ITCC label. Now, I know the
> POTA 8-track is an extremely rare collectible, but any photos I've seen
have
> the Project 3 artwork/logo on them, so I think it's very unlikely there
were
> any ITCC cartridges actually produced. That said, I've found a handful of
> cartridges by other artists that were indeed put out on the ITCC label. So
-
> bit of a long-shot here - if anyone can enlighten me further I'd be very
> grateful.
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60592 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
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Not Foster at all, but not too bad either!
Not a mongrel cross breed from
Burton ’s films!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011
11:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Betrayal of the
Planet of the Apes
Preview of BOOM's newest comic. The artwork is nice,
or at least, the outfits, etc, are 'proper' POTA. The gorillas remind me of
Marvel comics - not screen acurate yet they have a familiar feel to them. Of
course, it ain't Foster...
http://www.comixology.com/previews/SEP110880/0/
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60593 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlMuch happier with this art.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Not Foster at all, but not too bad either!
>
>
>
> Not a mongrel cross breed from Burton's films!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Neil Moxham
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:53 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes
>
>
>
>
>
> Preview of BOOM's newest comic. The artwork is nice, or at least, the
> outfits, etc, are 'proper' POTA. The gorillas remind me of Marvel comics -
> not screen acurate yet they have a familiar feel to them. Of course, it
> ain't Foster...
>
> http://www.comixology.com/previews/SEP110880/0/
> <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60594 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes |
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This miniseries is set in Ape City during the
time of the original film so they kinda had to.
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:53 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Betrayal of the Planet of the
Apes
Preview of BOOM's newest comic. The artwork is nice, or at least, the
outfits, etc, are 'proper' POTA. The gorillas remind me of Marvel comics - not
screen acurate yet they have a familiar feel to them. Of course, it ain't
Foster...
http://www.comixology.com/previews/SEP110880/0/
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From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
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I can handle the artwork in this one. It looks like the way I want it to be. No Burton crap. Hurray! This one I am interested in. Jess.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
This miniseries is set in Ape City during the
time of the original film so they kinda had to.
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:53 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Betrayal of the Planet of the
Apes
Preview of BOOM's newest comic. The artwork is nice, or at least, the
outfits, etc, are 'proper' POTA. The gorillas remind me of Marvel comics - not
screen acurate yet they have a familiar feel to them. Of course, it ain't
Foster...
http://www.comixology.com/previews/SEP110880/0/
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Message: 60596 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: Goldsmith and Montalban and Braeden, oh my! |
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I stumbled onto this place that is archiving
interviews with TV people.
The Archive section. What the devil do you want
in there?
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Message: 60597 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" buoys profits at News Corp. |
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The apes helped profits rise at Fox parent
company News Corporation, according to their quarterly report. Now maybe they'll
return the favor and put it back in it's rightful place as the greatest
franchise ever. We want merchandise, sequel news and, well, some
excitement, pronto. It seems like the success of "Rise" is the best kept secret
around.
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Message: 60598 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" sequel alert |
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Andy Serkis has signed a big deal to return to
POTA. Director Rupert Wyatt and the writers already in. Franco and Pinto
pending.
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Message: 60599 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/4/2011 |
| Subject: But is it art? |
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Here's reportedly the final version of the UK box
art for "Rise" (front and back). Pretty groovy I'd say, as "Rise" art
goes.
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Message: 60600 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/4/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" director heating up |
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"Rise of the POTA" has certainly turned it's
director Rupert Wyatt into a hot commodity. Warner Bros. in particular seems
interested in him. He was reportedly on the short list for their "Twilight Zone"
reboot and now it looks like they want him for "Londongrad", about the mystery
surrounding the death of KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko. Wyatt is reportedly
contracted to do the "Apes" sequel (and has expressed enthusiasm about sticking
with "Apes" for the long haul) but one wonders how this might affect his
relationship with Fox who seem to like to stick with team players.
Warner Bros. are also interested in Michael
Fassbender in the lead role, who is also tied up with Fox in their "X-Men"
series (and had been cast in Wyatt's film of the beloved British WW 1 novel
"Birdsong", which didn't reach the screen). Certainly other suitors might
give Wyatt an edge in making his "Ape" movies his way and getting Fox to back
off the B.S. Or could it lead to a disintegration of their relationship? Bryan
Singer leaving Fox's "X-Men" for Warner's "Superman" comes to mind. Certainly
"Londongrad" sounds like an interesting project and more power to Wyatt. But I'm
also thinking of the long term health of the recently reinstated "Apes"
franchise. Time will tell (as it usually does in "Apes" mythology).
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Message: 60601 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/4/2011 |
| Subject: Fox talks Serkis and Oscar |
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Here's an interesting article about Fox's plans
to get the word out that it would be OK if Andy (Caesar) Serkis were
nominated for an Oscar for "Rise of the POTA". Says Fox head Tom Rothman: "I
think it's one of the great emotional performances ever. The challenge is to
overcome preconceptions and certain prejudices, to have people understand
that".
Fox plans to have screenings of the film for
the right people that will include Q & As via satellite with Serkis from the
set of "The Hobbit". This in addition to SAG having it's own Q & A on Nov.
9th to educate actors on motion capture. Of course there's also the possibility
if Fox pushes too hard it could backfire.
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Message: 60602 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/6/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" adds another $ 15 million |
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This week's worldwide tally for "Rise of the
POTA" puts it at $468.8 million according to boxofficemojo:
That's pretty incredible in terms of legs.
This week it passed the totals of such flicks as "300", "Galdiator", the
original "Cars", and "Pretty Woman". It also had it's "Last Stand" with the
X-Men. It has now beat every entry in Fox's Franchise of the Decade. I remember
a few weeks ago I said "Matrix: Revolutions" would probably be the only "Matrix"
movie it would beat. Well, it's now beat the original. With slightly more than $
30 million to go (it made half that this week) $ 500 million worldwide seems
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Message: 60603 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: What do we want in a sequel? |
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The filmmakers and the studio are reportedly
hashing out where the "Rise" sequel should go, so this seems like a good time to
let our imaginations run wild and offer our own dream sequels. The first
instinct is to use "Battle" as the model as "Conquest" was for "Rise" and that
seems to be where the early suggestions from the director went. The humans
forced underground by the virus (like the mutants in "Battle"), Koba (the bitter
medical experiment chimp) wanting revenge (and possible genocide) on the
humans (like Aldo), and Caesar trying to keep everyone calm (like, well,
Caesar). There was also Maurice, the smarty orangutan, who reminded me of
Virgil. The director has suggested the new generation of apes would be soldiers
patrolling the evacuated human world (though with some humans that are immune to
the virus to battle). This he has compared to "Full Metal Jacket" or maybe "12
Monkeys". The apes having the run of the human world would be groovy, especially
if the movie is released around the time of the 50th anniversary of Boulle's
book in 2013. Apes in the modern human world.
This conception is fine with me. I also wouldn't
mind bringing back some of the human actors from "Rise". Personally, I liked
that cast and felt they were underused. It's already been suggested that Franco
is immune to the virus (when that Franklin dude sneezes blood) so if Franco and
Pinto are above ground helping Caesar that would be cool. Brian Cox could return
as the villain (he certainly seems like the Kolp type). I could see "Rise 2"
finishing the story of these characters (maybe ending with a statue of Caesar
like "Battle" did) and then "Rise 3" taking place in the future. I still say I'd
love to see "Rise 2" come out in 2013 for the Boulle 50th and "Rise 3" in 2018
for the movie 50th, especially if it's true they plan to tie it into the Heston
film.
Here's the director's take on a possible
sequel:
What would YOU like to
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Message: 60604 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
.htmlSurprise me and just make it more intelligent.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
The filmmakers and the studio are reportedly
hashing out where the "Rise" sequel should go, so this seems like a good time to
let our imaginations run wild and offer our own dream sequels. The first
instinct is to use "Battle" as the model as "Conquest" was for "Rise" and that
seems to be where the early suggestions from the director went. The humans
forced underground by the virus (like the mutants in "Battle"), Koba (the bitter
medical experiment chimp) wanting revenge (and possible genocide) on the
humans (like Aldo), and Caesar trying to keep everyone calm (like, well,
Caesar). There was also Maurice, the smarty orangutan, who reminded me of
Virgil. The director has suggested the new generation of apes would be soldiers
patrolling the evacuated human world (though with some humans that are immune to
the virus to battle). This he has compared to "Full Metal Jacket" or maybe "12
Monkeys". The apes having the run of the human world would be groovy, especially
if the movie is released around the time of the 50th anniversary of Boulle's
book in 2013. Apes in the modern human world.
This conception is fine with me. I also wouldn't
mind bringing back some of the human actors from "Rise". Personally, I liked
that cast and felt they were underused. It's already been suggested that Franco
is immune to the virus (when that Franklin dude sneezes blood) so if Franco and
Pinto are above ground helping Caesar that would be cool. Brian Cox could return
as the villain (he certainly seems like the Kolp type). I could see "Rise 2"
finishing the story of these characters (maybe ending with a statue of Caesar
like "Battle" did) and then "Rise 3" taking place in the future. I still say I'd
love to see "Rise 2" come out in 2013 for the Boulle 50th and "Rise 3" in 2018
for the movie 50th, especially if it's true they plan to tie it into the Heston
film.
Here's the director's take on a possible
sequel:
What would YOU like to
see?
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Message: 60605 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Original cover painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisano |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60606 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Original cover painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisan |
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Is that THE FLASH running up the steps?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011
11:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Original cover
painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisano
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Message: 60607 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
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Never thought I would see this day happen, but the kinks are still being worked out. The 2012 calendar will be available in 2-3 weeks...not really sure which month I will be...but stay
tuned. From what I have seen, the proof for the month of February is awesome (no it wasn't me on it). The title of the calendar will be, "Ladies of the RPF (Replica Prop Forum)."
Isn't this a crazy wonderful idea? I submitted photos that you may already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a contest, really. The person putting the calendar together was
just worried about fluffing it with enough girls...when I replied he was up to 6...and he was trying to collect enough girls/photos to make a 16-month calendar.
Jess.
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Message: 60608 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
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Interesting. Congrats, Jess!
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Your resident ape is going to be a calendar
girl!
Never thought I would see this day happen, but the kinks are still being
worked out. The 2012 calendar will be available in 2-3 weeks...not really
sure which month I will be...but stay tuned. From what I have seen, the
proof for the month of February is awesome (no it wasn't me on it). The
title of the calendar will be, "Ladies of the RPF (Replica Prop Forum)."
Isn't this a crazy wonderful idea? I submitted photos that you may
already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a
contest, really. The person putting the calendar together was just worried
about fluffing it with enough girls...when I replied he was up to 6...and he was
trying to collect enough girls/photos to make a 16-month calendar.
Jess.
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Message: 60609 |
From: Dario |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
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We have a pin-up girl in our group. Cool. You realize that this will be going up in my office at work, right?
But sure to let us know when its ready.
Dario
Sent from my iPad
Never thought I would see this day happen, but the kinks are still being worked out. The 2012 calendar will be available in 2-3 weeks...not really sure which month I will be...but stay tuned. From what I have
seen, the proof for the month of February is awesome (no it wasn't me on it). The title of the calendar will be, "Ladies of the RPF (Replica Prop Forum)."
Isn't this a crazy wonderful idea? I submitted photos that you may already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a contest, really. The person putting the calendar
together was just worried about fluffing it with enough girls...when I replied he was up to 6...and he was trying to collect enough girls/photos to make a 16-month calendar.
Jess.
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Message: 60610 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Why cookie Rocket? |
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Because he can. Here is a set visit to "The
Hobbit" that also includes a video of Terry Notary reprising his role of Rocket
from "Rise of the POTA". Notary is one of the top movie movement experts around
(he also ran Ape Camp for Burton's movie) and, like Andy Serkis and WETA, is
currently working on the anticipated "Hobbit".
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Message: 60611 |
From: Dario |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Original cover painting of Planet of the Apes #20 by Jean Frisan |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60612 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
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He he!
Congrats!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011
11:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Your resident
ape is going to be a calendar girl!
Never
thought I would see this day happen, but the kinks are still being worked
out. The 2012 calendar will be available in 2-3 weeks...not really sure
which month I will be...but stay tuned. From what I have seen, the proof
for the month of February is awesome (no it wasn't me on it). The title
of the calendar will be, "Ladies of the RPF (Replica Prop Forum)."
Isn't this a crazy wonderful idea? I submitted photos that you may
already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a
contest, really. The person putting the calendar together was just
worried about fluffing it with enough girls...when I replied he was up to
6...and he was trying to collect enough girls/photos to make a 16-month
calendar.
Jess.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60613 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60614 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
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Hey Mike have you seen it
yet?????????????????????
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011
3:07 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What do we
want in a sequel?
I thought
you wanted a bloodier film?
In a message dated 11/7/2011 5:56:18 PM Central Standard Time,
jessicarotich@... writes:
>
> Surprise me and just make it more intelligent.
> >> Here's the director's take on a possible sequel:
>> <A HREF=" href="http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126">http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126">
>> http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126</A>
>>
>> What would YOU like to see?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 60615 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60616 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
.htmlI will be Miss January 2013.
I should hire a photographer next time I'm in costume so I have better photos to pick from, should the opportunity arise again. :)
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...> wrote:
He he!
Congrats!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011
11:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Your resident
ape is going to be a calendar girl!
Never
thought I would see this day happen, but the kinks are still being worked
out. The 2012 calendar will be available in 2-3 weeks...not really sure
which month I will be...but stay tuned. From what I have seen, the proof
for the month of February is awesome (no it wasn't me on it). The title
of the calendar will be, "Ladies of the RPF (Replica Prop Forum)."
Isn't this a crazy wonderful idea? I submitted photos that you may
already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a
contest, really. The person putting the calendar together was just
worried about fluffing it with enough girls...when I replied he was up to
6...and he was trying to collect enough girls/photos to make a 16-month
calendar.
Jess.
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Message: 60617 |
From: Blam |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
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.html On a lot of the boards, I see fans arguing most the time, mostly about continuity.
These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the
Mutants are involved in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way to make everything work together.
If the original film is taken by itself? NO MUTANTS. and by itself, it is an opus of a film, with a beginning, middle and end that needs nothing else.
BUT FOR THE FRANCHISE, connecting the mutants to the events int the first film make even more sense. And as a franchise, the APES SAGA begs to be explored!
Too many of the arguments I see on the boards, and the rare complaint I have received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the
greatness that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't
write a novel about what happened to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already expanded universe, and helps
connect the dots along the way while being entertaining.
Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon
statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I
simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than
yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
Also, I have just found out that the moon makes an appearance int he new APES comic book miniseries, Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes. I havent gotten a copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe
here. The best laid plans and all that.
As far as I am concerned, there should be no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the
moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy. I am fond of the Revolution on the Planet of the APes allusion tot he moon being destroyed in a
war, and I intend to work that into my novel series. The science of what would happen to the earth if that occurred would help turn the Earth into what we see in the first two films, and would also help Taylor not to
recognize what planet he was on.
I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series (the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the
comics (although I do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so have become skewed from the actual events
which took place. I am seeing them this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am doing what I can to make
it as cohesive as possible.
-Drew G. <.html
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Message: 60618 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
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Tell that to the director. :
)
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What do we want in a sequel?
Yes, I seen the film once...
It isn't bad, but I really don't see this
as a prequel to PLANET, I see it as a start to it's own take on the APES
name...
In a message dated 11/8/2011 12:05:24 AM Central Standard Time,
smwhitty@...
writes:
> Hey Mike have you seen it yet????????????????????? >
> > From: href="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> mlccougar@... >
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:07 PM > To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What do we want in a sequel? > > >
> I thought you wanted a bloodier film? > > In a message
dated 11/7/2011 5:56:18 PM Central Standard Time, > <A
HREF="mailto:jessicarotich%40gmail.com"> jessicarotich@...</A>
> writes: > > > > > Surprise me and just make
it more intelligent. > > > >> Here's the director's take
on a possible sequel: > >> <A HREF="<A > HREF="
href="http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126">http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126">
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126</A>">
>
>> <A HREF=" href="http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126">http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126">
>
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126</A></A>
> >> > >> What would YOU like to see? > >>
> > > > >
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Message: 60619 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
.htmlNo sarcasm intended: But if you are going to consider the TV series as
canon (and as part of an earlier timeline, pre-Taylor) then you have to consider
the moon being there as part of the greater APES canon... For instance in
the episode "The Liberator", the full moon is shown, so it exists at least
earlier on... So, that might make it possible for it to appear in the
"Betryal" comic too...
I think the moon could be there in PLANET and it's either covered by the
heavy cloud cover and/or it's "New Moon" so the moon wouldn't be visible... I
just see the line as a "throw-away" line meant more to throw the audience
off more than to be taken as seriously as some do... The ocean's tides are
controlled by the moon and in PLANET, Cornelius mentions high tide... No moon
would mean no high tide, so something has to be there and it probably is the
moon itself....
In a message dated 11/8/2011 4:52:37 PM Central Standard Time,
blamventurer@... writes:
> As far as I am concerned, there should be no moon - because that was what
> was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not
> to recognize it.
>
> I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is
> stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated
> series (the animated as an alternate timeline),
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Message: 60620 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
.htmlI don't doubt that the director did say RISE is intended to eventually tie
in with the first film, but I can't see how it'd work especially within the
"canon"/"history" established in ESCAPE...
ESCAPE has Cornelius and Zira relating a story of how apes were once
servants (ie slaves) to men and that after 500 years of enslavement, they
revolted... Nothing like that is indicated in RISE, so either The Sacred Scrolls
completely rewote history, Cornelius and Zira totally misinterpreted it, or
RISE is simply a new beginning to a new alternate APES universe... Plus,
someone (Patrick maybe) pointed out that the Earth as seen in PLANET is the result
of nuclear warfare, and this is not alluded to in RISE (though it could be
a part in the next film if they're doing a sequel)...
In a message dated 11/8/2011 9:13:54 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:
> Tell that to the director. : )
>
>
> From: <A HREF="mailto:mlccougar@...">mlccougar@...</A>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:15 PM
> To: <A HREF="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">
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> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What do we want in a sequel?
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> Yes, I seen the film once...
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> It isn't bad, but I really don't see this as a prequel to PLANET, I see it
> as a start to it's own take on the APES name...
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Message: 60621 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Your resident ape is going to be a calendar girl! |
.htmlThe 2012 calendar
will be available in 2-3 weeks...and payment information for those interested will be up soon. It will include instructions on how to purchase one, some more information, MAYBE some more pictures, etc. on Matt
Munson's website: http://www.mattmunson.com/
Executive Summary: 20 bucks shipped anywhere in the US. Probably 22
anywhere in the world. 16 of the most beautiful and talented members of
the RPF (Replica Prop Forum) . Shrink wrapped. Will help to raise funds for the R2-KT Charity.
If you would like to
buy one or more, please let me know and I will forward the tally to him so Matt can order enough of the calendars to be printed.
Back Page Preview:
Details:
The calendar starts with December of
2011, and goes through until March of 2013. Each page features between 4
and 5 pictures, and they're all amazing.
Here's a sample of what the months look like.
I submitted photos that you may
already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a
contest, really. The person putting the calendar
together was just worried about fluffing it with enough girls...when I
replied he was up to 6...and he was trying to collect enough
girls/photos to make a 16-month calendar
. I'm actually Miss January 2013...so..I'll be ready to get tossed out as soon as the 2013 calendars come rolling around. :P
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60622 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and 'Conspiracy' |
.htmlLet me try to reframe this concept, and see what you think of it.
I see these Yahoo groups as, well, being like homes which have owners (or renters) who invite like-minded friends to share quality time with... preferably to discuss a favorite film series. Think of a
circle-of-friends who have a club that meets, say, once a month to do play-reading (I have some good friends who host such meetings and -- work permitting -- I attend them on occasion)... or to watch the latest episode
of GAME OF THRONES every week, or some such genre-specific favorite show.
When somebody shows up and, after watching the episode, voices an opinion about it that someone else disagrees with... well, that's okay. Opinions are like... (I don't have to finish that quote, right?).
But if, during a friendly get-together, I -- who own the house, or at least pay the rent -- happen to look outside and see some creepy dude in a trench coat, standing on my front lawn, handing out X-rated pictures
to the neighborhood kids as they pass by... well, I just won't stand for it. It's not a "free speech" issue, since I never invited porn-purveyors onto my property, and most certainly wouldn't have
them in my home. And if some supposed POTA fan got into my home for a viewing of CONQUEST (or whatever), and if I caught him trying to show an XXX-rated magazine to a ten-year-old kid who was there with his or her
parents for "POTA Night"... I would have little choice but to tell the perv to get the f*** out.
PLANET was rated G, though its content would give it a PG or PG-13 rating nowadays. I don't think that the brief shot of Chuck's asscheeks would've warranted an R rating! But the violence in it -- Dodge
getting shot in the back of the neck... Taylor getting shot in the throat... the ex post facto revelation that Landon had been given a forced lobotomy -- all those aspects tend to make PLANET a generally
"family-friendly" entertainment with enough sobering material for adults to consider thought-provoking.
Don't get me wrong, Mike... I, personally, like
(some) pornography! Oh, I don't get into Gay stuff... or She-male/Tranny stuff... or stuff with Midgets or Amputees or Animals... etc. But your basic "meat-and-potatoes" erotica, hell, I think
there's nothing wrong with it. Consenting adults having fun, no big deal.
But my Yahoo POTA PHENOMENON group is intended to be a place where kids
can go if they want to chat intelligently about PLANET OF THE APES, and not be at risk of being exposed to material that is LEGALLY out-of-bounds, not to mention inappropriate for them from a purely ethical
standpoint.
Yeah, I know... kids these days grow up with computers and know how to get around all the "adult-content" filters... yeah, sure. My point is, I wouldn't want some kid's parents to find out that
their child accessed adult websites from URL links they found at my damned "family-friendly" POTA chat-group. It would be like having kids over to watch PLANET at my apartment with other POTA fans... and then
carelessly allowing them to have access to whatever porno magazines/videos/etc that I might personally own.
Again... "spam" is not Speech. Not in my opinion. If a POTA fan wants to try to sell POTA-related items from a personal collection, fine. No problem. But if anybody wants to sell porn through a web-link
spammed onto a Yahoo chat group, they should first read the Homepage, and my homepage explicitly says that SPAM is not allowed. It's not a free-speech issue, it's a matter of propriety and legality. My site is
not age-restricted... and porn spam should only be accessed on Yahoo groups that are age-restricted.
I'm gonna let this be my last word on the matter, Mike. I'm not interested in holding a grudge over the accusation of Hypocrisy... or, for that matter, over any other source of friction that may exist
between me and any other fellow POTA fan out there. You've said "sorry" (below) and wish for "peace"... and, to quote Taylor, "I'm for that." I accept your apology and, like you,
would prefer to just "move on."
Now let's talk about those damn, dirty apes.
Patrick
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote: > > Yeah well you are taking it a bit personally methinks Patrick. > > >
> I'm a hypocrite - we all are. We all contradict ourselves, but some are > obviously a bit precious about it maybe? > > >
> I may be right or wrong, but I seem to recall you in the past being very pro > FREE SPEECH. As I see it you can't really be in between - you either
> support free speech (which includes SPAM in my opinion - again I may be > wrong) or you don't. You can't really say "I'm pro FREE SPEECH as long
> as..(eg it is not to sell porn)". You know what I mean? > > But it's an opinion Patrick. I could be right or wrong and either way who > really gives a shit? >
> Whatever Patrick - it's in the past and peace is much more groovy than > hostility so sorry if I did something to offend and peace bro! > > Michael > > > >
> > > > _____ > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick > Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 7:31 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick Michael Tilton's views on 'Rise' and > 'Conspiracy' > > > > >
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" smwhitty@ wrote: > > > > Thanks Neil. > > > > Patrick is still a member here. > >
> > We disagreed that I "practically begged" him to rejoin the DG (IMHO I > asked > > him) and he has maintained a silent protest since then. > >
> > I'd prefer he just posts and allows people to disagree but your choice > > Patrick! > > > > Michael > > _____ >
> As I remember it, you said that I was a hypocrite for deleting porn-link > spam posts at my group, and evicting those so-called "members" who joined > only to post that spam there.
> > > > As it says on my group's homepage, "Spam, however, will be deleted, so don't > bother sending any!" > > >
> As for banning "members" -- I don't consider the nameless non-identities > I've banned to be PEOPLE. They are merely web-addresses for COMPANIES that
> are in the business of attracting internet surfers towards their > money-generating websites. Unlike the corrupt Supreme Court, in its
> "Citizens United" case, I do not consider corporations to be People. > > > > If a PERSON wants to join my group and post comments about PLANET OF THE
> APES, then that's all I want. If POTA fans want to go off-topic and post > about other faves of theirs, be it TREK or STAR WARS or TERMINATOR... I
> don't get bent out of shape. But when a faceless internet company tries to > use a site devoted to materials that were rated "G" when they first came
> out, in order to inundate it with porn-links... that crosses a line. > > > > And I don't think I'm a hypocrite for flushing that crap down the crapper! > >
> > Patrick >
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Message: 60623 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: Re: What do we want in a sequel? |
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I don't know how he's going to do it but
the director did say it will tie in to the original (though they could change
their mind). Someone here posted a quote by the director from one of the British
mags where the director did some soul searching about Taylor leaving in
'72.
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What do we want in a sequel?
I don't doubt that the director did say RISE is intended to eventually tie
in with the first film, but I can't see how it'd work especially within the
"canon"/"history" established in ESCAPE...
ESCAPE has Cornelius and
Zira relating a story of how apes were once servants (ie slaves) to men and
that after 500 years of enslavement, they revolted... Nothing like that is
indicated in RISE, so either The Sacred Scrolls completely rewote history,
Cornelius and Zira totally misinterpreted it, or RISE is simply a new
beginning to a new alternate APES universe... Plus, someone (Patrick maybe)
pointed out that the Earth as seen in PLANET is the result of nuclear
warfare, and this is not alluded to in RISE (though it could be a part in
the next film if they're doing a sequel)...
In a message dated 11/8/2011
9:13:54 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@...
writes:
> Tell that to the director. : ) > > >
From: <A HREF="mailto: mlccougar@...">
mlccougar@...</A> > Sent:
Monday, November 07, 2011 10:15 PM > To: <A HREF="mailto:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com"> PotaDG@yahoogroups.com</A>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What do we want in a sequel? > >
> > > Yes, I seen the film once... > > It
isn't bad, but I really don't see this as a prequel to PLANET, I see it >
as a start to it's own take on the APES name... > >
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Message: 60624 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 11/8/2011 |
| Subject: BETRAYAL/POTA |
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the upcoming BETRAYAL miniseries... It shows issue # 01, cover "A" as being
$3.99 but covers "B", "C", and "D" for the same issue are priced at $9.99
each... Is this a possible typo or are all "variant" covers going to be so
overpriced? (Even with their first APES comic, the "B" covers are the same price
as the "A" covers and only the rarer 'chase' covers are higher priced
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60625 |
From: Sal & Mick |
Date: 11/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
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Good for you Drew!
Neil and I have Mutants (and Gideon) in
our telling of how Milo got to the ship. https://pota.goatley.com/within/index.html"

So, are we looking like getting the second
book?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Blam
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011
8:53 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Complaints on
the Planet of the Apes
On a lot of the boards, I see fans arguing most the
time, mostly about continuity.
These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all
about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as
seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the Mutants are involved
in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way
to make everything work together.
If the original film is taken by itself? NO MUTANTS. and by itself, it is an
opus of a film, with a beginning, middle and end that needs nothing else.
BUT FOR THE FRANCHISE, connecting the mutants to the events int the first film
make even more sense. And as a franchise, the APES SAGA begs to be explored!
Too many of the arguments I see on the boards, and the rare complaint I have
received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is
connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the greatness
that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly
FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film
itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't write a novel about what happened
to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and
actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already
expanded universe, and helps connect the dots along the way while being
entertaining.
Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One
vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the
effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements
from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In
both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just
interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a
different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy
non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film,
but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't
make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
Also, I have just found out that the moon makes an appearance int he new APES
comic book miniseries, Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes. I havent gotten a
copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe here. The best
laid plans and all that.
As far as I am concerned, there should be no moon - because that was what was
alluded to in the first film - and frankly
Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it.
I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work
with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to
Conspiracy. I am fond of the Revolution on the Planet of the APes allusion tot
he moon being destroyed in a war, and I intend to work that into my novel
series. The science of what would happen to the earth if that occurred would
help turn the Earth into what we see in the first two films, and would also
help Taylor not
to recognize what planet he was on.
I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on
film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series
(the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the comics (although I
do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or
legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so
have become skewed from the actual events which took place. I am seeing them
this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be
thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am
doing what I can to make it as cohesive as possible.
-Drew G.
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Message: 60626 |
From: Patrick |
Date: 11/9/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Complaints on the Planet of the Apes |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
> >
Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the
effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are
just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the
actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
With all due respect, I don't and can't view your interpretation as "sound." I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings, but to be true to the 1st film.
In your view, it makes sense that Dr. Zaius -- the "Guardian of the Terrible Secret" who "looks down his nose at chimpanzees"
-- would have authorized an archaeological dig in the Forbidden Zone so that a chimpanzee archaeologist could dig up whatever artifacts he might
find there... all the while knowing that the Forbidden Zone was once the site of a "paradise" where technologically-advanced humans once lived -- and which other
humans had destroyed. "Man destroys Man..." "He [Man] must be a warlike creature, giving battle to everything around him -- even himself!"
I just don't buy it. It goes against everything we know about Zaius and his character. He's not a villain: he does what he does in order to safeguard Ape civilization, to save their very future. He has
reason to believe that his actions are ultimately righteous, even though the upshot is that Knowledge must "stand still"
-- however dismaying that may be to Lucius and others of the younger generation. Still, he does what he does "with no pleasure."
In ESCAPE
, Cornelius mentions those "history scrolls" that were kept hidden from the masses. I think it's reasonable to presume that Zaius was in possession of those scrolls, and that it was he
who kept the masses from knowing about them. After all, as Taylor says of him: "He knew it. Long before you found your cave, he knew..." Zaius himself admits, "And you're right
! I have always known about Man...!"
In order to keep any civilian Ape from ever learning about the "prehistoric" [i.e. Pre-Sacred Scrolls] and "advanced" civilization, the Lawgiver and his followers forbade any Ape from ever
traveling into the aptly-named "Forbidden Zone"... so that when Cornelius claims to have discovered evidence of a culture that existed long before the Sacred Scrolls were written, Dr. Honorius could exclaim,
"Objection! These remarks are profane and irrelevant!"
The proposition that there had been a culture predating the writing of the Sacred Scrolls [which was said by Zaius to have been 1,200 years earlier, circa 2755 or 2778, depending on when one dates the events of
PLANET
] can only be thought of as "profane" if it is societal dogma that civilization went back only as far as the writing of the Sacred Scrolls. Oh, the so-called "Ancients" may have been alive some
seven centuries beforehand... and they may have had the ability to speak the Language that God Himself gave to the Ape whom He had created in His image... but in order for there to have been a CULTURE, there had to have
been WRITTEN LANGUAGE. That's why Cornelius, in ESCAPE, refers to events from those "secret scrolls" as being from his own culture's "prehistory."
The Lawgiver-based culture that Cornelius belongs to ["Besides... his (Zaius') culture is our culture"
] is believed by the dogmas propagated by the State to have begun 1,200 years earlier... that the WRITTEN language dates back to then, regardless of how much earlier a SPOKEN (by Apes) language dates back to.
Did the Apes believe (officially) that a "more advanced" culture existed prior to the advent of the Lawgiver who wrote the Sacred Scrolls? Of course not!
When Cornelius points out that the artifacts dating back to the earliest level in the Cave point to "a knowledge of metallurgy"
-- the nature of which artifacts being unknown to him [the False Teeth, the Eyeglasses, the Artificial Heart...] -- Zaius is quick to point out that he himself could offer up alternative interpretations of those
artifacts which is just as ingenious as Taylor's... and then falls back on the notion that Cornelius should "keep digging" so that he'll find the true master of that house, an Ape.
And, remember, Zaius scoffs at Cornelius' method of dating the Past, implying that the earliest stratum of artifacts doesn't date back the 20 or so centuries spoken of by Cornelius. Zaius tries to
re-interpret Cornelius' artifacts in such a way as to harmonize them with the official Lawgiver-begun History as taught in Ape City's schools to little impressionable Ape children. This, despite the fact that
Zaius is himself a closet heretic, which he had admitted to Taylor in the privacy of his own office: "You're talking heresy, doctor!" -- "Of course!"
Zaius knows the truth about the prehistory that predates official "history"... but he isn't the type to share his knowledge with anybody else. As the "Guardian of the Terrible Secret" it is
in his own interest to keep that secret from as many of his fellow Apes as he possibly can. As Zaius -- his ancestor? -- from 3085 tells Virdon and Burke, "Very few know your history... very few will
ever know!"
Odds are that 99.99% of all the Apes alive in 3955 are ignorant of that prehistory, that "Terrible Secret"... with it being likely that -- other than Zaius -- the only "few" who might
know about it are also Orangutans, part of Zaius' circle, a kind of "secret society" which doesn't share its secrets with the majority... who would deny that there even exists a secret to be kept in
the first place!
One might argue that Zaius acts "against type" when he tells the would-be pursuing gorillas to "Wait! Wait!... Let him go..."
After all, he earlier considered Taylor to be "a menace... a walking pestilence"
whom he had tried to have gelded... whom he had threatened with emasculation, then surgery on the Speech centers, on the brain... Is it like him, then, to allow Taylor to go off scot-free with his monogamous female
partner, when it would've been easy enough to have the gun-toting gorillas shoot a dozen rounds into the two?
A good argument could be made that Zaius -- if he truly views Man as inherently evil, and an intelligent TALKING human to be all the more dangerous -- that he would not
have allowed Taylor to get away. Zaius went back on his promise to Cornelius, by having him and Zira arrested, to stand trial for Heresy... and by having the Cave sealed with explosives, to destroy the evidence:
there can be
no evidence... so, would he have stood in the way when those gorillas were about to do away with Taylor, considering that Zaius had never even bothered to promise that he would allow him to leave the site alive in
the first place?
But... Zaius, with his racist hatred of Man, wants to justify that hatred -- even to Taylor, who still
doesn't know why Zaius hates him and is afraid of him. Only by allowing Taylor to escape... to follow the shoreline... to find "his destiny"
... to see with his own eyes the Statue of Liberty half-buried in the sand like the statue of Ozymandias in the poem ["... Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"]... that
is why Zaius lets Taylor go. He wants Taylor to see it, knowing that Taylor will finally understand Zaius' motivations -- and end up agreeing with him! Zaius knows Taylor better than Taylor knows himself...
because Taylor ends up condemning the Human Race, by calling upon God to damn them all to Hell.
Drew, in your novel you would have us accept the notion that the Zaius I've described in the above paragraphs would've acted diametrically opposite to the way his character acts all through PLANET
... allowing a chimp archaeologist to dig for artifacts in the one place where Zaius might reasonably expect him to find items from the long-gone human society that History claims couldn't have existed.
I don't say this to hurt your feelings, Drew. But I have to say it: You're wrong
. Wrong about Zaius. Wrong about Cornelius' daring and illegal venture into the Forbidden Zone, about which he kept silent until he finally admitted to it during Taylor's hearing.
I "get" that you feel you have to defend your own (mis-)interpretation of this element of the plot, since otherwise your efforts will be swept aside as "non-canonical" by folks like me who
cannot consider it a viable interpretation in that it contradicts too much of what is already established in PLANET
. I've read your attempts to justify your interpretation, and you're just not convincing. And I wonder what everybody else here thinks of your interpretation -- perhaps the moderator could do a poll on it: Do
you think it is thematically possible for Zaius to have authorized Cornelius' dig, knowing that he would be digging up artifacts from the Forbidden Zone?
I don't think you understand Zaius' righteous ruthlessness, Drew. The religion of the Apes is centered on the teachings of the Lawgiver -- the same Lawgiver who declared the whole Forbidden Zone to be
"deadly" and instituted the "ancient taboo"
to keep Apes out of it. Zaius, among other things, is the CHIEF DEFENDER OF THE FAITH. The dead gorilla whose funeral service Taylor interrupts was said to be a "defender of the faith" -- in other words,
he was an Ape who toe'd the party line in regards to religious dogma. When Cornelius advanced his "insidious theory [of] Evolution" you can bet that the "gorillas and orangutans"
who believed in the Articles of Faith vehemently denounced the very notion that Apes could have evolved from a lower order of primate: "God created the Ape in His own image!"
they would've shouted, like any Bible-thumper televangelist says of Man nowadays.
There is no way in hell that the CHIEF Defender of the Faith would've allowed a chimpanzee scientist to travel into the Forbidden Zone, let alone set up a dig-site to look for artifacts... since he, being the
Guardian of the Terrible Secret, knows that he just might find something that would contradict official history/dogma/doctrine.
You're just plain wrong
about Zaius. And just because you got your novel published doesn't mean that I'm obligated to deem your interpretation as "official". I enjoyed certain parts of your novel, but I've enjoyed
other fan-fics that I also don't consider part of the Classic-POTA canon even though they're set in that "universe." I enjoyed MARVEL's "Terror" series, and its "Future History
Chronicles" stories even more than your novel... and, despite the fact that they, too, were published, I don't consider them to be "canon" either. Remember the novel
"Splinter of the Mind's Eye"
by Alan Dean Foster? I enjoyed that, too... but Lucas doesn't consider it 'canon', even though it's set in the STAR WARS universe, just like all those adventures told when MARVEL had the license to
do comic books with the title "STAR WARS". I don't hear anybody who wrote for that comic book insisting that their SW stories deserve to be considered as 'canon' by Lucasfilm, or by anybody else.
Alan Dean Foster isn't complaining that his novel isn't and can't be 'canon', given how Lucas has proceeded with his own official movie series.
Be happy that you managed to get published. I don't expect you to be happy being criticized by me, but that goes with the territory. I would've preferred reading a POTA-based novel that did not contradict
PLANET
in any way, shape, or form... no matter how outlandish its plot may have gotten. Sci-fi has all sorts of options available to it for exploitation... Time-Travel, Alternate Universes, Cyborgs, Psychokinesis,
there's a million weird things that SF has in its toolbox. BENEATH
went with Telepathy and Perception-Altering Illusion... an outlandish element that they went hog-wild with, to wonderfully dark satirical effect, in my opinion.
And, in doing so, Dehn either misunderstood the established concept of Taylor's time-dilated voyage, or purposely ignored it and established his own notion [i.e. that Taylor's ship got "lost" and
that another ship was sent from Earth go "find" it, etc]. One reaction to this is to dismiss BENEATH
as "non-canonical" since it violates what is known from the first film. My modus operandi is to re-interpret the on-screen information presented in BENEATH
so that the same dialogue (etc) makes sense in the context of the original film's scenario.
Thus, in my scenario, the "Orion Mission" involved a bigger, cargo-carrying "mothership" which -- like Antelle's ship in Boulle's novel -- was equipped with 3 smaller ships capable of
landing on and re-launching from a planet. The 3 ships we see in PLANET, BENEATH, and ESCAPE
are the 3 smaller shuttlecraft. The "mothership" (with its 3 attached shuttles) arrived at its destination on 11-25-3978, which is why the shuttle in which Taylor (etc) slept had its Earth-Time clock
reading that date... but, for some reason, the computer onboard that shuttle became disengaged from the primary computer of the Orion Mission mothership, so that when somebody activated the Emergency Homing Device
[E.H.D.] -- sending the entire ship-plus-3-shuttles back to Earth -- that computer, knowing that the 320-lightyear jump back to Earth also resulted in a back-through-Time jump to late September of 3955, also resulted in
the Earth-Time clocks on the shuttles to adjust to the new (earlier) Earth-Time reading... with the exception of the one in Taylor's shuttle which, for some reason, had gotten disconnected, its computer losing that
connection to the mothership's navigational computer.
The computer on Taylor's shuttle doesn't know that the date has just jumped back from 11-25-3978 to 09-26-3955 (or so). If Taylor had had time to read the tapes, they would've told him that he had
reached their destination: an Earth-like planet orbiting a Sun-like star 320 lightyears away from our Solar System... because his shuttle's computers didn't have the same telemetry information that the rest of
the shuttles' computers did
have. The ship-to-ship computer feed somehow got cut off. The only reason that Taylor believes, throughout the film, that he was on another planet in another solar system is because he saw the clock read 3978... the
date he expected to see upon arrival.
Just as Virdon's ship, while approaching Alpha Centauri, had its Earth-Time clock reading 6-14-3085 ["JUN-14-3085" in the Credits sequence] at the time they encountered
"radioactive turbulence"
... and then, later, had a reading of "3-21-3085" on the day they landed -- a date which was 'frozen' onto it the next morning, when Virdon and Burke saw it, as well as a week later, when Virdon
retrieved the Disc -- is the same reason that the BENEATH and ESCAPE ships read "3955" after
they had read "3978": both the Orion mission and Virdon's Alpha Centauri mission underwent a jump through hyperspace... ending up back at planet Earth in the past. They went backwards
through Time, Virdon's ship going back 85 days [from 14 June 3085 to 21 March 3085], and Taylor's/Brent's/Ape-onauts' ships going back a little over 23 years, from 11-25-3978 to 3955. The only
difference is that the computer in Taylor's shuttle somehow had gotten unplugged from the main computer on the mothership to which it was attached... so that the new telemetry didn't get copied onto that
shuttle's computer's harddrive.
My scenario -- which nobody else must
consider 'canon', as far as I'm concerned -- does not contradict any of the onscreen dialogue or data. Without throwing out BENEATH
, or changing little bits of info from that film, I am able to re-interpret its information in light of the scenario presented in PLANET
, using the concept from Boulle's original novel -- that the interstellar ship carrying Antelle, Levain, Ulysse and Hector had 3 smaller vessels attached to it for shuttle-landings onto Soror and (later) Earth.
My scenario explains the different Earth-Time dates that otherwise are contradictory: 3978 vs. 3955. PLANET takes place in 3955... but the 3978 date is an accurate detail of when
the Orion Mission was at its destination, prior to the activation of the E.H.D., which jumped the ship 320 lightyears away [back to Earth] and 23+ years away through Time in the negative direction.
There are a couple people in POTA fandom who've indicated a liking for my scenario, but I know that there are also a number of POTA fans who don't care for my take on it. And that's fine. I don't
expect everybody to dig it. I don't insist that others accept my scenario as 'canon' if they don't want to. All I care about is that it doesn't contradict the onscreen details given in the 5 films
and 14 episodes, "Classic POTA." It conforms to my definition of Classic POTA canon. I wish your novel didn't contradict PLANET
, Drew... but it does, and therefore I cannot consider it 'canon'. Sorry. Patrick
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Date: 11/9/2011 |
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote: >
> I was looking at the BOOM! website where it shows the various covers for > the upcoming BETRAYAL miniseries... It shows issue # 01, cover "A" as being
> $3.99 but covers "B", "C", and "D" for the same issue are priced at $9.99 > each... Is this a possible typo or are all "variant" covers going to be so
> overpriced? (Even with their first APES comic, the "B" covers are the same price > as the "A" covers and only the rarer 'chase' covers are higher priced
> depending on where you get them...)</HTML> >
For some reason all the secondary covers for issue one of Betrayal are / were chase covers.
Cover B (Zaius photo) is a 1-in-20, while covers C and D are 1-in -25 each.
Why they've done this I don't know because as of issue 2 covers A and B are a 50 / 50 split like normal...I quite fancied that Zaius cover :(
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Date: 11/10/2011 |
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Word is, like film, movie makeup and the dodo
bird, that our buddy the CD will become extinct, probably in 2012. The
major labels are going to stop making CDs and stick to non-tangible stuff like
downloads. How long before it happens to DVDs and blu-rays as well? CDs
will still be released as special editions, kind of like records are now. But
it's just one more reason we've become the Planet of the Computers. Maybe
"Terminator" was right.
Go play one of your POTA CDs and
mourn.
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Er, um.
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: no more CDs?
Word is, like film, movie makeup and the dodo
bird, that our buddy the CD will become extinct, probably in 2012. The
major labels are going to stop making CDs and stick to non-tangible stuff like
downloads. How long before it happens to DVDs and blu-rays as well? CDs
will still be released as special editions, kind of like records are now. But
it's just one more reason we've become the Planet of the Computers. Maybe
"Terminator" was right.
Go play one of your POTA CDs and
mourn.
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Message: 60630 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 11/11/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
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Date: 11/11/2011 |
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starts with December of
2011, and goes through until March of 2013. Each page features between 4
and 5 pictures of the lady costumers of the Replica Prop Forum (RPF). The calendar will be professionally printed and will be available by this December. Matt Munson is planning on making a print run of only 100
calendars, $20 shipped within the US, $22 shipped on foreign soil. Shrink wrapped. Will help to raise funds for the R2-KT Charity.
Information on ordering will be up here soon: Matt Munson on the web!
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