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Didn't come out as well as I would've hoped, as it was hard to find any passages longer than 20 to 30 seconds without voiceovers/sound effects. Even though I'm not much of a soundtrack fan, there's some nice music in the series and I think I'd enjoy a proper CD of this more than some of the other POTA soundtracks. I had fun putting together the 'genuine fake' LP cover though - wonder if it'll fool anyone...

http://rockroots.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/return-to-the-planet-of-the-apes/

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Thanks for this Neil. Funny thing is, I watched a couple of episodes of Return two nights ago and thought at the time that it would be nice to have a soundtrack CD and here it is!
Great fake cover, any chance of higher resolution copies?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> Didn't come out as well as I would've hoped, as it was hard to find any passages longer than 20 to 30 seconds without voiceovers/sound effects. Even though I'm not much of a soundtrack fan, there's some nice music in the series and I think I'd enjoy a proper CD of this more than some of the other POTA soundtracks. I had fun putting together the 'genuine fake' LP cover though - wonder if it'll fool anyone...
>
> http://rockroots.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/return-to-the-planet-of-the-apes/
>

Michael - You are the owner of a fan group for a major licensed property - that kind of makes you a public figure. I have been bashed by people who don't get my work - and also don't seem to understand the appeal of apes as a franchise, and those bad reviews by bad writers are out forever on the web to gawk back at me.

In regards to Neil on BOOK 2 - I will be ready with descriptions by February - the book is still being written right now. I will throw Neil an image on spec - at least I can do that. Then it will be up to the wolves to pull it apart or accept him into the pack.

In summation: Haters are gonna hate, Players are gonna play, and lovers are gonna, well - love.

Drew

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I'm actually quite shocked to have found this on the net.
>
>
>
> So when my kids look up my name...well, gee!
>
>
>
> I hope you can give Neil a shot - I have taken it on to try to get him a
> published POTA comic one day and the GN would be just as good.
>
>
>
> Drew, just for the hell of it, shoot him a description and see what he comes
> up with..no guarantees (understood) but really, just ask him to do
> something. We were going to try to do something for you and submit it, but
> it might not have been correct for the story.
>
>
>
> Worst outcome is we can probably use it for a comic cover if you don't need
> it!
>
>
>
> Anyway, let me know what you think.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Blam
> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011 4:59 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: NAMEless, GUTless......
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow - out of date posting is out of date.
>
> The stuff about Neil and me is out of this world. I haven't pursued anything
> with Neil yet because I answer to a higher authority- or two. They are FOX
> and ARCHAIA, and I had to concede to their wishes for established talent on
> Conspiracy.
>
> Also, I have no quarrel with Mr. Whitty - despite him calling my cell phone
> long distance from Australia to the states 2 years ago (lol).
>
> But even if I did, I would never hold bad feeling for one person against
> another - its not Neil's fault that Michael doesn't know how much AT&T
> sucks.
>
> FYI - to clarify, I am joking here Michael - no harm intended!
>
> Neil - I might be able to do something about that for DEATH (book 2). No
> promises, but I will try...
>
> Love to all,
> Drew
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> PofTAfan@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Somebody had a hissy fit. Wow, and it wasn't me who wrote that!
> >
> > kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@>
> > To: PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 25, 2011 1:06 pm
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] NAMEless, GUTless......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow. Anyway, whatever...
> >
> > Jess.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess it wasn't very successful if you didn't find out about it until
> now. It was posted April 2010.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sal & Mick
> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:31 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] NAMEless, GUTless......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This is kind of hilarious:
> >
> >
> http://warnerkern.blogspot.com/2010/04/planet-of-apes-discussion-group.html"
> >
> > Anyone got the balls to own up to it?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>

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Thanks. I'll see how much of the 'work-in-progress' I kept, but the finished product was deliberately darkened and blurry to make it look aged. If you click on the pictures they should come up a bit bigger, and hopefully readable. Again, the music there doesn't really do justice to the soundtrack but it's better than nothing I suppose.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for this Neil. Funny thing is, I watched a couple of episodes of Return two nights ago and thought at the time that it would be nice to have a soundtrack CD and here it is!
> Great fake cover, any chance of higher resolution copies?
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> >
> > Didn't come out as well as I would've hoped, as it was hard to find any passages longer than 20 to 30 seconds without voiceovers/sound effects. Even though I'm not much of a soundtrack fan, there's some nice music in the series and I think I'd enjoy a proper CD of this more than some of the other POTA soundtracks. I had fun putting together the 'genuine fake' LP cover though - wonder if it'll fool anyone...
> >
> > http://rockroots.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/return-to-the-planet-of-the-apes/
> >
>

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These are a bit more hi-res.

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What I mean is that another person - for example - might take Zira/Cornelius' testimony as fact, and try to reinterpret anything in the other films that contradicts that testimony. I'm not saying that would be a very logical view to have, just that with so many contradictions involved across the five films, for someone to come up with a cohesive timeline of events requires them to add details that aren't specified on-screen. Such as the idea that Zira and Cornelius were telling the inquiry an elaborate hoax. I can't imagine that that was Dehn's intention when he wrote the dialogue, rather that he simply didn't think it through beyond building a suitably cinematic scene. To give another example, some could argue that the events of Beneath happen in 3978/3979 rather than 3955. Both dates are what I referred to as 'facts', because they both appear on-screen, but only one can be correct, and it requires fan speculation to reconcile the contradiction.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:>
> > Actually, that is a good point, and not something I'd noticed. I think
> the point is that whatever theory you follow requires you to overlook a
> certain amount of on-screen 'facts' and come up with imaginative ways of
> explaining them away.

> *** What 'facts' am I overlooking, regarding my own theorizing about the
> POTA timeline issue? I'm asking this in all honesty, cuz my goal -- for
> the sake of my own POTA project -- is to get all the on-screen details
> right under the umbrella of a 'scenario' that makes those 'facts' make
> sense.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------\

...but, in an altered timeline, the 2670 Lawgiver would be remembering events caused by the appearance and death of Zira & Cornelius. This would be a 'changed future' in which he exists. The principle of two timelines would mean that Zira & Cornelius' back-story/origin/history was different, was not caused by the actions of Hasslein, nor - paradoxically - by their own appearance in the past. They could therefore not know about the Escape/Conquest/Battle sequence of events because in their timeline these events never happened (or happened very differently). For that reason, no amount of Sacred/Secret Scrolls could have recorded the death of the son of a chimp called Caesar at the hands of a gorilla called Aldo, because that didn't happen until history was altered. I would even suggest that the 2670 Lawgiver was intended to be either the same Lawgiver we see statues of in 'Planet', but with a radically changed attitude due to altered history, or an alternative kindly Lawgiver who supplanted the original Lawgiver's role in history, again because of an altered timeline.

And that's why I think the ending of Battle is open to interpretation, because if - IF - you were to follow the logic of a second timeline (as hinted at by Virgil) then the ending would imply a very different future for the Earth. Admittedly, the scenes with Alma and Mendez contradict that somewhat, but again, bear in mind that these scenes were cut from the original film for a reason.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
>
> Think of it: the scroll that the A.D. 2670 Lawgiver reads from, in
> BATTLE, says that the "parent apes" of Caesar who "descended on Earth
> from Earth's own future" were "brutally murdered." If Hasslein had not
> shot Zira in the back... which prompted Cornelius to fire bullets into
> him... which prompted a sharp-shooter to shoot Cornelius... if those
> gun-firings had not happened, then that would have changed the future!
> Assume, just for the sake of argument, that the BATTLE scroll that the
> Lawgiver recites is one of the very "Secret Scrolls" that had been kept
> hidden from the masses... and that Cornelius and Zira had been given
> access to them just after Zaius left for the Forbidden Zone with Ursus
> (and, of course, had not been brought with them in the spaceship, in
> Zira's carpet-bag, so that -- after their trip back to 1973 -- it could
> not be discovered by NASA guys, or those Marine Base guys, or by
> Hasslein and the Presidential Commission).
> If Cornelius and Zira should come to believe that that old scroll was
> not just an improbable Prehistorical tale or myth... but had actually
> been based on true history -- with themselves fulfilling the bit about
> descending on Earth from Earth's own future -- then, in order for the
> Future that they experienced to be prevented, wouldn't it be likely that
> altering the fates of Caesar's parents just might help to cause the
> Change?
> Everything Hasslein does -- in his attempt to change the future --
> serves to bring about that future, instead. And he's the guy with all
> that talk about the "infinite number of lanes" and "changing lanes" so
> as to change the Future.

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There should be no Oscar for Andy as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with this Guardian article they quote from in their article:

"I'm inclined to think that Fox and Serkis have a point here. But that doesn't mean I expect, or would even like to see, the actor on the best supporting nominees list when it's announced early next year. Here's why..."

"Apart from anything else, no one really knows how to quantify greatness in motion-captured acting yet, mostly because the number of films which have properly made use of the technology remains low. To put it bluntly: until we've seen bad motion-captured acting, it's going to be very difficult to say just how good the good stuff is. Serkis may have to accept that his career-defining performances will only truly be recognised as the technology becomes more commonplace, and awards bodies have a context within which to place his acting."

And if ROT POTA gets anywhere near a nomination for best picture Oscar the world (or at least the movie industry and it's customers) really has gone completely mad.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen these ads popping up on sites so I can vouch Fox is putting their money where their mouth is. But for those who haven't seen the ads yet, "the time is now".
>
> http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/the-time-is-now-andy-serkis-rise-oscar-campaign-has-begun/
>

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When I look at the 'the time is now' ad that shows Caesar's face above a picture of Serkis that is obviously intended to show him 'doing the acting', apart from the same arch of the eyebrows I see two different expressions myself. So just how great is the acting and how much is really done by computers? And there's the problem..

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen these ads popping up on sites so I can vouch Fox is putting their money where their mouth is. But for those who haven't seen the ads yet, "the time is now".
>
> http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/the-time-is-now-andy-serkis-rise-oscar-campaign-has-begun/
>

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I'm excited & hope to be able to say "I knew Neil when...."

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Well said Drew.
>
>
>
> And thanks so much in regards to Book 2. From myself, and all others who
> hope to see Neil Foster's name on a published work of POTA (good time to
> speak up now you lot!).
>
>
>
> Many thanks yet again!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Blam
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 10:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: NAMEless, GUTless......
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael - You are the owner of a fan group for a major licensed property -
> that kind of makes you a public figure. I have been bashed by people who
> don't get my work - and also don't seem to understand the appeal of apes as
> a franchise, and those bad reviews by bad writers are out forever on the web
> to gawk back at me.
>
> In regards to Neil on BOOK 2 - I will be ready with descriptions by February
> - the book is still being written right now. I will throw Neil an image on
> spec - at least I can do that. Then it will be up to the wolves to pull it
> apart or accept him into the pack.
>
> In summation: Haters are gonna hate, Players are gonna play, and lovers are
> gonna, well - love.
>
> Drew
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sal &
> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm actually quite shocked to have found this on the net.
> >
> >
> >
> > So when my kids look up my name...well, gee!
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope you can give Neil a shot - I have taken it on to try to get him a
> > published POTA comic one day and the GN would be just as good.
> >
> >
> >
> > Drew, just for the hell of it, shoot him a description and see what he
> comes
> > up with..no guarantees (understood) but really, just ask him to do
> > something. We were going to try to do something for you and submit it, but
> > it might not have been correct for the story.
> >
> >
> >
> > Worst outcome is we can probably use it for a comic cover if you don't
> need
> > it!
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, let me know what you think.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Blam
> > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011 4:59 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: NAMEless, GUTless......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow - out of date posting is out of date.
> >
> > The stuff about Neil and me is out of this world. I haven't pursued
> anything
> > with Neil yet because I answer to a higher authority- or two. They are FOX
> > and ARCHAIA, and I had to concede to their wishes for established talent
> on
> > Conspiracy.
> >
> > Also, I have no quarrel with Mr. Whitty - despite him calling my cell
> phone
> > long distance from Australia to the states 2 years ago (lol).
> >
> > But even if I did, I would never hold bad feeling for one person against
> > another - its not Neil's fault that Michael doesn't know how much AT&T
> > sucks.
> >
> > FYI - to clarify, I am joking here Michael - no harm intended!
> >
> > Neil - I might be able to do something about that for DEATH (book 2). No
> > promises, but I will try...
> >
> > Love to all,
> > Drew
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > PofTAfan@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Somebody had a hissy fit. Wow, and it wasn't me who wrote that!
> > >
> > > kevin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@>
> > > To: PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > Sent: Fri, Nov 25, 2011 1:06 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] NAMEless, GUTless......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow. Anyway, whatever...
> > >
> > > Jess.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess it wasn't very successful if you didn't find out about it until
> > now. It was posted April 2010.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Sal & Mick
> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:31 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] NAMEless, GUTless......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is kind of hilarious:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://warnerkern.blogspot.com/2010/04/planet-of-apes-discussion-group.html"
> > >
> > > Anyone got the balls to own up to it?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> >
>

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Aswell as his skills, Neil knows the mythology inside-out, which has got to be another bonus for a project like this which has so much attention to details.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Well said Drew.
>
>
>
> And thanks so much in regards to Book 2. From myself, and all others who
> hope to see Neil Foster's name on a published work of POTA (good time to
> speak up now you lot!).
>
>
>
> Many thanks yet again!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Blam
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 10:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: NAMEless, GUTless......
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael - You are the owner of a fan group for a major licensed property -
> that kind of makes you a public figure. I have been bashed by people who
> don't get my work - and also don't seem to understand the appeal of apes as
> a franchise, and those bad reviews by bad writers are out forever on the web
> to gawk back at me.
>
> In regards to Neil on BOOK 2 - I will be ready with descriptions by February
> - the book is still being written right now. I will throw Neil an image on
> spec - at least I can do that. Then it will be up to the wolves to pull it
> apart or accept him into the pack.
>
> In summation: Haters are gonna hate, Players are gonna play, and lovers are
> gonna, well - love.
>
> Drew
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sal &
> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm actually quite shocked to have found this on the net.
> >
> >
> >
> > So when my kids look up my name...well, gee!
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope you can give Neil a shot - I have taken it on to try to get him a
> > published POTA comic one day and the GN would be just as good.
> >
> >
> >
> > Drew, just for the hell of it, shoot him a description and see what he
> comes
> > up with..no guarantees (understood) but really, just ask him to do
> > something. We were going to try to do something for you and submit it, but
> > it might not have been correct for the story.
> >
> >
> >
> > Worst outcome is we can probably use it for a comic cover if you don't
> need
> > it!
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, let me know what you think.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Blam
> > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011 4:59 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: NAMEless, GUTless......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow - out of date posting is out of date.
> >
> > The stuff about Neil and me is out of this world. I haven't pursued
> anything
> > with Neil yet because I answer to a higher authority- or two. They are FOX
> > and ARCHAIA, and I had to concede to their wishes for established talent
> on
> > Conspiracy.
> >
> > Also, I have no quarrel with Mr. Whitty - despite him calling my cell
> phone
> > long distance from Australia to the states 2 years ago (lol).
> >
> > But even if I did, I would never hold bad feeling for one person against
> > another - its not Neil's fault that Michael doesn't know how much AT&T
> > sucks.
> >
> > FYI - to clarify, I am joking here Michael - no harm intended!
> >
> > Neil - I might be able to do something about that for DEATH (book 2). No
> > promises, but I will try...
> >
> > Love to all,
> > Drew
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > PofTAfan@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Somebody had a hissy fit. Wow, and it wasn't me who wrote that!
> > >
> > > kevin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@>
> > > To: PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > Sent: Fri, Nov 25, 2011 1:06 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] NAMEless, GUTless......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow. Anyway, whatever...
> > >
> > > Jess.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess it wasn't very successful if you didn't find out about it until
> > now. It was posted April 2010.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Sal & Mick
> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:31 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] NAMEless, GUTless......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> http://warnerkern.blogspot.com/2010/04/planet-of-apes-discussion-group.html"
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Thanks Tim. Yeah, I don't want to see another stinking cartoon ape for a long time!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
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> Neil, this is awesome! THanks so much for doing this! I'm sure it was a helluva job.....
> can't wait to print out the cover and add it to my Apes CD's!!
> Tim
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Funny about that lady's reaction.

:)

Jess.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...> wrote:

Sounds like you had a great time Jeff.

Thanks for the update…

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2011 5:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" writers Q & A

Last night I went to Jeff Goldsmith's screening of "Rise" followed by an Q & A with the writers Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver. Jeff does these screenings often and then podcasts the Q & As. So you'll be able to hear and this one was a doozy. Goldsmith does marathon Q & As. But I did ask about "Rise 2" coming out in 2013 and mentioned it's the 50th anniversary of Boulle's book. Rick joked "Please don't tell the studio" and then admitted it would be "take a lot of work" but would be cool if it could be released that year. Of course there are a lot of variables whether it will or not and they are currently just trying to get the script done. Which can be a mountain in itself as the evening detailed their 5 year odyssey of writing "Rise" (they were fired 3 times). Also, during a question about the oddity of "Rise" being a POTA movie where the apes don't talk, Amanda said one of the big questions for the sequel was whether they will talk (she wouldn't tell us).

The evening was totally supported by Fox which provided the blu-ray that was shown on a big movie screen (looked great) and Jeff was able to watch the extras to provide more questions (besides being a big Apes fan himself). Fox also provided us with blu-ray posters, which Rick and Amanda patiently signed. I was also able to grab the 12/8/11 Daily Variety with the hologram Andy Serkis on the cover from a local newsstand.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/thrs-the-time-is-now-holographic-andy-serkis-oscar-ad-cover/

About half the audience hadn't seen "Rise" either so that was fun. The lady next to me kept reacting vocally to the movie and admitted later she almost had to leave the theater when Caesar was busted and sent to the ape place, she was so wound up emotionally. Other than that I'll let the podcast speak for itself when it hits.

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I found this photo from Conquest, and thought it looked similar to the window...but I could be reaching.

Jess.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Yeah, it was good especially since Jeff knows his "Apes". One thing he mentioned was that Caesar's symbol (the window) looks like the warning in the Forbidden Zone in the original. I don't know what he means by that.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:20 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" writers Q & A

Sounds like you had a great time Jeff.

Thanks for the update…

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2011 5:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" writers Q & A

Last night I went to Jeff Goldsmith's screening of "Rise" followed by an Q & A with the writers Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver. Jeff does these screenings often and then podcasts the Q & As. So you'll be able to hear and this one was a doozy. Goldsmith does marathon Q & As. But I did ask about "Rise 2" coming out in 2013 and mentioned it's the 50th anniversary of Boulle's book. Rick joked "Please don't tell the studio" and then admitted it would be "take a lot of work" but would be cool if it could be released that year. Of course there are a lot of variables whether it will or not and they are currently just trying to get the script done. Which can be a mountain in itself as the evening detailed their 5 year odyssey of writing "Rise" (they were fired 3 times). Also, during a question about the oddity of "Rise" being a POTA movie where the apes don't talk, Amanda said one of the big questions for the sequel was whether they will talk (she wouldn't tell us).

The evening was totally supported by Fox which provided the blu-ray that was shown on a big movie screen (looked great) and Jeff was able to watch the extras to provide more questions (besides being a big Apes fan himself). Fox also provided us with blu-ray posters, which Rick and Amanda patiently signed. I was also able to grab the 12/8/11 Daily Variety with the hologram Andy Serkis on the cover from a local newsstand.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/thrs-the-time-is-now-holographic-andy-serkis-oscar-ad-cover/

About half the audience hadn't seen "Rise" either so that was fun. The lady next to me kept reacting vocally to the movie and admitted later she almost had to leave the theater when Caesar was busted and sent to the ape place, she was so wound up emotionally. Other than that I'll let the podcast speak for itself when it hits.

I quite like this:

http://thehairpin.com/2011/08/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-a-response

Neil T.

Maybe he means one of the scarecrows tipped over a bit? I can't think of any other symbols in the FZ.

And it looks like someone has already been making money off of it:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/80500881/caesars-window-rise-of-the-planet-of-the

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>he mentioned was that Caesar's symbol (the window) looks like the warning in the Forbidden Zone in the original. I don't know what he means by that.

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And here I was thinking you were getting me the Rise DVD and some Clockwork Orange eye clamps so I would have to sit and watch it endlessly until I finally started to like it! ;-)

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
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> Oh now you've gone and ruined your Xmas present Neil!
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2011 10:08 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" writers Q & A
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>
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>
>
> Maybe he means one of the scarecrows tipped over a bit? I can't think of any
> other symbols in the FZ.
>
> And it looks like someone has already been making money off of it:
> http://www.etsy.com/listing/80500881/caesars-window-rise-of-the-planet-of-th
> e
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> Neil T.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jeff K."
> <veetus@> wrote:
> >he mentioned was that Caesar's symbol (the window) looks like the warning
> in the Forbidden Zone in the original. I don't know what he means by that.
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Well by now I'm sure all of you have bought your Rise of the Planet of the Apes Blu-Rays/DVDs and have watched not only the movie but the deleted scenes. Did everyone spot yet another POTA hommage in the deleted scenes? A nice one I thought.

Unfortunately the deleted scenes did not really add to any significant changes to the movie as I had hoped. I hoped that there would be more to the Cornelia relationship. As far as I can tell, most of the deleted scenes were indeed just clutter and deservedly cut.

I was hoping that there was a more sanguine 'Director's cut' in the future. oh well.

Dario

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Really? What with all the terrible cuts and plot holes and other major flaws he prefers it that way!? And no cut scenes that actually make a difference to those flaws and bad cuts on the blu-ray extras? So the bad cutting has no explanation other than sloppy and bad film making it seems.
I saw his other movie recently. the Escape or whatever it's called and found that to be another movie that flatters to deceive. Seems like an okay story until you get to the end of it when it becomes completely dumb. I don't care how 'hot' he is at the moment, I personally don't think he's a very good director.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The "Rise of the POTA" blu-ray hit and whatever went on with Caesar's love interest Cornelia didn't make an ape-pearance in the deleted scenes. Director Rupert Wyatt explains to Ape Central about Cornelia and that the subplot was taken out of the film because they were afraid it would be too campy. He also says it's his preferred version of the film so don't expect a director's cut.
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> http://www.apecentral.net/2011/12/deleted-scenes-exclusive-interview-with-rise-director-rupert-wyatt.html
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I picked up on that from the early script I read. If you look at the online comic prequel from BOOM, they gave Caesar's father the same birthmark, which was some nice attention to detail.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> What's the deal with Caesar's birthmark. They point out that his father Alpha had the same birthmark and originally died trying to protect his mother (even though that wasn't shown ultimately). It's the birthmark of a warrior. But it still came in handy when Caesar was nekid.

But it appeared in the film unexplained making it confusing and ultimately pointless for people that did notice it (like me)

What a pity the film makers didn't show as much attention to detail as the comic creators.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> I picked up on that from the early script I read. If you look at the online comic prequel from BOOM, they gave Caesar's father the same birthmark, which was some nice attention to detail.

If you slow it right down and watch it Caesar doesn't just ride the horse he magically morphs from it. Also just noticed, after he has charged them on the horse it just disappears never to be seen on the bridge again, sloppy.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> It was important to him to have an ape on horseback because that gave him nightmares for weeks when he saw it in the original (beast harnessing beast) and he goes so far as to say that's why he wanted to do the movie

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Just wanted to let you know that the first wave of calendars have already been sent out. The next wave of calendars will be sent out tomorrow...in case you were wondering.

Jess.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:34 PM, jessica rotich < jessicarotich@...> wrote:

The calendar starts with December of 2011, and goes through until March of 2013. Each page features between 4 and 5 pictures of the lady costumers of the Replica Prop Forum (RPF). The calendar will be professionally printed and will be available by this December. Matt Munson is planning on making a print run of only 100 calendars, $20 shipped within the US, $22 shipped on foreign soil. Shrink wrapped. Will help to raise funds for the R2-KT Charity.

Information on ordering will be up here soon: Matt Munson on the web! with ordering instructions, and maybe more pictures and some more details of the participants for those that do not have access to the RPF or the junkyard on the RPF.

I know he's meant to be hiding/riding low but slow it right down and watch it Jeff, before it cuts to the closer image of him on the horse when it's further back there is plainly no ape on the horse. Even if he was "riding low" you would still be able to see some part of him but there is nothing until he 'emerges' from it.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Caesar is riding low on the horse (so they don't see him until the last minute) and presumably the horse gets out of Dodge. I would!
> Ha! I said "Dodge". I could write a POTA script!
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:50 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rupert Wyatt commentary (spoiler warning)
>
>
>
> If you slow it right down and watch it Caesar doesn't just ride the horse he magically morphs from it. Also just noticed, after he has charged them on the horse it just disappears never to be seen on the bridge again, sloppy.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > It was important to him to have an ape on horseback because that gave him nightmares for weeks when he saw it in the original (beast harnessing beast) and he goes so far as to say that's why he wanted to do the movie
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I reckon the Captain America people should get it, especially for shrinking the main actor's body down and making it look so natural before he becomes the Cap'.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>Overall they did an incredible job and will probably win the FX Oscar.

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http://bid.profilesinhistory.com/John-Chambers-collection-of-photographs-including-behind-the-scenes-photographs-with-numerous-stars_i11537185


Jess.