Also, I just remembered seeing POTA merchandise at http://www.scifi.com in their store.

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On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:26:01 stephanie dianne geter wrote:
>
>I've recently purchased the three 12"figures...but not a such a bargain price.
>
>I've come across the forthcoming (August) new sets of POTA figures...Go to
>http://www.entertainmentearth.com and do a "quick search" for Planet of the Apes.
>
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>Hello Sam...
>It's been a while since ive been able to get out to any projekt shows as ive
>been in England, but ive been in LA this last week and was able to catch your
>performance at coven 13; it was an incredible show, i really enjoyed it. I
>said hello to your new singer and congratulated her with her performance, but
>i wasnt able to catch you or Lisa. Anyway it was great to finally get out
>and see Black Tape for the first time. Good luck with your future shows...
>sincerely,
>Lawrence Symes

Thanks for your email, and I'm glad that you enjoyed our show. Coven 13 is
a *great* place to do a show... keep in touch!


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Hey everyone,

Check out <apemania.com> it's only a site-in-progress. The REAL site is due to debut in July.

B

steven.temple@... wrote:

> Hello everyone...Been terribly quiet out here on this site!
>
> Just an FYI for collectors: I went to Toys R Us the other day and they had the 12" figures for $4.99 each. That's a great bargain for Cornelius, Dr. Zaius and Gen. Ursus. I'm sure Philip could make some great conversions with extra parts like those! I'm not sure if all of the stores have them on discount, but check around and see.
>
> Also, has anyone seen the new figures in the stores or have any site information (pics, etc.)?
>
> We should think about using the chat feature on egroups sometime. It would be nice to talk to some of you in real time. Has anyone out there tried it?
> Has anyone heard any recent updates on the new movie?
>
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Correcting the info from the previous message:

It's not Playstation, it's FOX interactive and the game is going to be very
cool.

B

Pterosaur3@... wrote:

> Hey! I heard through the grapevine..that they will be available in July...I
> saw them in Toy Shop magazine a few months ago. They come in canister tube
> instead of boxes. There are also 7 inch figures due out in late summer. There
> is also a Sony playstation game in the works for 2000. How do I sent Ape info
> to everyone..I'm part of the group..but can't figure out how to send mail to
> all members. Thanks Rob
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NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE
APES - LOOK:
www.mcanet.com.br/lostinspace/apes/apes.htmlbr> LAST UPDATED: JUNE 30, 1999


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NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE
APES - LOOK:
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.html Looks great but where's our link?

http://www.apemania.com

Brian

Luiz Adami wrote:

NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE
APES - LOOK:
www.mcanet.com.br/lostinspace/apes/apes.html
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Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Julho de 1999 13:22
Assunto: [pota] Re: NEWS

Looks great but where's our link?

http://www.apemania.com

Brian

Luiz Adami wrote:

NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE APES NEWS - PLANET OF THE
APES - LOOK:
www.mcanet.com.br/lostinspace/apes/apes.html
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For those interested...
here is another source for finding Set #2 of the 12-inch Signature Series Figures.

http://www.diamondcomics.com/toychest/toys/99_05/planetapes.htm

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Does anyone know of a good source to buy the new Hasbro figures, due out this month (July)? Hasbro's web site mentions retail outlets such as Toys 'R' Us, but I'd like to know if there's a reputable online source. Thanks.


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They were selling the second series on www.entertainmentearth.com/ . Do a
quick search for Planet of the Apes. The figures off that site are extremely
expensive though.

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To anyone who knows:

Hey, I got this e-mailed to me:

>From: "eGroups.com Bounce Manager"
><pota-return-okay-smoothrt=hotmail.com@...>
>To: smoothrt@...
>Subject: WARNING: too many bounced messages
>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:30:11 -0000
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>Messages to you from the pota e-group seem to have been
>bouncing.
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>If this message bounces too, a probe will be sent to you. If the
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Anyone know what it's about?




Ross (Dr. Milo)

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No.

Please, look our PLANET OF THE APES Web Page:

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I would love to watch the POTA TV series on a British VHS recorder. Is it
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Does anybody know if the new widescreen 30th anniversary edition of Battle of
the Planet of the Apes contains the scenes where: where Kolp explains to Alma
how and when to launch the Alpha Omega bomb and; the scene where Alma arms
the bomb but Mendez talks her out of it. If anybody has any info on that I
would very much appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Chris
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These scenes are only available on the Japanese laser disc box set released about
two years ago.
Also included is the scene of Aldo climbing on to the roof of the school bus in
triumph w/ the other gorillas chanting his name. Fox did not include this version
of "Battle" as part of the 30th Anniversary video release.
Best,
KEN

BlakerG@... wrote:

> Does anybody know if the new widescreen 30th anniversary edition of Battle of
> the Planet of the Apes contains the scenes where: where Kolp explains to Alma
> how and when to launch the Alpha Omega bomb and; the scene where Alma arms
> the bomb but Mendez talks her out of it. If anybody has any info on that I
> would very much appreciate it.
> Sincerely,
> Chris
> BlakerG@...
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Thanks very much Ken
Sincerely,
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Ken,
Do you know if the laser disc is in English or anything?

Also this is to the group; if I were to set up a chat room for POTA on my
webpage, would anybody be interested in that?

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Defiantly.

-Caesar.

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Laser disc set is in English w/ japanese subtitles. The movies are presented
in widescreen so the subtitles do not obstruct the movie.
best,
KEN

BlakerG@... wrote:

> Ken,
> Do you know if the laser disc is in English or anything?
>
> Also this is to the group; if I were to set up a chat room for POTA on my
> webpage, would anybody be interested in that?
>
> Chris
>
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From: Philip G Logie
phillogie@...

we are convinced that there was a scene that has somehow been lost from that
screening. the scene occurs just after zira and her nephew lucius rescue
taylor and nova from the prison sector for humans............

the wagon that they are travelling in is stopped by a gorilla patrol who ask
what they are carrying. zira replies that they are transporting humans
carrying communicable deseases and that the plague they are carrying is
highly infectious. from this news they allow them to pass stating that the
only good human is a dead human!

please enlighten as we would like to know why this scene has been ommitted
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Terry Hoknes wrote:

>
> the wagon that they are travelling in is stopped by a gorilla patrol who ask
> what they are carrying. zira replies that they are transporting humans
> carrying communicable deseases and that the plague they are carrying is
> highly infectious. from this news they allow them to pass stating that the
> only good human is a dead human!

I don't know if it was ever in any cut of the film, but the scene was
shot (it's in the script, and there is a still from this scene floating
around).

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Has anyone seen the three new Ape's 12" figures out yet? Supposed
to be out fairly soon...

90-CORVETTE
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Thanks for the info.
Sincerely,
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Yes, Ape friends,

this information as correct. I have PLANET OF THE APES screenplay copy - is
true!

And this scene was used in PLANET OF THE APES comics version (Marvel, 1974).

Adami
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>Ken,
>Do you know if the laser disc is in English or anything?
>
>Also this is to the group; if I were to set up a chat room for POTA on my
>webpage, would anybody be interested in that?
>
>Chris

Hi. I registered the url:

theplanetoftheapes.com

Does anyone have any suggestion as to what I should do with it?


- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

The first thing I can think of would be to ask 20th Century Fox not to put
your arse in jail for registering the name of a copyrighted FOX property.
Folks should be very careful about using POTA names and images, of any kind
in any way, because FOX is very protective of it's property.

Good Luck, See you in Sing-Sing

Brian


sam rosenthal wrote:

>
> Hi. I registered the url:
>
> theplanetoftheapes.com
>
> Does anyone have any suggestion as to what I should do with it?
>
> - Sam Rosenthal
> _____________

Hi, fellow ape fans,

My name is Anthony B. McElveen. I've been a Planet of the Apes fan since
the early 70's, but I've been collecting the merchandise seriously for
about ten years. Although I mostly collect toys, I also have a lot of
other items.

My favorite apes are gorillas and my favorite character is Julius. For a
gorilla, he's pretty laid back.

I look forward to joining in on some of the discussions here. I don't know
everything about everything yet, but I'm trying. :)

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Make your own pota webpage with it. Or mabye try and sell the url to Fox.
Where did you register it, and was it free ?

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Hi all...
Since there seems to a bunch of new people lately (and actual activity on
the list again) I'll make another appeal. If anyone has a POTA Deka
(plastic) plate they'd like to sell, please contact me. It was part of a
4-piece set and is sectioned off into I believe 3 parts. I keep checking
ebay but I've seen one come up in the last 6 months. Thanks a bunch !
I did see a few of the new 7" figures for sale on ebay this week with some
cool pics.

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Hi, Anthony McElveen!

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes universe!

Yes, Julius is a great character and Buck Kartalian is a good guy, too. I
Starcon 98, I meet Mr. Kartalian. He's funny!

I am PLANET OF THE APES fan, too! And I invite you to look my Web Site:

www.mcanet.com.br/lostinspace/apes/apes.htmlbr>
If you have interest, I am interested in exchange POTA merchandise items,
OK?

Bye for now,

Adami
tinarosa@...


-----Mensagem original-----
De: Anthony B. McElveen <ABMAC@...>
Para: Pota@egroups.com <Pota@egroups.com>
Data: Segunda-feira, 12 de Julho de 1999 20:46
Assunto: [pota] Introduction

>Hi, fellow ape fans,
>
>My name is Anthony B. McElveen. I've been a Planet of the Apes fan since
>the early 70's, but I've been collecting the merchandise seriously for
>about ten years. Although I mostly collect toys, I also have a lot of
>other items.
>
>My favorite apes are gorillas and my favorite character is Julius. For a
>gorilla, he's pretty laid back.
>
>I look forward to joining in on some of the discussions here. I don't know
>everything about everything yet, but I'm trying. :)
>
> ABMAC
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Titles can't be copyrighted, they can only be registered as trademarks.
You're safe as long as you don't use "Planet of the Apes" as the name of a
product or product line.

Images, sounds, music, etc., from the movies and television series are a
different matter. They ARE copyrighted and Fox can choose to take action
if they're used without permission.

ABMAC

P.S. A while back, someone mentioned a MIDI file of Planet of the Apes
music. I'd be very grateful if someone could send me the URL where it can
be downloaded. Thanks.

----------

> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] I registered the url:theplanetoftheapes.com
> Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 6:53 AM
>
>
>
> The first thing I can think of would be to ask 20th Century Fox not to

put

> your arse in jail for registering the name of a copyrighted FOX

property.

> Folks should be very careful about using POTA names and images, of any

kind

> in any way, because FOX is very protective of it's property.
>
> Good Luck, See you in Sing-Sing
>
> Brian
>
>
> sam rosenthal wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi. I registered the url:
> >
> > theplanetoftheapes.com
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestion as to what I should do with it?
> >
> > - Sam Rosenthal
> >

_____________

I'd be careful believing ANYTHING typed here without going directly to the
source, FOX's legal department. They will be able to tell you exactly what
you can and can't do. So before believing all of the "hear-say" and
hulabaloo that goes back and forth on the net, do some serious homework. Once
you know the real facts, then you know what you can and can't do.

It's simple. Write or call:

20th Century Fox Film Corp.
PO Box 900
Beverly Hills, Ca 90213
(310) 369-4600

Good luck.


"Anthony B. McElveen" wrote:

> Titles can't be copyrighted, they can only be registered as trademarks.
> You're safe as long as you don't use "Planet of the Apes" as the name of a
> product or product line.
>
> Images, sounds, music, etc., from the movies and television series are a
> different matter. They ARE copyrighted and Fox can choose to take action
> if they're used without permission.
>
> ABMAC
>
> P.S. A while back, someone mentioned a MIDI file of Planet of the Apes
> music. I'd be very grateful if someone could send me the URL where it can
> be downloaded. Thanks.
>
> ----------
> > From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> > To: pota@egroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] I registered the url:theplanetoftheapes.com
> > Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 6:53 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > The first thing I can think of would be to ask 20th Century Fox not to
> put
> > your arse in jail for registering the name of a copyrighted FOX
> property.
> > Folks should be very careful about using POTA names and images, of any
> kind
> > in any way, because FOX is very protective of it's property.
> >
> > Good Luck, See you in Sing-Sing
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > sam rosenthal wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi. I registered the url:
> > >
> > > theplanetoftheapes.com
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any suggestion as to what I should do with it?
> > >
> > > - Sam Rosenthal
> > >
> _____________

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Hi Anthony,
Thanks for making contact. I too am a pretty serious APE collector ( who isn't
these days?).
I live in Australia and work for 2oth Century Fox Home Entertainment ( and have
done so for 15 years now). If anyone told me when I was 12 that someday I'd be
working for the company responsible for Planet of the Apes..well, I wouldn't
have believed them.
Anyway, I thought I'd take the liberty of attaching my current APES wants list
just in case you have or know of any of the items I'm after and furthermore (
long shot..I know) have any for sale or trade.
Anyway, please feel free to contact me should you want to discuss APES or APE
collectibles.
Thanks and best regards,
KEN

Anthony B. McElveen wrote:

> Hi, fellow ape fans,
>
> My name is Anthony B. McElveen. I've been a Planet of the Apes fan since
> the early 70's, but I've been collecting the merchandise seriously for
> about ten years. Although I mostly collect toys, I also have a lot of
> other items.
>
> My favorite apes are gorillas and my favorite character is Julius. For a
> gorilla, he's pretty laid back.
>
> I look forward to joining in on some of the discussions here. I don't know
> everything about everything yet, but I'm trying. :)
>
> ABMAC
>
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You have to get an adaptor from an electronics store that will enable you to
play VHS video tapes from North America. If you get that then you could
easily watch our tapes.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 2:51 PM
Subject: [pota] TV Series


> I would love to watch the POTA TV series on a British VHS recorder. Is it
> possible? Yours, Toby.


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>The first thing I can think of would be to ask 20th Century Fox not to put
>your arse in jail for registering the name of a copyrighted FOX property.
>Folks should be very careful about using POTA names and images, of any kind
>in any way, because FOX is very protective of it's property.
>
>Good Luck, See you in Sing-Sing
>
>Brian

Brian --- the Trademarked name is "planet of the apes" not "the planet of
the apes" -- does that matter?

>Make your own pota webpage with it. Or mabye try and sell the url to Fox.
>Where did you register it, and was it free ?
>
>Chris

Chris, there's a site called "register.com" where you can register a url.
It costs $75 for two years (just for the rights to the name). Then you also
have to pay for Web "hosting" . . . which you can do wherever you like.

>Titles can't be copyrighted, they can only be registered as trademarks.
>You're safe as long as you don't use "Planet of the Apes" as the name of a
>product or product line.
>Anthony B. McElveen

Well, then I guess that means Brian can spend his time in sing-sing alone!!!


- Sam Rosenthal
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Hey Sam,

I'm not a copyright attorney, but after 18 years in show-biz I have picked up a
few things about the law and how huge corporations can squish people.

Off hand, I don't believe Fox would mind if you put up a fan site on the web.
It's only when you start making money from it that they will step in,
ESPECIALLY if you are selling unlicensed merchandise (such as copy-negged movie
stills, limited edition Pez candy dispensers, display busts, masks, etc.).

I still think it's worth a call to the legal department. To be sure.

Everything we do has Fox's blessing and endorsement thanx to me going to the
source and asking questions. It's not hard. It's just a fone call.

Brian

........................................

I'd be careful believing ANYTHING typed here without going directly to the
source, FOX's legal department. They will be able to tell you exactly what
you can and can't do. So before believing all of the "hear-say" and
hulabaloo that goes back and forth on the net, do some serious homework. Once
you know the real facts, then you know what you can and can't do.

It's simple. Write or call:

20th Century Fox Film Corp.
PO Box 900
Beverly Hills, Ca 90213
(310) 369-4600
sam rosenthal wrote:

> >The first thing I can think of would be to ask 20th Century Fox not to put
> >your arse in jail for registering the name of a copyrighted FOX property.
> >Folks should be very careful about using POTA names and images, of any kind
> >in any way, because FOX is very protective of it's property.
> >
> >Good Luck, See you in Sing-Sing
> >
> >Brian
>
> Brian --- the Trademarked name is "planet of the apes" not "the planet of
> the apes" -- does that matter?
>
> >Make your own pota webpage with it. Or mabye try and sell the url to Fox.
> >Where did you register it, and was it free ?
> >
> >Chris
>
> Chris, there's a site called "register.com" where you can register a url.
> It costs $75 for two years (just for the rights to the name). Then you also
> have to pay for Web "hosting" . . . which you can do wherever you like.
>
> >Titles can't be copyrighted, they can only be registered as trademarks.
> >You're safe as long as you don't use "Planet of the Apes" as the name of a
> >product or product line.
> >Anthony B. McElveen
>
> Well, then I guess that means Brian can spend his time in sing-sing alone!!!
>
> - Sam Rosenthal
> _____________

Thanks for the info Sam. I wish they would make a free url registry, they've
made almost every other service online free.

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Brian,

What exactly is the history of the displays as per your scan attachment?
Are these authentic or copies?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dumont [afryt4u@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 18:30
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: I registered the url:theplanetoftheapes.com
>
>
> Hey Sam,
>
> I'm not a copyright attorney, but after 18 years in show-biz I
> have picked up a
> few things about the law and how huge corporations can squish people.
>
> Off hand, I don't believe Fox would mind if you put up a fan site
> on the web.
> It's only when you start making money from it that they will step in,
> ESPECIALLY if you are selling unlicensed merchandise (such as
> copy-negged movie
> stills, limited edition Pez candy dispensers, display busts, masks, etc.).
>
> I still think it's worth a call to the legal department. To be sure.
>
> Everything we do has Fox's blessing and endorsement thanx to me
> going to the
> source and asking questions. It's not hard. It's just a fone call.
>
> Brian
>
> ........................................
>
> I'd be careful believing ANYTHING typed here without going directly to the
> source, FOX's legal department. They will be able to tell you
> exactly what
> you can and can't do. So before believing all of the "hear-say" and
> hulabaloo that goes back and forth on the net, do some serious
> homework. Once
> you know the real facts, then you know what you can and can't do.
>
> It's simple. Write or call:
>
> 20th Century Fox Film Corp.
> PO Box 900
> Beverly Hills, Ca 90213
> (310) 369-4600
> sam rosenthal wrote:
>
> > >The first thing I can think of would be to ask 20th Century
> Fox not to put
> > >your arse in jail for registering the name of a copyrighted
> FOX property.
> > >Folks should be very careful about using POTA names and
> images, of any kind
> > >in any way, because FOX is very protective of it's property.
> > >
> > >Good Luck, See you in Sing-Sing
> > >
> > >Brian
> >
> > Brian --- the Trademarked name is "planet of the apes" not "the
> planet of
> > the apes" -- does that matter?
> >
> > >Make your own pota webpage with it. Or mabye try and sell the
> url to Fox.
> > >Where did you register it, and was it free ?
> > >
> > >Chris
> >
> > Chris, there's a site called "register.com" where you can
> register a url.
> > It costs $75 for two years (just for the rights to the name).
> Then you also
> > have to pay for Web "hosting" . . . which you can do wherever you like.
> >
> > >Titles can't be copyrighted, they can only be registered as trademarks.
> > >You're safe as long as you don't use "Planet of the Apes" as
> the name of a
> > >product or product line.
> > >Anthony B. McElveen
> >
> > Well, then I guess that means Brian can spend his time in
> sing-sing alone!!!
> >
> > - Sam Rosenthal
> >
> _____________

High guys. I am doing a research paper for my political science class
on the Planet of the Apes. I think Pota has a lot to say about several
social issues like race, religion, and nuclear war to name just a few.
I was hoping that you could share some of you insights and opinions on
the movie.

Also if you have any knowledge of sites or links where I could find
info that is quotable in a research paper that would be fantastic. I
havent found much so far.

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Try the book "Planet of the Apes as American Myth - Race, Politics and
Popular Culture", by Eric Greene.

wyatt smith wrote:

>
> High guys. I am doing a research paper for my political science class
> on the Planet of the Apes. I think Pota has a lot to say about several
> social issues like race, religion, and nuclear war to name just a few.
> I was hoping that you could share some of you insights and opinions on
> the movie.
>
> Also if you have any knowledge of sites or links where I could find
> info that is quotable in a research paper that would be fantastic. I
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>
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I just received an e-mail from Sue Lake of Consumer Relations at Inkworks (the company that produced the latest Planet of the Apes Archives I Card Set).

Sue states that the company plans on releasing another set (on the TV show) sometime during the next year.

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Hey everyone,

A friend of mine is selling Sal Mineo's Astronaut suit from "Escape form
the Planet of the Apes". Any of you hard-core APE collectors
interested?

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Yes,

I have interest!

Adami
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De: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Data: Quinta-feira, 15 de Julho de 1999 22:53
Assunto: [pota] Sal Mineo's Astronaut suit from Escape

>Hey everyone,
>
>A friend of mine is selling Sal Mineo's Astronaut suit from "Escape form
>the Planet of the Apes". Any of you hard-core APE collectors
>interested?
>
>Brian
>
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Okay Luis,

I'll find out how much he wants for it and I'll let you know. I'll also
find out if it has gloves, boots, etc.

Brian


Luiz Adami wrote:

> Yes,
>
> I have interest!
>
> Adami
> tinarosa@...
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> Data: Quinta-feira, 15 de Julho de 1999 22:53
> Assunto: [pota] Sal Mineo's Astronaut suit from Escape
>
> >Hey everyone,
> >
> >A friend of mine is selling Sal Mineo's Astronaut suit from "Escape form
> >the Planet of the Apes". Any of you hard-core APE collectors
> >interested?
> >
> >Brian
> >
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Sorry folks. That Sal Mineo Space suit (albeit painted silver for some Reluctant
Astronaut film) sold today for 10G's. The NEW owner contacted us to restore it to
it's original splendor, so look for it on our "Artifacts and Collectibles" page of
the APEMANIA website in the next few months. This one should prove to be an
interesting restoration.


I'll keep you posted to other rarities as I hear about them.

Have a good weekend.

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Howdy fans,

I thought I'd let you know that we will shortly be offering a whole line
of LICENSED goodies. Wow! Ain't that a kick. REAL Fox endorsed
merchandise! Who woulda thought??? That's right, licensed limited
edition Planet of the Apes articles unlike anything that has ever been
available. And you don't have to drop a load on eBay to not even come
close to a reserve price either!

Please visit our "Artifacts and Collectibles" page at
<http://www.apemania.com> for all the new items coming your way in
August of 1999.

Here's a teaser photo for one of the items that will be available.

This Ursus display is on it's way to Australia, but there are more to
follow.

Enjoy,

Brian
Keeper of the Glue and the Faith for Apemania
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Brian-

The pics are very cool, but can you perhaps consider refraining from
sending them to the list, when a URL link would do just as well? I see
you're an earthlink user - if your setup is anything like mine, you know
how large files can slow things down on the email program.

Thanks,

Phil



Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> Howdy fans,
>
> I thought I'd let you know that we will shortly be offering a whole line
> of LICENSED goodies. Wow! Ain't that a kick. REAL Fox endorsed
> merchandise! Who woulda thought??? That's right, licensed limited
> edition Planet of the Apes articles unlike anything that has ever been
> available. And you don't have to drop a load on eBay to not even come
> close to a reserve price either!
>
> Please visit our "Artifacts and Collectibles" page at
> <http://www.apemania.com> for all the new items coming your way in
> August of 1999.
>
> Here's a teaser photo for one of the items that will be available.
>
> This Ursus display is on it's way to Australia, but there are more to
> follow.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Brian
> Keeper of the Glue and the Faith for Apemania
> apeman@...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> GET $10 OFF ANY ORDER @ healthshop.com! No min. purchase req.
> Save on vitamins & supplements. Use coupon code: EGROUPS99
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Sorry to trouble you. We're on an ISDN here so downloads are not a
problem. I tend to forget that the rest of the world may still be doing
the ol' 44k modem deal.

Can't wait for fiber optics tho.

brian

Philip Nobile wrote:

>
> Brian-
>
> The pics are very cool, but can you perhaps consider refraining from
> sending them to the list, when a URL link would do just as well? I see
> you're an earthlink user - if your setup is anything like mine, you know
> how large files can slow things down on the email program.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
> Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> > Howdy fans,
> >
> > I thought I'd let you know that we will shortly be offering a whole line
> > of LICENSED goodies. Wow! Ain't that a kick. REAL Fox endorsed
> > merchandise! Who woulda thought??? That's right, licensed limited
> > edition Planet of the Apes articles unlike anything that has ever been
> > available. And you don't have to drop a load on eBay to not even come
> > close to a reserve price either!
> >
> > Please visit our "Artifacts and Collectibles" page at
> > <http://www.apemania.com> for all the new items coming your way in
> > August of 1999.
> >
> > Here's a teaser photo for one of the items that will be available.
> >
> > This Ursus display is on it's way to Australia, but there are more to
> > follow.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > Brian
> > Keeper of the Glue and the Faith for Apemania
> > apeman@...
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > GET $10 OFF ANY ORDER @ healthshop.com! No min. purchase req.
> > Save on vitamins & supplements. Use coupon code: EGROUPS99
> > at checkout. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/463
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What's the price?

Adami
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De: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Data: Domingo, 18 de Julho de 1999 02:30
Assunto: [pota] Apemania's LICENSED Ape items

>Howdy fans,
>
>I thought I'd let you know that we will shortly be offering a whole line
>of LICENSED goodies. Wow! Ain't that a kick. REAL Fox endorsed
>merchandise! Who woulda thought??? That's right, licensed limited
>edition Planet of the Apes articles unlike anything that has ever been
>available. And you don't have to drop a load on eBay to not even come
>close to a reserve price either!
>
>Please visit our "Artifacts and Collectibles" page at
><http://www.apemania.com> for all the new items coming your way in
>August of 1999.
>
>Here's a teaser photo for one of the items that will be available.
>
>This Ursus display is on it's way to Australia, but there are more to
>follow.
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Brian
>Keeper of the Glue and the Faith for Apemania
>apeman@...
>
>
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Here's something sure to wet your pallets:

Surf to:

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=134324695>

Hold onto your wigs folks! This is only the beginning!

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>Sorry to trouble you. We're on an ISDN here so downloads are not a
>problem. I tend to forget that the rest of the world may still be doing
>the ol' 44k modem deal.

we're so damn proud of you. get off the list!


- Armando (remembering why he hates humans)


- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

Will you quit hogging this list with your incessant self-promotion!!!! And
stop emailing us your unsolicited files -- not all of us are as high on
your bad self as you are!!!!


Listmaster: is there a way we can forbid this guy from hawking his bullshit
on the list???



- Armando (remembering why he hates humans)

>Howdy fans,
>
>I thought I'd let you know that we will shortly be offering a whole line
>of LICENSED goodies. Wow! Ain't that a kick. REAL Fox endorsed
>merchandise! Who woulda thought??? That's right, licensed limited
>edition Planet of the Apes articles unlike anything that has ever been
>available. And you don't have to drop a load on eBay to not even come
>close to a reserve price either!

- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

>Here's something sure to wet your pallets:
>
>Surf to:
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=134324695>
>
>Hold onto your wigs folks! This is only the beginning!
>
>Brian

Will you cut it out already. Can someone ban this guy from the list . . .


- Armando (remembering why he hates humans)


- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

he actually isn;t doign anything which is against the rules...But I'd like
ask now that EVERYONE try to limit their soliciting on the list. DOn;t stop
it completly, as I know many people enjoy it, but try not to do it THAT much

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Sam Rosenthal clogged my inbox with:

> Will you quit hogging this list with your incessant self-promotion!!!! And
> stop emailing us your unsolicited files -- not all of us are as high on
> your bad self as you are!!!!
>
>
> Listmaster: is there a way we can forbid this guy from hawking his bullshit
> on the list???

and

> we're so damn proud of you. get off the list!

and

> Will you cut it out already. Can someone ban this guy from the list . . .
>
> - Armando (remembering why he hates humans)

I, for one, enjoy Brian¹s posts. He has access to stuff that most of us
can only dream of. Instead of hoarding it, he¹s going to make licensed
copies so we can all share in his good fortune. What¹s the problem with
that? Does it bother you that he¹s selling repros instead of giving
them away? That¹s a little unrealistic, don¹t you think? The only
behavior that I¹ve seen here that would warrant the kind of action
you¹re suggesting is your little tirade. Yes, it was a breach of
etiquette to post binary files to the mailing list, but that was minor.
Besides, he apologized for it and hasn¹t done it again since he was
asked to stop.

If there¹s a personal reason why Brian¹s posts bug you so much, filter
your mail and get on with your life. That¹s how I¹m going to handle
your posts in the future.

Anthony
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Nice response, sir. I was going to say something along those lines when I
got home. No need now-

Phil


___

I am in complete agreement of what Anthony said previously about
Brian's postings. I too enjoyed the pics that Brian brought to us and
I didn't mind the wait. I hope he continues to bring us info. on such
items (within the guidelines set by the moderator of course). I think
we can do without the profanity and accusations posted by Armando
(Sam). And as for incessant self-promotion, may I remind Sam of post
#304, where he was discussing his band, Black Tape...

- Alexander

<199907201805.oaa0375-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=359

> Sam Rosenthal clogged my inbox with:
>
> > Will you quit hogging this list with your incessant

self-promotion!!!! And

> > stop emailing us your unsolicited files -- not all of us are as

high on

> > your bad self as you are!!!!
> >
> >
> > Listmaster: is there a way we can forbid this guy from hawking his

bullshit

> > on the list???
>
> and
>
> > we're so damn proud of you. get off the list!
>
> and
>
> > Will you cut it out already. Can someone ban this guy from the list

. . .

> >
> > - Armando (remembering why he hates humans)
>
> I, for one, enjoy Brian1s posts. He has access to stuff that most of

us

> can only dream of. Instead of hoarding it, he1s going to make

licensed

> copies so we can all share in his good fortune. What1s the problem

with

> that? Does it bother you that he1s selling repros instead of giving
> them away? That1s a little unrealistic, don1t you think? The only
> behavior that I1ve seen here that would warrant the kind of action
> you1re suggesting is your little tirade. Yes, it was a breach of
> etiquette to post binary files to the mailing list, but that was

minor.

> Besides, he apologized for it and hasn1t done it again since he was
> asked to stop.
>
> If there1s a personal reason why Brian1s posts bug you so much, filter
> your mail and get on with your life. That1s how I1m going to handle
> your posts in the future.
>
> Anthony
> ABMAC
>
> ----------------------------------------------
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>
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I am in complete agreement with what Anthony said about Brian's
postings.
I too enjoyed the pics that Brian sent us and I hope he continues to
send us pics and info. (within the moderator's guidelines of course).
I think we can do without the profanity and accusations posted by
Armando (Sam). And as for incessant self-promotion, may I remind Sam
of post #304, where he was discussing his band, Black Tape...

- Alexander


<199907201805.oaa0375-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=359

> Sam Rosenthal clogged my inbox with:
>
> > Will you quit hogging this list with your incessant

self-promotion!!!! And

> > stop emailing us your unsolicited files -- not all of us are as

high on

> > your bad self as you are!!!!
> >
> >
> > Listmaster: is there a way we can forbid this guy from hawking his

bullshit

> > on the list???
>
> and
>
> > we're so damn proud of you. get off the list!
>
> and
>
> > Will you cut it out already. Can someone ban this guy from the list

. . .

> >
> > - Armando (remembering why he hates humans)
>
> I, for one, enjoy Brian1s posts. He has access to stuff that most of

us

> can only dream of. Instead of hoarding it, he1s going to make

licensed

> copies so we can all share in his good fortune. What1s the problem

with

> that? Does it bother you that he1s selling repros instead of giving
> them away? That1s a little unrealistic, don1t you think? The only
> behavior that I1ve seen here that would warrant the kind of action
> you1re suggesting is your little tirade. Yes, it was a breach of
> etiquette to post binary files to the mailing list, but that was

minor.

> Besides, he apologized for it and hasn1t done it again since he was
> asked to stop.
>
> If there1s a personal reason why Brian1s posts bug you so much, filter
> your mail and get on with your life. That1s how I1m going to handle
> your posts in the future.
>
> Anthony
> ABMAC
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> "The only GOOD Human is a DEAD Human!" - Ursus
>
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>If there's a personal reason why Brian's posts bug you so much, filter
>your mail and get on with your life. That's how I'm going to handle
>your posts in the future.

This list *used* to be a few people discussing interesting concepts and
ideas about the films we enjoy . . . PLANET OF THE APES. Now it's a bunch
of capitalists, hawking their crap. You guys go start your "i wanna sell
you an apes costume for $10,000" list . . . and leave the discussions about
the movie here.

The only good human is a dead capitalist.

- Armando.


- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

...Wow! I haven't seen this much activity and excitement on the pota
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I'm afraid I have to agree also. I'm on the list for anything and everything
to do with POTA's. There's so little out there on it that even advertising
for POTA's stuff for sale is great! No, I'm not interested in buying what
was sent out... but might be for something else later, who knows? And
the pictures... well, it's true that in today's age of computers, if it takes
you
too long to download it, then you're in serious need of an upgrade (no
offense intended). I'm very opposed to SPAM and I don't appreciate
Ebay too much either... but this is an apes group and the material that
was sent is totally related. Hope to receive much more. Thanks.



steven.temple@... wrote:

> I am in complete agreement of what Anthony said previously about
> Brian's postings. I too enjoyed the pics that Brian brought to us and
> I didn't mind the wait. I hope he continues to bring us info. on such
> items (within the guidelines set by the moderator of course). I think
> we can do without the profanity and accusations posted by Armando
> (Sam). And as for incessant self-promotion, may I remind Sam of post
> #304, where he was discussing his band, Black Tape...
>
> - Alexander
>
> <199907201805.oaa0375-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=359
> > Sam Rosenthal clogged my inbox with:
> >
> > > Will you quit hogging this list with your incessant
> self-promotion!!!! And
> > > stop emailing us your unsolicited files -- not all of us are as
> high on
> > > your bad self as you are!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Listmaster: is there a way we can forbid this guy from hawking his
> bullshit
> > > on the list???
> >
> > and
> >
> > > we're so damn proud of you. get off the list!
> >
> > and
> >
> > > Will you cut it out already. Can someone ban this guy from the list
> . . .
> > >
> > > - Armando (remembering why he hates humans)
> >
> > I, for one, enjoy Brian1s posts. He has access to stuff that most of
> us
> > can only dream of. Instead of hoarding it, he1s going to make
> licensed
> > copies so we can all share in his good fortune. What1s the problem
> with
> > that? Does it bother you that he1s selling repros instead of giving
> > them away? That1s a little unrealistic, don1t you think? The only
> > behavior that I1ve seen here that would warrant the kind of action
> > you1re suggesting is your little tirade. Yes, it was a breach of
> > etiquette to post binary files to the mailing list, but that was
> minor.
> > Besides, he apologized for it and hasn1t done it again since he was
> > asked to stop.
> >
> > If there1s a personal reason why Brian1s posts bug you so much, filter
> > your mail and get on with your life. That1s how I1m going to handle
> > your posts in the future.
> >
> > Anthony
> > ABMAC
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Its funny that only problems and/or trouble cause people to react!! If
someone has a problem or a suggestion with another user it would be best to
ask them politely to change OR to suggest a different way of doing things
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sam rosenthal wrote:

>This list *used* to be a few people discussing interesting concepts and
>ideas about the films we enjoy . . . PLANET OF THE APES.

 The list has been pretty dormant for quite some time.  Not a whole lot of conversation going on here these days. Why aren't you taking the helm and starting conversations about interesting Ape concepts anymore?

>Now it's a bunch
>of capitalists, hawking their crap.

"One" does not a "bunch" make.  And interpretation is everything. Wasn't it Jesse Helms that said, "let artists judge art" after Robert Maplethorpe photographed the Crucifix in urine?  If so, then let craftsman judge "craft", and poop-heads judge crap.

>You guys go start your "i wanna sell
>you an apes costume for $10,000" list...

Ahhhhhhhh... so that's it.  No kibble in the kitty, aye?

>. . . and leave the discussions about the movie here.

(reiterating once more over the sound of the crickets):  WHAT discussions?!!  Hello?  Buehler?  Anyone?

So Sam's a musician?  So much teen angst, or is it constipation?  Either/Or, it still sells records.

>The only good human is a dead capitalist.
 
 

- Sam Rosenthal

"The only good martyr is a dead rocker."

-Cobain

"When delivering your message loudly from the soapbox, be careful not to shout so loud that you deafen your audience."
   -T. Roosevelt
 

It's been fun folks.  I'm done now.  Sorry for the inconvenience once again.

Brian
 
 
 

>If there's a personal reason why Brian's posts bug you so much, filter
>your mail and get on with your life.  That's how I'm going to handle
>your posts in the future.

    - Armando.

 
 
 

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That's better Brian, now let's discuss where on the Planet of the Apes the paper manufacturing plants are located (you know, to make the paper for the scrolls)- or does the paper come from the Forbidden Zone?

Lawgiver forbid you should want to sell those scrolls through the group........

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...Wow!   I haven't seen this much activity and excitement on the pota
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90-CORVETTE wrote:

> And
> the pictures... well, it's true that in today's age of computers, if it takes
> you
> too long to download it, then you're in serious need of an upgrade (no
> offense intended).

I have no problem with who posts what, and if someone can figure out a
way to read email on Earthlink without having to wait for larger
messages to download (the ISP's only real flaw, IMO), please tell me.
It's not the download time - it's the fact that I can't do ANYTHING else
while that graphic dowloads. And "in today's age of computers", there's
no reason to not simply post a URL. "Bandwidth is EVERYBODY's
responsibility" (har).

But, that wasn't the argument, really. I politely asked Brian, and he
politely agreed. So we're cool. Just wanted to be clear that I didn't
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In a message dated 7/20/99 11:59:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
michaelw@... writes:

<< That's better Brian, now let's discuss where on the Planet of the Apes
the paper manufacturing plants are located (you know, to make the paper
for the scrolls)- or does the paper come from the Forbidden Zone?

Lawgiver forbid you should want to sell those scrolls through the
group........

>>

Maybe they make it from birch trees- My Mom used ot do that with me when I
was litttle and we were at our camp.

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If a nuclear weapon destroyed New York (and also other American cities) I
would think that the Statue of Liberty probably would have been blown up or
knocked down by the blast. I doubt the statue could survive a nuclear blast
and years of erosion like it did in the movie. But I suppose the details
don't matter, the statue was very effective in conveying that Taylor was on
Earth.

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Terry's right folks. I did e-mail Mr. Rosenthal a private apology, but then
again I too fell into the trap of having to react publicly to his statements
posted to all members. Don't we all really have better things to do with
ourselves?

Bravo Terry. Thank you for the reminder and lesson in human relations.

B

Terry Hoknes wrote:

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Hey everyone,

I think I'm going to stay out of the recent debates that have been
going on lately, and touch upon an old one. A long time ago, probably
before almost 1/2 of you were on this list, stuff was brought up about the
time period between the second and first movies. More specifically, about
how Dr. Milo was able to fly Taylor's ship and all that stuff. At that
time, I took the stance that it was too hard to believe that Dr. Milo would
never have been able to learn and understand the ship well enough to build a
launch pad, take off, orbit around the earth, etc.... after the most
advanced transportation he's seen is horse and carriage. Well, I'd like to
withdraw those statements I made a long time ago, and now I have a
completely opposite opinion.
By the second movie, the gorrillas were already using cannons.
Therefore, Dr. Milo could've easily improved on the idea and basic concepts
of a cannon, making it bigger and stronger, and in effect, making a
primitave launch pad. Once that's out of the way, it's only a matter of
pressing a few buttons, finding a manual, reviewing some tapes, there's many
ways he could've learned to turn the main power of the space craft on.
Cornelius could've helped, afterall, he saw the idea of flight demonstrated
with Taylor's paper airplane.... :) Well, what I'm just saying is, is that
Paul Dehn's story is not inconcieveable by any means, and that Dr. Milo
could've easily done what the POTA plot says he did.
I'd be happy to hear any comments or thoughts from all you other POTA
people!




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Michael Whitty wrote:

 

That's better Brian, now let's discuss where on the Planet of the Apes the paper manufacturing plants are located (you know, to make the paper for the scrolls)- or does the paper come from the Forbidden Zone?

No silly, the paper came from all the packaging (stuffing in the crates) that the ape hunt cameras are packed in when shipped from the factory.

 

Lawgiver forbid you should want to sell those scrolls through the group........

No, no.  The scrolls are exhibit in the Great Hall of the Zaius Museum in a special UV filtered glass cabinet filled with argon gas to preserve the ink where the words speak the truth that "all apes are created equal", it's just that some grow up to be HUGE CIGAR CHOMPING ACTION STARS!

 

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...Wow!   I haven't seen this much activity and excitement on the pota
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Hey Phil, are you on a MAC? Sometimes Macs are really bad at multi-tasking,
especially when it comes to downloading (or worse:up-loading) internet images.

The latest Mac software is supposed to correct (or at least improve) that
multi-tasking problem though.

Brian

Philip Nobile wrote:

> 90-CORVETTE wrote:
> > And
> > the pictures... well, it's true that in today's age of computers, if it takes
> > you
> > too long to download it, then you're in serious need of an upgrade (no
> > offense intended).
>
> I have no problem with who posts what, and if someone can figure out a
> way to read email on Earthlink without having to wait for larger
> messages to download (the ISP's only real flaw, IMO), please tell me.
> It's not the download time - it's the fact that I can't do ANYTHING else
> while that graphic dowloads. And "in today's age of computers", there's
> no reason to not simply post a URL. "Bandwidth is EVERYBODY's
> responsibility" (har).
>
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> politely agreed. So we're cool. Just wanted to be clear that I didn't
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I still think the idea of Milo flying that thing is pretty implausible. I
think it would be pretty damn hard for Milo to build a cannon big enough to
fire the space ship off the ground.

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Ah, but yee soon forgets that not only was the statue built by man, but
by French men!!! Those Frenchies build things to last. I have some old
French cheeze in my fridge that could survive a nuclear blast!


BlakerG@... wrote:

>
> If a nuclear weapon destroyed New York (and also other American cities) I
> would think that the Statue of Liberty probably would have been blown up or
> knocked down by the blast. I doubt the statue could survive a nuclear blast
> and years of erosion like it did in the movie. But I suppose the details
> don't matter, the statue was very effective in conveying that Taylor was on
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>...Wow! I haven't seen this much activity and excitement on the pota
>webgroup since... well , since the sacred scrolls were written...ages ago!

Now, don't you appreciate me more than you used to?


- Armando (Ps: this is a signature file, not intentional promotion. in
eudora, it is attached to all or none)


- Sam Rosenthal
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>If a nuclear weapon destroyed New York (and also other American cities) I
>would think that the Statue of Liberty probably would have been blown up or
>knocked down by the blast. I doubt the statue could survive a nuclear blast
>and years of erosion like it did in the movie. But I suppose the details
>don't matter, the statue was very effective in conveying that Taylor was on
>Earth.
>
>Chris

Chris, My feeling is that the statue is not STILL standing in it's original
location. But rather, the nuclear bomb blew it apart, and the top half flew
to where it appears at the end of POA (coincidentally landing upright, for
good cinematic effect). According to the direction Taylor was headed and
the map Cornelius showed him, it would most likely be located somewhere in
Queens or Brooklyn, heading out towards Connecticut from Manhattan.

- Armando (now that's more like it!)


- Sam Rosenthal
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Good point. Here's a theory on that whole scenario. Mind you, it's
just an idea and can be argued, but it's fun to think about.
We know Col. Taylor's ship landed in the large body of water with the
aft portion submerged. What if the vehicle was originally fitted with
an engine module that allowed the vehicle to return to orbit? If you've
seen Brent's ship in Beneath, you can see and additional structure at
the back of his ship. Perhaps the engine on Taylor's vessel was still
intact, but underwater (perhaps the weight of it pulled the Icarus
under). When Milo found the ship much later, the engine was capable of
returning the vessel to orbit. As the 3 apes returned to Earth, the
module automatically jettisoned (and that's why we don't see it in the
beginning of Escape). Of course, that still doesn't explain how Milo
was able to fly the thing...
Maybe once in orbit, it reversed it's flight path and returned to
Earth. Any other ideas out there? I'd like to talk about this some
more.

- Alexander

BlakerG@... wrote:

>
> I still think the idea of Milo flying that thing is pretty implausible. I

think it would be pretty damn hard for Milo to build a cannon big enough to
fire the space ship off the ground.

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The idea of using a cannon to launch a spacecraft was pretty popular in
science fiction before the 60¹s. Then somebody figured out that it
wouldn¹t work without liquifying the passengers.

Here¹s my theory:

We¹re told that they used Taylor¹s ship, but I think they also used
parts from Brent¹s ship, including the structure attached to the rear of
the ship, which was probably some type of launch platform. Brent was
sent to rescue Taylor, so I think his ship probably carried spare
components to replace ones more likely to be damaged in a crash.

The boys at ANSA/NASA would want to study the original Flight Data
Recorder, so the rescue ship would naturally have another one to use on
the flight home. I think this also explains the discrepancies in the
dates given. The scientists didn¹t study Taylor¹s FDR, they studied the
new one that had been put in by Milo, with the date possibly
unintentionally set back to 3955.

It¹s not inconceivable that the rescue ship would also carry parts for
changing the actual physical configuration of the ship, leaving out the
section containing the sleep chambers.

Anthony
ABMAC

> I think I'm going to stay out of the recent debates that have been
> going on lately, and touch upon an old one. A long time ago, probably
> before almost 1/2 of you were on this list, stuff was brought up about the
> time period between the second and first movies. More specifically, about
> how Dr. Milo was able to fly Taylor's ship and all that stuff. At that
> time, I took the stance that it was too hard to believe that Dr. Milo would
> never have been able to learn and understand the ship well enough to build a
> launch pad, take off, orbit around the earth, etc.... after the most
> advanced transportation he's seen is horse and carriage. Well, I'd like to
> withdraw those statements I made a long time ago, and now I have a
> completely opposite opinion.
> By the second movie, the gorrillas were already using cannons.
> Therefore, Dr. Milo could've easily improved on the idea and basic concepts
> of a cannon, making it bigger and stronger, and in effect, making a
> primitave launch pad. Once that's out of the way, it's only a matter of
> pressing a few buttons, finding a manual, reviewing some tapes, there's many
> ways he could've learned to turn the main power of the space craft on.
> Cornelius could've helped, afterall, he saw the idea of flight demonstrated
> with Taylor's paper airplane.... :) Well, what I'm just saying is, is that
> Paul Dehn's story is not inconcieveable by any means, and that Dr. Milo
> could've easily done what the POTA plot says he did.
> I'd be happy to hear any comments or thoughts from all you other POTA
> people!
>
>
>
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)

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"Okay. We're here to stay."

- Taylor, Planet of the Apes




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Okay, some fun moments on film with Planet of the Apes:

#1: Our 3 astronauts are skinny-dipping in the Malibu Creek watering hole
when Landon finds the footprint on shore and calls the others over,
"Taylor, look at this!" As Heston walks into the shot where Landon and
Dobbs are standing (observing the footprint OS) the angle of the shot shows
Taylor and Landon looking in the direction of Dobbs' privates, right
before they fall to their knees (to observe the footprint), or so we think!

#2: Beneath the Planet of the Apes: The Gorilla army has invaded the
mutant city. There's a shot where some of the mutants try to escape by
running up the main staircase, but are machine-gunned down by a gorilla.
Their lifeless bodies tumble down to the mouth of the stairs where gorillas
are herding up other mutants. One gorilla attempting to man-handle a
mutant loses his ballance and falls to his knee, not to the floor but into
the side of the shinbone of one of the dead mutants. This Joe Theisman
moment is painful to watch as we see the dead human slowly recoil in
obvious pain, but still trying to "act" dead. Ouch, That one's gotta hurt.

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"Anthony B. McElveen" wrote:

>
>
> Here1s my theory:
>
> We1re told that they used Taylor1s ship, but I think they also used
> parts from Brent1s ship, including the structure attached to the rear of
> the ship, which was probably some type of launch platform. Brent was
> sent to rescue Taylor, so I think his ship probably carried spare
> components to replace ones more likely to be damaged in a crash.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Didn't you guys read the manual? Standard Issue Rescue
Equipment, Chapter 1, Sec. A: (Surf to
<http://www.infomission.com/imjpg/graphic/53115_1.JPG> for the truth about what
all that debri was behind Brent's ship.) I'm sure you'll agree that this
equipment was much more useful on the planet than and sort of cumbersome launch
platform.

B

>
>
> The boys at ANSA/NASA would want to study the original Flight Data
> Recorder, so the rescue ship would naturally have another one to use on
> the flight home. I think this also explains the discrepancies in the
> dates given. The scientists didn1t study Taylor1s FDR, they studied the
> new one that had been put in by Milo, with the date possibly
> unintentionally set back to 3955.
>
> It1s not inconceivable that the rescue ship would also carry parts for
> changing the actual physical configuration of the ship, leaving out the
> section containing the sleep chambers.
>
> Anthony
> ABMAC
>
> > I think I'm going to stay out of the recent debates that have been
> > going on lately, and touch upon an old one. A long time ago, probably
> > before almost 1/2 of you were on this list, stuff was brought up about the
> > time period between the second and first movies. More specifically, about
> > how Dr. Milo was able to fly Taylor's ship and all that stuff. At that
> > time, I took the stance that it was too hard to believe that Dr. Milo would
> > never have been able to learn and understand the ship well enough to build a
> > launch pad, take off, orbit around the earth, etc.... after the most
> > advanced transportation he's seen is horse and carriage. Well, I'd like to
> > withdraw those statements I made a long time ago, and now I have a
> > completely opposite opinion.
> > By the second movie, the gorrillas were already using cannons.
> > Therefore, Dr. Milo could've easily improved on the idea and basic concepts
> > of a cannon, making it bigger and stronger, and in effect, making a
> > primitave launch pad. Once that's out of the way, it's only a matter of
> > pressing a few buttons, finding a manual, reviewing some tapes, there's many
> > ways he could've learned to turn the main power of the space craft on.
> > Cornelius could've helped, afterall, he saw the idea of flight demonstrated
> > with Taylor's paper airplane.... :) Well, what I'm just saying is, is that
> > Paul Dehn's story is not inconcieveable by any means, and that Dr. Milo
> > could've easily done what the POTA plot says he did.
> > I'd be happy to hear any comments or thoughts from all you other POTA
> > people!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
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I guess that it is believable that the top half of the statue got blown off
and landed somewhere else.

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The idea that there was an autopilot that sent the ship back into orbit is
fairly believable I suppose. Or maybe it could be that there were some
manuals in the shuttle in case the pilot was dead and one of the other crew
members had to fly the thing.This is kind of hard to believe because everyone
in this group knows about the space shuttle but I doubt any of us could
figure out to fly one from some manuals. I think the autopilot is a more
likely story, than Milo learning how to fly the thing. Either way Milo must
have been some Michealango-like genius to be able to figure out a space
shuttle and return it to orbit.
Also when the ship sunk and the water was pouring in, I would think that it
would destory or damage the computers and other delicate instruements inside
the shuttle. Any thoughts?

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BlakerG@... wrote:

> I guess that it is believable that the top half of the statue got blown off
> and landed somewhere else.
>
> Chris

Wrong again. The Nukes landed in Washington DC and other strategic US sites;
ours in Moscow, Cuba, and Communist Asia , so much so that the Earth tilted
of it's axis with catastrophic results. Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tidal waves,
you name it. The Statue was hit by a giant Tsunami which washed it into the
newly earthquake formed mountain side, busting its torch light in the process.

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Thats stupid, the Reds should've nuked New York also, its the center of the
US economy and you would cause serious population damage by nuking it.From
what I've read, the Russians would nuke many American cities in addition to
missile and military sites. But I guess if you heard about the Tsunami thing
its probably right.

Chris

>BlakerG@... wrote:
>
>> I guess that it is believable that the top half of the statue got blown off
>> and landed somewhere else.
>>
>> Chris
>
>Wrong again. The Nukes landed in Washington DC and other strategic US sites;

New York City is obviously a strategic city. The bombs were (are) still
aimed there.

>Thats stupid, the Reds should've nuked New York also, its the center of the
>US economy and you would cause serious population damage by nuking it.From
>what I've read, the Russians would nuke many American cities in addition to
>missile and military sites. But I guess if you heard about the Tsunami thing
>its probably right

Correct. They would nuke all the major cities, if it was an out-n-out war.
What do you think the reason was, for this war? anything out of the
ordinary reasons?


- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

I believe the apes around the world revolted with a domino-like effect
after Caesar's initial attack.
The resulting chaos and lack of security could have allowed the apes to
enter sensitive areas
where the nukes were controlled. It would only take one missile launch
to panic the other nations
into launching a counter-strike at pre-designated targets. Like in the
HBO movie: By Dawn's Early Light.

After all, look at what the gorillas were doing to the AO missile in
Beneath.

sam rosenthal wrote:

>
> >BlakerG@... wrote:
>
>> I guess that it is believable that the top half of the statue got blown off
>> and landed somewhere else.
>>
>> Chris
>
>Wrong again. The Nukes landed in Washington DC and other strategic US sites;

New York City is obviously a strategic city. The bombs were (are) still
aimed there.

>Thats stupid, the Reds should've nuked New York also, its the center of the
>US economy and you would cause serious population damage by nuking it.From
>what I've read, the Russians would nuke many American cities in addition to
>missile and military sites. But I guess if you heard about the Tsunami thing
>its probably right

Correct. They would nuke all the major cities, if it was an out-n-out war.
What do you think the reason was, for this war? anything out of the
ordinary reasons?

- Sam Rosenthal
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sam rosenthal wrote:

> >
> What do you think the reason was, for this war? anything out of the
> ordinary reasons?
>
> - Sam Rosenthal

I think someone at one of the UN drinking parties made a comment about Siberian
women having more hair on their faces than Castro, personally.

I imagine the war could have happened for any number of reasons, but you
have to look
at what kind of world it was in Conquest. Even America had become a
Fascist , paranoid
country, so I figure that the rest of the world was that bad or worse.
Any petty squabble
could have lead to world wide disaster. Sometimes I wish the T.V.
series had lasted
longer...maybe we could have seen them travel around the U.S. some
more. There's a lot
of possibilities out there for stories.

- Alexander

Brian Dumont wrote:

>
>

sam rosenthal wrote:

> >
> What do you think the reason was, for this war? anything out of the
> ordinary reasons?
>
> - Sam Rosenthal

I think someone at one of the UN drinking parties made a comment about Siberian
women having more hair on their faces than Castro, personally.

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I think the reason for the war was that the Russians wanted to kick us while
we were down, and they saw the Ape Revolution as a golden oppurtunity to do
that. I think its pretty safe to assume also that it is was the Russians,
they're the only ones that could mount an assualt of that magnitude. The
Chinese only have a like dozen nukes.

Chris

(Spoken in my best Chinese accent)

Don't underestimate China, you American Dog. Thanks to your American
President, China
has all the technology we need to blow you and your capitalist monkeys
back to the stone age!

Just joking, Chris. Actually, the Chinese shouldn't be counted out of
the equation. They have
PLENTY of nukes to pick a fight. And let's not forget that England,
France, Israel, Pakistan and
India already have nukes. And other "maniacs" are out there developing
the things right now.

BlakerG@... wrote:

>
> I think the reason for the war was that the Russians wanted to kick us while

we were down, and they saw the Ape Revolution as a golden oppurtunity to do
that. I think its pretty safe to assume also that it is was the Russians,
they're the only ones that could mount an assualt of that magnitude. The
Chinese only have a like dozen nukes.

Chris

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I suppose its possible it was China they had around 110 or so as of 1984,
but I still think the Russians are the culprit here. England has enough
nukes to do that to us but I don't think England would nuke us, we're very
strong allies. Pakistan and India have like 4 nukes between them. Israel is
an ally of ours and South Africa doesn't have enough.

Chris

Before you guys all start the next cold war, may I remind you that it is only a
movie.
A great movie. Enjoy it for what it is before you give yourselves an aneurysm
trying to fill the plot holes. Don't get me started.
Best to all.
KEN

BlakerG@... wrote:

> I suppose its possible it was China they had around 110 or so as of 1984,
> but I still think the Russians are the culprit here. England has enough
> nukes to do that to us but I don't think England would nuke us, we're very
> strong allies. Pakistan and India have like 4 nukes between them. Israel is
> an ally of ours and South Africa doesn't have enough.
>
> Chris
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.html Awe Ken,

Don't burst our bubbles, you're missing the point.  It's because of the fact that it was only a movie, with no intention for any sequels at the start,  that the rag-tag team of fans here is desperately trying to find some sort of subcutaneous story element or un-written plot to fill in all the holes in the flimsy ape-saga timeline and give our lives meaning once again. (At least that's how one member put it to me this week).

And besides, we just can't let the Trekkies and the WWF have all the fun, now can we?

Live long and perspire,
Brian

P.S. I still think it was another siberian comet that put the Statue of Liberty on the Malibu Coastline.

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Before you guys all start the next cold war, may I remind you that it is only a
movie.
A great movie. Enjoy it for what it is before you give yourselves an aneurysm
trying to fill the plot holes. Don't get me started.
Best to all.
KEN

BlakerG@... wrote:

> I suppose its possible it was China they  had around 110 or so as of 1984,
> but I still think the Russians are the culprit here. England has enough
> nukes to do that to us but I don't think England would nuke us, we're very
> strong allies. Pakistan and India have like 4 nukes between them. Israel is
> an ally of ours and South Africa doesn't have enough.
>
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>Before you guys all start the next cold war, may I remind you that it is only a
>movie.
>A great movie. Enjoy it for what it is before you give yourselves an aneurysm
>trying to fill the plot holes. Don't get me started.
>Best to all.
>KEN

Ken. This list is for those of us who enjoy the music and LIKE discussing
the possible explanations for what happened / could have happened. That's
the 'fun' of being on here . . .


- Sam Rosenthal
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From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>

>Awe Ken,
>
>Don't burst our bubbles, you're missing the point. It's because of the
>fact that
>it was only a movie, with no intention for any sequels at the start, that the
>rag-tag team of fans here is desperately trying to find some sort of
>subcutaneous
>story element or un-written plot to fill in all the holes in the flimsy
>ape-saga
>timeline and give our lives meaning once again. (At least that's how one member
>put it to me this week).

Brian. Some of us *enjoy* discussing the movie and coming up with
imaginative ways to connect the dots. Not all of us are jaded old turds,
who only want to sell ape suits to the fans out there. Let us enjoy POA in
peace, and go spend your life elsewhere, ok?


- Sam Rosenthal
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I agree with Sam and Brian on this one. We're just discussing the
possibilities and events
that led up to the first movie and carried over into the sequels. Just
like Brent and Taylor, we
want to know what happened. Did we finally, really do it? And why?

I'm sure all of us have seen the movies dozens of times. Every time I
watch a POTA movie
I discover something new. Most of it gets brought to my attention by
the guys on this list.
Besides, if I get an aneurysm, I'm sure Dr. Zaius can arrange some brain
surgery for me.
Hey, just look at what it did for Landon!

Does anyone have any theories on what the ecosystem might have been like
outside of
ape city and the forbidden zone?

- Alexander

sam rosenthal wrote:

>
> >Before you guys all start the next cold war, may I remind you that it is only a
>movie.
>A great movie. Enjoy it for what it is before you give yourselves an aneurysm
>trying to fill the plot holes. Don't get me started.
>Best to all.
>KEN

Ken. This list is for those of us who enjoy the music and LIKE discussing
the possible explanations for what happened / could have happened. That's
the 'fun' of being on here . . .

- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

<<Brian. Some of us *enjoy* discussing the movie and coming up with
imaginative ways to connect the dots. Not all of us are jaded old turds,who
only want to sell ape suits to the fans out there. Let us enjoy POA in
peace, and go spend your life elsewhere, ok?>>

Does anyone know who runs this list? I'd like to talk to them.


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MFLulder@... (goes by the name of Caesar). Nice guy.

Steve


Philip *** wrote:

>
> <<Brian. Some of us *enjoy* discussing the movie and coming up with

imaginative ways to connect the dots. Not all of us are jaded old turds,who
only want to sell ape suits to the fans out there. Let us enjoy POA in
peace, and go spend your life elsewhere, ok?>>

Does anyone know who runs this list? I'd like to talk to them.

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