It is great to see some activity in the group.

As far as who nuked who, once a few birds are launched/detonated, it is
gonna be "auto-launch activated" by every one and his dog! The apes were
lucky there was anything left of earth for them.

Secondly, I'd like to say, WE ALL LOVE POTA, but, sometimes we dig
different aspects of it. We're not clones! If you don't like a certain
topic people are discussing, just hang back and wait for one you do want
to discuss, or even start a topic yourself. But PLEASE, don't DISRESPECT
other members for getting into some APE trivia, or collectibles, or what
ever. We're having fun... If APE fans can't indulge in "silly, trivial,
nonsense" about POTA without being criticized HERE, where can we
indulge???

So, am I the only guy out there who makes his wife/girlfriend dress up
like Nova??? (Yes, that was a joke.)


Reece

Not sure I know what to say to this one...

Seems like there's no getting through to or past Sam.

What to do folks?

Should I stay or should I go?

B




sam rosenthal wrote:

> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
>
> >Awe Ken,
> >
> >Don't burst our bubbles, you're missing the point. It's because of the
> >fact that
> >it was only a movie, with no intention for any sequels at the start, that the
> >rag-tag team of fans here is desperately trying to find some sort of
> >subcutaneous
> >story element or un-written plot to fill in all the holes in the flimsy
> >ape-saga
> >timeline and give our lives meaning once again. (At least that's how one member
> >put it to me this week).
>
> Brian. Some of us *enjoy* discussing the movie and coming up with
> imaginative ways to connect the dots. Not all of us are jaded old turds,
> who only want to sell ape suits to the fans out there. Let us enjoy POA in
> peace, and go spend your life elsewhere, ok?
>
> - Sam Rosenthal
> _____________

<<Not sure I know what to say to this one...
Seems like there's no getting through to or past Sam.What to do folks?
Should I stay or should I go?>>

I vote that we cut the frigging drama. And learn some manners.

I belong to other mailing lists where we offer things for sale or trade - we
do it one day per week. I would have no problem with some kind of rule about
that here. As POTA fans, some of us might have something to offer one
another besides insults. What do you all think?

I know one thing - if the childish shit keeps up, I'm bailing soon. I know
you have to let the baby cry before it'll take its nap, but come on already.



___

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Reece Hendley wrote:

It is great to see some activity in the group.

As far as who nuked who, once a few birds are launched/detonated, it is
gonna be "auto-launch activated" by every one and his dog! The apes were
lucky there was anything left of earth for them.

Secondly, I'd like to say, WE ALL LOVE POTA, but, sometimes we dig
different aspects of it.  We're not clones! If you don't like a certain
topic people are discussing, just hang back and wait for one you do want
to discuss, or even start a topic yourself. But PLEASE, don't DISRESPECT
other members for getting into some APE trivia, or collectibles, or what
ever. We're having fun... If APE fans can't indulge in "silly, trivial,
nonsense" about POTA without being criticized HERE, where can we
indulge???

So, am I the only guy out there who makes his wife/girlfriend dress up
like Nova??? (Yes, that was a joke.)

and BRA-VO!

 

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Philip *** wrote:

<<Not sure I know what to say to this one...
Seems like there's no getting through to or past Sam.What to do folks?
Should I stay or should I go?>>

I vote that we cut the frigging drama.  And learn some manners.

I belong to other mailing lists where we offer things for sale or trade - we
do it one day per week. I would have no problem with some kind of rule about
that here. As POTA fans, some of us might have something to offer one
another besides insults.  What do you all think?

I know one thing - if the childish shit keeps up, I'm bailing soon. I know
you have to let the baby cry before it'll take its nap, but come on already.

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In a message dated 7/23/99 12:58:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:

<<
Does anyone know who runs this list? I'd like to talk to them.

>>

Right here.

I'm fine with trading and selling stuff as long as it doesn't happen so often
that it disrupts the disscussion. Maybe instead of talking about that sort of
stuff on the list somebody could make a webpage that has items for sale or
trade. Kind of like an online trading post.

Chris

I figure the ecosystem outside the forbidden zone and Ape City is fairly
screwed up. Because the fallout from the nukes would have mutate and possibly
kill of plant and animal life. Also there is the potential that chemical
weapons were used in the war and thought would really screw up things.
I'm kind of curious as to what happened to the other continents. Are there
any human governments out there still functioning? Did the other countries
get as screwed up as the US did? Any thoughts.

Chris

In a message dated 7/23/99 5:28:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BlakerG writes:

<< I'm fine with trading and selling stuff as long as it doesn't happen so
often that it disrupts the disscussion. Maybe instead of talking about that
sort of stuff on the list somebody could make a webpage that has items for
sale or trade. Kind of like an online trading post.

Chris >>
That's a great idea. Any volunteers?

I for one, don't want to see Philip leave. He's a good source of
information on POTA and
has been on the list for a long time. I agree that we should cut the
insults and talk POTA.
Let's talk about the new movie or something and get off this subject.

I think we should let the moderator pick the sale/trade day as mentioned
earlier.

- Alexander

Brian Dumont wrote:

> Agreed.
>
> Philip *** wrote:
>
>> <<Not sure I know what to say to this one...
>> Seems like there's no getting through to or past Sam.What to do
>> folks?
>> Should I stay or should I go?>>
>>
>> I vote that we cut the frigging drama. And learn some manners.
>>
>> I belong to other mailing lists where we offer things for sale or
>> trade - we
>> do it one day per week. I would have no problem with some kind of
>> rule about
>> that here. As POTA fans, some of us might have something to offer
>> one
>> another besides insults. What do you all think?
>>
>> I know one thing - if the childish shit keeps up, I'm bailing soon.
>> I know
>> you have to let the baby cry before it'll take its nap, but come on
>> already.
>>
>> ___

I for one have had enough of this crap. If someone has some POTA stuff to
sell, I want to know about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Let's Talk POTA

>I for one, don't want to see Philip leave. He's a good source of
>information on POTA and
>has been on the list for a long time. I agree that we should cut the
>insults and talk POTA.
>Let's talk about the new movie or something and get off this subject.
>
>I think we should let the moderator pick the sale/trade day as mentioned
>earlier.
>
>- Alexander
>
>Brian Dumont wrote:
>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> Philip *** wrote:
>>
>>> <<Not sure I know what to say to this one...
>>> Seems like there's no getting through to or past Sam.What to do
>>> folks?
>>> Should I stay or should I go?>>
>>>
>>> I vote that we cut the frigging drama. And learn some manners.
>>>
>>> I belong to other mailing lists where we offer things for sale or
>>> trade - we
>>> do it one day per week. I would have no problem with some kind of
>>> rule about
>>> that here. As POTA fans, some of us might have something to offer
>>> one
>>> another besides insults. What do you all think?
>>>
>>> I know one thing - if the childish shit keeps up, I'm bailing soon.
>>> I know
>>> you have to let the baby cry before it'll take its nap, but come on
>>> already.
>>>
>>> ___

I know of two places on-line already:

1) TERRY HOKNES - Comic Books, Planet Of The Apes, Collectibles and Music
<http://www.dlcwest.com/~comicsape/>
and
2) APEMANIA.COM

Terry has a virtual toy store/museum on his site and it's very informative.

The Apemania site will have a collectible film artifacts and reproduction page
posted in August.

So there you go.

MFLulder@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/23/99 5:28:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BlakerG writes:
>
> << I'm fine with trading and selling stuff as long as it doesn't happen so
> often that it disrupts the disscussion. Maybe instead of talking about that
> sort of stuff on the list somebody could make a webpage that has items for
> sale or trade. Kind of like an online trading post.
>
> Chris >>
> That's a great idea. Any volunteers?
>
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It's a good assumption that there more than likely were other pockets of nuclear
mutants humans. I feel that there may or may not have been that many 3rd world
survivors but rather that the survivors would all be decendents from well-off
countries that were economically advanced enough to prepair for survival of the
big WW3:War to End All Wars.

Eventually the genration that witnessed and survived the big war would still
have to become exposed to the nuclear and/or chemical weapons fallout, in turn
passing on their messed up genes to succeeding generations, who would then also
be born into the world still contaminated with fallout screwing up their genes
even more.

Of course, we all know that horses are immune to fallout, so they would still
exist and evolve to be tamed, saddled and used to pull ape carts and hunt mute
humans.

Brian


BlakerG@... wrote:

> ...
> I'm kind of curious as to what happened to the other continents. Are there
> any human governments out there still functioning? Did the other countries
> get as screwed up as the US did? Any thoughts.
>
> Chris
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Agreed!.

Lewis Pierson wrote:

> I for one have had enough of this crap. If someone has some POTA stuff to
> sell, I want to know about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
> To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:14 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Let's Talk POTA
>
> >I for one, don't want to see Philip leave. He's a good source of
> >information on POTA and
> >has been on the list for a long time. I agree that we should cut the
> >insults and talk POTA.
> >Let's talk about the new movie or something and get off this subject.
> >
> >I think we should let the moderator pick the sale/trade day as mentioned
> >earlier.
> >
> >- Alexander
> >
> >Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> Philip *** wrote:
> >>
> >>> <<Not sure I know what to say to this one...
> >>> Seems like there's no getting through to or past Sam.What to do
> >>> folks?
> >>> Should I stay or should I go?>>
> >>>
> >>> I vote that we cut the frigging drama. And learn some manners.
> >>>
> >>> I belong to other mailing lists where we offer things for sale or
> >>> trade - we
> >>> do it one day per week. I would have no problem with some kind of
> >>> rule about
> >>> that here. As POTA fans, some of us might have something to offer
> >>> one
> >>> another besides insults. What do you all think?
> >>>
> >>> I know one thing - if the childish shit keeps up, I'm bailing soon.
> >>> I know
> >>> you have to let the baby cry before it'll take its nap, but come on
> >>> already.
> >>>
> >>> ___

1. Heston said in an interview that he wouldn't play Zaius, as rumored,
because he wouldn't want to "wear a monkey suit". Is it clear to anyone but
me that if a remake happens, they'll most likely use name actors' VOICES,
but the folks sweating in the suits would be nobodies? Maybe even real apes
with photorealistic animation of their mouths . . .


2. In Escape, Cornelius says an ape named Aldo was the leader of the
revolution. Two possible explanations:

A- Aldo WAS the leader of the ape revolt in their timeline, until they went
back in time and screwed everything up by giving birth to Caesar;

B- Some sort of overthrow happens between the time that Huston is preaching
to the kiddies (2670 AD), and Cornelius' time (3955), where gorillas come
into power, and Cornelius is unknowingly reciting some sort of revisionist
history.

Trivia-- you know the "Lawgiver talking to the ape and human children"
wraparound bit from BATTLE? It was from the original draft of BENEATH.
Taylor and Brent don't get killed, don't set off the bomb, and instead
resolve to rebuild the human race. Fade out to wraparound segment, with the
lawgiver ape talking to the human and ape kids, preaching harmony and
peace. Cut to the ruins of New York, where a group of mutant APES crawl
from Beneath the rubble. One of them sees a dove flying through the air,
whips out a rifle and shoots it dead. The end.


___

Good topics, Phil!

1. I don't know if they'd use proxy actors to take the place of the real
actors. It seems like most actors/actresses don't mind doing the
makeup, even though it's VERY time consuming. A good example would be
when Eddie Murphy did the Nutty Professor. Sure, he was in that makeup
chair for hours, but he knew he had to be in the film. I don't think it
would have been as good if Eddie didn't appear on-screen. Regarding
POTA, it would be less effective to have the nobodies gesturing and
moving around and to later dubb the actors' voices in. But, I guess
they do that in CGI movies and cartoons all the time. Hmmm...I guess
you could make a case for both sides on that one...

2. I've often wondered about that Aldo reference. I just figured that
it was a lack of consistency on the writer's part. Aldo was in the
novelization of Conquest. Like you said, perhaps it was Aldo who
initiated the revolt (the first time around). It could also explain the
rivalry between the two apes in Battle (a pivotal point deciding the
fate of the future). The paradoxes here could be interesting. If
Caesar created a better future, would Cornelius and Zira return to the
past again at all? Okay, now I'm cross-eyed.

I think I like the original draft of Beneath better. Charleton Heston
really screwed up Beneath.
Let's hope they don't goof up the new movie...

- Alexander

Philip *** wrote:

>
> 1. Heston said in an interview that he wouldn't play Zaius, as rumored,

because he wouldn't want to "wear a monkey suit". Is it clear to anyone but
me that if a remake happens, they'll most likely use name actors' VOICES,
but the folks sweating in the suits would be nobodies? Maybe even real apes
with photorealistic animation of their mouths . . .

2. In Escape, Cornelius says an ape named Aldo was the leader of the
revolution. Two possible explanations:

A- Aldo WAS the leader of the ape revolt in their timeline, until they went
back in time and screwed everything up by giving birth to Caesar;

B- Some sort of overthrow happens between the time that Huston is preaching
to the kiddies (2670 AD), and Cornelius' time (3955), where gorillas come
into power, and Cornelius is unknowingly reciting some sort of revisionist
history.

Trivia-- you know the "Lawgiver talking to the ape and human children"
wraparound bit from BATTLE? It was from the original draft of BENEATH.
Taylor and Brent don't get killed, don't set off the bomb, and instead
resolve to rebuild the human race. Fade out to wraparound segment, with the
lawgiver ape talking to the human and ape kids, preaching harmony and
peace. Cut to the ruins of New York, where a group of mutant APES crawl
from Beneath the rubble. One of them sees a dove flying through the air,
whips out a rifle and shoots it dead. The end.

___

In a message dated 7/26/99 5:47:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
steven.temple@... writes:

<<
2. I've often wondered about that Aldo reference. I just figured that
it was a lack of consistency on the writer's part. Aldo was in the
novelization of Conquest. Like you said, perhaps it was Aldo who
initiated the revolt (the first time around). It could also explain the
rivalry between the two apes in Battle (a pivotal point deciding the
fate of the future). The paradoxes here could be interesting. If
Caesar created a better future, would Cornelius and Zira return to the
past again at all? Okay, now I'm cross-eyed.

>>

Here's my theory of the Aldo thing.

Aldo had quite a following with the Gorillas. You see this in Battle.
However, the Planet of the Apes comic book proves that thought the following
may not be public, it was very much still there. Ollo, who is the general in
the comic series remarks at one point that Aldo is "The mightiest ape of all"
I think that since the Gorillas controlled the military, they were able to
push the other apes around a bit, and though tampering, may have erased
Caesar entirely from history. Glorifying Aldo, who was their hero. I think
that the Orangutans, some time after the end of the Human-Apes teaching end
of Battle were lured into a sort of alliance with the Gorillas, setting the
stage for the TV series, and first two movies. The orangutans then changed
the lawgiver into an orangutan, and not Caesar, a chimp. This explains why
the chimps are generally crapped on in the series and first two movies. I
think that the society in POTA is a very prejudice one. Which is why a person
like Taylor is so harshly ridiculed, because society in POTA has so many
rules to keep it exactly the same, that a talking human totally throws things
off, and therefore he must be eliminated...

Any questions on this? Or would anyone like to hear my ideas on what each
type of ape is limited to doing in their society?

I like the topics Phil...,

Here's my opinion on them:

1. Heston said in an interview that he wouldn't play Zaius, as rumored,
because he wouldn't want to "wear a monkey suit". Is it clear to anyone but
me that if a remake happens, they'll most likely use name actors' VOICES,
but the folks sweating in the suits would be nobodies? Maybe even real apes
with photorealistic animation of their mouths . . .

I think the voice is really the most important thing. It even talked a
little about that in "Behind The Planet of The Apes." The inflection and
pitch of actors like Maurice Evans adds a lot to the picture. Therefore, I
think a photorealistic animation, or something like that, would be great,
with good actors doing the voices, actors that the audience will recognize.
I mean, as good as the old ape make-up, I think the next step that would be
necessary for Fox to take would be some type of computer animation, because
I don't think the ape makeup could be improved upon in a way that wouldn't
be laughed at.


2. In Escape, Cornelius says an ape named Aldo was the leader of the
revolution. Two possible explanations:

A- Aldo WAS the leader of the ape revolt in their timeline, until they went
back in time and screwed everything up by giving birth to Caesar;

B- Some sort of overthrow happens between the time that Huston is preaching
to the kiddies (2670 AD), and Cornelius' time (3955), where gorillas come
into power, and Cornelius is unknowingly reciting some sort of revisionist
history.

I think you got to go with that theory of Infinite Regression which they
talk about during the movie series, especially in the third and the fifth.
On the one "path/lane/timeline" that the series begins with, Aldo very
easily could have been the leader in the revolution. But, by all the time
traveling that goes on, and Cornelius and Zira going back, they would switch
lanes, creating a new "path/lane/timeline," where Ceaser instead leads the
revolution, which at the same time alters the future. After all, both Dr.
Milo and Virgil said there is a an infinite number of lanes....


Trivia-- you know the "Lawgiver talking to the ape and human children"
wraparound bit from BATTLE? It was from the original draft of BENEATH.
Taylor and Brent don't get killed, don't set off the bomb, and instead
resolve to rebuild the human race. Fade out to wraparound segment, with the
lawgiver ape talking to the human and ape kids, preaching harmony and
peace. Cut to the ruins of New York, where a group of mutant APES crawl
from Beneath the rubble. One of them sees a dove flying through the air,
whips out a rifle and shoots it dead. The end.

I remember hearing something along those lines once. It's very intresting
to think about..... well that's all!





Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....


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If a friend of mine wants to join this web disscussion group who does he
email?
Thanks
Chris

Pota-Subscribe@... should do it

-Caesar

Thanks

Chris

Hi everyone.
I am Alexander (web master) of APE MEDIA SITE at:
www.geocities.com/Area51/Aurora/4310

Thanks to Chris I was able to find this e-mail group.
This very same Ape site was once on prophecysite.com but I
have now moved it to geocities.
So for those of you who remember prophecysite.com know that the
APE MEDIA SITE is back on the net.
The site is not yet complete but soon will be.

Getting geared up for the new Ape film in 2001.

>I figure the ecosystem outside the forbidden zone and Ape City is fairly
>screwed up. Because the fallout from the nukes would have mutate and possibly
>kill of plant and animal life. Also there is the potential that chemical
>weapons were used in the war and thought would really screw up things.
>I'm kind of curious as to what happened to the other continents. Are there
>any human governments out there still functioning? Did the other countries
>get as screwed up as the US did? Any thoughts.

Aside from the holy fallout, I would think a lot of South America and
central Africa would still be doing ok.

- Armando


- Sam Rosenthal
_____________

A new POTA Message board is now on the net.
www.homepages.msn.com/TimesSquare/dr_milo/index.htmlbr>
Be sure to drop by.
Dr. Milo

Sorry about that, the URL: is
http://homepages.msn.com/TimesSquare/dr_milo/

If that doesn't work just go to my site at:
www.geocities.com/Area51/Aurora/4310
So I won't have to correct this message again.

There you will see the link, the message board has a cool
intro wav file and the graphics on the message board are outstanding.

For the fans by the fans.
Alexander

Yeah that probably true. Central Africa and South America would only get
minimal amounts of fallout and probably be effected that much.

Chris

Terry is away until the 5th. He'll let you know then. Thanks.
TERRY HOKNES
739 TAYLOR STREET EAST
SASKATOON, SK
CANADA
S7H 1W1

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Any word on Planet of the Apes on DVD?
I remember when they were on the old laserdisc but it didn't last for
very
long. Not many of them were sold.
Although I don't really see the point in remaking POTA because the first
one was so good, plus the storyline is pretty much complete, the good
thing is that this new film will no doubt respark a great interest in
the ape films once again.

From star wars hype, to POTA hype.
I can't wait to see that happen once again as it did in the early '70's.
APEMAINA returns with new state of the ark computer graphics.

Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
(made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy McDowall
in elderly "Galen" make-up .
Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
I've only ever seen the regular versions.
Best,
KEN

Hi, Ape Friends!

I am interested in this versions! Please, if you have this Ape item, contact
me!

Adami
tinarosa@...


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De: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>
Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Data: Quinta-feira, 29 de Julho de 1999 06:52
Assunto: [pota] POTA tv movies

>Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
>(made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy

McDowall

>in elderly "Galen" make-up .
>Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
>I've only ever seen the regular versions.
>Best,
>KEN
>
>
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I never saw Roddy's intro;s, but I have seen the movies. THey all had corney
titles like ' Life, Liberty, and the Planet of the Apes'

-Caesar

Back to the Planet of the Apes
Treachery and Greed on the Planet of the Apes
Life, Liberty, and Pursuit on the Planet of the Apes
Farewell to the Planet of the Apes
Fear and Loathing on the Planet of the Apes
Shaolin Brothers verus the Planet of the Apes
Galen Scared Stupid
It's the Planet of the Apes, Charlie Brown


I may be forgetting one. None of them had any special intros, though.

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Greetings down-under!

Verification, YES! I remember these episodes ran on KTLA (channel 5) here in Los
Angeles on a late nite showing all week long in the early '80's. Roddy was done up
(poorly) as a graying Galen (the hair looked like crepe wool). The setting was an
attic with all sorts of typical attic stuff, and I seem to remember Roddy playing
with a Mego astronaut doll (you know the one that looks like a janitor with a test
pilot helmet?). Hoakey, but still cool.

I think the guy on Ebay that sells the TV shows and Cartoon tapes has the Roddy
footage. I'll see if I can dig up his info a get it to you.

Brian

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

> Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
> (made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy McDowall
> in elderly "Galen" make-up .
> Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
> I've only ever seen the regular versions.
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Philip *** wrote:

Back to the Planet of the Apes
Treachery and Greed on the Planet of the Apes
Life, Liberty, and Pursuit on the Planet of the Apes
Farewell to the Planet of the Apes
Fear and Loathing on the Planet of the Apes
Shaolin Brothers verus the Planet of the Apes
Galen Scared Stupid
It's the Planet of the Apes, Charlie Brown

I may be forgetting one.  None of them had any special intros, though.

Beyond the Valley of the Ultra-Simians

 

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B

Luiz Adami wrote:

Hi, Ape Friends!

I am interested in this versions! Please, if you have this Ape item, contact
me!

Adami
tinarosa@...

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Assunto: [pota] POTA tv movies

>Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
>(made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy
McDowall
>in elderly "Galen" make-up .
>Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
>I've only ever seen the regular versions.
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>KEN
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.html Try Jeff at <Zaius53761@...>.  He's the guy I was talking about.

Also try:

Rebbecca Herrera
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp
Clip & Still Licensing Dept.
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, Ca 90213

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Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
(made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy McDowall
in elderly "Galen" make-up .
Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
I've only ever seen the regular versions.
Best,
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B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
(made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy McDowall
in elderly "Galen" make-up .
Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
I've only ever seen the regular versions.
Best,
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You also forgot the
Sex, Lies, and Planet of the Apes

Chris

.html Hi Brian,
Thanks for the info. Keep me posted should you uncover anything.
Anyone else have or know of any rarieties ( in addition to the compile tape being offered around that includes the original test shoot w/ Edward G. Robinson.)? The AMC Roddy bio ( made by Kevin Burns) featured some footage of Roddy in make-up on the Carol Burnette Show. Any one know of any others?
Best,
KEN

Brian Dumont wrote:

 I also can think of one other source, a mutual friend of Roddy and myself.  He may have a copy of those episodes with the gray Galen.  I'll let you know.

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Someone once told me that there where versions of the 5 re-edited TV movies
(made from 10 of the TV episodes) that featured special intros by Roddy McDowall
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Can anyone verify this or is it just an Ape City legend?
I've only ever seen the regular versions.
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Not forgetting:
"How to succeed on the Planet of the Apes without really trying."


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Does anyone have a video recording of the Simpsons
Spoof on Planet of the Apes?

I believe the episode is called:
A fish called Selma.

Thanx
Alex

weren't they're two or three spoofs of POTA on the Simpsons? I'll look it up
this book I have and get back to you guys on it.

Chris

There was one where Burns lost his bear Bobo and at the end there was a cart
of Homers pulling along their ape masters.

Also an Itchy and Scratchy Episode "Planet of the Aches".

There was also reference to "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" as "Today's
Sermon" outside Reverened Lovejoy's church after the Reverened saved Ned
Flanders from a pit of baboons.

There was also the episode where there was a "Cornfield Roundup" of the
children at the beginning with unmistakibly "Planet of the Apes" background
misic.

I think there are more too.

Michael Whitty (from Australia)

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Homer becomes an astronaut and says during the press conference, "The only
danger is if they send is to that terrible planet of the apes! . . . Wait a
minute . . . Statue of Liberty . . . (gasp) that was OUR planet! You
maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!!!"


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Yeah, the episode that really spoofed it was the one mentioned earlier
about Selma.
Troy McClure starred in "Stop this Planet of the Apes...I want to get
off!"
It had a musical ripoff of the old 80's song "Amadeus" (retitled as Dr.
Zaius)

The song he sang a broadway style tune at the end went something like
this...

I hate every ape I see,
From Chimpan-A to Chimpan-Z,
But you'll never make a monkey out of me...

(The Statue of Liberty rises in the background)

Oh my god, I was wrong!
It was Earth all along,
you finally made monkey out of me...
(and then the chorus continues this line to the end)

Homer: "I love legitimate theater..."

There was also an episode where Homer was being judged in an arena, very
similar to the one
found in Ape City. Instead of Apes, it was the Planet of the Donuts.
He ended up taking a bite
out of his donut lawyer. As punishment he gets eaten by a giant donut.
It picks him up to eat him
and says "Mmmmmmmmmmm...Homer."

Philip *** wrote:

>
> Homer becomes an astronaut and says during the press conference, "The only

danger is if they send is to that terrible planet of the apes! . . . Wait a
minute . . . Statue of Liberty . . . (gasp) that was OUR planet! You
maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!!!"

___

Yeah, thats episode: A fish called Selma
The Cimpan-A to Chimpan-Z one.
Many episodes were done with brief spoofs, but thats the one that goes all
out! (very cool)

I'm hoping to see if I can catch it on a re-run.
Thanks.

Alex


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Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 10:20 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Simpsons

>Yeah, the episode that really spoofed it was the one mentioned earlier
>about Selma.
>Troy McClure starred in "Stop this Planet of the Apes...I want to get
>off!"
>It had a musical ripoff of the old 80's song "Amadeus" (retitled as Dr.
>Zaius)
>
>The song he sang a broadway style tune at the end went something like
>this...
>
>I hate every ape I see,
>From Chimpan-A to Chimpan-Z,
>But you'll never make a monkey out of me...
>
>(The Statue of Liberty rises in the background)
>
>Oh my god, I was wrong!
>It was Earth all along,
>you finally made monkey out of me...
>(and then the chorus continues this line to the end)
>
>Homer: "I love legitimate theater..."
>
>There was also an episode where Homer was being judged in an arena, very
>similar to the one
>found in Ape City. Instead of Apes, it was the Planet of the Donuts.
>He ended up taking a bite
>out of his donut lawyer. As punishment he gets eaten by a giant donut.
>It picks him up to eat him
>and says "Mmmmmmmmmmm...Homer."
>
>Philip *** wrote:
>
>>
>> Homer becomes an astronaut and says during the press conference, "The

only

> danger is if they send is to that terrible planet of the apes! . . . Wait

a

> minute . . . Statue of Liberty . . . (gasp) that was OUR planet! You
> maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!!!"
>
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Don't forget one of the most recent references to POTA's in film or
television being the new AUSTIN POWERS film. When back in time to the
60's, a girl asks Austin what the future is like.

AUSTIN: "Cars can fly... You eat your meals in pills... and... the
world is run by damn dirty apes!"
(not an exact quote)

90-CORVETTE

Yeah, that was a very funny part of the movie and very accurate.
POTA came out in '68 I believe and Austin said that in '69.
So that quote was very popular in that time.

It would be great to start capturing those kinds of quotes from movie and
T.V. for my ape site.
That's the project I'm planing on working on soon. just as soon as i get
some quotes that is, its not easy.
I have a short clip from the simpsons; a fish called selma, that i will be
posting soon.

Alex

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Subject: [pota] Re: Simpsons

>Don't forget one of the most recent references to POTA's in film or
>television being the new AUSTIN POWERS film. When back in time to the
>60's, a girl asks Austin what the future is like.
>
>AUSTIN: "Cars can fly... You eat your meals in pills... and... the
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I remeber there was a movie done by HBO called: By dawns early light.
The movie was based on WW3 between the U.S. and Russia.
In one of the scenes the co-pilot of a nuclear bomber looked over to the
pilot and asked, "what will happen if this gets out of hand"?
The pilot replyed:"PLANET OF THE APES BABY"!

There was also a comercial that was on recently that made a reference to the
Planet of the Apes. It was like some guy having a dream and him doing his
fantasy things like "playing chess with Cornelius from the Planet of the
Apes" I think it was ad for a credit card

Chris

The chess bit was a mattress ad.

Other references - Do the Right Thing (John Turturro): "Every day I come to
work, it's like Planet of the Apes."

The songs from the Simpson POTA musical are on the CD "Songs in the Key of
Springfield".

One of my favorite spoofs - Heston hosts Saturday Night Live, falls asleep
in the green room, and wakes up to find everyone is an ape. They even did
the opening, where each cast member is announced, with apes.

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The episode when homer says I hope they don't send us to the horrible planet
of the apes is Deep Space Homer 1F13 and the other episode A Fish Named Selma
is episode 3F15.

Chris

We were talking about that movie just the other day. We were throwing
around ideas on how the nuclear war started in POTA. One of the reasons

was an accident like the one in By Dawn's Early Light (a great movie by
the way).
I think Powers Booth was the pilot that said the line.

It's amazing how POTA has influenced so many other movies and is a
common
reference point for T.V. shows. I wonder if POTA would apply in one of
those
center of the universe games?

Let's take an actor...say Morgan Freeman for instance...
Morgan Freeman was in Shawshank Redemption with Tim Robbins.
Tim Robbins was in Top Gun with Val Kilmer.
Val Kilmer was in Tombstone with Charelton Heston, who was in POTA...
Whoa! POTA really is the center of the universe!

Hey, Powers Booth was in Tombstone with Heston too...I see a pattern
here.
Just kidding.

Have a great weekend everybody!
Steve

byruiz@... wrote:

>
> I remeber there was a movie done by HBO called: By dawns early light.

The movie was based on WW3 between the U.S. and Russia.
In one of the scenes the co-pilot of a nuclear bomber looked over to the
pilot and asked, "what will happen if this gets out of hand"?
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Here's some other reference to POTA:

In the movie, "The Chase" with Charlie Sheen, which I think came out
around 1995 maybe.... Anyway, it's near the climax of the movie, and some
head deputy policeman's watching a car chase on a small portable TV, where
cop cars are getting smashed up, it's in the height of it, and then all of a
sudden, the mini T.V. goes static, and then a second later, there's
Charleton Heston in the scene where he says, "Take your stinkin paws off me
you damn dirty apes...." etc. Some dumb guy yells out, "Hey, cool,
monkeys!"

I think one of the best and funnies references I've seen to POTA was in
the movie Spaceballs, which I think came out in the mid 80's. Obviously,
the majority of it is a take-off on star wars, but there's other movies such
as POTA and Wizard of Oz that get some time. Basically, there was a huge
spaceship that was suppose to suck all the air out of this one planet called
Druidia I think it was. The monster spaceship transforms into a huge maid
with a vaccumm. As the movie goes on, eventually the spaceship gets
destroyed, and blown up into a million pieces. Throughout the end of the
movie, you see the maid's head and an arm fly through space. Finally, near
the end, they crash down on some planet, in the desert, right off the
shoreline. The maid's head and arm look very much like the statue of
liberty, but not quite as we know it from the movie. The background and
placement though is really well, with the mountains and shoreline and all.
It then switches, at an exactly perfect camera angle to two chimpanzees
riding up the shoreline on horses. It's the best recreation of the ape
make-up I've ever seen. Basically, they talk a little bit, and end with,
"Well, there goes the planet." It's a must see scene for any POTA fan. The
producer did a really good job with it.

That's all I can think of right now, anyone else got anymore?




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....


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What about that lame Leslie Neilson James Bond / Patriot Games spoof a
while back? Didn't they starp some damsel to a missle that looked
remarkably like the Icarus? Neilson even did the "Damn dirty ape" line
if I remember correctly.

B


mail.mia.bellsouth.net wrote:

>
> Yeah, that was a very funny part of the movie and very accurate.
> POTA came out in '68 I believe and Austin said that in '69.
> So that quote was very popular in that time.
>
> It would be great to start capturing those kinds of quotes from movie and
> T.V. for my ape site.
> That's the project I'm planing on working on soon. just as soon as i get
> some quotes that is, its not easy.
> I have a short clip from the simpsons; a fish called selma, that i will be
> posting soon.
>
> Alex
>
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> Subject: [pota] Re: Simpsons
>
> >Don't forget one of the most recent references to POTA's in film or
> >television being the new AUSTIN POWERS film. When back in time to the
> >60's, a girl asks Austin what the future is like.
> >
> >AUSTIN: "Cars can fly... You eat your meals in pills... and... the
> >world is run by damn dirty apes!"
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Another few references that I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned yet :

- Another Simpsons reference. In a flashback, we see Homer and Marge when
they were much younger, going out one evening. Marge asks Homer if he ever
thinks about their future and he replies "you mean like will Apes be our
masters?"

- "This Morning With Richard Not Judy" - British comedy show featuring
Stewart Lee and Richard Herring. They had a series of sketches entitled
"Extra Final Scenes" in which they had extra scenes at the end of famous
movies. For example, their ending of "Titanic" revealed that Jack had
deliberately sunk the ship just to get rid of Rose, their "Thelma & Louise"
saw the two women chicken out of driving off the cliff and decide that they
should just go home and serve their husbands, and "Blues Brothers 2000" saw
Dan Aykroyd and John Goodman dig up John Belushi's grave and urinate on his
corpse, before lots of blood-stained money started raining down from the
sky. All this on Sunday morning TV. Anyway the point is that they also did a
"Planet of the Apes" extra final scene - but I missed it! It had something
to do with finding the Statue of Liberty, then Big Ben, and so on, but
that's all I know. If anyone saw it, please tell me what happened!
(on a related note, Lee & Herring used to do a live radio show as well,
and on one programme they commented on the fact that Planet of the Apes was
on TV that night, and said "for anyone who hasn't seen it, it's Earth all
along".)

- British rap group Blak Twang released a record called "Real Estate",
which contained the lines:

"My estate is like Planet of the Apes,
where puffa jackets with hoods replace the black capes"
OK, so I don't remember anyone wearing any "capes" as such, but they
mentioned Planet of the Apes, so that's good enough for me.

This thread could run and run - I hope someone's making a note of all these!
More as I remember them!

Alan

.html Okay folks,

Question about the 29th Scroll, 6th verse:

Is it "Beware the beast man,for he is the Devil's pawn."

or is it

"...for he is the Devil's spawn."?

 I've often wondered about that.  Never bothered to buy a xerox copy of the script to find out though.

 Brian

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Use closed caption- That's a trick I learnt.

It's pawn, by the way.

I would agree with that: It is pawn.

Pawn as in tool or device.
An ape prophecy that is later fulfilled in Beneath.
This is why the movie Beneath begins with that segment of POTA.


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Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 11:55 AM
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About the 29th Scroll, 6th verse:

 

REVISED "PLANET OF THE APES" SCREENPLAY (May 23, 1967), page 115:

 

389 Cont.

CORNELIUS

                    ´Beware the beast man, for he is 

                     the devil's pawn. Alone among

 

(...)

 

OK?

 

Bye for now,

 

Adami

tinarosa@...

 

 

 

 

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Hi, I'm Dr Evil, the new guy, you can call me Mike. I just wanted to
introduce myself to everyone and ask what this list usually talks about, the
movies, books, merchandise... Hope to hear from you soon

Dr. M. Evil

Howdy Mike,

Welcome aboard!

We talk just about everything here; alternate story ideas, lotsa nuclear biz,
what's going on with the re-make, etc.

Sometimes it's really quiet, sometimes it's a free-for-all!

You missed hot week a few weeks back. The group was really active for quite a
few days.

What topics would you like to discuss?

Brian
apeman@...

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In a message dated 8/6/99 2:02:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< What topics would you like to discuss? >>
I'm pretty open, I've actually seen all the movies and read the book, and
I'm very interested in alternate stories, one story i heard for the remake is
that Taylor lands on a planet ruled by Caesars heirs where its moreadvanced,
i think that would be cool

Howdy Apemaniacs.

On the subject of remakes, I've seen three different ideas for the remake :-

1. The one in which history really was changed by Caesar, and consequently
the Earth is not destroyed. Some other astronauts land there in the future,
after Taylor, so it is in effect following regular PotA continuity although
the future isn't exactly how we have seen it in previous films. I only read
a summary of this story, not the actual script, and can't really remember
much else about it. I assume it is the version Mike mentioned earlier. I
believe this was the version being touted as a James Cameron effort.
Thankfully he's no longer involved though.

2. The version that involves DNA-based time travel and so on. If I remember
correctly, this was the script that was the subject of a lengthy review in
the Ape Chronicles fanzine a while back. I have a copy of this script, but I
can't actually remember if I ever finished reading it! I'll have to dig it
out for a spot of bedtime-reading tonight...

3. The Sam Hamm script which was still floating around the internet last
time I looked. I thought this script was actually really good for the most
part - however there was one problem. It seemed to be too action oriented
for a PotA film. The finale with all the monorails and flying apes and stuff
is interesting in some ways but frankly some of it seems ridiculous (like a
very bad Arnie film, or the worst of James Bond movies), especially the
ski-jump idea. I think it would make a good film, but if PotA is to be
remade it would take something special. I think I'm suffering from Star Wars
syndrome here - it doesn't matter what they do with the new film (if they
make it), I'll still compare it to the original series and it'll come off
second-best. I don't know exactly what it is that I doesn't sit right with
me about this script - I mean all the common themes of the original films
are there, and for all I complain about the emphasis on action I still love
Conquest and Battle (ant the TV series come to think of it), which were very
action-based. Also, like the original film (and most of the sequels) it has
a great ending, in that they have resisted the temptation to have a happy
ending with a cure for the plague. My only complaint about the ending is
that it's a bit too predictable, especially if you've read Boulle's original
novel. Perhaps it's that I just don't think the characters are strong
enough. They seem more like standard comic book characters than a film
character whom you can really care about. I can't honestly see any parts in
this script that a decent actor could really get their teeth into - unlike
the performances of Heston and Evans (and to a lesser extent MacDowall and
Hunter) in the original film. Or perhaps it's just that a new film wouldn't
have the nostalgia one associates with the original films.

All things considered, I think I'd rather they didn't remake PotA at all.
However, one thing I've always had a little dream about is a TV miniseries
faithfully adapting Boulle's novel, or perhaps an animated movie based on
it. But alas I suspect they'll only remain a dream. Unless of course I
become incredibly rich and famous and move to Hollywood. I don't think
that's too likely though.

Anyone agree/disagree strongly with me? Anyone read any other remake ideas?

I await your comments!

Alan


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I also heard about the other Remake ideas and many more which are very
similar with different twists. However I do wish they made a POTA remake, as
long as they stay true to the original elements, so a future generation will
maybe say thats a cool movie i wonder what the original was like? and maybe
learn a little about our society of the past and present.
I also agree with your idea on the novel adaptation, it was a little more
realistic than the movie in some aspects (to find out what, I suggest you
read it, it's quite good).an animated version would make a great movie/tv
mini-series as long as its not "Cartoon-ish".

Hope to hear from you guys soon, the last POTA list i was on abondoned me!!

Hey Gang,

I thumbed through a script back in 1989-90 when Director Adam Rifkin was
involved. I believe it was his script that got Oliver Stone interested at the
time, if my failing memory serves me right.

Regardless of who wrote it, it was a pretty cool idea. It takes place some 30
years after the first film's story (disregarding all of the film's sequels).
Taylor and Nova's son has grown to adulthood, as has Zira and Cornelius's son.
It was a conspiracy concept story with someone knocking off all of the ape
Hi-Council one-by-one. Had Stone-style written all over it.

We (the late Alterian Studios) had just finished Rifkin's "The Dark Backwards"
so we were all abuzz to do conceptuals for his Apes script at the time.

Eventually, momentum and interest in the project petered out, especially after
"Darkbackwards" failure in the box office.

I still have some of the concepts stashed away somewhere. Would've been cool.
I've seen some of the newer ideas for the CD-Rom game, and they've gone the
same direction as some of the Rifkin-era designs, so that's kindof neat too.

Have a great weekend, y'all.

brian

Alan Maxwell wrote:

> Howdy Apemaniacs.
>
> On the subject of remakes, I've seen three different ideas for the remake :-
>
> 1. The one in which history really was changed by Caesar, and consequently
> the Earth is not destroyed. Some other astronauts land there in the future,
> after Taylor, so it is in effect following regular PotA continuity although
> the future isn't exactly how we have seen it in previous films. I only read
> a summary of this story, not the actual script, and can't really remember
> much else about it. I assume it is the version Mike mentioned earlier. I
> believe this was the version being touted as a James Cameron effort.
> Thankfully he's no longer involved though.
>
> 2. The version that involves DNA-based time travel and so on. If I remember
> correctly, this was the script that was the subject of a lengthy review in
> the Ape Chronicles fanzine a while back. I have a copy of this script, but I
> can't actually remember if I ever finished reading it! I'll have to dig it
> out for a spot of bedtime-reading tonight...
>
> 3. The Sam Hamm script which was still floating around the internet last
> time I looked. I thought this script was actually really good for the most
> part - however there was one problem. It seemed to be too action oriented
> for a PotA film. The finale with all the monorails and flying apes and stuff
> is interesting in some ways but frankly some of it seems ridiculous (like a
> very bad Arnie film, or the worst of James Bond movies), especially the
> ski-jump idea. I think it would make a good film, but if PotA is to be
> remade it would take something special. I think I'm suffering from Star Wars
> syndrome here - it doesn't matter what they do with the new film (if they
> make it), I'll still compare it to the original series and it'll come off
> second-best. I don't know exactly what it is that I doesn't sit right with
> me about this script - I mean all the common themes of the original films
> are there, and for all I complain about the emphasis on action I still love
> Conquest and Battle (ant the TV series come to think of it), which were very
> action-based. Also, like the original film (and most of the sequels) it has
> a great ending, in that they have resisted the temptation to have a happy
> ending with a cure for the plague. My only complaint about the ending is
> that it's a bit too predictable, especially if you've read Boulle's original
> novel. Perhaps it's that I just don't think the characters are strong
> enough. They seem more like standard comic book characters than a film
> character whom you can really care about. I can't honestly see any parts in
> this script that a decent actor could really get their teeth into - unlike
> the performances of Heston and Evans (and to a lesser extent MacDowall and
> Hunter) in the original film. Or perhaps it's just that a new film wouldn't
> have the nostalgia one associates with the original films.
>
> All things considered, I think I'd rather they didn't remake PotA at all.
> However, one thing I've always had a little dream about is a TV miniseries
> faithfully adapting Boulle's novel, or perhaps an animated movie based on
> it. But alas I suspect they'll only remain a dream. Unless of course I
> become incredibly rich and famous and move to Hollywood. I don't think
> that's too likely though.
>
> Anyone agree/disagree strongly with me? Anyone read any other remake ideas?
>
> I await your comments!
>
> Alan
>
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>
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I am forwarding this message from a POTA fan. Hope everyone has some
detailed info on this question. Thanks

From: <Rgbee1@...>
To: <comicsape@...>

> Sometime ago, I watched "Planet of the Apes" marathon for the 30th
> anniversary (basically all five movies back to back on some channel that

I

> don' t remember now) on tv and really anjoyed it...
>
> Besides the movies, they also gave a lot of information about how the

movies

> were made, who were involved in them, etc., behind the scenes kind of
> things... Another thing they told was, the sets that they built (the

statue

> of liberty, the metro station, etc...) still stayed wherever (they told

that

> too, but unfortunately I do not remember) it was built. I just remember

that

> it is somewhere in L. A, one of the beaches along the coastline.
>
> So shortly, I was wondering if anyone has an idea where it is?

From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>

> Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting some
> Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find someone

to

> Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
> information would be Greatly Appreciated...
> Chris Llewellyn

Has anyone seen the Gorilla soldier figure in retail stores yet?
I'm tempted to buy it on-line, but I'd like to save a few bucks and buy
it locally.

Also, any word out there on the release of the smaller figures?

Thanks,
Steve

The 12" gorilla soldier is an online exclusive. And he's pink. Go to
hasbrocollectors.com to see him in all his fuschia glory.

The smaller figures suck so badly that I won't own them. I refuse to give
money to such an obviously indifferent endeavor.

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Hi Steve,
The 12 inch Gorilla Hasbro are selling on line is different to the one that
is in stores. The on-line version is a Gorilla Soldier w/ backpack and gun.
The regular release is a Gorilla Sergeant w/ capture net. His jacket
features the ranking insignia as seen in the TV series. I don't know if the
there are any other differences as I haven't got the Sergeant as yet. The
Soldier's head is a different mold to that of the previously released
"Ursus" but the colors of his uniform are all wrong. A shame when they put
so much attention to detail into the 12 inch Star Wars figures. Either way,
I'm happy to be able to buy NEW Apes merchandise in 1999.
Apparently the smaller figures have hit the shelves in Walmart and Target (
on the west coast at least).
Best,
KEN

steven.temple@... wrote:

> Has anyone seen the Gorilla soldier figure in retail stores yet?
> I'm tempted to buy it on-line, but I'd like to save a few bucks and buy
> it locally.
>
> Also, any word out there on the release of the smaller figures?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
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.html I haven't been to the Toy's R Us near me yet, but I hear they have them now.  A buddy did stop buy at lunch today with the bubble pack action figures of Zaius, Cornelius, and the Gorilla sergeant.  GREAT PACKAGING!!!!  The sculpts aren't so great and the paint jobs were a bit awkward (cornelius' nostrils were painted on the side of his muzzle).

All in all, THEY ARE NEW PLANET OF THE APES TOYS!!!  YAHOO!!!

brian

steven.temple@... wrote:

Has anyone seen the Gorilla soldier figure in retail stores yet?
I'm tempted to buy it on-line, but I'd like to save a few bucks and buy
it locally.

Also, any word out there on the release of the smaller figures?

Thanks,
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Terry Hoknes wrote:

>
> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
>
> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting some
> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find someone
> to
> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
> > Chris Llewellyn
>Terry Hoknes wrote:
>
> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
>
> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting some
> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find someone
> to
> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
> > Chris Llewellyn

Well, you've come to the right place once again Chris.

Point one: Make-up artist Bob Romero (who worked on the first 2 films
at least, that I know of) has several original Roddy pieces and Kim
pieces, as well as a complete Zira Bust the was made for a display at
the 1968 Acadamy Awards Ceremony he is going to be selling sometime
after August 24th (he is currently in europe on assignment). He also
told me that he has 2 original holsters (with dummy pistols) and some
Last Starfighter items he is looking to unload.

Make-up artist Dan Striepeke has also been openning his closet up this
past year to let go of some pretty nice original prosthetics and pull
over (stunt and background) masks. I saw a few of the items that Dan
was selling earlier this year and they were VERY well preserved for
their age. I do know that one set of pieces he let go (gorilla, male
chimp, and female chimp) fetched over 3G's, so just be aware of what you
may expect as more closets get opened up to collectors.

I know that Fox Archives is VERY interested in Mr. Romero's items,
especially the Zira bust and the holsters. We'll see what becomes of
those pieces when Bob gets back from Europe.


Point Two:

Apemania.com is making available prosthetic kits as well as deluxe pull
over masks and economy masks as part of their new line of specialty
Planet of the Apes merchandise.

The "new look" for the Apemania website will debut by the end of this
week, with a complete line of specialty merchandise licensed by 20th
Century Fox. So stop by and check us out!

Hope this answers your quetsions.

Brian
Apeman@...

Hey! I'm on the East coast...Philadelphia..none of the figures have been
released here yet....Which is strange, Because Hasbro - Kenner is in Long
Island, NY. Someone noted that they are in Target and Walmart on the West
coast. These stores never sold the first series Apes. I've only seen them at
Toys R. Us and Kay bee toys stores. I'm disappointed that nobody thinks the
quality is good. It would have been fantastic if Tom Macfarlane (who did the
Movie Maniacs) sculpted the figures. His detailing is amazing. Also there is
a company that is making keychains, lighters and pill boxes with a Gorilla
soldier image on it. Would love to see pictures of everyone's Ape
collections...Mine has become a whole room in my house over the past couple
years......Thanks Rob

Pterosaur3@... wrote:

>
> Hey! I'm on the East coast...Philadelphia..

Me too!

>none of the figures have been
> released here yet....Which is strange, Because Hasbro - Kenner is in Long
> Island, NY.

They're in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. That's where their mail order stuff
comes from, at least . . .

>Someone noted that they are in Target and Walmart on the West
> coast. These stores never sold the first series Apes.

Target in Cherry Hill had tons of the first series, especially after
they were marked down to $12. Not sure if I saw them at Wal-Mart.
I've only seen them at

> Toys R. Us and Kay bee toys stores. I'm disappointed that nobody thinks the
> quality is good.

I'm disappointed that the quality isn't good.

Phil

Thanks to everyone who provided information on the new action figures.
I'm in Mississippi and I purchased the first 3 at Toys R Us (we
fortunately have 2 stores in town).
They were also at Wal-Mart and Kay Bee Toys. Toys R Us had them in the
discount bin for $4.95.
I haven't seen any of the new ones down here in the South, so my guess
is that they hit the West
Coast first. I'll be sure to purchase the on-line gorilla from Hasbro.
I had a bad feeling that it would
be an on-line exclusive, so thanks for confirming!

Thanks!
Steve

Pterosaur3@... wrote:

>
> Hey! I'm on the East coast...Philadelphia..none of the figures have been

released here yet....Which is strange, Because Hasbro - Kenner is in Long
Island, NY. Someone noted that they are in Target and Walmart on the West
coast. These stores never sold the first series Apes. I've only seen them at
Toys R. Us and Kay bee toys stores. I'm disappointed that nobody thinks the
quality is good. It would have been fantastic if Tom Macfarlane (who did the
Movie Maniacs) sculpted the figures. His detailing is amazing. Also there is
a company that is making keychains, lighters and pill boxes with a Gorilla
soldier image on it. Would love to see pictures of everyone's Ape
collections...Mine has become a whole room in my house over the past couple
years......Thanks Rob

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.html Someone should sell a "Planet of the Apes Action Figure Cosmetic Corrections Kit".  Why is it that the darn toy makers can't get the Apes right, but they can do great Skeleton Warriors and kick butt with anything attached to McFarlaine?

B

PS:  We did give the Hasbro reps hell about the 30th Anniversary  line when they visited our booth at E-3 this year.  There's video somewhere of Apes reprimanding Hasbro reps floating around somewhere.
 

Philip Nobile wrote:

I'm disappointed that the quality isn't good.

Phil
 

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>Someone should sell a "Planet of the Apes Action Figure Cosmetic
>Corrections
>Kit". Why is it that the darn toy makers can't get the Apes right, but
>they can
>do great Skeleton Warriors and kick butt with anything attached to
>McFarlaine?

Because McFarlane owns his company. Star Wars has Lucas. POTA has no one to
police the quality of merchandising, or no one who WILL. Don't look for Fox
to do it - they couldn't even get the artwork on their video boxes right.

>Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > I'm disappointed that the quality isn't good.
> >
> > Phil
> >
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Hi, Brian!

Do you have Bob Romero's correspondence address? I have interest in contact
him!

Adami
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-----Mensagem original-----
De: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Data: Terça-feira, 10 de Agosto de 1999 08:47
Assunto: [pota] Re: POTA Prosthetics

>Terry Hoknes wrote:
>>
>> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
>>
>> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting

some

>> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find

someone

>> to
>> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
>> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
>> > Chris Llewellyn
>>Terry Hoknes wrote:
>>
>> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
>>
>> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting

some

>> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find

someone

>> to
>> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
>> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
>> > Chris Llewellyn
>
>Well, you've come to the right place once again Chris.
>
>Point one: Make-up artist Bob Romero (who worked on the first 2 films
>at least, that I know of) has several original Roddy pieces and Kim
>pieces, as well as a complete Zira Bust the was made for a display at
>the 1968 Acadamy Awards Ceremony he is going to be selling sometime
>after August 24th (he is currently in europe on assignment). He also
>told me that he has 2 original holsters (with dummy pistols) and some
>Last Starfighter items he is looking to unload.
>
>Make-up artist Dan Striepeke has also been openning his closet up this
>past year to let go of some pretty nice original prosthetics and pull
>over (stunt and background) masks. I saw a few of the items that Dan
>was selling earlier this year and they were VERY well preserved for
>their age. I do know that one set of pieces he let go (gorilla, male
>chimp, and female chimp) fetched over 3G's, so just be aware of what you
>may expect as more closets get opened up to collectors.
>
>I know that Fox Archives is VERY interested in Mr. Romero's items,
>especially the Zira bust and the holsters. We'll see what becomes of
>those pieces when Bob gets back from Europe.
>
>
>Point Two:
>
>Apemania.com is making available prosthetic kits as well as deluxe pull
>over masks and economy masks as part of their new line of specialty
>Planet of the Apes merchandise.
>
>The "new look" for the Apemania website will debut by the end of this
>week, with a complete line of specialty merchandise licensed by 20th
>Century Fox. So stop by and check us out!
>
>Hope this answers your quetsions.
>
>Brian
>Apeman@...
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>

>Because McFarlane owns his company. Star Wars has Lucas. POTA has no one

to

>police the quality of merchandising, or no one who WILL. Don't look for

Fox

>to do it - they couldn't even get the artwork on their video boxes right.

Maybe someone should suggest this to Fox - I'm sure we'd all be fighting
each other to land the job!

Alan


"I remember days that felt like it was raining daisies"

-----------------"Oiceboug, Roit Ahaid"------------------
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Hi Luiz,

Bob will be in Europe until the 24th of August on assignment. He is not
cyber-connected (doesn't do the e-mail thing), so you can't connect with him
that way yet.

I'll ask him when he get's back how he wants to handle people inquiring about
the items. I can't hand out his phone number until he tells me it's okay.

I think he plans to sell the items at auction, a real auction like Sotherbies,
not ebay.

I'll keep the group posted.

Brian

Luiz Adami wrote:

> Hi, Brian!
>
> Do you have Bob Romero's correspondence address? I have interest in contact
> him!
>
> Adami
> tinarosa@...
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> Data: Terça-feira, 10 de Agosto de 1999 08:47
> Assunto: [pota] Re: POTA Prosthetics
>
> >Terry Hoknes wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
> >>
> >> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting
> some
> >> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find
> someone
> >> to
> >> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
> >> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
> >> > Chris Llewellyn
> >>Terry Hoknes wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
> >>
> >> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting
> some
> >> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find
> someone
> >> to
> >> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
> >> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
> >> > Chris Llewellyn
> >
> >Well, you've come to the right place once again Chris.
> >
> >Point one: Make-up artist Bob Romero (who worked on the first 2 films
> >at least, that I know of) has several original Roddy pieces and Kim
> >pieces, as well as a complete Zira Bust the was made for a display at
> >the 1968 Acadamy Awards Ceremony he is going to be selling sometime
> >after August 24th (he is currently in europe on assignment). He also
> >told me that he has 2 original holsters (with dummy pistols) and some
> >Last Starfighter items he is looking to unload.
> >
> >Make-up artist Dan Striepeke has also been openning his closet up this
> >past year to let go of some pretty nice original prosthetics and pull
> >over (stunt and background) masks. I saw a few of the items that Dan
> >was selling earlier this year and they were VERY well preserved for
> >their age. I do know that one set of pieces he let go (gorilla, male
> >chimp, and female chimp) fetched over 3G's, so just be aware of what you
> >may expect as more closets get opened up to collectors.
> >
> >I know that Fox Archives is VERY interested in Mr. Romero's items,
> >especially the Zira bust and the holsters. We'll see what becomes of
> >those pieces when Bob gets back from Europe.
> >
> >
> >Point Two:
> >
> >Apemania.com is making available prosthetic kits as well as deluxe pull
> >over masks and economy masks as part of their new line of specialty
> >Planet of the Apes merchandise.
> >
> >The "new look" for the Apemania website will debut by the end of this
> >week, with a complete line of specialty merchandise licensed by 20th
> >Century Fox. So stop by and check us out!
> >
> >Hope this answers your quetsions.
> >
> >Brian
> >Apeman@...
> >
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In a message dated 8/10/99 1:30:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Pterosaur3@... writes:

<< Tom Macfarlane >>
Todd Mcfarlane...sorry...Couldnlt resist correcting him., And as long as he
didnlt teake any creative justice with them ( General Ursus, with Human body
parts...) I think that would have been wonderful.

.html

Hi,

I recall someone was looking for the POTA plate at some stage.

Please follow this link to eBay to find one currently being auctioned.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=144458987

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Luiz Adami [mailto:tinarosa@...]
Sent: Monday, 1 January 1996 17:49
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA Prosthetics

Hi, Brian!

Do you have Bob Romero's correspondence address? I have interest in contact
him!

Adami
tinarosa@...

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
Para: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Data: Terça-feira, 10 de Agosto de 1999 08:47
Assunto: [pota] Re: POTA Prosthetics

>Terry Hoknes wrote:
>>
>> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
>>
>> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting
some
>> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find
someone
>> to
>> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
>> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
>> > Chris Llewellyn
>>Terry Hoknes wrote:
>>
>> From: Chris or Cody <codychris@...>
>>
>> > Hello, I am a Huge Planet of the Apes Fan and I`m Desperately wanting
some
>> > Original Planet of the Apes Prosthetics, I`m also trying to find
someone
>> to
>> > Custom Make me a Planet of the Apes Mask....Any
>> > information would be Greatly Appreciated...
>> > Chris Llewellyn
>
>Well, you've come to the right place once again Chris.
>
>Point one:  Make-up artist Bob Romero (who worked on the first 2 films
>at least, that I know of) has several original Roddy pieces and Kim
>pieces, as well as a complete Zira Bust the was made for a display at
>the 1968 Acadamy Awards Ceremony he is going to be selling sometime
>after August 24th (he is currently in europe on assignment).  He also
>told me that he has 2 original holsters (with dummy pistols) and some
>Last Starfighter items he is looking to unload.
>
>Make-up artist Dan Striepeke has also been openning his closet up this
>past year to let go of some pretty nice original prosthetics and pull
>over (stunt and background) masks.  I saw a few of the items that Dan
>was selling earlier this year and they were VERY well preserved for
>their age.  I do know that one set of pieces he let go (gorilla, male
>chimp, and female chimp) fetched over 3G's, so just be aware of what you
>may expect as more closets get opened up to collectors.
>
>I know that Fox Archives is VERY interested in Mr. Romero's items,
>especially the Zira bust and the holsters. We'll see what becomes of
>those pieces when Bob gets back from Europe.
>
>
>Point Two:
>
>Apemania.com is making available prosthetic kits as well as deluxe pull
>over masks and economy masks as part of their new line of specialty
>Planet of the Apes merchandise.
>
>The "new look" for the Apemania website will debut by the end of this
>week, with a complete line of specialty merchandise licensed by 20th
>Century Fox.  So stop by and check us out!
>
>Hope this answers your quetsions.
>
>Brian
>Apeman@...
>
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how do i get off this 'dod damn stinking' list?

-----Original Message-----
From: alan@...
[alan@...]
Sent: 10 August 1999 23:39
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: New figures-question



-----Original Message-----
From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>

>Because McFarlane owns his company. Star Wars has Lucas. POTA has no

one
to

>police the quality of merchandising, or no one who WILL. Don't look

for
Fox

>to do it - they couldn't even get the artwork on their video boxes

right.


Maybe someone should suggest this to Fox - I'm sure we'd all be fighting
each other to land the job!

Alan


"I remember days that felt like it was raining daisies"

-----------------"Oiceboug, Roit Ahaid"------------------
The Artist Formerly Known As ceeam3
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Stephen.Meakin@... wrote:

>
> how do i get off this 'dod damn stinking' list?
>

The same way you got yourself on it?

Still watching the stores for the 3 new figures... Best luck with the
first three was Target and Walmart. ToysRUs in our area seemed slow in
stocking it.

Best!

The Toys R Us down here (both locations) carried the first 3 for a
little while
and then put them in the discount bins. I just ordered the on-line
exclusive
gorilla from Hasbro. After shipping it was about $30. I'll keep
checking the
stores down here (MS) and let you know if I see them.

What other figures would you guys like to see in the near future?
(Nova, being my first choice!)

Steve T.

90-CORVETTE wrote:

>
> Stephen.Meakin@... wrote:
>
> how do i get off this 'dod damn stinking' list?
>

The same way you got yourself on it?

Still watching the stores for the 3 new figures... Best luck with the
first three was Target and Walmart. ToysRUs in our area seemed slow in
stocking it.

Best!

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<<What other figures would you guys like to see in the near future?
(Nova, being my first choice!)Steve T.>>

I'd like to see any of them, done properly. I'm living in a fantasy world,
there.

For a long while, KB's online site listed a POTA 2 pack exclusive - it was
allegedly Taylor (in rags) and Nova - whatever it was, they cancelled it.

I saw Wave 2 in Target in NJ. The Gorilla sergeant is actually a new
sculpt, but reuses Ursus' gloves.

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Re: New figures-question
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:52:41 -0600
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I've got an idea guys. I think we can all agree on the fact that Hasbro
has
done a less than satisfying job on the POTA figs. I believe it would be
worth
while to contact Hasbro and let them know how we feel about their
designs.
We have more than enough people here to get their attention if we can
all
E-mail them and voice our concerns. This is one address I found, but if

anyone else has a better point-of-contact, let us know. Maybe it will
make
a difference! Thanks!

hasbrocollectors@...

Philip *** wrote:

>
> <<What other figures would you guys like to see in the near future?

(Nova, being my first choice!)Steve T.>>

I'd like to see any of them, done properly. I'm living in a fantasy world,
there.

For a long while, KB's online site listed a POTA 2 pack exclusive - it was
allegedly Taylor (in rags) and Nova - whatever it was, they cancelled it.

I saw Wave 2 in Target in NJ. The Gorilla sergeant is actually a new
sculpt, but reuses Ursus' gloves.

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
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Steve Temple <steven.temple@...> wrote:

>What other figures would you guys like to see in the near future?
>(Nova, being my first choice!)

Mutants, and lots of them! The problem with the Apes is that a lot of them
would look the same. Breck from Conquest too - dig that black uniform.

Actually, who cares what I want - I have to be honest and say that as yet I
haven't actually bought any of them. Just too expensive over here.

Alan


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Sadly, I think whoever posted last week and said something to the effect of
"All I care about is that there's new POTA toys! Woohoo!" was echoing the
sentiments of many list members. How can you express dissatisfaction
effectively if you've already boiught the pink soldier ape? They released
crap, and people bought it anyway. Without any kind of documentation showing
how many MORE people would have bought their stuff if it was any good, we're
just pissing in the wind, I think.

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
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Granted, I did buy the "pink" ape as well as the others, but I think we
might be able to
make a difference on future releases. What do we have to lose? We will
end up with
crap if we do nothing. Besides, we're consumers and we have a right to
tell them that
their stuff sucks. Wouldn't you have liked to have had your Cornelius
with the proper
outfit and hair? Philip, maybe you could send your conversion picts. to
them and show
them what they're doing wrong. Heck, I'd like to see them anyway!

Let's write those suckers and let 'em know how we feel! Otherwise, they
might put out a
flat-chested Nova in wave 3! Now, that would be a crime against
humanity!

: )

Thanks,
Steve

Philip *** wrote:

>
> Sadly, I think whoever posted last week and said something to the effect of

"All I care about is that there's new POTA toys! Woohoo!" was echoing the
sentiments of many list members. How can you express dissatisfaction
effectively if you've already boiught the pink soldier ape? They released
crap, and people bought it anyway. Without any kind of documentation showing
how many MORE people would have bought their stuff if it was any good, we're
just pissing in the wind, I think.

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
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I'd love to share the customized pics with you - as soon as I have some! The
figures are in various stages of completion. I had a nice Cornelius, but
sent it to a friend in trade. I still need to sculpt the chest armor for
Ursus - I'm just one man!!!

I have some plans for Wave 2 - they did get Zira's outfit right, but she
looks like she has makeup on! And she's wearing man-boots. Taylor needs to
be blonder and tanner. Those TV stripes on the sergeant are coming off, and
Ursus is getting his belt and holster. If you combined a Soldier outfit
(sleeves, pants, both dyed) with the Sergeant outfit (vest, boots), you
might have something.

Wave 3? Color me cynical, but I think that's some wishful thinking . . .


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I am looking to buy a gorilla soldier head to toe uniform (including a 
mask, it has to be a mask since this will be displayed on a mannequin) and 
rifle.  you seem to be the expert in the five hours of searching on the web I 
have done.  Any suggestions? Is the licensed mask available from Badplanet 
and other costume outlets any good or is it crappy?  Who else may have an 
alternative.  as far as components go, I am more interested in really 
top-notch repro than original since it would be wearable without worrying 
about getting damaged.  Thanks for your time!!  rel1013
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I just got a repro rifle from Mark Gonzales- Expensive but nicely
crafted-

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Cinema/7171/index.html"

> Terry Hoknes wrote:
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> From: <REL1013@...>
> I am looking to buy a gorilla soldier head to toe uniform (including
> a
> mask, it has to be a mask since this will be displayed on a mannequin)
> and
> rifle. you seem to be the expert in the five hours of searching on
> the web I
> have done. Any suggestions? Is the licensed mask available from
> Badplanet
> and other costume outlets any good or is it crappy? Who else may have
> an
> alternative. as far as components go, I am more interested in really
> top-notch repro than original since it would be wearable without
> worrying
> about getting damaged. Thanks for your time!! rel1013
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> For a tease of OFFICIALLY licensed ape stuff, check out
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> http://apemania.com/30thRifle.jpg

That's really nice, but does the rifle come off the plaque, or is it
permanently attached? What about price range? Hmm?

I've seen some of Fox's newer licensed stuff (figures, for example), and
it makes me sick that they've managed to greenlight products that even
*I* wouldn't buy. And I've bought some stupid shit with the POTA logo
on it, I don't mind telling you.

> The new APEMANIA site will be up by the end of the week, all goodies
> attached!
> Take care.
>
> Brian
> apeman@...
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> Philip Nobile wrote:
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> > I just got a repro rifle from Mark Gonzales- Expensive but nicely
> > crafted-
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> > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Cinema/7171/index.html"
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> > > Terry Hoknes wrote:
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> > > From: <REL1013@...>
> > > I am looking to buy a gorilla soldier head to toe uniform
> > (including
> > > a
> > > mask, it has to be a mask since this will be displayed on a
> > mannequin)
> > > and
> > > rifle. you seem to be the expert in the five hours of searching
> > on
> > > the web I
> > > have done. Any suggestions? Is the licensed mask available from
> > > Badplanet
> > > and other costume outlets any good or is it crappy? Who else may
> > have
> > > an
> > > alternative. as far as components go, I am more interested in
> > really
> > > top-notch repro than original since it would be wearable without
> > > worrying
> > > about getting damaged. Thanks for your time!! rel1013
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Hasn't been much activity recently. Anyway a friend of mine has a softcover
book that is similiar to a comic book. Its an adaption of Planet of the Apes
and comes with a 45 record. It was made in the early 70s. Does anybody out
there know how much this might be worth?
Sincerely,
Chris

Wow Chris that is amazing.
By any chance does it have a collection of 4 Comic books on the back cover?
As too showing a picture of the collection of all four?

Because I do still have that collection, the collection has:
Planet
Beneath
Escape
Battle

All sold seprately, but showing the collection on the back cover.

For some odd reason they left out Conquest.
But as of today I still have all four that came in the original collection.

Plus two others from a separate collection from the T.V. episodes.
But those were only 45's themselves. (No books as the planet of the ape
movies did)

All from the 70's.

If you find out anything let me know.
Alex


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Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:55 PM
Subject: [pota] Ape Comic book

>Hasn't been much activity recently. Anyway a friend of mine has a softcover
>book that is similiar to a comic book. Its an adaption of Planet of the

Apes

>and comes with a 45 record. It was made in the early 70s. Does anybody out
>there know how much this might be worth?
>Sincerely,
>Chris
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Monitor EBAY and you'll likely see it there eventually... plus
you'll know the current "market price" for it then. :-)



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> Hasn't been much activity recently. Anyway a friend of mine has a softcover
> book that is similiar to a comic book. Its an adaption of Planet of the Apes
> and comes with a 45 record. It was made in the early 70s. Does anybody out
> there know how much this might be worth?
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Yeah thats the kind I have. I found out the price for the record and comic
book from the Brazilian guy, Adami. He says 10-15 bucks is reasonable and 20
at max.

Chris

I've got a couple of those book & record things (Escape & Battle) and I'd
agree with the price mentioned - about a tenner is the average price when
I've seen them in the UK (about $15US?). I also saw a record once (didn't
have any cash on me!) which didn't appear to have any of the comics but it
was a 33 1/3 LP which collected all 4 recordings.

I've wondered too about why they didn't do Conquest, but I reckon it's
probably because of the market they were aiming for. The book & record sets
appear to be aimed at kids, and I suppose Conquest could be seen (at the
time anyway) as being a bit too dark and violent for kids.

The adaptations weren't particularly accurate either from I can see - the
one particular detail I like to moan about until everyone is sick of hearing
of it is that in the Battle adaptation, Caesar's son Cornelius doesn't even
make an appearance! Strange since part of the plot revolved around his
death.

Alan


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