renaissance29@... wrote:

>
> At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp, Lucius,
> "Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment date
> the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor himself
> is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put this
> in the film?

POTA was a film of its time, and Taylor was being a wiseass, bemused by
Lucius' strangely familiar teen attitude.

Watch Blade Runner recently? Something like 60% of all the companies
you see signs for in the film are long out of business. So that's dated
as well.

And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask me.

philip nobile <pjn120-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=603

> renaissance29@... wrote:
> >
> > At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp,

Lucius,

> > "Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment

date

> > the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor

himself

> > is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put

this

> > in the film?
>
> POTA was a film of its time, and Taylor was being a wiseass, bemused

by

> Lucius' strangely familiar teen attitude.
>
> Watch Blade Runner recently? Something like 60% of all the companies
> you see signs for in the film are long out of business. So that's

dated

> as well.
>
> And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask me.

Not really. I see people with Han and Luke haircuts now, in 1999.
Granted it's not the "in" style, but some people still wear their hair
cut that way...

>>And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask me.
> Not really. I see people with Han and Luke haircuts now, in 1999.

Granted it's not the "in" style, but some people still wear their hair
cut that way...

Well, those people are dated as well.

And Aunt Beru's outfit looked like it came from a Sears ctatlog, or Carol
Brady's closet.

It'll be fun to see how the Anglo-esque hair braids of Episode One evolve
into the circa 76 surfer dude cuts by the end of Episode Three.

______________________________________________________

Hey, let's just be glad that they didn't use some "Starksy &
Hutch"-esque
or "Shaft" music for Star Wars. And for that matter, POTA could have
had
some really bad, psychedelic music and effects. Let's be glad they
didn't...

Taylor: "There's gotta be something out there more groovy than man...."

Dodge: "Whoa, man! It's a planet full of apes and I'm totally freakin'
out!"
Taylor: "Yeah, man. Too bad Stewart OD'd in her sleep chamber..."
Landon: "Shut up, man! You're just a tool of the establishment, man!"

Philip *** wrote:

>
> >>And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask me.
> Not really. I see people with Han and Luke haircuts now, in 1999.

Granted it's not the "in" style, but some people still wear their hair
cut that way...

Well, those people are dated as well.

And Aunt Beru's outfit looked like it came from a Sears ctatlog, or Carol
Brady's closet.

It'll be fun to see how the Anglo-esque hair braids of Episode One evolve
into the circa 76 surfer dude cuts by the end of Episode Three.

Just wondering about this. There was a thread on this a while back
on this forum, but it was before I started posting here and there have
probably also been new members since then, so I'll explain:

There is no reasonable explanation for how the apes look in the films
- they're more human-like, intelligent, and bigger than normal apes (of
course, we all know they're humans in costume, but I'm talking about
within the context of the fictional films). Obviously the nuclear war
didn't make them like this, because they were already looking like this
(in Conquest), which took place before the war began. Also, we see, in
Battle, that there are several older apes (Murmandus - sp?), who have
apparently been around for 50-60 years (Battle takes place about 10+
years after the war).

So, a theory that one of the POTA fans came up with (sorry, not sure
which one), is that, in the 50' and 60's of this alternate earth (ANSA
instead of NASA), the government developed genetic breeding among the
apes, which made certain apes more intelligent and increased their
stature. This practice was more or less secret until the plague came
along (which killed cats and dogs), and then was made public since
people wanted pets/domesticated servants.

The theory that the plague which killed the cats and dogs was
responsible for making the apes look the way they do is kind of
interesting, but it still doesn't explain apes like Murmandus...

> At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp, Lucius,
>"Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment date
>the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor himself
>is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put this
>in the film? IMHO, films that don't use pop-culture references age
>much better...(Star Wars being a good example..)

I think that EVEN THEN Taylor's character was saying it to mock the
counter-culture. Heston was no liberal, and he was obviously over 30!

>POTA was a film of its time, and Taylor was being a wiseass, bemused by
>Lucius' strangely familiar teen attitude.

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>> And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask me.
>
> Not really. I see people with Han and Luke haircuts now, in 1999.
>Granted it's not the "in" style, but some people still wear their hair
>cut that way...

well, that means they are wearing "retro" hair styles. Which supports the
idea that the look is dated. It would be like saying that Happy Days was
'current' in the late 70s, rather than acknowledging it was retro.






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I agree with the genetic-breeding theory... The two common explanations
in
the chronology are that the radiation or plague mutated the apes and the
humans.
I believe this was true in the context of POTA and may have been true in
the
original timeline. Remember Cornelius' story of how apes overcame man?
The
events he described are very different than what we saw in the last two
movies.

However, Cornelius and Zira altered the timeline and thus changed
history. But
even in this alternate existence, we have old apes like Mendemus (I
estimated
that he was in his 60's). Virgil mentioned that Mendemus was his
teacher when
he was a boy. It's possible that genetic experimentation began in the
30's and
40's...but who started it? Was it a U.S. experiment kept secret all of
these years?
Or was it some of Hitler's attempts to create supersoldiers? We'll
never know...

It's possible that the apes were created using a series of spliced human
and ape
genes. Maybe they conducted further research when the genes of
Cornelius and
Zira were made available. This pure-strain genetic material could be
responsible
for the development of highly intelligent apes, such as Virgil and the
ultra-violent
apes such as Aldo. It's possible that apes were a lot closer to man
than Taylor
originally thought. Just a theory, though...

Another question that comes up is how the apes in Battle came up with
the same
clothing and hierogylphs as the future apes. Is it possible that Zira
handed off
some writing or other information to Armando (to pass on to Caesar when
he came
of age)? I'd like to hear some theories if anybody has any...

Thanks!

renaissance29@... wrote:

>
> Just wondering about this. There was a thread on this a while back

on this forum, but it was before I started posting here and there have
probably also been new members since then, so I'll explain:

There is no reasonable explanation for how the apes look in the films
- they're more human-like, intelligent, and bigger than normal apes (of
course, we all know they're humans in costume, but I'm talking about
within the context of the fictional films). Obviously the nuclear war
didn't make them like this, because they were already looking like this
(in Conquest), which took place before the war began. Also, we see, in
Battle, that there are several older apes (Murmandus - sp?), who have
apparently been around for 50-60 years (Battle takes place about 10+
years after the war).

So, a theory that one of the POTA fans came up with (sorry, not sure
which one), is that, in the 50' and 60's of this alternate earth (ANSA
instead of NASA), the government developed genetic breeding among the
apes, which made certain apes more intelligent and increased their
stature. This practice was more or less secret until the plague came
along (which killed cats and dogs), and then was made public since
people wanted pets/domesticated servants.

The theory that the plague which killed the cats and dogs was
responsible for making the apes look the way they do is kind of
interesting, but it still doesn't explain apes like Murmandus...

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First off, in the original novel by Boulle, the Apes looked like
apes.(Thought you guys may like to know that for jeopardy or something)
About the older apes...there was radiation around back then, maybe it was
just a natural mutation, perhaps the plague and radiation can cause a
metamorphisis.
These are just theories and not as in depth as the other ones but....maybe
it's just a movie and the filmmakers made a mistake.

Steve Temple <steven.temple@...> wrote:

>Another question that comes up is how the apes in Battle came up with
>the same
>clothing and hierogylphs as the future apes.

Maybe Caesar & friends invented them, which is why the apes from the future
would have them?

I'm not sure, all this time travel stuff gets confusing...

Alan

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renaissance2-@... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=602

>
> At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp, Lucius,
> "Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment date
> the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor himself
> is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put

this

> in the film? IMHO, films that don't use pop-culture references age
> much better...(Star Wars being a good example..)
> Gee, Ren.--Taylor's making a joke... In fact, if you want to get

really analytical, he probably finds it funny, because it's hundreds
and hundreds of years after the phrase would have had any
signifigance... Heck, you probably didn't like Neville watching
WOODSTOCK, in THE OMEGA MAN either...

philip nobile <pjn120-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=603

> renaissance29@... wrote:
> >
> > At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp,

Lucius,

> > "Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment

date

> > the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor

himself

> > is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put

this

> > in the film?
>
> POTA was a film of its time, and Taylor was being a wiseass, bemused

by

> Lucius' strangely familiar teen attitude.
>
> Watch Blade Runner recently? Something like 60% of all the companies
> you see signs for in the film are long out of business. So that's

dated

> as well.
>
> And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask

me. Hey, wait-a-minute, Phl--I HAVE Han Solo's haircut...

Uh oh.

My Serling drafts survived the basement Floyd flood. And I have
Serling's unused Episode One POTA script, to answer a question from a
while back.

jameshburns@... wrote:

>
> philip nobile <pjn120-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=603
> > renaissance29@... wrote:
> > >
> > > At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp,
> Lucius,
> > > "Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment
> date
> > > the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor
> himself
> > > is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put
> this
> > > in the film?
> >
> > POTA was a film of its time, and Taylor was being a wiseass, bemused
> by
> > Lucius' strangely familiar teen attitude.
> >
> > Watch Blade Runner recently? Something like 60% of all the companies
> > you see signs for in the film are long out of business. So that's
> dated
> > as well.
> >
> > And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask
> me. Hey, wait-a-minute, Phl--I HAVE Han Solo's haircut...
>
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Hmm. Well. Like any of you give a crap about my basement. Misuse of
the reply button. Sorry! Won't happen again.

Philip Nobile wrote:

>
> Uh oh.
>
> My Serling drafts survived the basement Floyd flood. And I have
> Serling's unused Episode One POTA script, to answer a question from a
> while back.
>
> jameshburns@... wrote:
> >
> > philip nobile <pjn120-@...> wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=603
> > > renaissance29@... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At the very end of "Planet", Taylor says to the young chimp,
> > Lucius,
> > > > "Never trust anyone over 30." Well, not only does this comment
> > date
> > > > the film to the rebellious 60's, it's also stupid since Taylor
> > himself
> > > > is well over 30. What's the deal here? Why did the filmakers put
> > this
> > > > in the film?
> > >
> > > POTA was a film of its time, and Taylor was being a wiseass, bemused
> > by
> > > Lucius' strangely familiar teen attitude.
> > >
> > > Watch Blade Runner recently? Something like 60% of all the companies
> > > you see signs for in the film are long out of business. So that's
> > dated
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask
> > me. Hey, wait-a-minute, Phl--I HAVE Han Solo's haircut...
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I just got this last night, and I don't recognize the uniform (black
with white stripes down the middle) from any of the films. I haven't
seen the TV show in 15-20 years, so was just wondering if that's where
they got this uniform from.

Also, if this uniform was from the TV show, was this the uniform that
most of the Gorilla soldier apes wore during the series? Thanks in
advance.

This sure is from the TV series - I believe there are 3 different ranks
which are recognised by 3 different "white stripe paint" patterns. Not all
tv series gorillas had this grafitti on them - the most junior in the Ranks
(and the good general) did not have these stripes.

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> Subject: [pota] Is the new 12" Gorilla Sergeant's uniform from the TV
> series?
>
>
>
> I just got this last night, and I don't recognize the uniform (black
> with white stripes down the middle) from any of the films. I haven't
> seen the TV show in 15-20 years, so was just wondering if that's where
> they got this uniform from.
>
> Also, if this uniform was from the TV show, was this the uniform that
> most of the Gorilla soldier apes wore during the series? Thanks in
> advance.
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>> And Luke and Han's haircuts date Star Wars pretty hard, if you ask
>me. Hey, wait-a-minute, Phl--I HAVE Han Solo's haircut...

well, 'nuff said, then!
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In the TV series and in the films, the head orangatang was Dr.Zaius
and the head gorilla was named Ursus (I think). Well, if you look at
the "official" timeline on the web, it states that the TV series took
place hundreds of years before the films (obviously, since in the TV
series humans could talk, and in the films the apes were shocked to
hear a human talk - the humans "devolved" in those intervening years...)

So, why do these two sets of apes (from different time periods) have
the same name? Were "Zaius" and "Ursus" names that were passed on from
father to son, and/or common ape names?

The gorilla from the T.V. series was Urko. I think the series' writers
simply
pulled the character of Zaius from the movies and dropped him into their

storyline. We may never know if it was intended to be the real Dr.
Zaius,
his ancestor or just a coincidence. If you'll notice, the timelines in
the movies
are goofed up as well. They were not known for their continuity...
However,
in defense of the writers, they probably didn't count on us using our
VCR's
to freeze-frame their mistakes 25 years later. Just like if you're to
watch an
old "Happy Days" rerun and say to yourself "Hey! I didn't know Richie
had an
older brother?!" That's T.V. for ya.

One interesting point from the pilot episode: Zaius does ask Urko,
"Have you
ever had a nightmare that won't go away?" (or something like that)
I've always taken that as subtle hint that Zaius had dealt with humans
before...

Have a good weekend guys


renaissance29@... wrote:

>
> In the TV series and in the films, the head orangatang was Dr.Zaius

and the head gorilla was named Ursus (I think). Well, if you look at
the "official" timeline on the web, it states that the TV series took
place hundreds of years before the films (obviously, since in the TV
series humans could talk, and in the films the apes were shocked to
hear a human talk - the humans "devolved" in those intervening years...)

So, why do these two sets of apes (from different time periods) have
the same name? Were "Zaius" and "Ursus" names that were passed on from
father to son, and/or common ape names?

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I'm not to sure as to why they had the same names, no doubt to boost the
T.V. series.
But on the grander scale it would be common for names to be pasted on from
generation to generation.
Which I'm sure is the case.

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To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 2:10 PM
Subject: [pota] Why are "Zaius" and "Ursus" the same names of apes who lived
hundreds of years apart?

>
>
> In the TV series and in the films, the head orangatang was Dr.Zaius
>and the head gorilla was named Ursus (I think). Well, if you look at
>the "official" timeline on the web, it states that the TV series took
>place hundreds of years before the films (obviously, since in the TV
>series humans could talk, and in the films the apes were shocked to
>hear a human talk - the humans "devolved" in those intervening years...)
>
> So, why do these two sets of apes (from different time periods) have
>the same name? Were "Zaius" and "Ursus" names that were passed on from
>father to son, and/or common ape names?
>
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In a message dated 10/29/99 3:31:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
renaissance29@... writes:

<<


In the TV series and in the films, the head orangatang was Dr.Zaius
and the head gorilla was named Ursus (I think). Well, if you look at
the "official" timeline on the web, it states that the TV series took
place hundreds of years before the films (obviously, since in the TV
series humans could talk, and in the films the apes were shocked to
hear a human talk - the humans "devolved" in those intervening years...)

So, why do these two sets of apes (from different time periods) have
the same name? Were "Zaius" and "Ursus" names that were passed on from
father to son, and/or common ape names?

>>

The TV seires was suppose to be the Mpovie timeline but changed because of
Caesar. However, they make Ursuss Urko because it was easier to say with the
monkey make up on it. THerefore I suggest that it was actually BEFORE the
movies, and that Dr Zaius was named after the great Apes ruler Zaius...

-Caesar

Observation #1. Zaius is never called 'Dr. Zaius' in the TV series.

Observation #2. All of the male apes from the time of the first two movies
have names that end in 'us' except Dr. Galen and the as yet unseen Dr. Milo.
All of the native female characters have names that end in 'a'.

Observation #3. In the TV series, the majority of male characters have
names that end in 'us', 'ar', or 'o' and most of the female characters have
names that end in 'a'. Galen and his parents are all exceptions to the
norm.

ABMAC

I just finished reading the novelization of "Conquest", and have many
questions about this chapter in the POTA saga (I haven't seen the movie
since 1982).

These are the questions I've got(and please note that I'm getting most
of my info. on dates from this website, which has a very detailed POTA
timeline that I'd recommend anyone interested to look at:
http://www.uran.net/sci_fi/apes/timeline.html" ):

* How do the Apes take over the world? Can't the military stop them?
Right after they took over the city in "Conquest", the military
should've been able to come in and blow them all away. Also, assuming
the military can't stop them for whatever reason (and that's a BIG
assumption), while I can see that they take over the one city, but how
does this Rebellion spread to cover the rest of the planet? Caesar can
only be in one place at one time, and since he's the only talking,
really intelligent ape at the time, how do the other apes get
organized? Also, according to the aforementioned timeline, the
rebellion spreads in a year, which isn't that long, when you consider
much of the planet is taken over.

* There are ten years between "Conquest" and "Battle" - "Conquest"
takes place in 1991 and "Battle" in 2001. The apes are non-speaking in
"Conquest", yet can speak English well in "Battle". How did this
happen? Caesar could've taught some of them, but, as I mentioned
before, he wasn't everywhere. Also, it's shown in POTA and BTPOTA that
ALL of the apes can talk - did the apes just learn this by example?

* How do the apes grow so much in intelligence in these ten years? In
"Conquest" they were shown to be fairly stupid, with Caesar being the
exception. So they gained all of this intelligence and speech in ten
years? There's NO implication that the nuclear war/radiation had
anything to do with changing the apes (they were already bigger than
humans before the nuclear war; see my previous genetic breeding theory
post)....

* Does the nuclear war that takes place in 1992 have anything to do
with the ape rebellion?

Sorry about the long post, but these apes movies can be very
confusing. Thanks in advance for any responses you all may have...I
really value others' opinions/expertise on POTA, since I only just
recently got interested in the saga...

Anyone know? Thanks.

steve temple <steven.templ-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=621

> The gorilla from the T.V. series was Urko. I think the series'

writers

> simply
> pulled the character of Zaius from the movies and dropped him into

their

>
> storyline. We may never know if it was intended to be the real Dr.
> Zaius,
> his ancestor or just a coincidence. If you'll notice, the timelines

in

> the movies
> are goofed up as well. They were not known for their continuity...
> However,
> in defense of the writers, they probably didn't count on us using our
> VCR's
> to freeze-frame their mistakes 25 years later. Just like if you're to
> watch an
> old "Happy Days" rerun and say to yourself "Hey! I didn't know Richie
> had an
> older brother?!" That's T.V. for ya.
>
> One interesting point from the pilot episode: Zaius does ask Urko,
> "Have you
> ever had a nightmare that won't go away?" (or something like that)
> I've always taken that as subtle hint that Zaius had dealt with humans
> before...
>
> Have a good weekend guys
>
>
> renaissance29@... wrote:
>
> >
> > In the TV series and in the films, the head orangatang was

Dr.Zaius

> and the head gorilla was named Ursus (I think). Well, if you look

at

> the "official" timeline on the web, it states that the TV series

took

> place hundreds of years before the films (obviously, since in the TV
> series humans could talk, and in the films the apes were shocked to
> hear a human talk - the humans "devolved" in those intervening

years...)

>
> So, why do these two sets of apes (from different time periods)

have

> the same name? Were "Zaius" and "Ursus" names that were passed on

from

> father to son, and/or common ape names?
>

JIM BURNS WROTE:

I haven't read the theorized time-lines on the various POTA WEB-SITES,
but, for twenty-five years, I've always figured that since the movies
took place in New York, and the TV series in Califoria--that was ALL
the explanation you needed, for the differing cultures, between the two
milieus (I also thought it was clever of the writers--
perhaps the only clever thing they did on the teleseries' format--to
come up with such a simple device to clear up
any continuity flaws between the films and TV show.) In other words,
as a kid, I believed that if the characters from the TV show could
somehow fly over to Staten Island/Manhattan, they'd find TAYLOR AND
COMPANY, or at least the same civilization, TAYLOR encountered, or the
altered version of that civilization, depending on whether you believe
that Zira, Cornelius, and Milo "changed" "history..." (You know, I'm
sounding way too anal, here...) Zaius, once the name was used in the
TV show, I just always assumed was a common orangutan name...You know,
like "Burns." JIM BURNS/10-30-99 (HAPPY HALLOWEEN!)

Steve Temple <steven.temple@...> wrote:

>One interesting point from the pilot episode: Zaius does ask Urko,
>"Have you
>ever had a nightmare that won't go away?" (or something like that)
>I've always taken that as subtle hint that Zaius had dealt with humans
>before...

I think it was explicitly stated that there had been others before, wasn't
it? I think (may be wrong, been a wee while since I watched the pilot) that
Zaius admits this to somebody in private - can't remember if it was Galen,
Virdon, or Urko.

Alan

JIM BURNS:Quite clearly, Ceasar enrolled all the apes,in Montessori
Schools...

JIM BURNS:

Look, I'm bummed, because it's Halloween eve, I'm stuck home with the
flu, and AMC is runnng a crappy Godzilla festival...

So, I hereby attempt to initiate a new tradition on these pages, "BAD
MONKEY JOKES...":



Forty years ago,

Did the first monkey in space,

Experience,



ZIRA-gravity?

PLEASE... Go practice for trick-or-treating!!!!
LOL :-)





jameshburns@... wrote:

> JIM BURNS:
>
> Look, I'm bummed, because it's Halloween eve, I'm stuck home with the
> flu, and AMC is runnng a crappy Godzilla festival...
>
> So, I hereby attempt to initiate a new tradition on these pages, "BAD
> MONKEY JOKES...":
>
> Forty years ago,
>
> Did the first monkey in space,
>
> Experience,
>
> ZIRA-gravity?
>
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> I haven't read the theorized time-lines on the various

POTA WEB-SITES,

> but, for twenty-five years, I've always figured that

since the movies

> took place in New York, and the TV series in

Califoria--that was ALL

> the explanation you needed, for the differing cultures,

between the two

> milieus (I also thought it was clever of the writers--
> perhaps the only clever thing they did on the

teleseries' format--to

> come up with such a simple device to clear up
> any continuity flaws between the films and TV show.) In

other words,

> as a kid, I believed that if the characters from the TV

show could

> somehow fly over to Staten Island/Manhattan, they'd find

TAYLOR AND

> COMPANY, or at least the same civilization, TAYLOR

encountered, or the

> altered version of that civilization, depending on

whether you believe

> that Zira, Cornelius, and Milo "changed" "history..."

(You know, I'm

> sounding way too anal, here...) Zaius, once the name

was used in the

> TV show, I just always assumed was a common orangutan

name...You know,

> like "Burns." JIM BURNS/10-30-99 (HAPPY HALLOWEEN!)

Could somebody tell me the year Taylor landed his spacecraft. Thanks.

Chris

3976 according to the original film, 3955 according to the sequels.

Alan

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To: jameshburns@... <jameshburns@...>; pota@egroups.com
<pota@egroups.com>
Date: 04 November 1999 20:21
Subject: [pota] Re: Zaius/Ursus

>Could somebody tell me the year Taylor landed his spacecraft. Thanks.
>
>Chris
>
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3978, to be precise. 3955 in Beneath, and Zira claimed Taylor's ticker said
3955 in Escape (was she confused about which ship she was in?? The mystery
deepens . . . )

>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
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>Subject: [pota] Re: Zaius/Ursus
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:48:41 -0000
>
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Thanks for the speedy answer.
Sincerely,
Chris

Hey everyone,

I just wanted to tell you all about something I found amusing. I just
started doing this new thing on-line, where you get paid to have ads on your
computer. Anyways, I was on the web, when all of a sudden an ad flashed up
for something to do with POTA. It came and left too quick for me to be able
to tell what exactly it was. If anyone else has the service, let me/us know
what it was advertising!
About what the service actually is, and how it works, for those fo you
who care, is really cool. Basically, the way it works is, you go to this
company's website, and sign up. Then you just got to download this little
program which can open a banner of advertisements up on the bottom of your
computer. Basically, the more you have the ads banner running, the more
money you make. They send you a check in the mail and everything; it's
totally legite, not bullshit or a scam like it might sound. You also can
make money on the amount of time the people you refer are on, and people
they refer are on, etc.... translating into big bucks. I don't want to go
into anymore detail on all this, considering there's probably a lot of POTA
fans who don't give a crap, but it's a really cool thing, and a really easy
way to make some cash with surfing up POTA trivia. If anyone wants to know
more or anything, e-mail me, and I'll fill you in on the rest of the
details, so the rest of the group doesn't have to hear it if they don't want
to. Well, hope somebody else out there can find that POTA ad besides me (so
I know I'm not just obsessed)!


Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

______________________________________________________

Kindly stop using this POTA's email list as a method for you to solicite
your newbie internet schemes to people. This is SPAM, even though you
try to hide it as being POTA's related. In short: GET LOST.



Ross T. wrote:

>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I just wanted to tell you all about something I found amusing. I just
> started doing this new thing on-line, where you get paid to have ads on your
> computer. Anyways, I was on the web, when all of a sudden an ad flashed up
> for something to do with POTA. It came and left too quick for me to be able
> to tell what exactly it was. If anyone else has the service, let me/us know
> what it was advertising!
> About what the service actually is, and how it works, for those fo you
> who care, is really cool. Basically, the way it works is, you go to this
> company's website, and sign up. Then you just got to download this little
> program which can open a banner of advertisements up on the bottom of your
> computer. Basically, the more you have the ads banner running, the more
> money you make. They send you a check in the mail and everything; it's
> totally legite, not bullshit or a scam like it might sound. You also can
> make money on the amount of time the people you refer are on, and people
> they refer are on, etc.... translating into big bucks. I don't want to go
> into anymore detail on all this, considering there's probably a lot of POTA
> fans who don't give a crap, but it's a really cool thing, and a really easy
> way to make some cash with surfing up POTA trivia. If anyone wants to know
> more or anything, e-mail me, and I'll fill you in on the rest of the
> details, so the rest of the group doesn't have to hear it if they don't want
> to. Well, hope somebody else out there can find that POTA ad besides me (so
> I know I'm not just obsessed)!
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
>
>

.html Bravo Mr 90-CORVETTE!
 

90-CORVETTE wrote:

Kindly stop using this POTA's email list as a method for you to solicite
your newbie internet schemes to people.  This is SPAM, even though you
try to hide it as being POTA's related.  In short:  GET LOST.

Ross T. wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
>     I just wanted to tell you all about something I found amusing.  I just
> started doing this new thing on-line, where you get paid to have ads on your
> computer.  Anyways, I was on the web, when all of a sudden an ad flashed up
> for something to do with POTA.  It came and left too quick for me to be able
> to tell what exactly it was.  If anyone else has the service, let me/us know
> what it was advertising!
>      About what the service actually is, and how it works, for those fo you
> who care, is really cool.  Basically, the way it works is, you go to this
> company's website, and sign up.  Then you just got to download this little
> program which can open a banner of advertisements up on the bottom of your
> computer.  Basically, the more you have the ads banner running, the more
> money you make.  They send you a check in the mail and everything; it's
> totally legite, not bullshit or a scam like it might sound.  You also can
> make money on the amount of time the people you refer are on, and people
> they refer are on, etc....  translating into big bucks.  I don't want to go
> into anymore detail on all this, considering there's probably a lot of POTA
> fans who don't give a crap, but it's a really cool thing, and a really easy
> way to make some cash with surfing up POTA trivia.  If anyone wants to know
> more or anything, e-mail me, and I'll fill you in on the rest of the
> details, so the rest of the group doesn't have to hear it if they don't want
> to.  Well, hope somebody else out there can find that POTA ad besides me (so
> I know I'm not just obsessed)!
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
>
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I'm sorry,

I didn't mean to offend anybody. I see your point though, I guess it
can be considered spamming. I'll stay away from e-mailing things that can
be considered spamming. Sorry for the inconvience everyone!




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

______________________________________________________

I have all of the new 7" POTA figures and 1 new 12" figure (Gorilla
Seargant - I'm still looking for the 12" Taylor), and I have to say
that I like these toys. I don't think they look that bad, and am
surprised at the criticisms that POTA fans have leveled against these
figures. No matter what, they do look much better than the 8" Mego
dolls from the '70s'....

I agree - but I am always so happy to see new Planet of the Apes merchandise
and I live in hope that we will never see anything as poor as the rubbish
figures made by the Commonwealth Toy Co. and the Rubber Danglers.

However, I must say the new Medi Com toys KICK ASS!!

Follow the below link for a peek.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/Newfigures.jpg

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: renaissance29@... [renaissance29@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 13 November 1999 3:44
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Who out there actually LIKES the new 12" and 7" POTA
> figures?
>
>
>
> I have all of the new 7" POTA figures and 1 new 12" figure (Gorilla
> Seargant - I'm still looking for the 12" Taylor), and I have to say
> that I like these toys. I don't think they look that bad, and am
> surprised at the criticisms that POTA fans have leveled against these
> figures. No matter what, they do look much better than the 8" Mego
> dolls from the '70s'....
>
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Well, I just got the Taylor 7 inch. doll the other day, I think it's the
best one of all. And I too am looking for the 12 Taylor doll.
Out of POTA Taylor rules!
I can relate to this person, for everytime I come across stupid people
in life, I myself feel like I'm on the PLANET OF THE APES.

hehehe!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: renaissance29@... <renaissance29@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:51 PM
Subject: [pota] Who out there actually LIKES the new 12" and 7" POTA
figures?

>
> I have all of the new 7" POTA figures and 1 new 12" figure (Gorilla
>Seargant - I'm still looking for the 12" Taylor), and I have to say
>that I like these toys. I don't think they look that bad, and am
>surprised at the criticisms that POTA fans have leveled against these
>figures. No matter what, they do look much better than the 8" Mego
>dolls from the '70s'....
>
>
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Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>However, I must say the new Medi Com toys KICK ASS!!

Hard to tell exactly what the gorilla looks like, but that Cornelius figure
is AMAZING. I take it these will be a bit pricey?

Alan

Not sure - can anyone translate Japanese?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 13 November 1999 23:24
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Who out there actually LIKES the new 12" and 7" POTA
> figures?
>
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> >However, I must say the new Medi Com toys KICK ASS!!
>
>
> Hard to tell exactly what the gorilla looks like, but that
> Cornelius figure
> is AMAZING. I take it these will be a bit pricey?
>
> Alan
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Michael..not able to access that link to see the new figured

When are these figures available.....Are the for sale in Japan yet? Thanks Rob

renaissance29@... wrote:

> I have all of the new 7" POTA figures and 1 new 12" figure (Gorilla
> Seargant - I'm still looking for the 12" Taylor), and I have to say
> that I like these toys. I don't think they look that bad, and am
> surprised at the criticisms that POTA fans have leveled against these
> figures. No matter what, they do look much better than the 8" Mego
> dolls from the '70s'....

I have all the 12" and all the 7" and somewhat agree... I am pleased
that they exist, though I feel they could have been made MUCH
better. I'm pleased to have ANYTHING though, since I'm surprised
anyone even felt there'd be a market at all. I was amazed when the
trading cards came out a year or so ago... Let's hope that toy makers
continue to honor the Apes with products.

90

> Let's hope that toy makers
> continue to honor the Apes with products.

With an "honor" like that . . .

You could make a case for the 12" figures, which were all majorly
screwed up anyway, but to suggest that those crappy 7" things were
superior the Mego sculpts made me laugh out loud. Some were better than
others, but compare the two Zaius heads. A crying shame.

>
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Medicom Apes are listed at $39 each. And they're 8".

Philip Nobile wrote:

> > Let's hope that toy makers
> > continue to honor the Apes with products.
>
> With an "honor" like that . . .
>
> You could make a case for the 12" figures, which were all majorly
> screwed up anyway, but to suggest that those crappy 7" things were
> superior the Mego sculpts made me laugh out loud. Some were better than
> others, but compare the two Zaius heads. A crying shame.

In all due respect, they could have created NOTHING, right?

No, I'll accept the best they can do as better then nothing. I'm
not sending them any awards, but I'm also a bit of a realist. Dreamers
can hope for more, but I'll take whatever they've got. A crying
shame, but... I'm not crying. Everything can't be made, after all,
by McFarlane (I wish it was!) - LOL

Yes indeed, this was the best they could do to honor a set of movies
that are certainly not very current... I'm happy they did anything at
all. Face life head-on, cause the blinders only cause confusion!

Best,
90

> In all due respect, they could have created NOTHING, right?

Which is exactly what I chose over those ugly ass 7" figures. I bought
the 12" and tried to fix them, but those 7" figures are beyond help.
Cornelius looks like he's regressed and smeared feces all over himself.

> No, I'll accept the best they can do as better then nothing.

My problem with that is that if you look at most other Hasbro product,
it's clear that this wasn't "the best they can do".

> Yes indeed, this was the best they could do to honor a set of movies
> that are certainly not very current...

See the Star Wars aisle, specifically. They seemed eager and willing to
break out the big guns for that 20 yeard old Fox flick. I know there's
a bigger market, but could it have been THAT tough to put them in the
correct color clothes? For instance, 12" Zaius: Is pink and mustard
colored fabric cheaper than orange and brown?

> I'm happy they did anything at
> all. Face life head-on, cause the blinders only cause confusion!

I think I did. I clearly saw that I wasn't spending close to $50 on
crap.


Just my opinion -

Phil

Philip Nobile wrote:

> smeared feces all over himself.

Oh my! Eww... That's nasty.

> > Yes indeed, this was the best they could do to honor a set of movies
> > that are certainly not very current...
>
> See the Star Wars aisle, specifically. They seemed eager and willing to
> break out the big guns for that 20 yeard old Fox flick.

Star Wars just had a recent release... did you miss it? It wasn't
very good... it was just a giant advertisement for Star Wars merchandise
and toys. I wish they'd release a new APES film - it would force them
to put out some better merchandise. IT IS AMAZING THEY PUT
OUT ANYTHING AT ALL..!

> > I'm happy they did anything at
> > all. Face life head-on, cause the blinders only cause confusion!
>
> I think I did. I clearly saw that I wasn't spending close to $50 on
> crap.

$50? Yikes. I went to Toys R' Us and got them for under
five bucks each... I felt they were worth it, but wasn't really
that concerned over the cost. Fifty isn't a whole lot any ways
in the scheme of things today. I'd work an hour for those
figures, any day!

> Just my opinion -
>

Likewise. Hope these don't appear to be "flames," because
I enjoy many of your postings. Have a great one, Phil.

90

Philip Nobile wrote:

> > ..... I bought
> the 12" and tried to fix them, but those 7" figures are beyond help.
> Cornelius looks like he's regressed and smeared feces all over himself.

I have to agree with ol' Phil on this one. I was in Toys R Us yesterday
picking up the new McFarlane Yellow Submarine characters and was just
shocked at the slap-happy paint jobs on the faces of the 7" APE figures. I
felt like buying one of the Cornelius' simply because it had the best
"splattered with dung" look yet. It almost seems like they TRIED to do a
bad job on this batch because they progressively got worse the deeper I dug
in the discount rack.

With the quality of the other figures (especially McFarlane's line)
displayed in the same isle, you would think Hasbro would've at least tried
to keep-up, rather than regress.

I don't get it.

Has anyone written to Hasbro to ask why there is no quality control on
these items?

Brian

Maybe, being a 60's (& early 70's) movie series, the only dudes Hasbro could
find to give colour and dung advise was tripping and seeing a dubious range
of colours - or maybe they got someone to watch the movies for the first
time on video and this person said "with such amazingly poor continuity and
inconsistencies in the plot, maybe we need to be similarly slap-happy with
our figures".

Maybe they added authenticity by exposing the sculpts to "Alpha-Omega"
radiation (or maybe detonation?).

Phil, I agree the Mego Zaius head was a good one - but what was he WEARING?
The smaller Hasbros at least get the attire right. I'm not even going to
begin comparing the Taylors...Mego just lose outright. But I'm sure we all
have to agree - GO MEDI-COM!!!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dumont [afryt4u@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 13 November 1999 22:13
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Who out there actually LIKES the new 12" and
> 7"POTAfigures?
>
>
>
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > > ..... I bought
> > the 12" and tried to fix them, but those 7" figures are beyond help.
> > Cornelius looks like he's regressed and smeared feces all over himself.
>
> I have to agree with ol' Phil on this one. I was in Toys R Us yesterday
> picking up the new McFarlane Yellow Submarine characters and was just
> shocked at the slap-happy paint jobs on the faces of the 7" APE
> figures. I
> felt like buying one of the Cornelius' simply because it had the best
> "splattered with dung" look yet. It almost seems like they TRIED to do a
> bad job on this batch because they progressively got worse the
> deeper I dug
> in the discount rack.
>
> With the quality of the other figures (especially McFarlane's line)
> displayed in the same isle, you would think Hasbro would've at least tried
> to keep-up, rather than regress.
>
> I don't get it.
>
> Has anyone written to Hasbro to ask why there is no quality control on
> these items?
>
> Brian
>
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I believe the Medicom figures will be available in January.

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>
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Michael Whitty wrote:

 
Phil, I agree the Mego Zaius head was a good one - but what was he WEARING?
The smaller Hasbros at least get the attire right.  I'm not even going to
begin comparing the Taylors...Mego just lose outright.  But I'm sure we all
have to agree - GO MEDI-COM!!!

Michael

I think I can answer this one.  Anybody watched the old and terrible BAD cartoon series lately?   I watched three episodes today (gritting my teeth and wincing at the Peter Lorre and Boris Karloff voices) but I did notice that the costumes were the same color schemes as the Mego dolls.  White for Zaius, yellow and lavender for Urko.

Does art imitate nature (toys), or vise versa?

Brian

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90-CORVETTE wrote:

> Star Wars just had a recent release... did you miss it?

I'm referring to the wave of new Star Wars toys released in 1995.

> IT IS AMAZING THEY PUT
> OUT ANYTHING AT ALL..!

The IDEA is amazing. The execution was piss-poor.

> $50? Yikes. I went to Toys R' Us and got them for under
> five bucks each...

I think they're 7.99 at my area stores. So, 40 plus tax. My bad.

> I felt they were worth it, but wasn't really
> that concerned over the cost. Fifty isn't a whole lot any ways
> in the scheme of things today. I'd work an hour for those
> figures, any day!

And you're entitled. BUT - if you simply LOVED the figures, that's one
thing, but a lot of what I hear is closer in tone to "I'm glad they made
ANYTHING", and that sends a message to the merchandising folks that they
don't have to try at all, because people will buy anything with the
Planet of the Apes logo on it. Which is what I suspect drove the release
of those 7" figures. Damn shame.

> Likewise. Hope these don't appear to be "flames," because
> I enjoy many of your postings. Have a great one, Phil.

Same here. Nothing wrong with a civil debate. We're all still pals.

Philip Nobile wrote:

> I'm referring to the wave of new Star Wars toys released in 1995.

I'm convinced that the only think on Lucas' mind with the new
Star Wars is "How many toys can I make and sell from this?"
They have entire toy sections in the stores dedicated to that stuff!

> > IT IS AMAZING THEY PUT
> > OUT ANYTHING AT ALL..!
>
> The IDEA is amazing. The execution was piss-poor.

Truth to that... Yet it's still amazing they did anything at all. Someone
mentioned a lack of Quality Control -- as a Director of Quality for
a large manufacturing firm myself, I personally don't see this having
anything to do with QA -- more with the design and engineering.
Maybe my figures just happened to be the choice of the litter... I am
not thrilled with the likenesses, but did not find any defects on them.
Mine are flawless, it's the design that is a little lacking.

> > $50? Yikes. I went to Toys R' Us and got them for under
> > five bucks each...
>
> I think they're 7.99 at my area stores. So, 40 plus tax. My bad.
>

They were $4.99 or something on that order at my Toys R' Us. I
collect Action Figures so am aware of the low quality in design on
these, but I really don't think they're all as bad as everyone is implying.
They are NOT McFarlane... but then what is? I still have to stand
by the fact that I'm not all that unpleased with these figures. The 12"
ones are not that bad either.

> And you're entitled. BUT - if you simply LOVED the figures, that's one
> thing,

I'm very pleased with them. They could be better, but I was excited
to bring them home. My little boys went APE over them!

> > Likewise. Hope these don't appear to be "flames," because
> > I enjoy many of your postings. Have a great one, Phil.
>
> Same here. Nothing wrong with a civil debate. We're all still pals.

"We need GUNS!"
Take it easy, Phil. :-)

90

90-CORVETTE wrote:

>
> They are NOT McFarlane... but then what is?

We're starting to veer off topic, but if you want to see an example of
movie characters done PROPERLY, check out Sideshow's Universal Monsters
line:

http://www.sideshowinc.com/monsters.html"

http://www.sideshowinc.com/monsters2.html"

As detailed as McFarlane's stuff, and more articulated to boot!
Everytime I see those 7" Apes, I wish Sideshow had the license instead.

Philip Nobile wrote:

> 90-CORVETTE wrote:
> >
> > They are NOT McFarlane... but then what is?
>
> We're starting to veer off topic, but if you want to see an example of
> movie characters done PROPERLY, check out Sideshow's Universal Monsters
> line:

Argh. Topic is correct, but arguing over some POTA's figures
is pointless. It won't make them any better or any worse. I'm
pleased with them. Of course they could be better. Look in
most people's driveways today... if complaining about poor
quality is the issue, there's the place to start. The figures occupy
an entire shelf in quite a large collection, and I'm pleased enough.
Nuff said. Take it easy, Phil!

90

I thought it was nice to see new figures on the market, but I have to
agree that
Hasbro hasn't exactly impressed me with the quality of the 7" line or
the 12" line.
I've taken my complaints straight to Hasbro and e-mailed them about both
lines...

Will they listen? Who knows, but it's like the old saying "The sqeaky
wheel gets
the grease." I went ahead and picked up the figures for my personal
collection and
the ones I'm not happy with, I'm repainting, converting, etc. I have to
make a comment
on the Hasbro vs. Mego line though... In Mego's defense, I think they
did a great job
for having made those figures in the 70's. Hasbro had a 25 year
advantage when they
came out with the new 7" line and they blew it. Look at the Mego's:
You can pose them,
they have real clothes, and they bear a better likeness to their
characters. The only
exception of course is the generic astronaut (but I blame that one on
Heston).

Check out the Mego museum and look at Phil's converted Megos. These
figures still
hold to a better design standard than what Hasbro is putting out now.
Maybe this is why
"The Ultimate Soldier" stuff is starting to hurt Hasbro's G.I. Joe
business as well.

Steve

90-CORVETTE wrote:

>
> Philip Nobile wrote:

> 90-CORVETTE wrote:
> >
> > They are NOT McFarlane... but then what is?
>
> We're starting to veer off topic, but if you want to see an example of
> movie characters done PROPERLY, check out Sideshow's Universal Monsters
> line:

Argh. Topic is correct, but arguing over some POTA's figures
is pointless. It won't make them any better or any worse. I'm
pleased with them. Of course they could be better. Look in
most people's driveways today... if complaining about poor
quality is the issue, there's the place to start. The figures occupy
an entire shelf in quite a large collection, and I'm pleased enough.
Nuff said. Take it easy, Phil!

90

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Excellent! I've been saying all along that we should start writing letters to
Hasbro. How about the rest of you folks?

I spoke with the Hasbro reps in person (or rather in APE persona while we were
working a trade show as apes) and I let them know as well and even suggested
to them that maybe they checkout the Planet of the Apes webgroup so they can
read for themselves what fans think of their product. The packaging is great,
but they missed the mark on the figures and that's a shame. The technology is
available to do excellent toys. Hasbro should at least try.

Brian Penikas
apemania.com

Steve Temple wrote:

> I thought it was nice to see new figures on the market, but I have to
> agree that
> Hasbro hasn't exactly impressed me with the quality of the 7" line or
> the 12" line.
> I've taken my complaints straight to Hasbro and e-mailed them about both
> lines...
>
> Will they listen? Who knows, but it's like the old saying "The sqeaky
> wheel gets
> the grease."

Well, it's not actually an Ape, but Series star James Naughton was on last
night's episode of Alley McBeal (Fox, 9pm eastern and pacific). he will
also be on Next Week. He looks the same as in the Behind The Planet of the
Apes documentary: a respectable man in his fifties. Not the rough and
smartass he once was, but older and more sensitive.

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This whole argument is irrelevant if Hasbro doesn't make any more
POTA figures. I hope they do, and I don't think the ones that are out
there are that bad. They look just as good as some of the current SW
figures. Keep in mind that, even though McFarlane figures LOOK good,
the quality control on them is horrible, and they all have a tendency
to break. I myself have bought several McFarlane toys, and they have
all, without exception, broken when I took them out of the package (one
figure's head broke off when it fell on the floor)! At least the POTA
figures are more durable.

As far as future POTA figures go, like I mentioned, if the present
figures don't sell it's doubtful they'll make any more. It's good for
fans to voice their opinions to Hasbro if they don't like the way the
toys look, but I also think that the line should be supported by fans
who don't think they look TOO horrible. I had read on the 'Net
recently that Hasbro was looking into the possibility of making a 7"
Nova and 7" General Ursus, as well as a 12" Human Mutant (presumably
from Beneath), a 12" Cornelius in space suit (from Escape), and a 12"
Zira in space suit. Even if these figures looked like the current
figures do, I would still get them. I've been wanting a human mutant
for a long time...

And, remember, no matter how much you don't like the figures, you
have to admit even the 7" ones look better than the 8" megos from the
'70's!

brian dumont <afryt4-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=663

> Excellent! I've been saying all along that we should start writing

letters to

> Hasbro. How about the rest of you folks?
>
> I spoke with the Hasbro reps in person (or rather in APE persona

while we were

> working a trade show as apes) and I let them know as well and even

suggested

> to them that maybe they checkout the Planet of the Apes webgroup so

they can

> read for themselves what fans think of their product. The packaging

is great,

> but they missed the mark on the figures and that's a shame. The

technology is

> available to do excellent toys. Hasbro should at least try.
>
> Brian Penikas
> apemania.com
>
> Steve Temple wrote:
>
> > I thought it was nice to see new figures on the market, but I have

to

> > agree that
> > Hasbro hasn't exactly impressed me with the quality of the 7" line

or

> > the 12" line.
> > I've taken my complaints straight to Hasbro and e-mailed them about

both

> > lines...
> >
> > Will they listen? Who knows, but it's like the old saying "The

sqeaky

> > wheel gets
> > the grease."
>

I think Hasbro will continue the line for at least one more set of figures.
They've made their money, even if the retail stores end up placing the
figures in the discount bins. I have to disagree that the latest POTA line
looks as good as the current Star Wars line. If they can get Jar-Jar Binks
and Darth Maul to look pretty good, this same company needs to get
Cornelius and the other apes right. If they do come out with the Zira and
Cornelius figures in the space suits, expect to see the same molds used
again, but this time they'll probably use Buzz Aldrin's spacesuit from
the G.I.
Joe lineup. As far as the Mego's are concerned, compare 8" Cornelius to the
new 7" Cornelius. Just my opinion though...Thanks.

renaissance29@... wrote:

>
> This whole argument is irrelevant if Hasbro doesn't make any more
> POTA figures. I hope they do, and I don't think the ones that are out
> there are that bad. They look just as good as some of the current SW
> figures. Keep in mind that, even though McFarlane figures LOOK good,
> the quality control on them is horrible, and they all have a tendency
> to break. I myself have bought several McFarlane toys, and they have
> all, without exception, broken when I took them out of the package (one
> figure's head broke off when it fell on the floor)! At least the POTA
> figures are more durable.
>
> As far as future POTA figures go, like I mentioned, if the present
> figures don't sell it's doubtful they'll make any more. It's good for
> fans to voice their opinions to Hasbro if they don't like the way the
> toys look, but I also think that the line should be supported by fans
> who don't think they look TOO horrible. I had read on the 'Net
> recently that Hasbro was looking into the possibility of making a 7"
> Nova and 7" General Ursus, as well as a 12" Human Mutant (presumably
> from Beneath), a 12" Cornelius in space suit (from Escape), and a 12"
> Zira in space suit. Even if these figures looked like the current
> figures do, I would still get them. I've been wanting a human mutant
> for a long time...
>
> And, remember, no matter how much you don't like the figures, you
> have to admit even the 7" ones look better than the 8" megos from the
> '70's!
>
> brian dumont <afryt4-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=663
> > Excellent! I've been saying all along that we should start writing
> letters to
> > Hasbro. How about the rest of you folks?
> >
> > I spoke with the Hasbro reps in person (or rather in APE persona
> while we were
> > working a trade show as apes) and I let them know as well and even
> suggested
> > to them that maybe they checkout the Planet of the Apes webgroup so
> they can
> > read for themselves what fans think of their product. The packaging
> is great,
> > but they missed the mark on the figures and that's a shame. The
> technology is
> > available to do excellent toys. Hasbro should at least try.
> >
> > Brian Penikas
> > apemania.com
> >
> > Steve Temple wrote:
> >
> > > I thought it was nice to see new figures on the market, but I have
> to
> > > agree that
> > > Hasbro hasn't exactly impressed me with the quality of the 7" line
> or
> > > the 12" line.
> > > I've taken my complaints straight to Hasbro and e-mailed them about
> both
> > > lines...
> > >
> > > Will they listen? Who knows, but it's like the old saying "The
> sqeaky
> > > wheel gets
> > > the grease."
> >
>
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<<And, remember, no matter how much you don't like the figures, you
have to admit even the 7" ones look better than the 8" megos from
the'70's!>>

I'd like to invite folks to revisit those oft-maligned Mego Apes at
www.toymania.com/megomuseum/ and look at the head sculpts of Cornelius and
Zaius (yes, I know Mego screwed up the Soldier Ape and Ursus sculpts. But
let's talk about the two main characters). How can you look at the Hasbro
7" sculpts and think they're BETTER than these, let alone any good at all?
I'm not trying to pick a fight - I really want to understand that sentiment.
Because it baffles me. Mego's Zaius and Cornelius are pretty accurate
sculpts, especially compared to the new 7" figures. And please don't switch
gears and say "At least they're making SOMETHING!!", or start defending the
12" line. Stay focused. I want to understand the statement quoted at the
top of this message. I really don't get it.

Love,

Phil

______________________________________________________

Philip wrote:

>I'd like to invite folks to revisit those oft-maligned Mego Apes at
>www.toymania.com/megomuseum/ and look at the head sculpts of Cornelius and
>Zaius

Well, I didn't get as far as that web site but I did dig out the two Zaius
figures from my collection. You're right about the head sculpts. The old
Mego one is far better. The new ones have a (sort of) advantage in that they
have more colour on them - unfortunately this advantage was rendered
completely irrelevant by Hasbro making such a crap job of the colour
selection.

Alan

Since there seems to be loads of pre-production sketches and paintings for
the original film, wouldn't it make a nice idea if some company was to
collect them together in a nice big glossy book? (Even the original ideas,
shown in the documentary, of a more high-tech ape society)

That's one item I'd like to see.

Alan

Moving away from the toys at the moment, another recent release was the
series of trading cards. What did you all think of them?

I think this is one item which, unlike the figures, Fox (or rather Inkworks)
got absolutely right. The basic set and the chase cards are nice. I believe
there was a binder too, though I haven't seen it anywhere.

Alan

I liked the new cards quite a bit. I was able to buy a complete set online
for $10!

>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: "Apes List" <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] Trading cards
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:42:21 -0000
>
><< text1.html>>

______________________________________________________

In the interest of provoking discussion, thought I'd post this (James Burns
and old time list members can delete).

Is anyone out there familiar with the longer version of BATTLE, contained in
the Japanese laserdisc boxed set? I was surprised to discover it's about
ten minutes longer than the familiar US cut, and although much of it is
filler, there's a significant subplot that's gone.

Basically any scene involving traveling, chasing or pursuing is longer. The
bit where Aldo chases the teacher seems to go on forever, and now looks like
a lame ass attempt to evoke the scene where Taylor is trying to escape from
Ape City. Similarly, the trek to the Forbidden City by Caesar, MacDonald,
and Virgil seems to be going for a poor man's version of Taylor's trip
across the Zone.

The conversation between Caesar and MacDonald immediately following the
teacher's chase is a little longer.

While going to the archives, Caesar and Virgil stop and MacDonald asks
what's up. Caesar: "Do you smell them, Virgil?" Virgil: "Yes, but
different. Not like the humans in our village." Kolp spends a bit more
time watching them on the monitor. The chase after Virgil blows the shit
out of the security camera is longer.

Nothing is significantly longer after this until Kolp is about to leave for
Ape City. He pulls his Asian chppy into this back room and shows her a bomb
- the Alpha Omega Bomb from Beneath! He then tells her that if he doesn't
return, to point the bomb at Ape City and turn it into monkey paste (I'm
paraphrasing). Right before the titular Battle, Kolp radios a fellow
mutant and says, "If fate doesn't smile upon us, send the message."

I need to check the US version, but Aldo ambushing the school bus seems
longer. They knock out the windows and spend a long time emptying their
rifles into the bus. One poor muatnt runs out and heads for cover inside
this little lean-to, and Aldo throws a grenade into it, blowing the fuck out
of the entire thing. I can see why they cut this scene.

Aldo then climbs on top of the bus and waves, like Miss America, at the
cheering gorillas who are chanting "Aldo, Aldo!"

The major extra scene comes right after Caesar lets the humans out of the
corral and has the little chat with the humans. Cut back to the Forbidden
City. Kolp's sidekick and the Asian girl (Alma? Velma?) are playing
checkers. A Mutant walks into the room and says "It's over!" The Asian girl
asks him how they made out, or something. "WE LOST!" he yells. "And the
governor?" she asks. He makes a 'ka-boom' gesture with his arms and
collapses on the ground. "Then I know what I must do," she says, and gets
up. She walks over to the bomb console and Kolp's sidekick pleads with to
stop. "This is the Alpha and Omega bomb. It will not only destroy the
apes, but the entire earth! We must keep it. Respect it! Venerate it,
even! For one of its ancestors made us what we are, and what we are, from
this day forward, shall be called 'beautiful'." Incidentally, his name is
Mendez - the leader of the Mutants in BENEATH was called Mendez, and one of
those busts that the Apes smash in Beneath is marked "Mendez XX".

More trivia - you know the "Lawgiver talking to the ape and human children"
wraparound bit? It was from an early draft of Beneath. Taylor and Brent
don't get killed, don't set off the bomb, and instead resolve to rebuild the
human race. Cut to the wraparound segment, with the lawgiver ape (who
stutters, for some reason) talking to the human and ape kids, preaching
harmony and peace, then cut to the ruins of New York, where a group of
mutant APES crawl from Beneath the rubble. One of them sees a dove flying
through the air, whips out a rifle and shoots it dead. The end.

______________________________________________________

Trading cards are awesome - except the selection for Autographs!!! I think
the characters they chose for these (other than Linda the 2 ladies) were
pretty lame......

Look out for the TV series set coming soon from Inkworks

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip *** [soylentphil@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 1999 6:14
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Trading cards
>
>
> I liked the new cards quite a bit. I was able to buy a complete
> set online
> for $10!
>
>
> >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: "Apes List" <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] Trading cards
> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:42:21 -0000
> >
> ><< text1.html>>
>
>

I agree. I think the cards were well done and I look forward to the
T.V. batch.
I'm also looking forward to the video game whenever it comes out.

Steve

Michael Whitty wrote:

>
> Trading cards are awesome - except the selection for Autographs!!! I think
> the characters they chose for these (other than Linda the 2 ladies) were
> pretty lame......
>
> Look out for the TV series set coming soon from Inkworks
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip *** [soylentphil@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 1999 6:14
> > To: pota@egroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Trading cards
> >
> >
> > I liked the new cards quite a bit. I was able to buy a complete
> > set online
> > for $10!
> >
> >
> > >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> > >To: "Apes List" <pota@egroups.com>
> > >Subject: [pota] Trading cards
> > >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:42:21 -0000
> > >
> > ><< text1.html>>
> >
> >

.html There actually has been recent talk about a "coffee table" book featuring the "Art of Planet of the Apes".  I know a few writers that are currently contemplating the project and were taling about ape-proaching Creeber and Trundy for input.  It sure would be great to see!

Brian

Alan Maxwell wrote:

Since there seems to be loads of pre-production sketches and paintings for
the original film, wouldn't it make a nice idea if some company was to
collect them together in a nice big glossy book? (Even the original ideas,
shown in the documentary, of a more high-tech ape society)

That's one item I'd like to see.

Alan

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I think I remember a at least some of all that "Battle For..." stuff being
posted a while back, right around the time I joined the group. I always
made the connection of Virgil, Ceaser, and the human symbolizing the trek of
Dodge, Landon and Taylor from the original. I think it's cool that
originally, the teacher's run was longer, making it symbolize Taylor's
attempt of escaping. Are there any other connections out there I'm missing?
Are there other "Battle" scenes that are suppose to symbolize scenes from
the original?





Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

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What does everyone think? If the 7" line continues, should they
concenrate more on the films until they make all of the conceivable
characters, or should the next wave (if there is a next wave) include
the characters from the TV show?

yeah, this would be cool. I'm a big fan of the "Art of SW" books,
and an Art of the POTA books would be great. I really like production
painting, sketches, and related artwork because it gives a lot of
insight into the proposed film sequences that didn't quite make the
cut...


brian dumont <afryt4-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=675

> There actually has been recent talk about a "coffee table" book

featuring the

> "Art of Planet of the Apes". I know a few writers that are currently
> contemplating the project and were taling about ape-proaching Creeber

and

> Trundy for input. It sure would be great to see!
>
> Brian
>
> Alan Maxwell wrote:
>
> > Since there seems to be loads of pre-production sketches and

paintings for

> > the original film, wouldn't it make a nice idea if some company was

to

> > collect them together in a nice big glossy book? (Even the original

ideas,

> > shown in the documentary, of a more high-tech ape society)
> >
> > That's one item I'd like to see.
> >
> > Alan
> >

Just a quick question to everyone,

Where is everyone from? You don't have to be real specific or
anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do. I was just
thinking and got a little curious. Thanks for all of you who reply!




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

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.html Sydney, Australia.

Ross T. wrote:

Just a quick question to everyone,

     Where is everyone from?  You don't have to be real specific or
anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do.  I was just
thinking and got a little curious.  Thanks for all of you who reply!

Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

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Brian
apeman@...
http://apemania.com

"Ross T." wrote:

Just a quick question to everyone,

     Where is everyone from?  You don't have to be real specific or
anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do.  I was just
thinking and got a little curious.  Thanks for all of you who reply!

Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

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Jackson, Mississippi
Not a big city, but it's the capital of the state.
And no, I'm not a redneck...although we do
have some apes down here that say "ya'll."

Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> We hail from just outside Ape City (Calabasas), California. Would the
> FOX ranch be considered Calabasa, or Malibu?
>
> Brian
> apeman@...
> http://apemania.com
>
> "Ross T." wrote:
>
> > Just a quick question to everyone,
> >
> > Where is everyone from? You don't have to be real specific or
> > anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do. I
> > was just
> > thinking and got a little curious. Thanks for all of you who reply!
> >
> > Ross (Dr. Milo)
> >
> > Smoothness is all....
> >
> >

Boston, Massachusetts

Miami, Florida.
Sun Shine State.

Alex

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To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 5:14 PM
Subject: [pota] Location

>Just a quick question to everyone,
>
> Where is everyone from? You don't have to be real specific or
>anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do. I was just
>thinking and got a little curious. Thanks for all of you who reply!
>
>
>
>
>Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>Smoothness is all....
>
>

Canberra, AUSTRALIA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross T. [smoothrt@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 20 November 1999 8:22
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Location
>
>
> Just a quick question to everyone,
>
> Where is everyone from? You don't have to be real specific or
> anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do.
> I was just
> thinking and got a little curious. Thanks for all of you who reply!
>
>
>
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
>
>

Rome, GA

(at the moment, Sewanee, TN at the University of the South)

Dunfermline, Scotland.
(Andrew Carnegie was born here - history lesson over)

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross T. <smoothrt@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: 19 November 1999 21:21
Subject: [pota] Location

>Just a quick question to everyone,
>
> Where is everyone from? You don't have to be real specific or
>anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do. I was just
>thinking and got a little curious. Thanks for all of you who reply!
>
>
>
>
>Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>Smoothness is all....
>
>

Philadelphia PA Thanks Rob

Mobile, Alabama.


PMilam, the lurker

the Forbidden Zone.....Donelson, TN ...er..Nashville

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Where is everyone from?  You don't have to be real specific or
anything, just a state and what major city you're near will do.  I was just
thinking and got a little curious.  Thanks for all of you who reply!

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Nobody replied to this email, when i posted last tuesday . . . so i wasn't
sure if:
a. it didn't actually get onto the list or
b. no body cared . . .

James Naughton (the dark haired one from the series) will be on tonight's
episode of Alley McBeal (Fox, 9pm est).


My Location: NYC


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Happy Thanksgiving to all Apefans everywhere!
Bring on the pumpkin pies!

Brian

.html Hey Gang,

Brian here again, from APEMANIA.COM.

For just about a year now, since the infestation of  the Kenner/Hasbro line of Planet of the Apes commemorative dolls, we've all been talking back and forth on how the coolest thing (other than the fact that there is new ape product for sale) is the packaging for the new dolls.  Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that there is enough interest in Planet of the Apes to warrant new merchandise, but personally, by today's toy standards, Kenner could have done a much better job with the likenesses and quality of the dolls.

I've read a great deal of comments here on the POTA web group, most of which reflect people's disappointment in the product, even though they are still happy that something NEW is out there.

Because of all the disappointment with Kenner's dolls, we thought we would turn to you the fans FIRST to prevent a similar situation from occurring.

In December we will be debuting our licensed ECONOMY line of Planet of the Apes masks, priced in the $79 (USA) range, but before we get too TOO deep into production, we thought it might be a good idea to contact the real hard-core Planet of the Apes fans (you folks) and get your opinions and suggestions BEFORE we make the product available to the masses.

Imagine that, the consumers actually get to give input and the manufacturer is welcoming it with open ears!  (Are you listening Kenner/Hasbro?  Watch and learn if you are...)

We have posted a couple of fotos of our first ECONOMY prototype on our site, however this design was just a test to see if we could get a convincing look with an inexpensive synthetic hair fabric and to determine how much the latex would shrink over time and if we needed to resculpt and compensate for that shrinkage.  We have gone back and resculpted this item and for aesthetics reduced the size of the chin, and we now are "ape-lying" the same specs to the rest of the characters we will be releasing.  You can all view the first ECONOMY prototype by going to this special link:

http://apemania.com/ECONOMY.htm
 

Please feel free to let us know what you think or what characters you would most want to see done in an ECONOMY mask.  This is your chance to voice your opinions BEFORE a product hits the shelves.  We want to make sure that every Planet of the Apes fan will like what they see with this line of products.

Thanx for reading and we look forward to your comments.

Brian Dumont
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for
APEMANIA.COM
(818) 576-0739
 

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Hey there....

I noticed something a little unusual (if thats the word) when watching the
original movie the other day - in the part just after Zera meets up with
Cornelius after rescuing Taylor ... just after Taylor gets his gun ... where
Nova seems to recognise her surroundings ...

- Is it just me, or can you get a full view of her 'goods' ?? Or is it
REALLY realistic underwear??

MICK
New Zealand

"mick" <mpec-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/pota/?start=695

>
>
> Hey there....
>
> I noticed something a little unusual (if thats the word) when

watching the

> original movie the other day - in the part just after Zera meets up

with

> Cornelius after rescuing Taylor ... just after Taylor gets his gun

... where

> Nova seems to recognise her surroundings ...
>
> - Is it just me, or can you get a full view of her 'goods' ?? Or is

it

> REALLY realistic underwear??
>
> MICK

> New Zealand

Good question - I haven't seen the film in years, but plan on
watching it (if I can) in a couple of weeks - is what you're referring
to in the VHS version or the Widescreen version? (i'm going to try to
see the Widescreen version, if possible).

All I can say is that Taylor is one lucky sonofagun....

Nemo

The new issue of Previews shows a couple of new PotA T-shirts solicited. One
of them has the logo and pictures of a few characters, and is pretty cool.
The other has a great picture, but has a bit too much text on it in my
opinion.

'Course, I'll probably buy them both anyway.

Alan

"I remember days that felt like it was raining daisies"

-----------------"Oiceboug, Roit Ahaid"------------------
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Dunfermline & West Fife:
http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/dunf.htm

Parscelona:
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.html I got an incredible POTA's T-shirt at "Suncoast Video"
about six months ago. It has a great piece of artwork on
the back, and the front has the logo name embroidered
on it.  If you have a Suncoast near you, check them out.
 
 

Alan Maxwell wrote:

The new issue of Previews shows a couple of new PotA T-shirts solicited. One
of them has the logo and pictures of a few characters, and is pretty cool.
The other has a great picture, but has a bit too much text on it in my
opinion.

'Course, I'll probably buy them both anyway.

Alan

 "I remember days that felt like it was raining daisies"

-----------------"Oiceboug, Roit Ahaid"------------------
           The Artist Formerly Known As ceeam3
 Alan Maxwell -  Email alan@...

                                 Dunfermline & West Fife:
         http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/dunf.htm

                                              Parscelona:
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I've scanned the information on the two T-shirts I mentioned, including the
pics, for anyone interested:

http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/apeshirt.jpg

Alan

Hi All,
Go here for some pics of the new Medicom figures.
Best,
KEN

http://www.justbetoys.com/index2.html"

In a message dated 12/16/1999 2:25:30 AM Central Standard Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

> Go here for some pics of the new Medicom figures.
> Best,
> KEN
>
> http://www.justbetoys.com/index2.html"
>

I didn't see any links/pics of apes figures???

It's the slimline image of the 30th Anniversary poster , 3rd one down under
the "COMING SOON" icon.
Brian

Becker0715@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/16/1999 2:25:30 AM Central Standard Time,
> kentaylor@... writes:
>
> > Go here for some pics of the new Medicom figures.
> > Best,
> > KEN
> >
> > http://www.justbetoys.com/index2.html"
> >
> I didn't see any links/pics of apes figures???
>
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