Pretty cool, dude. Just ordered mine. "It's a city of APES!"

Thanks for the tip Alan. Sounds interesting.
Best,
KEN

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Testing, one...two. Is this on? I've never responded to an egroup before.
Regarding the time conflict, 3955 seems the closest to an official answer.
Though the original movie provides a date it doesn't mention it in dialogue;
true, the only reason the other movies agree is because Paul Dehn wrote 'em,
but so what? He wins. In "Escape" it's said NASA has concluded the ship came
from 3955 after they performed "microscopic scrutiny". Are we going to argue
with NASA? They landed men on the moon! And what are we to make of the
moniker ANSA in the first film and subsequent spacesuits? Something's up in
that first movie below the surface. I think Oliver Stone should investigate
it.

In other news I went to E3, the electronics expo in Los Angeles today and
got to see the new "Apes" video game (due around September). I was impressed
with many of the graphics. It's very reminiscent of the first movie (crash
landing- - not in water; cornfield hunt;etc.) but BIGGER. The ship , now
called the Casseopia, looks like the Icarus but is huge like something from
"Aliens". Other things aren't as impressive: Taylor (Ulysses now) runs like
a girl; the player gets to punch out gorillas a la TV. Storywise a video
game isn't a good match for the "Apes" concept. Atrailer for the game was
run on a loop that makes it sound like "Planet of Rambo". . . "Take back
your birthrght!" I guess commerce makes strange bedfellows. But many of the
visuals are striking and this could be a quick fix of 'new movie' until the
real thing shows up.- - - Jeff Krueger

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Hey, I can't remember how the apes evolved in the original novel but it was
better than the cats and dogs thoery. I think it had something to do with
Apes just mimicing humans until they eventually took over. I think it would
be cool if the new planet of the apes movie adressed a cooler new millenium
way of the ape-o-lution, possibly a geneticly enhanced ape breeds...or dare i
say it...a monkey returning from one of the cheesy 150 sci-fi movies returns
from space super intelligent! Any comments?...please dont comment on my
spelling, its late here!

"Ape" fans may want to seek out the 1971 movie "Schlock". The directorial
debut of John Landis ("Jake's Friend" in "Battle For the Planet of the
Apes") , the ape creature was created by newly christened "Apes"meister Rick
Baker and feature a one-time only acting job by "Apes" legend John Chambers.
A 1999 video was released by Englewood Productions (www. englewd.com). If
the new "Apes" comes out in 2001 as planned it will fall on the 30th
Anniversary of "Schlock"!- - - Jeff Krueger

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Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...> wrote:

>Thanks for the tip Alan. Sounds interesting.
>Best,
>KEN

I've ordered some of FSM's Silver Age Classics CDs before, so I'll vouch for
their excellentness (is that a word? It is now). Believe it or not, when
they first started releasing them they asked for ideas as to what the fans
wanted. I suggested "The Omega Man" and "Beneath the PotA". They released
"The Omega Man" last month! I'm on a roll!

Anyway, for those of you who haven't been to the website, here are the full
details (the website has a full track listing though) :

-----Original Message-----
From: Lukas Kendall <Lukas@...>
Newsgroups: rec.music.movies
Date: 12 May 2000 02:19
Subject: FSM releases BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES CD

>FILM SCORE MONTHLY releases Beneath The Planet Of The Apes CD
>
>Restored 1970 Sci-Fi Original Soundtrack by Leonard Rosenman
>
>Film Score Monthly rescues from oblivion the second film score from the
>legendary Planet of the Apes series.
>
>The Film Score Monthly Silver Age Classics series presents another
>long-lost science fiction score: Leonard Rosenman's stunning Beneath the
>Planet of the Apes. The 1970 sequel to producer Arthur P. Jacobs'
>groundbreaking sci-fi allegory Planet of the Apes picks up directly
>after the first film ends, with astronaut George Taylor (Charlton
>Heston) exploring the lifeless Forbidden Zone of a planet where apes
>evolved from men. But Taylor soon disappears in a terrifying illusion,
>leaving Nova (Linda Harrison) and another human explorer newly landed on
>the planet (James Franciscus as Brent) to dodge gorilla patrols in Ape
>City and eventually stumble on a twisted civilization of underground
>mutants.
>
>Taking over for Jerry Goldsmith, composer Leonard Rosenman retained the
>neoprimitive musical underpinnings of the ape world while creating a
>score very much written in his own, inimitable style. The result bridges
>the alien soundscape Rosenman created for Fantastic Voyage with the
>percussive barbarism always associated with the upside-down civilization
>of the ape planet. Rosenman's Beneath the Planet of the Apes is as
>inventive and otherworldly as Goldsmith's original Apes score, yet
>Rosenman's approach is in its way diametrically opposed to
>Goldsmith's--composed of vertically-stacked layers of sound, clanging,
>metallic effects, bristling, rambunctious chase music and a perverse,
>chaotic march for the ape army. Add to this some striking electronic
>effects and a bizarre choral mass written for the atomic
>bomb-worshipping mutants, and you have the recipe for one of the most
>original science fiction movie scores ever written.
>
>For years Leonard Rosenman's Beneath the Planet of the Apes score has
>been available to collectors only in the form of a strange concept album
>released in conjunction with the movie. For this LP Rosenman was asked
>to rearrange his score for a smaller orchestra and add contemporary
>elements including electric guitar performances and rock percussion.
>Leavening these stylistic departures from his original score were
>several dialogue sequences from the film, another common practice from
>the old days of motion picture soundtrack albums that persists today.
>For the FSM Silver Age Classics release we have gone back to the
>original score as heard in the film in dynamic stereo sound, including
>every note Rosenman recorded for the movie, electronic music and sound
>effects (some created to sonically illustrate the mind-controlling
>abilities of the film's mutants) and the score's hair-raising Mass for
>the Bomb.
>
>This score has never been available before in its original form, and as
>a bonus we've included the complete original LP arrangements and
>dialogue snippets, which provide a striking contrast between the score
>Rosenman originally wrote and its adaptation as a popular soundtrack
>album. It's the second musical piece in the Planet of the Apes puzzle,
>and a fascinating companion piece to both the original Planet of the
>Apes score and Leonard Rosenman's science fiction and fantasy work.
> FSM's Beneath the Planet of the Apes CD is available exclusively from
>the magazine and website (www.filmscoremonthly.com) for $19.95 plus
>shipping: Film Score Monthly, 8503 Washington Blvd, Culver City CA
>90232, ph: 310-253-9595 or toll-free 1-888-345-6335; fax: 310-253-9588;
>Lukas@...
>
>For more info (including track list):
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>http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/12_May---Beneath_the_Planet_o

f_the_Apes_CD.asp

>
>For an ordering form:
>
>http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/order.asp

Hi everybody!

Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
of you already know of me.

I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
enthusiasts.

I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
mistakes while learing the ropes.

Talk to you soon.
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Hi everybody!

Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
of you already know of me.

I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
enthusiasts.

I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
mistakes while learing the ropes.

Talk to you soon.
Dave

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NASA, ANSA, who knows. And what about that Mars probe that vanished a few
months back. Probably intercepted by Martian apes. The E3 show sounds pretty
cool. Were the good people of Apemania there? I saw highlights from last
years show on the Apemania website. Any Nova girls there? Looking forward to
the game. "It's a toy...it floats on the air."

I like the idea of parallel planet developement, with a kicker ending. They
return to Earth, which has been taken over by the apes while they were gone.
Sure, it's been done before, but what hasn't? Everything depends on the
script. I hope Broyles has done a good job. "It's a stunt! Humans can't
write!"

TNT will be showing Conquest at 12:35 am, Sat/Sun, East Coast Time.
Then AMC will have Gwangi at 2:15 am. "It's a blody nightmare!"

Jeff wrote:

>...the player gets to punch out gorillas a la TV. Storywise a video
>game isn't a good match for the "Apes" concept.

Any kind of news on what the storyline is? With the name "Ulysses" I was
kind of wondering if they were maybe going back to the original novel.

And there's nothing wrong with punching out a few gorillas here and there -
they're asking for it!

And a big hello to Dave.

Alan

At least with the original book concept with the apes being in a modern
society, they can introduce modern technology, as opposed to the film apes
with their stone-hewn, horse drawn society. "He was here before you...and he
was better than you!"

In a message dated 5/13/00 1:41:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< excellentness (is that a word? It is now) >>
excellence

E3: Yes, "Apemania" was there. It was basically a trade show with a $200
per person admission (yes, two hundred dollars). I brought Natalie Trundy
with me, so Fox Interactive kinda ushered us in (and gave us passes for all
3 days). "Apemania" went bananas as usual but "Apes" was a last minute
afterthought this year, because the game was supposed to come out last year;
this time there was no Statue of Liberty or cage.

As for the storyline, Fox provided me with a press kit but there was
nothing that hasn't already been said. For those interested about the game,
there was a full page article in "Cinescape" a couple issues ago (I think
the one with the big metal X on the cover). The game is a mix of the first
movie, Boulle's book and some new stuff. It looks like what a remake of the
first movie would be ; the same clothes, a bigger ship but looks the same;
there's the cornfield hunt; they even find that one of the astronauts died
during the flight!). But the apes have more technology like in Boulle's book
(and of course the name Ulysses, though Boulle's character was Ulysse ).
Added to that , says the press kit, are "renegade baboons and mandrill
assassins- - - maybe even Barbera Mandrell? Dr. Zauis, Zira, Ursus and
Cornelius are all there. The game adds laser weapons and environment
weapons. There's 15 main levels with 60 "distinct" sublevels, including
ruined cities, research labs, mine shafts, military bases and villages. I
was much more impressed with the settings than I was with the characters.
It'll be available for Playstation, Sega Dreamcast and Windows 95/98.
Overall, I was impressed with it, but I'm no videogame expert. Oh,
"Apemania" had two Novas, and we all know that two Novas are better than
one! Yes, sometimes gorillas deserve to be punched, but it's not very
realistic.

Bill Broyles' script: I hear it's fantastic; he's a former Vietnam vet and
journalist so he might have more to say than the average screenwriter. But
they are currently rewriting it, apparently to appeal to the teens that buy
theatre tickets. Hopefully they'll find a happy medium. I have alot of faith
in Burton and Zanuck (Zanuck says this movie is very personal to him). We'll
see.- - - Jeff Krueger

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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] the "Apes" computer game


> Jeff wrote:
> >...the player gets to punch out gorillas a la TV. Storywise a video
> >game isn't a good match for the "Apes" concept.
>
> Any kind of news on what the storyline is? With the name "Ulysses" I was
> kind of wondering if they were maybe going back to the original novel.
>
> And there's nothing wrong with punching out a few gorillas here and
there -
> they're asking for it!
>
> And a big hello to Dave.
>
> Alan
>
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Thanks for the run down. Sounds like E3 was pretty cool. How's Natalie
Trundy? Seems like she's into the whole thing. Carrying on the ApJac legacy
and all that. Glad to hear that they had Novas there. "We've had them here,
like you. Disgusting creatures. Either their skulls were too thick or they
really knew nothing."

I think Tim Burton would have a field day with Boulle's book, all the ape
cars and such. How much can he do with rock dwellings and horses? But most
people only know the movies and straying too far might disappoint them. But
the script is under wraps and I have no idea what they're going to do.

Natalie Trundy is a sweet lady. She's thrilled that "Apes" is such a big
deal again (she's the one who found the book and brought it to Jacobs'
attention). But Fox hasn't exactly been fair in distributing the wealth;
without Apjac, Fox wouldn't have either the upcoming "Apes" remake or their
lucrative "Dr. Dolittle" remakes (#2 is coming in 2001). So she's got kinda
mixed feelings.

P.S.: The egroup brought up the music to "Midnight Cowboy". Natalie tells
me that Arthur had the rights to "Midnight Cowboy" but literally gave them
away, didn't even sell them, because he wouldn't do a movie the whole family
couldn't go to.- - - Jeff Krueger

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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] the "Apes" computer game


> At least with the original book concept with the apes being in a modern
> society, they can introduce modern technology, as opposed to the film apes
> with their stone-hewn, horse drawn society. "He was here before you...and
he
> was better than you!"
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Does anyone know where I can obtain POTA scripts?

I'm interested in the versions that didn't get made. For instance Rod
Serling's "Dark side of the earth" Or Pierre Boule's "Planet of the
men"

Any leads would be appreciated.

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome.

I've just finished watching Battle again, and I have a question.

Why do you think the statue of Caesar weeps at the end?

Is it in response to the last words of the Lawgiver, or is there
something else? Can only the future be known by the dead? Or is it that
future for which he weeps?

M

Best regards to Dave Ballard (a fellow writer it seems)

But, back to the action...

'He was here before you... and he was better than you.'

He may have been there before you, but was he any better? Better in what way?
Taylor's arrogant remark merely exposes the human need to be superior. It's the
one aspect of Taylor I don't admire.

Sometimes, one does wonder if technology gets you anywhere. But then, we
wouldn't be emailing this list, would we?

M

JSe3689836@... wrote:

> At least with the original book concept with the apes being in a modern
> society, they can introduce modern technology, as opposed to the film apes
> with their stone-hewn, horse drawn society. "He was here before you...and he
> was better than you!"
>
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you're right. Natalie Trundy is a sweet lady! I will can see Natalie and you in again, in June?

Please, contact me!

Adami

Jack Krueger escreveu:

  I think Tim Burton would have a field day with Boulle's book, all the ape
cars and such. How much can he do with rock dwellings and horses? But most
people only know the movies and straying too far might disappoint them. But
the script is under wraps and I have no idea what they're going to do.

  Natalie Trundy is a sweet lady. She's thrilled that "Apes" is such a big
deal again (she's the one who found the book and brought it to Jacobs'
attention). But Fox hasn't exactly been fair in distributing the wealth;
without Apjac, Fox wouldn't have either the upcoming "Apes" remake or their
lucrative "Dr. Dolittle" remakes (#2 is coming in 2001). So she's got kinda
mixed feelings.

  P.S.: The egroup brought up the music to "Midnight Cowboy". Natalie tells
me that Arthur had the rights to "Midnight Cowboy" but literally gave them
away, didn't even sell them, because he wouldn't do a movie the whole family
couldn't go to.- - - Jeff Krueger
----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] the "Apes" computer game

> At least with the original book concept with the apes being in a modern
> society, they can introduce modern technology, as opposed to the film apes
> with their stone-hewn, horse drawn society. "He was here before you...and
he
> was better than you!"
>
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Well, the official answer is that your supposed to wonder if this is a tear
of joy, because Humans and Apes will forever live in harmony, or a tear or
sorrow because of the chaos that wil ensue( POTA ad Beneith the POTA) I think
I heard this on that Behind the Planet of the Apes special tey aired on the
Sci-Fi channel.

I don't think he was being so much arogent( He implies that he hates the
human race as a whole) but rather sticking it to the smug Dr Zaius. I mean,
if you had goen through all that, wouldn't you want to do the same?

My take is that Taylor thinks he's on another planet, not Earth. Then when he
sees the SOL, he realizes that he was right to be so down on mankind. "Chalk
up another victory for the human spirit!"

Good point. And he throws in tying him to the tree stump for good measure.
"The way I was humiliated...by all of you. You lead me around on a LEASH!"

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I'm not arguing that point, I'm just saying that the chronometer was
damaged. Presumably because of the water. See my other post for the
details.

Chris L.


On Mon, 8 May 2000 21:27:43 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:

>Just freeze frame the video. The date they land on POTA is 11-25-3978.
>Great Thanksgiving! "If only we could get a fix"

____

NASA's "microscopic scrutiny" is another good point to argue that 3955 is
the correct date. Plus there's the fact that in BENEATH, Brent said that
he took an Earth time reading BEFORE re-entry. I'm more inclined to
believe that his clock was correct, and Taylor's was damaged upon
splashdown but then later corrected itself when Dr. Milo salvaged it
(perhaps the water threw it out of whack). And remember, it was Taylor's
ship that they returned in. And the date (according to the President)
that NASA scientists read from the chronometer? 3955.


Chris L.


From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>


Testing, one...two. Is this on? I've never responded to an egroup before.
Regarding the time conflict, 3955 seems the closest to an official
answer.
Though the original movie provides a date it doesn't mention it in
dialogue;
true, the only reason the other movies agree is because Paul Dehn wrote
'em,
but so what? He wins. In "Escape" it's said NASA has concluded the ship
came
from 3955 after they performed "microscopic scrutiny". Are we going to
argue
with NASA? They landed men on the moon! And what are we to make of the
moniker ANSA in the first film and subsequent spacesuits? Something's up
in
that first movie below the surface. I think Oliver Stone should
investigate it.




____

There's no need for the water or Dr. Milo to correct the clock. The NASA
experts did it. Taylor's ship was run by computer. That's also presumably
how it was able to fly and return to the past.

More curious is how Milo was able to find the ship in the first place and
salvage it (and how Cornelius and Zira were in it, since we see them at home
as the army marches off; presumably the ship was already salvaged and the
exit of the big whigs was their cue to ride like the wind to the
location).- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Timeline (again)


> I'm not arguing that point, I'm just saying that the chronometer was
> damaged. Presumably because of the water. See my other post for the
> details.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> On Mon, 8 May 2000 21:27:43 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:
>
> >Just freeze frame the video. The date they land on POTA is 11-25-3978.
> >Great Thanksgiving! "If only we could get a fix"
>
> ____

Jeff wrote:

> More curious is how Milo was able to find the ship in the first place and
>salvage it (and how Cornelius and Zira were in it, since we see them at

home

>as the army marches off; presumably the ship was already salvaged and the
>exit of the big whigs was their cue to ride like the wind to the
>location).

I sometimes wonder if Paul Dehn put a trapdoor in place for another sequel,
but was maybe foiled when they blew up the Earth at the end. The bit I'm
referring to is the comment by Zira, "At least our baby, when it's born..."

Seems like a meaningless throwaway line at first but the more I hear it the
more I think it was Dehn or somebody laying the groundwork in case another
sequel was requested. (And sure enough, their baby ended up playing a big
part in the sequels...)

Alan

In a message dated 5/16/00 12:52:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< I sometimes wonder if Paul Dehn put a trapdoor in place for another
sequel, >>

I think i saw something on an A+E special about POTA that said something to
the effect of, the original pota wasnt expected to have a sequel, but they
made one. Then beneath wasnt expected to have a sequel, but it did. Then
after that they started leaving easy portals for future movies, like the
talking baby caesar at the end of escape, and the ape revolutrion in battle,
and the statue crying in conquest. Of course this is what i remeber,
therefore its heresay and speculation.

DrEvil

Yes, they did start leaving openings for sequels starting with "Escape".
But what Alan said is also very thoughtful. I heard Cornelius and Zira talk
about their baby in "Beneath" but it never really dawned on me how ironic
that is. I just thought, "Well, of course Zira is pregnant because she has
the baby in "Escape". " But in retrospect it's the only real link to the
third movie. It's true they weren't planning another sequel (that's why the
lapses between "Beneath" and "Escape" can be forgiven) and the ending of
"Beneath" was an afterthought. In the "Behind the POTA" documentary Heston
gets credit for that ending an director Ted Post later took him to task in
the excellent magazine "Apesfan", since he hated that ending but it was
basically forced on him. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: <DrEvil86@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Timeline (again)


> In a message dated 5/16/00 12:52:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> alan@... writes:
>
> << I sometimes wonder if Paul Dehn put a trapdoor in place for another
> sequel, >>
>
> I think i saw something on an A+E special about POTA that said something
to
> the effect of, the original pota wasnt expected to have a sequel, but they
> made one. Then beneath wasnt expected to have a sequel, but it did. Then
> after that they started leaving easy portals for future movies, like the
> talking baby caesar at the end of escape, and the ape revolutrion in
battle,
> and the statue crying in conquest. Of course this is what i remeber,
> therefore its heresay and speculation.
>
> DrEvil
>
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Just letting you all know, I'm now working on my Planet of the Apes
Multimedia Site, just getting geered up for the remake!
I hope :(

It's at: www.prophecysite.com

The frame work on the site is now only being layed out, but at least you'll
have an idea as to how this thing is going to look.

Any one have the lost scenes of battle? I would love to mpeg them for the
site.

Later.
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Krueger <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Timeline (again)


> Yes, they did start leaving openings for sequels starting with "Escape".
> But what Alan said is also very thoughtful. I heard Cornelius and Zira
talk
> about their baby in "Beneath" but it never really dawned on me how ironic
> that is. I just thought, "Well, of course Zira is pregnant because she has
> the baby in "Escape". " But in retrospect it's the only real link to the
> third movie. It's true they weren't planning another sequel (that's why
the
> lapses between "Beneath" and "Escape" can be forgiven) and the ending of
> "Beneath" was an afterthought. In the "Behind the POTA" documentary Heston
> gets credit for that ending an director Ted Post later took him to task in
> the excellent magazine "Apesfan", since he hated that ending but it was
> basically forced on him. - - - Jeff Krueger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DrEvil86@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Timeline (again)
>
>
> > In a message dated 5/16/00 12:52:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > alan@... writes:
> >
> > << I sometimes wonder if Paul Dehn put a trapdoor in place for another
> > sequel, >>
> >
> > I think i saw something on an A+E special about POTA that said something
> to
> > the effect of, the original pota wasnt expected to have a sequel, but
they
> > made one. Then beneath wasnt expected to have a sequel, but it did. Then
> > after that they started leaving easy portals for future movies, like the
> > talking baby caesar at the end of escape, and the ape revolutrion in
> battle,
> > and the statue crying in conquest. Of course this is what i remeber,
> > therefore its heresay and speculation.
> >
> > DrEvil
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Does anybody know where I could find a copy of Behind the Scenes of the
Planet of the Apes video that was briefly offered with the movie collection?
If anybody has any info I'd really appreciate.

Sincerely,
Chris

People sell copies on Ebay pretty regularly. I'm sure it'll also be in the
DVD set when it's released.

>From: BlakerG@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Behind the Planet of the Apes
>Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:07:13 EDT
>
>Does anybody know where I could find a copy of Behind the Scenes of the
>Planet of the Apes video that was briefly offered with the movie
>collection?
>If anybody has any info I'd really appreciate.
>
>Sincerely,
>Chris
>
>
>
>

____________

I hear the documentary will be on DVD in September with a boxed set. Other
than that, haunt the American Movie Classics cable channel for
repeats. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip ***" <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Behind the Planet of the Apes


> People sell copies on Ebay pretty regularly. I'm sure it'll also be in
the
> DVD set when it's released.
>
>
> >From: BlakerG@...
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] Behind the Planet of the Apes
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:07:13 EDT
> >
> >Does anybody know where I could find a copy of Behind the Scenes of the
> >Planet of the Apes video that was briefly offered with the movie
> >collection?
> >If anybody has any info I'd really appreciate.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ____________

Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton has
been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more than a
year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
willing. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK


> Hi everybody!
>
> Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> of you already know of me.
>
> I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> enthusiasts.
>
> I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> mistakes while learing the ropes.
>
> Talk to you soon.
> Dave
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get paid for the stuff you know!
> Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/9/_/19617/_/958212043/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

They are always turning up on Ebay. I'm sure there's a few folks out there
that would bootleg a copy or two as well.

B

BlakerG@... wrote:

> Does anybody know where I could find a copy of Behind the Scenes of the
> Planet of the Apes video that was briefly offered with the movie collection?
> If anybody has any info I'd really appreciate.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris

Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?

>From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
>Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
>
>Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
>series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton has
>been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more than
>a
>year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
>see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
>willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
>Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
>
>
> > Hi everybody!
> >
> > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> > of you already know of me.
> >
> > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> > enthusiasts.
> >
> > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> > mistakes while learing the ropes.
> >
> > Talk to you soon.
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Get paid for the stuff you know!
> > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site!
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/9/_/19617/_/958212043/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/9/_/19617/_/958601949/
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>
>
>

____________

When is this ape program coming, this fall?

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...


>
> Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?
>
> >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
> >
> >Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
> >series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton
has
> >been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more
than
> >a
> >year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
> >see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
> >willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
> >Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > >
> > > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> > > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> > > of you already know of me.
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> > > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> > > enthusiasts.
> > >
> > > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> > > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> > > mistakes while learing the ropes.
> > >
> > > Talk to you soon.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Get paid for the stuff you know!
> > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site!
> > > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/9/_/19617/_/958212043/
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com:
> >http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/9/_/19617/_/958601949/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
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Jeff wrote:

>...It's true they weren't planning another sequel (that's why the
>lapses between "Beneath" and "Escape" can be forgiven) and the ending of
>"Beneath" was an afterthought.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm getting at - perhaps Paul Dehn did have another
idea for a sequel (just in case) but the last minute decision to blow up the
world (thanks to Heston) scuppered it.

Alan

Nope- only one season. You can catch the repeats on A&E occasionally. For
everyone's information, James Naughton will also be on the season finale
of Ally McBeal this coming Monday, reprising his role as Ally's father.

On Thu, 18 May 2000 14:22:19 EDT "Philip ***" <soylentphil@...>
writes:

>
>Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?
>
>>From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
>>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
>>Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
>>
>>Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up
>a
>>series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr.
>Naughton has
>>been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more
>than
>>a
>>year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another
>chance to
>>see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
>>willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
>>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
>>Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
>>
>>
>> > Hi everybody!
>> >
>> > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live
>in
>> > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt
>some
>> > of you already know of me.
>> >
>> > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring
>this
>> > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
>> > enthusiasts.
>> >
>> > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the
>20th
>> > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
>> > mistakes while learing the ropes.
>> >
>> > Talk to you soon.
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Get paid for the stuff you know!
>> > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the
>site!
>> > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/9/_/19617/_/958212043/
>> >
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

-

>>Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com:
>>http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/9/_/19617/_/958601949/
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

-

>>
>>
>>
>
>____________

____

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question about "Behind the
Scenes" video. A guy who wrote my webpage was interested, and thats why I
asked.
Has there be any new stuff on the upcoming movie?
Sincerely,
Chris

I'll have some real player behind the scenes clips on my Planet of the Apes
Page soon Chris.
Just give me a few days.
As for the upcoming movie, once they start rolling I'll have updates from
E.T. Access Hollywood and so on, like I did on my Gladiator Site.

This new page I'm making is going to have updates galor once things get
rolling.
the site is at: www.prophecysite.com

Later
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: <BlakerG@...>
To: <lawford42@...>; <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [pota]Thank you


> I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question about "Behind
the
> Scenes" video. A guy who wrote my webpage was interested, and thats why I
> asked.
> Has there be any new stuff on the upcoming movie?
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/9/_/19617/_/958792602/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Just got mine in the mail from Film Score Monthly. In addition to
music, it also has dialogue bits like Ursus' Speech & Brent's
Interrogation. "Nova? What's that, some kind of star?" BEEP!

Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on CD?
Is it still available? Thanks for any help-

Phil
____________

I don't know where, but I will have some sound tracks from the movie itself
on my site soon. It will be on real player as the same as I did with Planet
of the Apes.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:17 AM
Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?


> Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on CD?
> Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
>
> Phil
> ____________

Just go to www.filmscoremonthly.com. On the CD I got it says that it's
limited to a printing of 3,000. It should still be available. Godd luck.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/14_May---Beneath_the_Planet_of
_the_Apes.asp

Not much risk of it selling out any time soon I don't think. Even their
earlier releases are still on sale.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: 23 May 2000 15:17
Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?

>Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on CD?
>Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
>
>Phil
>____________

No, "Cosby Mysteries" only lasted a year, but with "Apes" is Naughton's only
show that is still seen regularly.- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip ***" <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...


>
> Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?
>
> >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
> >
> >Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
> >series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton
has
> >been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more
than
> >a
> >year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
> >see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
> >willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
> >Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > >
> > > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> > > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> > > of you already know of me.
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> > > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> > > enthusiasts.
> > >
> > > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> > > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> > > mistakes while learing the ropes.
> > >
> > > Talk to you soon.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Get paid for the stuff you know!
> > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site!
> > > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/9/_/19617/_/958212043/
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com:
> >http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/9/_/19617/_/958601949/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
> ____________

With all this talk about the "Beneath" CD it's worth mentioning that
TOMORROW (May 26) is the 30th Anniversary of "Beneath"! Except for "Battle"
I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
original. - - - Jeff Krueger

P. S. : The August issue of "Star Log" will have an interview with Natalie
Trundy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?


>
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/14_May---Beneath_the_Planet_of
> _the_Apes.asp
>
> Not much risk of it selling out any time soon I don't think. Even their
> earlier releases are still on sale.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
> To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> Date: 23 May 2000 15:17
> Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
>
>
> >Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on
CD?
> >Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
> >
> >Phil
> >____________

Oh man I loved Beneath, the underground world and the colors used were
outstanding. My second favorite.

First and second film were truly the best in my opinion.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Krueger <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:20 PM
Subject: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> With all this talk about the "Beneath" CD it's worth mentioning that
> TOMORROW (May 26) is the 30th Anniversary of "Beneath"! Except for
"Battle"
> I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
> original. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
> P. S. : The August issue of "Star Log" will have an interview with
Natalie
> Trundy.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
>
>
> >
>
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/14_May---Beneath_the_Planet_of
> > _the_Apes.asp
> >
> > Not much risk of it selling out any time soon I don't think. Even their
> > earlier releases are still on sale.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
> > To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> > Date: 23 May 2000 15:17
> > Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
> >
> >
> > >Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on
> CD?
> > >Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
> > >
> > >Phil
> >
>____________

Well, it added three huge elements to the canon:

Telepathic mutants
End of the world/Alpha Omega Bomb
Ursus and the line: "The only good human is a dead human!" Even folks who
haven't seen the films knows where that line is from.

Ordered my wave 2 of the Medicom figures this week - just beautiful!

>From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] Speak of the Devil
>Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:20:04 -0700
>
> With all this talk about the "Beneath" CD it's worth mentioning that
>TOMORROW (May 26) is the 30th Anniversary of "Beneath"! Except for "Battle"
>I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
>original. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
>P. S. : The August issue of "Star Log" will have an interview with Natalie
>Trundy.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
>
>
> >
>http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/14_May---Beneath_the_Planet_of
> > _the_Apes.asp
> >
> > Not much risk of it selling out any time soon I don't think. Even their
> > earlier releases are still on sale.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
> > To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> > Date: 23 May 2000 15:17
> > Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
> >
> >
> > >Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on
>CD?
> > >Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
> > >
> > >Phil
> >
> >____________

____________

Philip,
Where are you ordering your Medicom figures?
I've seen them at the Toy Syndicate, but have
hesitated ordering because the price is so steep.
I know they're worth it... Just can't turn loose of
the cash right now. What was in wave 2?

Thanks,
Steve

Philip *** wrote:

>
> Well, it added three huge elements to the canon:
>
> Telepathic mutants
> End of the world/Alpha Omega Bomb
> Ursus and the line: "The only good human is a dead human!" Even folks who
> haven't seen the films knows where that line is from.
>
> Ordered my wave 2 of the Medicom figures this week - just beautiful!
>
> >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] Speak of the Devil
> >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:20:04 -0700
> >
> > With all this talk about the "Beneath" CD it's worth mentioning that
> >TOMORROW (May 26) is the 30th Anniversary of "Beneath"! Except for "Battle"
> >I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
> >original. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >
> >P. S. : The August issue of "Star Log" will have an interview with Natalie
> >Trundy.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:17 PM
> >Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
> >
> >
> > >
> >http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/14_May---Beneath_the_Planet_of
> > > _the_Apes.asp
> > >
> > > Not much risk of it selling out any time soon I don't think. Even their
> > > earlier releases are still on sale.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
> > > To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> > > Date: 23 May 2000 15:17
> > > Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
> > >
> > >
> > > >Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack on
> >CD?
> > > >Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > >
> > >____________ > ____________

I got mine from Just Be Toys (phone # is at justbetoys.com).

They're expensive. All there is to it. But I'll take $36 each over an Ebay
bidding war.

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [Pota] Figures
>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:26:56 -0500
>
>Philip,
>Where are you ordering your Medicom figures?
>I've seen them at the Toy Syndicate, but have
>hesitated ordering because the price is so steep.
>I know they're worth it... Just can't turn loose of
>the cash right now. What was in wave 2?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>Philip *** wrote:
> >
> > Well, it added three huge elements to the canon:
> >
> > Telepathic mutants
> > End of the world/Alpha Omega Bomb
> > Ursus and the line: "The only good human is a dead human!" Even folks
>who
> > haven't seen the films knows where that line is from.
> >
> > Ordered my wave 2 of the Medicom figures this week - just beautiful!
> >
> > >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> > >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > >Subject: [pota] Speak of the Devil
> > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:20:04 -0700
> > >
> > > With all this talk about the "Beneath" CD it's worth mentioning that
> > >TOMORROW (May 26) is the 30th Anniversary of "Beneath"! Except for
>"Battle"
> > >I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
> > >original. - - - Jeff Krueger
> > >
> > >P. S. : The August issue of "Star Log" will have an interview with
>Natalie
> > >Trundy.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> > >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:17 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/14_May---Beneath_the_Planet_of
> > > > _the_Apes.asp
> > > >
> > > > Not much risk of it selling out any time soon I don't think. Even
>their
> > > > earlier releases are still on sale.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
> > > > To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> > > > Date: 23 May 2000 15:17
> > > > Subject: [pota] Beneath Soundtrack CD?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Could someone point me to the place they got the Beneath Soundtrack
>on
> > >CD?
> > > > >Is it still available? Thanks for any help-
> > > > >
> > > > >Phil
> > > >
> > >
> >____________ > > ____________

____________

Pretty cool. Thanks for that bit of info. POTA & BPOTA are my favorites. E,C
& BatPOTA are alright, but are lacking one vital ingredient: Nova!

I strongly agree with that, they should have put her in one of the following
films and given her a speaking roll. Now that would have been great!

And not far from the truth as Jacob's wife played a main roll in both
Beneath and Escape. Now that's not fair.
Poor Nova.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Pretty cool. Thanks for that bit of info. POTA & BPOTA are my favorites.
E,C
> & BatPOTA are alright, but are lacking one vital ingredient: Nova!
>
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Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> I strongly agree with that, they should have put her in one of the following
> films and given her a speaking roll. Now that would have been great!
>
> And not far from the truth as Jacob's wife played a main roll in both
> Beneath and Escape.

And lesser roles in Conquest and Battle. Man, there were almost no
broads of consequence in Conquest. Just that chick with the cigarette.

Now that's not fair.

> Poor Nova.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil
>
> > Pretty cool. Thanks for that bit of info. POTA & BPOTA are my favorites.
> E,C
> > & BatPOTA are alright, but are lacking one vital ingredient: Nova!
> >
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That's a very good point.
Whatever female they choose for this remake, Linda Harrison is going to be
one tough act to follow, that's for sure.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > I strongly agree with that, they should have put her in one of the
following
> > films and given her a speaking roll. Now that would have been great!
> >
> > And not far from the truth as Jacob's wife played a main roll in both
> > Beneath and Escape.
>
> And lesser roles in Conquest and Battle. Man, there were almost no
> broads of consequence in Conquest. Just that chick with the cigarette.
>
> Now that's not fair.
> > Poor Nova.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <JSe3689836@...>
> > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil
> >
> > > Pretty cool. Thanks for that bit of info. POTA & BPOTA are my
favorites.
> > E,C
> > > & BatPOTA are alright, but are lacking one vital ingredient: Nova!
> > >
> >
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Salma Hayeck get's my vote!

Dave Ballard wrote:

>
> Salma Hayeck get's my vote!

They CAN'T make a NOva like in teh original. They take too much heat
for it.

IF she's in it, I got a bad feeling Lisa Marie (Ed Wood, Mars Attacks,
Sleepy Hollow) is first in line . . .

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I was just thinking the same thing.

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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Dave Ballard wrote:
> >
> > Salma Hayeck get's my vote!
>
> They CAN'T make a NOva like in teh original. They take too much heat
> for it.
>
> IF she's in it, I got a bad feeling Lisa Marie (Ed Wood, Mars Attacks,
> Sleepy Hollow) is first in line . . .
>
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With Zanuck as producer, I'm hoping that he'll find a spot for Linda H.
(Probably a cameo) As for a Nova role in the remake, I figure the best bet is
going with an unknown. Break out the tree bark bikini and let her run with
it! "Put her in with him"

I wonder if the gorillas exacted revenge on the cigarette chick?

Let hope cooler heads prevail.

> I also think Lisa marie will get the gig as Burton always seems to find
> non-speaking roles for her.

But how will he be able to work in the chihuahuas?

Burton always finds roles for Lisa Marie because they are going together and
they want to be together (for the record, Lisa had lots of lines in "Ed
Wood" and "Sleepy Hollow". But I don't think Burton wants everyone to oggle
her in skimpy clothes so my prediction is she'll play Zira, not Nova (heck,
he cast her as a Martian in "Mars Attacks").

Besides, I think it's wonderful that Elvis' daughter and Burton are so
happy together!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip ***" <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...


>
> Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?
>
> >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
> >
> >Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
> >series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton
has
> >been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more
than
> >a
> >year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
> >see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
> >willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
> >Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > >
> > > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> > > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> > > of you already know of me.
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> > > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> > > enthusiasts.
> > >
> > > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> > > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> > > mistakes while learing the ropes.
> > >
> > > Talk to you soon.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
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Planet of the Chihuahuas?

One thing that concerns me is this: will the actors doing ape parts
bother to spend some time with their real, live counterparts, as did
Kim, Roddy and the other cast members did for POTA? It would be a shame
to see so many humans merely acting in ape makeup, rather than being
intelligent apes (if you'll pardon the tautology)

M

I sure hope so. Whoever they cast, they will be well paid. I like to think
they will put in the time and effort to do a good job. They can look to Kim,
Roddy & Maurice for fine examples of actors who are consumate professionals,
not prima donnas.

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> (for the record, Lisa had lots of lines in "Ed
> Wood" and "Sleepy Hollow".

She didn't speak a word in Sleepy Hollow. She didn't speak a word in
Mars Attacks. Nova is mute . . .

> But I don't think Burton wants everyone to oggle
> her in skimpy clothes

Huh? Did you see her necklines in both Ed Wood and Sleepy Hollow? The
boys were out on display.

> Besides, I think it's wonderful that Elvis' daughter and Burton are so
> happy together!- - - Jeff Krueger

. . . never mind . . .

It seems to me that 20th Fox has been the most outspoken against star
bullshit and inflated budgets. They've had to play the game like anybody
else but when they do it it works. Yeah, "Titanic" is the most expensive
movie ever but it was worth it (and then some). They even built Fox Baja
Studios as part of it's budget. And what other studio could bring Spielberg
and Tom Cruise together and not sell the farm (I hear they've agreed to take
their money out of the profits instead of up front for "Minority Report",
though their share of the profits is reportedly 60%). And I've also heard
that Fox considers Burton and "Planet of the Apes" their stars, so I don't
think there will be a prima donna issue (Fox expects to reap a harvest!).

As for whether they'll find actors who can play convincing apes, I assume
that's the point. They grabbed Rick Baker, the acknowledged master of cinema
apes so that they would look convincing, but only the actors can complete
it. As for Burton, he brought in a movement specialist for the scene in
"Mars Attacks" where Lisa Marie has to walk like a Martian (all the other
Martians were created with computers). She was good and it was the most
acclaimed scene in the movie (actually, it was the only acclaimed scene in
the movie). So, the casting directors have a job ahead of them but I think
they'll do a good job.- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...


>
> Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?
>
> >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
> >
> >Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
> >series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton
has
> >been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more
than
> >a
> >year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
> >see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
> >willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
> >Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > >
> > > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> > > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> > > of you already know of me.
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> > > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> > > enthusiasts.
> > >
> > > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> > > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> > > mistakes while learing the ropes.
> > >
> > > Talk to you soon.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
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I'd be really surprised if they decided to use actual name actors in ape
suits. Baker's ape suits aren't simple costumes - they're basically
machines with experienced operators working them from the inside. Expect
them to hire Baker familiars and experienced "animal actors" like Don
McLeod to actually work inside the suits, with name actors supplying the
voices.

I recall Lisa Marie having dialogue in "Sleepy Hollow". As for her
outfits, they were nice but weren't exactly skimpy. As for the makeup, the
challenge is for the actors to emote, as they did in the original. The apes
created for "Congo" or "Mighty Joe Young can't carry a "Planet of the Apes"
scene. The closest Baker has come is the title character in "Harry and the
Hendersons", but even that won't due. Baker is a makeup artist's makeup
artist, and I believe he will rise to the challenge and not just reuse old
parts. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip ***" <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...


>
> Didn't that annoying Cosby Mysteries show last more than a year?
>
> >From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Subject: [pota] If at first you don't suceed...
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:21 -0700
> >
> >Congratulations to James Naughton. CBS announced they are picking up a
> >series he will co-star with Bette Midler in for next fall. Mr. Naughton
has
> >been a regular on many series over the years and none has lasted more
than
> >a
> >year (and most significantly less). This will give fans another chance to
> >see the former Peter Burke on a weekly basis, God and the ratings
> >willing. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "smugster " <ceballard@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:00 AM
> >Subject: [pota] New member... Greetings from the UK
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > >
> > > Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Dave Ballard and I live in
> > > England. I recognise quite a few names on the list and no doubt some
> > > of you already know of me.
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the fan club and am looking forward to exploring this
> > > new medium (New to me anyway) of keeping in touch with fellow
> > > enthusiasts.
> > >
> > > I'm still pretty new to this WWW and e-mail, I kinda joined the 20th
> > > century five months into the 21st! So please forgive me if I make
> > > mistakes while learing the ropes.
> > >
> > > Talk to you soon.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Get paid for the stuff you know!
> > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site!
> > > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/9/_/19617/_/958212043/
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
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> >
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.html Sorry Phil,

Gotta correct you on this one.  Rick's designs for the new film (due to start filming in October) are prosthetic designs with the actors wearing prosthetic teeth as well.  So they are sticking to tradition and not going the animatronic route.  They may still use experienced make-up and suit performers, but the lead characters have yet to be cast.  And of course there's still the plaguing question, "Will the film actually get made?"

B

Philip Nobile wrote:

I'd be really surprised if they decided to use actual name actors in ape
suits. Baker's ape suits aren't simple costumes - they're basically
machines with experienced operators working them from the inside. Expect
them to hire Baker familiars and experienced "animal actors" like Don
McLeod to actually work inside the suits, with name actors supplying the
voices.

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Brian Dumont wrote:

> Gotta correct you on this one. Rick's designs for the new film (due
> to start filming in October) are prosthetic designs with the actors
> wearing prosthetic teeth as well.

I was hoping you'd chime in, Brian. You think they're going to put
"name" actors under all that shit? As I said, I'd be surpised. Then
again, I'd kill to play an ape in the remake . . . I still think it'll
be nobodies under the gunk, with celebrity voices added later.

> So they are sticking to tradition
> and not going the animatronic route.

Well, now I'm really curious to see these designs. Once I heard Tim
Burton, I assumed it would be real apes with cgi mouths saying the
words, liek that HBO commercial from a couple years back . . .

In a message dated 05/28/2000 12:50:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

> I was hoping you'd chime in, Brian. You think they're going to put
> "name" actors under all that shit? As I said, I'd be surpised. Then
> again, I'd kill to play an ape in the remake . . . I still think it'll
> be nobodies under the gunk, with celebrity voices added later.

There was a name actor playing one of the aliens in (*cough*) Battleship
Earth (*cough cough*).


PMilam

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Philip Nobile wrote:

 
I was hoping you'd chime in, Brian. You think they're going to put
"name" actors under all that shit?

All I can say to that is, "Have you seen the trailers for "Grinch"?

B
 

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Brian Dumont wrote:

>
>
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
>
> I was hoping you'd chime in, Brian. You think they're going
> to put
> "name" actors under all that shit?
>
> All I can say to that is, "Have you seen the trailers for "Grinch"?

Yeeeeeees, but let's say we're going by the amount of makeup used in the
first movie. I can't imagine it'll be less makeup than that. As I like
pointing out to people, POTA was a pretty out there idea at the time. I
think actors on the whole would be less adventurous today. On the other
hand, actors seem to like Time Burton. Anyone have any guesses on which
Burton regulars will show up?

If the lead (Taylor) is young now, I'd say it's Johnny Depp's role to
turn down.

Nicholson would make an interesting Zaius. So would Martin Landau. But
I'll bet Jeffrey Jones ends up as some kind of orangutan. And if it IS
just voice casting, count on Michael Gough showing up as well.

Zira - Winona Ryder?

Cornelius - Lucas Haas? He's got the ears already.

Anyone else?

I'd like to see David Hyde Pearce (sp) from Frasier as Cornelius .
Back to lurk mode
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 28, 2000 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Making monkeys out of prima donnas

>Brian Dumont wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Philip Nobile wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was hoping you'd chime in, Brian. You think they're going
>> to put
>> "name" actors under all that shit?
>>
>> All I can say to that is, "Have you seen the trailers for "Grinch"?
>
>Yeeeeeees, but let's say we're going by the amount of makeup used in the
>first movie. I can't imagine it'll be less makeup than that. As I like
>pointing out to people, POTA was a pretty out there idea at the time. I
>think actors on the whole would be less adventurous today. On the other
>hand, actors seem to like Time Burton. Anyone have any guesses on which
>Burton regulars will show up?
>
>If the lead (Taylor) is young now, I'd say it's Johnny Depp's role to
>turn down.
>
>Nicholson would make an interesting Zaius. So would Martin Landau. But
>I'll bet Jeffrey Jones ends up as some kind of orangutan. And if it IS
>just voice casting, count on Michael Gough showing up as well.
>
>Zira - Winona Ryder?
>
>Cornelius - Lucas Haas? He's got the ears already.
>
>Anyone else?
>
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From: Brian Dumont

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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:34 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Making monkeys out of prima donnas

Sorry Phil,

Gotta correct you on this one.  Rick's designs for the new film (due to start filming in October) are prosthetic designs with the actors wearing prosthetic teeth as well.  So they are sticking to tradition and not going the animatronic route.  They may still use experienced make-up and suit performers, but the lead characters have yet to be cast.  And of course there's still the plaguing question, "Will the film actually get made?"

B

Philip Nobile wrote:

I'd be really surprised if they decided to use actual name actors in ape
suits. Baker's ape suits aren't simple costumes - they're basically
machines with experienced operators working them from the inside. Expect
them to hire Baker familiars and experienced "animal actors" like Don
McLeod to actually work inside the suits, with name actors supplying the
voices.

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I think that most of the subscribers to this list would (if they haven't
already) want to play an ape in a POTA film.

Are you listening Fox?.....a cast of willing extras.... none o' that 'I
ain't wearing /*that*/ stuff and acting like @*&(@£@! ape'

M

Philip Nobile wrote:

> You think they're going to put
> "name" actors under all that shit? As I said, I'd be surpised. Then
> again, I'd kill to play an ape in the remake . . .

Just got mine - having a listen now - very recommended. It contains not
only the entire soundtrack, but also the entire original LP release,
which was actually a specially recorded abbreviation of the film's
soundtrack, incorporating dialogue (and adding a rock beat to the Mass
of the Holy Bomb!)

One thing from the liner notes I never knew - the voice over at the end,
said by some to be Orson Welles, is actually Paul Frees.

Jeff wrote:

>I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
>original. - - - Jeff Krueger

I've got to say I absolutely LOVE Beneath, it's probably joint favourite
with the original. Battle seems to get labelled the worst by most neutrals,
but it'll always have a special place in my heart since it was the first one
I saw.

Alan

The same here, Beneath was the first ape movie I ever saw when it was first
aired on television. Not only did I see it, but my brother and I recorded it
on our tape recorder and heard it million times. VHS was only an idea at the
time.

It got to the point where we heard it so many times that we knew the whole
movie by heart, word for word.
That's just how much we loved POTA when we were kids.
I can't wait to see this remake.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Maxwell <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Jeff wrote:
> >I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
> >original. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
>
> I've got to say I absolutely LOVE Beneath, it's probably joint favourite
> with the original. Battle seems to get labelled the worst by most
neutrals,
> but it'll always have a special place in my heart since it was the first
one
> I saw.
>
> Alan
>
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Well, "Beneath" seems to be the fave sequel for alot of people. Visually,
it rivals the original and, of course, it's the only one with most of the
cast returning. But my vote goes to "Escape" (which happens to be the first
"Apes" production I ever saw). It's got the blandest visuals but the story
and performances always grab me. "Beneath"'s script is a wash as far as I'm
concerned. But the nice thing is that the 5 movies are all so different from
each other and I think that's why they hold the interest. Before "Apes",
sci-fi sequels basically meant remaking the original ("Frankenstein", "The
Fly", what have you). After "Apes", filmakers started taking popular
concepts or characters and shaking them up. George Lucas got alot of credit
for that, but I say it started with "Apes"!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> The same here, Beneath was the first ape movie I ever saw when it was
first
> aired on television. Not only did I see it, but my brother and I recorded
it
> on our tape recorder and heard it million times. VHS was only an idea at
the
> time.
>
> It got to the point where we heard it so many times that we knew the whole
> movie by heart, word for word.
> That's just how much we loved POTA when we were kids.
> I can't wait to see this remake.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alan Maxwell <alan@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil
>
>
> > Jeff wrote:
> > >I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
> > >original. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >
> >
> > I've got to say I absolutely LOVE Beneath, it's probably joint favourite
> > with the original. Battle seems to get labelled the worst by most
> neutrals,
> > but it'll always have a special place in my heart since it was the first
> one
> > I saw.
> >
> > Alan
> >
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"Beneath" I suppose wins the sequel award for me, but it's only an
award I give by default. I really for the most part have little use
for any of the POTA sequels because taken as a whole, they pretty
much cheapen the quality of the magnificence the original film had
(though not to the same embarrassing lengths as say the third and
fourth "Jaws" films did to their brilliant original). "Beneath" at
least revisits the familiar terrain of the original film, but for me
the ending is simply too annoying. Charlton Heston is a man I
admire for a lot of things, but his selling the downer ending after
contributing so little to the film is something I will never forgive
him for. (Heston it seems, has a strange penchant for downer endings
in his sci-fi films, as "The Omega Man" and "Soylent Green" also
attest)

I am probably in the minority of those who enjoy POTA not because of
the ape society or the social comment, but because of the fascinating
character study the film offers in Taylor and his odyssey from
misanthrope to defender of the species only to see his newfound faith
shattered and his original instincts vindicated. To me, the most
interesting sequel idea to explore could easily have left out the
apes altogether and just focused on Taylor and Nova continuing their
journey across what else remained of the Earth, and whether or not
Taylor would be willing to take on the responsibility of reeducating
humanity, or whether he would just decide it was just punishment for
what humanity had wrought in destroying itself, and live out the rest
of his life with Nova as a sheltered recluse in the first sanctuary
he could find. For me, once Taylor and Nova were gone from the
scene, there really wasn't anyone else for me in the films to latch
on too with the same kind of fascination as he provided in the first
film.


Eric Paddon

I have just completed an original POTA fanfic story that is a
crossover with the universe of another favorite sci-fi saga of mine,
the 1978-79 TV series, "Battlestar Galactica." This story, which
took me two years to write and is quite lengthy (1.2 MB) can be found
at the Battlestar Galactica site under "Crossover stories" at
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/bsgtigger/bsg-page.html"

This story represented my desire to offer another take on events
following the end of the original POTA movie, hence it takes place
six months after the original movie and disregards the events of the
sequels, although story elements and ideas from "Beneath" are
retained (in effect here's a variation of the plot of "Beneath" to an
exten) and some subtle nods are made to the rest of the series as
well. I have received a good deal of positive feedback on this
from my fellow "Galactica" fans, including those who had never
appreciated the richness of the POTA saga before and I'm hoping that
some POTA fans will be able to offer their thoughts as well.

I also encourage those of you in this group if you have ever had the
desire to write original fanfic stories of your own set in any part
of the vast POTA universe, whether they represent "filling in the
gaps" (like say the events between "Escape" and "Conquest") or
offering new interpretations on old story ideas, or continuing the
saga where "Battle" left off, to go ahead and do it! Fanfic writing
has become a quite popular feature of other sci-fi web sites
for "Star Trek", "Star Wars", "Battlestar Galactica" and other
classics, and I think POTA could use this dimension too. If a
website would be willing to act as a sort of repository for these
kinds of stories, I think the results would provide a good deal of
enjoyment to all of us.

Eric Paddon

I did the same with ALL 5 MOVIES at an Ape Marathon in a Drive In Theatre -
I was about 12 years old and boy was it hard to stay awake! That was the
first night I saw Conquest, which was always my favourite for the very
reason that it took me a long time to actually SEE it!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [byruiz@...]
Sent: Monday, 29 May 2000 10:07
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil

The same here, Beneath was the first ape movie I ever saw when it was first
aired on television. Not only did I see it, but my brother and I recorded it
on our tape recorder and heard it million times. VHS was only an idea at the
time.

It got to the point where we heard it so many times that we knew the whole
movie by heart, word for word.
That's just how much we loved POTA when we were kids.
I can't wait to see this remake.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Maxwell <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Jeff wrote:
> >I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular than the
> >original. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
>
> I've got to say I absolutely LOVE Beneath, it's probably joint favourite
> with the original. Battle seems to get labelled the worst by most
neutrals,
> but it'll always have a special place in my heart since it was the first
one
> I saw.
>
> Alan
>
>
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>
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.html I too am working on a POTA related story. A novel to be precise. I have placed it such that I can afford not to mention POTA at all, and give the reader the same premise as would anyone coming to the original film for the first time. (The hard part). It is and it isn't a fanfic story. I thought it would be a good idea for someone to wonder at the rest of that world, what did it contain? Who did it contain? It also has a shattering conclusion - one that us humans in the present would find more than a little disturbing, given recent events. We are much closer to a Planet of the Apes than you think...

I am about 3/4 the way through ca. 75000 words of 100,000, 1st draft.

M
 
 

Eric Paddon wrote:
 

lots of stuff on a fanfic story of his

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Howdy,
I was lucky enough to be present when when Bill Mechanic ( CEO of TCF)
addressed the Australian staff on a recent visit to Australia to talk about
upcoming products.
He indicated that the majority of the cast for the new APES movie would most
likely be unknowns.
Read into that what you will.
He was also adamant that they were not going to rush the production for a
Summer '01 release and that they were happy to wait and make it "right". So
it could be an Xmas '01 release if it means making it "right".
He also said that if Matrix 2&3 weren't moving into the Aust. studios after
Star Wars Ep2 that "APES" would have been filmed here at Fox Studios
Australia.
Now, that would have been cool considering we ( Home Ent) are situated on
the lot.
My fantasies of bumping into Lisa Marie in a loin cloth at the coffee bar
have been ruined!
D'oh!

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Philip Nobile wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was hoping you'd chime in, Brian. You think they're going
> > to put
> > "name" actors under all that shit?
> >
> > All I can say to that is, "Have you seen the trailers for "Grinch"?
>
> Yeeeeeees, but let's say we're going by the amount of makeup used in the
> first movie. I can't imagine it'll be less makeup than that. As I like
> pointing out to people, POTA was a pretty out there idea at the time. I
> think actors on the whole would be less adventurous today. On the other
> hand, actors seem to like Time Burton. Anyone have any guesses on which
> Burton regulars will show up?
>
> If the lead (Taylor) is young now, I'd say it's Johnny Depp's role to
> turn down.
>
> Nicholson would make an interesting Zaius. So would Martin Landau. But
> I'll bet Jeffrey Jones ends up as some kind of orangutan. And if it IS
> just voice casting, count on Michael Gough showing up as well.
>
> Zira - Winona Ryder?
>
> Cornelius - Lucas Haas? He's got the ears already.
>
> Anyone else?
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Alan Maxwell wrote:

>
> Battle seems to get labelled the worst by most neutrals,
> but it'll always have a special place in my heart since it was the first one
> I saw.

For me, BATTLE has a special distinction, because it was the one I
almost NEVER got to see. Before talk shows, Channel 7 in New York would
run a 4:30 movie in a 90 minute slot. They'd have theme weeks, like war
movies, Godzilla movies, etc. When Planet of the Apes week would arrive,
they'd spend two days showing the first one; the cliffhanger of part 1
was always Taylor speaking for the first time in front of the apes. So,
they'd only get to Conquest by Friday, never airing Battle in the same
time frame. In fact, the first time I saw it, I had to stay up until 3AM
to watch the damn thing (no VCRs back then).

In a message dated 5/29/00 1:27:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark.gould@... writes:

<< I thought
it would be a good idea for someone to wonder at the rest of that world,
what did it contain? Who did it contain? >>

Hey, I always wondered that too. Were there other apes on the pacific coast,
was there a camp of humans feree from ape rule? was there more breeds of apes?
That's really an untapped content.

Eric Paddon wrote:

>
> I am probably in the minority of those who enjoy POTA not because of
> the ape society or the social comment, but because of the fascinating
> character study the film offers in Taylor and his odyssey from
> misanthrope to defender of the species only to see his newfound faith
> shattered and his original instincts vindicated.

Certainly that's a powerful part of the first film, but I don't think
it's an either/or situation. I can love that aspect of the first film,
fully appreciate it as a stand alone piece, yet still be completely
astonished at the bizarre curve balls the screenwriters created to
further the series. That they made FIVE films so different from one
another, quality aside, is astonishing. Imagine the pitch meetings:
"Taylor goes into the desert, and finds UNDERGROUND MUTANT TELEPATHIC
HUMANS!" It was an insane idea. Then they blow up the world and still
come up with three sequels. Outrageous.


To me, the most

> interesting sequel idea to explore could easily have left out the
> apes altogether and just focused on Taylor and Nova continuing their
> journey across what else remained of the Earth, and whether or not
> Taylor would be willing to take on the responsibility of reeducating
> humanity, or whether he would just decide it was just punishment for
> what humanity had wrought in destroying itself, and live out the rest
> of his life with Nova as a sheltered recluse in the first sanctuary
> he could find. For me, once Taylor and Nova were gone from the
> scene, there really wasn't anyone else for me in the films to latch
> on too with the same kind of fascination as he provided in the first
> film.
>
> Eric Paddon
>
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Yeah, tell me about it.
I wish I had a VCR when they would show the uncut version of Battle, along
with the Return to the Planet of the Apes on saturday mornings.
I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.

What a bummer!

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Alan Maxwell wrote:
> >
> > Battle seems to get labelled the worst by most neutrals,
> > but it'll always have a special place in my heart since it was the first
one
> > I saw.
>
> For me, BATTLE has a special distinction, because it was the one I
> almost NEVER got to see. Before talk shows, Channel 7 in New York would
> run a 4:30 movie in a 90 minute slot. They'd have theme weeks, like war
> movies, Godzilla movies, etc. When Planet of the Apes week would arrive,
> they'd spend two days showing the first one; the cliffhanger of part 1
> was always Taylor speaking for the first time in front of the apes. So,
> they'd only get to Conquest by Friday, never airing Battle in the same
> time frame. In fact, the first time I saw it, I had to stay up until 3AM
> to watch the damn thing (no VCRs back then).
>
>
>
>

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.

They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
terrible.

Yeah, I know the quality wasn't that great but I just wanted to see the
first episode.

Thanks I'll check it out.
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.
>
> They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
> disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
> terrible.
>
>
>
>