You folks may want to try Jeff KMAN at
<Zaius53761@...>

He might be able to find you some cartoons on tape as well as
collections of commercials, interviews and hard to find tv stuff.

brian

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.
>
> They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
> disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
> terrible.

The POTA cartoons had lousy animation and writing (par for the course in
the '70's) but they had an interesting story arc. It was a continuing story
instead of each episode being self-contained like the live-action show. For
those who like POTA stories they're worth a look. They'll probably be
officially released next year with the movie.- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil


> Yeah, I know the quality wasn't that great but I just wanted to see the
> first episode.
>
> Thanks I'll check it out.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil
>
>
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.
> >
> > They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
> > disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
> > terrible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Old school buds here:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/19617/_/959625146/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

My favorite was the one with Dick Dasterdly and Smedly, or was that the ol'
"Stop that Pigeon" cartoon?



Jack Krueger wrote:

> The POTA cartoons had lousy animation and writing (par for the course in
> the '70's) but they had an interesting story arc. It was a continuing story
> instead of each episode being self-contained like the live-action show. For
> those who like POTA stories they're worth a look. They'll probably be
> officially released next year with the movie.- - - Jeff Krueger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil
>
> > Yeah, I know the quality wasn't that great but I just wanted to see the
> > first episode.
> >
> > Thanks I'll check it out.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
> > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil
> >
> >
> > > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.
> > >
> > > They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
> > > disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
> > > terrible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Old school buds here:
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/19617/_/959625146/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Remember the good 'ol days
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>If the lead (Taylor) is young now, I'd say it's Johnny Depp's role to
>turn down.
>
>Nicholson would make an interesting Zaius. So would Martin Landau. But
>I'll bet Jeffrey Jones ends up as some kind of orangutan. And if it IS
>just voice casting, count on Michael Gough showing up as well.
>
>Zira - Winona Ryder?=20
>
>Cornelius - Lucas Haas? He's got the ears already.
>

Yikes!!! You guys have me wishing the movie would just disappear
again.

I'm all for a whole new story, not a remake of the first film. There
can never be a better Cornelius or Zira, so why try?

As for Nicholson, if I never see him ruin another movie, it'll be soon
for me. I hated that he was cast as The Joker---way too
predictable....

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@...> http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/

Wow!
Now that sounds cool.

Thanks Brian, I will.
I just saw POTA on ebay, man they have a lot of stuff!
I really liked the autographed photos, something cool for the site.

If Jeff can get me some rare commercials and interviews, I can mpeg them for
the site.

Thanks again.
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA cartoons


> You folks may want to try Jeff KMAN at
> <Zaius53761@...>
>
> He might be able to find you some cartoons on tape as well as
> collections of commercials, interviews and hard to find tv stuff.
>
> brian
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.
> >
> > They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
> > disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
> > terrible.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
> Remember the good 'ol days
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/9/_/19617/_/959626977/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> I just saw POTA on ebay, man they have a lot of stuff!
> I really liked the autographed photos, something cool for the site.

They guy from Time Machine Collectibles has a monopoly on many of the
POTA autographed pics, and runs websites for many of the supporting
cast. Natalie Trundy sold the original Lawgiver statue through him a
year or so ago.

My favorite Ursus pic ever:

http://www.geocities.com/terminallunch/ursussmoke.jpg

I heard Mathew Maconahey(SP?) is up for the Taylor part. Anyone heard
anything about that?

B

Hunter Goatley wrote:

> >If the lead (Taylor) is young now, I'd say it's Johnny Depp's role to
> >turn down.
> >
> >Nicholson would make an interesting Zaius. So would Martin Landau. But
> >I'll bet Jeffrey Jones ends up as some kind of orangutan. And if it IS
> >just voice casting, count on Michael Gough showing up as well.
> >
> >Zira - Winona Ryder?=20
> >
> >Cornelius - Lucas Haas? He's got the ears already.
> >
> Yikes!!! You guys have me wishing the movie would just disappear
> again.
>
> I'm all for a whole new story, not a remake of the first film. There
> can never be a better Cornelius or Zira, so why try?
>
> As for Nicholson, if I never see him ruin another movie, it'll be soon
> for me. I hated that he was cast as The Joker---way too
> predictable....
>
> Hunter
> ------
> Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
> <goathunter@...> http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> I heard Mathew Maconahey(SP?) is up for the Taylor part. Anyone heard
> anything about that?

Well, you're the man inside, Brian! You tell us.

Hmm. Matthew McConaghey. He's never again equalled his debut in Dazed
and Confused, but he's a better choice than many others his age.

>
> B
>
> Hunter Goatley wrote:
>
> > >If the lead (Taylor) is young now, I'd say it's Johnny Depp's role to
> > >turn down.
> > >
> > >Nicholson would make an interesting Zaius. So would Martin Landau. But
> > >I'll bet Jeffrey Jones ends up as some kind of orangutan. And if it IS
> > >just voice casting, count on Michael Gough showing up as well.
> > >
> > >Zira - Winona Ryder?=20
> > >
> > >Cornelius - Lucas Haas? He's got the ears already.
> > >
> > Yikes!!! You guys have me wishing the movie would just disappear
> > again.
> >
> > I'm all for a whole new story, not a remake of the first film. There
> > can never be a better Cornelius or Zira, so why try?
> >
> > As for Nicholson, if I never see him ruin another movie, it'll be soon
> > for me. I hated that he was cast as The Joker---way too
> > predictable....
> >
> > Hunter
> > ------
> > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
> > <goathunter@...> http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Yeah, and what was happening outside the USA? That was never
addressed.......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: DrEvil86@... [DrEvil86@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 May 2000 1:52
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Original POTA Fanfic Story

In a message dated 5/29/00 1:27:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark.gould@... writes:

<< I thought
it would be a good idea for someone to wonder at the rest of that world,
what did it contain? Who did it contain? >>

Hey, I always wondered that too. Were there other apes on the pacific coast,
was there a camp of humans feree from ape rule? was there more breeds of
apes?
That's really an untapped content.

The quality of those ebay bootlegs is appalling too - making them almost
unwatchable.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 May 2000 3:19
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Speak of the Devil

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> I can't find those POTA cartoons anywhere on tape.

They're all over Ebay. I think if you watch them now, you'll be
disappointed. A friend found them for me a while back, and they were
terrible.

Jeff wrote:

> Well, "Beneath" seems to be the fave sequel for alot of people. Visually,
>it rivals the original and, of course, it's the only one with most of the
>cast returning. But my vote goes to "Escape" (which happens to be the first
>"Apes" production I ever saw). It's got the blandest visuals but the story
>and performances always grab me.

For me, Escape is the weakest of the five. Not just because of the "bland
visuals" (I seem to recall thinking when I first saw it, "this isn't Planet
of the Apes, it's Planet of the Humans") but because of the first half of
the film. I'm not bothered by it being dated, it's just that seems a bit too
comedic. That said, I wouldn't go as far as saying I don't like it. There's
no such thing as a bad Apes movie. :-) However, as soon as Zira says "Shock
my foot, I'm pregnant" the film becomes serious again, and consequently I
love the second half of the film.

Alan

Dr Evil wrote:

>mark.gould@... writes:
><< I thought
> it would be a good idea for someone to wonder at the rest of that world,
> what did it contain? Who did it contain? >>
>
>Hey, I always wondered that too. Were there other apes on the pacific

coast,

>was there a camp of humans feree from ape rule? was there more breeds of

apes?

>That's really an untapped content.

You should both pick up a copy of the Adventure Comics 4-issue miniseries
"Ape City". It tends to provoke a love-it or hate-it reaction from fans, I'm
definitely in with the former. I thought it was great that they tried
something a bit different.

Basic premise: astronauts once again come searching for Taylor, and land in
the future, but this time they land in Europe (France I think). Basically,
the US was ravaged by the nuclear war but Europe remained mostly intact.
Consequently we have a relatively modern ape society, completely oblivious
to what is happening in the US, where apes drive motorcycles, hang out in
nightclubs, fight ninjas...

Alan

I dunno whether or not this has been brought up, but Leonard
Rosenman's original film score to "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
has
been issued, complete and in stereo, by Film Score Monthly. I have
it, and it's great.

www.filmscoremonthly.co

Alan Maxwell mentioned he didn't like the humor in "Escape". Well, I
didn't like the humor in the original ("Human See, Human Do") . I thought it
was very forced most of the time and my one sticking point. But humor is a
proper element, especially with a story that might be hard to swallow. I
thought "Escape " was better than any of the others in handling a
combination of moods. It wasn't one note. Visually it sucked, thanks to the
Fox accountants. And the "modern day" apes had awful costumes. Bill Blake
told me that the production wanted the services of these brothers who were
renown for portraying apes but they insisted on using their own costumes.
This screwed up "Escape" and also "Conquest". But otherwise, "Escape" is my
favorite "Apes" sequel. So there! - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] "Beneath" me?


> Jeff wrote:
> > Well, "Beneath" seems to be the fave sequel for alot of people.
Visually,
> >it rivals the original and, of course, it's the only one with most of the
> >cast returning. But my vote goes to "Escape" (which happens to be the
first
> >"Apes" production I ever saw). It's got the blandest visuals but the
story
> >and performances always grab me.
>
> For me, Escape is the weakest of the five. Not just because of the "bland
> visuals" (I seem to recall thinking when I first saw it, "this isn't
Planet
> of the Apes, it's Planet of the Humans") but because of the first half of
> the film. I'm not bothered by it being dated, it's just that seems a bit
too
> comedic. That said, I wouldn't go as far as saying I don't like it.
There's
> no such thing as a bad Apes movie. :-) However, as soon as Zira says
"Shock
> my foot, I'm pregnant" the film becomes serious again, and consequently I
> love the second half of the film.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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As I said before, I think the sequels must at least be commended for not
replaying the first film. They came up with soem really twisted ways to
keep the story going, and each film adds SOMETHING to the canon:

Beneath: ruins of New York, Alpha/Omega bomb and worshippers and best of
all, Ursus!

Escape: Despite the low price tag, this was one of the more mind bending
trips in the series. Cornelius and Zira go back in time in *Taylor's
ship*. Does Taylor's own arrival in the future directly lead to the
creation of the Planet of the Apes?

Conquest: Pretty humorless and hardcore, considering teh film that
preceded it. Would the revolution have happened if Caesar was not there?
Cornelius mentioned an ape named "Aldo" as being the savior . . .

Battle: Neat Lawgiver wraparound, and crying Caesar statue. Does Aldo
sense Caesar's usurping his role in history? Or does soem revisionism
take place between 2670 and 39 -fifty something?

All powerful concepts to my ten year old brain at the time.

Thanks Philip.
I've created a page on POTA autographs and a link to the time machine as
well.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA cartoons


> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > I just saw POTA on ebay, man they have a lot of stuff!
> > I really liked the autographed photos, something cool for the site.
>
> They guy from Time Machine Collectibles has a monopoly on many of the
> POTA autographed pics, and runs websites for many of the supporting
> cast. Natalie Trundy sold the original Lawgiver statue through him a
> year or so ago.
>
> My favorite Ursus pic ever:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/terminallunch/ursussmoke.jpg
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
> Remember the good 'ol days
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/9/_/19617/_/959631260/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Hey Gang,

Now here's one topic that got my attention, autographs.

Anyone that would like to have second opinions on autographs for sale on eBay
or other sites, feel free to submit or contact us for comment. Sometimes
autographs that pop up on eBay are fakes, and bad ones at that. However,
Terry Martin at TIME MACHINE COLLECTIBLES is probably one of the most
respected people out there dealing. His stuff is always top notch.

There have been a few scam artists trying to sell fakes, sometimes not even
realizing that they've got a Roddy signature on a Kim Hunter photo, etc.

We have an extensive file of letters and signatures from the POTA cast at our
studio, and one of our APEMANIA cast memebrs was a dear friend of Mr.
McDowall, so we are all too happy to help verify signatures. We can also
connect folks with other respected autograph dealers in North America who
also have no problem verifying signatures.

A honorable seller will let you get second opinions before buying, especially
on-line. Beware the ones that don't want second opinions.

Just thought I'd chime in on that one.

Brian
apeman@...

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

> Thanks Philip.
> I've created a page on POTA autographs and a link to the time machine as
> well.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA cartoons
>
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> > >
> > > I just saw POTA on ebay, man they have a lot of stuff!
> > > I really liked the autographed photos, something cool for the site.
> >
> > They guy from Time Machine Collectibles has a monopoly on many of the
> > POTA autographed pics, and runs websites for many of the supporting
> > cast. Natalie Trundy sold the original Lawgiver statue through him a
> > year or so ago.
> >
> > My favorite Ursus pic ever:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/terminallunch/ursussmoke.jpg
> >
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On Sat, 27 May 2000 07:45:56 +0100 Dave Ballard
<dballard@...> writes:

>Salma Hayeck get's my vote!

I remember seeing her in that crappy film with Antonio Banderas and
thinking that she'd make a good Nova if there was a remake.


Chris L.
____

On Sun, 28 May 2000 16:21:33 -0400 Philip <nospam@...> writes:

>Just got mine - having a listen now - very recommended. It contains
>not only the entire soundtrack, but also the entire original LP release,
>which was actually a specially recorded abbreviation of the film's
>soundtrack, incorporating dialogue (and adding a rock beat to the
>Mass of the Holy Bomb!)

>One thing from the liner notes I never knew - the voice over at the
>end, said by some to be Orson Welles, is actually Paul Frees.

That was always my guess until I found out different. Boris Badenov would
be proud to be associated with the Earth's destruction... :-)


Chris L.
____

On Sun, 28 May 2000 09:03:47 +1000 Ken & Heather Taylor
<kentaylor@...> writes:

>> I also think Lisa marie will get the gig as Burton always seems to

find

>> non-speaking roles for her.

>But how will he be able to work in the chihuahuas?

What?? Or should I say "Que??"
____

On Fri, 26 May 2000 09:20:36 EDT "Philip ***" <soylentphil@...>
writes:

>Well, it added three huge elements to the canon:
>
>Telepathic mutants
>End of the world/Alpha Omega Bomb
>Ursus and the line: "The only good human is a dead human!" Even folks
>who haven't seen the films knows where that line is from.

Didn't I read somewhere that the line was a reference to a figure in U.S.
history (can't recall who it was) who once said "The only good Indian is
a dead Indian".

>Ordered my wave 2 of the Medicom figures this week - just beautiful!

Is there a site anywhere that has photos of the figures? Wave 1 and 2?
Are there more coming?


Chris L.



____

On Sun, 28 May 2000 20:07:26 -0400 "Alexander Ruiz"
<byruiz@...> writes:

>The same here, Beneath was the first ape movie I ever saw when it was
>first aired on television. Not only did I see it, but my brother and I
>recorded it on our tape recorder and heard it million times. VHS was

only an idea

>at the time.

>It got to the point where we heard it so many times that we knew the

whole

>movie by heart, word for word. That's just how much we loved POTA when

we were kids.


I recorded all of them off television (The 4:30 Movie of course) every
year. Those of you who watched no doubt remember how badly butchered the
films were (only a 90 minute time slot to begin with). After about 4
years worth of recording (they showed different versions of the films
each year, so you always saw different footage) I pieced together a
complete audio version of BENEATH without ever actually having seen the
movie the full way through (except when CBS ran it in the early 70's, but
I was only about 6 years old at the time and it was 1980 when I was
making the tape). Believe it or not, I got everything in the correct
sequence (I was able to match it up with a version I recorded in the
early 80's- ABC was showing a movie every Saturday night at 11:30). I was
always pretty proud of that. I probably should have pursued a career in
film/sound editing.


Chris L.

____

On Mon, 29 May 2000 11:49:10 -0400 Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
writes:

>For me, BATTLE has a special distinction, because it was the one I
>almost NEVER got to see. Before talk shows, Channel 7 in New York
>would run a 4:30 movie in a 90 minute slot. They'd have theme weeks,

like

>war movies, Godzilla movies, etc. When Planet of the Apes week would
>arrive, they'd spend two days showing the first one; the cliffhanger of

part

>1was always Taylor speaking for the first time in front of the apes.
>So, they'd only get to Conquest by Friday, never airing Battle in the
>same time frame. In fact, the first time I saw it, I had to stay up

until

>3AM to watch the damn thing (no VCRs back then).

Thought I was the only person who remembered The 4:30 Movie. Do you
remember that they had two different music themes (man, I'd love to get
copies of that music). But anyway, they did show BATTLE occasionally.
Sometimes it was on a Sci-Fi week where they'd show things like THE OMEGA
MAN and SOYLENT GREEN, sometimes on Super Hero week with things like
BATMAN (1966) and WONDER WOMAN (1973). I always remember thinking it was
weird that BATTLE was shown by itself as opposed to showing a 4:30 Movie
on Saturday afternoon.

Does anyone remember in 1979 when they ran episodes of the TV series for
the entire week and had Roddy McDowell (as Galen) host each day? I don't
remember them being shown as the prepackaged two hour TV movies, but
rather as one long story. Kinda cool for a 12 year old to see.


Chris L.
____

BENEATH is actually my favorite, and I do agree with Jack that in some
ways it's more popular than the original. And- for the purpose of
discussion- I liked the ending. I thought it was a very powerful
antinuclear war message. Taylor said (or rather implied) that the bomb
was built as a deterrent to nuclear war, much the same way the U.S. and
Russia tried to one-up each other with their respective nuclear arsenals
and the whole M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction) scenario. But I think
one of the message of the film is that the existence of such a
destructive device will eventually assure it's use.

Then you've also got the point of view where Taylor- at the moment of his
death- passed judgement on the world. Or more specifically what it had
become. The Ape Society in some ways had become as bad as the human one
that preceded it, and the surviving "intelligent" humans were still
practicing the same hypocrisy humankind always did
(i.e. "The bomb is a weapon of peace", "We never harm anyone Mr. Brent,
You're going to harm her").

When you think about it, none of the POTA movies have a "happy" ending,
which is usually par for the course for any allegorical story of this
nature.

And just to wrap things up, here's something for BENEATH fans (or any ape
fans) to mull over: Before you even find out that the atomic bomb the
mutants have is the Doomsday bomb, the ending of the film is hinted at in
a BIG way in another scene. Does anyone know what I'm referring to?
Here's a hint: religion figures into the scene in a very subdued manner.

The answer will be forthcoming...


Chris L.




On Thu, 25 May 2000 22:13:03 -0400 "Alexander Ruiz"
<byruiz@...> writes:

>Oh man I loved Beneath, the underground world and the colors used
>were outstanding. My second favorite.
>
>First and second film were truly the best in my opinion.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jack Krueger <williejoe@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:20 PM
>Subject: [pota] Speak of the Devil

>> With all this talk about the "Beneath" CD it's worth mentioning
>that TOMORROW (May 26) is the 30th Anniversary of "Beneath"! Except for
>"Battle" I liked "Beneath" the least but in some ways it's more popular

than

>the original.

____

Jeff wrote:

> Alan Maxwell mentioned he didn't like the humor in "Escape". Well, I
>didn't like the humor in the original ("Human See, Human Do").

I guess that's the thing about humour, different strokes for different
folks. I just thought that after all the other Ape films, seeing Cornelius &
Zira dressing up in 70s clothes, Zira taking a bath, Zira doing a women's
lib speech, etc. just didn't live up to the rest of the films. Of course,
the key factor could be that Escape was the last PotA movie I saw, and
having seen it a long time after the other four perhaps it was always going
to be a disappointment to some degree.

Loved the scene with Cornelius at the boxing match though.

Alan

lawford42@... wrote:

>BENEATH is actually my favorite, and I do agree with Jack that in some
>ways it's more popular than the original. And- for the purpose of
>discussion- I liked the ending. I thought it was a very powerful
>antinuclear war message.

I don't know about all that, I just love it because I love down endings.
Being a young person who grew up with the Star Wars films, I love the SW
series as much as anyone but if there is one bad thing about them it's Star
Wars made happy endings popular again. Miserable endings were quite popular
up until then, and at least four of the Apes films had down endings. Even
Battle's happy ending was tainted with the ambiguous statue scene.

>When you think about it, none of the POTA movies have a "happy" ending,
>which is usually par for the course for any allegorical story of this
>nature.

Hear hear!

>And just to wrap things up, here's something for BENEATH fans (or any ape
>fans) to mull over: Before you even find out that the atomic bomb the
>mutants have is the Doomsday bomb, the ending of the film is hinted at in
>a BIG way in another scene. Does anyone know what I'm referring to?
>Here's a hint: religion figures into the scene in a very subdued manner.

Can't think of it off the top of my head... I'm going to kick myself, I just
know it.

Alan

You know it's a funny thing.
People can say what they want about POTA sequals, but in my point of view,
POTA sequals are ten times better than Star Wars sequals.
Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace proved that theory.

POTA holds up against the best, even 30 years later.
How Interesting.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Maxwell <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] "Escape" Artists


> Jeff wrote:
> > Alan Maxwell mentioned he didn't like the humor in "Escape". Well, I
> >didn't like the humor in the original ("Human See, Human Do").
>
> I guess that's the thing about humour, different strokes for different
> folks. I just thought that after all the other Ape films, seeing Cornelius
&
> Zira dressing up in 70s clothes, Zira taking a bath, Zira doing a women's
> lib speech, etc. just didn't live up to the rest of the films. Of course,
> the key factor could be that Escape was the last PotA movie I saw, and
> having seen it a long time after the other four perhaps it was always
going
> to be a disappointment to some degree.
>
> Loved the scene with Cornelius at the boxing match though.
>
> Alan
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>

And- for the purpose of

> >discussion- I liked the ending. I thought it was a very powerful
> >antinuclear war message.

I would submit however that the first film already made that point
and that in fact, this was nothing more than a case of the studio
bowing to pressure from Charlton Heston. Remember, *no one* thought
of that ending at all until he came up with it, solely as a way for
him to avoid ever appearing in another sequel again. There was no
intent to make an anti nuclear war message at all in the film. And
I think it was a bad decision in every sense.

> I don't know about all that, I just love it because I love down

endings.

I'm the total opposite. I despise them (I'm probably one of the few
people who is sick and tired of all the complaints about the
prologue/epilogue of the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers")
and I also think the idea that down endings are somehow
more "artistic" is a bit of a tired cliche. What astonishes me is
how "Beneath" ended up with a G rating with all the shooting and
violence at the end, culminated with the kind of ending that I don't
think any six year old should have been subjected to.

Eric Paddon

Why didn't Usus do a good job and finish him off properly (Humph!), then
ol' CH wouldn't have needed to worry about appearing again. I think CH
wanted to finish POTA off completely - kinda ; If I don't want any sequels,
then You don't get any.

But then, I find CH's attitude generally a bit hard to swallow.

M

Eric Paddon wrote:

> And- for the purpose of
> > >discussion- I liked the ending. I thought it was a very powerful
> > >antinuclear war message.
>
> I would submit however that the first film already made that point
> and that in fact, this was nothing more than a case of the studio
> bowing to pressure from Charlton Heston. Remember, *no one* thought
> of that ending at all until he came up with it, solely as a way for
> him to avoid ever appearing in another sequel again. There was no
> intent to make an anti nuclear war message at all in the film. And
> I think it was a bad decision in every sense.
>
>

Well, I really don't think that.
Just by him appearing on the Behind the POTA video, no doubt he still loves
the apes.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Gould <mark.gould@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: BENEATH


> Why didn't Usus do a good job and finish him off properly (Humph!), then
> ol' CH wouldn't have needed to worry about appearing again. I think CH
> wanted to finish POTA off completely - kinda ; If I don't want any
sequels,
> then You don't get any.
>
> But then, I find CH's attitude generally a bit hard to swallow.
>
> M
>
> Eric Paddon wrote:
>
> > And- for the purpose of
> > > >discussion- I liked the ending. I thought it was a very powerful
> > > >antinuclear war message.
> >
> > I would submit however that the first film already made that point
> > and that in fact, this was nothing more than a case of the studio
> > bowing to pressure from Charlton Heston. Remember, *no one* thought
> > of that ending at all until he came up with it, solely as a way for
> > him to avoid ever appearing in another sequel again. There was no
> > intent to make an anti nuclear war message at all in the film. And
> > I think it was a bad decision in every sense.
> >
> >
>
>
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lawford42@... wrote:

>
> Didn't I read somewhere that the line was a reference to a figure in U.S.
> history (can't recall who it was) who once said "The only good Indian is
> a dead Indian".

It's been used for more than that . . .

> Is there a site anywhere that has photos of the figures? Wave 1 and 2?
> Are there more coming?

19 total. Here's some pics:

http://home.netvigator.com/~kpmichan/ursus2.JPG
http://home.netvigator.com/~kpmichan/lucius1.JPG
http://home.netvigator.com/~kpmichan/zira1.JPG

Hey everybody,

Someone mentioned several posts back that the Ursus quote was a play on
some famous quote, "The only good indian, is a dead indian." I vaguely
remember hearing that as well. Anybody know who said it and when? I'll try
and research that a bit. Okay, and it's killing me; where the heck is this
religous scene in Beaneath that supposedly foreshadowes the ending? Can't
figure it out, which is kinda dissapointing for me.... :)




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....
____________

I thought the reference was to "Animal Farm", "the only good human is a dead
human?"

B

"Ross T." wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> Someone mentioned several posts back that the Ursus quote was a play on
> some famous quote, "The only good indian, is a dead indian." I vaguely
> remember hearing that as well. Anybody know who said it and when? I'll try
> and research that a bit. Okay, and it's killing me; where the heck is this
> religous scene in Beaneath that supposedly foreshadowes the ending? Can't
> figure it out, which is kinda dissapointing for me.... :)
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
> ____________

Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> I thought the reference was to "Animal Farm", "the only good human is a dead
> human?"

Can't remember that.

Quick costume Q - just saw a chimp costume from Planet where there is no
brown hieroglyphics on the brown bib, but there are hieros on the
sleeves. They, and all leather on the sleeves, are GREEN. Never saw
this before. Any info?

Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?
I noticed some strange combinations in the TV series as well.
One of the chimp surgeons had a blue suit with the brown bib,
but had a medalion hanging over the bib. I'm assuming some
sort of medical symbol/glyph. I've always assumed that the
hieroglyphics indicated social status or possibly...vocation?
Interesting though...

Steve

Philip Nobile wrote:

>
> Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> > I thought the reference was to "Animal Farm", "the only good human is a dead
> > human?"
>
> Can't remember that.
>
> Quick costume Q - just saw a chimp costume from Planet where there is no
> brown hieroglyphics on the brown bib, but there are hieros on the
> sleeves. They, and all leather on the sleeves, are GREEN. Never saw
> this before. Any info?
>
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The background Chimps from BENEATH had no "glyphs" on the chest, and all of the
sleeve leathers were green for the males. The Chest Glyphs on the chimps also
denoted class status, and of course not all chimps were scientist. Some just
visited museums and flea markets on the street.

Some older reels and stills from the films have yellowed or "pinked-out" with
time, so the green leather appears to look brown on film, but they were actually
green.

All of the glyphs were removed for BATTLE, with the exception of the John
Huston's Lawgiver jacket, they left that intact. Reason being? Maybe the apes
hadn't had a society long enough to warrent all the new "glyph-erature".

Background glyphs were made from vacuformed plastic and lined with felt. "Hero"
or principle character glyphs were made from embossed leather, in most cases. So
if you see those babies pop up on eBay, GRAB 'EM!!! They are rare as hell!

brian

Philip Nobile wrote:

>
> Quick costume Q - just saw a chimp costume from Planet where there is no
> brown hieroglyphics on the brown bib, but there are hieros on the
> sleeves. They, and all leather on the sleeves, are GREEN. Never saw
> this before. Any info?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
> Remember the good 'ol days
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/9/_/19617/_/959714332/
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Did the glyphs mean anything? Or was it just artistic licence. did anyone work out
what each symbol meant. I know this sounds crazy, but on some other science fiction
sagas, all this sort of stuff was worked out. A bit like JRRT and his careful
elvish scripts.

M

Steve Temple wrote:

> Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?
> I noticed some strange combinations in the TV series as well.
> One of the chimp surgeons had a blue suit with the brown bib,
> but had a medalion hanging over the bib. I'm assuming some
> sort of medical symbol/glyph. I've always assumed that the
> hieroglyphics indicated social status or possibly...vocation?
> Interesting though...

Attachments :

Not sure what most of them mean, and haven't had a chance to interview Creeber about
it yet, but the CHimps are pretty self explanitory, being scientists and all. For an
example surf to: <http://apemania.com/Glyph.jpeg>

B

Mark Gould wrote:

> Did the glyphs mean anything? Or was it just artistic licence. did anyone work out
> what each symbol meant. I know this sounds crazy, but on some other science fiction
> sagas, all this sort of stuff was worked out. A bit like JRRT and his careful
> elvish scripts.
>
> M
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Glad to see other 4:30 Movie fans out there. That's when TV was TV, before
the cable explosion. I remember they always cut out Taylors soliloquoy in the
ship at the beginning. Puff that stogie, Chuck!

For some reason, William Tecumseh Sherman comes to mind. Either him or
Custer. And look what happened to him!

I agree with the BPOTA comment regarding the "G" rating. It's pretty funny
that POTA got one also. I mean, look at it. Collars, leashes, cages, whips.
The Hunt. Chuck tied up seven different ways to Sunday. Nova and that great
skimpy little outfit! Pretty wild stuff. "Dr Zira's not going to like it. She
wants that pair to mate."

Sometimes they did, but not always. I have it on the audio tapes I
recorded. Hell, that's how I learned that speech- by listening to it over
and over.

You know, to this day I dislike Oprah Winfrey simply because that's what
WABC in New York replaced the 4:30 Movie with.


Chris L.


On Tue, 30 May 2000 18:36:51 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:

>Glad to see other 4:30 Movie fans out there. That's when TV was TV,
>before the cable explosion. I remember they always cut out Taylors

soliloquoy

>in the ship at the beginning. Puff that stogie, Chuck!

____

Sherman sounds like the right answer, but Custer is a good guess as well.


Chris L.


On Tue, 30 May 2000 18:40:39 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:

>For some reason, William Tecumseh Sherman comes to mind. Either him or
>Custer. And look what happened to him!

____

Mark Gould wrote:

>
> Did the glyphs mean anything? Or was it just artistic licence. did anyone work out
> what each symbol meant.

Beats me, but on a set of blueprints from POTA that I have, there's a
font laid out that was never used in the film. Normal alphabet letters,
but in a distinct style.

I'm fairly sure at that point in time the MPAA didn't have the strict
guidelines they do today. Take for example Brent's death scene in
BENEATH- being riddled with bullets and blood spurting out all over the
place. PG-13 today at the very least, and probably an R if the scene was
bloodied up a bit more.


Chris L.


On Tue, 30 May 2000 18:52:20 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:

>I agree with the BPOTA comment regarding the "G" rating. It's pretty
>funny that POTA got one also. I mean, look at it. Collars, leashes,

cages,

>whips. The Hunt. Chuck tied up seven different ways to Sunday. Nova and

that

>great skimpy little outfit! Pretty wild stuff. "Dr Zira's not going to

like

>it. She wants that pair to mate."

____

I have to say this is an absolutely brilliant package. The guy who
produced it (the same person who runs Film Score Monthly) is obviously
not only a fan of Leonard Rosenman but also POTA in general. The liner
notes are very well written (especially the track by track descriptions)
and I think it's very cool that they decided to include the music from
the original soundtrack Lp (which is where all the dialogue bits referred
to below come from). It was also nice to finally know why the music on
the Lp was so different from the score actually used in the movie. My
only complaint (and it's a small one) is that unlike the Mutant Mind
Control SFX, they did not include the "drone" that played in the
background while Brent and Nova were exploring the underground city. I do
like the piece Rosenman composed (a good amount of which ended up being
used during the final scene in the Cathedral) but I thought the drone/hum
gave the scene more of a 'surreal' feel.

Also, the booklet (16 pages) contains a lot of photos, a few of which
I've never seen before (CH relaxing between takes in the jail cell, Linda
Harrison (anyone know who the guy sitting next to her on the bench is?
Ted Post perhaps?) between takes of the Mass of the Holy bomb, a really
cool still of Taylor and Brent fighting. And that one of Taylor
detonating the bomb with Mendez lying dead at the bottom of the steps
(you don't see his body in the film for some reason though).

Needless to say, it's an absolute must for Apes fans. Go to
www.filmscoremonthly.com for all the details.


On Sat, 20 May 2000 18:01:10 -0000 JSe3689836@... writes:

>Just got mine in the mail from Film Score Monthly. In addition to
>music, it also has dialogue bits like Ursus' Speech & Brent's
>Interrogation. "Nova? What's that, some kind of star?" BEEP!

____

On Tue, 30 May 2000 08:25:34 +0100 "Alan Maxwell"
<alan@...> writes:

>I don't know about all that, I just love it because I love down endings.
>Being a young person who grew up with the Star Wars films, I love the
>SW series as much as anyone but if there is one bad thing about them

it's

>Star Wars made happy endings popular again. Miserable endings were quite

>popular up until then, and at least four of the Apes films had down

endings.

>Even Battle's happy ending was tainted with the ambiguous statue scene.

It would have been even more of a downer if they left in the Alpha Omega
bomb footage. It puts the tear rolling down the face of the statue into
more context.

I have to admit that I like down endings sometimes too. And a lot of the
good early 70's Sci-Fi had them too- The Omega Man, Soylent Green, Phase
IV to name a few. Then you have movies like The Exorcist 3 that had a
REAL downer of and ending, especially for the lead character played by
George C. Scott.

>>And just to wrap things up, here's something for BENEATH fans (or any
>>ape fans) to mull over: Before you even find out that the atomic bomb
>>the mutants have is the Doomsday bomb, the ending of the film is hinted

>>at in a BIG way in another scene. Does anyone know what I'm referring

to?

>>Here's a hint: religion figures into the scene in a very subdued

manner.

>Can't think of it off the top of my head... I'm going to kick myself, I

just know it.

>
>Alan

I'm going to give this one more day on the off chance that all the
subscribers haven't read their e-mail. I can't believe I'm the only one
that picked up on it. Here's another hint: although religion figures into
the scene in a very subdued manner, fear is the key element. Think back
to what you learned about religious texts.

Heh Heh Heh.


Chris L.


PS- How many people (besides myself) noticed all the inverted crosses in
the underground city? Just curious...
____

Steve Temple wrote:

>
> Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?

http://simianarms.8m.com///Chimpanzee2/chimpanzee2.html"

Again, it's one of the Background chimps from Beneath.

The background Chimps from BENEATH had no "glyphs" on the chest, and all of
the
sleeve leathers were green for the males. The Chest Glyphs on the chimps
also
denoted class status, and of course not all chimps were scientist. Some
just
visited museums and flea markets on the street.

Some older reels and stills from the films have yellowed or "pinked-out"
with
time, so the green leather appears to look brown on film, but they were
actually
green.

All of the glyphs were removed for BATTLE, with the exception of the John
Huston's Lawgiver jacket, they left that intact. Reason being? Maybe the
apes
hadn't had a society long enough to warrent all the new "glyph-erature".

Background glyphs were made from vacuformed plastic and lined with felt.
"Hero"
or principle character glyphs were made from embossed leather, in most
cases. So
if you see those babies pop up on eBay, GRAB 'EM!!! They are rare as hell!

brian



Philip Nobile wrote:

> Steve Temple wrote:
> >
> > Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?
>
> http://simianarms.8m.com///Chimpanzee2/chimpanzee2.html"
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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As always, Brian got the info. I went and looked at some scenes - can't
believe I never noticed before, but all the background chimps (even in
teh stoning scene from PLANET) are dressed this way. Lazy eyes, I guess.

Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> Again, it's one of the Background chimps from Beneath.
>
> The background Chimps from BENEATH had no "glyphs" on the chest, and all of
> the
> sleeve leathers were green for the males. The Chest Glyphs on the chimps
> also
> denoted class status, and of course not all chimps were scientist. Some
> just
> visited museums and flea markets on the street.
>
> Some older reels and stills from the films have yellowed or "pinked-out"
> with
> time, so the green leather appears to look brown on film, but they were
> actually
> green.
>
> All of the glyphs were removed for BATTLE, with the exception of the John
> Huston's Lawgiver jacket, they left that intact. Reason being? Maybe the
> apes
> hadn't had a society long enough to warrent all the new "glyph-erature".
>
> Background glyphs were made from vacuformed plastic and lined with felt.
> "Hero"
> or principle character glyphs were made from embossed leather, in most
> cases. So
> if you see those babies pop up on eBay, GRAB 'EM!!! They are rare as hell!
>
> brian
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Steve Temple wrote:
> > >
> > > Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?
> >
> > http://simianarms.8m.com///Chimpanzee2/chimpanzee2.html"
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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PS: The Background chimps also had the "knitted" sleeve cuffs sewn into the
jacket/tunic sleeves. they were not part of a longsleeve shirt worn
underneath the tunic like the principle characters wore.

Lucious' costume also had no glyphs on the chest.

B

Brian Dumont wrote:

> Again, it's one of the Background chimps from Beneath.
>
> The background Chimps from BENEATH had no "glyphs" on the chest, and all of
> the
> sleeve leathers were green for the males. The Chest Glyphs on the chimps
> also
> denoted class status, and of course not all chimps were scientist. Some
> just
> visited museums and flea markets on the street.
>
> Some older reels and stills from the films have yellowed or "pinked-out"
> with
> time, so the green leather appears to look brown on film, but they were
> actually
> green.
>
> All of the glyphs were removed for BATTLE, with the exception of the John
> Huston's Lawgiver jacket, they left that intact. Reason being? Maybe the
> apes
> hadn't had a society long enough to warrent all the new "glyph-erature".
>
> Background glyphs were made from vacuformed plastic and lined with felt.
> "Hero"
> or principle character glyphs were made from embossed leather, in most
> cases. So
> if you see those babies pop up on eBay, GRAB 'EM!!! They are rare as hell!
>
> brian
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Steve Temple wrote:
> > >
> > > Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?
> >
> > http://simianarms.8m.com///Chimpanzee2/chimpanzee2.html"
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> PS: The Background chimps also had the "knitted" sleeve cuffs sewn into the
> jacket/tunic sleeves. they were not part of a longsleeve shirt worn
> underneath the tunic like the principle characters wore.

Jesus. I thought they ALL just had little sleeeves sewn in. You're
telling us that the principal chimps were wearing TWO layers of clothing
out in the sun? Haack was a sadist!

> Brian Dumont wrote:
>
> > Again, it's one of the Background chimps from Beneath.
> >
> > The background Chimps from BENEATH had no "glyphs" on the chest, and all of
> > the
> > sleeve leathers were green for the males. The Chest Glyphs on the chimps
> > also
> > denoted class status, and of course not all chimps were scientist. Some
> > just
> > visited museums and flea markets on the street.
> >
> > Some older reels and stills from the films have yellowed or "pinked-out"
> > with
> > time, so the green leather appears to look brown on film, but they were
> > actually
> > green.
> >
> > All of the glyphs were removed for BATTLE, with the exception of the John
> > Huston's Lawgiver jacket, they left that intact. Reason being? Maybe the
> > apes
> > hadn't had a society long enough to warrent all the new "glyph-erature".
> >
> > Background glyphs were made from vacuformed plastic and lined with felt.
> > "Hero"
> > or principle character glyphs were made from embossed leather, in most
> > cases. So
> > if you see those babies pop up on eBay, GRAB 'EM!!! They are rare as hell!
> >
> > brian
> >
> > Philip Nobile wrote:
> >
> > > Steve Temple wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Haven't seen that costume before. Who was wearing it?
> > >
> > > http://simianarms.8m.com///Chimpanzee2/chimpanzee2.html"
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Put Oprah in the Great Hall of the Zaius Museum. That'll learn her!

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> > PS: The Background chimps also had the "knitted" sleeve cuffs sewn into the
> > jacket/tunic sleeves. they were not part of a longsleeve shirt worn
> > underneath the tunic like the principle characters wore.
>
> Jesus. I thought they ALL just had little sleeeves sewn in. You're
> telling us that the principal chimps were wearing TWO layers of clothing
> out in the sun? Haack was a sadist!

Once a Haack, always a hack. Here's another one for you: in ESCAPE when the
three Ape-O-Nauts land on the beach, Roddy McDowall wore his Cornelius tunic
underneath his Appollo suit for many of the shots!!! How's that for devotion?

B

<lawford42@...> wrote:

>Also, the booklet (16 pages) contains a lot of photos, a few of which
>I've never seen before (CH relaxing between takes in the jail cell, Linda
>Harrison (anyone know who the guy sitting next to her on the bench is?
>Ted Post perhaps?)

Yep, it's Ted Post.

Alan

<lawford42@...> wrote:

>PS- How many people (besides myself) noticed all the inverted crosses in
>the underground city? Just curious...

Yeah I noticed that, but it was all over the place wasn't it? I seem to
recall that the inverted cross was a piece of symbolism that was used
extensively in the film.

Alan

I guess I'm just stating the obvious, but they're supposed to represent The
Bomb.

I'm only guessing but the inverted cross is the symbol of the bomb.
Notice how they make that symbolism when they worship the bomb in that scene
with Nova and Brent.

The bomb's symbol is an inverted cross.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Maxwell <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] BENEATH


> <lawford42@...> wrote:
> >PS- How many people (besides myself) noticed all the inverted crosses in
> >the underground city? Just curious...
>
>
> Yeah I noticed that, but it was all over the place wasn't it? I seem to
> recall that the inverted cross was a piece of symbolism that was used
> extensively in the film.
>
> Alan
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://click.egroups.com/1/4748/9/_/19617/_/959811301/
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>
>

Hell yeah!!!


On Tue, 30 May 2000 22:33:25 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:

>Put Oprah in the Great Hall of the Zaius Museum. That'll learn her!

____

>>>And just to wrap things up, here's something for BENEATH fans (or
>>>any ape fans) to mull over: Before you even find out that the atomic
>>>bomb the mutants have is the Doomsday bomb, the ending of the film is
>>>hinted at in a BIG way in another scene. Does anyone know what I'm
>>>referring to? Here's a hint: religion figures into the scene in a very

subdued

>>>manner.


>>Can't think of it off the top of my head... I'm going to kick myself, I

just know it.

>>
>>Alan


>I'm going to give this one more day on the off chance that all the
>subscribers haven't read their e-mail. I can't believe I'm the only
>one that picked up on it. Here's another hint: although religion figures

>into the scene in a very subdued manner, fear is the key element. Think
>back to what you learned about religious texts.
>
>Heh Heh Heh.
>
>
>Chris L.

OK-

It's during the scene in the desert where the Lawgiver appears to the
Gorilla Army. Most every religion (I'm familiar with) has their own
mythology about the end of the world, and a good amount of them indicate
at that point in time, God (or whatever the respective religion's
interpretation of 'God' is) will come back (Christianity in particular
states that Christ will return to Earth). Remember that in the Ape
society, the Lawgiver is perceived much the same way Christianity
perceives Christ: as a prophet. So the vision of the Lawgiver- bleeding,
no less- was a warning to the Apes (and a premonition to the audience) of
what would happen if they continued on. Of course, this brings up the
question of whether or not the mutants knew exactly what type of bomb
they possessed. Were they aware of what it could do and subsequently used
religious symbolism when trying to scare off the Apes? Or did they not
know and tap into the Apes psyche and come up with an image that would
cause fear, and this same image turned out to be a foreshadowing of
things to come. It's actually a pretty disturbing visual when you think
about it- imagine seeing a giant, bleeding, statue of Christ and the type
of reaction it would provoke in people who saw it.

Granted, this is a bit of an interpretation my part, but that's one of
the things I love about this particular movie. A lot of things are
"written in" to the story and you have to take the time to think about
them- it isn't all spoon fed to the audience. Take the inverted crosses-
they represented the bomb, but there wasn't long, lingering images of the
crosses in the film. They were in the background and the viewer had to
pick up on it. Also (like Alex pointed out) the Sign of the Bomb the
mutants made at the end of the Mass was a visual reference to the
bomb/crosses, but how many times did we all watch the movie before it
clicked with us what they were doing?

Anyway, enough rambling for one night.


Chris L.

____

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.html <.html

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> Bomb.jpg shows the symbol of the bomb.

What's really neat is that the base of the Addar Dr. Zaius model kit
duplicates that bomb/cross symbol perfectly. It's a beautiful base for a
kid's model kit from the 70s.

By the way, Alex - just saw your site today - really nice images and
clips. Thanks for making it-

Phil

Wow,

I'm sad to say it, but I must admit it; I never picked up on the
inverted crosses at all, had no clue they were even in the film. Where else
do you see these in the background? Can someone give some specific scenes?
Also, I don't understand that whole Mendez thing on the piano. What does it
all mean? Is it just another tye-in with Battle for the POTA?




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

Ross T. wrote:

>
> Wow,
>
> I'm sad to say it, but I must admit it; I never picked up on the
> inverted crosses at all, had no clue they were even in the film. Where else
> do you see these in the background?

They're on the sliding doors the mutants bring Nova through, right
before Brent tries to kill her with his magical "death kiss".

Can someone give some specific scenes?

> Also, I don't understand that whole Mendez thing on the piano. What does it
> all mean? Is it just another tye-in with Battle for the POTA?
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
>
> ____________

Yeah, the underground mutants of Beneath come from the generations of Mendez
from Battle for the Planet of the Apes.

The Alpha Omega Bomb appears in the movie Battle but later cut, so that the
future would remain more open than sealed.

Sort of like Terminator: "The future is not set."
Pretty Cool, although I would have liked it to remain uncut.
That way the tear from Ceasar's eye at the end of Battle would have made
more sense.
But a tear of sorrow, or tear of joy is how it remained.

The final question "?" To be or not to be.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Ross T. <smoothrt@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Here is the meaning.


> Wow,
>
> I'm sad to say it, but I must admit it; I never picked up on the
> inverted crosses at all, had no clue they were even in the film. Where
else
> do you see these in the background? Can someone give some specific
scenes?
> Also, I don't understand that whole Mendez thing on the piano. What does
it
> all mean? Is it just another tye-in with Battle for the POTA?
>
>
>
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
>
> ____________

Thanks Phil.
Is that your site based on the POTA starship?

That site completely blew me away.
Very cool, a must link once I get to that section on my site.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Here is the meaning.


> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > Bomb.jpg shows the symbol of the bomb.
>
> What's really neat is that the base of the Addar Dr. Zaius model kit
> duplicates that bomb/cross symbol perfectly. It's a beautiful base for a
> kid's model kit from the 70s.
>
> By the way, Alex - just saw your site today - really nice images and
> clips. Thanks for making it-
>
> Phil
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scrap your search engine.
> Inforocket.com is the fast way to the right answer - guaranteed.
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4517/9/_/19617/_/959830927/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> Thanks Phil.
> Is that your site based on the POTA starship?

Nope, different Phil. That guy really did a lot of research! I was
poking around there just today. I was struck by how uninterested he
seemed to be in the "Apes" part of Planet of the Apes. He was definitely
fixated on the ship and astronauts.

Yeah, tell me about it.
Maybe it all had to do with him seeing the ship in person, perhaps it
effected him in some way.

Wild, but very cool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Here is the meaning.


> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Phil.
> > Is that your site based on the POTA starship?
>
> Nope, different Phil. That guy really did a lot of research! I was
> poking around there just today. I was struck by how uninterested he
> seemed to be in the "Apes" part of Planet of the Apes. He was definitely
> fixated on the ship and astronauts.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scrap your search engine.
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Definitely an off beat site. Nice shot of Stewart. Too bad she didn't make
it. " A little late for a funeral...she's been dead nearly a year."

But you have to admit, Phil Broad certainly has had some cool field
trips!!! <http://icarus.simplenet.com/ApesShip/PofA01.htmlintroduction>
He gets our favorite site of the month, every month!

Brian
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for apemania.com

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Phil.
> > Is that your site based on the POTA starship?
>
> Nope, different Phil. That guy really did a lot of research! I was
> poking around there just today. I was struck by how uninterested he
> seemed to be in the "Apes" part of Planet of the Apes. He was definitely
> fixated on the ship and astronauts.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scrap your search engine.
> Inforocket.com is the fast way to the right answer - guaranteed.
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4517/9/_/19617/_/959835894/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

PS: Phil's also got the best photo reference file of Heston's flight suit
before the folks at Western costume washed and shrank it to a child's size!

Brian Dumont wrote:

> But you have to admit, Phil Broad certainly has had some cool field
> trips!!! <http://icarus.simplenet.com/ApesShip/PofA01.htmlintroduction>
> He gets our favorite site of the month, every month!
>
> Brian
> Keeper of the Glue and Faith for apemania.com
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Phil.
> > > Is that your site based on the POTA starship?
> >
> > Nope, different Phil. That guy really did a lot of research! I was
> > poking around there just today. I was struck by how uninterested he
> > seemed to be in the "Apes" part of Planet of the Apes. He was definitely
> > fixated on the ship and astronauts.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Scrap your search engine.
> > Inforocket.com is the fast way to the right answer - guaranteed.
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4517/9/_/19617/_/959835894/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/9/_/19617/_/959862336/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

.html Hi, Ape friends!

Yes, Phil Broad's site is very interesting. Great visual, good informations, a fantastic PLANET OF THE APES site!

Adami
 

<.html

.html Hi Louis,

Yeah, I send all the fans who come to us (looking to get an astronaut suit made) to his Phil's site because there's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much info there, they can pattern and make them themselves.  It's great!

B

tinarosa wrote:

Hi, Ape friends!

Yes, Phil Broad's site is very interesting. Great visual, good informations, a fantastic PLANET OF THE APES site!

Adami

---

<.html

Minus the Apes.

I'm just teasing - it's really an excelent resource. I love that he posted
such big juicy pics. It just cracks me up - parts of the text make it sound
like he's sad that the film's didn't focus more on the ship and astronauts.

>From: tinarosa <tinarosa@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Phil Broad's site.
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:18:37 -0300
>
>Hi, Ape friends!
>
>Yes, Phil Broad's site is very interesting. Great visual, good
>informations, a
>fantastic PLANET OF THE APES site!
>
>Adami
>

____________

I totally agree with you, as I said before, a must link from my site to his.
Great info, great behind the scene pics.

Very cool.
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Phil Broad's site.


> But you have to admit, Phil Broad certainly has had some cool field
> trips!!! <http://icarus.simplenet.com/ApesShip/PofA01.htmlintroduction>
> He gets our favorite site of the month, every month!
>
> Brian
> Keeper of the Glue and Faith for apemania.com
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Phil.
> > > Is that your site based on the POTA starship?
> >
> > Nope, different Phil. That guy really did a lot of research! I was
> > poking around there just today. I was struck by how uninterested he
> > seemed to be in the "Apes" part of Planet of the Apes. He was definitely
> > fixated on the ship and astronauts.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Scrap your search engine.
> > Inforocket.com is the fast way to the right answer - guaranteed.
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4517/9/_/19617/_/959835894/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/9/_/19617/_/959862336/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

http://www.rodserling.com/POTA.htm
____________

Has anybody heard anything new about Volume 2 of the POTA archives
trading cards?

I seem to remember reading awhile back that a 2nd set, dealing
primarily with the TV show was to be produced.

No help from me I'm afraid - but I was also wondering, has anyone else seen
the binder for the original series of cards? I have yet to see one and was
recently informed that they cancelled it.

Anyone got one, or a picture of one?

Alan

I saw one of them (I THINK!) on Ebay not long ago.



Alan Maxwell wrote:

> No help from me I'm afraid - but I was also wondering, has anyone else seen
> the binder for the original series of cards? I have yet to see one and was
> recently informed that they cancelled it.
>
> Anyone got one, or a picture of one?
>
> Alan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Great article, Philip!

Thank you very much!

Adami

Philip *** escreveu:

> http://www.rodserling.com/POTA.htm
> ____________

Yeah, I came across that a few days ago when I was looking for something
else on POTA. It's a great insight on Rod Serling's screenplay.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:13 PM
Subject: [pota] Interesting article


> http://www.rodserling.com/POTA.htm
> ____________

Visited Apemanias site & was glad to see that the Nova Resin Kit will be
coming out soon. Can't wait to get mine! All hail the Keeper of the Glue!

I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.

B

Alan Maxwell wrote:

> No help from me I'm afraid - but I was also wondering, has anyone else seen
> the binder for the original series of cards? I have yet to see one and was
> recently informed that they cancelled it.
>
> Anyone got one, or a picture of one?
>
> Alan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959890952/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

They do pop up there from time to time. I've seen them go as high as $80!!!
YIKES!

B

90-CORVETTE wrote:

> I saw one of them (I THINK!) on Ebay not long ago.
>
> Alan Maxwell wrote:
>
> > No help from me I'm afraid - but I was also wondering, has anyone else seen
> > the binder for the original series of cards? I have yet to see one and was
> > recently informed that they cancelled it.
> >
> > Anyone got one, or a picture of one?
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959890952/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4778/9/_/19617/_/959891354/
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Oh, if you pesky humans only knew what is to come...

Brian
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM

JSe3689836@... wrote:

> Visited Apemanias site & was glad to see that the Nova Resin Kit will be
> coming out soon. Can't wait to get mine! All hail the Keeper of the Glue!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Phone bills too big? Don't worry, beMANY!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4113/9/_/19617/_/959896093/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep, we're pesky alright. "We got off at the wrong stop."

Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:

>I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.

Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.

Alan

Two things:

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian."

- US General Sheridan, according to Eric Greene in his book "Planet of the
Apes as American Myth".

Also - got the Medicom Wave 2 Apes today. Beautiful.

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] Interesting article
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:03:18 -0400
>
>Yeah, I came across that a few days ago when I was looking for something
>else on POTA. It's a great insight on Rod Serling's screenplay.
>
>Alex
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Philip *** <soylentphil@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:13 PM
>Subject: [pota] Interesting article
>
>
> > http://www.rodserling.com/POTA.htm
> > ____________

____________

Attachments :

Here it is Alan, as promised.

Brian

Alan Maxwell wrote:

> Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
>
> Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
>
> Alan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959932976/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Had to put the Lawgiver statue in the back. Showoff . . . :)

>From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
>Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:49:09 -0700
>
>Here it is Alan, as promised.
>
>Brian
>
>Alan Maxwell wrote:
>
> > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> >
> > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959932976/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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____________

Hey Brian, what is this archives all about?
So how I miss out on it.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder


> Here it is Alan, as promised.
>
> Brian
>
> Alan Maxwell wrote:
>
> > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> >
> > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959932976/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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----

Didn't feel like lugging it out of the way, it's heavy as sh**t!

:-)

Philip *** wrote:

> Had to put the Lawgiver statue in the back. Showoff . . . :)
>
> >From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
> >Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:49:09 -0700
> >
> >Here it is Alan, as promised.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >Alan Maxwell wrote:
> >
> > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > >
> > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959932976/
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> >
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>
> ____________

The archives Collector Card series was put out by Inkworks (was it) last year?
You can find full sets minus the "chase cards" on eBay from time to time.
Dealers are constantly selling the chase cards seperately on eBay as well.

B

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

> Hey Brian, what is this archives all about?
> So how I miss out on it.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
>
> > Here it is Alan, as promised.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Alan Maxwell wrote:
> >
> > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > >
> > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959932976/
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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Yeah, I'm just jealous. Pay no attention.

>From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
>Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:13:35 -0700
>
>Didn't feel like lugging it out of the way, it's heavy as sh**t!
>
>:-)
>
>Philip *** wrote:
>
> > Had to put the Lawgiver statue in the back. Showoff . . . :)
> >
> > >From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> > >To: pota@egroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
> > >Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:49:09 -0700
> > >
> > >Here it is Alan, as promised.
> > >
> > >Brian
> > >
> > >Alan Maxwell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > > >
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Thanks for the info.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder


> The archives Collector Card series was put out by Inkworks (was it) last
year?
> You can find full sets minus the "chase cards" on eBay from time to time.
> Dealers are constantly selling the chase cards seperately on eBay as well.
>
> B
>
> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
>
> > Hey Brian, what is this archives all about?
> > So how I miss out on it.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
> >
> > > Here it is Alan, as promised.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Alan Maxwell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Alan
> > > >
> > >
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Hi folks! My pal Natalie Trundy is here Friday and Saturday and said she'd
be happy to answer questions from the group. The widow of Arthur Jacobs and
star of the 4 "Ape" sequels (as mutant, ape and human), Natalie also was the
one who originally found the book and passed it on to Arthur. Send in those
questions and messages!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder


> Thanks for the info.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
>
>
> > The archives Collector Card series was put out by Inkworks (was it) last
> year?
> > You can find full sets minus the "chase cards" on eBay from time to
time.
> > Dealers are constantly selling the chase cards seperately on eBay as
well.
> >
> > B
> >
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Brian, what is this archives all about?
> > > So how I miss out on it.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> > > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:49 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
> > >
> > > > Here it is Alan, as promised.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > Alan Maxwell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > > > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > > > > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
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> > >
> >
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> > > Remember the good 'ol days
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> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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>

Take for example that the bomb is marked alpha-omega, so they praised a bomb
whose symbol is
the same as that of Christ

'I am the Alpha and the Omega'

(but you knew that..)

> Granted, this is a bit of an interpretation my part, but that's one of
> the things I love about this particular movie. A lot of things are
> "written in" to the story and you have to take the time to think about
> them- it isn't all spoon fed to the audience. Take the inverted crosses-
> they represented the bomb, but there wasn't long, lingering images of the
> crosses in the film. They were in the background and the viewer had to
> pick up on it. Also (like Alex pointed out) the Sign of the Bomb the
> mutants made at the end of the Mass was a visual reference to the
> bomb/crosses, but how many times did we all watch the movie before it
> clicked with us what they were doing?
>
> Anyway, enough rambling for one night.
>
> Chris L.
>
> ____

.html Hi, Natalie!

God bless you!

I have a question:

- Arthur P. Jacobs will like to produce a PLANET OF THE APES TV Series, in 1971 or 1972. Do you know what or how Jacobs will be the Jacobs TV series?

Kisses,

Adami and Tina
From Brazil

Jack Krueger escreveu:

Hi folks! My pal Natalie Trundy is here Friday and Saturday and said she'd
be happy to answer questions from the group. The widow of Arthur Jacobs and
star of the 4 "Ape" sequels (as mutant, ape and human), Natalie also was the
one who originally found the book and passed it on to Arthur. Send in those
questions and messages!- - - Jeff Krueger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder

> Thanks for the info.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
>
>
> > The archives Collector Card series was put out by Inkworks (was it) last
> year?
> > You can find full sets minus the "chase cards" on eBay from time to
time.
> > Dealers are constantly selling the chase cards seperately on eBay as
well.
> >
> > B
> >
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Brian, what is this archives all about?
> > > So how I miss out on it.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> > > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:49 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
> > >
> > > > Here it is Alan, as promised.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > Alan Maxwell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > > > >I've got one.  I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
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> >
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> > > Remember the good 'ol days
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> >
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> >
> >
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> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/9/_/19617/_/959969982/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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Hi From Australia Natalie,

Let me say it is an honour to "talk" to you - next to Roddy I think you (and
your late husband) would have to be the most consistent link in the Planet
of the Apes enigma. I am a long time POTA fan since childhood and a
collector of Vintage (and new to a lesser extent) POTA toys and memorabilia.
A few questions:

Are you going to make a cameo appearance in the new movie?

Also, have you been approached for any feedback on script drafts?

I believe you had (and recently sold) the original Lawgiver statue from
Battle - do you have any other trophies (props, costumes, toys etc) and if
so are any of them for sale?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2000 13:55
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Guest starring Natalie Trundy

Hi folks! My pal Natalie Trundy is here Friday and Saturday and said she'd
be happy to answer questions from the group. The widow of Arthur Jacobs and
star of the 4 "Ape" sequels (as mutant, ape and human), Natalie also was the
one who originally found the book and passed it on to Arthur. Send in those
questions and messages!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder


> Thanks for the info.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
>
>
> > The archives Collector Card series was put out by Inkworks (was it) last
> year?
> > You can find full sets minus the "chase cards" on eBay from time to
time.
> > Dealers are constantly selling the chase cards seperately on eBay as
well.
> >
> > B
> >
> > Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Brian, what is this archives all about?
> > > So how I miss out on it.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> > > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:49 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Archives Binder
> > >
> > > > Here it is Alan, as promised.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > Alan Maxwell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:
> > > > > >I've got one. I'll take a foto and e-mail to you if you like.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, that'd be cool. Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books,
> > > > > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to
> > > > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4638/9/_/19617/_/959932976/
> > > >
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> > >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > > ----
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
> > > Remember the good 'ol days
> > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/9/_/19617/_/959968631/
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/9/_/19617/_/959969982/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
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