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Dave Ballard <dballard@...> wrote:

>Sure they'd become endangered and maybe illegal for private citizens
>to own but enough would survive to make a comeback.

There's an interesting thought. Perhaps they kept some cats and dogs, and in
an effort to repopulate the dog and cat world, they resorted to various
genetic experiments. Only the experiments went wrong... and then, in yet
another alternate timeline, man would be all but wiped out by nuclear war,
become subservant to intelligent apes, who in turn would be wiped out in an
ape war. Supernormally intelligent housepets would become dominant but a war
between them would mean that eventually humans and apes would become
extinct, cats would be the wild animals and evolved intelligent dogs would
rule the post-post-post-apocalyptic Earth.

I can see the tagline now... "I can't help feeling somewhere in the universe
there has to be something better than man. And monkeys. And cats. Has to
be."

Coming soon from 20th Century Fox... "Planet of the Dogs", starring Snarlton
Heston.

>And before someone says "It's just a film" It's still fun trying to
>justify and explain everything.

Heck, if it was "just a film" lists like this wouldn't exist!

Alan

"Alan Maxwell" <alan@...> wrote:

Supernormally intelligent housepets would become dominant but a war
between them would mean that eventually humans and apes would become
extinct, cats would be the wild animals and evolved intelligent dogs would
rule the post-post-post-apocalyptic Earth.

I can see the tagline now... "I can't help feeling somewhere in the universe
there has to be something better than man. And monkeys. And cats. Has to
be."


Alan, whatever medication you're on I want some!

Dave B.

In a message dated 6/6/2000 12:43:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:

<<
Cornelius tells a story that could support either argument - he says that
the ape who first said "no" was Aldo. This could mean that Aldo was
SUPPOSED to be the savior, and Caesar's arrival messed all that up. Since
Aldo was a complete idiot, however, I think that Caesar was always the ape
messiah, and somewhere along the way, gorillas gained more power, and some
revisionist history was written.

Yeah, I know it's all nothing but a bunch of continuity goofs, but it's fun
to connect the dots. >>
That's my theory too. I think that the Gorilla's loyal to Aldo kept saying he
was te real savior, and after hundreds of years, well, people beleived that
as truth

mflulder@... wrote:

> That's my theory too. I think that the Gorilla's loyal to Aldo kept saying he
> was te real savior, and after hundreds of years, well, people beleived that
> as truth.

We can already see that theory in effect. Hail Bill Clinton, the Great Lawgiver!

>Well, my only question to all of this is how can anyone link the WEST COAST
>Apes to the EAST COAST Apes.

Where does it ever say they were on the West Coast? The only ID we ever see
for Conquest is "North America - 1991".

>Aldo, according to Cornelius was a Chimpanzee not a Gorilla.

I'll check, but I don't think he ever said that. He only referred to Aldo
as "an ape".

____________

> Where does it ever say they were on the West Coast? The only ID we ever

see

> for Conquest is "North America - 1991".

Well, here I am applying to the POTA magazine that I have from 1973.

> I'll check, but I don't think he ever said that. He only referred to Aldo
> as "an ape".

Cornelius states it as being proud that it is of his ape race, chimpanzee.
At least thats the way I understand that scene.

But now you can see why timelines are always a issue of debate.
Nothing is really clear.

As in Terminator: the future is not set, but on the other hand, Cameron is
now gearing up for Terminator 3: Armageddon

So is the future not set or is it?
I guess thats only in the hands of 'Not God' but Hollywood and ticket sales
:)

Alex

>Well, here I am applying to the POTA magazine that I have from 1973.

Ah, you have to toss that all out and stick to the five films. Play fair :)


____________

>Alan, whatever medication you're on I want some!

If I ever come up with a sequel entitled Planet of the Stoats, please shoot
me.

Alan

Philip Nobile <soylentphil@...> wrote:

>>Well, here I am applying to the POTA magazine that I have from 1973.
>
>Ah, you have to toss that all out and stick to the five films. Play fair

:)


Of course if you chuck the TV series into the mix as well, there's even more
east/west confusion!

Not to mention a headache.

Alan

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No matter how virulent a plague or virus may happen to be it never wipes out 100% of its victims.

 This one did.  It was a space dog (called Taylor) - a bit like the Bionic dog...........

 

Michael 

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I love this stuff. Some of the theories that are posited cause my
little human brain to hurt. No doubt part of the great ape plan.
Here's one. Ever notice the ship time before Chuck goes off to his
hibernaculum? I believe it's 7/14/1972. Bastille Day. An homage to
Pierre Boulle? Something to mull over. Best regards, John.

Howdy. Let's get to it then:

1. Did those Lego figures ever get released? I realise they are probably not
avaiilable in my country (or at least not officially released) but I just
wanted to confirm that they had been released.

2. Medicom figures - are there any further details of the ones which haven't
been released yet? I've seen the list of names, but I was just wondering if
there was any more info - specifically, has it been confirmed that the
"Greatest Ape" is the Lawgiver, and what exactly is Caesar's land ape?

3. Somebody (Adami I think?) mentioned a new PotA book, from Spain this
time. Can someone please post the URL for more details, as I appear to have
lost it. Thanks.

Alan

.html Hi, Allan Maxwell and all other PLANET OF THE APES fans!

About your question #3:
 

3. Somebody (Adami I think?) mentioned a new PotA book, from Spain this
time. Can someone please post the URL for more details, as I appear to have
lost it. Thanks.

Alan

Book title:EL PLANETA  DE LOS SIMIOS - REALIDAD O FICCIÓN? (Spanish title) or PLANET OF THE APES - REALITY OR FICTION? (English title, probably...).

Book edition:
Madri, Spain, 1999

Book index:
Introduction;
Synopsys;
The movie;
The director;
The actors;
The sequences;
Press kit;
Cast & Crew members;
Bibliography;
Index.

Book author:
SANTI HERNÁNDEZ

Book editor:
MIDONS EDITORIAL

Book editor address:
MIDONS EDITORIAL
Fernando VI, 8  1º
28004 Madrid
SPAIN
e-mail: celeste@...
URL: www.celesteediciones.com

OK?

Bye for now,

Adami

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I realize that this is going to be something of a tease because I can't
actually share it with group just yet, but I've written a timeline for
the upcoming 'Planet of the Apes Revisited' book that takes into account
(and explains) all the different things that have been discussed
recently. In addition to ironing out all the contradictions (and there
were a few) things like the different ape settlements (East and West
coast, plus others) are included, the alternate timeline cause and effect
stuff, what POTA stories do and don't fit into the timeline and why, and
a hell of a lot more. For a frame of reference I started with things that
either actually happened, or were specifically referred to in the
movies/TV series, and then went from there. It maps things out quite
thoroughly but leaves room for inclusions should new stories be
written/filmed down the road. I even addressed all the contradictions
that have popped up over the years (3978 vs. 3955, etc). Unfortunately,
until the book is published I can't post it in any public forum, and I
kindly ask those few of you who have seen the timeline to please keep it
to yourself until the book is actually out.

This was written with the intent on creating a definitive point of
reference for Apes fans. Some of the timelines I've seen over the years
have always bothered me because they've either contained painfully
obvious mistakes, or- worse yet - attempted to fit every single Apes
story ever into said timeline. I've found that certain things fall more
under the category of stories inspired by the POTA mythos as opposed to
ones that fit into the timeline as we know it. The cartoon series is a
perfect example of this. It takes place in 3979- one year after the date
in the original movie (which itself was wrong as the year was actually
3955). The Astronauts wouldn't have a planet to splash down on at that
point in time as the Earth would have been gone for nearly 25 years.
Don't get me wrong- I really like the cartoon series. In fact, it's the
closest any Apes story has come to Boulle's original novel. It simply
doesn't fit in the timeline the way the movies and TV series does.

So everyone please be patient, as all your questions will be answered
soon.


Chris L.


____

That is great Chris, I can't wait to read it.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:36 PM
Subject: [pota] timeline


> I realize that this is going to be something of a tease because I can't
> actually share it with group just yet, but I've written a timeline for
> the upcoming 'Planet of the Apes Revisited' book that takes into account
> (and explains) all the different things that have been discussed
> recently. In addition to ironing out all the contradictions (and there
> were a few) things like the different ape settlements (East and West
> coast, plus others) are included, the alternate timeline cause and effect
> stuff, what POTA stories do and don't fit into the timeline and why, and
> a hell of a lot more. For a frame of reference I started with things that
> either actually happened, or were specifically referred to in the
> movies/TV series, and then went from there. It maps things out quite
> thoroughly but leaves room for inclusions should new stories be
> written/filmed down the road. I even addressed all the contradictions
> that have popped up over the years (3978 vs. 3955, etc). Unfortunately,
> until the book is published I can't post it in any public forum, and I
> kindly ask those few of you who have seen the timeline to please keep it
> to yourself until the book is actually out.
>
> This was written with the intent on creating a definitive point of
> reference for Apes fans. Some of the timelines I've seen over the years
> have always bothered me because they've either contained painfully
> obvious mistakes, or- worse yet - attempted to fit every single Apes
> story ever into said timeline. I've found that certain things fall more
> under the category of stories inspired by the POTA mythos as opposed to
> ones that fit into the timeline as we know it. The cartoon series is a
> perfect example of this. It takes place in 3979- one year after the date
> in the original movie (which itself was wrong as the year was actually
> 3955). The Astronauts wouldn't have a planet to splash down on at that
> point in time as the Earth would have been gone for nearly 25 years.
> Don't get me wrong- I really like the cartoon series. In fact, it's the
> closest any Apes story has come to Boulle's original novel. It simply
> doesn't fit in the timeline the way the movies and TV series does.
>
> So everyone please be patient, as all your questions will be answered
> soon.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> ____

Here's a brief recap of Dehn's original outline for Conquest:

From the Greene book:

In the original Conquest outline, Z & C's son, now renamed Caesar, is
evading the authorities by masquerading as a human named "Caesar the
Monkey-Faced Boy" in Armando's circus. When the government begins to
suspect that he is not a human "freak" but an ape, he runs away on
Armando's suggestion.

Meanwhile, a plague accidentally brought back to earth by astronauts,
which is harmless to humans, kills off all the dogs and cats. Apes are
taken into homes as pets, etc., etc., and made into slaves. Caesar is
eventually captured and sold into bondage. Once enslaved, he starts
teaching the other apes to resist. Caesar later meets Wayne, one of the
astronauts who brought back the plague. Feeling guilty for both the
animal deaths caused by the germ he was carrying and for the resulting
ape enslavement, Wayne dedicates himself to ape liberation. Caesar
reveals his identity and parentage to Wayne, who then buys Caesar from
his cruel master. Eventually, as in the final film, Caesar leads the
apes in a revolution that frees them from captivity.

Dehn's outline is filled with explicit comparisons of the apes'
oppression to that of Africans. He outlines an "Ape Slave Trade". Dehn's
treatment unambiguously demonstrates that he was basing the story on the
tension between black radicals and white liberals. Dehn describes the
interaction between Caesar and Armando when Caesar and Wayne come to
recruit his help. "We begin to suspect that Caesar is being nice to
Armando because he wants to *use* him. Does he feel the same way about
Wayne? (Compare a black man using a liberal white for the same end.)"
He then notes of the characters Caesar and Wayne: "Both were previously
in favor of peaceful demonstrations. Now Caesar is for violence. Wayne
works for ape liberation; Caesar, for Ape Power."

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=346530472

In the top left pic, you can see the deleted scene with Kolp and Alma in
front of the Alpha Omega bomb.
____________

Adami - Thanks for the information on the book.

Alan

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=346530472
>
> In the top left pic, you can see the deleted scene with Kolp and Alma in
> front of the Alpha Omega bomb.

Yeah, thats the same image on the back of the video.
When I first saw it I said Yeah! they have it!
But little did I know, it was just a tease :(

Alex

> Yeah, thats the same image on the back of the video.
> When I first saw it I said Yeah! they have it!
> But little did I know, it was just a tease :(

They also included the photo on the Inkworks card set.
It would be nice to have the footage restored when the
DVD comes out. Who's our DVD guru around here...Ken?
Any idea of the special features they might be adding to
the DVD's? (interviews, animation, screen savers, etc)

I'm told they're adding nothing to those DVDs, simply issuing the 30th
anniversary THX transfers on DVD. The only thing you can hope for is that
they reissue the whole thing when the remake comes out, but I just don't see
Fox putting that much time into a deluxe DVD of Battle . . .

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Missing scene from Battle
>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:25:51 -0500
>
> > Yeah, thats the same image on the back of the video.
> > When I first saw it I said Yeah! they have it!
> > But little did I know, it was just a tease :(
>
>They also included the photo on the Inkworks card set.
>It would be nice to have the footage restored when the
>DVD comes out. Who's our DVD guru around here...Ken?
>Any idea of the special features they might be adding to
>the DVD's? (interviews, animation, screen savers, etc)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Old school buds here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/19617/_/960409935/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

____________

Get yourselves the Japanese Laser Disc set - it has all the scenes on it
including Aldo on the bus!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [soylentphil@...]
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2000 6:53
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Missing scene from Battle

I'm told they're adding nothing to those DVDs, simply issuing the 30th
anniversary THX transfers on DVD. The only thing you can hope for is that
they reissue the whole thing when the remake comes out, but I just don't see
Fox putting that much time into a deluxe DVD of Battle . . .

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Missing scene from Battle
>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:25:51 -0500
>
> > Yeah, thats the same image on the back of the video.
> > When I first saw it I said Yeah! they have it!
> > But little did I know, it was just a tease :(
>
>They also included the photo on the Inkworks card set.
>It would be nice to have the footage restored when the
>DVD comes out. Who's our DVD guru around here...Ken?
>Any idea of the special features they might be adding to
>the DVD's? (interviews, animation, screen savers, etc)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Old school buds here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/19617/_/960409935/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

____________

> I'm told they're adding nothing to those DVDs, simply issuing the 30th
> anniversary THX transfers on DVD. The only thing you can hope for is that
> they reissue the whole thing when the remake comes out, but I just don't

see

> Fox putting that much time into a deluxe DVD of Battle . . .
>

What's the latest on that Fox POTA game?
Anyone know when it's being released?

Alex

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< This was on Cinescape this morning: >

'Apes' Casting Candidates
As the start of production on Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes remake
slowly looms, there's word of two name actors said to be potential
candidates to join the cast of the film. According to the Hollywood Reporter,
on Monday, Burton is reported to have met with Matt Damon regarding the
film's lead human role. At this point, Damon is said to be waiting the most
recent revision of the film's script before making a decision. The trade reports
that the latest version is due within the next two weeks.

In addition, Damon is also said to be mulling jumping into the Doug Liman
helmed Bourne Identity at Universal Pictures. Both films are scheduled
to start
shooting in the fall. Regardless if Damon joins or not, this meeting
would seem
to confirm previous rumors that Bill Broyles' script had "youthifiied"
the Apes concept.

Meanwhile, the trade is also reporting that Burton is toying with the idea
of reteaming with Danny DeVito, who he worked with in Batman Returns, for
Apes. Word has it that should DeVito join the project, he'll have to be
back in
make up again as one of the film's apes.

.html No problem Al,

I like to do my part to keep folks connected.  Besides, you never know what may fall into your lap because of this whole internet thingy.  Last year, Maurice Evans' ORIGINAL Dr. Zaius jacket came into my possession thanx to "being connected" in cyber-space.

Back to rare TV stuff now,  DID anyone ever get a copy of the TV shows when they were aired as TV movies back in the 1980's?  Roddy was made up as an aging GALEN, and hosted the 5 night run from an attic filled with stuff, including a Mego astronaut doll. I thought the idea of aging Galen was cool at the time, eventhough it looked a bit shabby.  It aired locally on KTLA (Channel 5).

Just wondering.

Brian

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

Hey Brian.Thanks a million for the KAMN connection. I now have 6 to 7 POTA MEGO commercials.Lost scenes on Planet, Beneath and Battle (Alpha-Omega)Simpson SpoofsInterveiws with Roddy McDowall, Heston and Hunter.T.V. Series Vol 1And all 13 episodes on the Cartoon Series. Multimedia Site, for the fans, by the fans. Thanks again buddy.Alex P.S. Jeff whenever you get a hold of your Battle Tape, please still do send it, the lost scenes are just the scenes themselves.And I would like to get the full version of it. Thanks bud.Alex

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Alex wrote:Hey Brian.
Thanks a million for the KAMN connection.

Hey, what's this KAMN connection... Have I missed a message or two.

Regarding casting rumours I suppose it's a given that if Tim Burton
is in charge then Danny Elfman will be supplying the music?

>
> > Hey Brian.Thanks a million for the KAMN connection. I now have 6 to 7
> > POTA MEGO commercials.Lost scenes on Planet, Beneath and Battle
> > (Alpha-Omega)

Could you monkeys tell the rest of us what you're talking about? What lost
scenes from Planet and Beneath? And where did you get them? Hording
information makes baby Jesus cry.

____________

Documentary filmmaker is search of POTA fan(atic)s (especially collectors)
in the washington, d.c./baltimore area. I would appreciate responses from
interested parties who feel they have important information onthe POTA
series.
email me at christo99@...

> Could you monkeys tell the rest of us what you're talking about? What lost
> scenes from Planet and Beneath? And where did you get them? Hording
> information makes baby Jesus cry.

I can tell I'm not the only one interested in this...
Is this one of those deals where we might be able to bribe
someone into making some VHS copies for those interested?
I'd really like to see those old Mego commercials again!

I have the Mego commercials, the Battle laserdisc dub, and the complete
makeup test (thanks to Jim Burns), but I wanna know what these lost scenes
from Planet and Battle are!! Give it up!

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Tapes
>Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:30:31 -0500
>
> > Could you monkeys tell the rest of us what you're talking about? What
>lost
> > scenes from Planet and Beneath? And where did you get them? Hording
> > information makes baby Jesus cry.
>
>I can tell I'm not the only one interested in this...
>Is this one of those deals where we might be able to bribe
>someone into making some VHS copies for those interested?
>I'd really like to see those old Mego commercials again!
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>http://click.egroups.com/1/4113/9/_/19617/_/960479321/
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>
>
>

____________

I know this is rather naive of me but I would have thought that FOX
would have to offer something new on the upcoming DVD's seeing as
we've all very recently shelled out for the video set.

Personally I will not buy a DVD simply to replace one of my videos
unless the title offers something substantially different to merit
paying out again. Of course I would probably break this rule for the
Ape movies but that's me, a die hard Ape fan.I can't see Joe Public
feeling the same way.

Just for fun here's my wish list of what the DVD's might contain.

Commentaries from a selection of stars and production personnel
The entire test reel for POTA
Deleted scenes
Behind the pota as a free 6th disc
A fully restored Conquest with all the bits they censored and original ending
A fully restored Battle for the pota

Come on guys, let's see some additions to this list. You never know,
someone from Fox may be watching.

.html I'll vote for that. The time is right for full, unabridged versions of the films. DVD would be a very good reason for it. Plus all those bits they didn't include in the first place.

Regards the casting post: what are they up to?

M

Dave Ballard wrote:

I know this is rather naive of me but I would have thought that FOX would have to offer something new on the upcoming DVD's seeing as we've all very recently shelled out for the video set.

Personally I will not buy a DVD simply to replace one of my videos unless the title offers something substantially different to merit paying out again. Of course I would probably break this rule for the Ape movies but that's me, a die hard Ape fan.I can't see Joe Public feeling the same way.

Just for fun here's my wish list of what the DVD's might contain.

Commentaries from a selection of stars and production personnel
The entire test reel for POTA
Deleted scenes
Behind the pota as a free 6th disc
A fully restored Conquest with all the bits they censored and original ending
A fully restored Battle for the pota

Come on guys, let's see some additions to this list. You never know, someone from Fox may be watching.

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> Could you monkeys tell the rest of us what you're talking about? What lost
> scenes from Planet and Beneath? And where did you get them? Hording
> information makes baby Jesus cry.

O.K. stop your cying baby Jesus :)
I've been working nights this week at my job and I just woke up.
Here is what it is:
Lost scenes of Beneath: Clip of Ursus Speach, Gorilla fires machine gun in
prison cell with Nova, Bent and Taylor and Zaius and Ursus in the steam
room.

Lost scene of POTA. Taylor speaking to nova after his Damb Dirty Apes Scene
in the Cell.

Lost Scene of Battle: Alpha-Omega of course.

Most likely you have most of the things I placed on that prior list, if you
don't, e-mail:
Zaius53761@...

His name is Jeff, better know as KAMN, he sells rare footage of ape stuff on
video, plus a few collectables. Soon I will be placing most of this rare
stuff on my site for all fans to enjoy. (these are videos not offered in the
market) that's why there rare. Just things that die hard fans will enjoy.

Later
Alex

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Ballard

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:34 PM

Subject: [pota] DVD wish list

I know this is rather naive of me but I would have thought that FOX would have to offer something new on the upcoming DVD's seeing as we've all very recently shelled out for the video set.

Personally I will not buy a DVD simply to replace one of my videos unless the title offers something substantially different to merit paying out again. Of course I would probably break this rule for the Ape movies but that's me, a die hard Ape fan.I can't see Joe Public feeling the same way.

Just for fun here's my wish list of what the DVD's might contain.

Commentaries from a selection of stars and production personnel
The entire test reel for POTA
Deleted scenes
Behind the pota as a free 6th disc
A fully restored Conquest with all the bits they censored and original ending
A fully restored Battle for the pota

Come on guys, let's see some additions to this list. You never know, someone from Fox may be watching.

<.html

Jeff KAMN, has just about everything remotely related to TV apes on video. Contact him at: Zaius53761@...

Brian

Dave Ballard wrote:

> Alex wrote:Hey Brian.
> Thanks a million for the KAMN connection.
>
> Hey, what's this KAMN connection... Have I missed a message or two.
>
> Regarding casting rumours I suppose it's a given that if Tim Burton is in charge then Danny Elfman will be supplying the music?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ballard [dballard@...]
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2000 2:35
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] DVD wish list

I know this is rather naive of me but I would have thought that FOX would have to offer something new on the upcoming DVD's seeing as we've all very recently shelled out for the video set.

Personally I will not buy a DVD simply to replace one of my videos unless the title offers something substantially different to merit paying out again. Of course I would probably break this rule for the Ape movies but that's me, a die hard Ape fan.I can't see Joe Public feeling the same way.

Just for fun here's my wish list of what the DVD's might contain.

Commentaries from a selection of stars and production personnel
The entire test reel for POTA
Deleted scenes
Behind the pota as a free 6th disc
A fully restored Conquest with all the bits they censored and original ending
A fully restored Battle for the pota

Come on guys, let's see some additions to this list. You never know, someone from Fox may be watching.

<.html

> ...Ken?
> Any idea of the special features they might be adding to
> the DVD's? (interviews, animation, screen savers, etc)
>
> From what I know so far, the DVD box set includes the "Behind the POTA" as
> a 6th disc. "Planet" will feature a photo gallery and original trailers
> for all 5 films ( I'm guessing one from each film). The moment I heard
> about the plans for the U.S DVD release I shot off an e-mail to my contact
> in L.A. to draw their attention to the complete version of "Battle" that
> had been released on LD in Japan. He said he'd pass the information on to
> the relative parties but I haven't heard since which version it is. My
> guess is that as the VHS versions where remasted by THX and if the DVD
> versions are struck from the same THX masters, then Fox may not have
> invested in remastering the extended version of BATTLE in THX . I am just
> speculating. I'll post any more info as it comes to hand. As I work for
> Fox Home Ent. in Australia, we are a subsiduary of TCFHE International, a
> different division to TCFHE ( domestic) so I don't have any direct
> contacts in that division. I have quite the reputation in our company (
> across many territories) for being Fox Home Ent's prime "APE" aficionardo
> and probably would have been consulted on what to include had the DVD box
> set been a TCFHE International initiative. I'm surprised that Fox hasn't
> solicited the advice of Kevin Burns ( producer of "Behind") when preparing
> the DVD release as he would have much interesting research material and
> interviews that were shot for the Documentary that they may have been able
> to use.

Best,KEN

Christopher,

how I can help you?

Adami
(from Brazil)

Christopher Carr escreveu:

> Documentary filmmaker is search of POTA fan(atic)s (especially collectors)
> in the washington, d.c./baltimore area. I would appreciate responses from
> interested parties who feel they have important information onthe POTA
> series.
> email me at christo99@...
>
>

Attachments :

Check out the E-mail from Byruiz@ bellsouth.com 6/7/00 for answers to your
question.

Ken, I knew you were the best contact on this info.
Thanks a bunch for the info!!!

Steve

>>I have quite the reputation in our company (
> > across many territories) for being Fox Home Ent's prime "APE" aficionardo
> > and probably would have been consulted on what to include had the DVD box
> > set been a TCFHE International initiative.

> Best,KEN

Michael Whitty <whitty@...>

>Also, I think they could add the Cartoon series although I have been told
>that Fox no longer own the rights to the "Return" series - anyone know who
>does?

Don't know if this helps or not, but the last place I saw it appear (bearing
in mind I'm the UK) was on the European end of the Sci-Fi Channel (but only
on their cable service).

Alan

If anyone doesn't know already there's some news on the DVD's at the
Forbidden Zone web-site plus a link where you can order them from
Amazon.Com for just $69.99.

Dave B

Thanks Dave!
I'm placing a link to the site for latest written news on remake, while I'll
be covering the media aspect of it.

Thanks again
Alex

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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 6:14 AM
Subject: [pota] DVD's


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> Amazon.Com for just $69.99.
>
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Attachments :

In a message dated 6/12/2000 11:48:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ztainment@... writes:

<< 'APES' BOX SET COMING SOON
FOX Home Video has announced an August 15th release for its
6-DVD PLANET OF THE APES box set, collecting the five films
PLANET OF THE APES, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES, ESCAPE
FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES, and BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES with a sixth
disc of extras like interviews, behind-the-scenes footage,
concept art & storyboards, and the two-hour BEHIND THE
PLANET OF THE APES documentary. The release will be
limited to 150,000 copies and will be the only place
to get many of the movies on DVD.
http://www.foxhome.com

>>

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>What's the latest on that Fox POTA game?
>Anyone know when it's being released?

I noticed recently that Fox Interactive had "Planet of the Apes preview
coming soon" on their website. It stayed like that for ages. They've finally
totally revamped their page, but it still seems pretty Apeless.

Alan

Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...> wrote:

>Back to rare TV stuff now, DID anyone ever get a copy of the TV shows
>when they were aired as TV movies back in the 1980's? Roddy was made up
>as an aging GALEN, and hosted the 5 night run from an attic filled with
>stuff, including a Mego astronaut doll.

These "movies" have been recently aired several times in the UK, but sadly I
don't think the "old Galen" footage has ever been used.

Alan

Totally off subject...but would anyone be interested in using the
chat feature on egroups if we scheduled a time? With the recent
opportunity to talk with Natalie Trundy, I thought it would be a great
opportunity to talk live with some of the list members (and by no means
interrupting or replacing the list as it is). Maybe one night per week?
Thoughts/comments?

Steve

That's a great idea Steve,

I would definitely like to participate in a chat sessions with everybody
on the list. I know there's POTA chat rooms out there, but it seems that
nobody's ever in them when I try and talk. If we could set up a system, and
get into a habit of all going in a chat room on a designated night once a
week or so, that would be terrific. Obviously not everyone would do it, and
some people would skip a week or two, but I think it'd be a lot of fun, and
informative too. Anyone else feel as positive as I do about Steve's idea?




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

I'm all for it.


Chris L.


On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:56:24 -0500 Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
writes:

>Totally off subject...but would anyone be interested in using the
>chat feature on egroups if we scheduled a time? With the recent
>opportunity to talk with Natalie Trundy, I thought it would be a
>great opportunity to talk live with some of the list members (and by no
>means interrupting or replacing the list as it is). Maybe one night per

>week?

>Thoughts/comments?
>
>Steve

____

count me in, If i had a social life would I be so enthralled in POTA...no
offense

Hi, I'm Raine and I have no social life either - I'd
loved to spend a night a week with you guys




--- DrEvil86@... wrote:

> count me in, If i had a social life would I be so
> enthralled in POTA...no
> offense
>

This is starting to get creepy folks.






raine montero wrote:

> Hi, I'm Raine and I have no social life either - I'd
> loved to spend a night a week with you guys
>
> --- DrEvil86@... wrote:
> > count me in, If i had a social life would I be so
> > enthralled in POTA...no
> > offense
> >
>
>

I'd be interested, on occasion. If the time difference is ok for me. As the
majority are in the US, I guess 10pm your time (San Fran) is about 7am my
time.

For those who are following, im 85 thou words in about 10 thou to go (1st
draft)

Amazon have just sent me my POTA novel, so I have some reading to do....

M

Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> This is starting to get creepy folks.

Don't be jealous of all our spare time, Brian.

A question: Is Pros-Aide still the standard adhesive in the industry?
Or has anyone developed anything better since I was last playing with
the junk?

>
> raine montero wrote:
>
> > Hi, I'm Raine and I have no social life either - I'd
> > loved to spend a night a week with you guys
> >
> > --- DrEvil86@... wrote:
> > > count me in, If i had a social life would I be so
> > > enthralled in POTA...no
> > > offense
> > >
> >
> >

Pros Aide and Pros Aide 2 are still widely used. Dow Corning's 355 has been
replaced by Premier Products line of Telesis Adhesives.
Spirit Gum? What's that?

B

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> > This is starting to get creepy folks.
>
> Don't be jealous of all our spare time, Brian.
>
> A question: Is Pros-Aide still the standard adhesive in the industry?
> Or has anyone developed anything better since I was last playing with
> the junk?
>
> >
> > raine montero wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I'm Raine and I have no social life either - I'd
> > > loved to spend a night a week with you guys
> > >
> > > --- DrEvil86@... wrote:
> > > > count me in, If i had a social life would I be so
> > > > enthralled in POTA...no
> > > > offense
> > > >
> > >
> > >

Brian Dumont wrote:

>
> Pros Aide and Pros Aide 2 are still widely used. Dow Corning's 355 has been
> replaced by Premier Products line of Telesis Adhesives.
> Spirit Gum? What's that?

Only thing I miss about spirit gum is the smell. I can't believe they
used that for the Apes, and it stayed on for more than ten minutes.

Chambers used to do special things to the spirit gum of the day: like boiling it
for 20 minutes in a pot of water and then adding a couple of drops of olive oil
to it to keep it from crystalizing.

B

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Brian Dumont wrote:
> >
> > Pros Aide and Pros Aide 2 are still widely used. Dow Corning's 355 has been
> > replaced by Premier Products line of Telesis Adhesives.
> > Spirit Gum? What's that?
>
> Only thing I miss about spirit gum is the smell. I can't believe they
> used that for the Apes, and it stayed on for more than ten minutes.
>
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Count me in. Other than the 3rd week of June, when I'll be on vacation in the
Turks & Caicos. Go Apes, John.

In a message dated 6/14/0 4:42:01 PM, JSe3689836@... writes:
<< Count me in. Other than the 3rd week of June, when I'll be on vacation in
the
Turks & Caicos. Go Apes, John. >>


Not me. I'm washing my hair that night.
cRaig

OK, here's one for the die-hard collectors. While going through some old
catalogs, I came across one from a soundtrack dealer (vinyl only) from
several years back (1994) that had a soundtrack LP for BATTLE listed. I
called about it and asked if it was a misprint and should have read
BENEATH. He told me that it was definitely for BATTLE and it was a very
limited edition release. As I recall, it contained both music and
dialogue (much like BENEATH did) and it was also a picture disc, so the
sound quality wasn't spectacular. Of course, I was beyond broke at that
point and couldn't afford the $65 price tag so I missed out. Does anyone
know anything about this and- more importantly- have a copy? If so,
please give me a shout at lawford42@... as I'd really like to get a
copy of this one way or another.

Thanks much!

Chris L.
____

I don't know if this is of interest to anybody?

I found it while browsing... It seems to be a transcript from a MST3K
commentary for "Beneath."

http://plummco.simplenet.com/HG/beneath.html"

Dave.

It's a bunch of guys on chat, who sat and watched Beneath at home, then gave
it the MST3k treatment, and posted the chat log to the web page.

>From: Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Any use?
>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:23:37 +0100
>
>I don't know if this is of interest to anybody?
>
>I found it while browsing... It seems to be a transcript from a MST3K
>commentary for "Beneath."
>
>http://plummco.simplenet.com/HG/beneath.html"
>
>Dave.

____________

.html Mr. Jack Krueger,

Attention, please!

I cannot go to USA!

Abort mission!

I cannot to participate of STARCON 2000.

My book is not ready for printing.

Please, tell to Jeff! I am sorry.

Thank you very much for your understanding.

I will go later to sign my book.

Thank you very much for your help, Mr. Jack!

Adami

<.html

Mark Wahlberg is apparently being offered a part in the Apes remake.

In a message dated 6/17/0 2:33:42 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< Mark Wahlberg is apparently being offered a part in the Apes remake. >>

Liked him in "Boogie Nights" okay, liked him in "Three Kings". Can't see him
in "POTA", even a dingbat half-baked hollow "quirky" (*GROAN) and utlimately
unsatisfying Tim Burton version.

> Liked him in "Boogie Nights" okay, liked him in "Three Kings". Can't see

him > in "POTA", even a dingbat half-baked hollow "quirky" (*GROAN) and
utlimately

> unsatisfying Tim Burton version.

Mark? I think he would be a great choice!
He even looks like an ape without makeup! :)
No but really, I think he has that kind of voice that would go well with the
ape makeup. (born to play the role)

As for Tim Burton, on second thought he is a great choice, I think Tim has
what it takes to give POTA a more adult type theme to the movie. In other
words we won't be seeing a JAR JAR BINKS in this one. Thank God!

As for Matt Damon, I don't know, I can't imagine him in the Heston role.
Landon or Dodge yes. (kill him off early in the movie) :)
And bring on the Gladiator (Russell Crowe) as Taylor!
Excellent!

Alex

We've heard two names so far - Marky and Danny Devito as an ape. All
the Apes should be Shakespearean thesps, for God's sake. I don't want
Dr. Zaius to open his mouth and have Louie DiPalma's voice come out.

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/17/0 2:33:42 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
> << Mark Wahlberg is apparently being offered a part in the Apes remake. >>
>
> Liked him in "Boogie Nights" okay, liked him in "Three Kings". Can't see him
> in "POTA", even a dingbat half-baked hollow "quirky" (*GROAN) and utlimately
> unsatisfying Tim Burton version.
>
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I think Christopher Walken would make a pretty cool Dr. Zauis or another
orangutang from that council.

Chris

In a message dated 6/17/0 9:52:31 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<<I don't want Dr. Zaius to open his mouth and have Louie DiPalma's voice
come out.>>

Why not, it takes place in Jersey, doesn't it? He can scratch his nuts and
drive a cab. While we're sinking the ship, Alan Alda would make a
wonderfully terrible, well, ANYTHING!

Better ape choices:
Rupert Everett (chimp)
Hugh Grant (chimp) ....oh, wait, are these the same guy? I get confused.
Which one got the hummer from the hooker??

Terrence Stamp (gorilla)
Bob Hoskins (gorilla)

Christopher Lloyd (orangatan) ....Huston's dead, long as he doesn't scream,
"Wellll, future boy!" he could be a Lawgiver-type character. Or something.
Michael Palin (orangatan)
John Cleese (orangatan).....as if it would be a stretch for these guys.

John Cleese voiced a gorilla in George of the Jungle.

>From: nextnexus@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Marky Mark and the Monkey Bunch
>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:54:29 EDT
>
>In a message dated 6/17/0 9:52:31 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
><<I don't want Dr. Zaius to open his mouth and have Louie DiPalma's voice
>come out.>>
>
>Why not, it takes place in Jersey, doesn't it? He can scratch his nuts and
>drive a cab. While we're sinking the ship, Alan Alda would make a
>wonderfully terrible, well, ANYTHING!
>
>Better ape choices:
>Rupert Everett (chimp)
>Hugh Grant (chimp) ....oh, wait, are these the same guy? I get confused.
>Which one got the hummer from the hooker??
>
>Terrence Stamp (gorilla)
>Bob Hoskins (gorilla)
>
>Christopher Lloyd (orangatan) ....Huston's dead, long as he doesn't
>scream,
>"Wellll, future boy!" he could be a Lawgiver-type character. Or something.
>Michael Palin (orangatan)
>John Cleese (orangatan).....as if it would be a stretch for these guys.
>
>
>
>
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> >Why not, it takes place in Jersey, doesn't it? He can scratch his nuts

and

> >drive a cab. While we're sinking the ship, Alan Alda would make a
> >wonderfully terrible, well, ANYTHING!
> >
> >Better ape choices:
> >Rupert Everett (chimp)
> >Hugh Grant (chimp) ....oh, wait, are these the same guy? I get confused.
> >Which one got the hummer from the hooker??
> >
> >Terrence Stamp (gorilla)
> >Bob Hoskins (gorilla)
> >
> >Christopher Lloyd (orangatan) ....Huston's dead, long as he doesn't
> >scream,
> >"Wellll, future boy!" he could be a Lawgiver-type character. Or

something.

> >Michael Palin (orangatan)
> >John Cleese (orangatan).....as if it would be a stretch for these guys.

Vladimir Putin (Leader of Russia) has my vote to play 'Mendez'.
Now that would be scary and a little too close to home. :)

Alex

I met Rick Baker last night at a tribute to makeup legend Jack Pierce
("Frankenstein"). Apparently anyone who wants to play an ape has to have a
certain kind of nose (small). I'm sure they'd make exceptions for certain
stars. As for casting, I think Matt Damon is a good actor but doesn't have
the right edge, especially for a Burton film. But Burton has been known to
play the game (he interviewed Tom Cruise to play Edward Scissorhands but had
no intention to use him). Is it a coincidence that Damon did the main
character voice on Fox's latest sci-fi extravaganza "Titan A.E."? We all
known Burton is going to cast Pauly Shore so what's with the suspense?

As for Burton, I can't totally see him as the director even though I'm a
fan, but at least he has integrity and vision. He's the best director Fox
has come up with (considering that Oliver Stone and James Cameron were only
slated to be producers). Would you like us to go back to Chris Columbus or
Michael Bay? HUH??- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Dumont" <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] No Social lifes


> Chambers used to do special things to the spirit gum of the day: like
boiling it
> for 20 minutes in a pot of water and then adding a couple of drops of
olive oil
> to it to keep it from crystalizing.
>
> B
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Brian Dumont wrote:
> > >
> > > Pros Aide and Pros Aide 2 are still widely used. Dow Corning's 355
has been
> > > replaced by Premier Products line of Telesis Adhesives.
> > > Spirit Gum? What's that?
> >
> > Only thing I miss about spirit gum is the smell. I can't believe they
> > used that for the Apes, and it stayed on for more than ten minutes.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue.
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/5108/9/_/19617/_/960947261/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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In a message dated 6/18/00 2:51:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:
<< As for Burton, I can't totally see him as the director even though I'm a
fan, but at least he has integrity and vision.>>

A vision of what, exactly?? Rube Goldberg-style sequences that are golf-clap
funny but don't do a hell of a lot for the plot? He totally massacred Sam
Hamm's "Batman" screenplay. Yeah, Hamm's third act needed a polish (because
suits demanded Robin shoe-horned in by the end), but otherwise read more
along the lines of an entirely "realistic" film instead of the bloated,
connect-the-dots and overly simplified mess released to theaters. Plus,
Hamm's script was anything but boring.

Directing non-plot movies such as "Beetlejuice" and "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure"
is one thing, but telling a compelling story (or any story at all) is
another. Only film he managed to do that convincingly in was "Ed Wood", but
then even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

The type of Spencer Gifts quirkiness Burton peddles should provide for a
wonderful "POTA" camp fest. Maybe Fox will have Schumacher seal the doom for
the sequals.

<<He's the best director Fox has come up with (considering that Oliver Stone
and James Cameron were only slated to be producers). Would you like us to go
back to Chris Columbus or Michael Bay? HUH??>>

I'd take Michael Bay over Burton for "Apes", so long as Bruce Willis stayed
home.
-cRaig

If Tim Burton makes this remake, do be looking foward to a sequal, as
Beneath is no doubt the final end and most darkest episode of the apes
sagas.
Now you know why Tim wanted and will keep this puppy.

> A vision of what, exactly?? Rube Goldberg-style sequences that are

golf-clap

> funny but don't do a hell of a lot for the plot? He totally massacred Sam
> Hamm's "Batman" screenplay. Yeah, Hamm's third act needed a polish

(because

> suits demanded Robin shoe-horned in by the end), but otherwise read more
> along the lines of an entirely "realistic" film instead of the bloated,
> connect-the-dots and overly simplified mess released to theaters. Plus,
> Hamm's script was anything but boring.
>
> Directing non-plot movies such as "Beetlejuice" and "Pee-Wee's Big

Adventure"

> is one thing, but telling a compelling story (or any story at all) is
> another. Only film he managed to do that convincingly in was "Ed Wood",

but

> then even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
>
> The type of Spencer Gifts quirkiness Burton peddles should provide for a
> wonderful "POTA" camp fest. Maybe Fox will have Schumacher seal the doom

for

> the sequals.
>
> <<He's the best director Fox has come up with (considering that Oliver

Stone

> and James Cameron were only slated to be producers). Would you like us to

go

> back to Chris Columbus or Michael Bay? HUH??>>
>
> I'd take Michael Bay over Burton for "Apes", so long as Bruce Willis

stayed

> home.
> -cRaig

I agree, storytelling is not Burton's strong suit. That's why I said I had
reservations about his appointment. I like his films, though, and
especially that he comes up with his own take on things and stands by it. If
"Apes" sucks I'd rather it err on the side of originality than on playing it
safe. It may not be possible to do the offbeat, downer endings of the
original "Apes" films in this day and age. But the suits know that Burton is
successful "doing weird" so he probably has as good a shot as anybody to get
something unique through. He's got a strong producer (Zanuck), so Burton
isn't just being handed the keys. Alot of it is up to the script (and people
saying, "What the hell are you talking about, Tim?" when he tries to rewrite
it) and the casting. So far I don't like the casting ideas or the teen bent
of the script (probably a holdover from the Michael Bay days). Burton told a
Hawaii newspaper recently that they are just exploring the possibilities
right now. The current script draft is still about a week away. It's too
soon to judge.

I haven't read the early "Batman" scripts but I liked Burton's Batflicks.
They were far from perfect but they took chances and I respect that. Plus,
they were alot of fun.

Joel Schumacher isn't worthy of washing Burton's Batmobile. Michael Bay
should stick to commercials and music videos.- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Remake


> If Tim Burton makes this remake, do be looking foward to a sequal, as
> Beneath is no doubt the final end and most darkest episode of the apes
> sagas.
> Now you know why Tim wanted and will keep this puppy.
>
>
> > A vision of what, exactly?? Rube Goldberg-style sequences that are
> golf-clap
> > funny but don't do a hell of a lot for the plot? He totally massacred
Sam
> > Hamm's "Batman" screenplay. Yeah, Hamm's third act needed a polish
> (because
> > suits demanded Robin shoe-horned in by the end), but otherwise read more
> > along the lines of an entirely "realistic" film instead of the bloated,
> > connect-the-dots and overly simplified mess released to theaters. Plus,
> > Hamm's script was anything but boring.
> >
> > Directing non-plot movies such as "Beetlejuice" and "Pee-Wee's Big
> Adventure"
> > is one thing, but telling a compelling story (or any story at all) is
> > another. Only film he managed to do that convincingly in was "Ed Wood",
> but
> > then even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
> >
> > The type of Spencer Gifts quirkiness Burton peddles should provide for a
> > wonderful "POTA" camp fest. Maybe Fox will have Schumacher seal the
doom
> for
> > the sequals.
> >
> > <<He's the best director Fox has come up with (considering that Oliver
> Stone
> > and James Cameron were only slated to be producers). Would you like us
to
> go
> > back to Chris Columbus or Michael Bay? HUH??>>
> >
> > I'd take Michael Bay over Burton for "Apes", so long as Bruce Willis
> stayed
> > home.
> > -cRaig
>
>
>
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Sam Hamm may have written a good original "Batman" script but he sure made
chopped liver out of "Planet of the Apes". I read his remake draft. - - -
Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Dumont" <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] No Social lifes


> Chambers used to do special things to the spirit gum of the day: like
boiling it
> for 20 minutes in a pot of water and then adding a couple of drops of
olive oil
> to it to keep it from crystalizing.
>
> B
>
> Philip Nobile wrote:
>
> > Brian Dumont wrote:
> > >
> > > Pros Aide and Pros Aide 2 are still widely used. Dow Corning's 355
has been
> > > replaced by Premier Products line of Telesis Adhesives.
> > > Spirit Gum? What's that?
> >
> > Only thing I miss about spirit gum is the smell. I can't believe they
> > used that for the Apes, and it stayed on for more than ten minutes.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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If Tim Burton does direct I hope he leaves his weird art crap stuff out of
the movie. I don't want the very strange backgrounds he had in Edward
Scissors Hands and also the Batman city looked pretty weird. Other than the
Tim Burton thing, had there been any news regarding the new movie. Has it
been made clear if the movie will be a remake or some sort of sequel?

Chris

In a message dated 6/18/00 3:51:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BlakerG@...
writes:

<< I don't want the very strange backgrounds he had in Edward
Scissors Hands and also the Batman city looked pretty weird >>

Sorry to get a little of the subject hear..but Gotham city looked cool in the
first batman movie and i really don't remeber the second movie well..but I do
know that when that Joel Schumacher fellow took over and went with a "comic
book" atmosphere, the city started to look weird and stupid!!!

Ecco l'indirizzo dell'RPG definitivo:

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/7904/MMeRPpeig.htm

Per quelli che conoscono gli RPG: se pensavate di aver trovato il vostro RPG
preferito leggete questo e riceverete l'illuminazione!

Per quelli che non conoscono gli RPG: e' ora di iniziare ad entrare in
questo mondo, con il piu' rappresentativo gioco del genere!!! Fidatevi:
andate all'indirizzo suddetto e rimanete sbalorditi!!!

;P

Ciao

PS: assicuratevi di leggere la sezione dei Colpi Segreti...

Zarkan

>If Tim Burton does direct I hope he leaves his weird art crap stuff out of
>the movie. I don't want the very strange backgrounds he had in Edward
>Scissors Hands

A reminder:

http://www.icarus.simplenet.com/ApesShip/Gallery/ApeCity/city11.jpg
____________

If the new movie were to be a sequel then I think James Cameron would
have been the only one who could have delivered something worthy of
what has come before.

With regards to a totally new re-vamp ie different story, different
characters, different costumes etc, I think Tim Burton is the ideal
choice.

The original series... Let's call it "classic" planet of the apes,
can never be equaled. A lot of us have literally grown up with it and
to try and "re do" it will almost certainly meet with the same
reaction as our governments suggesting a techno, garage, house, hip
hop version of "God save the queen" or "The star spangled banner" to
replace the traditional versions at the next Olympics.

Whatever form the new movie takes it is going to be like a slap in
the face to us die hard fans of the original series. I suspect that
as we all see it for the first time we will react in horror to what
has been done. Maybe the second time we will begin to appreciate the
nice little touches, homages and in jokes and after the third and
fourth it might take it's place in our hearts as, not "classic" POTA
but a superior piece of film making with fantastic imagery, wonderful
costumes, superb make up, jaw dropping sfx and perhaps, with a little
luck, an intelligent thought provoking script.

Tim Burton is the ideal choice to help supply the first four of those
ingredients, let's hope Fox have the integrity to insist upon the
last.

I have to agree....What Tim Burton has done for his past films..Has been
something that we have never seen on screen before. I think the new "Apes"
movie, Will be something that's takes the "Apes" to the next level. I thought
"Sleepy Hollow" was visually stunning...And if Burton takes that dark and
gloomy approach with the "Apes," It will be magnificent. Just don't start out
making a film for 11 year olds to collect Happy meal toys. Just my
opinion!!! Rob in Philadelphia

Yeah, I can hear the McDonald's commercials already...
"I want a McUrsus burger, McZaius fries and an 'Ape Deluxe' sandwich."
I hope they have more sense than that...

Pterosaur3@... wrote:

> Just don't start out making a film for 11 year olds to collect Happy
> meal toys. Just my opinion!!! Rob in Philadelphia+

Don't kid yourself - they're not remaking it because they think it'll be
"kewl". They want a franchise monster, and that will inevitably include
Big-Ass Promotional Tie-Ins. Of course, the last time Tim Burton had a fast
food tie-in, it did start a shitload of trouble.

>From: Steve Temple <steven.temple@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] pota remake
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:14:58 -0500
>
>Yeah, I can hear the McDonald's commercials already...
>"I want a McUrsus burger, McZaius fries and an 'Ape Deluxe' sandwich."
>I hope they have more sense than that...
>
>Pterosaur3@... wrote:
> > Just don't start out making a film for 11 year olds to collect Happy
> > meal toys. Just my opinion!!! Rob in Philadelphia+
>
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____________

The trouble is,

Go Ape! (etc, etc etcetera...)

oh well....


My perfect remake:

a real version of the Boulle book, with a Mi Zaius dressed as he originally
was. (I also fancy seeing him in a top hat to complement the oddity.) Plus,
also include the Boulle ending, (the end of the book, not just ch 37), and
close with an enormous vista of Jinn and Phyllis returning over an ape
spacescape, esp if it's got something familiar from earth -

How 'bout a remodelled statue of Liberty, with somewhat simian features?

'Cool ending.'

M

>How 'bout a remodelled statue of Liberty, with somewhat simian features?
>
>'Cool ending.'

That's how Sam Hamm's script ends. I thought it was a 'bad ending'.
____________

Mark Gould <mark.gould@...> wrote:

>a real version of the Boulle book, with a Mi Zaius dressed as he originally
>was.

I'd like to have seen the book filmed as well (since the budget would
probably be managable now) but I don't think it would pack the same punch
now that everyone is used to the original movie.

>How 'bout a remodelled statue of Liberty, with somewhat simian features?

Didn't Sam Hamm's version have that exact ending?

Alan

I agree buddy.
POTA should not be a kiddy movie.
I think we've had enough of JAR JAR BINKS, JAR JAR could be a clear warning
to both Tim and Richard.
The last thing I want to see is a computer digital ape.


Alex

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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] pota remake


> I have to agree....What Tim Burton has done for his past films..Has been
> something that we have never seen on screen before. I think the new "Apes"
> movie, Will be something that's takes the "Apes" to the next level. I
thought
> "Sleepy Hollow" was visually stunning...And if Burton takes that dark and
> gloomy approach with the "Apes," It will be magnificent. Just don't start
out
> making a film for 11 year olds to collect Happy meal toys. Just my
> opinion!!! Rob in Philadelphia
>
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In a message dated 6/19/0 10:53:03 AM, Pterosaur3@... writes:
<< I thought "Sleepy Hollow" was visually stunning... >>

Sure, but wasn't also empty-headed as shit and boring?


soylentphil@... writes:
<<Don't kid yourself - they're not remaking it because they think it'll be
"kewl". They want a franchise monster, and that will inevitably include
Big-Ass Promotional Tie-Ins.>>

Fox is still smarting over all the ancillary "Star Wars" money they let Lucas
walk away with over the years, let alone the reaming they took in
renegotiation for the prequels (George kept mumbling "DreamWorks" under his
breath).

In defense of Hamm, don't think he made up the Statue of Liberty Chimp
ending. Think it was wonderful producer ideas handed to him on a platter
that had to be included. Sorta like John Peters' polar bears attacking
Superman for no reason or his giant spider (which made it into "WWW").

From filmforce:

FilmForce Exclusive: Could This Be The New Direction For Burton's Planet
of the Apes?
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 05:00 AM EDT

Casting documents obtained by FilmForce show that casting has begun on
Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes for 20th Century Fox. Submitted to
casting agencies under the name The Visitor, the notices inform the
agents and managers that no scripts will be made available for the
project (which means that the William Broyles draft of the script still
hasn't been seen). The start date for filming is listed as October,
2000, with Richard Zanuck (Rules of Engagement) and Ralph Winter (Star
Trek lll - Vl, X-Men) listed as producing.

This obviously raises some questions: are the character names and
descriptions supplied accurate or are they creative fabrications meant
to throw the press (i.e.: us) off of what Burton intends to do with the
film? In a report we ran last week (which you can read here), Burton
talked about "re-visiting and re-imagining" the project. He said, "I
had a feeling that there is a way to do it differently, exploring
thematically similar things but in a different way." Burton added, "I
think it can be revisited and re-imagined to a whole new generation and
to people like me who are interested in other aspects of what the film
said."

So, maybe these character names and descriptions point to Burton's "new
direction." It certainly looks like a different film than the Apes
we're used to. Almost all of the parts were said to require "extensive
prosthetic makeup" and agents were encouraged to submit African American
and Asian actors for the parts (fans of the old Planet of the Apes film
series may remember that African Americans were used in those films
because the skin tones blended with the makeup better).

The plot (as it reads in these descriptions) presents a world different
that the one we're used to seeing in the PotA films. In this world,
Ari, a beautiful princess in her early to mid-20's, takes up the plight
of the humans. Believing that all creatures should be able to live in
harmony, this philosophy runs afoul of other Apes like the military
commander Thade, who sees Ari as a liberal "human-lover." Thade
believes that humans are only good as slaves or for entertainment,
certainly not on the level of his "higher species."

Opposing Thade is Leo, presumably a human (as there is no mention of
prosthetics for his character). Leo is leading the uprising that
threatens Thade's rule. Aiding Leo is Limbo, an ape who sells humans as
slaves on the black market. Described as providing moments of "comic
relief," Limbo starts off opposed to Leo but sees the error of his ways.

Also described is Senator Lawton, a member of the ruling government. In
his 50's to 60's, Lawton is torn between his loyalty to Ari and his duty
to Thade. This would seem to be similar to good old Dr. Zaius. Other
characters include Krull, a brutish, forceful aide to Thade and Nica, a
lieutenant who loses a legion of warriors and pays the ultimate price.

Many of the characters listed seem to have parallels to characters in
the original film. Leo, presumably the "visitor" of the title, would be
similar to the Charlton Heston "Taylor" while Ari sounds a lot like Kim
Hunter's "Zira." Thade is definitely in the same vein as General Urko
(I;'m sure the webmaster means "Ursus":). In fact, the only character
that doesn't seem to have a parallel is good old Cornelius, the
suffering husband and chimpanzee scientist played by the late Roddy
McDowall.

Again, it's entirely possible that these descriptions are meant to be
general sketches of the characters and may not even be how the
characters appear in the final film. I mean, we are talking about Tim
Burton here, which means anything goes. But it would seem to fit in with
the "new direction" he's talked about for the film. One thing is
certain, however – things have started rolling on the production and we
should expect to hear more about it in the near future.

From Cinescape:

Zanuck Talks 'Apes'
Producer Richard Zanuck is talking about the Planet of the Apes remake…
or is it a remake? While talking to columnists Marilyn Beck, Stacy Jenel
Smith and Stephanie DuBois, the producer explained the approach that Tim
Burton and company are taking with the film, saying, "It's not a sequel,
it's not a remake of Planet of the Apes, it's a reconstruction of the
basic idea -- a reimagination of apes and humans."

When asked if there might be room for Charlton Heston in the production,
Zanuck flatly says, "There's no part for him."

Philip Nobile wrote:

>
> (fans of the old Planet of the Apes film
> series may remember that African Americans were used in those films
> because the skin tones blended with the makeup better).

By the way, HUH? I don't think I can name one black actor with a
speaking ape part. Anyone?

Wow, if this new film has talking humans, as did the T.V. series, than this
film is going to be a total flop.
It didn't work on television, and it won't work on the big screen.
Talking apes and non-talking humans is the best formula.

Because if your smart enough to talk, then your smart enough to up rise, and
thus the movie wouldn't make any sence what-so-ever.
From a logical point of view.

I only hope they know what there doing.
Because if this flops, the headlines are going to read:
POTA died with Arthur Jacobs. (Sad thing to say, but never the less it would
be true)

Alex

>From filmforce:

FilmForce Exclusive: Could This Be The New Direction For Burton's Planet
of the Apes?
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 05:00 AM EDT

Casting documents obtained by FilmForce show that casting has begun on
Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes for 20th Century Fox. Submitted to
casting agencies under the name The Visitor, the notices inform the
agents and managers that no scripts will be made available for the
project (which means that the William Broyles draft of the script still
hasn't been seen). The start date for filming is listed as October,
2000, with Richard Zanuck (Rules of Engagement) and Ralph Winter (Star
Trek lll - Vl, X-Men) listed as producing.

This obviously raises some questions: are the character names and
descriptions supplied accurate or are they creative fabrications meant
to throw the press (i.e.: us) off of what Burton intends to do with the
film? In a report we ran last week (which you can read here), Burton
talked about "re-visiting and re-imagining" the project. He said, "I
had a feeling that there is a way to do it differently, exploring
thematically similar things but in a different way." Burton added, "I
think it can be revisited and re-imagined to a whole new generation and
to people like me who are interested in other aspects of what the film
said."

So, maybe these character names and descriptions point to Burton's "new
direction." It certainly looks like a different film than the Apes
we're used to. Almost all of the parts were said to require "extensive
prosthetic makeup" and agents were encouraged to submit African American
and Asian actors for the parts (fans of the old Planet of the Apes film
series may remember that African Americans were used in those films
because the skin tones blended with the makeup better).

The plot (as it reads in these descriptions) presents a world different
that the one we're used to seeing in the PotA films. In this world,
Ari, a beautiful princess in her early to mid-20's, takes up the plight
of the humans. Believing that all creatures should be able to live in
harmony, this philosophy runs afoul of other Apes like the military
commander Thade, who sees Ari as a liberal "human-lover." Thade
believes that humans are only good as slaves or for entertainment,
certainly not on the level of his "higher species."

Opposing Thade is Leo, presumably a human (as there is no mention of
prosthetics for his character). Leo is leading the uprising that
threatens Thade's rule. Aiding Leo is Limbo, an ape who sells humans as
slaves on the black market. Described as providing moments of "comic
relief," Limbo starts off opposed to Leo but sees the error of his ways.

Also described is Senator Lawton, a member of the ruling government. In
his 50's to 60's, Lawton is torn between his loyalty to Ari and his duty
to Thade. This would seem to be similar to good old Dr. Zaius. Other
characters include Krull, a brutish, forceful aide to Thade and Nica, a
lieutenant who loses a legion of warriors and pays the ultimate price.

Many of the characters listed seem to have parallels to characters in
the original film. Leo, presumably the "visitor" of the title, would be
similar to the Charlton Heston "Taylor" while Ari sounds a lot like Kim
Hunter's "Zira." Thade is definitely in the same vein as General Urko
(I;'m sure the webmaster means "Ursus":). In fact, the only character
that doesn't seem to have a parallel is good old Cornelius, the
suffering husband and chimpanzee scientist played by the late Roddy
McDowall.

Again, it's entirely possible that these descriptions are meant to be
general sketches of the characters and may not even be how the
characters appear in the final film. I mean, we are talking about Tim
Burton here, which means anything goes. But it would seem to fit in with
the "new direction" he's talked about for the film. One thing is
certain, however - things have started rolling on the production and we
should expect to hear more about it in the near future.

Come ON! Someone has to know something about this...


--------- Forwarded message ----------


OK, here's one for the die-hard collectors. While going through some old
catalogs, I came across one from a soundtrack dealer (vinyl only) from
several years back (1994) that had a soundtrack LP for BATTLE listed. I
called about it and asked if it was a misprint and should have read
BENEATH. He told me that it was definitely for BATTLE and it was a very
limited edition release. As I recall, it contained both music and
dialogue (much like BENEATH did) and it was also a picture disc, so the
sound quality wasn't spectacular. Of course, I was beyond broke at that
point and couldn't afford the $65 price tag so I missed out. Does anyone
know anything about this and- more importantly- have a copy? If so,
please give me a shout at lawford42@... as I'd really like to get a
copy of this one way or another.

Thanks much!

Chris L.

____

Just because you can speak doesn't mean you can have an uprising. The people
of the Eastern Block had a pretty hard time with uprising while the Soviet
Union was still around.

Chris

BlakerG@... wrote:

>
> Just because you can speak doesn't mean you can have an uprising. The people
> of the Eastern Block had a pretty hard time with uprising while the Soviet
> Union was still around.

And hey, Battlefield Earth had smart, enslaved humans . . .

Battlefield Earth, the movie people ruined such a great book.

Chris

I'd been sharing the early story ideas from the sequels, as outlined in
Eric Greene's book. Even though there's been almost no discussion so
far, here's Dehn's pitch for Battle:

Dehn's idea, according to an article in TIME, was to show "how the apes,
like the humans before them, began to ruin the world."

13 years have passed since Conquest. Caesar rules as emperor, and the
apes have reversed the power relations of Conquest and enslaved the
humans. MacDonald serves as Caesar's personal servant and fears that
the apes will exterminate the humans when they are no longer useful. He
asks the ape ruling council, made up of three chimps, three gorillas,
and two orangutans, to allow human representation. A chimp council
member named Pan supports the idea, but he is overruled.

90% of humanity is under ape domination. The apes control the territory
to their south, but there are still human rebels in the north. One of
the human rebel leaders, Nimrod (can't make this up - PN), is a former
US Army general. His real name is General Mendez, and he is the
ancestor of the mutant leader Mendez in Beneath. Nimrod sends a
representative to the apes' capital with an ultimatum: set the humans
free or Nimrod will destroy the apes' city with a nuclear bomb. The
messenger is killed, and Caesar assembles the apes in shelters, allowing
a limited number of humans with useful skills into the shelters.
Nimrod's airplane pilots drop the bomb and level the city.

Eventually, the survivors emerge from the shelters and begin to rebuild
the apes' city. Nimrod and his followers, scarred and mutated by the
nuclear radiation, later shell the rebuilt city. The apes
counterattack, fighting on horseback against humans in restored
automobiles, and they force the humans to retreat. Nimrod fires a
projectile, which falls just short of the ape army. The humans explode
that the projectile will soon explode and emit nerve gas that induces
sterility in those who inhale it - Dehn described it as a "genocide
bomb". Fearing the destruction of their reproductivity, the apes
retreat, designating the land that will be affected by the bomb the
"Forbidden Zone". It is then revealed that the projectile was empty, a
bluff to frighten off the apes. The story ends with human children
releasing a baby chimpanzee, who had earlier been taken captive,
declaring that the young ape can do nothing with humans but "pine and
die" and that "he belongs with his own kind."

Expressing a narrow sense of possibility, in Dehn's story, MacDonald,
who advocates peace and equality, and Caesar, who is poised to alter his
oppressive policies, are killed by Aldo, while conservative politicians
and the military go on to dominate society.

I found this outline interesting mostly because it shows, and as as
Greene mentions, that Dehn stuck to his downbeat, nihilistic guns. They
kept throwing sequels at him, and he kept making the most pessimistic
stories imaginable. Only when two additional screenwriters were brought
in did Battle get its somewhat more hopeful tone. Thoughts?