In a message dated 6/19/0 9:16:22 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< He [Burton] said, "I had a feeling that there is a way to do it
differently, exploring

thematically similar things but in a different way." Burton added, "I think
it can be revisited and re-imagined to a whole new generation and to people
like me who are interested in other aspects of what the film said." >>

Wowzers, who wrote this for him? Burton can't complete a sentence
(literally).

I think I recall reading somewhere that Africans and Asians were
originally tested for the apes but the studio of the day got cold
feet because of the racist implications that might be read into the
casting.

A sixties preview of Political Correctness?

I like the sound of this... Maybe someone should show it to Burton?
With a few minor changes it could still take place after Battle. It's
certainly a better concept than the new synopsis (shades of Terry
Hayes!)

"One of the human rebel leaders, Nimrod (can't make this up - PN),"

Sounds like a Tolkien elf character... Didn't he have a brother
called Dipstick?

Nimrod fires a projectile, which falls just short of the ape army.
The humans explain that the projectile will soon explode and emit
nerve gas that induces
sterility in those who inhale it - Dehn described it as a "genocide
bomb".

Could this be the origin of disorder that robs the humans of speech?

Only when two additional screenwriters were brought in did Battle get
its somewhat more hopeful tone. Thoughts?

I'm a lot more tolerant of "Battle" than I used to be (thanks to the
"Behind" documentary) but all the Corrington's did was kiddie-fy the
concept and rob it of any integrity. (Although I allow they were
expressly told to)

I've never considered "Battle" a cinema event... It always seemed to
be a rather lackluster TV movie. The POTA version of a human
appendix, a useless organ that does nothing to add to the health of
the host and can be removed without to much hassle.

If only there were some way of knowing what Dehn might have come up
with for movies 6,7 & 8!

Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...> wrote:

>...Aiding Leo is Limbo, an ape who sells humans as
>slaves on the black market. Described as providing moments of "comic
>relief,"

AAARRGH! IT'S JAR-JAR BINKS!!!!

Actually, don't know if it was a serious story or not, but it certainly
sounds Burton-like. A lot of his films (especially Eddy Scissorhands) have
that fairy tale kind of quality to them - and this even has a princess!

Is it real though? Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Alan

I hope this is a bunch of pre-production rumors that don't pan out.
Lot's of Hollywood remakes (or "re-thinking" in this case) never work
out and seldom surpass the original movie.

Cases in point: "Psycho" and "Wild, Wild West."

Let's hope this is not the case... I can already hear the flop promos:
"Buy 'Wing Commander' on DVD and get 'Planet of the Apes' free!!!"

Nooooooooooooooooo!!! :)

> AAARRGH! IT'S JAR-JAR BINKS!!!!
>
> Actually, don't know if it was a serious story or not, but it certainly
> sounds Burton-like. A lot of his films (especially Eddy Scissorhands) have
> that fairy tale kind of quality to them - and this even has a princess!
>
> Is it real though? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
>
> Alan

Personally, I didn't find it all that funny. Lots of quotes from other
episodes of MST3K and some other things that didn't make much sense. Did
anyone else check this out?


Chris L.


PS- From what I'm reading about the remake, it sounds like they'd be
better off releasing the new POTA as the second MST3K movie with Mike,
Crow, and Servo providing their usual commentary.



On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:09:27 EDT "Philip Nobile"
<soylentphil@...> writes:

>It's a bunch of guys on chat, who sat and watched Beneath at home,
>then gave
>it the MST3k treatment, and posted the chat log to the web page.

____

In a message dated 6/19/0 11:42:27 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< I found this outline interesting mostly because it shows, and as as Greene
mentions, that Dehn stuck to his downbeat, nihilistic guns. >>

The aborted "Battle" pitch makes much more sense conceptually and
stylistically than the finished film. The dramatic tension between the apes
and struggle for power foreshadowed the regime Taylor eventually would
encounter. Caesar's assassination seemed more "POTA" than a weeping statue
-- protags were killed at the conclusions of "Beneath" and "Escape", sort of
a spin on Greek tragedy.

The tone of the aborted pitch also seemed more "brutal" and much more in line
with the oppressive environments of the other films. The
"utopia-on-a-budget" scenario they ran with in "Battle" seemed half-assed on
a bunch of levels.

Lastly, Dehn's unused pitched definitely would've spun into the first film
lots better continuity wise than the vague manner in which "Battle" does.
(Yeah, yeah, I know Caesar "might've" changed the future or whatever, but the
unused pitch sounded more satisfying overall on a variety of levels.)

-cp

Agreed on all counts. Never thought I'd be pining for an unfilmed version of
Battle, lamenting that it fit the series better, but nothing else has turned
out much like I planned, either.

>From: nextnexus@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Paul Dehn's Original Treatment for Battle
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:56:49 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 6/19/0 11:42:27 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
><< I found this outline interesting mostly because it shows, and as as
>Greene
>mentions, that Dehn stuck to his downbeat, nihilistic guns. >>
>
>The aborted "Battle" pitch makes much more sense conceptually and
>stylistically than the finished film. The dramatic tension between the
>apes
>and struggle for power foreshadowed the regime Taylor eventually would
>encounter. Caesar's assassination seemed more "POTA" than a weeping statue
>-- protags were killed at the conclusions of "Beneath" and "Escape", sort
>of
>a spin on Greek tragedy.
>
>The tone of the aborted pitch also seemed more "brutal" and much more in
>line
>with the oppressive environments of the other films. The
>"utopia-on-a-budget" scenario they ran with in "Battle" seemed half-assed
>on
>a bunch of levels.
>
>Lastly, Dehn's unused pitched definitely would've spun into the first film
>lots better continuity wise than the vague manner in which "Battle" does.
>(Yeah, yeah, I know Caesar "might've" changed the future or whatever, but
>the
>unused pitch sounded more satisfying overall on a variety of levels.)
>
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In a message dated 6/21/0 11:43:14 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< Agreed on all counts. Never thought I'd be pining for an unfilmed version
of Battle, lamenting that it fit the series better, but nothing else has
turned out much like I planned, either. >>


To further belabor the point -- was Paul Dehn the "secret ingrediant" of
"POTA" ? Without (enough) of him in the mix, it didn't work?

Just a hypothetical kick to the beehive. Came to mind because of how the
first two "Star Wars" films produced by Gary Kurtz were good and the
following two he didn't produce sucked. Was Kurtz the "secret ingrediant"
for whatever reason?

The Dehn Factor. The Kurtz Conundrum. Now, go take on the day.
-cp

I've discussed the POTA Chat idea with the list moderator and he
likes the idea. Regarding the options discussed last week, I have
posted a proposed schedule below:

I thought Wednesday nights would be good, since it's the middle of
the week and some folks are just too busy to chat during the weekend.

Since we also have a wide range of time zones, maybe we can have it
scheduled for a 5-hour block. That will keep it open long enough for
Eastern and Pacific members. Here's a rough idea of what the times
would be:

Eastern: 8 pm -1 am
Central: 7 pm -12 am
Mountain: 6 pm -11 pm
Pacific: 5 pm -10 pm

It might be tough for folks in the UK and Australia, but maybe we can
make some arrangements once we find out the exact time differences.
That would also be the case when we have special guests. Again, this
is only a proposal to feel things out...nothing is written in stone yet.

As far as logging in, you will need to go to the 'egroups' website and log
in. List members should have a name and password already established.
Pull up the "POTA" list and click on CHAT (it's next to the POST command).

Comments/Suggestions on any of this? We can try it out as early as tonight
if we are in agreement.

Thanks,
Steve

Well, Dehn was the secret ingredient of the SEQUELS, anyway.

Another famous film secret ingredient: Cinematographer Dean Cundey. The
quality of John Carpenter movies dropped sharply after he split with him.

Another: George Romero, editor: He stopped editing his own films after
Knightriders. Prosecution rests.

>From: nextnexus@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Paul Dehn = X
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:50:48 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 6/21/0 11:43:14 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
><< Agreed on all counts. Never thought I'd be pining for an unfilmed
>version
>of Battle, lamenting that it fit the series better, but nothing else has
>turned out much like I planned, either. >>
>
>
>To further belabor the point -- was Paul Dehn the "secret ingrediant" of
>"POTA" ? Without (enough) of him in the mix, it didn't work?
>
>Just a hypothetical kick to the beehive. Came to mind because of how the
>first two "Star Wars" films produced by Gary Kurtz were good and the
>following two he didn't produce sucked. Was Kurtz the "secret ingrediant"
>for whatever reason?
>
>The Dehn Factor. The Kurtz Conundrum. Now, go take on the day.
>-cp
>
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____________

>>>>>>Jesus. All of those horses, dirty humans in rags,
>>>>>>and no indoor-plumbing. Man.

>>>>>I bet it smelled like the zoo on a hot day.

>>>>I'll bet Nova smelled like foul gash.

>>>I still would've sealed that deal.

>>Well, yeah. In context, she probably smelled great.

>Maybe she used the shower that Burke and Virdon made
>in the pregnant cow episode.

I wonder if she used a sharp rock to shave her legs and armpits. An
anthropologically accurate Nova would be a hag.

____________

It was the lingering radiation that mutated human females so unsightly hair
no longer grew.......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [soylentphil@...]
Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 5:43
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Uh oh

>>>>>>Jesus. All of those horses, dirty humans in rags,
>>>>>>and no indoor-plumbing. Man.

>>>>>I bet it smelled like the zoo on a hot day.

>>>>I'll bet Nova smelled like foul gash.

>>>I still would've sealed that deal.

>>Well, yeah. In context, she probably smelled great.

>Maybe she used the shower that Burke and Virdon made
>in the pregnant cow episode.

I wonder if she used a sharp rock to shave her legs and armpits. An
anthropologically accurate Nova would be a hag.

____________

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In a message dated 6/21/0 4:56:55 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< I wonder if she used a sharp rock to shave her legs and armpits. An
anthropologically accurate Nova would be a hag. >>

Hag or not, would she still have had lip gloss?

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/21/0 4:56:55 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
>
> << I wonder if she used a sharp rock to shave her legs and armpits. An
> anthropologically accurate Nova would be a hag. >>
>
> Hag or not, would she still have had lip gloss?

Possibly, but as Jon pointed out, almost certainly no teeth.

Look at those humans, they're sooo hairy!!

M


Philip Nobile wrote:

> nextnexus@... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/21/0 4:56:55 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
> >
> > << I wonder if she used a sharp rock to shave her legs and armpits. An
> > anthropologically accurate Nova would be a hag. >>
> >
> > Hag or not, would she still have had lip gloss?
>
> Possibly, but as Jon pointed out, almost certainly no teeth.
>
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Nothin a good hosing down by Julius wouldn't straighten out.

Quick question everyone,

Does anyone have a POTA Winamp skin? For those of you who don't know
what Winamp is, nevermind, but I've been looking all over the internet for a
POTA skin, and can't find one. A very sincere THANK YOU to anyone who can
point me in the right direction.




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

What's a Winamp?

It's the thing you find before the Losemap and the Drawmap.

(Sorry folks, I just couldn't pass that one up!)

B

JSe3689836@... wrote:

> What's a Winamp?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Have you seen the new Whassup?! Video
> http://click.egroups.com/1/6008/11/_/19617/_/962071057/
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.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Ross T.

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:42 PM

Subject: [pota] skin

Quick question everyone,

     Does anyone have a POTA Winamp skin?  For those of you who don't know
what Winamp is, nevermind, but I've been looking all over the internet for a
POTA skin, and can't find one.  A very sincere THANK YOU to anyone who can
point me in the right direction.




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________Get

Thanks for the info. Go Apes!

Hey everyone,

Found this one out of the clear blue. Have I told the group about the
movie mistakes website? Well, in case i didn't,
http://www.movie-mistakes.com/ is a GREAT resource for mistakes on movies,
i'm fascinated by it. They even got some posts on POTA and BPOTA. But
anyways, I check out the "Movie news" part of the page, it's a link on the
frame to the left. They gots some info on the new POTA movie, here's it
pasted:

"It seems that Matt Damon has still to make a final decision between taking
the lead in Tim Burton�s "Planet Of The Apes" or Doug Linman�s "The Bourne
Identity." While talking to iFUSE the actor revealed that Burton�s "concept
is really ambitious. It's not going to be like the original," before going
on to say that he really wants to work with "Swingers" and "Go" director
Linman on "The Bourne Identity."

Perhaps Damon should hurry up and let Tim Burton know his decision; while
talking to Cinescape "Three Kings," "Boogie Nights," and "The Perfect Storm"
star Mark Wahlberg revealed that he too has been talking to Burton about the
role; "People tell me I'm pretty simian, but I think Tim Burton wants me to
be the Charlton Heston�Tim is the kind of guy where I just say yes to
anything he wants me to do. I did say, `What kind of ape do you want me to
play?' and Tim has said, `You're the human.'"

However producer Richard Zanuck revealed recently that whoever does replace
Charlton Heston as leading man will not get the chance to play opposite the
star of the original, as there is no chance of Heston returning, even in a
cameo role; Zanuck said quite succinctly "There's no part for him." He went
on to talk about the approach that maverick film maker Burton will be taking
with the movie; "It's not a sequel, it's not a remake of "Planet of the
Apes," it's a reconstruction of the basic idea -- a reimagination of apes
and humans."


Well, that's about it, check out the page, if you have time, and look at the
news section so you see I'm not lying. Enjoy!




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

Greene's book spends THREE PAGES on the school bus seen briefly at the
climax of Battle. The mutants represent black schoolchildren being bused to
white neighborhoods (Ape City), and meeting with angry, violent protest by
the residents of that city. Three pages.
____________

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Anyone interested in POTA Chat on Egroups...here's
the time scheduled for tonight.

Eastern: 8 pm -1 am
Central: 7 pm -12 am
Mountain: 6 pm -11 pm
Pacific: 5 pm -10 pm

Any comments, suggestions or changes to the
schedule would be welcome.

Thanks

> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
>
> www.cinescape.com
>
> Mark Wahlberg take the lead role for Planet of the Apes!!
> Lead story on cinesape.com
>
> Keep your eyes open for updates on Entertainment Tonight and Access
> Hollywood, sooner or later they will have this update on their shows.
>
> Alex
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

For those of us who use Macs, there is bad news

eGroups does not support the chat system. (a java based problem)

Oh well.....

If you also have a Mac like me, then please email support@egroups.com
and get them to support it

M

I'm on a Mac G4 at work and I share your pain.
I have to wait until I get home and get on my PC...
I'll e-mail egroups and harass them as well. :)

Mark Gould wrote:

>
> For those of us who use Macs, there is bad news
>
> eGroups does not support the chat system. (a java based problem)
>
> Oh well.....
>
> If you also have a Mac like me, then please email support@egroups.com
> and get them to support it
>
> M
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sure this will offend some people, but I think it's funny!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/6001/11/_/19617/_/962232489/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey everyone,

Found this one out of the clear blue. Have I told the group about the
movie mistakes website? Well, in case i didn't,
http://www.movie-mistakes.com/ is a GREAT resource for mistakes on movies,
i'm fascinated by it. They even got some posts on POTA and BPOTA. But
anyways, I check out the "Movie news" part of the page, it's a link on the
frame to the left. They gots some info on the new POTA movie, here's it
pasted:

"It seems that Matt Damon has still to make a final decision between taking
the lead in Tim Burton�s "Planet Of The Apes" or Doug Linman�s "The Bourne
Identity." While talking to iFUSE the actor revealed that Burton�s "concept
is really ambitious. It's not going to be like the original," before going
on to say that he really wants to work with "Swingers" and "Go" director
Linman on "The Bourne Identity."

Perhaps Damon should hurry up and let Tim Burton know his decision; while
talking to Cinescape "Three Kings," "Boogie Nights," and "The Perfect Storm"
star Mark Wahlberg revealed that he too has been talking to Burton about the
role; "People tell me I'm pretty simian, but I think Tim Burton wants me to
be the Charlton Heston�Tim is the kind of guy where I just say yes to
anything he wants me to do. I did say, `What kind of ape do you want me to
play?' and Tim has said, `You're the human.'"

However producer Richard Zanuck revealed recently that whoever does replace
Charlton Heston as leading man will not get the chance to play opposite the
star of the original, as there is no chance of Heston returning, even in a
cameo role; Zanuck said quite succinctly "There's no part for him." He went
on to talk about the approach that maverick film maker Burton will be taking
with the movie; "It's not a sequel, it's not a remake of "Planet of the
Apes," it's a reconstruction of the basic idea -- a reimagination of apes
and humans."


Well, that's about it, check out the page, if you have time, and look at the
news section so you see I'm not lying. Enjoy!




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

As you may know by now,Mark wahlberg got the Charlton Heston part. Check out
Cinescape.

I've got a Mac G3 and can't use the darned chat thing either.

Chris

In a message dated 6/28/00 4:37:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:
<<The mutants represent black schoolchildren being bused to white
neighborhoods (Ape City), and meeting with angry, violent protest by the
residents of that city. Three pages. >>

Does this mean Mandemus was "The Man"? As in, "workin' for The Man"? Only
"The Man" would have guns.....plus, Mandemus was locked away safely in his
little bunker (i.e. insulated suburbs). Or was Gov. Kord "The Man"? (What
kind of "Kord" ? An EXTENSION "Kord" ? An EXTENSION of white opression from
the old world into the next? And what kind of racist crap was the "I don't
know the orangatan" remark?) Of course, poor little Cornelius represented
Eldridge Cleaver, that was obvious.

Over-intellectualizing is fun. If I type enough of this shit and get a
REALLY bad haircut will they interview me for the next "POTA" special?? (I'd
be willing to drill holes in my head AND live in my parents' basement....)

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> Or was Gov. Kord "The Man"? (What
> kind of "Kord" ? An EXTENSION "Kord" ? An EXTENSION of white opression from
> the old world into the next?

It was Kolp. Someone once told me that being informed gave you more
ammo for arguing.

In a message dated 6/28/0 11:48:35 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< It was Kolp. Someone once told me that being informed gave you more ammo
for arguing. >>

Might be true most of the time, but NOT when one is over-intellectualizing
(or aggrandizing....anything with an -ing ending). I mean, if no-budget
dictates working a SCHOOL BUS into the plot that's later transmogrified into
social commentary, what's wrong with "Kord"? Besides, misspelling his name
helped my weak argument.

So, what do you think my chances are for the next "POTA" special?

OH MY God!!! I just got my shipment of the Mediacom Planet of the APes figures
in: Lucius, Zira, Cornelius, 2 different soldiers, and URSUS! The URSUS is
ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!!!! (And anyone who knows me knows how critical I can be.
This slobbering e-mail of praise is well deserved!!!)

I'm going to have to get another Ursus just to have one out of the package!
These babies are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!

Anyone interested in ordering them should contact

Jay Brotter
c/o Toy Tokyo
Box 1859
New York, NY 10159
e-mail: Robotorium@...

Enjoy,

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for Apemania.com

I was wondering what kept you. Figured you'd be all over these.

I repainted Cornelius' face (they seem to have gotten the shadows and
highlights reversed, as well as making him yellow-ish), but yes - these are
indeed beautiful sculpts. Next wave is Taylor, Zaius, and Urko and a
soldier from the TV series.

I'm not a big fan of the packaging, so I had no problem tearing it open to
display it. Cornelius and Ursus are the two to beat. Can't believe they're
making 19 of them, yet no Mutants.

Medicom is a remarkable company for collectibles. They did a 12" Phantom of
the Paradise that is unbelievable.

>From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] MEDIACOM figures
>Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:59:37 -0700
>
>OH MY God!!! I just got my shipment of the Mediacom Planet of the APes
>figures
>in: Lucius, Zira, Cornelius, 2 different soldiers, and URSUS! The URSUS
>is
>ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!!!! (And anyone who knows me knows how critical I can
>be.
>This slobbering e-mail of praise is well deserved!!!)
>
>I'm going to have to get another Ursus just to have one out of the package!
>These babies are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!
>
>Anyone interested in ordering them should contact
>
>Jay Brotter
>c/o Toy Tokyo
>Box 1859
>New York, NY 10159
>e-mail: Robotorium@...
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Brian Penikas
>Keeper of the Glue and Faith for Apemania.com
>
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>I mean, if no-budget
>dictates working a SCHOOL BUS into the plot that's later transmogrified
>into
>social commentary,

Dude, these decisions were made subconciously. I'm sure they could have
just grabbed another tank off the lot, but somewhere in his head, sauced
British director J Lee Thompson CHOSE to use that school bus. Then he CHOSE
to direct a hundred shitty Charles Bronson movies.



____________

.html Hi, dear Apes friends!

I am Adami, from Brazil, and I have good news. Please, look at:

www.comix.com.br/eventos/apecon/

I´m not the ApeCon (São Paulo, Brazil - October 8th, 2000) organizator but I´m a celebrity invited!

Bye for now,
 

Adami

PS.: And, if possible, look at our POTA website:

www.mcanet.com.br/lostinspace/apes/apes.html/b>
 
 

<.html

Yeah, those figures do look cool.
I just got the Japanese Laser Disc collection of Planet of the Apes from an
e-bay auction.
Battle for the planet of the apes has over 8 deleted scenes not given in the
U.S. version. Now that's a real treat! It's like seeing Battle for the first
time.
I hope they include these deleted scenes in DVD, that way I'll have a two
set collection.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 7:59 AM
Subject: [pota] MEDIACOM figures


> OH MY God!!! I just got my shipment of the Mediacom Planet of the APes
figures
> in: Lucius, Zira, Cornelius, 2 different soldiers, and URSUS! The URSUS
is
> ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!!!! (And anyone who knows me knows how critical I can
be.
> This slobbering e-mail of praise is well deserved!!!)
>
> I'm going to have to get another Ursus just to have one out of the
package!
> These babies are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!
>
> Anyone interested in ordering them should contact
>
> Jay Brotter
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>I just got the Japanese Laser Disc collection of Planet of the Apes from an
>e-bay auction.
>Battle for the planet of the apes has over 8 deleted scenes not given in
>the
>U.S. version. Now that's a real treat!

Please, put them on your site, so I can stop promising to copy mine for
people!



____________

Just read another Mark Wahlberg announcement, but this one said Gary Oldman
is in talks to play "an anti-human ape senator, which James Whitmore
originated in the first Apes feature." Huh? Are the characters based on
characters from the original or aren't they?

____________

Just for those in the UK

I see Battle is to be shown on ITV in the UK 3.25pm Saturday.

I suspect most of us have it on Video anyway (without the ads).

M

You got it Phil.
They will be up soon in mint laser quality.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Nobile <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] MEDIACOM figures


>
>
> >I just got the Japanese Laser Disc collection of Planet of the Apes from
an
> >e-bay auction.
> >Battle for the planet of the apes has over 8 deleted scenes not given in
> >the
> >U.S. version. Now that's a real treat!
>
> Please, put them on your site, so I can stop promising to copy mine for
> people!
>
>
>
> ____________

That's what I wanted to hear.

Speaking of cut scenes, the Greene book, for all its intellectualizing,
seems to relish showing cut scenes from EVERY damn apes film. The one they
got for Battle shows the three humans (teacher, doctor, MacDonald) secretly
eating a cooked rabbit in their little shed, since apes forbid them to eat
meat.

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] MEDIACOM figures
>Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:21:08 -0400
>
>You got it Phil.
>They will be up soon in mint laser quality.
>
>Alex
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Philip Nobile <soylentphil@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [pota] MEDIACOM figures
>
>
> >
> >
> > >I just got the Japanese Laser Disc collection of Planet of the Apes
>from
>an
> > >e-bay auction.
> > >Battle for the planet of the apes has over 8 deleted scenes not given
>in
> > >the
> > >U.S. version. Now that's a real treat!
> >
> > Please, put them on your site, so I can stop promising to copy mine for
> > people!
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________

____________

Mark Gould <mark.gould@...> wrote:

>Just for those in the UK
>I see Battle is to be shown on ITV in the UK 3.25pm Saturday.

Fascinating fact: many years ago, when I was just a wee lad, ITV showed
Battle on a Saturday afternoon, as part of a series of SF films that I'd
been watching every Saturday. That was my first experience of PotA, and the
birth of my crazy obsession.

OK, so it wasn't fascinating at all, but it is a fact.

Alan

In a message dated 6/29/0 9:45:30 AM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< Then he CHOSE to direct a hundred shitty Charles Bronson movies. >>

Okay. But what does Charles Bronson represent?

In a message dated 6/29/0 1:16:00 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
<<...Gary Oldman is in talks to play "an anti-human ape senator... >>

Gary Oldman can do no wrong, from assassinating Kennedey's to reinterpreting
gay icons from Irwin Allen teevee shows. He'd rock as an ape. Post-modern
Roddy McD? (Who else do they have, Renee frickin' Aberjenous [sic]? Spare
me.)

In a message dated 6/29/0 2:26:58 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< The one they got for Battle shows the three humans (teacher, doctor,
MacDonald) secretly eating a cooked rabbit in their little shed, since apes
forbid them to eat
meat. >>

So, the interesting content of that book (all five percent) really is
interesting as heck. What was the point of the scene? Were they discussing
something relative to the plot? Why the meat....did the whit-- er, humans
become hungry for meat?

>So, the interesting content of that book (all five percent) really is
>interesting as heck. What was the point of the scene?

Maybe it was subversive behavior of the oppressed. I don't know. The scene
is in the novelization. I'll look it up.


____________

Just got the first batch of deleted Battle scenes on the site.
Say Phil. Why don't you do us a favor and scan some of those deleted
pictures you have for all of us to enjoy.

I don't know about everyone else, but would love to see them, hell I'll even
post them on the site and credit them to you.

What do you say?

Alex

> That's what I wanted to hear.
>
> Speaking of cut scenes, the Greene book, for all its intellectualizing,
> seems to relish showing cut scenes from EVERY damn apes film. The one

they

> got for Battle shows the three humans (teacher, doctor, MacDonald)

secretly

> eating a cooked rabbit in their little shed, since apes forbid them to eat
> meat.
>

>Just got the first batch of deleted Battle scenes on the site.
>Say Phil. Why don't you do us a favor and scan some of those deleted
>pictures you have for all of us to enjoy.

Fair enough. I'll email them to you and you can check them out. I'll also
scan the deleted scenes that were shown in the trading card set released in
98.

>I don't know about everyone else, but would love to see them, hell I'll
>even
>post them on the site and credit them to you.
>
>What do you say?

Only if you promise NOT to credit me.

>Alex
>
> > That's what I wanted to hear.
> >
> > Speaking of cut scenes, the Greene book, for all its intellectualizing,
> > seems to relish showing cut scenes from EVERY damn apes film. The one
>they
> > got for Battle shows the three humans (teacher, doctor, MacDonald)
>secretly
> > eating a cooked rabbit in their little shed, since apes forbid them to
>eat
> > meat.
> >
>
>
>
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____________

The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.

>Wow, if this new film has talking humans, as did the T.V. series, than this
>film is going to be a total flop.
>It didn't work on television, and it won't work on the big screen.
>Talking apes and non-talking humans is the best formula.
>
>Because if your smart enough to talk, then your smart enough to up rise,
>and
>thus the movie wouldn't make any sence what-so-ever.
>From a logical point of view.
>
>I only hope they know what there doing.
>Because if this flops, the headlines are going to read:
>POTA died with Arthur Jacobs. (Sad thing to say, but never the less it
>would
>be true)
>
>Alex
>
>
> >From filmforce:
>
>FilmForce Exclusive: Could This Be The New Direction For Burton's Planet
>of the Apes?
>Mon, Jun 19, 2000 05:00 AM EDT
>
>Casting documents obtained by FilmForce show that casting has begun on
>Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes for 20th Century Fox. Submitted to
>casting agencies under the name The Visitor, the notices inform the
>agents and managers that no scripts will be made available for the
>project (which means that the William Broyles draft of the script still
>hasn't been seen). The start date for filming is listed as October,
>2000, with Richard Zanuck (Rules of Engagement) and Ralph Winter (Star
>Trek lll - Vl, X-Men) listed as producing.
>
>This obviously raises some questions: are the character names and
>descriptions supplied accurate or are they creative fabrications meant
>to throw the press (i.e.: us) off of what Burton intends to do with the
>film? In a report we ran last week (which you can read here), Burton
>talked about "re-visiting and re-imagining" the project. He said, "I
>had a feeling that there is a way to do it differently, exploring
>thematically similar things but in a different way." Burton added, "I
>think it can be revisited and re-imagined to a whole new generation and
>to people like me who are interested in other aspects of what the film
>said."
>
>So, maybe these character names and descriptions point to Burton's "new
>direction." It certainly looks like a different film than the Apes
>we're used to. Almost all of the parts were said to require "extensive
>prosthetic makeup" and agents were encouraged to submit African American
>and Asian actors for the parts (fans of the old Planet of the Apes film
>series may remember that African Americans were used in those films
>because the skin tones blended with the makeup better).
>
>The plot (as it reads in these descriptions) presents a world different
>that the one we're used to seeing in the PotA films. In this world,
>Ari, a beautiful princess in her early to mid-20's, takes up the plight
>of the humans. Believing that all creatures should be able to live in
>harmony, this philosophy runs afoul of other Apes like the military
>commander Thade, who sees Ari as a liberal "human-lover." Thade
>believes that humans are only good as slaves or for entertainment,
>certainly not on the level of his "higher species."
>
>Opposing Thade is Leo, presumably a human (as there is no mention of
>prosthetics for his character). Leo is leading the uprising that
>threatens Thade's rule. Aiding Leo is Limbo, an ape who sells humans as
>slaves on the black market. Described as providing moments of "comic
>relief," Limbo starts off opposed to Leo but sees the error of his ways.
>
>Also described is Senator Lawton, a member of the ruling government. In
>his 50's to 60's, Lawton is torn between his loyalty to Ari and his duty
>to Thade. This would seem to be similar to good old Dr. Zaius. Other
>characters include Krull, a brutish, forceful aide to Thade and Nica, a
>lieutenant who loses a legion of warriors and pays the ultimate price.
>
>Many of the characters listed seem to have parallels to characters in
>the original film. Leo, presumably the "visitor" of the title, would be
>similar to the Charlton Heston "Taylor" while Ari sounds a lot like Kim
>Hunter's "Zira." Thade is definitely in the same vein as General Urko
>(I;'m sure the webmaster means "Ursus":). In fact, the only character
>that doesn't seem to have a parallel is good old Cornelius, the
>suffering husband and chimpanzee scientist played by the late Roddy
>McDowall.
>
>Again, it's entirely possible that these descriptions are meant to be
>general sketches of the characters and may not even be how the
>characters appear in the final film. I mean, we are talking about Tim
>Burton here, which means anything goes. But it would seem to fit in with
>the "new direction" he's talked about for the film. One thing is
>certain, however - things have started rolling on the production and we
>should expect to hear more about it in the near future.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry
>experiments.
>http://click.egroups.com/1/5532/9/_/19617/_/961469707/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

____________

>The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
>Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.

You say it like it was an either/or. Don't forget the Fugitive/Hulk helping
out a town in trouble premise. Talking human Starsky and Hutch lookalikes
didn't help, pregnant cows and Uber-Apes aside.

>
> >Wow, if this new film has talking humans, as did the T.V. series, than
>this
> >film is going to be a total flop.
> >It didn't work on television, and it won't work on the big screen.
> >Talking apes and non-talking humans is the best formula.
> >
> >Because if your smart enough to talk, then your smart enough to up rise,
> >and
> >thus the movie wouldn't make any sence what-so-ever.
> >From a logical point of view.
> >
> >I only hope they know what there doing.
> >Because if this flops, the headlines are going to read:
> >POTA died with Arthur Jacobs. (Sad thing to say, but never the less it
> >would
> >be true)
> >
> >Alex
> >
> >
> > >From filmforce:
> >
> >FilmForce Exclusive: Could This Be The New Direction For Burton's Planet
> >of the Apes?
> >Mon, Jun 19, 2000 05:00 AM EDT
> >
> >Casting documents obtained by FilmForce show that casting has begun on
> >Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes for 20th Century Fox. Submitted to
> >casting agencies under the name The Visitor, the notices inform the
> >agents and managers that no scripts will be made available for the
> >project (which means that the William Broyles draft of the script still
> >hasn't been seen). The start date for filming is listed as October,
> >2000, with Richard Zanuck (Rules of Engagement) and Ralph Winter (Star
> >Trek lll - Vl, X-Men) listed as producing.
> >
> >This obviously raises some questions: are the character names and
> >descriptions supplied accurate or are they creative fabrications meant
> >to throw the press (i.e.: us) off of what Burton intends to do with the
> >film? In a report we ran last week (which you can read here), Burton
> >talked about "re-visiting and re-imagining" the project. He said, "I
> >had a feeling that there is a way to do it differently, exploring
> >thematically similar things but in a different way." Burton added, "I
> >think it can be revisited and re-imagined to a whole new generation and
> >to people like me who are interested in other aspects of what the film
> >said."
> >
> >So, maybe these character names and descriptions point to Burton's "new
> >direction." It certainly looks like a different film than the Apes
> >we're used to. Almost all of the parts were said to require "extensive
> >prosthetic makeup" and agents were encouraged to submit African American
> >and Asian actors for the parts (fans of the old Planet of the Apes film
> >series may remember that African Americans were used in those films
> >because the skin tones blended with the makeup better).
> >
> >The plot (as it reads in these descriptions) presents a world different
> >that the one we're used to seeing in the PotA films. In this world,
> >Ari, a beautiful princess in her early to mid-20's, takes up the plight
> >of the humans. Believing that all creatures should be able to live in
> >harmony, this philosophy runs afoul of other Apes like the military
> >commander Thade, who sees Ari as a liberal "human-lover." Thade
> >believes that humans are only good as slaves or for entertainment,
> >certainly not on the level of his "higher species."
> >
> >Opposing Thade is Leo, presumably a human (as there is no mention of
> >prosthetics for his character). Leo is leading the uprising that
> >threatens Thade's rule. Aiding Leo is Limbo, an ape who sells humans as
> >slaves on the black market. Described as providing moments of "comic
> >relief," Limbo starts off opposed to Leo but sees the error of his ways.
> >
> >Also described is Senator Lawton, a member of the ruling government. In
> >his 50's to 60's, Lawton is torn between his loyalty to Ari and his duty
> >to Thade. This would seem to be similar to good old Dr. Zaius. Other
> >characters include Krull, a brutish, forceful aide to Thade and Nica, a
> >lieutenant who loses a legion of warriors and pays the ultimate price.
> >
> >Many of the characters listed seem to have parallels to characters in
> >the original film. Leo, presumably the "visitor" of the title, would be
> >similar to the Charlton Heston "Taylor" while Ari sounds a lot like Kim
> >Hunter's "Zira." Thade is definitely in the same vein as General Urko
> >(I;'m sure the webmaster means "Ursus":). In fact, the only character
> >that doesn't seem to have a parallel is good old Cornelius, the
> >suffering husband and chimpanzee scientist played by the late Roddy
> >McDowall.
> >
> >Again, it's entirely possible that these descriptions are meant to be
> >general sketches of the characters and may not even be how the
> >characters appear in the final film. I mean, we are talking about Tim
> >Burton here, which means anything goes. But it would seem to fit in with
> >the "new direction" he's talked about for the film. One thing is
> >certain, however - things have started rolling on the production and we
> >should expect to hear more about it in the near future.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry
> >experiments.
> >http://click.egroups.com/1/5532/9/_/19617/_/961469707/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>____________

____________

Attachments :

> Fair enough. I'll email them to you and you can check them out. I'll

also

> scan the deleted scenes that were shown in the trading card set released

in

> 98.

Thanks Phil, that would be great.

> Only if you promise NOT to credit me.

You have my word on that.

Well everyone, ready or not here is comes!
POTA on DVD!
Here is what the box set is going to look like.

Alex

> The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
> Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.

Give me a break,
The T.V. show sucked!

And don't forget the dog in the first scene in the first episode.
Dogs on the Planet of the Apes?
I don't think so.

> >The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
> >Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
>
>You say it like it was an either/or. Don't forget the Fugitive/Hulk
>helping
>out a town in trouble premise. Talking human Starsky and Hutch lookalikes
>didn't help, pregnant cows and Uber-Apes aside.

What I meant to say is that each episode had a really bad premise associated
with it. Sigfried and Roy Orang or Pregnant Cows was an example.

And the dog that the chimp boy had in the first episode. I loved that. Did
the writers even see the movies?

>
> >
> > >Wow, if this new film has talking humans, as did the T.V. series, than
> >this
> > >film is going to be a total flop.
> > >It didn't work on television, and it won't work on the big screen.
> > >Talking apes and non-talking humans is the best formula.
> > >
> > >Because if your smart enough to talk, then your smart enough to up
>rise,
> > >and
> > >thus the movie wouldn't make any sence what-so-ever.
> > >From a logical point of view.
> > >
> > >I only hope they know what there doing.
> > >Because if this flops, the headlines are going to read:
> > >POTA died with Arthur Jacobs. (Sad thing to say, but never the less it
> > >would
> > >be true)
> > >
> > >Alex
> > >
> > >
> > > >From filmforce:
> > >
> > >FilmForce Exclusive: Could This Be The New Direction For Burton's
>Planet
> > >of the Apes?
> > >Mon, Jun 19, 2000 05:00 AM EDT
> > >
> > >Casting documents obtained by FilmForce show that casting has begun on
> > >Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes for 20th Century Fox. Submitted to
> > >casting agencies under the name The Visitor, the notices inform the
> > >agents and managers that no scripts will be made available for the
> > >project (which means that the William Broyles draft of the script still
> > >hasn't been seen). The start date for filming is listed as October,
> > >2000, with Richard Zanuck (Rules of Engagement) and Ralph Winter (Star
> > >Trek lll - Vl, X-Men) listed as producing.
> > >
> > >This obviously raises some questions: are the character names and
> > >descriptions supplied accurate or are they creative fabrications meant
> > >to throw the press (i.e.: us) off of what Burton intends to do with the
> > >film? In a report we ran last week (which you can read here), Burton
> > >talked about "re-visiting and re-imagining" the project. He said, "I
> > >had a feeling that there is a way to do it differently, exploring
> > >thematically similar things but in a different way." Burton added, "I
> > >think it can be revisited and re-imagined to a whole new generation and
> > >to people like me who are interested in other aspects of what the film
> > >said."
> > >
> > >So, maybe these character names and descriptions point to Burton's "new
> > >direction." It certainly looks like a different film than the Apes
> > >we're used to. Almost all of the parts were said to require "extensive
> > >prosthetic makeup" and agents were encouraged to submit African
>American
> > >and Asian actors for the parts (fans of the old Planet of the Apes film
> > >series may remember that African Americans were used in those films
> > >because the skin tones blended with the makeup better).
> > >
> > >The plot (as it reads in these descriptions) presents a world different
> > >that the one we're used to seeing in the PotA films. In this world,
> > >Ari, a beautiful princess in her early to mid-20's, takes up the plight
> > >of the humans. Believing that all creatures should be able to live in
> > >harmony, this philosophy runs afoul of other Apes like the military
> > >commander Thade, who sees Ari as a liberal "human-lover." Thade
> > >believes that humans are only good as slaves or for entertainment,
> > >certainly not on the level of his "higher species."
> > >
> > >Opposing Thade is Leo, presumably a human (as there is no mention of
> > >prosthetics for his character). Leo is leading the uprising that
> > >threatens Thade's rule. Aiding Leo is Limbo, an ape who sells humans
>as
> > >slaves on the black market. Described as providing moments of "comic
> > >relief," Limbo starts off opposed to Leo but sees the error of his
>ways.
> > >
> > >Also described is Senator Lawton, a member of the ruling government.
>In
> > >his 50's to 60's, Lawton is torn between his loyalty to Ari and his
>duty
> > >to Thade. This would seem to be similar to good old Dr. Zaius. Other
> > >characters include Krull, a brutish, forceful aide to Thade and Nica, a
> > >lieutenant who loses a legion of warriors and pays the ultimate price.
> > >
> > >Many of the characters listed seem to have parallels to characters in
> > >the original film. Leo, presumably the "visitor" of the title, would
>be
> > >similar to the Charlton Heston "Taylor" while Ari sounds a lot like Kim
> > >Hunter's "Zira." Thade is definitely in the same vein as General Urko
> > >(I;'m sure the webmaster means "Ursus":). In fact, the only character
> > >that doesn't seem to have a parallel is good old Cornelius, the
> > >suffering husband and chimpanzee scientist played by the late Roddy
> > >McDowall.
> > >
> > >Again, it's entirely possible that these descriptions are meant to be
> > >general sketches of the characters and may not even be how the
> > >characters appear in the final film. I mean, we are talking about Tim
> > >Burton here, which means anything goes. But it would seem to fit in
>with
> > >the "new direction" he's talked about for the film. One thing is
> > >certain, however - things have started rolling on the production and we
> > >should expect to hear more about it in the near future.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry
> > >experiments.
> > >http://click.egroups.com/1/5532/9/_/19617/_/961469707/
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> >____________ >____________

____________

> > The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows
>and
> > Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
>
>Give me a break,
>The T.V. show sucked!

It sucked for bad writing. Not because humans talked.

>
>And don't forget the dog in the first scene in the first episode.
>Dogs on the Planet of the Apes?
>I don't think so.

Exactly.

>
>
>
>
>
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>

____________

> The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
> Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.

Oh really?
Which of the POTA movies made the most money at the box office?
Now as yourself why?

Alex

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> > The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
> > Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
>
> Oh really?
> Which of the POTA movies made the most money at the box office?

The one with all the mute humans.

> Now as yourself why?

Because it was the best of the five movies?

> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > > The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows

and

> > > Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
> >
> > Oh really?
> > Which of the POTA movies made the most money at the box office?
>
> The one with all the mute humans.
>
> > Now as yourself why?
>
> Because it was the best of the five movies?

That is correct!

Alex

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

> > The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows and
> > Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
>
> Oh really?
> Which of the POTA movies made the most money at the box office?
> Now as yourself why?

That's not a good analogy. First off, the limitations of
non-talking humans for weekly television is not practical.
Secondly, the first film made the most money for obvious
reasons - budget, stars, storyline... NOT because the
humans didn't talk. You have to remember that a television
program has to appeal to more than just the 'die hard'
ape fans in order for it to be successful. Studios and networks
are in business to make money.

90-CORVETTE wrote:

>
> That's not a good analogy. First off, the limitations of
> non-talking humans for weekly television is not practical.

The limitations of talking apes for weekly television is not practical,
either. Personal affection aside, they strained to get five movies out
of the concept.

Philip Nobile wrote:

> The limitations of talking apes for weekly television is not practical,
> either. Personal affection aside, they strained to get five movies out
> of the concept.

Bad stories are to blame there. It was sort of like
tuning into the original Star Trek in the third season
without having seen Season One or Season Two!
LOL

Okay, so did "BPOTA" suck because Victor Buono opened his mouth (and not to
stick a submarine sandwhich inside, but to speak)? He was sort of human. So
was Mendez and the boys. And Apjac's woman.

And Nova did a Lou Ferrigno impression while managing to scream, "Tayl-or!"

Speaking humans ruining the show is a gratuitous assertion. There was plenty
of stuff to ruin the show, humans talking the lame-assed teevee dialogue was
just one of them.

> Bad stories are to blame there. It was sort of like
> tuning into the original Star Trek in the third season
> without having seen Season One or Season Two!
> LOL

Well, when it comes to Planet of the Apes, you don't really have much room
to play with. It is a primative ape world.
So all you can really do is: Human is captured, Human escapes, Human is
recaptured, Human escapes.

So with that in mind, I think they did one hell of a job in making these
movies more interesting with dealing in time travel. And bringing us right
to the very origin on how it all began!

But no matter how one may feel about the original to the sequals, or even
television, over all, the number one formula that made this movie what it is
today, is talking apes and mute humans. The evolutionary twist!
For that is what planet of the apes is all about.

Alex

Some thoughts on the passing parade...

THE NEW FLICK: When I first heard about Burton and, especially, Zanuck
doing the new "Apes" I was stoked. A little of the old, a little of the new.
But is it me or is this project starting to take a downturn? Enough already
with all the talk about appealing to teens! Rick Baker says he wants the new
female ape to be sexy to 13 year old boys. Zanuck valorized the casting of
Mark Whatshizname by saying he's "considered by young girlsto be very cool,
cute, sexy and buff". Fox has got egg on their face by playing to the teen
audience with "Titan A.E." the biggest flop this year (yes, bigger than
"Battlefield Earth"). I happened to like it but shows prefabrication to a
certain audience is no guarantee of success. Sidenote: I mentioned to
Natalie Trundy about the casting and though she couldn't place Mark W. she
liked his movie "3 Kings". She's very pleased with the possibility of Gary
Oldman being cast, she says he'd be wonderful.

MEDICOM: Yes, the Medicom figures are great but the price stops me from
being too thrilled. I'm looking forward to those "Ape" model reissues from
Polar Lights in July (Cornelius, Ursus) and October (Zira, Zauis).

GREENE BOOK: I didn't always agree with it (Eric tended to analyze
everything but the kitchen sink) but I think it's a very thoughtful work.
It's easy to slam it but someone who applied more rigor in reading it might
come away with some insight about pop culture and how it relates to our
third dimension. I don't consider it any less an intellectual exersize than
trying to figure out how the movies fit together chronologically.

TV SHOW: I've always enjoyed it; it's no worse than the other sci-fi TV
shows of the '70's and had a good cast.

MORE ON THE NEW MOVIE: I was interested in the casting synopsis that
appeared in this space about a week ago. Even if it's a smoke screen to the
actual plot there must be some truth to it, since they are using it to cast.
I've heard from another source that none of the familiar characters (Zauis,
Zira, etc.) will be returning. Zanuck has said there's no role for Heston.
Let's face it, this isn't going to bear much or any resemblance to the
"Planet of the Apes' we know. Maybe that's good, it'll provide a distance
and not besmirch beloved characters. Then again, the original movie series
killed off most of the characters in the first sequel, and the rest in the
second. "Planet of the Apes" is about a concept , not a set of characters
or situations. The plot provided for the cating sounds a bit like the early
Adam Rikin and Oliver Stone concepts, plus some "Episode 1" thrown in (a
princess, slaves, a goofy sidekick). The story was hammered out around the
time of the "Episode 1" hype, so that's not surprising. It sounds more like
a war film than science fiction (Burton calls "Apes" a "fairytale, a
folktale"). I still maintain they should do the book but it's probably too
late. I'm gritting my teeth wondering how this will all end up.- - - Jeff
Krueger

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> > Fair enough. I'll email them to you and you can check them out. I'll
> also
> > scan the deleted scenes that were shown in the trading card set released
> in
> > 98.
>
> Thanks Phil, that would be great.
>
> > Only if you promise NOT to credit me.
>
> You have my word on that.
>
> Well everyone, ready or not here is comes!
> POTA on DVD!
> Here is what the box set is going to look like.
>
> Alex
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I woudn't write this movie off so soon. Mark Walberg was pretty good in "The
Three Kings". Also I wouldn't say that "Titan AE" was the biggest flop of the
year. On the "
Battlefield Earth" thing, the movie was horrible. The book was really good
though, long but good.

Chris

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> The plot provided for the cating sounds a bit like the early
> Adam Rikin and Oliver Stone concepts, plus some "Episode 1" thrown in-

To quote, of all things, "Spaceballs":

"Oh, shit. There goes the planet."

> > The plot provided for the cating sounds a bit like the early
> > Adam Rikin and Oliver Stone concepts, plus some "Episode 1" thrown in-
>
> To quote, of all things, "Spaceballs":
>
> "Oh, shit. There goes the planet."

I know exactly how you feel.
But with a little hope, the only thing that will save such a script from
flopping would be Tim Burton's vision as a director.
If Tim is thinking sequal, perhaps he has a rabbit, or in this case two
rabbits to pull out of his hat.

Lets see what happens.

Alex

In a message dated 7/1/00 2:09:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< To quote, of all things, "Spaceballs":

>
> "Oh, shit. There goes the planet."
>>

In today's day and age, I find it best to kepp expectations low, that way
your not as disappointed if it fails, but your exstatci whens its above par.
Let's face it, POTA is held to such a high standard among members of this
group, that obviously nothing could ever compare to it. So lets look at the
new movie as an unexpected bonus, we're lucky a 30 year old movie is being
"revised" in the loosest meaning of the word.

> << To quote, of all things, "Spaceballs":
> >
> > "Oh, shit. There goes the planet."
> >>
>
> In today's day and age, I find it best to kepp expectations low, that way
> your not as disappointed if it fails, but your exstatci whens its above

par.

> Let's face it, POTA is held to such a high standard among members of this
> group, that obviously nothing could ever compare to it. So lets look at

the

> new movie as an unexpected bonus, we're lucky a 30 year old movie is being
> "revised" in the loosest meaning of the word.

You bet!
I totally agree with that, for as I have said before a long time ago.
This new apes film is going to bring on a lot of fan web sites as well as
merchandise! Merchandise that we now as adults won't have any problems
getting are little hands on.
For as a child when the original came out, I wasn't even old enough to have
a job. Little lone afford to buy anything.

So as I look foward to this remake, I know in my heart that the shoes of
Arthur P. Jacob's are going to be pretty BIG fill. So I really don't expect
it to be better.
But at least it will be enjoyable to watch.

Alex

Well said, Dr. Evil. We'll just have to hope for the best. Can't wait to see
who gets the "Nova" part. Go Apes............

...

>> new movie as an unexpected bonus, we're lucky a 30 year old movie is

being

>> "revised" in the loosest meaning of the word.

I think just how lucky we are remains to be seen. If it turns out to be the
biggest load of drivel, I don't think we can consider ourselves too lucky.

>This new apes film is going to bring on a lot of fan web sites as well as
>merchandise! Merchandise that we now as adults won't have any problems
>getting are little hands on.

This is a worry. Now that the film is more or less confirmed, just watch the
memorabilia prices skyrocket. It's a bit of a pisser for people like us who
already have an interest that collectors are going to vastly inflate the
price of goods which have no link to the new film other than the name.

Alan

I agree prices will go up for a while, but take it from someone who paid
$350US for a sheet of English Gift Wrap and can now buy 3 sheets for $25US,
the collectible market is already CRAZY as hell!!!!!!

OK, so who else in the group is a collector? I collect mainly the old toys
(not posters as that would be a mammoth task!).

Michael

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From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2000 4:56
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Catch up

...

>> new movie as an unexpected bonus, we're lucky a 30 year old movie is

being

>> "revised" in the loosest meaning of the word.

I think just how lucky we are remains to be seen. If it turns out to be the
biggest load of drivel, I don't think we can consider ourselves too lucky.

>This new apes film is going to bring on a lot of fan web sites as well as
>merchandise! Merchandise that we now as adults won't have any problems
>getting are little hands on.

This is a worry. Now that the film is more or less confirmed, just watch the
memorabilia prices skyrocket. It's a bit of a pisser for people like us who
already have an interest that collectors are going to vastly inflate the
price of goods which have no link to the new film other than the name.

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> I agree prices will go up for a while, but take it from someone who paid
> $350US for a sheet of English Gift Wrap and can now buy 3 sheets for

$25US,

> the collectible market is already CRAZY as hell!!!!!!
>
> OK, so who else in the group is a collector? I collect mainly the old

toys

> (not posters as that would be a mammoth task!).
>
> Michael

Well, my collective interest is more into rare footage, pictures, trading
cards, ape magazines and now dolls, but not the 74 dolls but the new hasbro
12 inch dolls.
When I was younger I use to love those GIJOE 12 inch dolls, so this new
hasbro line has resparked my interest.
The Dr. Zaius and General Ursus I don't like at all, they could have made
them better, but Taylor, Zira, Cornelius and the Gorilla Army dolls are very
cool!

Alex

P.S.
Talk about collective craze!
Try to get your hands on a Star Wars Special Edition Laser Disc Set with the
new added footage, because their not on DVD, and won't be for a very long
time, those things are going for nearly $300.00 a pop on e-bay auctions.
They start off low, but once that auction gets close to closing they go
right through the roof!!

But I will have my box set one day! :o)

I hope Medicom consider 12" and maybe play sets for the smaller scale
figures.

Michael

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From: Alexander Ruiz [byruiz@...]
Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2000 8:25
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Catch up

> I agree prices will go up for a while, but take it from someone who paid
> $350US for a sheet of English Gift Wrap and can now buy 3 sheets for

$25US,

> the collectible market is already CRAZY as hell!!!!!!
>
> OK, so who else in the group is a collector? I collect mainly the old

toys

> (not posters as that would be a mammoth task!).
>
> Michael

Well, my collective interest is more into rare footage, pictures, trading
cards, ape magazines and now dolls, but not the 74 dolls but the new hasbro
12 inch dolls.
When I was younger I use to love those GIJOE 12 inch dolls, so this new
hasbro line has resparked my interest.
The Dr. Zaius and General Ursus I don't like at all, they could have made
them better, but Taylor, Zira, Cornelius and the Gorilla Army dolls are very
cool!

Alex

P.S.
Talk about collective craze!
Try to get your hands on a Star Wars Special Edition Laser Disc Set with the
new added footage, because their not on DVD, and won't be for a very long
time, those things are going for nearly $300.00 a pop on e-bay auctions.
They start off low, but once that auction gets close to closing they go
right through the roof!!

But I will have my box set one day! :o)




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> I hope Medicom consider 12" and maybe play sets for the smaller scale
> figures.
>
> Michael

Yeah, that would be great!
I hope that is the case once the new film gets closer to the release date.
Most likely it will be.

Alex

Hi all,
For what it's worth, I thought I'd offer my humble opinion on all the recent
hub-bub.

NEW MOVIE: Love Tim Burton's work and think Marky Mark will be fine. After all,
he's already had some experience w/ prosthetics (i.e. Boogie Nights). I share
the opinion of those who have low or no expectations of the new film. If it
rocks, let's be pleasantly surprised but if we go in expecting whatever clicked
in our 11 year old ( for me at least) minds and stayed w/ us until now, forget
it. It ain't going to happen. If the movie is a disappointment then we've just
wasted the price of admission and the film can be added to the long list of
disappointing movies we've all experienced.

THE TV SERIES: A lot has been said about how crappy the TV series was. I must
admit as an Apes obsessed 12 year old, I was in Apes heaven each week when the
show originally aired. They could have spent an entire episode showing Urko
picking his nose and I would have been riveted ( a slight exaggeration, I wasn't
very discerning back then.) Anyway, as a kid I thought the show was cool and
remember being devastated when it was cancelled. As an adult , there are about
three episodes that I find watchable all the way through. APES wasn't the only
crappy 70's TV series based on a movie, remember "Logan's Run" the TV series? It
had the same premise as POTA, two fugitives on the run from the authorities w/
their friendly android tagging along for the ride. I vaguely remember another
series that starred Roddy McDowall as a "Dr. Smith" type character who journeyed
from dimension to dimension w/ a group of people. "Fantastic Journey" maybe?

ERIC GREENE'S BOOK: As the first detailed book on the making of the saga, it's
well researched and comprehensive but I do believe he reads a little too much
into things. Anyone know when the long awaited "Planet of the Apes Revisited"
book is going to be released? It's been on the boil for years.

THE PRICE OF COLLECTIBLES: I've been collecting for about 8 years and have (
what I consider to be) a pretty comprehensive collection. I'm now at the point
where the items I want are all high priced anyway. Being ripped off by dealers
over the years is something I've had to deal with. I was even taken advantage of
by a "fellow collector" who exploited my naivety when I first started out. So
you live and you learn and give yourself a threshold where the item just isn't
worth a certain price above what you're willing to pay. I've had to learn the
hard way. The price of vintage APE collectibles probably will rise in the short
term w/ the release of the new movie. After a while, the prices will probably
settle as they did for vintage Addams Family and Lost In Space items did after
their respective big screen ventures. If the new film sparks a resurgence w/
dormant fans, it'll just mean that there will be more bidders on Ebay and
finally those canister puzzles and "Monkey Missiles" that always seem to be
available ( along w/ "rare" Mego dolls..don't get me started) will dry up.

Best to all,
KEN

Attachments :

Here's some trivia.
For those of you who weren't aware ( and I wouldn't expect you to be.) Eric
Greene, author of "POTA: As American Myth" was a child actor who starred along
side Jonathan Harris in the 1977 TV series "Space Academy".
Attached is a photo. He still has the same haircut in "Behind the POTA".
So there you go.

In a message dated 6/30/0 11:19:20 PM, BlakerG@... writes:
<< On the "Battlefield Earth" thing, the movie was horrible. The book was
really good
though, long but good. >>

Hold onto your e-meters! Maybe the apes in Burton's sequel will be
Scientologists. You know, Dr. Xemu instead of Dr. Zaius. Will we have to
give them all our money to leave the theatre? Screw that, I'll stay home and
download porn. And stare at my Medicom Ursus....still can't believe he was
Inspector Luger from "Barney Miller".

In a message dated 7/1/0 1:09:05 AM, byruiz@... writes:
<<....thing that will save such a script from flopping would be Tim Burton's
vision as a director. >>

Consider it flopped, Burton couldn't tell a story to save his pencil-neck
life. High on quirk, low on compelling. Marky Marky is the least of the
problems, Dressy Blacky is the kiss of frickin' death. Mark my words.

> Consider it flopped, Burton couldn't tell a story to save his pencil-neck
> life. High on quirk, low on compelling. Marky Marky is the least of the
> problems, Dressy Blacky is the kiss of frickin' death. Mark my words.

I'd have to disagree there, Tim Burton may be just what the doctor ordered.
Because if it's a flop, it will be a creative flop. As most of his movies
are. :o)
Cult classic.

> Here's some trivia.
> For those of you who weren't aware ( and I wouldn't expect you to be.)

Eric

> Greene, author of "POTA: As American Myth" was a child actor who starred

along

> side Jonathan Harris in the 1977 TV series "Space Academy".
> Attached is a photo. He still has the same haircut in "Behind the POTA".
> So there you go.

Ahh!
So that explains it, I was wondering why they allowed that young guy on The
Behind the Planet of the Apes video. That's interesting.

Which brings to mind that comment that Pete Burk made in the behind the
planet of the apes video. (t.v. show segment)
I STILL GET FAN MAIL FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD!
The first thing that came to my mind was, HIS MOTHER MUST TRAVEL AROUND THE
WORLD A LOT! :o)

Because that T.V. show sucked! :o)

Long live Arthur P. Jacob's dream.
And not that crap that the Hollywood Pencil Pushers made on Television after
his death.

Alex

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

> THE TV SERIES: A lot has been said about how crappy the TV series was. I must
> admit as an Apes obsessed 12 year old, I was in Apes heaven each week when the
> show originally aired. They could have spent an entire episode showing Urko
> picking his nose and I would have been riveted ( a slight exaggeration, I wasn't
> very discerning back then.) Anyway, as a kid I thought the show was cool and
> remember being devastated when it was cancelled. As an adult , there are about
> three episodes that I find watchable all the way through. APES wasn't the only
> crappy 70's TV series based on a movie, remember "Logan's Run" the TV series? It
> had the same premise as POTA, two fugitives on the run from the authorities w/
> their friendly android tagging along for the ride. I vaguely remember another
> series that starred Roddy McDowall as a "Dr. Smith" type character who journeyed
> from dimension to dimension w/ a group of people. "Fantastic Journey" maybe?

I agree. At a young age, as an Apes fan... I would have been happy
with ANYTHING on TV. The problem where I lived at the time (San
Diego) was that they aired the new Apes series at 6pm on Saturdays
(or was it Sundays?). It was difficult to be there to watch it. I think
the time slot helped kill it also.

Logan's Run the TV series was great! Okay, it wasn't so good, but
again, at that age ANYTHING was GREAT!

Roddy McDowall did a series called "Fantastic Journey." It also
starred Donald Moffet as an android, and the lovely Katie Saylor
(who I had the good fortune to meet and still have a wonderful
8x10 signed photo of her that is heading for Ebay auction shortly!).

They had great TV series of this kind back then. Today's TV is so...
awful. What happened?

90 (JP-Entertainment)

I don't know if you guys heard or know or even previously posted this info,
but I read in the boston herald that Marky Mark (sans funky bunch) was signed
for Tim Burton's new POTA as well as a sequel. Just wanted to let you all know

If anybody on the list has the read the book Monkey Planet, a guy who visited
my website wanted to know if the planet Soror was Earth or not. I haven't
read the book so I couldn't answer the question, but my bets are with it
being Earth, but I don't want to give him a wrong answer. Any answers would
be appreciated it.

Chris

> If anybody on the list has the read the book Monkey Planet, a guy who

visited

> my website wanted to know if the planet Soror was Earth or not. I haven't
> read the book so I couldn't answer the question, but my bets are with it
> being Earth, but I don't want to give him a wrong answer. Any answers

would

> be appreciated it.
>
> Chris

Hi Chris
The novel by Pierre Boulle was to be a different planet where man was the
animal and apes were the masters. (But not planet Earth)
Then when Arthur P. Jacob's wanted the planet to be earth, Pierre Boulle
wasn't happy with it. But Arthur went ahead with his gut feeling and left it
as earth.

And so the rest is Ape History!
And so this is why there will never be another like Arthur P. Jacobs.

Alan Maxwell wrote:

>
> ...
> >> new movie as an unexpected bonus, we're lucky a 30 year old movie is
> being
> >> "revised" in the loosest meaning of the word.
>
> I think just how lucky we are remains to be seen. If it turns out to be the
> biggest load of drivel, I don't think we can consider ourselves too lucky.
>
> >This new apes film is going to bring on a lot of fan web sites as well as
> >merchandise! Merchandise that we now as adults won't have any problems
> >getting are little hands on.

But merchandise based on the new film? Is it just teh packaging with
the words "Planet of the Apes" printed on it that you're interested in?
If the movie's no good, I don't see myself buying Danny Devito ape
merchandise. On the other hand, if Fox puts out some kind of
comprehensive book about the making of the original, to tie in with the
release of the remake, I'd dig that.

> This is a worry. Now that the film is more or less confirmed, just watch the
> memorabilia prices skyrocket.

Good point, but I'm done buying most of the older stuff at this point.

A correction here: Fantastic Journey starred Roddy McDowell,Jared
Martin ,Katie Saylor,Ike Eisenmann,&Carl Franklin. Donald Moffit was
never on that series. Jared Martin's character was Varian, a man from
the future, not an android. Getting back to POTA,1 of my most vivid
memories is seeing "Battle" in a crowded theatre. When Caesar gave
the line,"Now fight like Apes!", the entire theatre cheered! It gives
me goosebumps still to think about it. Has anyone else had a similar
experience with POTA? Incidently ,my favorite POTA film is "Escape".
Is this anyone else'S favorite? As for "Beneath", I have always
thought it would have been better if Charlton Heston had been in it
throughout ,instead of James Franciscus.As for the upcoming remake'
after what Tim Burton did to "Mars attacks",I almost cringe to think
what he will do to POTA. It should be a great comedy(sarcasm).

> But merchandise based on the new film? Is it just teh packaging with
> the words "Planet of the Apes" printed on it that you're interested in?
> If the movie's no good, I don't see myself buying Danny Devito ape
> merchandise. On the other hand, if Fox puts out some kind of
> comprehensive book about the making of the original, to tie in with the
> release of the remake, I'd dig that.

If I like it, I'll buy it.
That's the bottom line.

Alex

Thanks to everyone who answered the Monkey Planet question.

Chris

I always get goosebumps when I see the last scene in POTA with the Statue of
Liberty. I think if you get goosebumps at the end of the movie or in another
one of its scenes, then it is generally a pretty good movie.

Chris

You're right. Sorry. Moffit was in "Logan's Run." Boy how
time robs the memory, eh?

Jim Taylor wrote:

> A correction here: Fantastic Journey starred Roddy McDowell,Jared
> Martin ,Katie Saylor,Ike Eisenmann,&Carl Franklin. Donald Moffit was
> never on that series. Jared Martin's character was Varian, a man from
> the future, not an android.

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

>
> Eric
> Greene, author of "POTA: As American Myth" was a child actor who starred along
> side Jonathan Harris in the 1977 TV series "Space Academy".
> Attached is a photo. He still has the same haircut in "Behind the POTA".

Jesus. That's the funniest damn thing I've seen all week. Not just the
picture, but that you had the screen cap right on hand for us. Thanks,
man.

I read peirre boulle's book and i seem to remeber the main character ulyses
return to his ship to fly home only to land in a feild with tall grass and
soon sees a gorilla driving a military jeep to greet him..the there was the
whole frame work with the two chimps reading the whole story on a space ship

Give Burton a break. APES is not a comic strip, nor is it a set of trading
cards from the sixties or a fable of a guy with no head so he will probably
not treat it as such.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Taylor [Taylor401306@...]
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2000 0:44
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: MY 2 CENTS

A correction here: Fantastic Journey starred Roddy McDowell,Jared
Martin ,Katie Saylor,Ike Eisenmann,&Carl Franklin. Donald Moffit was
never on that series. Jared Martin's character was Varian, a man from
the future, not an android. Getting back to POTA,1 of my most vivid
memories is seeing "Battle" in a crowded theatre. When Caesar gave
the line,"Now fight like Apes!", the entire theatre cheered! It gives
me goosebumps still to think about it. Has anyone else had a similar
experience with POTA? Incidently ,my favorite POTA film is "Escape".
Is this anyone else'S favorite? As for "Beneath", I have always
thought it would have been better if Charlton Heston had been in it
throughout ,instead of James Franciscus.As for the upcoming remake'
after what Tim Burton did to "Mars attacks",I almost cringe to think
what he will do to POTA. It should be a great comedy(sarcasm).


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> Give Burton a break. APES is not a comic strip, nor is it a set of

trading

> cards from the sixties or a fable of a guy with no head so he will

probably

> not treat it as such.
>
> Michael

I agree fully, POTA is not a kiddie movie, for all one needs to do is look
at the endings of the films, dark and bleak!

That's why TIM BURTON my just be what the doctor ordered.
I can see Arthur P. Jacob's smiling down on him right now.

Alex

Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...> wrote:

>The novel by Pierre Boulle was to be a different planet where man was the
>animal and apes were the masters. (But not planet Earth)
>Then when Arthur P. Jacob's wanted the planet to be earth, Pierre Boulle
>wasn't happy with it. But Arthur went ahead with his gut feeling and left

it

>as earth.

Ulysse did return to Earth at the end though, which may have inspired the
ending of the film.

Incidentally, does anyone have the definitive answer to who actually thought
up the Statue of Liberty ending? I hear a lot of "we did this" and "they did
that", but was this ending the work of one individual? If so, who? Jacobs?
Serling? Wilson? Who actually decided, and when was it added? (I've not many
drafts of the script)

Alan

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>OK, so who else in the group is a collector? I collect mainly the old toys
>(not posters as that would be a mammoth task!).

I tend to collect pretty much anything depending on what takes my fancy. I
haven't bought many of the figures because they're damn expensive,
especially in the UK. Likewise with posters, although I do own a couple of
old ones - those big folded ones, 'cos I managed to get them a hell of a lot
cheaper than rolled ones.

The comics and books are nice to collect because they're cheaper than a lot
of the collectables and heck, it's nice to see some new Ape adventures.
Other good things to go for because of the low cost are film stills. Basic
stills (colour or black and white) are very easy to get hold of because
they're so common and there are absolutely tons of Ape ones available. Of
course you could also spend a little more and go for FOH stills / lobby
cards etc. A bit pricier, but still cheaper than many other collectables.

Other than that, I tend to buy whatever I feel like - trading cards (though
I currently only own the 90-card Inkworks set, some of the chase cards, and
the old TV series set), jigsaw puzzle, board game, etc.

Alan