> I tend to collect pretty much anything depending on what takes my fancy. I
> haven't bought many of the figures because they're damn expensive,
> especially in the UK. Likewise with posters, although I do own a couple of
> old ones - those big folded ones, 'cos I managed to get them a hell of a

lot

> cheaper than rolled ones.

Boy! Your not kidding when comes to the U.K. they're Items are always
expensive when they place them on e-bay auctions.
Those inkwork autograph cards mostly start off at $40.00 +
I mean if it's hard to find I'll pay the price, but I feel a bit uneasy
sending money so far away from my pocket! :o)

The cost of living must be really high there.
Oh, well.

Alex

> Incidentally, does anyone have the definitive answer to who actually

thought

> up the Statue of Liberty ending? I hear a lot of "we did this" and "they

did

> that", but was this ending the work of one individual? If so, who? Jacobs?
> Serling? Wilson? Who actually decided, and when was it added? (I've not

many

> drafts of the script)

Try: www.rodserling.com/POTA.htm

One of many other drafts.

Alex

Yes, I spend far too much time on this internet thingy. There's actually a site
deadicated to to a lame old 70's TV show that only ran for like 15 episodes.
Go figure.

Philip Nobile wrote:

> Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:
> >
> > Eric
> > Greene, author of "POTA: As American Myth" was a child actor who starred along
> > side Jonathan Harris in the 1977 TV series "Space Academy".
> > Attached is a photo. He still has the same haircut in "Behind the POTA".
>
> Jesus. That's the funniest damn thing I've seen all week. Not just the
> picture, but that you had the screen cap right on hand for us. Thanks,
> man.
>
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how do I join this
kig smith

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

>
> Yes, I spend far too much time on this internet thingy. There's actually a site
> deadicated to to a lame old 70's TV show that only ran for like 15 episodes.
> Go figure.

Okay, so you found the pic online. I thought you had it on standby or
something. I feel better now.

My local, well meaning comic book dealer had a little surprise for me
this weekend... All four issues of the Adventure Comics "Ape City"
mini series. It was being offered cheap so out of curiosity I bought
it.

Now the Adventure comics are relatively rare in the UK. I'd read
"Urchaks Folly" which I actually thought was pretty good and "Blood
of the Apes" which was silly but fun. But "Ape City"... It was
appalling! The worst art I've ever seen. The most stupid story I've
ever read, the most childish writing I've ever come across in a comic
book... Was this the worst Ape story ever? (I'd always thought the
old Marvel "Pirate ship" series was up until I read this)There are
still a lot of Adventure issues I've yet to find. Should I bother?
Were they all this bad? Did Charles Marshal (Writer) really make a
living out of this?

Dave Ballard wrote:

> There are
> still a lot of Adventure issues I've yet to find. Should I bother?
> Were they all this bad?

Unfortunately, they were ALL that bad! LOL
If you don't have the POTA's magazine format comic from
Marvel, get those. I have them all and they are very good.

Dave Ballard <dballard@...> wrote:

>Now the Adventure comics are relatively rare in the UK. I'd read
>"Urchaks Folly" which I actually thought was pretty good and "Blood
>of the Apes" which was silly but fun. But "Ape City"...
>Was this the worst Ape story ever?

I love it! I think it's great that they tried something truly different. It
was always going to divide the fans, but I fall into the section that like
it. It certainly doesn't surprise me that there are fans who hate it. And so
on to your other question...

>There are
>still a lot of Adventure issues I've yet to find. Should I bother?
>Were they all this bad? Did Charles Marshal (Writer) really make a
>living out of this?

I think you'll probably enjoy the others more, as they're closer to
"traditional" PotA. Although on the other hand MC Wyman, who drew Ape City,
also did the art on a lot of them so maybe you won't. I always liked Wyman's
art - seemed like one of the few artists who could draw the Apes well enough
that each character looked different.

Which ones have you still to read? I'll let you know my thoughts on them.

Alan
PS I always liked the Ape Riders too.

TIM BURTON: I have some faith in him and Richard Zanuck. I don't forsee
Burton turning "Apes" into a teen flick despite all the talk. His main
influence is old horror movies so I don't see the connection but Burton says
he wants to retain the "message" of the original so maybe there's hope.
Perhaps all the teen talk is to give the studio some confidence, since this
is such an expensive undertaking (and Burton's box office record is not
stellar recently, "Sleepy Hollow" aside).

ERIC GREENE: I know Eric so I don't have to go to the internet, I have
pictures of him with me. He's kinda embarrassed by "Space Academy" but I
think it would be cool to have that kind of history, even if the show isn't
a masterpiece. At a sci-fi convention, Bobby Porter (Cornelius in "Battle")
commended Eric for making something of himself and not falling into the
child actor traps. By the way, there was actually an Eric Greene action
figure from "Space Academy".

COLLECTING: I got most of my old items about ten years ago before the prices
went up, especially the Mego figures which were my favorite childhood toys
(even though I busted them all in about a week back then). I've had some
losses, but they were interesting ones. I designed a birthday cake for John
Chambers and stuck a soldier ape and Burke figure on it. The ape was
stolen and Burke lost a shoe but it was for John. My Gen. Ursus or Urko
figure (the one with the helmet) , his boots have teeth marks in them from
Natalie Trundy's dog! At the prices they're going for now, it's tough for
them to be lost or damaged but it's something to tell the grandkids. I've
also collected other old stuff when I got a bargain (posters, trading cards,
magazines), but mostly I stick to the new stuff. I'm currently seeking a
Japanese connection to get a break on the Medicom figures. If nothing else,
Tim Burton's involvement means the merchandise will look interesting, so I
might collect it even if I hate the movie.

STATUE OF LIBERTY: It's my understanding that Rod Serling came up with
the ending, though Arthur Jacobs also claimed credit (he also claimed credit
for finding the novel, though Natalie Trundy says she did). Heston says in
his published diary that he improvised much of the dialogue there.

ADVENTURE COMICS: These comics, published in 1990 - '92, were an event for
me. Fans finding them now might be jaded with a new movie around the corner,
but back then there was nothing else "Ape-wise going on, and there hadn't
been for about 15 years. At their worst it was still a welcome return, and
at their best (usually the miniseries- - though I hated "Ape City" and "Ape
Nation") it was almost the good 'ol days. I think the big mistake was mostly
letting Charles Marshall run the show instead of alternating writers. I
eagerly await "Apes"' return to comics and hope someone will finally adapt
the Boulle novel.


- - - Jeff Krueger

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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Catch up


> > > The plot provided for the cating sounds a bit like the early
> > > Adam Rikin and Oliver Stone concepts, plus some "Episode 1" thrown in-
> >
> > To quote, of all things, "Spaceballs":
> >
> > "Oh, shit. There goes the planet."
>
> I know exactly how you feel.
> But with a little hope, the only thing that will save such a script from
> flopping would be Tim Burton's vision as a director.
> If Tim is thinking sequal, perhaps he has a rabbit, or in this case two
> rabbits to pull out of his hat.
>
> Lets see what happens.
>
> Alex
>
>
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(Note the interesting irony)

My Gen. Ursus or Urko
figure (the one with the helmet) , his boots have teeth marks in them
from
Natalie Trundy's dog!


Now that's got to affect the value!

M

> My Gen. Ursus or Urko
> figure (the one with the helmet) , his boots have teeth marks in them
> from
> Natalie Trundy's dog!
>
>
> Now that's got to affect the value!

Hummm...
Maybe a little.
Now if Natalie had bit it, we're talking priceless!!
(just kidding)

Alex :o)

Hey everyone,

Due to this group and other outside forces, I've started to grow an
interest in POTA collecting. I really don't have much at all right now,
except for a couple of Hasbro figures. Anybody got any advice or "tricks of
the trade" for a beginning collector like me? His ebay the best and only
way to go, or are there other places? Any help or points in the right
direction are appreciated as always!




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

> Hey everyone,
>
> Due to this group and other outside forces, I've started to grow an
> interest in POTA collecting. I really don't have much at all right now,
> except for a couple of Hasbro figures. Anybody got any advice or "tricks

of

> the trade" for a beginning collector like me? His ebay the best and only
> way to go, or are there other places? Any help or points in the right
> direction are appreciated as always!
>
>
>
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....

Well, there is a great collectors book for sale on all POTA merchandise at
the time machine web site: www.timem.com

That will give you a good start in knowing what's out there and more
importantly what you would like to get your hands on.
A full history on POTA merchandise.

As far as buying, my place has always been e-bay.
There are items there you clearly won't find anywhere else.
That's where I got my Japanese Import Laser Disc Box set of POTA.
E-bay is the best place at least for now anyway, as the internet is fast
growing.

Alex

Natalie bit me. Does that count?- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Natalie Trundie's dog bites ape!


> > My Gen. Ursus or Urko
> > figure (the one with the helmet) , his boots have teeth marks in them
> > from
> > Natalie Trundy's dog!
> >
> >
> > Now that's got to affect the value!
>
> Hummm...
> Maybe a little.
> Now if Natalie had bit it, we're talking priceless!!
> (just kidding)
>
> Alex :o)
>
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Dog bites man..that's not news
man bites dog...ahh it's been done
Natalie Trundy's Dog bites Ape!!!....call the post!

I just saw "Three Kings", a kind of Gulf War "MASH". It was excellent and
Mark Wahlberg did a good job in the pivotal role. So far I've seen that and
"Boogie Nights" and perhaps the Artist Formerly Known as Marky Mark isn't
such a bad choice for "Apes" if they insist on going for that age range.
Those who want to know more about the guy filling Charlton Heston's
loincloth are directed to the official website, www.markwahlberg.com . His
first major film was "Renaissance Man" (1994) with his prospective "Apes"
co-star Danny Devito. I like that he has the requisite rough exterior but
with a vulnerable voice. Hard to imagine him saying, "Take your stinking
paws off me, etc." but interesting. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Adventure comics


> Dave Ballard <dballard@...> wrote:
> >Now the Adventure comics are relatively rare in the UK. I'd read
> >"Urchaks Folly" which I actually thought was pretty good and "Blood
> >of the Apes" which was silly but fun. But "Ape City"...
> >Was this the worst Ape story ever?
>
> I love it! I think it's great that they tried something truly different.
It
> was always going to divide the fans, but I fall into the section that like
> it. It certainly doesn't surprise me that there are fans who hate it. And
so
> on to your other question...
>
> >There are
> >still a lot of Adventure issues I've yet to find. Should I bother?
> >Were they all this bad? Did Charles Marshal (Writer) really make a
> >living out of this?
>
>
> I think you'll probably enjoy the others more, as they're closer to
> "traditional" PotA. Although on the other hand MC Wyman, who drew Ape
City,
> also did the art on a lot of them so maybe you won't. I always liked
Wyman's
> art - seemed like one of the few artists who could draw the Apes well
enough
> that each character looked different.
>
> Which ones have you still to read? I'll let you know my thoughts on them.
>
> Alan
> PS I always liked the Ape Riders too.
>
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I think Mark Wahlberg will do a fine job. I was casting the new film in my
head with the original characters. What do you think? Johnny Depp would be
great as Cornelius, And Wynona Ryder would make a great Zira. As far as Dr.
Zauis...somehow I could see William H. Macy in that role. That role demands a
quality actor. And you have to remember that Tim Burtons wife shows up in
every film he has ever done. Let's hope they find someone good for Nova. Rob

On Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:23:02 +1000 Ken & Heather Taylor
<kentaylor@...> writes:

> Anyone know when the long awaited "Planet of the Apes
>Revisited" book is going to be released? It's been on the boil for

years.


It's on the schedule for 2001. I've contributed something to the book so
I keep in touch with the author on a fairly regular basis. As new info
becomes available I'll certainly post it.

Chris L.

____

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:11:22 EDT "Philip Nobile"
<soylentphil@...> writes:

>Greene's book spends THREE PAGES on the school bus seen briefly at the
>climax of Battle. The mutants represent black schoolchildren being
>bused to white neighborhoods (Ape City), and meeting with angry, violent

>protest by the residents of that city. Three pages.

To quote a review of the book I read some time ago: "Sometimes,a school
bus driving across the desert is just a school bus driving across the
desert".

Although I do appreciate the obvious effort that went into the book,
Green obviously read WAY too much into certain things, but then he
completely overlooked some of the more obvious stuff. Every few pages I
would find myself saying "What!?!" out loud while reading his
interpretations. One of the longest stretches was that since Nova was a
beautiful woman it was better that she was seen and not heard. Which is
why that after she spoke in BENEATH she had to be killed.

Oy.


Chris L.


PS- I keep hearing about this book containing all these missing scenes
(the Earth being destroyed at the beginning of ESCAPE, MacDonald, Abe,
and (can't think of her name now) secretly eating a rabbit in BATTLE).
Are these in the hardcover or softcover versions? I have the hardcover
and don't remember these photos, and it's on loan to a friend so I can't
even go and check.




____

For those who are interested in reading Eric Greene's book, the softcover
is the way to go. It's $10 cheaper and has those rare pictures of which we
speak. It's also updated (at least to 1998) about the new movie, including
quotes from James Cameron that I contributed. I basically look at it as a
rorshach test (however it's spelled) - - Eric basically puts down what comes
into his mind and each reader takes away what they can. It's one of the
most unique "Ape" books that will ever be written, well researched and Eric
makes alot of points almost everyone can agree on.

"Planet of the Apes Revisited" finally has a publisher that is thoroughly
behind it (St. Martin's Press). I've been waiting for this book for almost
15 years and Joe Russo tells me it's finally going to happen. From what I
understand, it's going to stick to the 5 movies, with not much time given to
the TV shows, the merchandise or the phenomenon. Charlton Heston is writing
the intro and it'll be dedicated to Arthur Jacobs and Roddy McDowell. It
looks to be the definitive "Apes" book. - - - Jeff Krueger

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From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Battle Busing


> On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:11:22 EDT "Philip Nobile"
> <soylentphil@...> writes:
>
> >Greene's book spends THREE PAGES on the school bus seen briefly at the
> >climax of Battle. The mutants represent black schoolchildren being
> >bused to white neighborhoods (Ape City), and meeting with angry, violent
>
> >protest by the residents of that city. Three pages.
>
>
> To quote a review of the book I read some time ago: "Sometimes,a school
> bus driving across the desert is just a school bus driving across the
> desert".
>
> Although I do appreciate the obvious effort that went into the book,
> Green obviously read WAY too much into certain things, but then he
> completely overlooked some of the more obvious stuff. Every few pages I
> would find myself saying "What!?!" out loud while reading his
> interpretations. One of the longest stretches was that since Nova was a
> beautiful woman it was better that she was seen and not heard. Which is
> why that after she spoke in BENEATH she had to be killed.
>
> Oy.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> PS- I keep hearing about this book containing all these missing scenes
> (the Earth being destroyed at the beginning of ESCAPE, MacDonald, Abe,
> and (can't think of her name now) secretly eating a rabbit in BATTLE).
> Are these in the hardcover or softcover versions? I have the hardcover
> and don't remember these photos, and it's on loan to a friend so I can't
> even go and check.
>
>
>
>
> ____

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Anybody know how many and the names of POTA TV espisode compliations (such as
the Forgotten City of the Planet of the Apes) were made.

Chris

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> > The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows
>and
> > Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
>
>Oh really?
>Which of the POTA movies made the most money at the box office?
>Now as yourself why?

Because it was well written, not because the humans were mute.

>
>Alex
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> > The TV show didn't work because they had episodes about pregnant cows
> >and
> > > Orangs with German accents, not because the humans talked.
> >
> >Oh really?
> >Which of the POTA movies made the most money at the box office?
> >Now as yourself why?
>
> Because it was well written, not because the humans were mute.

If you say so.

Alex

Hi again,

Here's my opinion on the choice for the lead role, it stinks. I guess
I'm being hippocritical, since I really haven't seen Wahlberg in any lead
role in a movie, but I still can't shake off the bad feeling I have of him,
partly because of his former music career. Look at the orignial, Chuck
Heston wasn't a "rising star," or a "soon-to-be famous" kinda guy. Heston
was already a VERY established actor, and very well respected. The lead and
supporting actors are probably the third most important factor in a movie,
and putting it in the hands of an amature, I don't feel, is a wise move. I
think if Burton could have casted a big name, like Tom Hanks or Russ Crowe,
the movie would have done unarguably better at the box office, win over the
critics more easily, and overall had been a better picture. Obviously, I'm
not all mighty and knowing, and there are plenty of counter-examples to what
I'm trying to say, but nevertheless, I continue to feel that Mark wasn't a
good decision; perhaps it was the best out of the options they had. I still
haven't shook off the feeling that due to a number of factors, the "remake,
sequel, prequel, whatever u want to call it," will be horrid.




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

____________

Marky Mark (Mr. Wahlberg to YOU) is a pretty good choice considering the
age range they want (whether they should have went older like the original
is another debate). Name a great, well-known actor in their 20's. One could
make an argument for others over Wahlberg, but the ranks are pretty thin.
One thing they didn't need is a $20 million star. "Planet of the Apes"can
sell itself, thank you. Spend the money on the film. By the way, this
weekend "The Perfect Storm" (starring Marky Mark) was the box office champ
with $41.7 million (it's expected to be up to around $60 million after the
July 4rth holiday). Meanwhile, "The Patriot" (for which Mel Gibson got $25
million) made $31 million over it's first 5 days, opening two days before
"Storm". In short, Wahlberg's price is about to go up and Fox has already
snagged him.

The new issue of "Filmfax" has an interview with Kim Hunter. The current
cover of "Fetish" has a model dressed like Lisa Marie from "Mars Attacks",
showing even Tim Burton flops resonate in pop culture!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross T." <smoothrt@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:11 PM
Subject: [pota] Marky Mark


> Hi again,
>
> Here's my opinion on the choice for the lead role, it stinks. I guess
> I'm being hippocritical, since I really haven't seen Wahlberg in any lead
> role in a movie, but I still can't shake off the bad feeling I have of
him,
> partly because of his former music career. Look at the orignial, Chuck
> Heston wasn't a "rising star," or a "soon-to-be famous" kinda guy. Heston
> was already a VERY established actor, and very well respected. The lead
and
> supporting actors are probably the third most important factor in a movie,
> and putting it in the hands of an amature, I don't feel, is a wise move.
I
> think if Burton could have casted a big name, like Tom Hanks or Russ
Crowe,
> the movie would have done unarguably better at the box office, win over
the
> critics more easily, and overall had been a better picture. Obviously,
I'm
> not all mighty and knowing, and there are plenty of counter-examples to
what
> I'm trying to say, but nevertheless, I continue to feel that Mark wasn't a
> good decision; perhaps it was the best out of the options they had. I
still
> haven't shook off the feeling that due to a number of factors, the
"remake,
> sequel, prequel, whatever u want to call it," will be horrid.
>
>
>
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
> Smoothness is all....
>
> ____________

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> Marky Mark (Mr. Wahlberg to YOU) is a pretty good choice considering the
> age range they want (whether they should have went older like the original
> is another debate). Name a great, well-known actor in their 20's.

Edward Norton.

> One thing they didn't need is a $20 million star. "Planet of the Apes"can
> sell itself, thank you. Spend the money on the film.

I agree with this logic - Wahlberg's usually as good as his material,
but you can't hang the success or failure of any of his films on him.
Show of hands, "The Big Hit"? Anyone? "Fear"? Anyone? "Three Kings"
was a superior effort, haven't seen "Perfect Storm", but not even
Clooney (the real star of both, and also a brief contender for the Apes
lead way back when) seems to get the kudos for the films' success. Good
or bad, POTA isn't resting on Marky Mark's shoulders.

I don't know how good Wahlberg will be in the part, as I don't even know
what the part IS. It's a human. Yay. Beyond that, nada.

In a message dated 7/5/0 12:43:54 AM, pjn1209@... writes:

<< Edward Norton. >>

You mean the old guy from "The Honeymooners" ? Isn't he dead?

><< Edward Norton. >>
>
>You mean the old guy from "The Honeymooners" ? Isn't he dead?

No, he's alive. AND he was the first to play Felix Unger on Broadway,
opposite Walter Matthau, who IS dead.

Art Carney and Jackie Gleason would have been great in FIGHT CLUB. All the
guys in the basement could have worn coonskin caps.
____________

In a message dated 7/5/0 8:47:57 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
<<AND he was the first to play Felix Unger on Broadway, opposite Walter
Matthau, who IS dead.>>

Is Matthau going to be in the "POTA" remake?

<<Art Carney and Jackie Gleason would have been great in FIGHT CLUB. >>

"Hey NOOOR-ton! How would YOU, like to PUNCH ME, as HARD as you CAN?"

> I don't know how good Wahlberg will be in the part, as I don't even know
> what the part IS. It's a human. Yay. Beyond that, nada.

Well, if it is a Heston type role, I believe he will be good at it.
If it's one thing that Wahlberg has besides great acting, is strong
personality.
The same personality that made Heston and Franciscus perfect for the role.

It only makes the role that much more believable.
But the baby face has got to go, put a beard on him like Heston and
Franciscus and we would be looking a whole different person.
And perfect for the role.


Alex

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [byruiz@...]
Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2000 1:27
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] The Theme

Does anyone know yet who will be working on the music score?

If it's one thing that would be hard to match or overpass is Jerry Goldsmith's POTA Theme.

 

Truely Classic!

 

Alex

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Bet it is Smashing Pumpkins, who did a great rendition of  "the Simpsons"..........

 

MIchael

 

God forbid!

I just hope they go the classical direction.

Rock and Roll on the Planet of the Apes?

 

Holy Moly!

Now I've seen everything! 

 

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.html I doubt they will do anything arty and modernist like the original. Didn't it win an award for the score?

Personally, I'd like something very gritty. If they set the whole thing in a 'sci-fi' atmosphere, then perhaps minimalism wouldn't go amiss.

You can't beat that opening ape call though, and the piano resonance that follows..... chilling almost.

M
 
 

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 

Bet it is Smashing Pumpkins, who did a great rendition of  "the Simpsons".......... MIchael God forbid!I just hope they go the classical direction.Rock and Roll on the Planet of the Apes? Holy Moly!Now I've seen everything!

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In a message dated 7/5/0 5:24:45 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< Rock and Roll on the Planet of the Apes? >>

So long as the protag is bearded and the humans are mute, it can't fail
anyway. Right?

> In a message dated 7/5/0 5:24:45 PM, byruiz@... writes:
>
> << Rock and Roll on the Planet of the Apes? >>
>
> So long as the protag is bearded and the humans are mute, it can't fail
> anyway. Right?

If you mean perfect balance?
Yes my friend, for that is true art in movie making.
Live and learn.

Alex

In a message dated 7/5/0 6:40:40 PM, byruiz@... writes:
<< Yes my friend, for that is true art in movie making.>>

Stupid me. And here the whole time I thought the secret was sympathetic
characters in a compelling plot. No wonder I can't sell dick.

<<Live and learn. >>

Okay. Learn what?

> Stupid me. And here the whole time I thought the secret was sympathetic
> characters in a compelling plot. No wonder I can't sell dick.
>
> Okay. Learn what?

Sell Dick?
Dick will get you nowhere. Only a cheap dark corner. :o)

Alex

In a message dated 7/5/0 7:04:00 PM, byruiz@... writes:
<< Dick will get you nowhere. Only a cheap dark corner. :o) >>


Mwah-hah-ha-hah-ha-ha-hah-ha-hah-ha-bwa-ha. I don't get it.

Anyone grab the "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" soundtrack from FSM?
Leonard Rosenman did just as well if not better than Goldsmith, carried the
torch admirably. Just as experimental as the first film, same edge with a
sense of wonder and dread.

All 32 tracks (!) are morbidly fascinating. First 19 are the score, the
second 13 are from the slightly funky remixed "BPOTA" album originally
released with the film.

Play "Mass of the Holy Bomb" really loud in your backyard and watch what the
neighbor's do.

Anyone out there have a nice shot of Zira that they can send me the link to?
I really need to see her boots and what specific color they are (working
on a custom).

Thanks!
____________

Tim Burton has almost always worked with Danny Elfman (Edward
Scissorhands/The night before Xmas/Batman/Mars Attacks!)

I'll bet money on Elfman getting the gig.

Jon sent me this:

http://www.justbetoys.com/new/ape_vinyl.jpg

Nice stuff for the Medicom fans.
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Zira' shoes are brown.  There are usually tons of foto of Zira on eBay.  Ebay sometimes can be the best library!  There's a good shot of her sitting in the wagon with Lucious and a gorilla.  That might be a shot to look for.

Brian

Jon Hendy wrote:

Anyone out there have a nice shot of Zira that they can send me the link to?
  I really need to see her boots and what specific color they are (working
on a custom).

Thanks!
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Anyone catch the blurb on Wahlberg being cast in the remake in this
weeks Time Magazine? (The one with Life on the Mississippi on the
cover) It's on page 118 in the People section. Written by Josh
Tyrangiel. Has a picture of Wahlberg smiling like Buster Poindexter.
It's titled "Damn Dirty Gen-X Ape" Here's the complete text:" Cast
Keanu Reeves as Moses in The Ten Commandments if you like. Make
Freddie Prinze Jr. into the new Judah Ben-Hur. But why, why, why must
Hollywood desecrate Charlton Heston's perfect performance as Colonel
George Taylor in Planet of the Apes? Mark (Marky Mark) Wahlberg, 29,
signed on this week to fill Heston's giant sandals as the cluelessly
histrionic time traveller in Tim Burton's reimagining of the great
ape film, tentatively scheduled for a July 4, 2001 release. (Wahlberg
has already committed to the sequel.) Gary Oldman is reportedly being
considered for the role of the evil president of the ape assembly. No
word if Wahlberg will sport a Calvin Klein loincloth." Enjoy, John

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Philip Nobile" <soylentphil@h...> wrote:

> Jon sent me this:
>
> http://www.justbetoys.com/new/ape_vinyl.jpg
>
> Nice stuff for the Medicom fans.
> Thanks for the heads up. Nova looks great!

__________

The latest name being thrown around, Estella Warren:

http://www.famousbabes.com/estella/ewpics1.htm

Since she's not an actress, I assume it's the mute hottie role we're
talking about.

In a message dated 7/7/0 5:51:07 PM, pjn1209@... writes:

<< The latest name being thrown around, Estella Warren: >>

Nobody I'd want to stalk. Wait....nope, nobody I'd want to stalk.

Hey All,

I finally finished up the last of my 12" Apes customs. Thanks for everyone
on the Zira boot/shoe color thang.

I basically was really bummed at the quality of the 12" Hasbro Apes line.
The bodies sucked and the costumes were wrong in some ways (mostly the
coloring). So I put all of my apes on Adam bodies (the ultra-posable 12"
Joe body made by Dragon) and fixed them up (added hair, dyed clothes,
etc..). When it came to Ursus, I individually casted armor plates in resin
and constructed his body armor. Took forever. And yes, Nova is a Barbie.

The pictures aren't the greatest, but I figured that I'd give you guys and
gals a look and then take better pics later.

Planet customs:

http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/planet1.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/planet2.JPG

Beneath customs:
http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/beneath.JPG

Conquest customs:
http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/conquest.JPG

Battle customs:
http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/battle.JPG


____________

Just seen Jon's models

Zira looks reminds me of : Whoopi Goldberg (sorry it just does to me)

But it did set me thinking - she's might do a good Zira, possibly

< ducks and exits stage left >

If you are still trying to make up your mind wether or not to by the
recent "Beneath" CD, there's a nice review at:
http://members.aol.com/marcgothic/apes.html"

and an interesting letter at:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/08_Jul---Film_Score_Frid
ay.asp

These are greta. I like the three astronauts, and the slave apes from
Conquest best. Ursus also came together nicely.

And blame Zira's face on Hasbro, if you must.

I agree with Phil. A fine and dedicated job John Hendy! And I think it's
hilarious that someone else recognized Whoopie as the inspiration for
Hasbro's Zira face!

Hey, Gang, we had the pleasure of Booth Colman's presence in our studio
yesterday. We took lifecasts of his hands for our lifesize Dr. Zaius
mannequin currently in the works and did an impromptu interview with him
for the website. Oh what stories this gentleman has to tell, about Roddy,
Maurice, and Boris Karloff. Quite the fun afternoon. A really nice man.
It was an honor to have him here and to immortalize his hands in the
display.

Have a good weekend all,

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM


Philip Nobile wrote:

> These are greta. I like the three astronauts, and the slave apes from
> Conquest best. Ursus also came together nicely.
>
> And blame Zira's face on Hasbro, if you must.
>
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> If you are still trying to make up your mind wether or not to by the
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> http://members.aol.com/marcgothic/apes.html"
>
> and an interesting letter at:
> http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/08_Jul---Film_Score_Frid
> ay.asp

Hi Dave.
I just got my copy of the Beneath Soundtrack a week ago from e-bay.
I've never heard a soundtrack like this, vocal intros to movie scores.
In my opinion this thing totaly rock!
It's a great CD!

Alex

> Hey All,
>
> I finally finished up the last of my 12" Apes customs. Thanks for

everyone

> on the Zira boot/shoe color thang.
>
> I basically was really bummed at the quality of the 12" Hasbro Apes line.
> The bodies sucked and the costumes were wrong in some ways (mostly the
> coloring). So I put all of my apes on Adam bodies (the ultra-posable 12"
> Joe body made by Dragon) and fixed them up (added hair, dyed clothes,
> etc..). When it came to Ursus, I individually casted armor plates in

resin

> and constructed his body armor. Took forever. And yes, Nova is a Barbie.
>
> The pictures aren't the greatest, but I figured that I'd give you guys and
> gals a look and then take better pics later.
>
> Planet customs:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/planet1.JPG
> http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/planet2.JPG
>
> Beneath customs:
> http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/beneath.JPG
>
> Conquest customs:
> http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/conquest.JPG
>
> Battle customs:
> http://www.geocities.com/spencebrown/battle.JPG

Hi Jon.
I love your creations.
If you'd like I can place them on my site under FAN ART WORK.
Let me know.

Alex
www.prophecysite.com

Oops. Zira wasn't supposed to be in that shot. She's part of my "Jumping
Jack Flash" 12" custom line.

>Just seen Jon's models
>
>Zira looks reminds me of : Whoopi Goldberg (sorry it just does to me)
>
>But it did set me thinking - she's might do a good Zira, possibly
>
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Question  What movie said this quote?  Is it from POTA ?:

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent".

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From: Terry Hoknes

To: Marc Lecuit

Cc: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:30 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA

sorry I'm not sure if that is a POTA line

try writing pota@egroups.com and ask the question!

someone might have an answer !

Question  What movie said this quote?  Is it from POTA ?:

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent".

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That quote is from Star Wars Liam Neilson character said that to Jar Jar
Binks.

Chris

TBS is showing all 5 films, in chrono order, starting Monday, 7/10/00
with 1 film a day, starting at 2 pm Eastern.

So that's SciFi, USA, AMC, FXM, the occasional local station, and now TBS.
POTA is the slut of classic film series.

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>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] POTA Week on TBS
>Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:50:08 -0000
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>with 1 film a day, starting at 2 pm Eastern.
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Followed closely by the Mad Max trilogy. Those movies are on practically
every weekend on TNT, USA, TBS, etc. etc.

>So that's SciFi, USA, AMC, FXM, the occasional local station, and now TBS.
>POTA is the slut of classic film series.
>
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> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] POTA Week on TBS
> >Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:50:08 -0000
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"A friend of mine is doing session work with Rick Baker. Well, Rick has been
busy prepping sketches and design for the upcoming "Visitor" project, which
you know is the new "Apes" film. Well, on Wednesday they had a special guest
- Paul Reubens. Paul was in to have a lifecast (facial casting) made. Rick
supervised it and it took a couple of hours - start to finish. Rick spent
about thirty minutes more with him off the floor reviewing the
Cornelius/Chimpanzee sketches. Lifecasts are required for all foam latex
appliance "glued" facial makeups. It ensures a perfect fit of the appliance
to the actor's features. Rick summed it up with his staff afterward as "
keep a lid on this, it's not official yet". But.....it looks like Paul
Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play Cornelius. If so....that's pretty
cool."

____________

In a message dated 7/10/00 10:58:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:

<< But.....it looks like Paul
Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play Cornelius. If so....that's pretty
cool." >>

I can see it now..."get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape" "I know
you are but what am I?...HA HA"

no but seriously, Pee-Wee is the man, he deseves a comeback


as far as the POTA being the slut of TV series, you're forgetting that back
to the future series is shown almost weekly between TBS and TNT (showing only
part one) and USA and SCIFI showing parts 2+3 usually back to back...if your
lucky you can catch all 3 in one day!!!

In a message dated 7/10/0 9:58:51 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< But.....it looks like Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play Cornelius.
If so....that's pretty cool." >>


If Pee-Wee's portraying Cornelius, is this a straight remake or what?

In a message dated 07/10/2000 7:55:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
nextnexus@... writes:

> << But.....it looks like Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play

Cornelius.

>
> If so....that's pretty cool." >>
>
>
> If Pee-Wee's portraying Cornelius, is this a straight remake or what?
>

Cool? No! Why don't we get RuePaul as Dr. Zauis, Richard Simmons as Urko,
George Michael and Elton John could play "Ace & Gary" the bickering gorilla
roomates, and so on.

Pee-Wee Herman as Cornelius?? Will the Ape City have talking chairs? Will
there be a magic word, like "sexual deviant"?

No, Tim Burton, no. We don't need Cornelius hanging out in darkened porno
theaters "doing the cornfield roundup" with himself.

Is this thing going in the tank ALREADY?

becker0715@... wrote:

> Cool? No! Why don't we get RuePaul as Dr. Zauis, Richard Simmons as Urko,
> George Michael and Elton John could play "Ace & Gary" the bickering gorilla
> roomates, and so on.

You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right?

I think maybe he means Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play the
equivalent to Cornelius (ie the lead chimp).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: nextnexus@... [nextnexus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 10:20
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] I know you are but what am I?


In a message dated 7/10/0 9:58:51 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< But.....it looks like Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play
Cornelius.
If so....that's pretty cool." >>


If Pee-Wee's portraying Cornelius, is this a straight remake or what?

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into the equation?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 14:29
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] I know you are but what am I?

becker0715@... wrote:

> Cool? No! Why don't we get RuePaul as Dr. Zauis, Richard Simmons as

Urko,

> George Michael and Elton John could play "Ace & Gary" the bickering

gorilla

> roomates, and so on.

You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right?

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In a message dated 07/11/2000 12:56:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<<

> Cool? No! Why don't we get RuePaul as Dr. Zauis, Richard Simmons as Urko,
> George Michael and Elton John could play "Ace & Gary" the bickering gorilla
> roomates, and so on.

You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right? >>
I don't exactly agree with bashing homosexualy...But Richard Simmons as Urko
is one of the funniest mental images I've had in while...

I agree - and it opens the question of someone maybe attempting a send
up........

Michael

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 21:34
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] I know you are but what am I?

In a message dated 07/11/2000 12:56:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<<

> Cool? No! Why don't we get RuePaul as Dr. Zauis, Richard Simmons as

Urko,

> George Michael and Elton John could play "Ace & Gary" the bickering

gorilla

> roomates, and so on.

You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right? >>
I don't exactly agree with bashing homosexualy...But Richard Simmons as Urko
is one of the funniest mental images I've had in while...

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In a message dated 7/10/0 11:56:20 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right? >>

REALLY? ....and here I thought he photographed Mae West for kicks. Wowzers.

In a message dated 7/10/0 11:56:20 PM, pjn1209@... writes:

<< You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right? >>


Hold on -- I thought he was a thespian.....

>Does sexual preference and preferred locations for masturbation really come
>into the equation?

No. That was exactly my point, vague though I may have been.

>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 14:29
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] I know you are but what am I?
>
>becker0715@... wrote:
>
> > Cool? No! Why don't we get RuePaul as Dr. Zauis, Richard Simmons as
>Urko,
> > George Michael and Elton John could play "Ace & Gary" the bickering
>gorilla
> > roomates, and so on.
>
>You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right?
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Roddy McDowall was a great, a fantastic, a extraordinary actor! Gay? To ber or not to be gay? A particular and exclusive personal decision!

Bye for now,

Adami

nextnexus@... gravada:

In a message dated 7/10/0 11:56:20 PM, pjn1209@... writes:

<< You know Roddy McDowall was gay, right? >>

Hold on -- I thought he was a thespian.....

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--- In pota@egroups.com, nextnexus@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/10/0 9:58:51 AM, soylentphil@h... writes:
> << But.....it looks like Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play

Cornelius.

> If so....that's pretty cool." >>
>
>
> If Pee-Wee's portraying Cornelius, is this a straight remake or

what?

Paul Reubens as Cornelius is a freakin' excellent choice, and with
Tim Burton at the helm, it's not surprising he's gonna be involved.
What direction Burton's going to take the remake is totally up for
grabs ... maybe dark ala Batman II? Regardless, you can bet he'll
put a spin on the original ... that be good or bad is up for debate.

BTW, new to the list - was looking for latest info for PotA remake,
and figured this must be the place. Now back to hanging low ...

Ryan

nextnexus you made me laugh out loud... You should write for TV!

In a message dated 7/11/0 8:52:06 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< That was exactly my point, vague though I may have been. >>

When I typed in regard to a "straight" remake or adaptation, all I'd meant
was whether it would be a close reworking of the original film. You know,
Taylor, Cornelius, Zaius (i.e. Marky Marky, Pee-Wee, Gary Oldman.....) and
the guys. No value judgements in regard to sexual preferences or lifestyles
intended.

Thank You,
Waylon Smithers

> nextnexus you made me laugh out loud... You should write for TV!

I agree! Teen NBC could use a shot in the arm.

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In a message dated 7/11/0 3:03:58 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< >>nextnexus you made me laugh out loud... You should write for TV!<<

I agree! Teen NBC could use a shot in the arm. >>


Thankew, thankew. You're beautiful, really.

Still trying to get onboard the "Frazier" staff, not looking good. As usual.
Think "Sabrina the Teenaged Wench" would want me? Or what about the
inevitable "POTA" animated series based upon a lame-assed remake? (You know,
like "Clerks", only shittier.)

Have your answering machine call my answering machine. They can do lunch.
Ciao.

PS- A few "BPOTA" things noticed during TBS' broadcast this afternoon:
--Chuck's hairline went bye-bye in this one, didn't look nearly as bad in the
first film; he also looked like shit in the close-up flashbacks talking with
Nova.
--sequence when Brent changes into loincloth and vest(?) while hiding from
Nova, who's peeking and not understanding his modesty, is awkward and nice.
Only lasts a second, but they didn't have to do it. Or leave it in.
--Zira says, "At least OUR children won't yada yada yada.....". So, was she
pregnant in this already or what? She could've been speaking in a
future-perfect tense or soemthing, but given how she's with chimp the next
film and all.
--Rosenman's music really works well througout, especially after having
listened to a CD of it for a month.
--all the actors talk to frickin' fast during the scenes in Cornelius &
Zira's condo.
--the Chuck vs Poor Dead Jimmy Fran is pretty brutal, but they fight like
girls (hate the shots of Chuck kicking at the camera, too)
--When "Negro" gets waxed and is sticking to the cell door, it's obviously a
"mask" on the body in the quick two-shot with Chuck. I liked that.
--Victor Buono was really fucking huge. I mean huge.

I think Paul Reubens will make an excellent Cornielus, given his past
working history with Tim Burton. The only problem I have with Estella
Warren is the name. Estella? The fact that she's a relative unknown
is strangely reminiscent of another unknown getting the same role
back in '67, Linda Harrison. Dye that hair black, slap on the tree
bark bikini & go to it! I also like the idea of Gary Oldman as the
ape heavy. He's out there and would definitely take the role and run
with it. All things considered, I think this thing stands a chance of
being decent. The script is the key. I hope Broyles did a good job.
And Wahlberg will be fine. He's got a pretty good track record so far
with Boogie Nights, 3 Kings, The Perfect Storm. (It's not his fault
that movie sucked. Yes, it was a bad script that killed him, not the
weather) Ape regards to all, John

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> --Chuck's hairline went bye-bye in this one, didn't look nearly as bad in the
> first film;

In his book/journal thing, he complains about the hairpiece they made
for him. He also bitched about Linda Harrison a bit.

In a message dated 7/11/0 5:15:59 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< In his book/journal thing, he complains about the hairpiece they made for
him. He also bitched about Linda Harrison a bit. >>

No kidding, it warranted a chapter in "The Actor's Life" ?? Wowzers. All I
remember from skimming a dog-eard library sale copy was him claiming to have
turned down the role in "The Omen" that went to Gregory Peck.

Beaver and yak hair aside, what did he bitch about in regard to Nova, No-va?

He said something to the effect that they kept Nova immobile in her scenes.
Read between the lines and you get the sense that Heston considered her a
neophyte. Linda has nothing to say except great things about Heston. For the
record, I think she did a great job. Obviously.

JSe3689836@... wrote:
I think Paul Reubens will make an excellent Cornelius, given his past
working history with Tim Burton. The only problem I have with Estella
Warren is the name. Estella? The fact that she's a relative unknown
is strangely reminiscent of another unknown getting the same role
back in '67, Linda Harrison.

Why does everyone keep assuming Cornelius, Nova and all the other
characters we know and love are going to be in the Burton version at
all?

A journal entry more than a chapter. In his own polite way, he expresses
doubt in Harrison, the DP, etc., but he was writing about the film in his
journal as early as 64.

>From: nextnexus@...
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>To: pota@egroups.com
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>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:49:47 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 7/11/0 5:15:59 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
><< In his book/journal thing, he complains about the hairpiece they made
>for
>him. He also bitched about Linda Harrison a bit. >>
>
>No kidding, it warranted a chapter in "The Actor's Life" ?? Wowzers. All
>I
>remember from skimming a dog-eard library sale copy was him claiming to
>have
>turned down the role in "The Omen" that went to Gregory Peck.
>
>Beaver and yak hair aside, what did he bitch about in regard to Nova,
>No-va?
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> Why does everyone keep assuming Cornelius, Nova and all the other
> characters we know and love are going to be in the Burton version at
> all?

I believe your right, it maybe the same type characters but simply given
different names. But we'll have to wait and see.
I only hope they keep story line under raps until the release, knowing
myself I'll most likely read it and blow it for myself.

Alex

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part.

Got that right. It seems that there is no way these days to go into movies
cold, without knowing what's going to happen. Might as well just go into a
suspended animation chamber & set to wake the day the film's released. But
I'd probably screw up the setting & wake up in 3978 (or 3955). Better
remember to pack a tootbrush & loincloth, just to be on the safe side. Go
Apes, John

Journalism's gone into the toilet.

From The Hollywood Reporter:

Warren dives into Burton's 'Apes' remake

Newcomer Estella Warren is in final negotiations to join Mark Wahlberg
in director Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" remake for 20th Century
Fox. Details on the project are being keeping under wraps, but the story
is different from the original in that Wahlberg is a pilot instead of an
astronaut. It's believed that she will play Wahlberg's love interest,
but the studio would not confirm that. The project, being scripted by
William Broyles Jr., is expected to begin shooting in the fall for a
projected July 4 release. Warren, a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model
and former nationally ranked Canadian synchronized swimmer, has only
been acting for several months, having landed roles in Michael Rymer's
indie feature "Perfume" and Tapestry Films' indie feature "Tangled" (a k
a "Conspiracy of Weeds") opposite Rachael Leigh Cook. Warren went before
the cameras this week for Warner Bros./Franchise Pictures' "Champs" for
director Renny Harlin. The film, shooting in Toronto, stars Sylvester
Stallone and Til Schweiger

JSe3689836@... wrote:

>Read between the lines and you get the sense that Heston considered her a
>neophyte.

Surely she pretty much was a neophyte? I mean, other than the first film her
acting talents had extended as far as standing looking pretty in an episode
of Batman!

Alan

I guess so. But I just get the feeling Heston wasn't too crazy about her.

Oh, good. Wrestlers.

From Coming Attractions:

Afternoon, July 13, 2000... Al Issacs over at Scoops Wrestling has an
exclusive scoop to share with us from the world of wrestling that also
pertains to the Apes remake. "I spoke with Nills Allen Stewart at a UPW
wrestling show in California the other week. He's the wrestler/actor who
played Jesse Ventura in that tv biopic and the wrestler 'Kornberg' in an
episode of ER. Anyway, he's been cast as one of the 5 lead apes. According
to Nills shooting will begin this October. He was busy going in for the face
appliances that he says will not hide the actors' features, just make them
more ape-like in appearance."

Al's scoop gives us our first real information on the type of ape makeup Tim
Burton wants to use to create his new monkeys. It sounds interesting, and if
the current plan is to use the face of the actor as a base for the ape
makeup, it's a completely different approach than the earlier animatronic
ape models idea that Stan Winston Studios wanted to create.


____________

Has anyone heard the latest news. Now the POTA remake is going to be entitled
"The Visitor". I do not think this bodes very well if they are not going to
use POTA in the title.

In a message dated 7/14/0 2:42:50 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< Oh, good. Wrestlers. >>

Jeep Williams or whomever portrayed the circus gang clown for Burton in
"Batman Returns" (as well as Bane for Schumacher in an even worse bat film)
is dead, good thing they found another wrestler to suck.

How does Baker think he's going to make wrestlers "more apelike in
appearance"?

Might just be a cover title while it's in production. They do that sometimes.
Supposedly to keep away the curious, unwashed masses.

> Oh, good. Wrestlers.

I like that, thats funny.
You made me laugh out load.

Alex

Here's my 50 cents on some recent "Ape" stuff:

THE CASTING: Super models? Wrestlers? Pee Wee Herman? It definitely sounds
like Burton wants to make it his own. Actually, there's a supermodel AND a
wrestler in Fox's "X-Men", pretty much the studio's last hope to save the
summer (it opened today). A while back we had a supposed casting sheet that
laid out the new characters. While we have to take that with a grain of salt
it did mention a slave trading comic ape sidekick for the human hero.
Perhaps this is the role Burton had eyed Danny Devito for and is now
considering Paul Reubens? Both Devito and Reubens have done 2 films each
with Burton (has Pee Wee been in anything since his cameo in Burton's
"Batman Returns"?). Burton's eccentric casting habits often work out (check
out "Ed Wood") so I guess we'll just have to go with him on this. Poor
Richard Zanuck!

THE TITLE: Yes, more and more the "Apes" film is being referred to as "The
Visitor". If it's a covert title it's not doing a very good job, since
everyone knows what it refers to. Perhaps they called the script that to
throw bootleggers off the trail, and the name stuck. I doubt they will
forsake the solid gold title "Planet of the Apes", nor will they cheapen it
with a combo ("Planet of the Apes: The Visitor"); that would sound like a
knockoff. Fox has the right to use the original title and when the dust
settles I believe it will be called simply "Planet of the Apes".

MODEL REISSUES: Polar Lights is reissueing the '70's Addar POTA model kits
as Aurora kits exclusively at Toys R Us. Today I found the Cornelius one and
at $10 they are a bargain. Supposedly Ursus is also due this month, with
Zira and Zauis in October. Go get 'em!

- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <soylentphil@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 7:55 AM
Subject: [pota] From Dark Horizons


> "A friend of mine is doing session work with Rick Baker. Well, Rick has
been
> busy prepping sketches and design for the upcoming "Visitor" project,
which
> you know is the new "Apes" film. Well, on Wednesday they had a special
guest
> - Paul Reubens. Paul was in to have a lifecast (facial casting) made. Rick
> supervised it and it took a couple of hours - start to finish. Rick spent
> about thirty minutes more with him off the floor reviewing the
> Cornelius/Chimpanzee sketches. Lifecasts are required for all foam latex
> appliance "glued" facial makeups. It ensures a perfect fit of the
appliance
> to the actor's features. Rick summed it up with his staff afterward as "
> keep a lid on this, it's not official yet". But.....it looks like Paul
> Reubens (aka Pee Wee) is set to play Cornelius. If so....that's pretty
> cool."
>
> ____________