.html Dear Ape Friends:

My name is Adami and I am author of the book about Planet of the Apes  - The Only Good Human is a Dead Human!

In my country, Brazil, I am a journalist and I am working on a big project called The Ape House: a place where you can to find Planet of the Apes items  - toys, masks, magazines, video tapes, CDs, LPs, figures, documentaries, photographis autographed by Charlton Heston, Kim Hunter, Booth Colman, Bradford Dillman, Natalie Trundy, Buck Kartalian, Don Pedro Colley, Lee Delano, Bill Blake, James Naughton, Ron Harper, Beverly Garland and many more Apes stars!

Please, look for our Planet of the Apes Brazilian Fan Club’s web site:

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With this e-mail, I want your help. Please, if possible, send for me Planet of the Apes items to our Ape House Exhibition Room.

Send the Planet of the Apes items to:

Luiz Saulo Adami Caixa Postal 496 Brusque, SC  88350-970 Brazil

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,
 

Luiz Saulo Adami
tinarosa@...
 
 

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New to this board, long time fan. Maybe I'm too much of a
traditionalist but based on the castings, real and rumored, this new
movie is looking more and more like a joke. Marky Mark can't hold
this movie up alone anjd it dosen't look like he's gonna get much
help- Pee Wee, Please. This movie needs some real credability besides
just the title (POTA- forget the Visitor stuff). I'd even rather
have George Clooney there vs. marky mark ( does he even shave yet ??)
Would anyone really believe he could even attempt to kick a ape
ass ???. And whats w/ the WWF stuff, is their an actors strike or
what.
Burton will be blasted if he blows this one.

> New to this board, long time fan. Maybe I'm too much of a
> traditionalist but based on the castings, real and rumored, this new
> movie is looking more and more like a joke. Marky Mark can't hold
> this movie up alone anjd it dosen't look like he's gonna get much
> help- Pee Wee, Please. This movie needs some real credability besides
> just the title (POTA- forget the Visitor stuff). I'd even rather
> have George Clooney there vs. marky mark ( does he even shave yet ??)
> Would anyone really believe he could even attempt to kick a ape
> ass ???. And whats w/ the WWF stuff, is their an actors strike or
> what.
> Burton will be blasted if he blows this one.

Clooney??
Wahlberg has much more talent then Clooney.
Clooney killed BATMAN. Deal with it.

Alex

I think whoever wrote the script and directed that Batman killed that one,
not Clooney. The plot and almost the entire thing was horrible.

Chris

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> Clooney??
> Wahlberg has much more talent then Clooney.
> Clooney killed BATMAN. Deal with it.

You make this so hard sometimes, Alex.

I was impressed by Alicia's breasts......

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: BlakerG@... [BlakerG@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2000 12:34
To: byruiz@...; pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Burton's Bomb

I think whoever wrote the script and directed that Batman killed that one,
not Clooney. The plot and almost the entire thing was horrible.

Chris

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Aaahhhh....... they're soooo cute


M

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I must say, they do look different.

Alex

Joel Schumacher directed. God knows who wrote it.

Akiva Goldsmith wrote it... God knows why.

In a message dated 7/18/00 6:50:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ceballard@... writes:

<< Akiva Goldsmith wrote it... God knows why >>

I've seen better writing on shampoo bottles, but to me , Shumacher (mispelled
probobly) messed the whole movie up with his comic book style vision...If i
wanted to see a batman adventure with freeze in a comic book setting, I'll
read a comic and save myself $8....Burton had the right idea in the first
one..Keep up the good work Timmy.


P.S. Alicia was pretty hot as Batgirl, have to give the casting director
credit

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@b...> wrote:

> > New to this board, long time fan. Maybe I'm too much of a
> > traditionalist but based on the castings, real and rumored, this

new

> > movie is looking more and more like a joke. Marky Mark can't hold
> > this movie up alone anjd it dosen't look like he's gonna get much
> > help- Pee Wee, Please. This movie needs some real credability

besides

> > just the title (POTA- forget the Visitor stuff). I'd even rather
> > have George Clooney there vs. marky mark ( does he even shave

yet ??)

> > Would anyone really believe he could even attempt to kick a ape
> > ass ???. And whats w/ the WWF stuff, is their an actors strike

or

> > what.
> > Burton will be blasted if he blows this one.
>
> Clooney??
> Wahlberg has much more talent then Clooney.
> Clooney killed BATMAN. Deal with it.

Hey I'm not saying Clooney's a Heston BUT MARKY MARK SUCKS as a lead
guy. Maybe a "Landon" type that get killed off fast but the LEAD no
way. I'm sure there's a dozen guy's that would do a better job than
Clooney, but Wahlberg's just a punk for this flick. Maybe Burtons
going to have him and a few of his "New Kids" buddies sing in a cage,
at least they'll get some work.
Seriously, POTA is a CLASSIC, why risk F ing it up w/ guy like
Wahlberg ????. It's going to be hard enough to compete w/ the
original ( impossible ??) I'm sure Burton is targeting the infamous
18-24 yr. old group (no offense) but it's the wrong move.

"IT'S A QUESTION OF SIMION SURVIVIAL".............

> Alex

> "IT'S A QUESTION OF SIMION SURVIVIAL".............

Well, first of all, no one knows what direction this movie is going, it
could be a complete remake, or it could go a completely differnet direction.
So whether or not Wahlberg is right for the role, it all comes down to the
script.

Word of advise, don't count your chickens before there hatched, because you
could endup eating your own words.
For me personaly, I could careless, I'm just happy the apes are making a Big
Screen come back.

"FOR IT'S A QUESTION OF SIMIAN SURVIVAL".......

Alex

In a message dated 7/13/0 7:56:20 PM, JSe3689836@... writes:
<< But I just get the feeling Heston wasn't too crazy about her. >>

Screw Chuck and the horsehair that rode in on his head. Linda H. might've
been a "neophyte", but so what? She might not have been able to "act" in the
classical sense, but she was sympathetic and compelling in her role.....which
is more than can be said for most "actors". She did fine and was the correct
person for the job, watching the films vindicate her.

If they blocked around Linda H. during shooting because of her inexperience,
which wasn't terribly apparent during the times I've watched, it could've
helped the film conceptually -- she was the only thing Taylor cared about and
blocking around her might've made her seem more....delicate, or
important....on a subliminal level of perception. (Hey, I'm stretchin', but
the damnedest elements come into play when you begin deconstructing something
as complex as a well-directed film.)

The worst thing one could say about Linda H. would be: Bikini model plays
mute chick, no film at 11pm. She was attractive but fit well into the
reality of both stories. If Chuck suffered the indignity of performing with
some chick that little Skeletor bastard Zanuck was banging, oh well. Time
has vindicated Linda H. and her contributions to the first two films was very
significant.

Besides, if she was such a "neophyte", what was she doing playing proto-Zira
in the make-up test with Chuck and Edgar G.?

[FUN FACT: Anyone notice how the music used in the "POTA" make-up test was
from John William's score for the "Lost In Space" television show?]

In a message dated 7/18/0 8:03:20 PM, byruiz@... writes:
<< Well, first of all, no one knows what direction this movie is going.... >>

Not true. With Burton at the helm it's going to hell. He might not be a
Joel Schumacher, but Burton's the next-best thing. With the pronounced
exception of "Ed Wood", all of his films mutated into non-plot bloated
conceits. That's a fine formula for Pee Wee Herman or "Beetlejuice" films,
but not for "POTA". At least the original films are safe from him.
-cRaig

The problem with the last Batman movie is that they tried to crowd too many
characters into the movie, It became a giant toy commercial, instead if
trying to tell a good story . They just had to introduce Mr. Freeze, Poison
Ivy, Bat-Girl & Bane all in the same film. Just 1 or even 2 of these
characters would have been enough, If there ever is another Bat-man film, we
will see if Hollywood has learned its lesson. Considering what is doing to
POTA or should I say, "The Visitor", I doubt it.

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
>
> Screw Chuck and the horsehair that rode in on his head. Linda H. might've
> been a "neophyte", but so what?

She did a fine job in a role that was, well, I guess a polite way of
saying it would be "a product of its time". She was by no means
irreplacable, though. The movie was Chuck's. And as Abraham Lincoln
once said, "Don't diss mah homies!"

> She did fine and was the correct
> person for the job, watching the films vindicate her.

If I had a time machine, I'd cruise back there and vindicate her brains
out, sho nuff.

> If they blocked around Linda H. during shooting because of her inexperience,

Just like Kevin Costner! Good company.

>(Hey, I'm stretchin', but
> the damnedest elements come into play when you begin deconstructing something
> as complex as a well-directed film.)

I know Eric Greene, and you sir, are no Eric Greene.

> [FUN FACT: Anyone notice how the music used in the "POTA" make-up test was
> from John William's score for the "Lost In Space" television show?]

Just you, you freak.

In a message dated 7/19/0 12:14:05 AM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< I know Eric Greene, and you sir, are no Eric Greene. >>

.....actually, I am Eric Greene. And I have the school bus to prove it, wise
ass.

The movie was Chuck's, no doubt. But Roddy and Kim Hunter and Maurice Evans
contributed lots. So did Linda H. and she wasn't the weakest link in the
chain. (The weakest link in the chain was a plot element -- how the apes
spoke and READ English.....)

Come to think of it, Roddy boy was replacable in "BPOTA".

And is it just me or was Kim Hunter more attractive with the make-up on??

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> chain. (The weakest link in the chain was a plot element -- how the apes
> spoke and READ English.....)

something my novel tries to avoid - in a certain way, though

>
>
> Come to think of it, Roddy boy was replacable in "BPOTA".
>
> And is it just me or was Kim Hunter more attractive with the make-up on??

I'll second that. Really disturbing are the shots where Roddy and Kim remove the
chin-pieces. Somehow the makeup is almost too real, and the effect is almost
gruesome...

My only hope for the new makeup is they try to make the mouth a little more
mobile

>

M

>
>
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> .....actually, I am Eric Greene. >

Cool.
I just ordered your POTA book on paperback.
I was always wondering who was this rude S.O.B. on the e-group.
But on the other hand it only make sence, seeing that attitudes like this
will only lead us to a real Planet of the Apes one day.
With Eric Greene leading the way. :o)

Alex

Thanks Caroline. Now I can sleep at night. God knows how Akiva does it. John

Don't get me wrong. I love Linda. I was just relating what apparently was
Hestons opinion of her. Anyhow, I thought she did a great job with the role
she had. Nova Rocks!

Not! Schumacher's "Batman" flicks were basically big budget remakes of the
TV show, and the charm of the TV show was that it was so cheap in the first
place. When you throw $200 million dollars at it, it's not funny or
charming, it's just sick.

I too have my doubts about Burton's "Apes", though I'm a fan of his when
he sticks to his own original stories. I think "Apes" should have thoughtful
science fiction, ripe social commentary (hi Mr. Greene!) and solid
storytelling. Burton seems very limited in his view of the world, or at
least his screen world, and I haven't seen much in his films that could be
applied to the "Planet of the Apes" I want to see. Except visually, where
he'll probably shine. We are at the mercy of the script and his cast.
Hopefully Richard Zanuck will keep him from veering off course too much.

Meanwhile, there's a cheap "Sleepy Hollow" model kit from Playing Mantis
that includes a replica of Burton's severed head. One could put an ape head
from the new "Apes" model rereleases (they are about the same scale) on the
Headless Horseman as a kind of Ape's revenge kit.

Those cute Japanese walker apes are $100 something , a price that's not so
cute. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] In Defense of Linda H.


>
> > .....actually, I am Eric Greene. >
>
> Cool.
> I just ordered your POTA book on paperback.
> I was always wondering who was this rude S.O.B. on the e-group.
> But on the other hand it only make sence, seeing that attitudes like this
> will only lead us to a real Planet of the Apes one day.
> With Eric Greene leading the way. :o)
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Old school buds here:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/7081/11/_/19617/_/964037648/
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>
>
>

.html Hi, Ape folks!

I found this information in a website:

Planet of the Apes

                                       October 7-8, 2000
                                    Gaithersburg, Maryland

Is true?

Anybody have informations about this event?

Adami

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Hi...What website did you find this information on? I hope it's true!!!!!!
Rob

Dear All on POTA

as some of you may know, I am presently at work on a Novel, currently
titled : The Trial of Cassius. I have had some favourable reports on the
standard of writing, including a published novelist. It is after all a
*real* novel, not a piece of fanfic, and I have intended it for an
audience wider than just the fans (who will be disappointed, I suspect).
One of my reviewers has pointed out the following, and I am at a loss to
know what I should do next:

1. If I finish within the year (as I had anticipated), I will be
demolished by the Media Machine around the Burton remake, such that
nobody will want to publish it

2. Fox will stomp on my novel because their lawyers will feel that I am
trying to make money out of POTA (however small), and that they will
want their cut (i.e. all) of any money to made from POTA or any material
emanating from it. Thus they will either

a. Prevent publication

or worse

b. if published without their sanction, promptly sue me for everything.
After all they do have the rights to POTA?

My reviewer considers that b. is a real possibility, so no publisher is
going to touch my work with a barge pole.

I know other novels have been published around the POTA theme. So I have
a question or two

1. Does permission from FOX have to be sought, or whoever holds the
rights to the whole POTA thing. I use only a few (three) names from the
original (I'm not telling which). Are the names syndicated and
Trademarked?

2. Who does has the rights so that I can ask them, and if necessary show
them that my work is not a cash in, which it is not, nor will it clash
with their remake, which I could prove to them quite easily.

finally, if anyone has any advice of a professional publishing nature I
would be grateful. Otherwise, the novel will remain in my bottom drawer,
so to speak. I have tried hard to keep to Boulle's standard of writing,
and my reviewer considers I have achieved it, but without any hint of
imitation.


M

As a published author and photographer I can assure you
that you must have 20th Century Fox's permission to use
even their concept, or risk legal suit for copyright infringement.
The first step you should take is to contact (in writing) the
legal department at 20th... unless they have a licensing dept,
which they probably do. Understand that if you are as yet
unpublished, it will be difficult to convince them on your idea.
Best of luck.


Mark Gould wrote:

> 1. Does permission from FOX have to be sought, or whoever holds the
> rights to the whole POTA thing. I use only a few (three) names from the
> original (I'm not telling which). Are the names syndicated and
> Trademarked?

Hi!

Look at:

www.donpedrocolley.com

Adami

Pterosaur3@... gravada:

> Hi...What website did you find this information on? I hope it's true!!!!!!
> Rob
>
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Mark Gould wrote:

It is after all a *real* novel, not a piece of fanfic.

I'm not being bitchy here but I'm genuinely curious, at what point
does fanfic become a real novel? Is it the quality of the writing?
the page count?

>I'm not being bitchy here but I'm genuinely curious, at what point
>does fanfic become a real novel? Is it the quality of the writing?
>the page count?

Not sure. If the guy from Quantum Leap "leaps" into the body of an existing
character, though, you're off to a bad start.

http://www.webhideout.com/Adult/Arts/Literature/Fiction/Fan_Fiction/Slash/
____________

From Cinescape/Variety:

Tim Roth (Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs) seems to be facing a dilemma of
sorts. Which movie will he jump into: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
or Planet of the Apes? According to Variety columnist Michael Fleming, Roth
has recently been offered a role in Tim Burton's Apes remake. The problem is
that scheduling for Apes shooting is said to be roughly at the same time as
Harry Potter, where Roth is said to be up for the role of Professor Snape.

The columnist reports that the role Roth is being offered in Apes is "the
prime primate who enslaves [Mark] Wahlberg's character."

Given that both properties are being developed with franchises in mind, Roth
could go either way and probably get work in further installments.


____________

From Coming Attractions:

July 20, 2000... Anonymous sent us the following -- which appears to be a
listing of who's working on the crew for the new Apes film:

Ralph Winter (Executive Producer), Jason McGatlin (Production Supervisor),
Rosemary Brandenburg (Set Decoration), Colleen Atwood (Costumes), Rick
Heinrichs (Production Designer), John Dexter (Art Director), Russell Bobbitt
(Props), Mika Sait (Production Coordinator), Denise Chamian (Casting
Director), Andy Armstrong (Second Unit Director), Tom Peitzman (Visual
Effects Producer), Danny Elfman (Score).


____________

Dear All,

It appears that even from the most cursory glance at the Fox Terms of
use for their own website that it is extremely unlikely that I will ever
get the Novel published, their attitude is that they won't even look at
anything unsolicited - not even a precis of what I have done, and I am
not a member of the Writers Guild of America, nor do I have an agent. I
don't have any way of getting a Fox Licensing address from the UK, even
to write to ask them a very simple question. I am not interested in
'ideas' or 'film concepts' or anything of that sort. All I want to see
is my work in print, not languishing somewhere in a drawer. I doubt any
of the remaining cast or others involved with the original film / book
would probably consider even giving my work a glance. It's not that I
wanted any real money for it, just enough to cover my efforts.

Looks like that the Trial ends here. I will finish the final draft,
round about the end of August, but unless anyone can think of anything
useful, or constructive, the drawer awaits it. It's a shame to bung it
out, I really tried to do something good. As for the names - none of the
original characters appear at all, only their names. After all, how many
Marks or Arthurs or Natalies etc are there in this world?

Never mind......

M

>Looks like that the Trial ends here. I will finish the final draft,
>round about the end of August, but unless anyone can think of anything
>useful, or constructive, the drawer awaits it.

So it IS fan fiction, after all. In that case, put it on the web!
____________

It is not. I have so tried to avoid that completely. As my reviewer puts it
- I have trodden a fine line without once falling into that particular
trap. Anyone care to read the prologue to see why...?

M

Philip Nobile wrote:

> >Looks like that the Trial ends here. I will finish the final draft,
> >round about the end of August, but unless anyone can think of anything
> >useful, or constructive, the drawer awaits it.
>
> So it IS fan fiction, after all. In that case, put it on the web!
> ____________

Just trying to get your context. What's the difference, to you, between
something that's based on an existing franchise/property without
authorization, and plain old "fan fiction"? Do you feel the term is
derogatory, or is there something else? Most fan fiction is crap, sure, but
most fiction in general is crap. Fan fiction can't ALL suck. Without
authorization, fan fiction is the de facto definition of a novel set on the
Planet of the Apes.

But a good story is a good story is a good story. If the story's a good
one, can you change it so it's not set on the planet of the apes? Change
them to reptiles, or lesbian warriors, or something? I don't know what your
story is, so I can't say.
____________

Phil wrote:
What's the difference, to you, between something that's based on an
existing franchise/property without authorization, and plain old "fan
fiction"?

That's exactly the point I was getting at too. Surely a one page
piece of Fan fiction, (however badly written) that can be read over
the web by hundreds is more "worthy" than an unpublished masterpiece
hidden in some dusty bottom drawer.

Mark wrote:
But unless anyone can think of anything useful, or constructive, the
drawer awaits it. It's a shame to bung it out.

Here's an idea... How about something similar to Shareware? Let us
see your prologue. If we want to see more we send you X amount via
post and you send us the balance of the text on floppy disk or
whatever?

Danny Elfman once wrote the score to a movie called "The forbidden Zone"

Sounds like destiny calling to me.

Check out Linda Harrison's website. She's scheduled to be there also, but
under her website it's listed as the Gaithersburg Antique & Collectibles
Show. I'm not sure if this is a full blown POTA Convention. But I sure hope
it is.

Attachments :

Dave Ballard wrote:

> Here's an idea... How about something similar to Shareware? Let us see your prologue. If we want to see more we send you X amount via post and you send us the balance of the text on floppy disk or whatever?

No demands for money, no floppy disks required. The prolog, which has in its way become a calling card:

Attached

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@b...> wrote:

>
> > "> For me personaly, I could careless, I'm just happy the apes

are making a Big

> Screen come back.
>
> "FOR IT'S A QUESTION OF SIMIAN SURVIVAL".......
>
> Alex

Hey, I'm glad their coming back too, just a little fearful that it
will be an embarasment that could have been avoided w/ a better cast
selection. But your right if the story suck's the movie will suck.
Another good reason Burton should based it around the original novel
( vs. the original movie ) and reduce his risk. But that would mean
more royalty $$$$ so that won't fly.
What about a cameo role for Heston ??????????

> What about a cameo role for Heston ??????????

I'd love to see Heston make a cameo.
Ever since I first saw Heston on POTA he's always been one of my favorite
hollywood stars. I've always thought his best role outside of Ben Hur was
Ten Commandments: U.S. Televison easter/passover classic. (they never miss a
year) I enjoy seeing Chuck and Yul kicking each others butts every easter.
Cool Flick! :o)

Alex

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Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> Say,
> Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a collection of the
> Planet of the Apes shorts on Super 8mm films?
> E-bay only has them in Silent Black & White.

Those are the ones I have. They're insane. Black and white, 5 minutes
long, and subtitled.

>
> I'm looking for Color & Sound.
>
> Alex
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Check out http://www.hollywoodcomics.com/despretz.html"
It has some conceptual art from Superman Reborn by Sylvain Despretz, who
is
working on Planet of the Apes right now.

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In a message dated 07/20/2000 9:52:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

> > What about a cameo role for Heston ??????????
>
> I'd love to see Heston make a cameo.
> Ever since I first saw Heston on POTA he's always been one of my favorite
> hollywood stars. I've always thought his best role outside of Ben Hur was
> Ten Commandments: U.S. Televison easter/passover classic. (they never miss

a

> year) I enjoy seeing Chuck and Yul kicking each others butts every easter.
> Cool Flick! :o)

Zanuck coldly stated in a recent interview, "There will be no role for
Heston." It really sounded like Hollywood politics at it's worst - let's
keep Mr. Vocal Conservative out of the movie.

Chuck is great, and would provide a lot of credibility with ape fans if he
had at least a voice-over part.

>Hey loser, don't post your spam crap on our list. We don't want to read
>about your scam business deals. This list is for Planet of the Apes
>discussions only.
>
>Get it? Got it? Good.

Those are automated emails. Egroups gets them from time to time, and
probably gets money by releasing list addresses to spam mailers.

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____________

> Zanuck coldly stated in a recent interview, "There will be no role for
> Heston." It really sounded like Hollywood politics at it's worst - let's
> keep Mr. Vocal Conservative out of the movie.
>
> Chuck is great, and would provide a lot of credibility with ape fans if he
> had at least a voice-over part.

I agree, it's all politics in hollywood these days, and coservatives have no
place.
It's a shame because if Wahlberg plays an astronaut for example, Heston
would be great in playing one of the heads of Nasa sending him off to the
mission.
That would be a great cameo idea.

Or even a voice intro, as he did in Armageddon the movie.

Alex

>
>I agree, it's all politics in hollywood these days, and coservatives have
>no
>place.

So true. Poor Mel Gibson can't get arrested.

____________

> Those are the ones I have. They're insane. Black and white, 5 minutes
> long, and subtitled.

Planet of the Apes on Super 8
Back in the days when VCRs where not around, those were really cool to have.
I have all five in B&W Silent, but I ended up slicing them together years
ago to make a huge POTA movie. But in doing so I lost the boxes and the
small reals. So now I'm just collecting them for keep sake.
But Color and Sound is something I was never able to enjoy, I was never able
to get those.

They a have Planet of the Apes 16mm full feature film on e-bay, but to sit
back and watch the whole POTA movie on a projector really doesn't make any
sence now. Not when we're living in the age of DVD.
I can sit through a five to ten minute film short, but to buy and sit
through a two hour old pink/red film copy? One would have to a real fanatic.

But I'll see if I can get my hands on those Color Sound shorts.
Sooner or later they show up on e-bay.

Alex

>They a have Planet of the Apes 16mm full feature film on e-bay, but to sit
>back and watch the whole POTA movie on a projector really doesn't make any
>sence now.

Yeah, no sence at all. BUT, there is a nice 16mm copy of Escape from the
POTA on Ebay. I have a little drive-in set up in the back yard, and it's a
great way to watch films. Under the stars, like god intended. Projector
pointed out the second floor window, giant speakers giving you that mono
sound. Love it.

____________

> Yeah, no sence at all. BUT, there is a nice 16mm copy of Escape from the
> POTA on Ebay. I have a little drive-in set up in the back yard, and it's

a

> great way to watch films. Under the stars, like god intended. Projector
> pointed out the second floor window, giant speakers giving you that mono
> sound. Love it.

Well, in that case yeah.
If you can build your own little miny drive in theatre, I would say that
there would be nothing like it. For that I would buy it for sure!
According to the seller the Escape 16mm copy, it is in real mint condition,
the only question is now the price, some of these mint films can cost a mint
themselves. But for a set up like yours, I would say that it would be worth
it.
That's cool.

Alex

In a message dated 7/20/0 1:12:06 PM, dballard@... writes:

<< ......at what point does fanfic become a real novel? Is it the quality of
the writing? the page count? >>


Always thought it had something to do with the brushing of one's teeth....at
least that's what my agent told me.

In a message dated 7/19/0 3:15:57 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< I was always wondering who was this rude S.O.B. on the e-group.
But on the other hand it only make sence, seeing that attitudes like this
will only lead us to a real Planet of the Apes one day.
With Eric Greene leading the way. :o) >>

Attrocious grammar aside, been wondering who the hell died and proclaimed you
the last word on, well, everything. Patronizing attitudes such as yours will
only lead us to a crappy "POTA" remake next year. =\

O.K., kids..don't make me separate you.
Time to lighten up. This bitchin' and bickering is getting kind of dull.
Everybody is entitled to their opinions but please don't copy the entire group on
character assassinations.
Thanks,
KEN
nextnexus@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/19/0 3:15:57 PM, byruiz@... writes:
>
> << I was always wondering who was this rude S.O.B. on the e-group.
> But on the other hand it only make sence, seeing that attitudes like this
> will only lead us to a real Planet of the Apes one day.
> With Eric Greene leading the way. :o) >>
>
> Attrocious grammar aside, been wondering who the hell died and proclaimed you
> the last word on, well, everything. Patronizing attitudes such as yours will
> only lead us to a crappy "POTA" remake next year. =\
>
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In a message dated 7/20/0 10:59:11 AM, mark.gould@... writes:
<< finally, if anyone has any advice of a professional publishing nature I
would be grateful. >>

1.) Don't attempt writing "clean" copy; type like a nut and write "for
speed". Don't worry about errors, just attempt to get the scenes in your
head on the page. (Remember -- it's not "real" until it's typed.)

2.) Try writing at least 1,000 new words per day (roughly two double-spaced
pages....keep in mind the length of most novels is between 40,000 and 60,000
words).

3.) Go back a day or two and polish the raw copy. Three things that will
make the copy read better instantly include deleting every usage of the word
"that", fixing split infinitives ("to go boldly" instead of "to boldly go")
and adjusting the sequences of verb tenses (i.e. if more than one verb
appears in a sentence both should be the same tense).

4.) Don't contact the Scott Meredith Agency in NYC. Or you'll be sorry.

5.) Actually, don't show your completed manuscript to anyone, ESPECIALLY us.
(Might steal your ideas...trust NO ONE.)

In a message dated 7/20/0 3:26:25 PM, mark.gould@... writes:

<<....but unless anyone can think of anything useful, or constructive, the
drawer awaits it. >>


Have you thought about contacting Sal Mineo's widow? He's supposed to be a
very nice bloke.

In a message dated 7/20/0 4:00:28 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< Change them to reptiles, or lesbian warriors, or something? >>

Smashing idea, SoylentPhil -- "Zima, Lesbian Warrior". (She could have a
distinctive lemon-lime flavor....)

> Attrocious grammar aside, been wondering who the hell died and proclaimed

you

> the last word on, well, everything. Patronizing attitudes such as yours

will

> only lead us to a crappy "POTA" remake next year. =\

Ahhhh....HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!! I don't get it.

In a message dated 7/21/0 1:51:56 AM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< Check out http://www.hollywoodcomics.com/despretz.html"
It has some conceptual art from Superman Reborn by Sylvain Despretz, who
is working on Planet of the Apes right now. >>


Oh, wow, HE'S the guy who did "Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead"!
Sorry, couldn't help it.

Seen him before, sort of a Moebius imitator (not a good one, either). Liked
his second version of Brainiac's ship (metal spheroid with the glowing green
center). Did you read the script? Superman wears a black costume after he
"dies" at the hands of Doomsday....interesting how he worked Ross' "S" into
the black design.

He was paid a lot of money to draw those lame "I Am Legend" sketches, that's
for certain. From the storyboards, looked as if Arnold was the man. (Don't
recall a vampire in a tank, though, read the script yet?)

Definitely can see how he designed lots if not all of "Fifth Element". No
wonder it looked like second-rate Moebius at times!

Didn't like the "New Gods' concepts at all. I mean, pick up a fucking comic,
there are your conceptual sketches. Jesus.

Interesting stuff. Definitely can see him working on a "POTA" film for some
reason. His shapes are mostly organic, might take the original look of the
film to the next level. Just the feeling I get from the other stuff.

You know, I always saw some similarities in the artwork of Roger Dean ("Yes"
album covers amongst other things) and the sets of Planet of the Apes -
particularly in architecture. I always thought it would be great to give
him a go at set designs (actually, I'm not even sure he's still alive....).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: nextnexus@... [nextnexus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 23 July 2000 12:22
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Design


In a message dated 7/21/0 1:51:56 AM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< Check out http://www.hollywoodcomics.com/despretz.html"
It has some conceptual art from Superman Reborn by Sylvain Despretz, who
is working on Planet of the Apes right now. >>


Oh, wow, HE'S the guy who did "Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead"!
Sorry, couldn't help it.

Seen him before, sort of a Moebius imitator (not a good one, either). Liked
his second version of Brainiac's ship (metal spheroid with the glowing green
center). Did you read the script? Superman wears a black costume after he
"dies" at the hands of Doomsday....interesting how he worked Ross' "S" into
the black design.

He was paid a lot of money to draw those lame "I Am Legend" sketches, that's
for certain. From the storyboards, looked as if Arnold was the man. (Don't
recall a vampire in a tank, though, read the script yet?)

Definitely can see how he designed lots if not all of "Fifth Element". No
wonder it looked like second-rate Moebius at times!

Didn't like the "New Gods' concepts at all. I mean, pick up a fucking
comic,
there are your conceptual sketches. Jesus.

Interesting stuff. Definitely can see him working on a "POTA" film for some
reason. His shapes are mostly organic, might take the original look of the
film to the next level. Just the feeling I get from the other stuff.


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Ditto. Stop bitching you lot.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Sunday, 23 July 2000 10:59
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] In Defense of Linda H.

O.K., kids..don't make me separate you.
Time to lighten up. This bitchin' and bickering is getting kind of dull.
Everybody is entitled to their opinions but please don't copy the entire
group on
character assassinations.
Thanks,
KEN
nextnexus@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/19/0 3:15:57 PM, byruiz@... writes:
>
> << I was always wondering who was this rude S.O.B. on the e-group.
> But on the other hand it only make sence, seeing that attitudes like this
> will only lead us to a real Planet of the Apes one day.
> With Eric Greene leading the way. :o) >>
>
> Attrocious grammar aside, been wondering who the hell died and proclaimed

you

> the last word on, well, everything. Patronizing attitudes such as yours

will

> only lead us to a crappy "POTA" remake next year. =\
>
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In a message dated 7/21/0 2:27:20 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< >I agree, it's all politics in hollywood these days, and coservatives have
no place.<

So true. Poor Mel Gibson can't get arrested. >>


Poor Kurt Russell and Robert Stack can't even sell their plasma. Sean
Connery, either. Any of these guys worked since the '60s?

In a message dated 7/21/0 3:00:37 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< I have a little drive-in set up in the back yard, and it's a great way to
watch films. Under the stars, like god intended. Projector pointed out the
second floor window, giant speakers giving you that mono sound. Love it. >>

"Dear Penthouse Forum--
Never thought I'd be writing, but my girlfriend and I discovered an
incredible new way to appreaciate 'Escape from the Planet of the Apes'. And
her convertable....."

I remember when the "1st" remake rumors were out, about 6yrs ago,
Heston was pushing for the ZAIUS ROLE. Quoted in the papers as saying
he'd "love that role". HOW WILD WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN????

He needs a role on this film- ape or human. If for nothing else but
credability for the film.

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@b...> wrote:
> > Zanuck coldly stated in a recent interview, "There will be no
role for
> > Heston." It really sounded like Hollywood politics at it's
worst - let's
> > keep Mr. Vocal Conservative out of the movie.
> >
> > Chuck is great, and would provide a lot of credibility with ape
fans if he
> > had at least a voice-over part.
>
> I agree, it's all politics in hollywood these days, and
coservatives have no
> place.
> It's a shame because if Wahlberg plays an astronaut for example,
Heston
> would be great in playing one of the heads of Nasa sending him off
to the
> mission.
> That would be a great cameo idea.
>
> Or even a voice intro, as he did in Armageddon the movie.
>
> Alex

> I remember when the "1st" remake rumors were out, about 6yrs ago,
> Heston was pushing for the ZAIUS ROLE. Quoted in the papers as saying
> he'd "love that role". HOW WILD WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN????
>
> He needs a role on this film- ape or human. If for nothing else but
> credability for the film.

No doubt, but what's really going to make or break this film is no doubt the
script. Because of the death of Arthur P. Jacobs, 20th Century Fox didn't do
much beyond the 70s for POTA as did Lucus for Star Wars throughout the
years. So beyond the fans, this film is going to have to pretty much stand
on the script itself.

Star Wars was always kept alive by Lucus through Books, Toys, PC Games and a
re-release that later lead to Phantom Meneace.
Final result: Phantom Menace wasn't a great movie but yet earned over a
billion dollars world wide. Why? Because of Lucus.

I only hope that 20th Century Fox takes notice of this and starts pushing
for all sorts of POTA merchandise and maybe even a re-release of the
original prior to the new film release.

Alex

In a message dated 7/23/0 10:44:15 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< No doubt, but what's really going to make or break this film is no doubt
the
script. >>

No doubt.

I was up at my dad's this weekend, and came across Linda H doing a basic
cable talk show to promote her appearance at a toy/collectibles show in
Newark. That is all.
____________

Can someone break into Terry Hoknes' house for me and unsubscribe him from
the list?

><< message1.txt >>

____________

I'm wracking my brain ... was "Zira" her first or last name? And if it was
her last name, what was her first name. I always thought they referred to
her as Dr. Zira, but maybe my memory has failed me [again].

Thanks for any help you can give me.
J. Woo i

I think the apes just had the one name. Not like George Taylor. Now where did
George come from? Go Apes, John

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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:28 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Nova on TV

Can someone break into Terry Hoknes' house for me and unsubscribe him from
the list?

<.html

Zira was her only name like Cher,Prince, etc.

It was Dr. Gilligan Q. Zira.



Woodyjoo@... wrote:

> I'm wracking my brain ... was "Zira" her first or last name? And if it was
> her last name, what was her first name. I always thought they referred to
> her as Dr. Zira, but maybe my memory has failed me [again].
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> J. Woo i
>
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:41:19 EDT JSe3689836@... writes:

>I think the apes just had the one name. Not like George Taylor. Now
>where did George come from?

The end credits of the first film. Strangely enough, in Heston's second
autobiography (can't recall the title) he said that Taylor didn't have a
first name. BTW, anyone know where I can pick up a copy of this?


Chris L.
____

A question for those of you with stills in your collection. I've been
told by the person who did the unofficial Apes calendar that the
Skipper's (from BENEATH) name was actually Maddox (he was using this name
on the calendar and I asked where he got it from). You can't see it in
the film, but supposedly there's a still where you can see the name on
his lapel. Can anyone confirm this?

And there's still that question about the BATTLE LP soundtrack I posted a
while back that someone on the list HAS to know something about...


Chris L.

____

On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:02:50 EDT nextnexus@... writes:

>If they blocked around Linda H. during shooting because of her
>inexperience, which wasn't terribly apparent during the times I've

watched, it

>could've helped the film conceptually -- she was the only thing Taylor

cared

>about and blocking around her might've made her seem more....delicate,

or

>important....on a subliminal level of perception. (Hey, I'm stretchin',

but

>the damnedest elements come into play when you begin deconstructing
>something as complex as a well-directed film.)

What do you mean "blocked around her"?


Chris L.
____

I've seen the Medicom figures... but have never seen these before:

http://www.apejoe.com/Planet_of_the_Apes/planet_of_the_apes.html"

VERY PRICY! Does anyone have any info on them?

The medicom figures are very pricey (around $30 each). So far six have been
released ( Two gorillas, General Ursus, Cornelius, Zira and Lucius). In
August Dr. Zaius and Taylor will be released. They are all around 6" tall
and are much better detailed than the Hasbro 7" ones (which I thought were
terrible. I've gotten my figures through Justbetoys.com. Go on their
website and find were you can e-mail them and ask what they have.

----- Original Message -----
From: "90-CORVETTE" <jpctqm@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:34 PM
Subject: [pota] Figures


> I've seen the Medicom figures... but have never seen these before:
>
> http://www.apejoe.com/Planet_of_the_Apes/planet_of_the_apes.html"
>
> VERY PRICY! Does anyone have any info on them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Zira is (or was) he one and only name.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Dumont" <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Gotta' question for all of ye' ...


> It was Dr. Gilligan Q. Zira.
>
>
>
> Woodyjoo@... wrote:
>
> > I'm wracking my brain ... was "Zira" her first or last name? And if it
was
> > her last name, what was her first name. I always thought they referred
to
> > her as Dr. Zira, but maybe my memory has failed me [again].
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give me.
> > J. Woo i
> >
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Anyone remember the hideous Mego figures? I had a bunch of those. I saw a
great Taylor figure, 12" tall in his space suit. It was really well done.
The smaller ones are kind of goofy looking to me.

> Anyone remember the hideous Mego figures? I had a bunch of those. I saw a
> great Taylor figure, 12" tall in his space suit. It was really well done.
> The smaller ones are kind of goofy looking to me.

For myself personaly I have yet to see a great POTA doll.
Although those dolls by GI JOE: Cornelius and Taylor do look pretty good.
Thanks Brian, as soon as I hit the Lotto Jackpot I'll buy few. :o)

Alex

Dear all

Just a weeny email to say that the second draft of said novel is now finished.

Some of you may have caught the prologue i accidentally attached the other day.

Any good?

M

Dear all

Just a weeny email to say that the second draft of said novel is now finished.

Some of you may have caught the prologue i accidentally attached the other day.

Any good?

M

The three newest Medicom figures have just been released. They are Zaius (
excellent), Urko ( great sculpt but not as good as Ursus w/ regard to detail.
Urko's face was shiny black, this one has a tan face. Plus he doesn't have his
gun belt.) and yet another Soldier Ape ( with TV rank insignia). Taylor has
apparently been delayed until the next batch.
The first two reissue model kits by Polar Lights are also out at Toys R Us, if
you haven't already seen them. Anyone know why they feature the Aurora logo? Was
Addar and off-shoot of Aurora?

Mr Nitpick.

Stewart Rales wrote:

> The medicom figures are very pricey (around $30 each). So far six have been
> released ( Two gorillas, General Ursus, Cornelius, Zira and Lucius). In
> August Dr. Zaius and Taylor will be released. They are all around 6" tall
> and are much better detailed than the Hasbro 7" ones (which I thought were
> terrible. I've gotten my figures through Justbetoys.com. Go on their
> website and find were you can e-mail them and ask what they have.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "90-CORVETTE" <jpctqm@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:34 PM
> Subject: [pota] Figures
>
> > I've seen the Medicom figures... but have never seen these before:
> >
> > http://www.apejoe.com/Planet_of_the_Apes/planet_of_the_apes.html"
> >
> > VERY PRICY! Does anyone have any info on them?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

I'm not talking about the Medicom figures... $30 is CHEAP
compared to these:
http://www.apejoe.com/Planet_of_the_Apes/planet_of_the_apes.html"
These are in the $200 each range!
Again, does anyone have any experience with these particular
figures (not the Medicom ones)?



Stewart Rales wrote:

> The medicom figures are very pricey (around $30 each). So far six have been
> released ( Two gorillas, General Ursus, Cornelius, Zira and Lucius). In
> August Dr. Zaius and Taylor will be released. They are all around 6" tall
> and are much better detailed than the Hasbro 7" ones (which I thought were
> terrible. I've gotten my figures through Justbetoys.com. Go on their
> website and find were you can e-mail them and ask what they have.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "90-CORVETTE" <jpctqm@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:34 PM
> Subject: [pota] Figures
>
> > I've seen the Medicom figures... but have never seen these before:
> >
> > http://www.apejoe.com/Planet_of_the_Apes/planet_of_the_apes.html"
> >
> > VERY PRICY! Does anyone have any info on them?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

> I'm not talking about the Medicom figures... $30 is CHEAP
> compared to these:
> http://www.apejoe.com/Planet_of_the_Apes/planet_of_the_apes.html"
> These are in the $200 each range!
> Again, does anyone have any experience with these particular
> figures (not the Medicom ones)?

I believe these are made by the GI JOE line, so if they are the same they
would have the same movable joints as GI JOE.
A real action figure, not like the Hasbro stiffs.
This is just guess work of course.

Alex

Hi Mark,

Yeah, I caught the prologue you "accidently" attached I even
"accidently" read it.

I'm not sure what your motives are for keeping us up to date with a
project that, by your own admission, is unlikely to ever see the
light of day. Either you remain optimistic or you're some kind of
sadist!

Anyhow, for what it's worth I thought the prologue was just fin. It
made me want to read more and I could picture the scenes easily in my
head. Kind of reminded me of "I am Legend" with the heroine (?)
showing the Richard Matheson
unhinged-character-who-talks-to-themselves-a-lot approach

I didn't see anything, based upon this short extract, that
distinguished it from any other well written "fanfiction" (Take that
as a compliment or an insult... It's up to you)

The only thing, I felt, that didn't ring true was the dialogue
between the two (presumably) chimps at the end. I said it aloud to
myself and it sounded a bit awkward to me.

"Quite so."

Okay I'm off to find some cover as you prepare to launch a counter-offensive.

Mithril1960@... writes:

>
>Anyone remember the hideous Mego figures? I had a bunch of those. I saw a
>great Taylor figure, 12" tall in his space suit. It was really well done.
>The smaller ones are kind of goofy looking to me.
>

I wish there were figures that looked as good as the Mego figures did!
The 1st Hasbro 12" figures were pretty good, but the second set and
the 7" were terrible (7" Cornelius looks like a "cat-man").

The Megos weren't perfect, but for my money, nothing has beat them
yet, though the small scans I've seen of the Medicom figures look
pretty good (but not $30 good).

And I too have found the Cornelius and Ursus models at Toys 'R' Us.
Too cool. As a kid, I had Cornelius (still do---it's sitting on the
shelf in front of me) and Zaius, but never could afford Zira and
Ursus. Now I get a second chance. 8-)

Hunter
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What Novel is this?

In a message dated 7/26/00 5:57:27 AM, kentaylor@... writes:

<< Anyone know why they feature the Aurora logo? Was
Addar and off-shoot of Aurora? >>

The Aurora looking logo is a homage to Aurora. In case anyone is wondering
why Aurora model kits are few, here's the story. When Aurora (the greatest
model kit company of all time, at least when you're ten and love and still
love monsters) went under they sold the molds which are wax, to a Japanese
Company. The train they were going west on was in a wreck and most of the
molds destroyed! Bummer!

In a message dated 7/26/00 12:18:24 PM, dballard@... writes:

<< I'm not sure what your motives are for keeping us up to date with a
project that, by your own admission, is unlikely to ever see the
light of day. Either you remain optimistic or you're some kind of
sadist! >>

I would read your novel, being an aspiring novelist myself.

In a message dated 7/26/00 2:33:20 PM, goathunter@... writes:

<< And I too have found the Cornelius and Ursus models at Toys 'R' Us.
Too cool. As a kid, I had Cornelius (still do---it's sitting on the
shelf in front of me) and Zaius, but never could afford Zira and
Ursus. Now I get a second chance. 8-)

>>

I had all the apes model kits, painstakingly painted to realism except for
the Horse and Rider.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:15:05 EDT Mithril1960@... writes:

>Anyone remember the hideous Mego figures?

Hey!! They may not have been perfect, but they certainly weren't hideous.
The 12" General Ursus that came out in 1998- the one where he looked like
he was wearing pajamas even though the box said "authentic costumes"-
THAT was hideous (and the other two were no picnic either)...


Chris L.
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On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:54:33 +0100 Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
writes:

>Now the Adventure comics are relatively rare in the UK. I'd read
>"Urchaks Folly" which I actually thought was pretty good and "Blood
>of the Apes" which was silly but fun. But "Ape City"... It was
>appalling! The worst art I've ever seen. The most stupid story I've
>ever read, the most childish writing I've ever come across in a comic
>book... Was this the worst Ape story ever? (I'd always thought the
>old Marvel "Pirate ship" series was up until I read this)There are
>still a lot of Adventure issues I've yet to find. Should I bother?
>Were they all this bad? Did Charles Marshal (Writer) really make a
>living out of this?

The Adventure comics were- on the whole- fairly awful, with the exception
of Urchak's Folly. Ape City was clearly the worst though. Baboonjas??
Punk Biker Apes??

Yikes.



Chris L.



PS- I just remembered that Charles Marshall didn't write Urchak's Folly,
so that explains why it was good. I really don't see how a man who
thought the idea of a 'Governor Breck's ghost as the bad guy' storyline
could support himself for long, it at all.


Again, yikes.
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In a message dated 7/26/0 8:56:20 PM, lawford42@... writes:

<< Did Charles Marshal (Writer) really make a living out of this? >>

Anyone recall whether this guy was the "wonder boy" screenwriter who
supposedly was going to pen a sixth film? This was way back around '88 or
so, recall a few news items in regard to Fox in pre-preproduction on new
"Apes" films. Never happened, of course, but the alleged reason for the
studio's interest at the time was due to a spec pitch made by some hotshot
whom somebody thought was going to be the next Shane Black. Could've sworn a
few years later the same guy was writing total crap "Apes" comics for one of
those shit indie black-&-white comics companies.

This stuff ring any bells out there?

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/26/0 8:56:20 PM, lawford42@... writes:
>
> << Did Charles Marshal (Writer) really make a living out of this? >>
>
> Anyone recall whether this guy was the "wonder boy" screenwriter who
> supposedly was going to pen a sixth film? This was way back around '88 or
> so, recall a few news items in regard to Fox in pre-preproduction on new
> "Apes" films. Never happened, of course, but the alleged reason for the
> studio's interest at the time was due to a spec pitch made by some hotshot
> whom somebody thought was going to be the next Shane Black.

Are you thinking of Adam Rifkin, who ended up writing Mousehunt and
Detroit Rock City? He was the first name I remember hearing attached to
a new Apes film.

In a message dated 7/26/0 10:36:45 PM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< Are you thinking of Adam Rifkin, who ended up writing Mousehunt and
Detroit Rock City? He was the first name I remember hearing attached to a new
Apes film. >>

He the guy who bragged about one of his "influences" being Dr. Seuss?
Definitely remember the person in question blathering about how eclectically
brilliant he was, being influenced profoundly by Dr. Seuss and all.