>She doesn't have the eyes. Zira was the only ape with very expressive
>hazel
>eyes.
>I disagree about the voice too.

Would this be a good time to point out that Zira isn't in the remake? If she
were, Helena Bonham Carter would be a perfect choice. Que lastima.

Picked up a bunch of interesting stills this weekend - some I've never even
seen before. I'll post scans as time permits.
____________

The only time I've ever heard of Felicity Kendal was as a reference on the
Young Ones. Care to enlighten the Yanks?

>From: "Kevin J. Greenland" <kev.thegerbil@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] RE: Casting
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:37:07 +0100
>
>No No No - Joanna Lumley for Zira defo - she can do her Patsy darling
>sweetie darling if she gets hold of any grape juice plus !
>
>Can they super-impose Felicity Kendal's bum ? It may be a tad saggy by now
>though !
>
>Kevin the gerbil xxx
>
>COME ON YOU SPURS !!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...>
>To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
>Date: 07 August 2000 16:43
>Subject: Re: [pota] RE: Casting
>
>
> >In a message dated 08/07/2000 10:12:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> >mark.gould@... writes:
> >
> ><< Following on from recent references to Whoopi Goldberg as being the
> > model for a certain Zira cast..... I think she has the kind of guts (she
> > is good at serious stuff don't forget) and voice to do the part justice
> > >>
> >
> >She doesn't have the eyes. Zira was the only ape with very expressive
>hazel
> >eyes.
> >I disagree about the voice too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

____________

In a message dated 08/07/2000 10:43:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> In a message dated 08/07/2000 10:12:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> mark.gould@... writes:
>
> << Following on from recent references to Whoopi Goldberg as being the
> model for a certain Zira cast..... I think she has the kind of guts (she
> is good at serious stuff don't forget) and voice to do the part justice
> >>
>
> She doesn't have the eyes. Zira was the only ape with very expressive

hazel

>
> eyes.
> I disagree about the voice too.
>

I agree, Whoopi Goldberg has no business in this movie! She is a low-class
has- been whose career has been reduced to little more than regurgitating
lame cracks as she fills her regular chair on Hollywood Squares.

Tim Burton needs to quit trying so hard to be "different", it's coming across
as more than a little bit desperate.

Phil: The only time I've ever heard of Felicity Kendal was as a
reference on the
Young Ones. Care to enlighten the Yanks?

Glad to Phil...

Felicity Kendal was popular on British TV for her role in the BBC
comedy show "The Good Life" She was widely regarded as a "Bit of
upper class crumpet" or "The thinking mans totty" which roughly
equates as to being ugly.

If memory serves once had the "Honor" of winning the British "rear of
the year" award.(Which involves that years "hot" actress poking her
butt at the photographers and smiling in embarrassment while they
take photos of it)

Personally I never understood what all the fuss was about... If they made
"Planet on the moose featured thespians" Maybe she'd get my vote.

Enlightening Yanks on ms Kendal,

The Good Life (also starring Richard Briers) late 70s early 80's Sitcom,
BBC. Has appeared in a few Python Spinoff things.

Also did 'Solo', later 80's if memory serves.

Apparently some brits think she'd make a good Zira (ahem), but I think
we are in for a very different sort of film to the one some of us were
expecting....

M

Don't forget Eddie! And I do remember one episode when Patsy refers to
Saphron as "Helena Bloody Bonham Carter" and now she's an ape! Go figure!,
John

In a message dated 8/7/0 3:10:11 PM, becker0715@... writes:

<< Tim Burton needs to quit trying so hard to be "different", it's coming
across as more than a little bit desperate. >>


Hey, he's a moody misunderstood GENIUS. Dresses in black, can't complete a
sentence and everything. Leave him alone and let him destroy "POTA"....so
long as it's in theatres tomorrow.

> Leave him alone and let him destroy "POTA"....so
> long as it's in theatres tomorrow.

Destroy POTA?
Did the sucky remake of PSYCHO distroy the original?
Of course not. So where do you get this logic from?

You can't distroy something that has already made it's mark in history.
Unless of course you have a time machine.

Alex

I like some of Burton's films and others I think are painfully
mediocre. While at first it does sound like a mismatch, Burton could
bring a surrealistic edge that could work quite brilliantly.

As for casting Wahlberg and other youngsters in the lead, blech. I
mean it could work and work well perhaps, but it's just such a easy
way to go to drum up $. An older lead would be much more realistic.

Still though, I'll try to keep an open mind.

In a message dated 08/07/2000 4:28:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
dballard@... writes:

<< "Bit of
upper class crumpet" or "The thinking mans totty" which roughly
equates as to being ugly. >>

You're thinking of Penelope Keith. Good voice, bad nose.

In a message dated 08/07/2000 8:53:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< Leave him alone and let him destroy "POTA" >>


If it turns out to be less than hoped for, it'll just make the original that
much more of a classic.

Burton's a good choice.
Better than Olie Stone and some of the hacks that were slated.
Now if they wanted a great choice the should have gotton Terry Gilliam!

In a message dated 08/07/2000 2:19:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:

<< Would this be a good time to point out that Zira isn't in the remake? If
she
were, Helena Bonham Carter would be a perfect choice. >>

Have you got the script?
I have the Terry Heyes and the Samm Hamm scripts, and she's in the latter.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> << Would this be a good time to point out that Zira isn't in the remake? If
> she
> were, Helena Bonham Carter would be a perfect choice. >>
>
> Have you got the script?
> I have the Terry Heyes and the Samm Hamm scripts, and she's in the latter.

I have those scripts, but they're not using either. Guy named William
Broyles is writing (has written) the script for the film.

hey you know how you see orangutans sparsely thru out Conguest but
yet during the revolution you don't see any orangutans anywhere? It's
just chimps and gorillas. That always bugged me.

>hey you know how you see orangutans sparsely thru out Conguest but
>yet during the revolution you don't see any orangutans anywhere? It's
>just chimps and gorillas. That always bugged me.

The orangutans were symbolic of the French.


____________

In a message dated 8/8/0 8:27:45 AM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< The orangutans were symbolic of the French. >>

No, forced busing, you dumbass....

Wasn't it a consignment of Orang-utans that Caesar hid with to effect
gaining entrance to the conditioning program?

M

dan piercy wrote:

> hey you know how you see orangutans sparsely thru out Conguest but
> yet during the revolution you don't see any orangutans anywhere? It's
> just chimps and gorillas. That always bugged me.
>
>

Hi Guys,

I'm not normally one to impose on anybody but as one ape fan to
another I'd like to ask a favour.

I've just bought myself a new VCR that can play both UK and USA tapes
soooo... Is there anybody out there who has the John Chambers tribute
who can run me off a copy? Of course I'd pay for the tape and postage
etc.

If there's anything anyone wants from the UK (Whether you can help
with the tape or not) I'd be glad to try and help.

In a message dated 08/08/2000 12:53:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
dballard@... writes:

<< Is there anybody out there who has the John Chambers tribute
who can run me off a copy? >>

I'd like to find one of those myself.

> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm not normally one to impose on anybody but as one ape fan to
> another I'd like to ask a favour.
>
> I've just bought myself a new VCR that can play both UK and USA tapes
> soooo... Is there anybody out there who has the John Chambers tribute
> who can run me off a copy? Of course I'd pay for the tape and postage

There was one up for bids on e-bay.
I was thinking about getting it to make multimedia clips for my site, but
the auction ended just moments before I got out of work.
What a bummer!

Alex

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:38:26 -0400 "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
writes:

>I only hope Chris Lawford doesn't see this e-mail. (hi chris)
>Because the other day we were talking about this, but I felt that
>fans wouldn't be interested in these minor extended scenes. But he felt
>that fans would be.

>I can see his e-mail now:
>I told you!

Now Alex, would I ever do something like that? ;-)


Speaking of BATTLE, someone posted the other day about whether or not the
extra 10 minutes makes it a better film. I have to say yes, because it
includes a major subplot (the Alpha-Omega bomb) which puts a whole
different spin on the outcome of the battle in as much as the audience
would be 'concerned' (as much as you would be watching a film) about what
happened. Yes, you want the Apes to win, but then what happens? The world
gets destroyed again? So of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
situation that always makes storytelling a bit more interesting.

I also thing the extended scenes help flesh out the story a bit more and
add tension in certain places, especially the scene where Caesar is
stalking Aldo through the trees. The final confrontation happens too fast
in the edited version. The other way, you get a bit more caught up in
what's going on. In a strange sort of way you can almost feel sorry for
Aldo in those last few moments. From his point of view he's totally
fu*ked- the entire Ape society has turned on him (and deservedly so for
what he did) and he pretty much knows what's going to happen. Like most
bullies (for lack of a better term) he acts one way when he's terrorizing
those weaker than him, or when he has the gorillas to back him up. But
when he's left on his own it's a whole different story.

The one scene in the forbidden city where Caesar and Virgil realize that
it's inhabited is pretty cool too. For those of you who've never seen it,
they both "smell" the humans but comment how "they're not like the humans
in our city" (or something to that effect). Yes, the audience knows that
the city is inhabited, but Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald don't. At that
moment in the film they realize they're not alone, and that builds a bit
of tension for the viewer.

I may be in the minority among Apes fans, but I really like BATTLE.
Probably my favorite after BENEATH and PLANET.


Later,

Chris L.
____

lawford42@... wrote:

>
> I may be in the minority among Apes fans, but I really like BATTLE.
> Probably my favorite after BENEATH and PLANET.

Preach it, brother! Something about Battle keeps me coming back. I know
it's a mess from a continuity standpoint. I know it would have been
better if they weren't wearing clothes from 2000 years in the future
(always thought some kind of evolution/augmentation of their slave
outfits TOWARD the classic costumes would have made more sense). I know
that hasty recasting made for an interesting story ("The black man is
the brother of my predecessor's personal assistant." Whew.). But
something about it being the final film, and never airing on Channel 7
in NY during the 4:30 movie Ape Week, made it really fun to watch as a
kid. Now, I love that ambiguous crying statue. Think about it. Who the
hell let them end with a crying statue??? That took balls. Vive la
Guerre por La Planete de Singe!!!

> Speaking of BATTLE, someone posted the other day about whether or not the
> extra 10 minutes makes it a better film. I have to say yes, because it
> includes a major subplot (the Alpha-Omega bomb) which puts a whole
> different spin on the outcome of the battle in as much as the audience
> would be 'concerned' (as much as you would be watching a film) about what
> happened. Yes, you want the Apes to win, but then what happens? The world
> gets destroyed again? So of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
> situation that always makes storytelling a bit more interesting.
>
> I also thing the extended scenes help flesh out the story a bit more and
> add tension in certain places, especially the scene where Caesar is
> stalking Aldo through the trees. The final confrontation happens too fast
> in the edited version. The other way, you get a bit more caught up in
> what's going on. In a strange sort of way you can almost feel sorry for
> Aldo in those last few moments. From his point of view he's totally
> fu*ked- the entire Ape society has turned on him (and deservedly so for
> what he did) and he pretty much knows what's going to happen. Like most
> bullies (for lack of a better term) he acts one way when he's terrorizing
> those weaker than him, or when he has the gorillas to back him up. But
> when he's left on his own it's a whole different story.
>
> The one scene in the forbidden city where Caesar and Virgil realize that
> it's inhabited is pretty cool too. For those of you who've never seen it,
> they both "smell" the humans but comment how "they're not like the humans
> in our city" (or something to that effect). Yes, the audience knows that
> the city is inhabited, but Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald don't. At that
> moment in the film they realize they're not alone, and that builds a bit
> of tension for the viewer.

I couldn't have put it better myself.
These deleted scenes really do make the story much better.
I still can't believe that 20th century fox won't release these scenes on
DVD.
I'm pretty sure that if Arthur P. would have still been around, these DVDs
would have been ten times better.

Talking about DVD, I'm getting my box set by no later than friday.
I can't wait! I'm going to be in ape digital heaven this weekend.

Alex

On-Screen Monkey Business Causes A Stir

The planned sex scene between Helena Bonham Carter and Mark Wahlberg in
Visitor, The (2001) is already causing a stir in Hollywood. Bonham
Carter, 33, is undergoing a daily six-hour make-up session to play an
ape in Tim Burton's remake of Planet of the Apes (2000), while Wahlberg,
28, is playing the astronaut role first made famous by Charlton Heston.
An insider says, "Helena's character becomes Mark's love interest. And
Burton thinks their relationship should evolve into love-making. " But
Hollywood executives are not enthusiastic about the planned scene. The
insider adds, "The studio guys think it's too weird and unnatural. They
think audiences will recoil. I think Tim is in for a major battle."

I also noticed that Corona, despite dismissing the Visitor as a code
title, is now listing the film as "The Visitor (inspired by 1968's
Planet of the Apes film)".

In a message dated 8/9/0 12:53:55 AM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< But Hollywood executives are not enthusiastic about the planned scene. >>

Wait'll the religious hipocrytes get wind of this! Anyone remember the
five-minute outrage over the sexual overtones in "Howard the Duck"? And they
didn't even make nasty, only shared a bed. (Great butshot of Leah
what's-her-name, by the way...)

Wahlberg banging a monkey. Doesn't sound like a cartoon yet, does it? Go,
Tim Burton, go.

>Wahlberg banging a monkey. Doesn't sound like a cartoon yet, does it? Go,
>Tim Burton, go.

It'll make sense in the sequel. Wahlberg's on for two, isn't he?

Hopefully Shumacher will come on board and take over for Burton in the
sequels.
____________

In a message dated 8/9/0 9:42:54 AM, soylentphil@... writes:
<< It'll make sense in the sequel. >>

Oh, okay. New trend in genre films.

<<Hopefully Shumacher will come on board and take over for Burton in the
sequels. >>

Only if we're lucky. And if Wahlberg spends two hours in his hot tub.

> Wahlberg banging a monkey. Doesn't sound like a cartoon yet, does it?

Go, > Tim Burton, go.

I believe that's more hype than anything else.
Because if Wahlberg bangs a monkey, who going to bang Estella Warren?
Dr. Zaius?

Why then even cast fashion model Estalla Warren as the human female?
So it just goes to show, don't believe everything you hear.

Alex

>Why then even cast fashion model Estalla Warren as the human female?

Maybe Mark is buttering his banana on both sides.
____________

But, will he still maintain his Dirk Diggler style while making hot wet
monkey love?

> But, will he still maintain his Dirk Diggler style while making hot wet
>monkey love?

Probably. It's Helena Bonham Carter, after all.
____________

I can see this one is going to run and run....

and the censor is going to have fits over it. (I leave it to you whether
it's laughter or....)

M

I'm getting aggravated by the bits of plot leaked so far. A damn shame,
because this sounds like a killer cast. And Burton's got his problems, but
he can pull a good movie out of his ass when he wants to. Pass or fail here
depends on the script alone.

I came across some great POTA stills this weekend, one or two that I've
never seen before. Will try to scan and share with the group asap.
____________

In a message dated 08/09/2000 9:11:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
nextnexus@... writes:

> Wait'll the religious hipocrytes get wind of this! Anyone remember the
> five-minute outrage over the sexual overtones in "Howard the Duck"? And
> they
> didn't even make nasty, only shared a bed. (Great butshot of Leah
> what's-her-name, by the way...)
>
> Wahlberg banging a monkey. Doesn't sound like a cartoon yet, does it?

Go,

> Tim Burton, go.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Eric. Let's not bash Christians who
try to make a make, at least they're taking a stand for something they
believe in. You or I may not see the incrimental cultural decline to be a
problem, but it's not hypocritical to merely vote with your pocketbook if you
do.

> >Why then even cast fashion model Estalla Warren as the human female?
>
> Maybe Mark is buttering his banana on both sides.

That's funny Phil, but just don't be surprised when you don't see Wahlberg
banging a monkey.

Alex

In a message dated 08/09/2000 4:09:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< That's funny Phil, but just don't be surprised when you don't see Wahlberg
banging a monkey. >>

Hey! I for one am glad to see a Sci-Fi flick that deals with adult subject
matter.
I'm sick of the way the Ewok Factor has permeated the Star Wars series. And
You know Lucas only does it to sell toys and line his pocket! Though Apes
has certainly had it's share of merchandising, The storylines have always
dealt with more serious stuff, and you never knew who would make it to the
next film. I for one, would have found it much more interesting if Leia or
one of the young Skywalkers died instead of an old Jedi master and took a
whole planet with them. Preferably the with all those damn Ewoks on it!
"YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP!
DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!!!"

> I'm getting aggravated by the bits of plot leaked so far. A damn shame,
> because this sounds like a killer cast. And Burton's got his problems, but
> he can pull a good movie out of his ass when he wants to. Pass or fail

here

> depends on the script alone.
>
> I came across some great POTA stills this weekend, one or two that I've
> never seen before. Will try to scan and share with the group asap.

Cool.
That would be great Phil!
I'm thinking of doing the same once I get this DVD set, from what I
understand these things are coming with photo gallaries.
So I'm hoping for some great exclusive stuff here to share with those who
don't have DVD.

For anyone who dosn't have DVD yet, you've got to get this!
Or a least get yourself the box set for the day you do get one.
For these box sets will be limited!

Alex

> Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Eric. Let's not bash Christians who
> try to make a make, at least they're taking a stand for something they
> believe in. You or I may not see the incrimental cultural decline to be a
> problem, but it's not hypocritical to merely vote with your pocketbook if

you

> do.

Very well put.
For without respect for one another, we might as well prepare for our own
POTA one day.

Alex

> "YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP!
> DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!!!"

oookay. . .

In a message dated 8/9/0 11:30:47 AM, byruiz@... writes:

<< Because if Wahlberg bangs a monkey, who going to bang Estella Warren?
Dr. Zaius? >>

No, I'll do it. (Take one for the team, you blokes can thank me later.)

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In a message dated 8/9/0 4:08:17 PM, becker0715@... writes:
<< Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Eric. Let's not bash Christians who
try to make a make, at least they're taking a stand for something they
believe in. You or I may not see the incrimental cultural decline to be a
problem, but it's not hypocritical to merely vote with your pocketbook if you
do. >>

"Religious hipocrytes" is non-denominational, they exist everywhere. Bashing
no one in particular, thanks. ("Taking a stand for something you believe in"
doesn't make something moral or ethical, poor grammar aside. Doesn't
necessarily make someone admirable or courageous, either. Lee Harvey Oswald
took a stand. So did James Earl Ray. And O.J. Simpson. Hitler. Didn't
make them right.)

Should interspecies sex scenes be included in the new "POTA" film, expect the
same knee-jerk reactions as were seen in repsonse to "Howard the Duck", "Last
Temptation of Christ", "Pi" and "Dogma". Religious hipocrytes feed of such
non-issue controversy -- grabs them headlines in print and face time on
broadcast. They feed off such attention and go out of their way to find new
non-issue controversies, preferably "fish-in-a-barrel" types like violent or
"dirty" movies. Humans banging monkeys

"Incremental cultural decline" might be a great buzz phrase, but it all comes
down to personal responsibility. I'm responsible for what I do, you're
responsible for what you do. Two rules to being an American are: 1) Mind
your own business and 2) Keep your hands to yourself. Don't proscribe
behaviour for me, I'll respect your right to do whatever. Amen. Otherwise,
we might as well wear green, yellow or black outfits with brown pants and eke
out existences in an oppressive ogliarchy. You can be Chief Defender of the
Faith and Minister of Science.

And that's "Mistah Greene" to you, son.

In a message dated 8/9/0 5:47:30 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I'm sick of the way the Ewok Factor has permeated the Star Wars series. >>


Often wondered whether Lucas' claim of "originally" having wanted the final
battle in "Jedi" to occur on Chewbacca's planet and feature wookies was crap.
Was he backpedalling, lifted the idea from some crap fan fic to save face
after the teddy bear crap exploded in his face?

Bad as they were, at least the last three "POTA" films required no
backpedalling and didn't recycle (canibalize?) themselves, as did Lucas' last
two "Star Wars" attempts.

> "Religious hipocrytes"

You don't have to be religious to be a hipocryte.
All it takes is for someone to believe that they are better than anyone
else.
Then before you know it, they believe themselves to be flawless.

> And that's "Mistah Greene" to you, son.

Need I say more?

Alex

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> Here's a very cool image I just downloaded off an e-bay auction.
> Press Kit for DVD.
>
> How cool and original!

I love that damn image. I saw it on a T shirt once, never saw it again.

In a message dated 8/9/0 10:19:02 PM, byruiz@... writes:
<< You don't have to be religious to be a hipocryte. All it takes is for
someone to believe that they are better than anyone else.>>

Hypocrite = One who is given to 'hypocrisy'.
Hypocrisy = Professing virtues or beliefs one doesn't possess themselves.
--American Heritage Dictionary, Second Collegiate Edition

Make up words for a living? You might've been confused with the word "snob".
(Big difference between, say, being "better" and being "smarter", by the
way.)

<<Then before you know it, they believe themselves to be flawless.>>

Certainly no hemorrhoids on you, Alex. You might be flawless, but wanna bet
I'm smarter?

<<>> And that's "Mistah Greene" to you, son.<<
Need I say more? >>

About not possessing a sense of humour? Sure, knock yourself out. Dying to
know what happened to yours.

"POTA" Content: I like the way Medicom's Zira fig tilts her head. Captured
the body language perfectly, just as in their Cornelius' posture.

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> "POTA" Content: I like the way Medicom's Zira fig tilts her head. Captured
> the body language perfectly, just as in their Cornelius' posture.

How about that Zaius, though???

And behave yourself. Make nice with Alex. Smile on your brother.

I don't proscribe or prescribe behaviour, and ultimately, people do
choose what
they want to do. Modern society allows this. There are always minorities that
like to think themselves 'Chief defenders of the Faith.' It is a film, that's
true. The issue not whether it can happen (it already has, I'm afraid) but
whether a film is the place where a great many people may have to watch bits
they'd prefer not to. The choice of watching a film is always whether to watch
it all or none. Why spoil the whole film for one (probably suggested) scene?
It's like poster ads - they get put everywhere, and they are there without
choice - money puts them there. Cultural decay is caused by a collective
lowering of morals (whatever they are). We don't have culture anymore
anyway -
you look the definition of culture up.

Someone at work commented that the world is going like the Roman Empire
- we are
headed for a decline. He's just waiting for the goths or the Vandals to appear
over the horizon. When you see what the sicker aspects of society show for
themselves from time to time - and the way it becomes more mainstream
all the
time, he may well be right.

All human life is here......

M

> > "POTA" Content: I like the way Medicom's Zira fig tilts her head.

Captured

> > the body language perfectly, just as in their Cornelius' posture.
>
> How about that Zaius, though???

What I really want to have is the Zira, Cornelius and Milo astronaut
figures.
Next to Dr. Zaius those are really going to look nice.

Alex

In a message dated 08/10/2000 1:49:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
mark.gould@... writes:

<< Why spoil the whole film for one (probably suggested) scene? >>

Maybe he'll have to save that one for the directors cut on the DVD. I
hope not. It is the year 2000 after all. Hell, in the book they didn't even
kiss! But this isn't the 60's In the 60's Heston had to explain that his
character was literally calling on God to damn the souls of his people for
destroying the world to get 'Goddamn' past the censors. Would you have
wanted him to say "DING DANG Y'ALL. DING DANG Y'ALL TA HECK!" I don't want
some watered down version.

I don't see what the big deal is. They have inter -- special sex on Star
Trek all the time and that's television! And that's not just in the last few
years. Captain Kirk slept with every green gal in the galaxy! I tell ya,
some of those Klingon broads look a step down on the evolutionary ladder from
a cavewoman, much less an intelligent lady ape. And no one bats an eye at
all the sleeping around on Voyager. Cmmndr. Chipolte' had Tadpole-Sex with
Capt. Janeway in prime-time.

Some unenlightened people were far more offended when Capt. Kirk kissed
Uhura than some green sex creature from another world. The racial issue was
a big point in the original films. Perhaps Marky's character needs a little
pillow talk, and is willing to trade a little in the looks department for a
little more personality. Maybe he's forced into it. We don't have the
details on this thing. But for those of out there who don't like it, wait
for it on broadcast television. I'm sure anything you might find
objectionable will be cut out.

In a message dated 08/10/2000 4:35:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< What I really want to have is the Zira, Cornelius and Milo astronaut
figures. >>

Yeah! Anyone got a line on the Apeonaut's release date?

In a message dated 08/09/2000 8:09:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
nextnexus@... writes:

> "Incremental cultural decline" might be a great buzz phrase, but it all

comes

>
> down to personal responsibility. I'm responsible for what I do, you're
> responsible for what you do. Two rules to being an American are: 1) Mind
> your own business and 2) Keep your hands to yourself. Don't proscribe
> behaviour for me, I'll respect your right to do whatever. Amen.

Otherwise,

>
> we might as well wear green, yellow or black outfits with brown pants and
> eke
> out existences in an oppressive ogliarchy. You can be Chief Defender of

the

>
> Faith and Minister of Science.
>

Try toning down the condescension just a tad, Eric - your unbridled arrogance
gets in the way of your otherwise interesting comments. By the way, I don't
agree with your Libertarian ethics, so don't assume your view is the "rule"
of being an American. I don't need your "respect" for my "right" to do
"whatever". The Bible is where I look to guidance, not you. Amen.

You probably don't remember this, but I met you at the '98 StarCon in
Pasadena. You autographed your book for me, and I remember you being much
nicer than you're appearing on this apes list.

Best wishes

In a message dated 08/09/2000 10:19:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

> > "Religious hipocrytes"
>
> You don't have to be religious to be a hipocryte.
> All it takes is for someone to believe that they are better than anyone
> else.
> Then before you know it, they believe themselves to be flawless.
>
> > And that's "Mistah Greene" to you, son.
>
> Need I say more?
>
> Alex

His response was a bit over the top, and he clearly adores himself quite a
bit.

In a message dated 08/10/2000 12:23:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
nextnexus@... writes:

> <<Then before you know it, they believe themselves to be flawless.>>
>
> Certainly no hemorrhoids on you, Alex. You might be flawless, but wanna

bet

>
> I'm smarter?
>

Eric, please, is this a joke? This cannot be your real personality! You are
being insufferable and annoying.

Is this a good time to suggest that we address petty bitching to the person
we are bitching with/about instead of boring the fuck out of the rest of the
group who want to talk apes? It really is getting old.

Is there any truth to monkey fucking being suspected as the origin of aids?
Maybe there is a deeper message behind the suggested inclusion of such a
remarkable act.....Imagine the 2 - pack Medicom figures to immortalise the
sex scene!

Michael from AUSTRALIA (sorry, I get all confused when people discuss just
what it is that is the essence of being American...)

-----Original Message-----
From: becker0715@... [becker0715@...]
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2000 20:48
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] From the IMDB

In a message dated 08/10/2000 12:23:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
nextnexus@... writes:

> <<Then before you know it, they believe themselves to be flawless.>>
>
> Certainly no hemorrhoids on you, Alex. You might be flawless, but wanna

bet

>
> I'm smarter?
>

Eric, please, is this a joke? This cannot be your real personality! You
are
being insufferable and annoying.

><< What I really want to have is the Zira, Cornelius and Milo astronaut
> figures. >>
>
>Yeah! Anyone got a line on the Apeonaut's release date?

Not sure where Taylor fits in (was supposed to come out with the last wave),
but the next wave is Nova, Aldo, and Zira astronaut.
____________

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=405292306

Here's a lobby card showing one of the deleted scenes, in case you haven't
been to Alexander's site (but why haven't you?). Kolp is seen showing his
Asian chippy the doomsday bomb (you can see its fin on the left of the
screen - it's featured much more prominently in the filmed scene).
____________

Hi. This is the first time I have posted. I don't really know as much
about POTA as all of you so please cut me some slack.lol Anyways
normally I just read everyones posts and I do enjoy learning about
various things. I just wanted to respond to the post about sexual
relations with an ape and people who are against it or whatever.
Personally, it does not bother me if it is part of the script. If it
did bother me thn I would not watch it. Right? Noone will be forced to
see the movie. If there is something offensive to someone than IMO they
don't have to watch, listen to, or read it. I am just very tired of some
people or groups trying to decide what is best for everyone.

Trisha K.
Mom to Alex 6-19-95 &
Katie and Aaron 8-3-99

> Certainly no hemorrhoids on you, Alex. You might be flawless, but wanna

bet

> I'm smarter?

Smarter?
Those who are quick to anger, show clear signs of one who has anything but
intellegence.
Or didn't you know that?

Being smart and being wise are two vey different things.
You can have a P.H.D. and still believe in things that are clearly untrue.
Or didn't you know that?

Live and learn, that's what I say.

Alex

Hear, hear Michael, this is getting a tad tedious.

The inclusion of the Marky/Helena Bonham Carter love story may in the
sequels lead to the introduction of AIDS when Marky returns back in time to
the 1970s. Consequentely most of human society, well in the USA at least,
as of course 'Planet' has always meant America, will be wiped out, leaving
the apes to take over ! The apes were of course introduced as household
pets not because of some other disease destroying the cat and dog population
but because of their own form of AIDS !!!!!!!!!

Everybody has been talking a load of crock recently so I thought I might
join in !

Kevin the gerbil xxx

COME ON YOU SPURS !!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: 10 August 2000 14:08
Subject: RE: [pota] From the IMDB

>Is this a good time to suggest that we address petty bitching to the person
>we are bitching with/about instead of boring the fuck out of the rest of

the

>group who want to talk apes? It really is getting old.
>
>Is there any truth to monkey fucking being suspected as the origin of aids?
>Maybe there is a deeper message behind the suggested inclusion of such a
>remarkable act.....Imagine the 2 - pack Medicom figures to immortalise the
>sex scene!
>
>Michael from AUSTRALIA (sorry, I get all confused when people discuss just
>what it is that is the essence of being American...)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: becker0715@... [becker0715@...]
>Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2000 20:48
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] From the IMDB
>
>In a message dated 08/10/2000 12:23:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
>nextnexus@... writes:
>
>> <<Then before you know it, they believe themselves to be flawless.>>
>>
>> Certainly no hemorrhoids on you, Alex. You might be flawless, but wanna
>bet
>>
>> I'm smarter?
>>
>Eric, please, is this a joke? This cannot be your real personality! You
>are
>being insufferable and annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Brian D said he was working on a Mediacom size Lawgiver resin. Or was I
hearing things?

It'd be nice for my desk.

M

>Brian D said he was working on a Medicom size Lawgiver resin. Or was I
>hearing things?

He said it. I read it.

By the way, a full review is forthcoming, but I just received from apemania
what will undoubtedly be the most expensive pair of pajamas I'll ever own.
If you can afford it, and don't mind the eternal ridicule of friends and
family, Apemania's merchandise is The Real Thing. Damn. More to come.
____________

Funny, I heard the thing was gunna be 24" tall. But whaddooIknow?

:-)

(Thanx for the pajama "plug" Phil, although I can think of better things to do
in a Chimp outfit than sleep! Silly human.)




Philip Nobile wrote:

> >Brian D said he was working on a Medicom size Lawgiver resin. Or was I
> >hearing things?
>
> He said it. I read it.
>
> By the way, a full review is forthcoming, but I just received from apemania
> what will undoubtedly be the most expensive pair of pajamas I'll ever own.
> If you can afford it, and don't mind the eternal ridicule of friends and
> family, Apemania's merchandise is The Real Thing. Damn. More to come.
> ____________

Agreed. Welcome to the group Trisha.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: cathykay@... [cathykay@...]
Sent: Friday, 11 August 2000 0:14
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] From the IMDB

Hi. This is the first time I have posted. I don't really know as much
about POTA as all of you so please cut me some slack.lol Anyways
normally I just read everyones posts and I do enjoy learning about
various things. I just wanted to respond to the post about sexual
relations with an ape and people who are against it or whatever.
Personally, it does not bother me if it is part of the script. If it
did bother me thn I would not watch it. Right? Noone will be forced to
see the movie. If there is something offensive to someone than IMO they
don't have to watch, listen to, or read it. I am just very tired of some
people or groups trying to decide what is best for everyone.

Trisha K.
Mom to Alex 6-19-95 &
Katie and Aaron 8-3-99

Trisha writes:

If there is something offensive to someone than IMO they don't have
to watch, listen to, or read it. I am just very tired of some people
or groups trying to decide what is best for everyone.

Hi Trisha, welcome to the group.

I agree 100%. Just be thankful you don't live in the UK. It's a
thousand times worse over here.

It's not that I'm offended, I just find the notion of a Human wanting
to do the deed with an Ape ridiculous... Taylor kissing Zira was
touching... If there'd been tongues involved it would have grossed me
out!

So It's not that I'm offended, IT just strikes me as a phenomenally
stupid thing to do. Being outrageous for the sake of being
outrageous. Surely no-one is going to take the movie seriously if
such a scene is included.

Dave Ballard wrote:

>
> So It's not that I'm offended, IT just strikes me as a phenomenally
> stupid thing to do. Being outrageous for the sake of being
> outrageous. Surely no-one is going to take the movie seriously if
> such a scene is included.

I don't think anyone here said they'd be offended, (and I agree with you
that it's a stupid idea) - the comment was that the standard
conservative groups would be up in arms about on-screen bestiality,
giving the film the worst kind of publicity.

In a message dated 8/10/0 1:16:55 AM, pjn1209@... writes:
<< How about that Zaius, though???>>

Mine still hasn't shown up from Amok Toys. However, an anal-retentive friend
pointed out how the Medicom Zaius has the "Planet" costume but a "Beneath"
headsculpt. Thoughts?

<<And behave yourself. Make nice with Alex. Smile on your brother. >>

I'm sorry, Phil.

Hey, Alex -- :-)

In a message dated 8/10/0 4:35:53 AM, byruiz@... writes:
<< What I really want to have is the Zira, Cornelius and Milo astronaut
figures. >>


Compare the jpgs of spacesuit Zira to the pic in the "POTA" soundtrack
booklet, frickin' INCREDIBLE representation of the costume. Totally uncanny,
no detail skimped. Perfect.

The Milo headsculpt will be very interesting -- wonder how good he'll look.

In a message dated 8/10/0 5:45:33 AM, becker0715@... writes:

<< His response was a bit over the top, and he clearly adores himself quite a
bit. >>

Clearly HE's not really "Eric Greene". Duh.

cableinet.co.uk writes:

<< I just find the notion of a Human wanting
to do the deed with an Ape ridiculous... >>

If these were ordinary apes I'd agree with you. However, I don't find it
any more ridiculous than doing the deed with Nova. She had the mind of an
animal, though I must admit, as far as her body went, she was a superior
being. This takes me back to the Star Trek thing yet again, where
inter-species romances is the norm. Spock is a perfect example, half human
half Vulcan. Perhaps you find it ridiculous from a genetic standpoint.

This takes me back to the fact that these are not regular apes. They are
more like evolved intelligent cavemen. If you find that ridiculous, May I
remind you that that is how the Neanderthal disappeared in the first place.
They didn't die out. They were bread out. In fact, those of you who've see
the make-up tests, will recall that all the way back to Beneath, they had a
hybrid Ape/Human. That was dropped as being to controversial at the time. I
guess some fans prefer to ignore the deeper issues in these films.They'd
rather see apes and humans killing each other, than kissing each other.

MAKE LOVE,
NOT WAR!!!!!

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<< His response was a bit over the top, and he clearly adores himself quite
a
bit. >>

Clearly HE's not really "Eric Greene". Duh.

Your one wild and crazy guy! :o)

Alex

Compare the jpgs of spacesuit Zira to the pic in the "POTA" soundtrack
booklet, frickin' INCREDIBLE representation of the costume. Totally
uncanny,
no detail skimped. Perfect.

The Milo headsculpt will be very interesting -- wonder how good he'll look.

Yeah, tell me about it.
I always wondered were that image from spleenworld.com came from?
And it turns out to be a medicom figure of the ape-o-nauts.
(If I'm not mistaken)

Truly a must have!
At this moment I can't aford all 19 so I'm just sticking to a hand full of
the original figures from the films. And all 3 of those ape-o-nauts are no
doubt at the top of my list! (Incredible)

Alex

Hi--

Just a quick question, out of nothing but my own curiosity:

How many folks here, saw any of the APES films, upon their first
release?

I have pleasant recollections of--as a toddler--going to PLANET OF THE
APES, late, in its original run.

Remarkably, if I remember correctly, it was the first movie I saw, that
wasn't part of a "kiddie matinee."

Even more remarkably, APES was featured as part of a double bill, with
Hammer's ONE MILLION BC.

It was an amazing Saturday afternoon, for a little kid: blasted back
to the prehistoric, and then, LITERALLY, rocketting, into the future!

Sweet memories...

Best,

Jim Burns

In a message dated 08/10/2000 9:35:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jameshburns@... writes:

<<
Just a quick question, out of nothing but my own curiosity:

How many folks here, saw any of the APES films, upon their first
release?

>>

MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

jw [oregon]

In a message dated 08/10/2000 2:25:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:

> By the way, a full review is forthcoming, but I just received from apemania
> what will undoubtedly be the most expensive pair of pajamas I'll ever own.

> If you can afford it, and don't mind the eternal ridicule of friends and
> family, Apemania's merchandise is The Real Thing. Damn. More to come.

Whoa, Nelly. Hold the phone. Back up a second there, partner.

They have apes pajamas????

In a message dated 08/10/2000 6:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

> >
> > So It's not that I'm offended, IT just strikes me as a phenomenally
> > stupid thing to do. Being outrageous for the sake of being
> > outrageous. Surely no-one is going to take the movie seriously if
> > such a scene is included.
>
> I don't think anyone here said they'd be offended, (and I agree with you
> that it's a stupid idea) - the comment was that the standard
> conservative groups would be up in arms about on-screen bestiality,
> giving the film the worst kind of publicity.
>

I'm a conservative Christian, and it really doesn't concern me that much
either way. This is science fiction, and I've been an apes fan from day one.

In a message dated 08/10/2000 6:47:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
nextnexus@... writes:

> << His response was a bit over the top, and he clearly adores himself quite

a

>
> bit. >>
>
> Clearly HE's not really "Eric Greene". Duh.

Okay, that's a relief. I still like Eric then.

In a message dated 08/10/2000 8:13:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< A full two minute trailer on the new Planet of the Apes Fox Interactive PC
Game! >>

I heard they were waiting for the new movie before they release the game.

In a message dated 08/10/2000 11:35:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
jameshburns@... writes:

<< Even more remarkably, APES was featured as part of a double bill, with
Hammer's ONE MILLION BC. >>

Could be, but if that was late in the run for Apes it must have been Really
late in the run for One Million BC since it was released two years earlier.
Of course being a Hammer film it was probably released in Britain first.

In a message dated 08/10/2000 11:39:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
Woodyjoo@... writes:

<< How many folks here, saw any of the APES films, upon their first
release? >>

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Texas} T

Here's an ape joke I picked up this week that's sure to offend a few of you
out there. So don't read it . . .

V
V
V
V





Five guys were marooned on a jungle island with no women. Just a female ape
that lived on the other side of the island. Trapped there for a very long
time, one of them said, "That's it! I can't take it any more!" He got up,
grabbed a bag and headed to the other side of the island with the other side
of the island.

Each of the other four took an arm or a leg, and he put the bag over her head
and got to it. After a while she one by one she got her hands and feet lose
and grab him, pulling him to her harder and harder. He yelled to his fellow
castaways.
"Get it off! Get it off!"
"We can't get her off you. You're on top!"
"No, the bag! I want to kiss her!"

LordTZer0@A... Wrote:

"jameshburns@w... writes: << Even more remarkably, APES was featured as
part of a double bill, with Hammer's ONE MILLION BC.>>

"Could be, but if that was late in the run for Apes it must have been
Really
late in the run for One Million BC since it was released two years
earlier.
Of course being a Hammer film it was probably released in Britain
first."

I knew this would happen.....
Phil was only making a joke folks, refering to his recent purchase of our
replica Cornelius costume as pajamas. So far, we aren't offering POTA bedroom
sets or attire as part of our merchandise line, but there's always next
year.....

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.com


becker0715@... wrote:

> In a message dated 08/10/2000 2:25:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> soylentphil@... writes:
>
> > By the way, a full review is forthcoming, but I just received from apemania
> > what will undoubtedly be the most expensive pair of pajamas I'll ever own.
>
> > If you can afford it, and don't mind the eternal ridicule of friends and
> > family, Apemania's merchandise is The Real Thing. Damn. More to come.
>
> Whoa, Nelly. Hold the phone. Back up a second there, partner.
>
> They have apes pajamas????
>
>

Woodyjoo@... wrote:

> In a message dated 08/10/2000 9:35:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jameshburns@... writes:
>
> <<
> Just a quick question, out of nothing but my own curiosity:
>
> How many folks here, saw any of the APES films, upon their first
> release?
> >>

Battle was the only one I saw in the theatre. I do remember being afraid
of the tv and radio ads for CONQUEST when it was released. It sounded so
scarey!

Brian

My bad. I bought a chimp costume for Halloween. I want to write a proper
review/heart recommedation, though. Stay tuned . . .

------Original Message------
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: pota@egroups.com
Sent: August 11, 2000 2:05:12 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [pota] APE PAJAMAS!!!???


I knew this would happen.....
Phil was only making a joke folks, refering to his recent purchase of our
replica Cornelius costume as pajamas. So far, we aren't offering POTA
bedroom
sets or attire as part of our merchandise line, but there's always next
year.....

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.com


becker0715@... wrote:

> In a message dated 08/10/2000 2:25:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> soylentphil@... writes:
>
> > By the way, a full review is forthcoming, but I just received from

apemania

> > what will undoubtedly be the most expensive pair of pajamas I'll ever

own.

>
> > If you can afford it, and don't mind the eternal ridicule of friends

and

> > family, Apemania's merchandise is The Real Thing. Damn. More to come.
>
> Whoa, Nelly. Hold the phone. Back up a second there, partner.
>
> They have apes pajamas????
>
>

> I heard they were waiting for the new movie before they release the game.

Well, I don't know what the latest rumor is, but I did hear on the e-group
that it will be released in the month of November.
And low and behold we now have the trailer of this game on the DVD set.
But no final date is given so we'll just have to see.

Alex

LordTZer0@... writes

I guess some fans prefer to ignore the deeper issues in these films.They'd
rather see apes and humans killing each other, than kissing each other.


Damn right I would.. And I suspect those "ape fans" you refer to are
the vast majority. You go ahead and cuddle up with some furry animals
and "discuss" your deeper issues... I'll just muddle on in my own
un-enlightened way.

Does anyone know what platform the game will be released on?

I got the racial allegories. Got the anti-nuclear war message. Got the
social satire and the ironic casting of Heston, as well as the forced
busing. But I missed the deeper issue of tapping monkey ass.

Mine still hasn't shown up from Amok Toys. However, an anal-retentive
friend
pointed out how the Medicom Zaius has the "Planet" costume but a "Beneath"
headsculpt. Thoughts?

Absolutely true. Although, the outfit was featured in both films.

I know most people (like the package design team at Fox)can't see the
difference between Planet, Beneath, or Escape Zira's makeups, or even the
diff between Cornelius, Caesar or Galen. But that's my cross to bear.

Love the new "Behind teh POTA" DVD cover . . .

In a message dated 08/11/2000 10:57:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< can't see the
difference between Planet, Beneath, or Escape Zira's makeup >>

In Beneath they didn't use the chin hairpiece, in Escape her hairline was
higher on her forehead.

And you never will.
Even if I explained the minutia in detail.
Just try to think of it as a metaphor for life.
Maybe you'll have an epiphany. I won't have my breath.


EOD

In a message dated 08/11/2000 10:39:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
dballard@... writes:

<< Damn right I would.. And I suspect those "ape fans" you refer to are
the vast majority. >>

That's cool. A lot of people in Germany, Russia and Asia feel the same way.


EOD

> And you never will.
>Even if I explained the minutia in detail.
>Just try to think of it as a metaphor for life.
>Maybe you'll have an epiphany. I won't have my breath.

AOL School time.

You're the only guy who knows what you're referring to in this message.
With a list like this, there's lots of messages with the same heading, so
unless you quote the message you're responding to, no one will understand
you.

Thanks for reading.

Love,

Phil
____________

Can someone explain the directing credit here?

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800106633
____________

You are really making me feel old. I was 18 when POTA first came out. My
favorite sequel was Escape with its tragic romance. I also remember seeing
Battle in a crowded theatre. I remember the entire audience cheering on the
line " Now fight like apes !"

>In a message dated 11 Aug 2000 12:27:05 EDT
>LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>That's cool. A lot of people in Germany, Russia and Asia feel the same way.
>

What an odd thing to say?...You mean there are ape fans in Germany,
Russia and Asia who would also rather see Apes and humans killing
each other?

That's probably true but remember... up is down, left is right and
backwards is straight ahead. A horse can't whinny and a cow can't moo
but the cat will always jump over the moon.

See, you're not the only one who can spout nonsense.