You think that Zaius actually carried out on the threat? Or did he just
lobotomize him. He was taking a long time, I thought, about carrying it out
on Taylor...the trial, interrogation, etc..
*Lynne*

>From: Philip Nobile <pjn1209@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@...
>Subject: Re: [pota] Thoughts...
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:54:57 -0400
>
>Lynne Miller wrote:
> >
> > Just thinking on the posts this week..The Landon one has me intrigued!!
>How
> > much information *could* Zaius have gotten out of him with the same
>threat
> > that he had given Taylor.
>
>More importantly, where in the Zaius Museum are Landon's testes on
>display? Same section as his frontal lobe?

____________

I think after getting conked on the head, Landon probably was delirious and
may have started muttering, blabbering, whatever. Zaius is notified, he
orders the lobotomy & emasculation. Swears the medical staff to secrecy. Then
Taylor pops up, "Damn Dirty Apes" in the middle of town, and Zaius is on the
spot. Just my thoughts, John.

Hope everything works out ok. Take care & get back soon. John

In a message dated 8/27/0 10:36:16 AM, JSe3689836@... writes:
<< Then Taylor pops up, "Damn Dirty Apes" in the middle of town, and Zaius is
on the
spot. >>

Zaius knows there's another intelligent human because of the writing on the
ground (literally) in front of the big cage, just after Chuck gets into the
fight and burned on the shoulder. Landon definitely was taken care of
quietly, from what Dodge was wearing the apes knew there were two.....third
one was in plain site and, unfortunately, revealed himself publicly. Which
saved his nads.

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> Landon definitely was taken care of
> quietly, from what Dodge was wearing the apes knew there were two.....

Am I remembering wrong, or did one version of the script note the apes'
surprise at Dodge's skin color? Had something to do with him being in
the museum?

Another Greene theory: He notes in his book that in the animated series,
Urko is sometimes written as a Nixon caricature, sometimes very
pointedly, such as a scene where Urko, previously drawn without
eyebrows, suddenly has bushy eyebrows and jowls while exclaiming "Is
there a conspiracy against me?" All the time, I thought it was sloppy
animation, but damn if I'm not going to go and check the tape.

In a message dated 8/27/0 11:17:13 AM, pjn1209@... writes:

<< Am I remembering wrong, or did one version of the script note the apes'
surprise at Dodge's skin color? Had something to do with him being in
the museum?>>

Good point, the politically correct, all-inclusive, diversified,
mutli-whatever climate blinded me. Dodge being black might've been the tell,
also would explain why he was in the museum immediately. Curious specimen
indeed. (NOTE: "Specimen" isn't an Italian astronaut...)

<<He notes in his book that in the animated series, Urko is sometimes written
as a Nixon caricature, sometimes very pointedly, such as a scene where Urko,
previously drawn without eyebrows, suddenly has bushy eyebrows and jowls
while exclaiming "Is there a conspiracy against me?" All the time, I thought
it was sloppy animation, but damn if I'm not going to go and check the tape.

>>

Oh lord, can it be? Wonder whether Urko was popping dilantin, like Trickie
Dick did during the last few years of his presidency. Greene? Our
overzealous "Space Academy" pal might've stumbled onto something. All I
recall from the animated series was that incessant cawing the pterodactyl
kept making. Haunts me to this day.

nextnexus@... wrote:

>
> Oh lord, can it be? Wonder whether Urko was popping dilantin, like Trickie
> Dick did during the last few years of his presidency. Greene? Our
> overzealous "Space Academy" pal might've stumbled onto something.

Checked the tape. No bushy eyebrows in the episode he mentioned. Maybe
he had the title wrong . . .

I think in the novelization of Escape, they made mention of a black man as
"unusual on this planet" and placed in the museum for that reason. I think it
was part of Zira's sodium pentothol trip.

Just a quick question, because I don't remember it offhand - was this scene
in the film?

http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/conquest.jpg

Alan

In a message dated 08/27/2000 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< Oh,well, back to begging!
*Lynne* >>
I'm begging you to beg for me while you're at it.

Yeah, bye Mark. Don't die or anything.



Remember, don't monkey around with your health!

Depends on how much truth there was to the head injury thing.
Maybe he just talked in his sleep. And never regained consciousness

cosmicraye, @... writes:

<< Just thinking on the posts this week..The Landon one has me intrigued!!
How
much information *could* Zaius have gotten out of him with the same threat
that he had given Taylor. Landon wasn't as strong a character as Taylor,
actually , Taylor didn't care about anything, really. I probably have to
work it out on paper sometime,..It's really got me thinking!! >>

You know, for all his power,
I don't think that Dr. Zaius was getting enough . . .
Maybe that's what made him so nad choppin' stroppy.
Don't ya think?

~"Where is your tribe, Taylor? Where are your WOMEN!?!"~

> Just a quick question, because I don't remember it offhand - was this

scene

> in the film?
>
> http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/conquest.jpg

Looks like another one of those deleted scenes.
I would love to see the full original.

Alex

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> Yeah, bye Mark. Don't die or anything.

Out of sick curiosity, how old are you?

From Coming Attractions:

Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's bio on the official Art of War website states he is
about to enter production on this project.
_____________

.html Hi, dear Ape friends!

Coming soon, in São Paulo, Brazil, The ApeCon  - the first latin american convention dedicated to Planet of the Apes!

Look:

www.comix.com.br/eventos/apecon

Adami

<.html

Okay..but I must warn you that you'll have to take your place in line,the
end,of course. There's at least 10 of mine ahead of you!!

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Poll
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:39:21 EDT
>
>In a message dated 08/27/2000 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
>cosmicraye@... writes:
>
><< Oh,well, back to begging!
> *Lynne* >>
>I'm begging you to beg for me while you're at it.

_____________

Okay..but I must warn you that you'll have to take your place in line,the
end,of course. There's at least 10 of mine ahead of you!!
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Poll
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:39:21 EDT
>
>In a message dated 08/27/2000 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
>cosmicraye@... writes:
>
><< Oh,well, back to begging!
> *Lynne* >>
>I'm begging you to beg for me while you're at it.

_____________

I really don't remember it. I do remember Breck going on a shooting rampage
when the apes started getting antsy, but I remember it being pretty random,
not like the one on one in the picture. Looks almost like a run-through
shot..the officers look pretty relaxed.
*Lynne*

>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: "Apes List" <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] Conquest
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:43:30 +0100
>
>Just a quick question, because I don't remember it offhand - was this scene
>in the film?
>
>http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/conquest.jpg
>
>Alan
>

_____________

I'll really have to look at Planet and Beneath today sometime..there isn't a
single female orang that I saw,..I know we discussed this on the list last
week or so. You may have a point, or maybe he is a 'human lover' and just
wants a date.
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Thoughts...
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:57:48 EDT
>
>
>
> You know, for all his power,
>I don't think that Dr. Zaius was getting enough . . .
>Maybe that's what made him so nad choppin' stroppy.
>Don't ya think?
>
>~"Where is your tribe, Taylor? Where are your WOMEN!?!"~

_____________

Or maybe it was that stuff he was smokin'. What's up wit dat? And Julius had
a stogie. Guess those apes like to smoke. Probably won't see that in the
remake. Too politically incorrect. Go Apes, John

<< Or maybe it was that stuff he was smokin'. What's up wit dat? And Julius
had
a stogie. Guess those apes like to smoke. Probably won't see that in the
remake. Too politically incorrect. Go Apes, John >>

Yeah, I know a blunt when I sees one.
When the doctors are away . . .
Then again no tellin' what was in Zaius' pipe.
We all saw that Zira couldn't even handle a Baby Cham.
A couple of those and she's anybodys.
~Viv, The Young
Ones~

Hi All,

I've been away for a few days and have just caught up with my mail.
There doesn't seem to be as much support for this idea as I
expected...

Alan, Lynne and Brian. That's it?

If anyone wants to participate send your message to
4print@.... If you want to send a handwritten message email
me at that address and I'll tell you where to send it. Cut off date
is 30th September. That gives everyone plenty of time.

> If anyone wants to participate send your message to
> 4print@.... If you want to send a handwritten message email
> me at that address and I'll tell you where to send it. Cut off date
> is 30th September. That gives everyone plenty of time.

You should do it before hand, his birthday is in mid September.
It would be cool to send it by his birthday.
I'm sending a fan mail with some kind of ape birthday card and a gift, a
medicom figure. I'm sure he'll get a kick out of that.


Alex

I agree Alex, it would be a nice added touch to get it sorted in time
for his birthday.. But I'd rather do it right than do it quick.

Glad to see the Young Ones are still appreciated. Come to think of it, Alexei
Sayles would make a good gorilla, Neil a good dumb human, Mike would make a
good chimp & Vivian would be a perfect Julius. Dear God, my memory fails me,
who was the fourth? Help LT0 !

Count me in, I'll send a message to the e-mail address you designated. Thanks
for the reminder, John

Still thinking here in Florida. Stalled a day or two off my trip to the
North by last minute items....
On the TV series, Alan states that he told Jones to activate the automatic
homing device. I thought it was automatic!! But that isn't what I was
thinking about..if the homing device *was* activated, there must have been a
beacon that brought it in, right? Could there be mutants *under* Ape City?
Just more thoughts to get my mind off the crap going on here...I've been
living out of a suitcase for almost a week now..too lazy to slightly unpack,
ya know!
*Lynne*
_____________

<< Glad to see the Young Ones are still appreciated. Come to think of it,
Alexei
Sayles would make a good gorilla, Neil a good dumb human, Mike would make a
good chimp & Vivian would be a perfect Julius. Dear God, my memory fails me,
who was the fourth? Help LT0 ! >>

Rik Mayall,
Who has recovered from a very nasty head injury from a quad runner accident
on his farm.

Thanks, man. Could've kicked myself for not knowing that. How about Rik as Dr
Maximus, commissioner for animal affairs. Later, John

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The recent Chambers Birthday Stuff got me thinking about other Ape
techical people....Morton Haack springs to mind. His costumes really
accented the makeup. Gave it a real alien feel. And Nova's outfit.
What can you say!?! Jack Martin Smith & William Creber did a great
job with Ape City. Kinda like a demented Whoville. Is that redundant?
Any thoughts.....Later, John

JSe3689836@... wrote:

>
> The recent Chambers Birthday Stuff got me thinking about other Ape
> techical people....Morton Haack springs to mind. His costumes really
> accented the makeup. Gave it a real alien feel.

I just read that he only worked in films from 1959-1971. He died in
1987.

In case anyone is interested, I've done a write up of Film Score
Monthly's BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES soundtrack for my music column
at www.openupandsay.com. You'll see the CD cover on the main page and
that takes you right to it.

Enjoy, and if you don't have it already, BUY THIS SOUNDTRACK!! :-)


Later,

Chris L.
____

Posted this earlier, but think it was lost:

The Greene book mentions that Paul Williams sang a song on "The Tonight
Show with Johnny Carson" in full ape makeup. Mike Douglas also hosted
an episode of his talk show in full ape makeup. The 70s ruled.

.html <.html

Too Bad. Good Job, Mort!

Good timing courtesy Chris & his "Beneath ..." review. Ran across the
LP for $25-ish this weekend, didn't know about the reissued CD.
Glad I didn't pick it up, especially with remastering & bonus tracks
out there ... hooray.

And with Paul Williams singing in ape makeup on the Tonight Show,
just enhances the argument he's totally due for/deserving of the
spotlight once again. Hope he sang something like "Evergreen"
or "We've Only Just Begun" ... ah, the 70's indeed. :-)

Ryan

Hi everyone!

Here is my annual (or something like that) e-mail. I've been combing
through the e-mails en masse and I will now expound upon them (someone grab
a shovel!):

First of all, good luck to Mark Gould; I hope everything is OK. But for
anyone else who wants to unsubscribe to this group, I say,"Good riddance,
losers!"

John Chambers tribute: Actually, I just talked with Scott Essman today.
He said the chambers tape has sold more than his other tapes and he's almost
out. He's considering doing another batch, which I agreed was a good idea
since the new movie will only increase interest. Scott footed the bill for
the event, put it together and deserves every thanks. By the way, I make a
cameo in the tape. Early on, they pan around the room. I had been talking to
Roddy McDowell and they caught me just as I was turning around and walking
away. Damn, if they panned a little earlier I would have been captured
talking to Roddy for eternity. I have kind of a dazed look on my face
(actually, I always have that).
I helped Scott out on the tribute, so the next year he was doing a tribute
to the "Wizard of Oz" and wanted to do a birthday cake for John (John didn't
work on the "Wizard of Oz" but the tribute happened to fall near his
birthday again). Scott asked me to design John's cake and I drew an
evolution chart showing apes evolve from primitivity to Oz's flying monkey
to "Planet of the Apes" to today, "today" being John's birthday. I put in 2
Mego figures for a 3D representation of "today". One of the figures got
stolen but it was worth it. There's a picture of the cake in the #16 issue
of "Makeup Artist" magazine. Our own "Apemania" Brian presented the cake to
John.

Scott is also working on some book projects that use his Chambers
material. The tribute coincided with Scott's article about John for
"Cinefex" magazine. I don't have the issue handy, so I forget the #, but it
was a 1997 issue that covered four films, including "Batman and Robin", so
John got short shrift. Scott also covered Rick Baker's work on "Mighty Joe
Young" for "Cinefex" and had hoped to cover "Apes" for them (who better?).
But Scott tells me now they no longer accept work from freelancers. Great
Scott! Thanks to him I got to know John Chambers and even got to reunite him
with Natalie Trundy. I've seen pictures of Halloween '67 when John made
Arthur Jacobs up as Dr. Dolittle and Natalie as Dr. Zira. Yes, ZZIIIRRR- -
AH! Back then, Lisa wasn't even a gleam in Paul Dehn's eye. Natalie was
wearing the brand new Zira costume.

LET'S MAKEUP: Is Baker a better choice than Winston for "Apes", it was
asked? I say YES. Besides Baker's oodles of experience actually doing apes
(Stan Winston did what, "Congo" and "Instinct"?), Baker is a traditionalist
and says he wants to keep it pure like the originals- - - no animatronics.
Winston seems to be in love with technology, like his friend James Cameron.
I'm not knocking Stan Winston; "Jurassic Park", the "Terminators",
"Aliens"...give me a break! But Baker doing "Apes" doesn't just seem like
luck to me, it seems more like divine intervention. Baker has even done all
the major ape remakes: "King Kong", "Mighty Joe Young", even Tarzan (via
"Greystoke"). What's left, "Murders on the Rue Morgue"?
Roddy's TV gloves: sure, it seems cheap but they didn't just do it to save
makeup money. I believe it was done more to accomodate Mr. McDowell, who had
to wear that damn makeup alot in the series. Someone asked if the makeup
could have led to Roddy's death. Well, that was kinda a long time ago so
it'd be hard to trace. He died at 70, that's not such a bad age to reach.

ENGLISH CLASS: It keeps getting brought up how the apes speak English yet
Heston wasn't tipped off about where he was. It's a good point about the
other nationalities in Heston films that all speak English. It's just common
practice. In WW2 movies the Germans speak English, even "Schindler's List".
In the old "Outer Limits" show the aliens always spoke English except the
bug-like "Zanti Misfits", who had an English interpreter (remember that
episode?!! I don't think any story scared me more as a kid than that one).
For me, a good example of creativity in this regard is Oliver Stone's
"Heaven and Earth". The first half of the movie takes place in Vietnam and
though they speak in English, it's understood they are Vietnamese. The
second half takes place in the U.S. and shows the main character struggling
with English. Perhaps the new movie could do something like that, if they
were going to adapt Boulle's novel, say. The apes could speak in English but
it's established it's their own language. Ah, forget it. It's much easier if
everyone speaks English!

"DODGE WAS KILLED IN THE HUNT. WHAT HAPPENED TO LANDON?": Good question.
I've always loved the subtext of the scene where Zira "introduces" Zauis to
"Bright Eyes". She says he's been "prowling around the lab" and he already
obviously knows more than he's letting on. The Landon situation would be a
great thread to hang a story on, a comic book, a short story, whatever. In a
way, Taylor lucked out by his throat being injured. I doubt Landon was so
lucky. ("Hey! What are you doing with that knife? I need those! Hey you
stupid monkeys, a joke's a joke but that's not funny! Hey! Ahhhhh!!!!)

QUEST FOR "CONQUEST": The photo of Breck aiming a gorilla is one of the
cut shots from J. Lee Thompson's bloodier, controversial version of
"Conquest". When Fox gets around to doing a better set of "Apes" DVDs I hope
they will provide the option of either the standard version of "Conquest" or
Thompson's version (if it still exists), and the standard or uncut version
of "Battle". Send those letters to Fox!
I have no doubt that next year Fox will release both the TV and cartoon
series of "Apes". The Columbia House gig is by subscription and they use
shows with long runs; 14 episodes probably isn't worth their while.
The DVD of "Terminator 2" sonds great. James Cameron always delivers when
his films come to home video. We could have expected lots of extras if he'd
done "Apes" (Burton, on the other hand, says he doesn't like director's cuts
on video - basically, he says when a movie's done, it's done - and it wasn't
until this year he started doing audio commentaries. But "Apes" fans are
used to getting slighted on home video anyway). "Terminator" always kind of
reminded me of "Apes" with machines instead of apes. And Cameron's ideas for
his "Planet of the Apes" were reportedly Terminatorish.

BITS AND PIECES: I'm glad to hear Booth Colman will give voice to the "Apes"
game. He's one of the nicest people around and has a very distinct voice. He
got his start in radio.
As for talk shows, there's an old book out about Phil Donahue, I think his
autobiography, which has a picture of him in ape makeup (an Orangutan). I
think our Brian will be on the "Donny and Marie" show Monday.
Hey, was there a booklet in the "Apes" DVD set. I heard there was supposed
to be.


- - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Thoughts...


> nextnexus@... wrote:
> >
> > Landon definitely was taken care of
> > quietly, from what Dodge was wearing the apes knew there were two.....
>
> Am I remembering wrong, or did one version of the script note the apes'
> surprise at Dodge's skin color? Had something to do with him being in
> the museum?
>
> Another Greene theory: He notes in his book that in the animated series,
> Urko is sometimes written as a Nixon caricature, sometimes very
> pointedly, such as a scene where Urko, previously drawn without
> eyebrows, suddenly has bushy eyebrows and jowls while exclaiming "Is
> there a conspiracy against me?" All the time, I thought it was sloppy
> animation, but damn if I'm not going to go and check the tape.
>
>
>
>
>

Hey Jeff,

Any luck on those apes stickers you were going to get for me?

Thanks

STICKERS: I haven't had a chance yet but it's in my head. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <becker0715@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Dribs and Drabs


>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> Any luck on those apes stickers you were going to get for me?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

The Fuct sticker of the Mego soldier ape is $2 plus tax and the store has
alot of them. The postcards (Pearl Jam, 30th Anniversary) are in more
limited supply. If a whole bunch of people want them it might be better to
contact the manufacturer. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: <becker0715@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Dribs and Drabs


>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> Any luck on those apes stickers you were going to get for me?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 09/03/2000 1:30:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

> The Fuct sticker of the Mego soldier ape is $2 plus tax and the store has
> alot of them. The postcards (Pearl Jam, 30th Anniversary) are in more
> limited supply. If a whole bunch of people want them it might be better to
> contact the manufacturer. - - -

I went to fuct.com and ordered their sticker.

Do you know who makes the post cards? Do you know the name/phone number of
the store that sells them?

becker0715@... wrote:

> I went to fuct.com and ordered their sticker.

Where is it at? I spent about ten minutes navigating their
site and never found them. I should say that I felt their site
was poorly organized... and no 'search for product' function
too boot.

Hope you can help. Thanks!

90

> As for talk shows, there's an old book out about Phil Donahue, I think

his

> autobiography, which has a picture of him in ape makeup (an Orangutan). I
> think our Brian will be on the "Donny and Marie" show Monday.
> Hey, was there a booklet in the "Apes" DVD set. I heard there was

supposed

> to be.

Brian on Donny and Marie, cool, I'll watch for that.
The booklet that came with the DVD was the timeline booklet about 2 or 3
pages long, very nice graphics.

Alex

> The DVD of "Terminator 2" sonds great. James Cameron always delivers

when

> his films come to home video. We could have expected lots of extras if

he'd

> done "Apes" (Burton, on the other hand, says he doesn't like director's

cuts

> on video - basically, he says when a movie's done, it's done - and it

wasn't

> until this year he started doing audio commentaries. But "Apes" fans are
> used to getting slighted on home video anyway). "Terminator" always kind

of

> reminded me of "Apes" with machines instead of apes. And Cameron's ideas

for

> his "Planet of the Apes" were reportedly Terminatorish.

That's one of the reasons why I've always loved Terminator, that on top of
the fact that I've always loved films that delt with the whole destiny
issue, very cool sci-fi concepts. I just hope that the next T film deales
with the war between man and machine in the future. With Cameron's vision in
movie making, it would be a knock out!

If you've never seen Terminator 2 in 3D at Universal Studios, you've got
too, that is one hell of a 30min. 3D film. Cameron at his best!
The War against Skynet in 2029 WOW!!

Alex

"Terminator" 3 and 4 are going ahead without James Cameron. Ah - nuld has
been signed (even though he'd said he would NEVER do it without Cameron) and
Edward Furlong is signed too. Linda Hamilton has also said she would never
do it without her ex-hubby Cameron and so far she hasn't been signed (with
her divorce settlement from Cameron, she doesn't have to work!). I don't
know Cameron's feelings about his colleagues going on without him but I
think it's sad that the Almighty Dollar has taken his baby away from him.
Say what you like about the "Star Wars" films but at least they are in the
hands of the original creator. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Dribs and Drabs


>
> > The DVD of "Terminator 2" sonds great. James Cameron always delivers
> when
> > his films come to home video. We could have expected lots of extras if
> he'd
> > done "Apes" (Burton, on the other hand, says he doesn't like director's
> cuts
> > on video - basically, he says when a movie's done, it's done - and it
> wasn't
> > until this year he started doing audio commentaries. But "Apes" fans are
> > used to getting slighted on home video anyway). "Terminator" always kind
> of
> > reminded me of "Apes" with machines instead of apes. And Cameron's ideas
> for
> > his "Planet of the Apes" were reportedly Terminatorish.
>
> That's one of the reasons why I've always loved Terminator, that on top of
> the fact that I've always loved films that delt with the whole destiny
> issue, very cool sci-fi concepts. I just hope that the next T film deales
> with the war between man and machine in the future. With Cameron's vision
in
> movie making, it would be a knock out!
>
> If you've never seen Terminator 2 in 3D at Universal Studios, you've got
> too, that is one hell of a 30min. 3D film. Cameron at his best!
> The War against Skynet in 2029 WOW!!
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 09/03/2000 8:01:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
jpctqm@... writes:

> > I went to fuct.com and ordered their sticker.
>
> Where is it at? I spent about ten minutes navigating their
> site and never found them. I should say that I felt their site
> was poorly organized... and no 'search for product' function
> too boot.
>
> Hope you can help. Thanks!

I agree that their website "suct"! The sticker is under accessories, and it
is just shown in a pile of other stuff, you won't get a good look at one. I
can't say they're the greatest, but sort of fun. You might just want to
contact fuct at their address with any questions, their website is certainly
not a great deal of help.

Does anyone know of any other apes stickers out there available, besides the
original mego stickers on ebay? I am looking for after-market stickers to
promote our love of pota.

becker0715@... wrote:

>
> I agree that their website "suct"! The sticker is under accessories, and it
> is just shown in a pile of other stuff, you won't get a good look at one. I
> can't say they're the greatest, but sort of fun. You might just want to
> contact fuct at their address with any questions, their website is certainly
> not a great deal of help.
>

Thanks a lot. I looked and didn't see it. Will look again.
Hey, what's with the spam-like advertising piece (see above
between the ------------ lines)? If this eGroup is going to
become commercialized with advertising, I'll be pulling out.
I get enough SPAM without someone here feeding me more
on the top of every message.

Best POTA's current store item I've found so far was at
Suncoast Video Store... an awesome POTA's T-Shirt unlike
any I've seen before and with incredible artwork.

90

> "Terminator" 3 and 4 are going ahead without James Cameron. Ah - nuld has
> been signed (even though he'd said he would NEVER do it without Cameron)

and

> Edward Furlong is signed too. Linda Hamilton has also said she would never
> do it without her ex-hubby Cameron and so far she hasn't been signed (with
> her divorce settlement from Cameron, she doesn't have to work!). I don't
> know Cameron's feelings about his colleagues going on without him but I
> think it's sad that the Almighty Dollar has taken his baby away from him.
> Say what you like about the "Star Wars" films but at least they are in the
> hands of the original creator. - - - Jeff Krueger

Well, I believe no matter what one may read, Cameron will be involved.
Terminator is his baby, and he does need a big hit to follow TITANIC. So I
honestly won't doubt it. He's just holding out for now. Filming won't begin
until next Fall for a July 4th release in 2002.

2001 Apes vs. Matrix
2002 Star Wars vs. Terminator.

Alex

I can almost guarantee you Cameron won't do the new "Terminators". He says
they won't give him the control he wants (see the new "Cinescape" magazine,
which covers his TV show "Dark Angel"). From what I understand, the ront
runner to direct is Ridley Scott, interesting since Cameron did the sequel
to Scott's "Alien".

Also, it's not going to be "Planet of the Apes" vs. "the Matrix", it's
going to be "Planet of the Apes" vs. "Jurassic Park 3" and "The Mummy 2" and
Spielberg"s "A.I.". Add to that the year's "Spiderman", "Harry Potter",
"Lord of the Rings". . . I don't know, does "Matrix" come out next year?. .
. and it's going to be a Battle of the Franchises in 2001 for the top spot.
A blood bath! - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Terminate it?


>
> > "Terminator" 3 and 4 are going ahead without James Cameron. Ah - nuld
has
> > been signed (even though he'd said he would NEVER do it without Cameron)
> and
> > Edward Furlong is signed too. Linda Hamilton has also said she would
never
> > do it without her ex-hubby Cameron and so far she hasn't been signed
(with
> > her divorce settlement from Cameron, she doesn't have to work!). I don't
> > know Cameron's feelings about his colleagues going on without him but I
> > think it's sad that the Almighty Dollar has taken his baby away from
him.
> > Say what you like about the "Star Wars" films but at least they are in
the
> > hands of the original creator. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
> Well, I believe no matter what one may read, Cameron will be involved.
> Terminator is his baby, and he does need a big hit to follow TITANIC. So I
> honestly won't doubt it. He's just holding out for now. Filming won't
begin
> until next Fall for a July 4th release in 2002.
>
> 2001 Apes vs. Matrix
> 2002 Star Wars vs. Terminator.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'm with you Jeff - I think any genuine Star Wars fan would be happy enough
with Episode One and would use the existence of Jar-Jar to amuse one's
children rather than slam the creator as being soft! I think Lucas knew
that most of his fans are returning to see the prequel with extra family
members and cleverly included the new generation......but I could be wrong!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2000 1:55
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Terminate it?


"Terminator" 3 and 4 are going ahead without James Cameron. Ah - nuld has
been signed (even though he'd said he would NEVER do it without Cameron) and
Edward Furlong is signed too. Linda Hamilton has also said she would never
do it without her ex-hubby Cameron and so far she hasn't been signed (with
her divorce settlement from Cameron, she doesn't have to work!). I don't
know Cameron's feelings about his colleagues going on without him but I
think it's sad that the Almighty Dollar has taken his baby away from him.
Say what you like about the "Star Wars" films but at least they are in the
hands of the original creator. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Dribs and Drabs


>
> > The DVD of "Terminator 2" sonds great. James Cameron always delivers
> when
> > his films come to home video. We could have expected lots of extras if
> he'd
> > done "Apes" (Burton, on the other hand, says he doesn't like director's
> cuts
> > on video - basically, he says when a movie's done, it's done - and it
> wasn't
> > until this year he started doing audio commentaries. But "Apes" fans are
> > used to getting slighted on home video anyway). "Terminator" always kind
> of
> > reminded me of "Apes" with machines instead of apes. And Cameron's ideas
> for
> > his "Planet of the Apes" were reportedly Terminatorish.
>
> That's one of the reasons why I've always loved Terminator, that on top of
> the fact that I've always loved films that delt with the whole destiny
> issue, very cool sci-fi concepts. I just hope that the next T film deales
> with the war between man and machine in the future. With Cameron's vision
in
> movie making, it would be a knock out!
>
> If you've never seen Terminator 2 in 3D at Universal Studios, you've got
> too, that is one hell of a 30min. 3D film. Cameron at his best!
> The War against Skynet in 2029 WOW!!
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 09/03/2000 2:05:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
jpctqm@... writes:

> Thanks a lot. I looked and didn't see it. Will look again.
> Hey, what's with the spam-like advertising piece (see above
> between the ------------ lines)? If this eGroup is going to
> become commercialized with advertising, I'll be pulling out.
> I get enough SPAM without someone here feeding me more
> on the top of every message.
>
> Best POTA's current store item I've found so far was at
> Suncoast Video Store... an awesome POTA's T-Shirt unlike
> any I've seen before and with incredible artwork.

They are now putting that ad tag on the egroups posts, I am subscribed to
another one and the same thing happened.

Thanks for the scoop on the Suncoast t-shirts....are those the black ones? I
think I've seen those.

becker0715@... wrote:

> They are now putting that ad tag on the egroups posts, I am subscribed to
> another one and the same thing happened.

It sucks. :-) Damn dirty humans! LOL

> Thanks for the scoop on the Suncoast t-shirts....are those the black ones? I
> think I've seen those.

There is a photo of the artwork I just loaded up at
this location:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/8147/MVC-028F.JPG

On the front, embroidered, it says "PLANET OF THE
APES" in silver.

They're pretty high quality t-shirts, and it's about the
best artwork I've seen to date. It actually looks a
whole lot better than in my photo (sorry, crappy shot).

90

> I can almost guarantee you Cameron won't do the new "Terminators". He

says

> they won't give him the control he wants (see the new "Cinescape"

magazine,

> which covers his TV show "Dark Angel"). From what I understand, the ront
> runner to direct is Ridley Scott, interesting since Cameron did the sequel
> to Scott's "Alien".

Yeah, I just saw Cinescape, most likey he's holding out for more controll.
So Ridley Scott, also director of "Gladiator" will most likely take the
spot. Interesting how I have a Gladiator site. Perhaps it was meant to be.
:o)
If this new T film will be anything like the first 20 min. of Gladiator,
this thing is going to rock!

> Also, it's not going to be "Planet of the Apes" vs. "the Matrix", it's
> going to be "Planet of the Apes" vs. "Jurassic Park 3" and "The Mummy 2"

and

> Spielberg"s "A.I.". Add to that the year's "Spiderman", "Harry Potter",
> "Lord of the Rings". . . I don't know, does "Matrix" come out next year?.

.

> . and it's going to be a Battle of the Franchises in 2001 for the top

spot.

> A blood bath! - - - Jeff Krueger

Matrix 2 and 3 are being filmed at the same time and 2 will be released in
the summer of 2001 with 3 being released later in that year. (According to
Rumor)
Jurassic Park 3?
Forget the vs. part, if Spielburg is directing it, then Jurrassic is going
to win that puppy.

Alex

In a message dated 09/03/2000 5:59:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
jpctqm@... writes:

> > Thanks for the scoop on the Suncoast t-shirts....are those the black

ones?

> I
> > think I've seen those.
>
> There is a photo of the artwork I just loaded up at
> this location:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/8147/MVC-028F.JPG
>
> On the front, embroidered, it says "PLANET OF THE
> APES" in silver.
>
> They're pretty high quality t-shirts, and it's about the
> best artwork I've seen to date. It actually looks a
> whole lot better than in my photo (sorry, crappy shot).
>

Thanks for posting that. The standard anniversary artwork isn't bad, but I
have to be honest. I'm probably going to alienate some folks here, but
Cornelius isn't one of my favorite characters. I would sooner buy a t-shirt
featuring Doc Z, Ursus, Nova, or many others. I wish they would have picked
a more interesting character to feature so prominently on the anniversary
stuff.

Sorry if I offended any Roddy fans, I don't have anything in particular
against him. He added to the movie, just not my favorite.

Anyone else have any good sources for apes stickers or t-shirts?

90-CORVETTE <jpctqm@...> wrote:

>Thanks a lot. I looked and didn't see it. Will look again.
>Hey, what's with the spam-like advertising piece (see above
>between the ------------ lines)? If this eGroup is going to
>become commercialized with advertising, I'll be pulling out.

The adverts have always been there, they've only just started putting them
at the top so you can't ignore them. They used to be pasted onto the bottom
of the messages. Anyway, I had this forwarded to me:

>
> This little beauty takes the Ads out of eGroups messsages!
> Forward it on!
>
> http://www.gofree.co.uk/home/rich/trimmer/trimmer.html"
>

But I've not tried it so I don't know if it works or not.

Alan

> Thanks for posting that. The standard anniversary artwork isn't bad, but

I

> have to be honest. I'm probably going to alienate some folks here, but
> Cornelius isn't one of my favorite characters. I would sooner buy a

t-shirt

> featuring Doc Z, Ursus, Nova, or many others. I wish they would have

picked

> a more interesting character to feature so prominently on the anniversary
> stuff.
>
> Sorry if I offended any Roddy fans, I don't have anything in particular
> against him. He added to the movie, just not my favorite.
>
> Anyone else have any good sources for apes stickers or t-shirts?

My personal favorite has got to be that Evolution Shirt (what a shocker) I
see it on ebay from time to time, but I have yet to see a size medium.

Bummer!

Alex

becker0715@... wrote:

> Thanks for posting that. The standard anniversary artwork isn't bad, but I
> have to be honest. I'm probably going to alienate some folks here, but
> Cornelius isn't one of my favorite characters. I would sooner buy a t-shirt
> featuring Doc Z, Ursus, Nova, or many others. I wish they would have picked
> a more interesting character to feature so prominently on the anniversary
> stuff.

They had another t-shirt there when I got this one. It
was white and it had a series of pictures on it (gorilla's,
but no Roddy chimp!). I snoozed and losed... it's not
there anymore and I should have gotten it. Oh well.

Ebay is about the best source for things... I have the
complete set of Marvel magazines, for instance, minus
one, that I'll be running on Ebay for auction soon... and
I've bought/sold a lot of interesting POTA's stuff off of
there.

Any non-Ebay sources for t-shirts from anyone would
be appreciated, though!

Later.

90

Spielberg isn't going to direct "Jurassic Park, just produce. Joe Johnson
is directing. Spielberg is directing the sci - fi "A.I." , which was going
to be by the late Stanley Kubrick; it's Spielberg's tribute to Kubrick. In
short, it's a double Spielberg whammy that "Apes" must conquer. For the
record, Burton beat Spielberg in '89. "Batman" was the champ over "Indiana
Jones and the Last Crusade".

As for the shirt, that 30th Anniversary logo is getting old. I've seen
more creative "Apes" shirts. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Camer - run


>
> > I can almost guarantee you Cameron won't do the new "Terminators". He
> says
> > they won't give him the control he wants (see the new "Cinescape"
> magazine,
> > which covers his TV show "Dark Angel"). From what I understand, the ront
> > runner to direct is Ridley Scott, interesting since Cameron did the
sequel
> > to Scott's "Alien".
>
> Yeah, I just saw Cinescape, most likey he's holding out for more controll.
> So Ridley Scott, also director of "Gladiator" will most likely take the
> spot. Interesting how I have a Gladiator site. Perhaps it was meant to be.
> :o)
> If this new T film will be anything like the first 20 min. of Gladiator,
> this thing is going to rock!
>
> > Also, it's not going to be "Planet of the Apes" vs. "the Matrix", it's
> > going to be "Planet of the Apes" vs. "Jurassic Park 3" and "The Mummy 2"
> and
> > Spielberg"s "A.I.". Add to that the year's "Spiderman", "Harry Potter",
> > "Lord of the Rings". . . I don't know, does "Matrix" come out next
year?.
> .
> > . and it's going to be a Battle of the Franchises in 2001 for the top
> spot.
> > A blood bath! - - - Jeff Krueger
>
> Matrix 2 and 3 are being filmed at the same time and 2 will be released in
> the summer of 2001 with 3 being released later in that year. (According to
> Rumor)
> Jurassic Park 3?
> Forget the vs. part, if Spielburg is directing it, then Jurrassic is going
> to win that puppy.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

There's a store here (in Hollywood) that has a whole line of "Apes"
shirts, $15 each. A couple different "evolution" shirts, one of Aldo that
says "War Monger", on of Taylor being harrassed by gorillas during the trial
(the style reminds me of the old '70's "Star Wars" shirts), and some other
ones. Not a 30th Anniversary red in sight!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] apes stickers - T-SHIRT ARTWORK LINK


>
> > Thanks for posting that. The standard anniversary artwork isn't bad,
but
> I
> > have to be honest. I'm probably going to alienate some folks here, but
> > Cornelius isn't one of my favorite characters. I would sooner buy a
> t-shirt
> > featuring Doc Z, Ursus, Nova, or many others. I wish they would have
> picked
> > a more interesting character to feature so prominently on the
anniversary
> > stuff.
> >
> > Sorry if I offended any Roddy fans, I don't have anything in particular
> > against him. He added to the movie, just not my favorite.
> >
> > Anyone else have any good sources for apes stickers or t-shirts?
>
> My personal favorite has got to be that Evolution Shirt (what a shocker) I
> see it on ebay from time to time, but I have yet to see a size medium.
>
> Bummer!
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

>For the
> record, Burton beat Spielberg in '89. "Batman" was the champ over "Indiana
> Jones and the Last Crusade".

I believe Batman was the champ overall that year. I only hope he will do the
same for the Apes. Cinescape is expecting this to be a HUGE Burton hit.
I can't wait to see the previews on this, most likey we'll see our first
glimps of this Remake on a Super Bowl Commercial in January.
Just Like Fox did with TITAN A.E. As it was set to open in June of this
year.

Where's a time machine when you need one.

Alex

> There's a store here (in Hollywood) that has a whole line of "Apes"
> shirts, $15 each. A couple different "evolution" shirts, one of Aldo that
> says "War Monger", on of Taylor being harrassed by gorillas during the

trial

> (the style reminds me of the old '70's "Star Wars" shirts), and some other
> ones. Not a 30th Anniversary red in sight!- - - Jeff Krueger

That's it man, I'm going to California.
All we have here are Taylor rags, and there real!
Ahhhh!!!!

Oh man, you really do know how to make me suffer.

Alex

I remember that they wanted an "X Men" commercial for the Super Bowl but
then pulled it. By the way, I finally saw "X Men" today. That was a movie I
had been looking forward to because I like the director and it sounded like
they were going to put some thought into it. But when it came out it got
mixed reviews so I didn't rush to see it. Somehow, the 90 minute running
time scared me off too, like they flubbed something and had to cut stuff
out.

Well, it was pretty much what I expected. Good effects, an attempt to say
something but it felt manufactured. They had the same back breaking schedule
"Apes" will have. "X Men" shot from I think September '99 to early February;
last I heard "Apes" is scheduled for October 23 and will probably try to
finish up a little after the end of the year (Mark Wahlberg has another film
to do in January). Those kinds of schedules are crazy, there's no room for
mistakes, there's no time to finesse things. I guess the difference is
Burton has been through the event film mill before and "X Men"'s Bryan
Singer hadn't. Anyway, I wanted to like "X Men" more than I did and I
haven't heard from anyone who was bowled over by it. Partly, I had trouble
suspending my disbelief. All the different mutations were like something out
of "Star Trek, but supposedly all take place on Earth in a short time. At
least "Apes" sticks to ONE thing, talking apes. I couldn't buy that the
mutants were persecuted. They could just whoop humanity's ass. Maybe if it
was reversed, where regular humans were persecuted and some of the mutants
want to help them, I could buy it more. The production seemed rushed, it
seemed manufactured, but the director and the cast brought a certain flair
to it. A disappointment but worth a 90 minute investment. I just hope "Apes"
doesn't fall in the same trap. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Spielburden


>
> >For the
> > record, Burton beat Spielberg in '89. "Batman" was the champ over
"Indiana
> > Jones and the Last Crusade".
>
> I believe Batman was the champ overall that year. I only hope he will do
the
> same for the Apes. Cinescape is expecting this to be a HUGE Burton hit.
> I can't wait to see the previews on this, most likey we'll see our first
> glimps of this Remake on a Super Bowl Commercial in January.
> Just Like Fox did with TITAN A.E. As it was set to open in June of this
> year.
>
> Where's a time machine when you need one.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> I remember that they wanted an "X Men" commercial for the Super Bowl

but

> then pulled it. By the way, I finally saw "X Men" today. That was a movie

I

> had been looking forward to because I like the director and it sounded

like

> they were going to put some thought into it. But when it came out it got
> mixed reviews so I didn't rush to see it. Somehow, the 90 minute running
> time scared me off too, like they flubbed something and had to cut stuff
> out.

Well, it dosen't take much to put a teaser together, all you have to do is
put a picture of an ape on the screen and say, "Get ready to get your ass
kicked on July 4th".

Hey, works for me. :o)

>
> Well, it was pretty much what I expected. Good effects, an attempt to

say

> something but it felt manufactured. They had the same back breaking

schedule

> "Apes" will have. "X Men" shot from I think September '99 to early

February;

> last I heard "Apes" is scheduled for October 23 and will probably try to
> finish up a little after the end of the year (Mark Wahlberg has another

film

> to do in January). Those kinds of schedules are crazy, there's no room for
> mistakes, there's no time to finesse things. I guess the difference is
> Burton has been through the event film mill before and "X Men"'s Bryan
> Singer hadn't. Anyway, I wanted to like "X Men" more than I did and I
> haven't heard from anyone who was bowled over by it. Partly, I had trouble
> suspending my disbelief. All the different mutations were like something

out

> of "Star Trek, but supposedly all take place on Earth in a short time. At
> least "Apes" sticks to ONE thing, talking apes. I couldn't buy that the
> mutants were persecuted. They could just whoop humanity's ass. Maybe if it
> was reversed, where regular humans were persecuted and some of the mutants
> want to help them, I could buy it more. The production seemed rushed, it
> seemed manufactured, but the director and the cast brought a certain flair
> to it. A disappointment but worth a 90 minute investment. I just hope

"Apes"

> doesn't fall in the same trap. - - - Jeff Krueger

I never got to see that movie.
Thanks for the info Jeff.

Alex

I wonder how much of the apes they'll show prior to the film. This "Apes"
remake has been going on for years and awhile back I had my own idea for an
"Apes" trailer. We see an individual putting on the ape garb but we don't
see their face and assume it's human. The gloves are adjusted, boots put on,
whatever. Presumably the costumes will be different from the original and
won't give anything away. Is it "Gladiator 2", is it the latest Mel Gibson
medieval epic? Then we do a quick pan up to the face and see it's a gorilla.
. . just a few seconds. Then the title "Planet of the Apes" flashes on.
Well?

Yes, "Batman" was the top hit of it's year, as was "Batman Returns".
- - - - - Jeff
Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] X -cuse me


>
> > I remember that they wanted an "X Men" commercial for the Super Bowl
> but
> > then pulled it. By the way, I finally saw "X Men" today. That was a
movie
> I
> > had been looking forward to because I like the director and it sounded
> like
> > they were going to put some thought into it. But when it came out it got
> > mixed reviews so I didn't rush to see it. Somehow, the 90 minute running
> > time scared me off too, like they flubbed something and had to cut stuff
> > out.
>
> Well, it dosen't take much to put a teaser together, all you have to do is
> put a picture of an ape on the screen and say, "Get ready to get your ass
> kicked on July 4th".
>
> Hey, works for me. :o)
>
> >
> > Well, it was pretty much what I expected. Good effects, an attempt to
> say
> > something but it felt manufactured. They had the same back breaking
> schedule
> > "Apes" will have. "X Men" shot from I think September '99 to early
> February;
> > last I heard "Apes" is scheduled for October 23 and will probably try to
> > finish up a little after the end of the year (Mark Wahlberg has another
> film
> > to do in January). Those kinds of schedules are crazy, there's no room
for
> > mistakes, there's no time to finesse things. I guess the difference is
> > Burton has been through the event film mill before and "X Men"'s Bryan
> > Singer hadn't. Anyway, I wanted to like "X Men" more than I did and I
> > haven't heard from anyone who was bowled over by it. Partly, I had
trouble
> > suspending my disbelief. All the different mutations were like something
> out
> > of "Star Trek, but supposedly all take place on Earth in a short time.
At
> > least "Apes" sticks to ONE thing, talking apes. I couldn't buy that the
> > mutants were persecuted. They could just whoop humanity's ass. Maybe if
it
> > was reversed, where regular humans were persecuted and some of the
mutants
> > want to help them, I could buy it more. The production seemed rushed, it
> > seemed manufactured, but the director and the cast brought a certain
flair
> > to it. A disappointment but worth a 90 minute investment. I just hope
> "Apes"
> > doesn't fall in the same trap. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
> I never got to see that movie.
> Thanks for the info Jeff.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

> I wonder how much of the apes they'll show prior to the film. This

"Apes"

> remake has been going on for years and awhile back I had my own idea for

an

> "Apes" trailer. We see an individual putting on the ape garb but we don't
> see their face and assume it's human. The gloves are adjusted, boots put

on,

> whatever. Presumably the costumes will be different from the original and
> won't give anything away. Is it "Gladiator 2", is it the latest Mel Gibson
> medieval epic? Then we do a quick pan up to the face and see it's a

gorilla.

> . . just a few seconds. Then the title "Planet of the Apes" flashes on.
> Well?

I only hope they would do something, after all the the Super Bowl is the
biggest T.V. event in America and it would be foolish for Fox to let this
slip by.

Alex

Alex - -

I was impressed with your "remake countdown" on your site. "Planet of the
Apes" doesn't really strike me as 4rth of July fare but I assumed it
wouldn't open exactly on the 4rth (in the U.S. , where it will open first,
movies usually open on Friday or sometimes Wednesday). Well, low and behold,
July 4rth falls on a Wednesday next year. It COULD open on July 4rth. If so
I think a good ad ploy would be to play up the Statue of LIberty. Even if
it's not in the new film it's still an "Apes" icon and even young folk are
familiar with it through the 30th Anniversary hype. July 4rth was the day
the Statue of Liberty was presented to the U.S. (like "Planet of the Apes",
it was given to us by the French). Fox, give me a call. I've just figured
out your marketing strategy!- - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Trailer Trash


>
> > I wonder how much of the apes they'll show prior to the film. This
> "Apes"
> > remake has been going on for years and awhile back I had my own idea for
> an
> > "Apes" trailer. We see an individual putting on the ape garb but we
don't
> > see their face and assume it's human. The gloves are adjusted, boots put
> on,
> > whatever. Presumably the costumes will be different from the original
and
> > won't give anything away. Is it "Gladiator 2", is it the latest Mel
Gibson
> > medieval epic? Then we do a quick pan up to the face and see it's a
> gorilla.
> > . . just a few seconds. Then the title "Planet of the Apes" flashes on.
> > Well?
>
> I only hope they would do something, after all the the Super Bowl is the
> biggest T.V. event in America and it would be foolish for Fox to let this
> slip by.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 09/03/2000 9:55:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

> There's a store here (in Hollywood) that has a whole line of "Apes"
> shirts, $15 each. A couple different "evolution" shirts, one of Aldo that
> says "War Monger", on of Taylor being harrassed by gorillas during the

trial

> (the style reminds me of the old '70's "Star Wars" shirts), and some other
> ones. Not a 30th Anniversary red in sight!- - - Jeff Krueger

What is the name/phone number/web address? of this store?

> Alex - -
>
> I was impressed with your "remake countdown" on your site. "Planet of

the

> Apes" doesn't really strike me as 4rth of July fare but I assumed it
> wouldn't open exactly on the 4rth (in the U.S. , where it will open first,
> movies usually open on Friday or sometimes Wednesday). Well, low and

behold,

> July 4rth falls on a Wednesday next year. It COULD open on July 4rth. If

so

> I think a good ad ploy would be to play up the Statue of LIberty. Even if
> it's not in the new film it's still an "Apes" icon and even young folk are
> familiar with it through the 30th Anniversary hype. July 4rth was the day
> the Statue of Liberty was presented to the U.S. (like "Planet of the

Apes",

> it was given to us by the French). Fox, give me a call. I've just figured
> out your marketing strategy!- - - Jeff Krueger

Wow! I like that idea. (What a shocker!)
I'll have to think of a good intro leading to the Statue of Liberty.
Perhaps Zaius tied to the rock talking about the forbidden zone or maybe
Taylor giving his speech in the ship. "does man still make war against his
brother?"

The whole idea of Alpha -n- Omega was to create a sort of anti-nuclear war
message. And with the intro of the Statue I can in turn still use it towards
the same effect. So that's cool.

As for the 4rth, I was aware of that but I wasn't going to make the
ajustments until we got closer to the release date. But if the 4rth does
fall on a Wednesday then as you said no ajustments have to be made. Although
I will make the ajustment of leading the countdown to the very minute of the
first showing on the U.S. eastcoast.

Alex

.html <.html

I just bought one from an Urban Outfitters w/Taylor
and Zera kissing on the front and it sez, "Animal
Lover." It's not really a promotional POTA shirt but
still kind of cool. Anyone interested in seeing this?
I can put a photo of it online and/or perhaps purchase
a few for trade or something.


=====
�������
dpiercy

Hey Alex - -

How long is the D and M interview with Brian? I want to tape it and make
sure I have enough tape. (it comes on here at 1PM West Coast
time). - - -Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: [pota] X -cuse me


>
> I remember that they wanted an "X Men" commercial for the Super Bowl
but
> then pulled it. By the way, I finally saw "X Men" today. That was a movie
I
> had been looking forward to because I like the director and it sounded
like
> they were going to put some thought into it. But when it came out it got
> mixed reviews so I didn't rush to see it. Somehow, the 90 minute running
> time scared me off too, like they flubbed something and had to cut stuff
> out.
>
> Well, it was pretty much what I expected. Good effects, an attempt to
say
> something but it felt manufactured. They had the same back breaking
schedule
> "Apes" will have. "X Men" shot from I think September '99 to early
February;
> last I heard "Apes" is scheduled for October 23 and will probably try to
> finish up a little after the end of the year (Mark Wahlberg has another
film
> to do in January). Those kinds of schedules are crazy, there's no room for
> mistakes, there's no time to finesse things. I guess the difference is
> Burton has been through the event film mill before and "X Men"'s Bryan
> Singer hadn't. Anyway, I wanted to like "X Men" more than I did and I
> haven't heard from anyone who was bowled over by it. Partly, I had trouble
> suspending my disbelief. All the different mutations were like something
out
> of "Star Trek, but supposedly all take place on Earth in a short time. At
> least "Apes" sticks to ONE thing, talking apes. I couldn't buy that the
> mutants were persecuted. They could just whoop humanity's ass. Maybe if it
> was reversed, where regular humans were persecuted and some of the mutants
> want to help them, I could buy it more. The production seemed rushed, it
> seemed manufactured, but the director and the cast brought a certain flair
> to it. A disappointment but worth a 90 minute investment. I just hope
"Apes"
> doesn't fall in the same trap. - - - Jeff Krueger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Spielburden
>
>
> >
> > >For the
> > > record, Burton beat Spielberg in '89. "Batman" was the champ over
> "Indiana
> > > Jones and the Last Crusade".
> >
> > I believe Batman was the champ overall that year. I only hope he will do
> the
> > same for the Apes. Cinescape is expecting this to be a HUGE Burton hit.
> > I can't wait to see the previews on this, most likey we'll see our first
> > glimps of this Remake on a Super Bowl Commercial in January.
> > Just Like Fox did with TITAN A.E. As it was set to open in June of this
> > year.
> >
> > Where's a time machine when you need one.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

P.S.: At what point does Brian come in on the show?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:15 AM
Subject: [pota] Lengthy discussion


>
> Hey Alex - -
>
> How long is the D and M interview with Brian? I want to tape it and make
> sure I have enough tape. (it comes on here at 1PM West Coast
> time). - - -Jeff Krueger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:30 PM
> Subject: [pota] X -cuse me
>
>
> >
> > I remember that they wanted an "X Men" commercial for the Super Bowl
> but
> > then pulled it. By the way, I finally saw "X Men" today. That was a
movie
> I
> > had been looking forward to because I like the director and it sounded
> like
> > they were going to put some thought into it. But when it came out it got
> > mixed reviews so I didn't rush to see it. Somehow, the 90 minute running
> > time scared me off too, like they flubbed something and had to cut stuff
> > out.
> >
> > Well, it was pretty much what I expected. Good effects, an attempt to
> say
> > something but it felt manufactured. They had the same back breaking
> schedule
> > "Apes" will have. "X Men" shot from I think September '99 to early
> February;
> > last I heard "Apes" is scheduled for October 23 and will probably try to
> > finish up a little after the end of the year (Mark Wahlberg has another
> film
> > to do in January). Those kinds of schedules are crazy, there's no room
for
> > mistakes, there's no time to finesse things. I guess the difference is
> > Burton has been through the event film mill before and "X Men"'s Bryan
> > Singer hadn't. Anyway, I wanted to like "X Men" more than I did and I
> > haven't heard from anyone who was bowled over by it. Partly, I had
trouble
> > suspending my disbelief. All the different mutations were like something
> out
> > of "Star Trek, but supposedly all take place on Earth in a short time.
At
> > least "Apes" sticks to ONE thing, talking apes. I couldn't buy that the
> > mutants were persecuted. They could just whoop humanity's ass. Maybe if
it
> > was reversed, where regular humans were persecuted and some of the
mutants
> > want to help them, I could buy it more. The production seemed rushed, it
> > seemed manufactured, but the director and the cast brought a certain
flair
> > to it. A disappointment but worth a 90 minute investment. I just hope
> "Apes"
> > doesn't fall in the same trap. - - - Jeff Krueger
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
> > To: <pota@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Spielburden
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >For the
> > > > record, Burton beat Spielberg in '89. "Batman" was the champ over
> > "Indiana
> > > > Jones and the Last Crusade".
> > >
> > > I believe Batman was the champ overall that year. I only hope he will
do
> > the
> > > same for the Apes. Cinescape is expecting this to be a HUGE Burton
hit.
> > > I can't wait to see the previews on this, most likey we'll see our
first
> > > glimps of this Remake on a Super Bowl Commercial in January.
> > > Just Like Fox did with TITAN A.E. As it was set to open in June of
this
> > > year.
> > >
> > > Where's a time machine when you need one.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

> Hey Alex - -
>
> How long is the D and M interview with Brian? I want to tape it and make
> sure I have enough tape. (it comes on here at 1PM West Coast
> time). - - -Jeff Krueger

Brian is on for aboat 10 to 15 minutes talking about the makeups of Austin
Powers, and a couple of other films, showing how the work is done. Then two
people come out already in full makeup that Brian has been preparing
throughout the show.

So Brian is on for about 10 to 15 minutes with clips of him backstage
through out the show making up these two people.
One is Dr. Zaius (Yeah Baby!) and the other is one from the movie Galaxy
Quest.

So I would advise you to tape the whole show, because they take small clips
from time to time to see how Brian is doing before his appearance on the
show.

Great Show.

Alex

<becker0715@...> wrote:

>Thanks for posting that. The standard anniversary artwork isn't bad, but I
>have to be honest. I'm probably going to alienate some folks here, but
>Cornelius isn't one of my favorite characters. I would sooner buy a

t-shirt

>featuring Doc Z, Ursus, Nova, or many others. I wish they would have

picked

>a more interesting character to feature so prominently on the anniversary
>stuff.
>
>Sorry if I offended any Roddy fans, I don't have anything in particular
>against him. He added to the movie, just not my favorite.

I actually agree with you to some extent. As far as Roddy goes, I think
Caesar was a far more interesting character than Cornelius. I also wish
they'd made less of Cornelius on the anniversary artwork and more of an
ensemble thang.

Alan

.html  

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

  Hey Brian,Just saw you on the Donnie and Marie Show.Very Cool. I had no idea you were involved with the Austin Powers Film. Great job. Alex

Thanx Al,

Yeah, one of those all too common "whoopsies" by the Producers, forgetting to give proper credit where credit is due (re: AP2).  We made the make-up department head look pretty darn good.  Would've been nice to have been acknowledged.  My crew and I still cringe everytime we see a poster or one of those damn toys!

I haven't seen our  DONNIE AND MARIE  show yet.  It was pre-empted here in Leesburg by the Jerry Lewis Telethon.  Hopefully they left all the good stuff in.

Brian
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   

<.html

.html

I haven't seen our  DONNIE AND MARIE  show yet.  It was pre-empted here in Leesburg by the Jerry Lewis Telethon.  Hopefully they left all the good stuff in.

Well, let me know if you ever get to see it, and if you don't let me know and I'll make you a copy.

Later, and have fun in Leesburg.

Alex

<.html

Greetings to you all.

This is my first posting to this egroup and I was wondering if
you all could help me with a couple of things...

1) I am looking to begin a scratchbuilding (modeling) project and I
was wondering if there were any "plans" or blueprints
for the spaceship that Col. Taylor landed in on the first episode.
Any help would be appreciated.

2) I have seen the superb "Icarus" webpage and found it to be
an incredible resource of information. Have any of you
heard of the final disposition of the full scale ship?
I would hate to think that it was simply "chopped for scrap".

3) There are people out there who when looking at a masterpiece
only see the flaws. We all owe the Producers and Directors a
debt of gratitude each time we watch POTA. (Not to mention
the actors who probably felt that they were taking one heck of
a gamble not being laughed right out of a career.) I for one
think that the entire world of Science Fiction would be a much
thinner and less realistic genre if it wasn't for POTA.

4) Lastly, on a personal note... POTA was the first movie that I can
remember seeing. Period. It was at a drive in with my mom and dad
and I fell asleep until the scene with the scarecrows (when the music
increases) and I can still remember my mom saying "I think I saw one
of the apes" right before we get the full face shot of the hunt leader
in the cornfield. I collected in the mid 1970's all of the puzzles
and figurines, and I still have them and the box game. Everyone else
would soon begin to crave "Star Wars" and the "Star Trek" movies, but
POTA will always have a spot in my heart.


Peace and Friendship

Larry Montgomery

>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] apes stickers - T-SHIRT ARTWORK LINK
>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:04:38 +0100
>
><becker0715@...> wrote:
> >Thanks for posting that. The standard anniversary artwork isn't bad, but
>I
> >have to be honest. I'm probably going to alienate some folks here, but
> >Cornelius isn't one of my favorite characters. I would sooner buy a
>t-shirt
> >featuring Doc Z, Ursus, Nova, or many others. I wish they would have
>picked
> >a more interesting character to feature so prominently on the anniversary
> >stuff.
> >
> >Sorry if I offended any Roddy fans, I don't have anything in particular
> >against him. He added to the movie, just not my favorite.
>
>
>I actually agree with you to some extent. As far as Roddy goes, I think
>Caesar was a far more interesting character than Cornelius. I also wish
>they'd made less of Cornelius on the anniversary artwork and more of an
>ensemble thang.
>
>Alan
>
>

_____________

In a message dated 09/04/2000 8:50:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< I haven't seen our DONNIE AND MARIE show yet. It was pre-empted here
in Leesburg by the Jerry Lewis Telethon. >>

It was pre-empted here by the U.S. Open here.

> << I haven't seen our DONNIE AND MARIE show yet. It was pre-empted

here

> in Leesburg by the Jerry Lewis Telethon. >>
>
> It was pre-empted here by the U.S. Open here.

Holy Moly, sounds like a virus to me.
Perhaps living in south Florida is not so bad after all.

Alex

Not living here. Just working on a new "film".

B

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> > << I haven't seen our DONNIE AND MARIE show yet. It was pre-empted
> here
> > in Leesburg by the Jerry Lewis Telethon. >>
> >
> > It was pre-empted here by the U.S. Open here.
>
> Holy Moly, sounds like a virus to me.
> Perhaps living in south Florida is not so bad after all.
>
> Alex

> Not living here. Just working on a new "film".
>
> B

Cool, if you can't get a hold of the broadcast I'll mail you a copy to
apemaina.

Alex

Welcome to the list, Larry!

From another, "oldie" newby!

Jim Burns

Hey! I'm a new fan to the POTA and got into it after getting the dvd set that
came out a week or so ago. I've watched all but the last one and can't wait
to see how it ends. I also am waiting on the complete tv and cartoon series'
and those should arrive soon. I collect autographs and saw that Kim Hunter is
or was signing autographs through the mail. Does anyone know for sure that
she or any of the other actors sign through the mail? I have just one
question about the movies though... the date I keep finding out is different
in each one set in the future. The first one I think took place in 3978 then
the next one took place in 3955 or something and I read the tv show and
cartoons both take place at different times. Does anyone know why? Anyway, I
can't wait to hear from all of you on my new favorite movies!

Loc

In a message dated 09/04/2000 11:11:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
danpiercy@... writes:

<< I just bought one from an Urban Outfitters w/Taylor
and Zera kissing on the front and it sez, "Animal
Lover." It's not really a promotional POTA shirt but
still kind of cool. Anyone interested in seeing this?
I can put a photo of it online and/or perhaps purchase
a few for trade or something. >>

Cool, how do I get mine?

In a message dated 09/06/2000 1:07:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

<< Kim Hunter is
or was signing autographs through the mail. Does anyone know for sure that
she or any of the other actors sign through the mail? >>

Yes, she does.
Proper autograph protocol dictates that you only send a couple things for her
to sign at a time, and include a self-addressed, stamped envelope with proper
postage.

Hi Loc,

Welcome to the group.

In reality, the inconsistencies occurred due to poor attention to fine
detail (there was a lot of this about before everything was able to be
scrutinised from a lounge chair in pause/slow motion!!!). A lot of people
try to explain possible reasons and I appreciate this, but just put it down
to the era and don't get too caught up in the details.

I guess it is kind of like asking why the villain does not simply shoot Mr
Bond in the head when the opportunity arises (I think Seth Green asked Dr
Evil a similar question....).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: locutusatwolf359@... [locutusatwolf359@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2000 16:06
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Hi Everyone!


Hey! I'm a new fan to the POTA and got into it after getting the dvd set
that
came out a week or so ago. I've watched all but the last one and can't wait
to see how it ends. I also am waiting on the complete tv and cartoon series'
and those should arrive soon. I collect autographs and saw that Kim Hunter
is
or was signing autographs through the mail. Does anyone know for sure that
she or any of the other actors sign through the mail? I have just one
question about the movies though... the date I keep finding out is different
in each one set in the future. The first one I think took place in 3978 then
the next one took place in 3955 or something and I read the tv show and
cartoons both take place at different times. Does anyone know why? Anyway, I
can't wait to hear from all of you on my new favorite movies!

Loc

--- In pota@egroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> Cool, how do I get mine?

me:

lemme go see if they have any left and I'll get back to ya.

I just got the Beneath soundtrack cd and it is a real treat. I love
the dialog bits at the end man it is awesome. The music is great too.
Thanks to who posted the URL to purchase!

A few things I've been thinking about, noticing, etc.:

o A few days ago, someone asked about one of the characters
commenting that Dodge ended up in the museum because of his
skin color. I don't know if that was ever included in any
movie, but it is in the novelization of ESCAPE. It's one of
the statements Zira makes while under the sodium pentathol
(and it really pisses off the black senator on the president's
commission).

o The DVD set is nice, though, as Alex and others noted, nothing
like a real special edition like the T2 DVD, which is incredible.
I'm irritated by the willy-nilly flip-flopping of images on the
DVD (someone mentioned the Statue of Liberty scene, but there
are lots of others too, including the family portrait on the
ESCAPE DVD).

o I've been rereading the novelizations of the films. The BENEATH
novelization was pretty close to the filmed version, but ESCAPE
is very different. Does anyone know the story behind the differences
between the novelization by Jerry Pournelle and the final script?
Was the original script for the movie just like the novelization, or
did Pournelle take great liberties with the story? The plot is
more or less the same, but the dialogue and details are vastly
different in most of the scenes.

It's interesting to see two different takes on the same story.

o All of this talk of buying the DVDs, etc., has brought back my
'70s memories of all things Apes. Today's youths take VCRs for
granted. Back when the Apes films first came out, if you wanted
to see the movie again after it left theaters (or the first time,
if you lived somewhere where the movie never played), you had to
read the novelizations. That was how you watched movies over and
over---you read the novelization over and over. And when Marvel
did the comic adaptations, they were popular because it gave you
a chance to "watch" the movie again (or as close as the
adaptation would allow). When the movies started showing up on
TV, it often meant staying up late to watch them---you certainly
couldn't tape them and watch them whenever.

This is not a "things were better then" rant. I'm just making
an observation about why novelizations and comic adaptations were
so important to Apes fans 25 and 30 years ago.

o I have the Cornelius and Ursus TOYS 'R' US Apes model reissues
(sitting next to my original Cornelius). Finding a box that
hadn't been crushed was virtually impossible, and TOYS 'R' US
doesn't list them on their web site. 8-( Someone once posted
here that the Zira and Zaius (?) models were supposed to come
out in October? Does anyone know if that's still the plan?

I guess that's it for now....

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@...> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

Hello everyone...Great news for anyone living in the PA-Nj area...In
Phoenixville PA..They are showing the original "Planet Of the Apes" at the
Colonial Theatre. It is only about 40 minutes west of Philadelphia. It's
Friday, September 29 @11:30. For more info, go to www.thecolonialtheatre.com.
Hope to see a great turn out.
Thanks Rob
P.S. I have a copy of the flyer if anyone want to see it, I will E-mail it
to you..The only reason I'm not attaching it was taking 12 to transfer file.

YES!!I definately want to see it!! I'm heading over to our local T-shirt
place where I've gotten my other Apes shirts just to look for the new ones.
*Lynne*

>From: Dan Piercy <danpiercy@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] apes shirt
>Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I just bought one from an Urban Outfitters w/Taylor
>and Zera kissing on the front and it sez, "Animal
>Lover." It's not really a promotional POTA shirt but
>still kind of cool. Anyone interested in seeing this?
>I can put a photo of it online and/or perhaps purchase
>a few for trade or something.
>
>
>=====
>�������
>dpiercy
>
>

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Lynne Miller" <cosmicraye@h...> wrote:

> YES!!I definately want to see it!! I'm heading over to our local T-

shirt

> place where I've gotten my other Apes shirts just to look for the

new ones.

me:

okey dokey, I'll take a picture of the shirt with my digital camera
tomorrow and put it online for folks to view.

Hey did I plug the FSM Beneath soundtrack today??? ;) It's *really*
awesome.

Jim,

Thank you for the welcome! It sure is great to hear the enthusiasm
out there for these insightful movies. I always find it
disturbing when I ask people if they have seen any of the movies
and I hear "Nope - never seen it" or even worse "I thought it was stupid".
I can't wait to get a DVD player to get the entire set.
My copies of the movies are nearly worn out by lending them to people who
have never seen the movie before. They usually react quite
positively.

Now for something completely different....

Has ANYONE heard of a printed set of Lawgiver scrolls? I think it
might be interesting to see or even look at. Just a long shot.

Ta Ta

Larry

>From: jameshburns@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 149
>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:53:22 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>Welcome to the list, Larry!
>
>From another, "oldie" newby!
>
>Jim Burns
>

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In a message dated 9/6/0 2:24:43 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< Has ANYONE heard of a printed set of Lawgiver scrolls? I think it
might be interesting to see or even look at. Just a long shot. >>

Jesus god.

The post in regard to the "Escape" novelization sort of shocked me -- Jerry
Pournelle wrote it?? He's sort of a "real" sci-fi novelist. Only read one
of the things he did with Larry Niven, "Inferno", and it was pretty good
(retelling of Dante's "Inferno"....sci-fi writer gets drunk and falls out of
a window during a con).

I'm sort of interested in reading the dumb thing now.

<locutusatwolf359@...> wrote:

>Hey! I'm a new fan to the POTA and got into it after getting the dvd set

that

>came out a week or so ago. I've watched all but the last one and can't wait
>to see how it ends.

Don't want to spoil it for you, but - remember the spaceship crash at the
start of the first film? Turns out Taylor was dead all along. No wait, I'm
getting it confused...

>The first one I think took place in 3978 then
>the next one took place in 3955 or something and I read the tv show and
>cartoons both take place at different times. Does anyone know why? Anyway,

I

>can't wait to hear from all of you on my new favorite movies!

There is no explanation other than error on the part of the film-makers. I'm
sure there are any number of explanations suggested by fans, but I'd suggest
a trawl through the list archives rather than drag them all up again!

Alan

In a message dated 09/06/2000 5:35:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< >The first one I think took place in 3978 then

>the next one took place in 3955 or something and I read the tv show and
>cartoons both take place at different times. Does anyone know why? Anyway,

I

>can't wait to hear from all of you on my new favorite movies! >>

The tires were over inflated so they got a false reading on the timeometer.
It could have been worse, they could have been Firestone tires, like on
Brent's ship.

In a message dated 09/06/2000 9:11:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
danpiercy@... writes:

<< I just got the Beneath soundtrack cd and it is a real treat. I love
the dialog bits at the end man it is awesome. The music is great too.
Thanks to who posted the URL to purchase! >>

WHAT'S THAT URL AGAIN?