Just posted another POTA-related magazine on eBay and wanted to let
you all know. It is Famous Monsters of Filmland, #80, Oct., 1970
issue. The cover and cover story is "Beneath the Planet of the Apes:
Exciting Sequel". If anyone is interested, go to
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=445321708 . I
initially posted to this group for another lot of POTA stuff, but
I've really being enjoying the discussion here...this is a LIVELY
group!

--- In pota@egroups.com, "David Ross" <dcross0201@s...> wrote:

> Just posted another POTA-related magazine on eBay and wanted to let
> you all know. It is Famous Monsters of Filmland, #80, Oct., 1970
> issue.

Easily one of the coolest FM covers out there ...
pretty righteous. :-)

RPB
polyholiday.com/century

In a message dated 9/22/00 5:22:11 PM, bassler@... writes:

<< It is Famous Monsters of Filmland, #80, Oct., 1970

> issue. >>

Which cover would that be? I had the original issue that had the Gorillas
sitting in council from Beneath the Planet of the Apes. I wish I still had
that and my All Apes issue of The Monster Times.

.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:51 PM
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Another Magazine Available

In a message dated 9/22/00 5:22:11 PM, bassler@... writes:

<<  It is Famous Monsters of Filmland, #80, Oct., 1970
> issue. >>

Which cover would that be? I had the original issue that had the Gorillas
sitting in council from Beneath the Planet of the Apes. I wish I still had
that and my All Apes issue of The Monster Times.

<.html

>I believe that we are missing the point.....

Should be the motto of the list.

>Unfortunately, the movie industry is no longer spawning the talent that
>they were in the past. It is a more "touchy feely" kind of world where
>to be a real man is despised. Now people want to "feel your pain", or
>they want you to "feel their pain". Its a madhouse indeed.

See Fight Club. Immediately.

>I believe that when the executives use the words "Teen Friendly" it is
>really a smoke screen for the letters P.C.

It am a conspiracy.

>Lastly, I must admit that I have never seen the remake of "Night of the
>living dead". It sounds like a stinko movie.

The remake was a beautiful and reverent creation compared to the "special
edition" we're talking about. One of the original creators cut out 15
minutes from NIGHT, added 15 minutes of new footage, and replaced the score
with a cat walking across a piano. Escape from LA was easier to sit through.

_____________

In a message dated 9/22/00 7:06:51 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< The remake was a beautiful and reverent creation >>

I liked the 1990 remake because it wasn't an exact remake. I would have liked
more gore though.

<< One of the original creators cut out 15
minutes from NIGHT, added 15 minutes of new footage, and replaced the score
with a cat walking across a piano. >>

Never saw that one . . . Good thing too. Sounds lame. I wonder if the
re-release of The Exorcist will be worth seeing. They didn't even add 15
mins. Ten or eleven I believe. It supposed to be more faithful to the book,
but I can't see even going to a matinee for ten extra minutes. It'd have to
be a very exciting 10 minutes!

Hey Alex,

I can't access any of the mp3 stuff you are sending to the POTA site, they
are not coming up as a link. Is it me, or what?
*Lynne*

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] MP3 CONQUEST
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:49:33 -0400
>
>Here's another rough cut: Conquest
>www.prophecysite.com/conquest-mix.mp3
>
>All that I plan to make for the CD will all be extended versions while the
>small cuts like this on the site.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Alex
>

_____________

Hey Alex,

I can't access any of the mp3 stuff you are sending to the POTA site, they
are not coming up as a link. Is it me, or what?
*Lynne*

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] MP3 CONQUEST
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:49:33 -0400
>
>Here's another rough cut: Conquest
>www.prophecysite.com/conquest-mix.mp3
>
>All that I plan to make for the CD will all be extended versions while the
>small cuts like this on the site.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Alex
>

_____________

> Hey Alex,
>
> I can't access any of the mp3 stuff you are sending to the POTA site, they
> are not coming up as a link. Is it me, or what?
> *Lynne*

Those links have changed.
The new links are now posted on the site, there's now a total of 7 POTA
mp3's. here's the latest. www.prophecysite.com/ursus-march.mp3

Alex

Hello, everyone. I just joined the group now, having found this great
message board just last night. For the record, I am 32 years old and
I have been a Planet of the Apes fan ever since I can remember seeing
Battle at the drive in with my folks when I was just a little kid. I
read all I can about Apes, have all the films, etc., etc., and I must
say, it's fantastic to find a cool site like this to discuss thing
with other fans. I will try to keep my posts interesting, hopefully
informative, and in good taste. I have been on boards that have
deteriorated into name calling, etc., and I don't go for that stuff,
it's pointless. Anyway, I don't have anything really to ramble on
about, so let me just say hello, and it's nice to be here. Oh, one
thing though, after seeing most modern "Science Fiction" movies, I
have serious reservations about the remake. Does anyone else? Cheers!

Pete H.

In a message dated 9/23/00 2:21:11 PM, pasta@... writes:

<< I
have serious reservations about the remake. Does anyone else? >>

Yes. I do. Even though my posts about it have raised some negative responses,
I'm going to be honest. I'm not just going to run out and see anything just
because it says Planet of the Apes on it. I want quality for my money, not
just SFX and outrageous BS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... <Mithril1960@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

>
>
>In a message dated 9/23/00 2:21:11 PM, pasta@... writes:
>
><< I
>have serious reservations about the remake. Does anyone else? >>
>
>Yes. I do. Even though my posts about it have raised some negative

responses,

>I'm going to be honest. I'm not just going to run out and see anything just
>because it says Planet of the Apes on it. I want quality for my money, not
>just SFX and outrageous BS.
>
>
>

I agree to a certain extent. I will probably go see the remake no matter
what, I just hope it's well done. But I am not holding my hopes too high
having seen many bad new sci fi films and remakes.
pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... <Mithril1960@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

>
>
>In a message dated 9/23/00 2:21:11 PM, pasta@... writes:
>
><< I
>have serious reservations about the remake. Does anyone else? >>
>
>Yes. I do. Even though my posts about it have raised some negative

responses,

>I'm going to be honest. I'm not just going to run out and see anything just
>because it says Planet of the Apes on it. I want quality for my money, not
>just SFX and outrageous BS.
>
>
>

Here's a "POTA" gag from a new "Simpsons" comic book on sale now:

http://members.aol.com/ericinsert/simpsons.jpg

In a message dated 09/23/2000 1:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
pasta@... writes:

<< I will try to keep my posts interesting, hopefully
informative, and in good taste. >>

Hi Guy!

Don't worry too much about being tasteful, just keep it interesting. I had a
knock down drag-out, with Alex I believe -- he'll correct me if I'm wrong --
about the infamous love scene in the new film. He wrote me afterwards, to
say it was all in the spirit of good-natured discussion--sorry if I'm giving
away a secret -- and I must say the were some of the most lively and
interesting posts I ever been involved in or scene on any group. I've been
trying to get that thread going again, but I guess we've covered every
tangent on that one. Sorry you missed it! Have fun, and fro the record, I
like SFX and outrageous BS. I just hope there's a story in there somewhere
too.

> Hi Guy!
>
> Don't worry too much about being tasteful, just keep it interesting. I

had a

> knock down drag-out, with Alex I believe -- he'll correct me if I'm

wrong --

> about the infamous love scene in the new film.

I believe everyone got into that one.
All in the spirit of fun. :o)

Alex

Thanks for the email. I have received four others from board folks, a very
nice reception. I will have to go back to the board and read all the posts
on the new film, I have barely read about 10 or 20 posts of the 2500+. A lot
of catching up to do, I guess. Anyway, I will probably go see the new movie
next year being such a diehard fan, I just hope I am not disappointed. Have
a great week, and cheers!

Pete Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

>
>In a message dated 09/23/2000 1:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
>pasta@... writes:
>
><< I will try to keep my posts interesting, hopefully
> informative, and in good taste. >>
>
> Hi Guy!
>
>Don't worry too much about being tasteful, just keep it interesting. I had

a

>knock down drag-out, with Alex I believe -- he'll correct me if I'm

wrong --

>about the infamous love scene in the new film. He wrote me afterwards, to
>say it was all in the spirit of good-natured discussion--sorry if I'm

giving

>away a secret -- and I must say the were some of the most lively and
>interesting posts I ever been involved in or scene on any group. I've been
>trying to get that thread going again, but I guess we've covered every
>tangent on that one. Sorry you missed it! Have fun, and fro the record, I
>like SFX and outrageous BS. I just hope there's a story in there somewhere
>too.
>
>
>

Mr Ruiz
Thanks for the email. I have been to your PotA site several times, and
it is by far the BEST on the net. Please keep up the great work, and I'll be
seeing you on the board, I guess. Feel free to email me, have a great week,
and cheers!

Pete H
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

>
>> Hi Guy!
>>
>> Don't worry too much about being tasteful, just keep it interesting. I
>had a
>> knock down drag-out, with Alex I believe -- he'll correct me if I'm
>wrong --
>> about the infamous love scene in the new film.
>
>I believe everyone got into that one.
>All in the spirit of fun. :o)
>
>Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hmm... Points well taken.

I have never seen "fight club" but I saw the trailers for it on TV.
For some reason it never really grabbed me.

Back to POTA stuff... I think that I will probably go and see the
new POTA if for only curiosity sake alone. If the movie is a
bomb, it will be a real shame. We've all heard the saying that
its easier to destroy than create and it seems that the thing that
Tim Burton will be destroying will be the viability of any POTA
vehicles in the future.

For some reason, I have an image of Tim in front of Dr. Zaius in his
office trying to explain why he soiled the reputation of good apes
everywhere! ;)

Dr. Z. "Even through your lies some truth slips through"
Tim. "What do you mean?"
Dr. Z. "You claim to be a director of "fine film" but you create
this claptrap which claims to be a remake..."
Tim. "What about it?"
Dr. Z. "A Remake?!? Only in your own mind!!!"
Tim. "This whole thing is insane! What have I done???"
Dr. Z. "...Your a nuisance! A walking pestilence!!!..."

You all get the idea

>From: "Philip Nobile" <soylentphil@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] (unknown)
>Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:42:49 EDT
>
>
> >I believe that we are missing the point.....
>
>Should be the motto of the list.
>
> >Unfortunately, the movie industry is no longer spawning the talent that
> >they were in the past. It is a more "touchy feely" kind of world where
> >to be a real man is despised. Now people want to "feel your pain", or
> >they want you to "feel their pain". Its a madhouse indeed.
>
>See Fight Club. Immediately.
>
> >I believe that when the executives use the words "Teen Friendly" it is
> >really a smoke screen for the letters P.C.
>
>It am a conspiracy.
>
> >Lastly, I must admit that I have never seen the remake of "Night of the
> >living dead". It sounds like a stinko movie.
>
>The remake was a beautiful and reverent creation compared to the "special
>edition" we're talking about. One of the original creators cut out 15
>minutes from NIGHT, added 15 minutes of new footage, and replaced the score
>with a cat walking across a piano. Escape from LA was easier to sit
>through.
>
>_____________

_____________

<<Dr. Z. "Even through your lies some truth slips through"
Tim. "What do you mean?"
Dr. Z. "You claim to be a director of "fine film" but you create
this claptrap which claims to be a remake..."
Tim. "What about it?"
Dr. Z. "A Remake?!? Only in your own mind!!!"
Tim. "This whole thing is insane! What have I done???"
Dr. Z. "...Your a nuisance! A walking pestilence!!!..."

You all get the idea>>


That's so funny! I can hear Maurice Evans say those exact words. I was really
looking forward to this movie but now you all have me skeptical. And you're
right, most remakes I have seen have been horrible. I actually "paid" to see
Psycho. But I will see the new one for sure... I just hope it's good. Also,
does anyone know anything about the POTA video game coming out for
Playstation? I saw the previews to it on the apes dvd and have seen some cgi
art of the characters and it looks like it will be good. I think it's coming
out in 2001 also.


Loc

How about this...

The beach scene... Where Taylor ties up Dr. Zaius, except...

Taylor: "Hand me that rope"
(he now ties up Tim B.)
Tim: Wincing in pain and agony
Zira: "Taylor! Don't treat him like that!"
Taylor: "Why not?"
Zira: "It's humiliating!"
Taylor: "The way I was humiliated?!?...By Tim over there?!?...
He made me have sex with a Chimp!!!!!"
Cornelius: "That was diferent, we thought he was a great film maker."
Taylor: "Now you know better...."

Hmm... The posibilities are nearly endless... :)

>From: locutusatwolf359@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] (unknown)
>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:04:12 EDT
>
><<Dr. Z. "Even through your lies some truth slips through"
>Tim. "What do you mean?"
>Dr. Z. "You claim to be a director of "fine film" but you create
> this claptrap which claims to be a remake..."
>Tim. "What about it?"
>Dr. Z. "A Remake?!? Only in your own mind!!!"
>Tim. "This whole thing is insane! What have I done???"
>Dr. Z. "...Your a nuisance! A walking pestilence!!!..."
>
>You all get the idea>>
>
>
>That's so funny! I can hear Maurice Evans say those exact words. I was
>really
>looking forward to this movie but now you all have me skeptical. And you're
>right, most remakes I have seen have been horrible. I actually "paid" to
>see
>Psycho. But I will see the new one for sure... I just hope it's good. Also,
>does anyone know anything about the POTA video game coming out for
>Playstation? I saw the previews to it on the apes dvd and have seen some
>cgi
>art of the characters and it looks like it will be good. I think it's
>coming
>out in 2001 also.
>
>
>Loc

_____________

hello dear fans,

just dropping by, in my occasional ventures near the computer.

The remake rumbles on I see....

I might go and see it. The trouble is by the time I've paid for my ticket,
the dirty stinking producers will have made their monry outta me. Oh well...

Novel: have prodded it again recently, now 1/3 through 3rd draft. I have
made some small changes. It's now going as a literary novel, as my reviwer
thinks I'll get further.

I liked the remake sketches. There ought to be a gallery of them somewhere.

If the film's good it'll be parodied everywhere. If not, then Burton's film
will be a parody.

M

In a message dated 09/24/2000 1:52:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
pasta@... writes:

<< I will have to go back to the board and read all the posts
on the new film, I have barely read about 10 or 20 posts of the 2500+. >>

There's a board?
What's the address?

In a message dated 09/24/2000 3:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

<< Also,
does anyone know anything about the POTA video game coming out for
Playstation? >>

I was hoping it wouldn't just be a slow computer game. Are ther cinematics
in between play?

<< Zira: "Taylor! Don't treat him like that!"
Taylor: "Why not?"
Zira: "It's humiliating!" >>

Later on, down the beach . . .

Taylor: I'm boned. All the time it was . . . Did they finally, Really remake
it?
YOU MANIACS! YOU SCREWED IT UP!!! DAMN YOU!!!! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO
HELL!!!!!

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Larry Montgomery" <uscha_dierdorff@h...>
wrote:

>

All very good and true points. Zauis is goign to have old Tim thrown
in a cage, I fear.

ph


Hmm... Points well taken.

>
> I have never seen "fight club" but I saw the trailers for it on TV.
> For some reason it never really grabbed me.
>
> Back to POTA stuff... I think that I will probably go and see the
> new POTA if for only curiosity sake alone. If the movie is a
> bomb, it will be a real shame. We've all heard the saying that
> its easier to destroy than create and it seems that the thing that
> Tim Burton will be destroying will be the viability of any POTA
> vehicles in the future.
>
> For some reason, I have an image of Tim in front of Dr. Zaius in his
> office trying to explain why he soiled the reputation of good apes
> everywhere! ;)
>
> Dr. Z. "Even through your lies some truth slips through"
> Tim. "What do you mean?"
> Dr. Z. "You claim to be a director of "fine film" but you create
> this claptrap which claims to be a remake..."
> Tim. "What about it?"
> Dr. Z. "A Remake?!? Only in your own mind!!!"
> Tim. "This whole thing is insane! What have I done???"
> Dr. Z. "...Your a nuisance! A walking pestilence!!!..."
>
> You all get the idea
>
>
> >From: "Philip Nobile" <soylentphil@h...>
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [pota] (unknown)
> >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:42:49 EDT
> >
> >
> > >I believe that we are missing the point.....
> >
> >Should be the motto of the list.
> >
> > >Unfortunately, the movie industry is no longer spawning the

talent that

> > >they were in the past. It is a more "touchy feely" kind of

world where

> > >to be a real man is despised. Now people want to "feel your

pain", or

> > >they want you to "feel their pain". Its a madhouse indeed.
> >
> >See Fight Club. Immediately.
> >
> > >I believe that when the executives use the words "Teen Friendly"

it is

> > >really a smoke screen for the letters P.C.
> >
> >It am a conspiracy.
> >
> > >Lastly, I must admit that I have never seen the remake of "Night

of the

> > >living dead". It sounds like a stinko movie.
> >
> >The remake was a beautiful and reverent creation compared to the

"special

> >edition" we're talking about. One of the original creators cut

out 15

> >minutes from NIGHT, added 15 minutes of new footage, and replaced

the score

> >with a cat walking across a piano. Escape from LA was easier to

sit

> >through.
> >
>
>_________

__________

> There's a board?
> What's the address?

I was talking about this board, don't know of any others.
ph

good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
cheers, all!
pete h

"Beware the Beast Tim, for he is Hollywoods Pawn. Allow him not to ruin
already great films, for he will make a desert of your imagination and his.
Shun him, drive him back into the hollywood hills..."

In a message dated 9/24/00 9:19:51 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I was hoping it wouldn't just be a slow computer game. Are ther
cinematics
in between play? >>

It looks pretty good, but the apes are more technologically advanced than in
the movies, although they look like they came from teh movies. The main
character is an astro who has to avoid the apes and find a way to escape.

In a message dated 9/24/00 9:26:01 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< << Zira: "Taylor! Don't treat him like that!"
Taylor: "Why not?"
Zira: "It's humiliating!" >> >>

Taylor: Humiliating? You had me performing in ape porno movies!

In a message dated 9/24/00 9:43:03 AM, pasta@... writes:

<< WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
POST CONQUEST 1991 >>

The astros from that show were actually in an alternate reality that branched
off from Battle for the Planet of the Apes. In this reality, once Caesar died
and the apes took over, humans retained the power of speech but became second
class citizens. Also there is a secret, technological society of humans who
hide from the apes, but secretly are plotting their overthrow to retake the
planet. It's these humans who used stored cells from dogs to recreate them
(and cats, cat lovers) after tinkering with their genetics to make them
immune to the remnants of the plague. Eventually Virdon and Burke meet up
with them, the humans release a virus which wipes the intelligence from
Gorillas and Orangs and the humans and chimps form a new society based on
peace and mutual respect. Virdon and Burke become leaders in this new
society, Galen marries a nice female chimp and settles down as a teacher and
writes his memoirs.

interesting theory... well, at least virdon and burke never got
killed by urko and his cronies!!!! :)
ph

>
> The astros from that show were actually in an alternate reality

that branched

> off from Battle for the Planet of the Apes. In this reality, once

Caesar died

> and the apes took over, humans retained the power of speech but

became second

> class citizens. Also there is a secret, technological society of

humans who

> hide from the apes, but secretly are plotting their overthrow to

retake the

> planet. It's these humans who used stored cells from dogs to

recreate them

> (and cats, cat lovers) after tinkering with their genetics to make

them

> immune to the remnants of the plague. Eventually Virdon and Burke

meet up

> with them, the humans release a virus which wipes the intelligence

from

> Gorillas and Orangs and the humans and chimps form a new society

based on

> peace and mutual respect. Virdon and Burke become leaders in this

new

> society, Galen marries a nice female chimp and settles down as a

teacher and

> writes his memoirs.

I have to admit that there are two things that are really concerning me
about the remake:
1) The ape princess thingie. I really like the hierchy they had in the
original.
2) The 'rethinking' thing. This one is the worst. If the person rethinking
is not an Ape fan, but a money grubbing exec, we are in some serious
trouble, folks! If they keep the original tempo, attitude, I'm gonna be
okay. Even a different perspective wouldn't be too bad, like from the
humans perspective. The gorillas in the first one gave me nightmares just
seeing them go after the humans..it would be kick to see them actually come
at the camera as if at a human. That sort of thing.

I read the script short on Alex's site..I think it would be hard to see on
film...maybe too much tecnobabble.
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:45:35 EDT
>
>Ape Princess?
>Sex between Humans and Apes?
>Ape Slavers?
>
>I haven't seen one second of footage, read one page of script and I have to
>admit, that I'm going to boycott this film. First I don't see any reason to
>remake this film! Can't Hollycrud come up with an original idea? And as for
>that Rethinking, not remake. Well, bleah to that. They can smokescreen all
>they want. I hope this movie stinks so bad, Hollycrud doesn't make a remake
>for a 100 years. I have really negative feelings toward this, I'm sorry to
>say. In fact, the way I feel right now, when that movie premieres, I'll
>just
>be sitting back with some Pop Secret, watching my VHS/Letterbox version of
>Planet in my own home. Unless I hear some positive things, I ain't buying
>the product.

_____________

I also find the 'children and teen friendly' thing offensive. I mean ,look
at Star Wars! Return was so toned down compared to Empire. And I actually
cringe when I see an Ewok! Nice little teddys ---ready to roast a sentient
creature alive for dinner! It must have been too kid oriented so they had
to spice it up a little. I won't even go into the kid appeal of Episode 1!
I had trouble following an adult line through the whole thing. Not that I'm
not a Star Wars fan, quite the contrary! I've seen them at least a million
times..stood in line all over the States for them. I believe they should
appeal to all that are going to see them, not aim for a selected audience.

*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:07:34 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/21/00 2:50:47 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:
>
><< I seem to recall back
>in the not too distant past that people from all over were saying the
>same things about "Escape", and "Conquest", and "Battle". >>
>
>I never had a problem with any of the sequels because they were just that,
>sequels, a continuation of the story. That's why I like Trek as well. Look
>how many remakes have been good and how many have sucked. I just don't see
>the reason. And the whole idea of making it "Teen or Young people" freindly
>really galls me. What, movies can't appeal to anyone? My younger days are
>twenty years behind me and I find such demography insulting. Any others out
>there feel the same way? Speak up and be heard!

_____________

OOOOOHH..the thought I had reminds me of another movie I admire: I shall
become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
*Lynne*

>From: NorthbyNW@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:28:15 EDT
>
>In a message dated 9/21/00 8:58:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>byruiz@... writes:
>
><< On top of that, if McDowall alone with all the cast members support such
>a
> project, I don't see why the fans shouldn't either. >>
>
> McDowall has gone to ape "heaven"... so I don't think he'll be
>supporting
>it any time soon. =]
>
>KG

_____________

I *love* it!! Hanson all lined up with collars and leashed together..with
Zira checking them out and making notes. Ursus comes up and says;'No, you
can't have them, they're marked for target practice.'ROFLMAO!!!! But
DiCaprio all sweaty and dirty ... in a loin-cloth!! Have pity on the
females on the list!! ;D
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:04:07 EDT
>
>In a message dated 09/21/2000 9:33:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
>byruiz@... writes:
>
><< Is that set? That DiCaprio will be playing Taylor? >>
>
>Why not just have Hanson land on the Planet?
>I'd love to see the gorillas beat the crap out of them!
>Why not Jonathan Taylor Thomas as Taylor?
>Isn't he the current equivalent of Lief Garrett?
>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh!

_____________

Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of the
entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for you
if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of you.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Harrison [pasta@...]
Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2000 23:43
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker


good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
cheers, all!
pete h

Or just some shitty continuity.....


Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 0:29
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker



In a message dated 9/24/00 9:43:03 AM, pasta@... writes:

<< WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
POST CONQUEST 1991 >>

The astros from that show were actually in an alternate reality that
branched
off from Battle for the Planet of the Apes. In this reality, once Caesar
died
and the apes took over, humans retained the power of speech but became
second
class citizens. Also there is a secret, technological society of humans who
hide from the apes, but secretly are plotting their overthrow to retake the
planet. It's these humans who used stored cells from dogs to recreate them
(and cats, cat lovers) after tinkering with their genetics to make them
immune to the remnants of the plague. Eventually Virdon and Burke meet up
with them, the humans release a virus which wipes the intelligence from
Gorillas and Orangs and the humans and chimps form a new society based on
peace and mutual respect. Virdon and Burke become leaders in this new
society, Galen marries a nice female chimp and settles down as a teacher and
writes his memoirs.

And hopefully not EXCLUDE a particular audience.


Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Miller [cosmicraye@...]
Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 5:28
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes


I also find the 'children and teen friendly' thing offensive. I mean ,look
at Star Wars! Return was so toned down compared to Empire. And I actually
cringe when I see an Ewok! Nice little teddys ---ready to roast a sentient
creature alive for dinner! It must have been too kid oriented so they had
to spice it up a little. I won't even go into the kid appeal of Episode 1!
I had trouble following an adult line through the whole thing. Not that I'm
not a Star Wars fan, quite the contrary! I've seen them at least a million
times..stood in line all over the States for them. I believe they should
appeal to all that are going to see them, not aim for a selected audience.

*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:07:34 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/21/00 2:50:47 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:
>
><< I seem to recall back
>in the not too distant past that people from all over were saying the
>same things about "Escape", and "Conquest", and "Battle". >>
>
>I never had a problem with any of the sequels because they were just that,
>sequels, a continuation of the story. That's why I like Trek as well. Look
>how many remakes have been good and how many have sucked. I just don't see
>the reason. And the whole idea of making it "Teen or Young people" freindly
>really galls me. What, movies can't appeal to anyone? My younger days are
>twenty years behind me and I find such demography insulting. Any others out
>there feel the same way? Speak up and be heard!

_____________

<<Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of the
entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for you
if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of you.

Michael>>

What exactly is a multi system vcr? I ordered all the tv shows and cartoons
from Terry Hoknes on the website this list is from, but if the quality isn't
good I'd like to have real tapes and not copies.

Loc

Hey Pete! Welcome to the list! It is a fun list and an informative one,
too. I have found out a lot things that I hadn't heard and it helps me keep
up with all the news. Hope you enjoy!!
*Lynne*

>From: "Peter Harrison" <pasta@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] The New Guy
>Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:19:42 -0000
>
>Hello, everyone. I just joined the group now, having found this great
>message board just last night. For the record, I am 32 years old and
>I have been a Planet of the Apes fan ever since I can remember seeing
>Battle at the drive in with my folks when I was just a little kid. I
>read all I can about Apes, have all the films, etc., etc., and I must
>say, it's fantastic to find a cool site like this to discuss thing
>with other fans. I will try to keep my posts interesting, hopefully
>informative, and in good taste. I have been on boards that have
>deteriorated into name calling, etc., and I don't go for that stuff,
>it's pointless. Anyway, I don't have anything really to ramble on
>about, so let me just say hello, and it's nice to be here. Oh, one
>thing though, after seeing most modern "Science Fiction" movies, I
>have serious reservations about the remake. Does anyone else? Cheers!
>
>Pete H.
>

_____________

Hey, Michael,
Count me in!! Email me and tell me how much it'll be. Even though I don't
have a multi system (yet), It'll be a good thing to have. I've been on
Columbia Video for the longest time, but so far nothing.
Thanks,
*Lynne*

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:47:21 +1000
>
>Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of the
>entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for
>you
>if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of you.
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Harrison [pasta@...]
>Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2000 23:43
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>
>
>good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
>having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
>series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
>guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
>commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
>a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
>them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
>gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
>fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
>ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
>during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
>POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
>course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
>stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
>battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
>stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
>flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
>the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
>movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
>can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
>cheers, all!
>pete h
>
>
>
>
>

_____________

thanks, but sadly i just have an ntsc standard vcr, and the place here in
tucson that transfers pal to ntsc charges $30 a tape!! will stick with the
dubs for now, but thanks for the offer. cheers.
ph
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>
>Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of the
>entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for

you

>if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of you.
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Harrison [pasta@...]
>Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2000 23:43
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>
>
>good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
>having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
>series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
>guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
>commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
>a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
>them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
>gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
>fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
>ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
>during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
>POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
>course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
>stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
>battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
>stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
>flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
>the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
>movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
>can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
>cheers, all!
>pete h
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

hahaha! probably so, but you'd think someone would have caught it! still, as
i said, i do like the tv series, but it is sort of seperate from the apes
continuity of the five films. cheers!
ph
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>
>Or just some shitty continuity.....
>
>
>Michael
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
>Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 0:29
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>
>
>
>In a message dated 9/24/00 9:43:03 AM, pasta@... writes:
>
><< WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
>POST CONQUEST 1991 >>
>
>The astros from that show were actually in an alternate reality that
>branched
>off from Battle for the Planet of the Apes. In this reality, once Caesar
>died
>and the apes took over, humans retained the power of speech but became
>second
>class citizens. Also there is a secret, technological society of humans who
>hide from the apes, but secretly are plotting their overthrow to retake the
>planet. It's these humans who used stored cells from dogs to recreate them
>(and cats, cat lovers) after tinkering with their genetics to make them
>immune to the remnants of the plague. Eventually Virdon and Burke meet up
>with them, the humans release a virus which wipes the intelligence from
>Gorillas and Orangs and the humans and chimps form a new society based on
>peace and mutual respect. Virdon and Burke become leaders in this new
>society, Galen marries a nice female chimp and settles down as a teacher

and

>writes his memoirs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

thanks lynne, it is nice to be here among fellow apes fans.
ph
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

>
>Hey Pete! Welcome to the list! It is a fun list and an informative one,
>too. I have found out a lot things that I hadn't heard and it helps me

keep

>up with all the news. Hope you enjoy!!
> *Lynne*
>
>
>>From: "Peter Harrison" <pasta@...>
>>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>>To: pota@egroups.com
>>Subject: [pota] The New Guy
>>Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:19:42 -0000
>>
>>Hello, everyone. I just joined the group now, having found this great
>>message board just last night. For the record, I am 32 years old and
>>I have been a Planet of the Apes fan ever since I can remember seeing
>>Battle at the drive in with my folks when I was just a little kid. I
>>read all I can about Apes, have all the films, etc., etc., and I must
>>say, it's fantastic to find a cool site like this to discuss thing
>>with other fans. I will try to keep my posts interesting, hopefully
>>informative, and in good taste. I have been on boards that have
>>deteriorated into name calling, etc., and I don't go for that stuff,
>>it's pointless. Anyway, I don't have anything really to ramble on
>>about, so let me just say hello, and it's nice to be here. Oh, one
>>thing though, after seeing most modern "Science Fiction" movies, I
>>have serious reservations about the remake. Does anyone else? Cheers!
>>
>>Pete H.
>>
>
>_____________

lynne
sometimes dubs are the way to go when the stupid studios don't see the
marketing potential of a certain series. there's always the ally mcbeal box
set, god save us all. cheers.
ph
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>
>Hey, Michael,
>Count me in!! Email me and tell me how much it'll be. Even though I don't
>have a multi system (yet), It'll be a good thing to have. I've been on
>Columbia Video for the longest time, but so far nothing.
> Thanks,
> *Lynne*
>
>
>>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>>Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:47:21 +1000
>>
>>Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of

the

>>entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for
>>you
>>if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of you.
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Peter Harrison [pasta@...]
>>Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2000 23:43
>>To: pota@egroups.com
>>Subject: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>>
>>
>>good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
>>having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
>>series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
>>guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
>>commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
>>a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
>>them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
>>gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
>>fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
>>ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
>>during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
>>POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
>>course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
>>stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
>>battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
>>stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
>>flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
>>the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
>>movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
>>can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
>>cheers, all!
>>pete h
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>_____________

In a message dated 09/24/2000 2:29:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< And I actually
cringe when I see an Ewok! >>

Yes Lynne, the Ewok factor scares the piss out of me too. I hope that the
love scene with the chimpette princess will eliminate any possibility of that
creeping in. I know some fans will disagree, but I'd rather have some adult
content. I'm not interested in ruining a good film to sell more toys. I'd
rather Zira, Cornelius, Nova and Taylor have an orgy then have that happen to
it. Not that they should have a porno version -- Planet of the Rapes or
anything like that. I'm optimistic about it.
Thanks to superior production values and top notch actors, nobody even
remembers what movie The Maltese Falcon is a remake of. Not that that will
ever happen to Apes. I just hope the don't put any surprise ending on the
poster! Do you hear me Fox!!!!!

Yes, I look forward to the day when all VCRs will play any tape in any
format, be it PAL, NTSC, or SECAM. I've got my eye on an undubbed version of
Mad Max with the original Aussie accents. Now what's all this about Virdon
and Burke becoming leaders in this new society and Galen marring a nice
female chimp and settling down as a teacher and writing his memoirs. What
vieo format is that on? I must have missed it.

Muliti System VCRs play tapes from other countries. US system is NTSC. The
Aussie system is PAL (which also plays on SECAM - the British System). If
this is not clear, maybe get in touch with a store which sells VCRs.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: locutusatwolf359@... [locutusatwolf359@...]
Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 8:09
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker


<<Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of
the
entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for you
if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of you.

Michael>>

What exactly is a multi system vcr? I ordered all the tv shows and cartoons
from Terry Hoknes on the website this list is from, but if the quality isn't
good I'd like to have real tapes and not copies.

Loc

I must say I saw Mad Max (didn't the US rename it as The Road Warrior, or
was that Mad Max 2?) in 1983 when my father was studying a Wright Patterson
in Ohio. I was AMAZED that there were US voice overs - but a lot of people
in the US sure had trouble understanding much I said so maybe it was all for
the best??

I'd love to hear your opinion of the movie with the original dub.

Michael (from, for those of you who missed it, Australia).

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 16:16
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker





Yes, I look forward to the day when all VCRs will play any tape in any
format, be it PAL, NTSC, or SECAM. I've got my eye on an undubbed version
of
Mad Max with the original Aussie accents. Now what's all this about Virdon
and Burke becoming leaders in this new society and Galen marring a nice
female chimp and settling down as a teacher and writing his memoirs. What
vieo format is that on? I must have missed it.

In a message dated 9/25/00 1:35:34 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Thanks to superior production values and top notch actors, nobody even
remembers what movie The Maltese Falcon is a remake of. >>

Sure I do. There was an incredibly lame grade Z version of The Maltese Falcon
that totally stunk. I think it was done by Monogram, perhaps a two reeler? I
saw it years ago.

In a message dated 9/25/00 2:16:06 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I've got my eye on an undubbed version of
Mad Max with the original Aussie accents.
Pick up an issue of Filmfax. There is a guy who sells that on NTSC for 20$

Now what's all this about Virdon
and Burke becoming leaders in this new society and Galen marring a nice
female chimp and settling down as a teacher and writing his memoirs. What
vieo format is that on? I must have missed it. >> Er, this never happened. I
made it up just to give the series some closure.

In a message dated 9/25/00 7:19:32 AM, whitty@... writes:

<< (didn't the US rename it as The Road Warrior, or
was that Mad Max 2?) Road Warrior (possiby the greatest action film ever
made, IMO, was Mad Max 2)
I was AMAZED that there were US voice overs - but a lot of people
in the US sure had trouble understanding much I said so maybe it was all for
the best??

I'd love to hear your opinion of the movie with the original dub. >> As soon
as I get it I'll post. I'm ordering it from a guy from Filmfax magazine.

>I'd love to hear your opinion of the movie with the original dub. >> As
>soon
>as I get it I'll post. I'm ordering it from a guy from Filmfax magazine.

Hadn't ever seen Mad Max until I got to see it on the big screen earlier
this year. Enjoyed it immensely. Watched parts of the dubbed version
afterward and was surprised that it didn't suck too badly.


_____________

In a message dated 9/25/00 4:11:01 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< Hadn't ever seen Mad Max until I got to see it on the big screen earlier
this year. Enjoyed it immensely. Watched parts of the dubbed version
afterward and was surprised that it didn't suck too badly. >>

What I don't understand (great name phil) is why Mad Max was dubbed but Road
Warrior and Thunderdome (which I also like, especially Pig Killer) weren't ?

For the sequels they were actually appealing to the International audience
so they were avoiding too much Aussie slang and speaking more clearly (and
certainly by "Thunderdome" they cast more Americans than Aussies!!).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2000 6:14
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker



In a message dated 9/25/00 4:11:01 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< Hadn't ever seen Mad Max until I got to see it on the big screen earlier
this year. Enjoyed it immensely. Watched parts of the dubbed version
afterward and was surprised that it didn't suck too badly. >>

What I don't understand (great name phil) is why Mad Max was dubbed but Road
Warrior and Thunderdome (which I also like, especially Pig Killer) weren't ?

Like your point about having the gorillas coming towards the camera. Make The
Hunt like the opening sequence of Private Ryan. Put the audience in the
action. Almost like a hologram. Maybe a hundred years from now they'll be
debating the upcoming holographic remake of POTA! Later, John

Hey Pete, welcome aboard. It's a fun list and gives a chance for fellow ape
fans to get together and sound off. I have no great reservations about the
remake. If anything, I glad they're doing it. Of course they can screw it up,
but it can also turn out to be great. As always, it comes down to the script.
Kind of like DNA, got to have the basic building blocks. Then everthing else
will come naturally. (With a lot of hard work, of course) Go Apes, John

john, hope you're right, i hope the remake/rethink/sequel is good. i'll go
see it no matter what.... should be getting the complete apes tv series in
the mail by the end of the week..let's see, 14 eps times 50 mins apiece is
almost 12 hours.......i've only seen 4 or 5 episodes, so i am thinking of
watching them all in one sitting, god help me! thanks for the welcome to the
list, have a good week. cheers!

ph
-----Original Message-----
From: JSe3689836@... <JSe3689836@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

>Hey Pete, welcome aboard. It's a fun list and gives a chance for fellow ape
>fans to get together and sound off. I have no great reservations about the
>remake. If anything, I glad they're doing it. Of course they can screw it

up,

>but it can also turn out to be great. As always, it comes down to the

script.

>Kind of like DNA, got to have the basic building blocks. Then everthing

else

>will come naturally. (With a lot of hard work, of course) Go Apes, John
>
>
>
>

Pete,

I actually have all the '74 series on tape...8 times over in fact. I ran 2
VCR's and taped every time Sci-Fi ran it. The only problem is that I'm in
FL and they are in MI at a friends until I get settled either here or there.
They turned out fine, but I have to admit that I, too, tape commercials.
It's fun to go back and see how things were at the time. Still, a boxed set
of POTA '74? I can't resist!!!

*Lynne*

>From: "Pete Harrison" <pasta@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:21:43 -0700
>
>lynne
> sometimes dubs are the way to go when the stupid studios don't see the
>marketing potential of a certain series. there's always the ally mcbeal box
>set, god save us all. cheers.
>ph
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
>To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
>Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 4:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>
>
> >
> >Hey, Michael,
> >Count me in!! Email me and tell me how much it'll be. Even though I
>don't
> >have a multi system (yet), It'll be a good thing to have. I've been on
> >Columbia Video for the longest time, but so far nothing.
> > Thanks,
> > *Lynne*
> >
> >
> >>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> >>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >>To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
> >>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:47:21 +1000
> >>
> >>Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of
>the
> >>entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it for
> >>you
> >>if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of
>you.
> >>
> >>Michael
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Peter Harrison [pasta@...]
> >>Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2000 23:43
> >>To: pota@egroups.com
> >>Subject: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
> >>
> >>
> >>good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
> >>having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
> >>series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
> >>guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
> >>commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
> >>a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
> >>them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
> >>gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
> >>fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
> >>ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
> >>during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
> >>POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
> >>course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
> >>stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
> >>battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
> >>stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
> >>flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
> >>the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
> >>movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
> >>can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
> >>cheers, all!
> >>pete h
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_____________

_____________

I hear you..I sure hope that Fox does!! I don't know about this princess
stuff, though. Trying to capitalize on Star Wars I think. Has to be a
smoke screen, like SW's 'Blue Harvest' thingie.
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:35:00 EDT
>
>In a message dated 09/24/2000 2:29:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
>cosmicraye@... writes:
>
><< And I actually
> cringe when I see an Ewok! >>
>
>Yes Lynne, the Ewok factor scares the piss out of me too. I hope that the
>love scene with the chimpette princess will eliminate any possibility of
>that
>creeping in. I know some fans will disagree, but I'd rather have some
>adult
>content. I'm not interested in ruining a good film to sell more toys. I'd
>rather Zira, Cornelius, Nova and Taylor have an orgy then have that happen
>to
>it. Not that they should have a porno version -- Planet of the Rapes or
>anything like that. I'm optimistic about it.
>Thanks to superior production values and top notch actors, nobody even
>remembers what movie The Maltese Falcon is a remake of. Not that that will
>ever happen to Apes. I just hope the don't put any surprise ending on the
>poster! Do you hear me Fox!!!!!

_____________

Hi all,

I've been a bit short on posting these past few weeks, but as I look
over some of the other things people have written I've come up with a few
thoughts/observations/ questions I'd like to throw by everyone. Please
feel free to reply or ignore.
Anyway:


1) A few weeks back, Alex posted a picture showing one of the sets from
Hello Dolly that was later used in BENEATH (the large staircase that
became the altar in St. Patrick's Cathedral). If you look at the photo of
the set in Hello Dolly, you'll see a small alcove/ doorway on the face of
the left side of the staircase. Now, if you look in the BENEATH graphic
novel that Malibu released in 1991, some of the original production
sketches were included in the back. One of them (lower right Page 135) is
a drawing of the inside of the church with the alcove in almost the exact
same place. Coincidence? Or perhaps the person doing the sketches already
knew the sets from Hello Dolly were being used. Is there anyone on the
list that can shed some light on this?

2) Being somewhat of a fan of late night TV and also NYPD Blue (best show
on television right now BTW), I watch the syndicated reruns on Channel 2
from NYC on Saturday night (the same station I first saw the POTA movies
on once upon a time). There are two commercials shown quite frequently,
one with a with a man and one with a woman, sound asleep in bed with the
narration saying "They should've called 540-WAKE). Anyway, the voice over
for the one with the man says "In other news, Cryrogenics was going to
promote George Taylor today but he didn't show up for work. Company
officials are concerned". Again, coincidence? Or perhaps the person who
had to write the ad copy is a POTA fan and decided to write an "in" joke.
You could even argue that the name of the company is an indirect
reference to the crew being placed in hibernation.
Maybe Taylor showed up late for work, and instead of getting the
promotion got sent on the space flight instead. It could happen.

3) Book update- I'm happy to announce that the long awaited PLANET OF THE
APES REVISITED will FINALLY be released July 2001. It will be in
hardcover format with color photos and include (hopefully anyway) the
definitive POTA timeline written by yours truly. As I receive more
updates I'll pass them along.

4) Research project that I need an answer on ASAP- Several years back, I
received a mail order catalog from a place that specializes in vinyl
soundtracks. In it was a supposed soundtrack release for BATTLE. I called
the place to make sure it wasn't a misprint and the guy told me no. As
far as he knew, it contained both music and dialogue much like the
BENEATH Lp did. Of course, I was more than broke at that point so I
couldn't pick it up. Does anybody know if this item actually exists? If
so, please e-mail me privately at lawford42@....

4) I remember reading that an upcoming issue of Starlog was going to
feature an interview with Natalie Trundy. Has this come out yet, and if
so could someone provide me with the details?

5) For anyone who has the Film Score Monthly BENEATH soundtrack and also
a copy of the original BENEATH trailer: Did you notice that the music
used in the last scene of the trailer where the statue of the Lawgiver
falls down is the same music that Rosenman originally composed for the
scene (which ended up not being used in the final cut). Either it was
originally in that scene and later taken out, or maybe Rosenman was
involved with the production of the trailer. For a trailer (usually
assembled when the film is still in post-production), I wouldn't expect
to hear the music composed for a specific scene actually used for that
same scene. There's usually just one theme played throughout the duration
of the spot.

6) During filming of ESCAPE, do you suppose the cast and crew kidded
director Don Taylor about his last name. "Hey, how are we going to light
this?". "I don't know, let's ask TAY-LOR!!. Hey Bright-Eyes, how do you
want to do this?". To which he would reply: Shut Up! SHUT UP!!!!!
Ahhh!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! (Sam Kinison scream).

7) Somewhere recently I saw a reproduction of an ad used to get TV
stations to buy the POTA TV movies culled from the series, but for the
life of me I can't remember where. Did someone post a link recently?
Maybe it was in the paperback version of Eric Green's book? Anyone?
Anyone? Bueller?

8) To the guy making the Ape Polls: How about one where we rank the five
movies in order of personal preference. I'm interested to see what other
Ape fans consider their personal favorite. And just to get the ball
rolling, here's mine:

1) BENEATH
2) PLANET
3) BATTLE
4) CONQUEST
5) ESCAPE



OK, I think I've rambled on enough for one post (plus there's quite a few
others I have to respond to). So, adios!


Later,

Chris L.




____

Lynne-

I had them all too at one time, but the quality was so bad, I trashed
them. The guy from Yahoo Auctions that I just bought the new set from, which
I'm waiting for in the mail, got all good feedbacks, so I am crossing my
fingers. I don't mind commercials, actually, I just am not too wild about TV
networks editing the shows down so they can show MORE of them to make the
All Important Dollar from sponsors. The old set was from SCI FI Channel, and
I am expecting the new set to be from it as well. Can't wait to see them,
all of them, not just the 5 or so of the 14 that I've already seen. (I'll
rewatch those, though, of course!) I vaguely remember seeing them as a kid
(born 11/67), so I agree, it IS fun to watch stuff from that time. Brings
back a lot of memories....sigh... You are 100% right, I'd love to see an
NTSC VHS, or even better, a DVD box set of the COMPLETE RUN! But, guess
we'll have to wait and see. Glad they're available in dubbed form at least,
in any case. Cheers!

Pete H
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>Pete,
>
>I actually have all the '74 series on tape...8 times over in fact. I ran 2
>VCR's and taped every time Sci-Fi ran it. The only problem is that I'm in
>FL and they are in MI at a friends until I get settled either here or

there.

> They turned out fine, but I have to admit that I, too, tape commercials.
>It's fun to go back and see how things were at the time. Still, a boxed

set

>of POTA '74? I can't resist!!!
>
> *Lynne*
>
>
>>From: "Pete Harrison" <pasta@...>
>>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:21:43 -0700
>>
>>lynne
>> sometimes dubs are the way to go when the stupid studios don't see

the

>>marketing potential of a certain series. there's always the ally mcbeal

box

>>set, god save us all. cheers.
>>ph
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
>>To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
>>Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 4:14 PM
>>Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Hey, Michael,
>> >Count me in!! Email me and tell me how much it'll be. Even though I
>>don't
>> >have a multi system (yet), It'll be a good thing to have. I've been on
>> >Columbia Video for the longest time, but so far nothing.
>> > Thanks,
>> > *Lynne*
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>> >>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>> >>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>> >>Subject: RE: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>> >>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:47:21 +1000
>> >>
>> >>Are you aware that if you have a multi-system VCR there is a box set of
>>the
>> >>entire TV Series available from Fox here in Australia? I can but it

for

>> >>you
>> >>if you want it - at cost - and send it to you. That goes for all of
>>you.
>> >>
>> >>Michael
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Peter Harrison [pasta@...]
>> >>Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2000 23:43
>> >>To: pota@egroups.com
>> >>Subject: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>good morning to all! 628 am here in lovely tucson. hope everyone is
>> >>having a relaxing weekend. a year or so ago, i won the entire pota tv
>> >>series on ebay, 7 vhs tapes, 2 episodes per tape. unfortunately, the
>> >>guy ripped me off, i knew they were dubs, but geez! they had
>> >>commercials in 'em and worse, the audio and video quality were about
>> >>a 4 on a scale of one to ten! had to trash them, but recently bought
>> >>them from another guy on yahoo auctions, 14 eps on 7 tapes. he's
>> >>gotten good reviews from other folks, so i am crosing my
>> >>fingers....but man, what i wouldn't give for the entire run on dvd or
>> >>ntsc tapes at the least. whch episode was it that was not shown
>> >>during the series' original run? WHY WERE THERE DOGS RUNNING AROUND
>> >>POST CONQUEST 1991??????? minor quibble, i actually love the show, of
>> >>course. don't know if anyone surfs the auctions, but a lot of cool
>> >>stuff shows up, including the japanese laserdisc of the extended
>> >>battle, etc....by the way, does anyone know what happened to austin
>> >>stoker (macdonald from battle)? i know he was in a handful of 70's
>> >>flicks (assault on precinct 13 for one!) and performed on return to
>> >>the pota, but he seems to have disappeared....curious.....internet
>> >>movie database (www.imdb.com) does not have all that much info....
>> >>can't wait to get the tv series in the mail hopefully this week.
>> >>cheers, all!
>> >>pete h
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>_____________ >_____________

.html*Lynne*

 

>From: "Pete Harrison"

>john, hope you're right, i hope the remake/rethink/sequel is good. i'll go

>see it no matter what.... should be getting the complete apes tv series in

>the mail by the end of the week..let's see, 14 eps times 50 mins apiece is

>almost 12 hours.......i've only seen 4 or 5 episodes, so i am thinking of

>watching them all in one sitting, god help me! thanks for the welcome to the

>list, have a good week. cheers!

>

>ph

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Chris-

Sorry, no ideas on 1-7!!! But, my favorite 5 films, in order, are:
1) Planet
2) Conquest
3) Battle
4) Beneath
5) Escape

This changes on a regular basis, though Escape usually holds firm in the 4
or 5 position.....I am one of the few(?) folks that absolutely loves Battle,
Paul Williams and all!!! Come on, John Huston, Lew Ayres (Caesar forbids
youuuuu!!!!!!), Natalie Trundy, Severn Darden, Austin Stoker, France Nuyen,
CLAUDE AKINS and the rest!!!!!??? A great cast, and I am NOT kidding, nor am
I forgetting the late, great Roddy McDowall. The version that retains all
the BOMB references is the best version, IMHO. Turns up on the online
auctions every so often, well worth getting! Cheers!

pjh





-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42@... <lawford42@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:02 PM
Subject: [pota] Lots o' Odds & Ends

>Hi all,
>
> I've been a bit short on posting these past few weeks, but as I look
>over some of the other things people have written I've come up with a few
>thoughts/observations/ questions I'd like to throw by everyone. Please
>feel free to reply or ignore.
> Anyway:
>
>
>1) A few weeks back, Alex posted a picture showing one of the sets from
>Hello Dolly that was later used in BENEATH (the large staircase that
>became the altar in St. Patrick's Cathedral). If you look at the photo of
>the set in Hello Dolly, you'll see a small alcove/ doorway on the face of
>the left side of the staircase. Now, if you look in the BENEATH graphic
>novel that Malibu released in 1991, some of the original production
>sketches were included in the back. One of them (lower right Page 135) is
>a drawing of the inside of the church with the alcove in almost the exact
>same place. Coincidence? Or perhaps the person doing the sketches already
>knew the sets from Hello Dolly were being used. Is there anyone on the
>list that can shed some light on this?
>
>2) Being somewhat of a fan of late night TV and also NYPD Blue (best show
>on television right now BTW), I watch the syndicated reruns on Channel 2
>from NYC on Saturday night (the same station I first saw the POTA movies
>on once upon a time). There are two commercials shown quite frequently,
>one with a with a man and one with a woman, sound asleep in bed with the
>narration saying "They should've called 540-WAKE). Anyway, the voice over
>for the one with the man says "In other news, Cryrogenics was going to
>promote George Taylor today but he didn't show up for work. Company
>officials are concerned". Again, coincidence? Or perhaps the person who
>had to write the ad copy is a POTA fan and decided to write an "in" joke.
>You could even argue that the name of the company is an indirect
>reference to the crew being placed in hibernation.
> Maybe Taylor showed up late for work, and instead of getting the
>promotion got sent on the space flight instead. It could happen.
>
>3) Book update- I'm happy to announce that the long awaited PLANET OF THE
>APES REVISITED will FINALLY be released July 2001. It will be in
>hardcover format with color photos and include (hopefully anyway) the
>definitive POTA timeline written by yours truly. As I receive more
>updates I'll pass them along.
>
>4) Research project that I need an answer on ASAP- Several years back, I
>received a mail order catalog from a place that specializes in vinyl
>soundtracks. In it was a supposed soundtrack release for BATTLE. I called
>the place to make sure it wasn't a misprint and the guy told me no. As
>far as he knew, it contained both music and dialogue much like the
>BENEATH Lp did. Of course, I was more than broke at that point so I
>couldn't pick it up. Does anybody know if this item actually exists? If
>so, please e-mail me privately at lawford42@....
>
>4) I remember reading that an upcoming issue of Starlog was going to
>feature an interview with Natalie Trundy. Has this come out yet, and if
>so could someone provide me with the details?
>
>5) For anyone who has the Film Score Monthly BENEATH soundtrack and also
>a copy of the original BENEATH trailer: Did you notice that the music
>used in the last scene of the trailer where the statue of the Lawgiver
>falls down is the same music that Rosenman originally composed for the
>scene (which ended up not being used in the final cut). Either it was
>originally in that scene and later taken out, or maybe Rosenman was
>involved with the production of the trailer. For a trailer (usually
>assembled when the film is still in post-production), I wouldn't expect
>to hear the music composed for a specific scene actually used for that
>same scene. There's usually just one theme played throughout the duration
>of the spot.
>
>6) During filming of ESCAPE, do you suppose the cast and crew kidded
>director Don Taylor about his last name. "Hey, how are we going to light
>this?". "I don't know, let's ask TAY-LOR!!. Hey Bright-Eyes, how do you
>want to do this?". To which he would reply: Shut Up! SHUT UP!!!!!
>Ahhh!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! (Sam Kinison scream).
>
>7) Somewhere recently I saw a reproduction of an ad used to get TV
>stations to buy the POTA TV movies culled from the series, but for the
>life of me I can't remember where. Did someone post a link recently?
>Maybe it was in the paperback version of Eric Green's book? Anyone?
>Anyone? Bueller?
>
>8) To the guy making the Ape Polls: How about one where we rank the five
>movies in order of personal preference. I'm interested to see what other
>Ape fans consider their personal favorite. And just to get the ball
>rolling, here's mine:
>
>1) BENEATH
>2) PLANET
>3) BATTLE
>4) CONQUEST
>5) ESCAPE
>
>
>
>OK, I think I've rambled on enough for one post (plus there's quite a few
>others I have to respond to). So, adios!
>
>
>Later,
>
>Chris L.
>
>
>
>
>____

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-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] The New Guy

Go for it, Pete!! If you have slo-mo,a good slo-mo, that's fun too!! I watched practically all the '74 series in slo-mo, a riot! I was house sitting and had to stay up all night one night. Saw the first two or three and had to do them all when I had the chance. Coffee helps some, too!

*Lynne*

 

>From: "Pete Harrison"

>john, hope you're right, i hope the remake/rethink/sequel is good. i'll go

>see it no matter what.... should be getting the complete apes tv series in

>the mail by the end of the week..let's see, 14 eps times 50 mins apiece is

>almost 12 hours.......i've only seen 4 or 5 episodes, so i am thinking of

>watching them all in one sitting, god help me! thanks for the welcome to the

>list, have a good week. cheers!

>

>ph

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I ordered the TV and cartoon shows from the site this list is from and have
never seen any of them. I'm patiently waiting for them. I hope Terry Hoknes
who runs the Apes site comes back into town soon and sends me them. I've just
recently become an ape addict and ordered all the malibu comics I could find
on the net including the POTA, Beneath, and Escape trade paperback novels. I
am awaiting those as well. I just got a mint copy of Adventures of the Planet
of the Apes #1 of the marvel comic today in the mail and can't wait to read
it. What is everyone's thoughts on the comics? Are they pretty cool or what?
I hope the new Apes movie is good and it will spark a huge interest back into
the shows and they will put the tv series and cartoons out on dvd.

Loc

The Marvel mags from the 70's are good, mainly for the original series'
"Terror" and the WILD "Future History Chronicles". Also, the film
adaptations are from the shooting scripts, so there are some cool difference
there as well, notably Breck instead of Kolp in Battle. The Adventure comics
of the 90's are fair to poor. Some good ideas, just not well executed at
all. Hoknes is sometimes late in shipping, but he's away from home a lot.
Otherwise, a reliable guy, whose stock is usually as described, bought all
the MARVEL mags from him. Cheers.

PH
-----Original Message-----
From: locutusatwolf359@... <locutusatwolf359@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>I ordered the TV and cartoon shows from the site this list is from and have
>never seen any of them. I'm patiently waiting for them. I hope Terry Hoknes
>who runs the Apes site comes back into town soon and sends me them. I've

just

>recently become an ape addict and ordered all the malibu comics I could

find

>on the net including the POTA, Beneath, and Escape trade paperback novels.

I

>am awaiting those as well. I just got a mint copy of Adventures of the

Planet

>of the Apes #1 of the marvel comic today in the mail and can't wait to read
>it. What is everyone's thoughts on the comics? Are they pretty cool or

what?

>I hope the new Apes movie is good and it will spark a huge interest back

into

>the shows and they will put the tv series and cartoons out on dvd.
>
>Loc
>
>
>
>

Thanks for the info! I'll have to get all the Marvel books now.

Loc

<<The Marvel mags from the 70's are good, mainly for the original series'
"Terror" and the WILD "Future History Chronicles". Also, the film
adaptations are from the shooting scripts, so there are some cool difference
there as well, notably Breck instead of Kolp in Battle. The Adventure comics
of the 90's are fair to poor. Some good ideas, just not well executed at
all. Hoknes is sometimes late in shipping, but he's away from home a lot.
Otherwise, a reliable guy, whose stock is usually as described, bought all
the MARVEL mags from him. Cheers.

PH

Glad to assist. The original series Marvel ran were "Terror on the Planet of
the Apes", "Kingdom on the Planet of the Apes", and "Future History
Chronicles", all written with psychotic way out there flair by Doug Moench.
The first concerns the adventures of a pair of teens, the human Jason, and
the chimp Alexander, who are on the run from the gorilla Brutus. Started
good, got a bit long winded, out of focus towards the end. Still, lots of
good 70's style WEIRD STUFF!!! Second series is bad, IMHO, King Arthur type
apes on an island......not good at all! The third is by far the most insane,
involves apes on city ships, a top hatted gorilla, pirates, etc. You get the
jist of it I am sure.......Worth getting, lots of cool articles in the maga
as well. Pricey though, I stuck with the copies in "fair" condition. Like
lots of other stuff, the complete run of 29 issues sometimes appears
relatively cheaply on ebay, bidders edge, etc. Avoid the 90's stuff, but if
you must get some, buy the Blood of the Apes or Urchak's Folly
miniseries.......Cheers!

Pete H
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Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>Thanks for the info! I'll have to get all the Marvel books now.
>
>Loc
>
><<The Marvel mags from the 70's are good, mainly for the original series'
>"Terror" and the WILD "Future History Chronicles". Also, the film
>adaptations are from the shooting scripts, so there are some cool

difference

>there as well, notably Breck instead of Kolp in Battle. The Adventure

comics

>of the 90's are fair to poor. Some good ideas, just not well executed at
>all. Hoknes is sometimes late in shipping, but he's away from home a lot.
>Otherwise, a reliable guy, whose stock is usually as described, bought all
>the MARVEL mags from him. Cheers.
>
>PH
>
>
>
>

.html I have to admit..I was born in '61 and saw most of them in the first run, but....I saw them all in black and white!!!! I saw them in color for the first time when Sci-Fi ran them! It was like seeing them for the first time and brought a tear to my eyes. Wonderful!! I haven't been able to keep them out of my head since, and keeps my creative writing interesting, if only to me at this time. *Lynne*

 

>From: "Pete Harrison"

>Lynne-

>

> I had them all too at one time, but the quality was so bad, I trashed

>them. The guy from Yahoo Auctions that I just bought the new set from, which

>I'm waiting for in the mail, got all good feedbacks, so I am crossing my

>fingers. I don't mind commercials, actually, I just am not too wild about TV

>networks editing the shows down so they can show MORE of them to make the

>All Important Dollar from sponsors. The old set was from SCI FI Channel, and

>I am expecting the new set to be from it as well. Can't wait to see them,

>all of them, not just the 5 or so of the 14 that I've already seen. (I'll

>rewatch those, though, of course!) I vaguely remember seeing them as a kid

>(born 11/67), so I agree, it IS fun to watch stuff from that time. Brings

>back a lot of memories....sigh... You are 100% right, I'd love to see an

>NTSC VHS, or even better, a DVD box set of the COMPLETE RUN! But, guess

>we'll have to wait and see. Glad they're available in dubbed form at least,

>in any case. Cheers!

>

>Pete H

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.html I have to admit..I was born in '61 and saw most of them in the first run, but....I saw them all in black and white!!!! I saw them in color for the first time when Sci-Fi ran them! It was like seeing them for the first time and brought a tear to my eyes. Wonderful!! I haven't been able to keep them out of my head since, and keeps my creative writing interesting, if only to me at this time. *Lynne*

 

>From: "Pete Harrison"

>Lynne-

>

> I had them all too at one time, but the quality was so bad, I

trashed

>them. The guy from Yahoo Auctions that I just bought the new set

from, which

>I'm waiting for in the mail, got all good feedbacks, so I am

crossing my

>fingers. I don't mind commercials, actually, I just am not too

wild about TV

>networks editing the shows down so they can show MORE of them to

make the

>All Important Dollar from sponsors. The old set was from SCI FI

Channel, and

>I am expecting the new set to be from it as well. Can't wait to

see them,

>all of them, not just the 5 or so of the 14 that I've already

seen. (I'll

>rewatch those, though, of course!) I vaguely remember seeing them

as a kid

>(born 11/67), so I agree, it IS fun to watch stuff from that

time. Brings

>back a lot of memories....sigh... You are 100% right, I'd love to

see an

>NTSC VHS, or even better, a DVD box set of the COMPLETE RUN! But,

guess

>we'll have to wait and see. Glad they're available in dubbed form

at least,

>in any case. Cheers!

>

>Pete H

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Alls I got to say is: What took you so long?? Of course I've been around
awhile and have had them since the beginning. But welcome to the Planet of
the Apes!
Go Ape...
*Lynne*

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>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:53:21 EDT
>
>I ordered the TV and cartoon shows from the site this list is from and have
>never seen any of them. I'm patiently waiting for them. I hope Terry Hoknes
>who runs the Apes site comes back into town soon and sends me them. I've
>just
>recently become an ape addict and ordered all the malibu comics I could
>find
>on the net including the POTA, Beneath, and Escape trade paperback novels.
>I
>am awaiting those as well. I just got a mint copy of Adventures of the
>Planet
>of the Apes #1 of the marvel comic today in the mail and can't wait to read
>it. What is everyone's thoughts on the comics? Are they pretty cool or
>what?
>I hope the new Apes movie is good and it will spark a huge interest back
>into
>the shows and they will put the tv series and cartoons out on dvd.
>
>Loc

_____________

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>Lynne

>

> Have you written anything apes related? I'd love to read fan ficiton from anyone out there! Got some ideas of my own......

>Pete

I've written scattered things, notes mostly, trying to get something going in my head.  I do have a fanzine here that I picked up at a convention a few years back with two excellent stories in it.  It was a duo zine paired with 'Garrison's Gorillas' stories, written by Ron Harper fans.  Wonderful!!  Has anyone ever seen it?  When my schedule allows me this week to write letters, I'll see if I can contact them to see if I can post them to Alex's site.  Or maybe they can contact the site.  Very, and I mean *very* good reading!!

Anyone else brave enough to write stories for the site?  Maybe a round-robin?  I'd love it!!

                                                      *Lynne*

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Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

Pete wrote:

>Lynne

>

> Have you written anything apes related? I'd love to read fan ficiton from anyone out there! Got some ideas of my own......

>Pete

I've written scattered things, notes mostly, trying to get something going in my head.  I do have a fanzine here that I picked up at a convention a few years back with two excellent stories in it.  It was a duo zine paired with 'Garrison's Gorillas' stories, written by Ron Harper fans.  Wonderful!!  Has anyone ever seen it?  When my schedule allows me this week to write letters, I'll see if I can contact them to see if I can post them to Alex's site.  Or maybe they can contact the site.  Very, and I mean *very* good reading!!

Anyone else brave enough to write stories for the site?  Maybe a round-robin?  I'd love it!!

                                                      *Lynne*

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From: LordTZer0@...

>
>I remember McDowall doing The Carol Burnett show. At the opening of the show
>he was in make up getting a big laugh singing a duet of Oh How Happy We Could
>Be, especially when the 'a boy for you a girl for me' line came up.

The Roddy McDowall "Biography" on A&E (shown again a couple of weeks
ago as part of "Bat-week" (Roddy played the Bookworm on the '60s
Batman TV show)) shows a 20- or 30-second clip of Carol asking Roddy
(in full makeup and waring a tux) how he is. I remember watching that
when it first airded---I'd love to see the whole show again.

Hunter
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In a message dated 09/25/2000 2:45:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Sure I do. There was an incredibly lame grade Z version of The Maltese
Falcon
that totally stunk. >>

Bet you can't remember the name!

The Maltese Falcon 1931?
ph
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From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes

>In a message dated 09/25/2000 2:45:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
>Mithril1960@... writes:
>
><< Sure I do. There was an incredibly lame grade Z version of The Maltese
>Falcon
> that totally stunk. >>
>
>Bet you can't remember the name!
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 09/25/2000 2:46:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< There is a guy who sells that on NTSC for 20$ >>

Thanks!
Sling me a link! . . . or just the address would be cool.

In a message dated 09/25/2000 2:50:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< I was AMAZED that there were US voice overs >>

Yeah! Me too! I saw The Road Warrior first. Then when I saw Mad Max, I
thought, Hey! Isn't the guy doing Fifi's voice really Speed's older brother
Rex, who ran away from home years ago . . . And Mel Gibson was born in New
York! You'd think he'd still have be able to manage a passable american
accent. To this day, Johnny the Boy still cracks me up. Will he be as funny
with his own voice? I wonder.

Not to get too far off POTA, but when Mad Max came out, I think it was only
at the drive-in. Very limited run! But I guess it must have made some money
or they wouldn't have been able to do the sequel. If they do a sequel to
this Apes film, I hope it shows as much improvement. In the first ones, they
seemed a lot more interested in profit taking, instead of reinvesting the
money to make a better film.

In a message dated 09/25/2000 7:47:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

<< Maybe a hundred years from now they'll be
debating the upcoming holographic remake of POTA! >>

Yeah, I hope the new game takes advantage of the advances in game technology,
unlike the DVD, which I understand, could have been better, given the story
depth in the world of Apes. I hope they don't just toss something off, to
coincide with the movie release.

In a message dated 09/25/2000 10:03:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
lawford42@... writes:

<< There are two commercials shown quite frequently >>

Does anyone remember the mattress commercial during the Superbowl?

"There is a place where you can have dinner with your girlfriend . . . and
Cornelius from the Planet of the Apes . . . In your dreams." I laughed
my ass off!
Kudos to Simmons or Sealey, or whoever it was on that one.

Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that commercial! That was before I was an Ape
addict

Loc
<<Does anyone remember the mattress commercial during the Superbowl?

"There is a place where you can have dinner with your girlfriend . . . and
Cornelius from the Planet of the Apes . . . In your dreams." I laughed
my ass off!
Kudos to Simmons or Sealey, or whoever it was on that one.

In a message dated 09/25/2000 11:16:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< I saw them all in black and white!!!! >>

Lynne, I'm the same age as you. I saw them first run and they were in color
then. Were you watching them on television or have you recovered from being
color blind? Whats the deal? Did someplae have B&W prints?

In a message dated 09/26/2000 12:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
pasta@... writes:

<< The Maltese Falcon 1931? >>

Wait, you're right!
I didn't see that one.
I saw the 1936 Dangerous Female a.k.a. Satan Met a Lady
Either way, it's the '41 that everyone remembers.

same movie alternate title. check out www.imdb.com. ph
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From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes

>In a message dated 09/26/2000 12:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
>pasta@... writes:
>
><< The Maltese Falcon 1931? >>
>
>Wait, you're right!
>I didn't see that one.
>I saw the 1936 Dangerous Female a.k.a. Satan Met a Lady
>Either way, it's the '41 that everyone remembers.
>
>
>
>

Hey kids,
A piece of trivia:
During the audio commentary on the "Kentucky Fried Movie" DVD, director,
John Landis confirms that he did appear in "Battle". He's credited as
"Jake's friend" but I was never sure if it was really him or not. After
playing the title role in "Shlock" you'd think they would have given him an
ape role.

see you next Wednesday....

Best,
KEN
P.S. First "Planet", then "Beneath" then "Escape" followed by "Battle"
(complete version) with "Conquest" as my least favourite.

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> Have I've written scattered things, notes mostly, trying to get something going in my head.  I do have a fanzine here that I picked up at a convention a few years back with two excellent stories in it.  It was a duo zine paired with 'Garrison's Gorillas' stories, written by Ron Harper fans.  Wonderful!!  Has anyone ever seen it?  When my schedule allows me this week to write letters, I'll see if I can contact them to see if I can post them to Alex's site.  Or maybe they can contact the site.  Very, and I mean *very* good reading!!

 

I wouldn't mind at all, let me know.

Alex 

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Alex

Do you have a website? I would like to see it.

Larry

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:34:06 -0400
>
> > Have I've written scattered things, notes mostly, trying to get
>something going in my head. I do have a fanzine here that I picked up at a
>convention a few years back with two excellent stories in it. It was a duo
>zine paired with 'Garrison's Gorillas' stories, written by Ron Harper fans.
> Wonderful!! Has anyone ever seen it? When my schedule allows me this
>week to write letters, I'll see if I can contact them to see if I can post
>them to Alex's site. Or maybe they can contact the site. Very, and I mean
>*very* good reading!!
>
>
>
> I wouldn't mind at all, let me know.
>
> Alex
>

_____________

> Alex
>
> Do you have a website? I would like to see it.
>
> Larry

Sure buddy.
www.prophecysite.com

Enjoy.

Alex

In a message dated 9/25/00 11:03:19 PM, lawford42@... writes:

<< Alex posted a picture showing one of the sets from
Hello Dolly that was later used in BENEATH >>

The staircase where Brent is interrogated is also used (filmed from behind)
in an episode of Land of the Giants. Malachi Throne leads a race of other
giants who are technologically advanced and live underground. The set was
painted bright blue. In fact, Irwin Allen wanted to use as many sets from
Beneath as he could as a money saving move. I saw this episode on the Sci Fi
channel so if the show is repeated viewers may want to keep an eye out.

In a message dated 9/26/00 12:14:36 AM, pasta@... writes:

<< The original series Marvel ran were "Terror on the Planet of
the Apes", "Kingdom on the Planet of the Apes", and "Future History
Chronicles", >>

The Forbidden Zone site has the superb Marvel timeline written in one of the
magazines. The only complaint I had about them (my originals are long gone)
is that the adaptation of Planet had the worst art work. George Tuska really
stunk. When Alfredo Alacala (who recently died) took over inking duties, the
art got much better. Battle also had poor art.

In a message dated 9/26/00 12:19:22 AM, pasta@... writes:

<< Have you written anything apes related? I'd love to read fan ficiton
from anyone out there! Got some ideas of my own......

Pete >>

I'm writing one called "Freak" that will be posted on the site soon. It takes
place some 1500 years after the death of Ceasar and that's all I'm saying.

In a message dated 9/26/00 1:02:05 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< << Sure I do. There was an incredibly lame grade Z version of The Maltese
Falcon
that totally stunk. >>

Bet you can't remember the name! >>

Dangerous Female.

In a message dated 9/26/00 1:03:17 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Sling me a link! . . . or just the address would be cool. >>

Here it is, but write first to make sure it's available!
Stephen M. Russo
Box 3250
McCormack Station
Boston, MA 02101-3250

In a message dated 9/26/00 1:16:43 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< In the first ones, they
seemed a lot more interested in profit taking, >>

As Fox did the Planet of the Apes sequels, since they were guaranteed money
makers, the budget was lower and lower. The suits the apes wore in Conquest
were from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and the CD armbands they wore were
the Time Tunnel armbands turned sideways. Battle had about as much budget as
the average TV movie.
Does anyone have the excellent Apes Archives cards? They are great!

In a message dated 9/26/00 1:24:04 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I hope they don't just toss something off, to
coincide with the movie release. >>

The game has actually been in the creative stage for at least two years,
since that's how long I've been seeing game shots of it in magazines.