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Mithril1960@...

I know you've all gotten the alert, but the name of the story I uploaded
(authored by me) is Freak. It takes place in the Planet of the Apes reality,
but all original.
It is formatted in Word 98. If you read it, please drop me a line.

FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!! CHEERS!!!!!!!!
PH

--- In pota@egroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
> I know you've all gotten the alert, but the name of the story I
uploaded
> (authored by me) is Freak. It takes place in the Planet of the Apes
reality,
> but all original.
> It is formatted in Word 98. If you read it, please drop me a line.

Anyone checking out the AMC 20th Century Fox Documentary "The
Blockbuster Years"? It's on AMC right now. Basically recounts the
last 40 years of Fox Pix. They do POTA about 11 minutes in. Goes for
about 4 minutes. Shows clips from The Hunt, The Trial, The Chase
Through Ape City & The Statue of Liberty. Also has clips
from "Behind", some Roddy, some Chuck. Also a lot of other Fox stuff.
Like a trip down memory lane. Check it out! John

> Anyone checking out the AMC 20th Century Fox Documentary "The
> Blockbuster Years"? It's on AMC right now. Basically recounts the
> last 40 years of Fox Pix. They do POTA about 11 minutes in. Goes for
> about 4 minutes. Shows clips from The Hunt, The Trial, The Chase
> Through Ape City & The Statue of Liberty. Also has clips
> from "Behind", some Roddy, some Chuck. Also a lot of other Fox stuff.
> Like a trip down memory lane. Check it out! John

Cool John!
Just turned it on, man I hope they rerun this, I missed the beginning of it.
Thanks.

Alex

In a message dated 9/26/00 7:58:48 PM, pasta@... writes:

<< FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!! CHEERS!!!!!!!!
PH >>

You read it already? Dang that's fast! Any other comments on it?

In a message dated 9/26/00 9:18:13 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< Just turned it on, man I hope they rerun this, I missed the beginning of
it.
Thanks. >>

It will probably be repeated tonight. I'd check my TV Guide.

Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the pota
group:


Which is your favorite SEQUEL to Planet
of the Apes

o Beneath
o Escape
o Conquest
o Battle


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://www.egroups.com/polls/pota

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

Just finished reading "Freak" and I loved it! Great story combining elements
of all the films into one awesome story! Wonderful character development!
Good ending too! Very ape-esque! I look forward to reading more stories by
you! Makes me want to write short stories again... something I haven't done
in years! Overall great work!

Loc

read the first few pages, then sidetracked by visitor, but so far it is
really great.
ph
-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... <Mithril1960@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fan Fiction

>
>In a message dated 9/26/00 7:58:48 PM, pasta@... writes:
>
><< FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!! CHEERS!!!!!!!!
>PH >>
>
>You read it already? Dang that's fast! Any other comments on it?
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 9/26/00 9:45:14 PM, locutusatwolf359@... writes:

<< Overall great work! >>

All I can say is thank you. I am humbled by your praise. Will I write
anymore, only time will tell. A long time ago, when I was in Junior High, I
wrote an alternate end to Beneath where Zaius shoots Ursus, Taylor and Brent
deactivate the bomb and Earth gets invaded by aliens, forcing the Apes and
Astro's to work together. Nova lives and gives birth to Taylors son and it's
Brent who takes Taylors ship, with Dr. Milo back to warn Earth. that was how
it ended. I wish I still had that darn story.

In a message dated 09/26/2000 3:35:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< The game has actually been in the creative stage for at least two years,
since that's how long I've been seeing game shots of it in magazines.

>>

I hope it doesn't have the production problems that Richard Marciko's Navy
SEALs has been having. It's release was pushed back by at least a year!
After two or more years in development, it was decided that the graphics
weren't up to snuff. So, the designers switched to an entirely different
graphics engine. With luck it may be out by spring!

In a message dated 09/26/2000 7:37:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

<< They do POTA about 11 minutes in. Goes for
about 4 minutes >>

Saw it. Taped it. Needed more Kim Hunter.

I missed the first showing of the documentary, but it's coming on at 1am
central time again so I'm taping it and watching it then.

Loc

.html <.html

I think that it was Sealy Posturepedic. I've seen it too, they showed it
during the 70th Academy Awards, too. I wonder who was in the ape makeup?
Anyone we may know, Hmmmm?
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Lots o' Odds & Ends
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:35:50 EDT
>
>In a message dated 09/25/2000 10:03:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
>lawford42@... writes:
>
><< There are two commercials shown quite frequently >>
>
>Does anyone remember the mattress commercial during the Superbowl?
>
>"There is a place where you can have dinner with your girlfriend . . . and
>Cornelius from the Planet of the Apes . . . In your dreams." I
>laughed
>my ass off!
>Kudos to Simmons or Sealey, or whoever it was on that one.

_____________

_____________

I read it!! I stayed up all night...okay, just until 2:00 a.m...but I read
it all the way through and I loved it. The end is sad, though. But it kept
with the theme of the movie. I especially liked the lead gorilla, Flavius.
Buffyish, isn't he.
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:16:52 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/26/00 12:19:22 AM, pasta@... writes:
>
><< Have you written anything apes related? I'd love to read fan ficiton
>from anyone out there! Got some ideas of my own......
>
>Pete >>
>
>I'm writing one called "Freak" that will be posted on the site soon. It
>takes
>place some 1500 years after the death of Ceasar and that's all I'm saying.

_____________

I just bought them at a convention, but haven't had time to look at
them...well, not *study* them. I did glance through them, I couldn't help
myself.
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:32:17 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/26/00 1:16:43 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:
>
><< In the first ones, they
>seemed a lot more interested in profit taking, >>
>
>As Fox did the Planet of the Apes sequels, since they were guaranteed money
>makers, the budget was lower and lower. The suits the apes wore in Conquest
>were from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and the CD armbands they wore
>were
>the Time Tunnel armbands turned sideways. Battle had about as much budget
>as
>the average TV movie.
>Does anyone have the excellent Apes Archives cards? They are great!

_____________

I must have missed this message...What is this address for? I've been
having a little trouble getting messages last week.
Not from the list but from the Hotmail account.
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:30:23 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/26/00 1:03:17 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:
>
><< Sling me a link! . . . or just the address would be cool. >>
>
>Here it is, but write first to make sure it's available!
>Stephen M. Russo
>Box 3250
>McCormack Station
>Boston, MA 02101-3250

_____________

In a message dated 9/27/00 2:47:44 PM, cosmicraye@... writes:

<< I read it!! I stayed up all night...okay, just until 2:00 a.m. >>

I hope that reading it didn't make you late for work! I'm glad you liked it.
Originally, I had an idea where Odysseus and Charon would become a couple and
have a child, but then decided against it. I wanted Odysseus to see that
there just was no haven for him. If I had decided to create my own continuity
rather than follow Apes (the world is going to end in 3977 - I believe that
3955 was an error in Brent's ship) that would have happened. Odysseus would
have still died, but the child would have looked human and had ESPer
abilities.

In a message dated 9/27/00 2:52:20 PM, cosmicraye@... writes:

<< >Here it is, but write first to make sure it's available!

>Stephen M. Russo
>Box 3250
>McCormack Station
>Boston, MA 02101-3250 >>

This address is for a guy who sells MAD MAX in it's Australian version on
NTSC VHS.

You have *got* to remember this story!! It sounds to good to be left in
limbo somewhere. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am POTA fan
fiction starved!!!! I don't remember anything by way of fanzines, and I was
too young to go to conventions. Star Trek was doing a lot of that, though.
Does anyone remember?
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Fan Fiction
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:50:38 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/26/00 9:45:14 PM, locutusatwolf359@... writes:
>
><< Overall great work! >>
>
>All I can say is thank you. I am humbled by your praise. Will I write
>anymore, only time will tell. A long time ago, when I was in Junior High, I
>wrote an alternate end to Beneath where Zaius shoots Ursus, Taylor and
>Brent
>deactivate the bomb and Earth gets invaded by aliens, forcing the Apes and
>Astro's to work together. Nova lives and gives birth to Taylors son and
>it's
>Brent who takes Taylors ship, with Dr. Milo back to warn Earth. that was
>how
>it ended. I wish I still had that darn story.

_____________

It would be cool, too, if they could do it in 3-D. Not something cheap, but
something like the Michael Jackson 3-D at Disney..That was awsome! And I
think Apes would be awsome and scary as hell!
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:22:53 EDT
>
>In a message dated 09/25/2000 7:47:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
>JSe3689836@... writes:
>
><< Maybe a hundred years from now they'll be
> debating the upcoming holographic remake of POTA! >>
>
>Yeah, I hope the new game takes advantage of the advances in game
>technology,
>unlike the DVD, which I understand, could have been better, given the story
>depth in the world of Apes. I hope they don't just toss something off, to
>coincide with the movie release.

_____________

Who knows? If the Flick is really big, they just might do some kind of 3D
thing, maybe a ride. Everyone gets loaded into a wagon mock-up, fly through
Ape City, get hosed down by Julius. Look out for Marcus! Duck!!!!!!
John

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>Muliti System VCRs play tapes from other countries. US system is NTSC.

The

>Aussie system is PAL (which also plays on SECAM - the British System).

Almost right! The British system is also PAL, SECAM tends to be used by
other European countries (I think) - which means I'll have to get round to
ordering the sets sometime.

Alan

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>I must say I saw Mad Max (didn't the US rename it as The Road Warrior, or
>was that Mad Max 2?)

I believe Mad Max 2 became The Road Warrior because the first film, at that
point, had not received a wide release in the US - it was to stop audiences
thinking "Mad Max 2? What the hell was Mad Max?" I guess.

Alan

John <JSe3689836@...> wrote:

>Like your point about having the gorillas coming towards the camera. Make

The

>Hunt like the opening sequence of Private Ryan. Put the audience in the
>action. Almost like a hologram. Maybe a hundred years from now they'll be
>debating the upcoming holographic remake of POTA! Later, John

Mmmmmm, holographic Nova...

Alan

Pete Harrison <pasta@...> wrote:

>john, hope you're right, i hope the remake/rethink/sequel is good. i'll go
>see it no matter what.... should be getting the complete apes tv series in
>the mail by the end of the week..let's see, 14 eps times 50 mins apiece is
>almost 12 hours.......i've only seen 4 or 5 episodes, so i am thinking of
>watching them all in one sitting, god help me!

I hope it's not the first 4 or 5 you've seen - because the rest aren't
really as good as the first five or so in my opinion. And welcome to the
list!

Alan

Chris L <lawford42@...> wrote:

>4) Research project that I need an answer on ASAP- Several years back, I
>received a mail order catalog from a place that specializes in vinyl
>soundtracks. In it was a supposed soundtrack release for BATTLE. I called
>the place to make sure it wasn't a misprint and the guy told me no. As
>far as he knew, it contained both music and dialogue much like the
>BENEATH Lp did. Of course, I was more than broke at that point so I
>couldn't pick it up. Does anybody know if this item actually exists?

I remember you mentioning this before, but although I have no conclusive
proof, I would guess it doesn't exist. For an item like this to have been
made and not one pota fan to have heard of it doesn't seem likely to me - no
mentions here, on the web, in magazines, on e-Bay - I'd have to say it
doesn't look likely at all.

Unless maybe it was a bootleg?

Alan

Pete Harrison <pasta@...> wrote:

>This changes on a regular basis, though Escape usually holds firm in the 4
>or 5 position.....I am one of the few(?) folks that absolutely loves

Battle,

>Paul Williams and all!!!

I love Battle as well. Perhaps it's nostalgia as it's the first one I saw,
but I enjoy it way more than Escape.

Alan

Pete Harrison <pasta@...> wrote:

>The first concerns the adventures of a pair of teens, the human Jason, and
>the chimp Alexander, who are on the run from the gorilla Brutus. Started
>good, got a bit long winded, out of focus towards the end. Still, lots of
>good 70's style WEIRD STUFF!!!

Oh yeah! disembodied giant brains commanding mutant drones - it doesn't get
any better than that!

Alan

In a message dated 9/27/00 3:06:04 PM, cosmicraye@... writes:

<< You have *got* to remember this story!! >>

What story is this? I've been to plenty of Cons, in fact I was at the first
NY Trek con ever.

In a message dated 9/27/00 5:48:18 PM, JSe3689836@... writes:

<< Everyone gets loaded into a wagon mock-up, fly through
Ape City, get hosed down by Julius >>

It's a MADHOUSE! An ENTERTAINMENT MADHOUSE!

In a message dated 9/27/00 7:03:43 PM, alan@...
writes:

<< I love Battle as well. Perhaps it's nostalgia as it's the first one I saw,
but I enjoy it way more than Escape. >>

I'll throw my 2 cents into this list of favorites.
Planet
Conquest
Beneath
Escape
Battle

However, if we include the Vastly superior uncut BATTLE (Which I have) Then
battle and escape (first one I ever saw in the movies) are a tie.

Did anyone ever get to see all five in one sitting in the theaters? I did in
1974 as a graduation present from Junior High. They showed them in this order:
Escape Conquest Battle Planet Beneath. It was really cool.

In a message dated 9/27/00 7:06:53 PM, alan@...
writes:

<< I believe Mad Max 2 became The Road Warrior because the first film, at that
point, had not received a wide release in the US - it was to stop audiences
thinking "Mad Max 2? What the hell was Mad Max?" I guess. >>

Mad Max was a quickie release here in the US, which did well enough that
Warner Brothers grabbed the distribution rights to MM2, which they retitled
because in a poll, too many people thought of MM1 as "that highway movie". I
still think that the Road Warrior is the single greatest action film ever
made. No CGI, nothing that wasn't filmed exactly as we saw it made it on
screen. I reccomend the LTRBX version which has a short docu on MM2 that is
so cool.

My favorite scene is just after the crippled guy and the warrior woman (the
delectable Virginia Hey of Farscape) are pulled off the tanker. My man Max
leans out, blows this evil drivers head off (nicely done) then OBLITERATES
their car with his truck. Awesome scene.

alan, don't forget the monkey demons of the psychedrome and lightsmith
living in abe lincolns nose!!!!!!!
ph
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell <alan@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] TV Series/Austin Stoker

>Pete Harrison <pasta@...> wrote:
>>The first concerns the adventures of a pair of teens, the human Jason,

and

>>the chimp Alexander, who are on the run from the gorilla Brutus. Started
>>good, got a bit long winded, out of focus towards the end. Still, lots of
>>good 70's style WEIRD STUFF!!!
>
>Oh yeah! disembodied giant brains commanding mutant drones - it doesn't get
>any better than that!
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
>

Okay, here's the third attempt today to send this message!! The first one,
the cat stepped on the Enter buton and sent a blank message. The second
time I spelled 'group' wrong so it came back. This time I know I've got it
right!! Some days it just doesn't pay to turn on the 'puter, ya know?

Anyway, my faves in order are: Planet, Escape, Conquest, Battle,
Beneath....so there!! No blank messages and there better not be no bounce
backs!!!
*Lynne*
_____________

This idea would be so cool!! But then I'd be in trouble like I was at the
DisneyWorld Star Wars ride. One time, they were so empty that they left my
friend and I on it for about 6 consecutive times until they closed down the
ride for the night. Talk about dizzy!!! And we missed out on the Star Wars
fireworks and everything! But it was a *BLAST*! If they do a mock up wagon
ride, do we get to wear mock up costumes? Again, this would be so cool!!!
*Lynne*

>From: JSe3689836@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:47:20 EDT
>
>Who knows? If the Flick is really big, they just might do some kind of 3D
>thing, maybe a ride. Everyone gets loaded into a wagon mock-up, fly through
>Ape City, get hosed down by Julius. Look out for Marcus! Duck!!!!!!
>John

_____________

At 10:16 PM 9/27/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Anyway, my faves in order are: Planet, Escape, Conquest, Battle,
>Beneath....so there!! No blank messages and there better not be no bounce
>backs!!!
> *Lynne*

That's just exactly how I'd rank them too, although I have to qualify my
rankings a bit by saying that the first movie is SO perfect, SO flawless, SO
much of EVERYTHING that a classic film should be, that nothing else, not
the sequels, not any other film, compares to its pure, perfect, majestic
splendor.

After that, Escape is my favorite of the sequels -- don't ask me why, I
can't explain it, it just is -- followed by the other three, all just about
tied for third place compared to the other two, but definitely some are
better than others when compared with each other.

Beneath has things about it that are really outstanding, but on the whole,
it's just plain too weird for me to really enjoy it from front to back.

Battle is a cute movie, also with notable features, but not enough of them
that it stands on its own -- by which I mean: would anybody enjoy it or
even watch it with interest, without knowing what went on in the first
four films? I don't think so....

Conquest does stand on its own, however, and is probably my second
favorite of the four sequels; it has a very incongruous ending though,
which makes it difficult for me to rate it any higher in the rankings that
this.

--

Brian C. Madsen
BCMadsen@...
(work: brian.madsen@...)
http://home.earthlink.net/~bcmadsen/

The story about the ending change for Planet. It sounded so good I'd hate
for it to be lost forever!

I go to a media con in Michigan, at least I used to. I didn't go this year
being transfered to Florida and all. The name of it is MediaWest Con and it
is held every year on Memorial Day weekend. You'd better get tickets early,
they sell out fast, but the con is a blast. I helped start a Star Wars
roleplay that ended up on Sunday nights and we take over the whole hotel
with it. It would be great if there could be a POTA con where we could do
roleplay. I went to the Ren Fest here in Tampa Bay and the park where they
held it reminded me so much of POTA and Ape City, I just got to thinking
this would be a great idea!! Any one else have a thought on this? Want to
get one started? Maybe invite special Guests? *Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Fan Fiction
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:20:01 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/27/00 3:06:04 PM, cosmicraye@... writes:
>
><< You have *got* to remember this story!! >>
>
>What story is this? I've been to plenty of Cons, in fact I was at the first
>NY Trek con ever.

_____________

I've never seen them in the theaters all together, but I do hold POTA
parties every once and a while, does that count? How can we contact someone
to show that there is an interest in seeing them in the theaters? Who do we
contact? Fox, I guess, right? I'd love to put a bug in someones ear about
this, having seem Star Wars and Star Trek like this. Your legs go numb and
the line for the bathrooms is stunning and daunting at the same time, but
it's a lot of fun.
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Lots o' Odds & Ends
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:39:54 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/27/00 7:03:43 PM, alan@...
>writes:
>
><< I love Battle as well. Perhaps it's nostalgia as it's the first one I
>saw,
>but I enjoy it way more than Escape. >>
>
>I'll throw my 2 cents into this list of favorites.
>Planet
>Conquest
>Beneath
>Escape
>Battle
>
>However, if we include the Vastly superior uncut BATTLE (Which I have) Then
>battle and escape (first one I ever saw in the movies) are a tie.
>
>Did anyone ever get to see all five in one sitting in the theaters? I did
>in
>1974 as a graduation present from Junior High. They showed them in this
>order:
>Escape Conquest Battle Planet Beneath. It was really cool.

_____________

The older I get, though, the more I like the beginning of Escape better than
the last part. And after Roddy's passing, I don't know maybe I'm weird, but
it seems to bother me more than it did before. I absolutely love the music
in Escape where Zira and Cornelius go into the hotel room!! And they did
not include it on the CD!! So I had to make a tape for myself to include
that part into the soundtrack.
*Lynne*

>From: "Brian C. Madsen" <BCMadsen@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@...
>Subject: Re: [pota] Favorite Ape Movies Part Three!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:34:00 -0700
>
>At 10:16 PM 9/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Anyway, my faves in order are: Planet, Escape, Conquest, Battle,
> >Beneath....so there!! No blank messages and there better not be no
>bounce
> >backs!!!
> > *Lynne*
>
>That's just exactly how I'd rank them too, although I have to qualify my
>rankings a bit by saying that the first movie is SO perfect, SO flawless,
>SO
>much of EVERYTHING that a classic film should be, that nothing else, not
>the sequels, not any other film, compares to its pure, perfect, majestic
>splendor.
>
>After that, Escape is my favorite of the sequels -- don't ask me why, I
>can't explain it, it just is -- followed by the other three, all just about
>tied for third place compared to the other two, but definitely some are
>better than others when compared with each other.
>
>Beneath has things about it that are really outstanding, but on the whole,
>it's just plain too weird for me to really enjoy it from front to back.
>
>Battle is a cute movie, also with notable features, but not enough of them
>that it stands on its own -- by which I mean: would anybody enjoy it or
>even watch it with interest, without knowing what went on in the first
>four films? I don't think so....
>
>Conquest does stand on its own, however, and is probably my second
>favorite of the four sequels; it has a very incongruous ending though,
>which makes it difficult for me to rate it any higher in the rankings that
>this.
>
>--
>
>Brian C. Madsen
>BCMadsen@...
>(work: brian.madsen@...)
>http://home.earthlink.net/~bcmadsen/
>

_____________

> Anyway, my faves in order are: Planet, Escape, Conquest, Battle,
> Beneath....so there!! No blank messages and there better not be no bounce
> backs!!!
> *Lynne*

Favorites here are:
1> Planet
2> Beneath
3> Conquest
4> Battle
5> Escape

6> Remake :o)

Alex

> This idea would be so cool!! But then I'd be in trouble like I was at the
> DisneyWorld Star Wars ride. One time, they were so empty that they left

my

> friend and I on it for about 6 consecutive times until they closed down

the

> ride for the night. Talk about dizzy!!! And we missed out on the Star

Wars

> fireworks and everything! But it was a *BLAST*! If they do a mock up

wagon

> ride, do we get to wear mock up costumes? Again, this would be so cool!!!
> *Lynne*

I use to love the Disney Parks, but now I won't go unless I purchase a 1 day
pass to all 4 parks. That way I can do the best rides and move on to the
next park. Best way to enjoy the Disney Parks when you've been there a
billion times.

My personal favorites are the Universal Parks, Universal Studios and Ilands
of Adventure. Those two parks really rock!
They have Holloween Parties at Universal every year during the month of
October with Universal cast members dressed it Monsters Suits.
Every year visiters ends up getting plastered and instead scare the hell out
of cast members.

Only in Florida.

Alex

There is a cd for Escape? I thought the only cd for any Apes film was that
Beneath soundtrack limited to 3,000 which I recently got. Of course I'm a
newbie so don't know what all is out there yet. If there are cd's to the
other films let me know cause I'd love to have them especially one for the
first film.

Loc

<<
The older I get, though, the more I like the beginning of Escape better than
the last part. And after Roddy's passing, I don't know maybe I'm weird, but
it seems to bother me more than it did before. I absolutely love the music
in Escape where Zira and Cornelius go into the hotel room!! And they did
not include it on the CD!! So I had to make a tape for myself to include
that part into the soundtrack.
*Lynne*
<<

Howdy folks,

How do new APE fans get to be POTA web-ring members?

Brian

Hello--

'Just thought I'd add my recommendation, to people thinking of ordering
videos, from Stephen Russo.

I'v known Steve since running into him at a convention in Massachussets,
in the mid-80s, and he's an extremely nice guy.

He also has just about everything there IS to have, on video!

:-)

(Steve was actually the guy, if memory serves, to come up with the once
"holy grail" (lol) of "lost" shows, ARK II....)

The onle thing some potential customers might be nervous about, is that
Steve refuses to give out his phone number.

Don't let that upset you .

In my experience--and that of many other folks'--Steve is highly reiable
to deal with.

And, if you do drop him a line, please tell him that Jim Burns says
hello!

Best, Jim Burns

Planet . . .The undisputed leader of the pack.
Escape . . . Has the most Kim Hunter screen time, but her character is killed
off
Beneath . . . Has the least Kim Hunter screen time, but it is still on the
Planet.
Conquest . . . No Kim Hunter but lots of Ape Action.
Battle . . . What can I say, except that they should have spent some more
money.

In a message dated 09/27/2000 6:45:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< My favorite scene is >>

Anything with the car . . .
Except the one where it gets wrecked.
Too bad the cammed blower kept messing up and they had to fake it with an
electric motor. I love that car! It was the coolest, ever!

Hey Jim, how do I get in touch with Mr. Russo to see what he has for sale?

Loc

When I saw the marathon they where in release order.
But that way actually sounds cool, chronologically.

Yeah!

I thought Escape from Dino Island at Six Flags was great and worth the wait.
They should have something like that. Ride the runaway horse cart to the
subway beneath! Then blast off in the ship before the planet is destroyed!
Then there's a tornado in the sky as the rim of the earth . . . melts. And
splash down back in time.

In a message dated 09/27/2000 9:48:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< Who do we
contact? Fox, I guess, right? >>

I think you're on to something there Lynne.
Maybe we can't get a POTA theme park.
But I think if the new flick does well, they should set it up with the old
movies first.
Maybe for the premiere, or possibly the second run, in the major markets.

The soundtrack for Escape was tacked on the end of the latest CD release of
the Planet soundtrack. There is another CD that has Escape with another
movie. I think it's some other Jerry Goldsmith film soundtrack. But there
is no actual Escape CD.
Too short I guess.

<< Almost right! The British system is also PAL, SECAM tends to be used by
other European countries (I think) - which means I'll have to get round to
ordering the sets sometime. >>
Okay you guys!
Here! Here's a link for every format for every country in the World!
Now lets not hear any more about it.

<A HREF="http://www.centralhome.com/ballroomcountry/video_formats.htm">Video
formats of the World</A>
http://www.centralhome.com/ballroomcountry/video_formats.htm

In a message dated 09/28/2000 12:17:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
jameshburns@... writes:

<< the once "holy grail" (lol) of "lost" shows, ARK II.... >>

What's that? Refresh my memory...if I have one. Not sure I saw that one.

At 12:25 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote:

>There is a cd for Escape? I thought the only cd for any Apes film was that
>Beneath soundtrack limited to 3,000 which I recently got. Of course I'm a
>newbie so don't know what all is out there yet. If there are cd's to the
>other films let me know cause I'd love to have them especially one for the
>first film.

Several editions of the soundtrack to the first film have been produced,
and each time, they got more and more complete. The LP that was
released at the time didn't include "The Hunt", and about a decade ago
or so, an updated CD release added it as a special addition -- but that
was all that it added, which still left a whole lot of music unreleased on CD.

Then, about two or three years ago, Varese Sarabande (a leader in the
production of film music CD's) released a totally complete soundtrack --
including every last musical cue in the film. As a bonus, they arranged
the music in chronological order, which was different from what the
previous soundtracks had done.

As an additional bonus, Varese also included a 15 or 20 minute (I forget
exactly, and I'm too lazy to look it up) suite of music from Escape.

Now, one thing I want to make clear is that this is the original music
from both films, not a re-recording.

This disc is, in my opinion, an absolute must for any film music lover
and for any Apes fan. Bear in mind that there are many different
editions of the CD soundtrack of music from the first film, but you
should definitely be on the lookout for this particular Varese Sarabande
edition, because it's hands-down the very best of them all.

--

Brian C. Madsen
BCMadsen@...
(work: brian.madsen@...)
http://home.earthlink.net/~bcmadsen/

Thanks for the info! I found the POTA cd that you are talking about on amazon
and am going to order it. I listen to my Beneath cd every day so I can't wait
to get the first one.

Loc

<<
Several editions of the soundtrack to the first film have been produced,
and each time, they got more and more complete. The LP that was
released at the time didn't include "The Hunt", and about a decade ago
or so, an updated CD release added it as a special addition -- but that
was all that it added, which still left a whole lot of music unreleased on CD.

Then, about two or three years ago, Varese Sarabande (a leader in the
production of film music CD's) released a totally complete soundtrack --
including every last musical cue in the film. As a bonus, they arranged
the music in chronological order, which was different from what the
previous soundtracks had done.

As an additional bonus, Varese also included a 15 or 20 minute (I forget
exactly, and I'm too lazy to look it up) suite of music from Escape.

Now, one thing I want to make clear is that this is the original music
from both films, not a re-recording.

This disc is, in my opinion, an absolute must for any film music lover
and for any Apes fan. Bear in mind that there are many different
editions of the CD soundtrack of music from the first film, but you
should definitely be on the lookout for this particular Varese Sarabande
edition, because it's hands-down the very best of them all.

--

Brian C. Madsen
BCMadsen@...
(work: brian.madsen@...)
http://home.earthlink.net/~bcmadsen/

<<

Appy polly logies,

I was a bit brusque when someone suggested Leo DeCaprio as a possible Taylor.
He can indeed act as I recall from The Basketball Diaries and Gilbert Grape.
I just don't feel that making his the Taylor character would be good casting.

I'd go for Bruce Willis, Clooney, Mel Gibson, Russell Crowe, Clint Eastwood
or Connery with Tarrantino directing (bloodbath, orgy, illicit drug taking).
Think about it.....

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2000 19:26
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Favorite Ape Movies



Appy polly logies,

I was a bit brusque when someone suggested Leo DeCaprio as a possible
Taylor.
He can indeed act as I recall from The Basketball Diaries and Gilbert
Grape.
I just don't feel that making his the Taylor character would be good
casting.

In Response:

Stephen Russo's address has been listed here several times this
week--just do a search on his name here, or go through the week's
messages--

'Sorry: Don't have the time to look it up.

(My guess, by the way, is that Steve would have primo copies of the APES
TV shows...)

ARK II was the 1976, or 1977, Filmation show--Saturday mornings,
CBS--that picked up where Gene Roddenberry's GENESIS II/PLANET EARTH,
left off... Somewhere in the far future, travelling around a ravaged
earth in a DAMNATION ALLEY-type giant, futuristic, motor home, our
heroes attempted to "do good..." :-) The main cast was a bearded
blonde guy (who'd use a jet-pack, at times), an asian or hispanic gal,
an asian or hispanic teen, and a monkey... Guest-stars included
Jonathan Harris (LOST IN SPACE), Malachi Throne, and Vito Scotti....

'Hope you're all having a good week!

Best, Jim

Yeah, there's an Escape sequence tacked on to the new Planet of the Apes
soundtrack... it's #18 (track that is) on the CD. Nice work, a lot that
wasn't released in the movie. Now I'll have to go dig it out 'cause I have
a hankering to hear it now.
*Lynne*

>From: locutusatwolf359@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Favorite Ape Movies Part Three!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:25:54 EDT
>
>There is a cd for Escape? I thought the only cd for any Apes film was that
>Beneath soundtrack limited to 3,000 which I recently got. Of course I'm a
>newbie so don't know what all is out there yet. If there are cd's to the
>other films let me know cause I'd love to have them especially one for the
>first film.
>
>Loc
>
><<
>The older I get, though, the more I like the beginning of Escape better
>than
>the last part. And after Roddy's passing, I don't know maybe I'm weird,
>but
>it seems to bother me more than it did before. I absolutely love the music
>in Escape where Zira and Cornelius go into the hotel room!! And they did
>not include it on the CD!! So I had to make a tape for myself to include
>that part into the soundtrack.
> *Lynne*
><<

_____________

Japanese bootleg specialists "Pony Express" released a superior
version of the entire "Escape" score on CD... Sometimes coupled with
"The Mephisto Waltz" sometimes not.

.html

Japanese bootleg specialists "Pony Express" released a superior version of the entire "Escape" score on CD...

 

And a most excellent CD it is!! :o)

 

Alex

<.html

Oh,

Thanks Jim. I thought it was an Apes episode I missed.

Those are some cool ideas,

Though Clit and Connery are a bit old, they're though guys. They could take
a beatin'. But Burton tends not to work with those guy. Reason enough for
him to branch out and broaden his horizons.

Some new remake news has been posted on the "Forbidden Zone" site

http://members.nbci.com/planetofapes/index.html"

Glad you liked the suggestions.

Plot wise, I'd also be looking at the possibility that Stewart had actually
landed BEFORE the other 3, was the only one to be released, and had a little
adventure herself before "Escaping", but not closing the hatch properly -
hence Zaius' preparation for the coming of bright eyes. I worked on a rough
story along those lines a long time ago - lost it now. I also attempted to
explain away plot holes at the same time (obviously favouring the philosophy
that there WAS an extinction of cats and dogs as per Zira's claims and that
the Conquest scenario was an alternative time line triggered by the
appearance of the 3 Ape-O-Nauts).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:01
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Favorite Ape Movies




Those are some cool ideas,

Though Clit and Connery are a bit old, they're though guys. They could take
a beatin'. But Burton tends not to work with those guy. Reason enough for
him to branch out and broaden his horizons.

In a message dated 9/28/00 2:14:40 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Too bad the cammed blower kept messing up and they had to fake it with an
electric motor. I love that car! It was the coolest, ever! >>

"The last of the V-8 interceptors, would've been a shame to blow it up, eh?"

In a message dated 9/28/00 2:34:04 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< ARK II >>

Was a saturday morning show that had a group of people trying to bring
civlization back to earth. It had a talking chimp named Adam and a cool
vehicle (The Arc). That's all I remember. Early 70's I think. Live action.

Brian C. Madsen <BCMadsen@...> wrote:

>Battle is a cute movie, also with notable features, but not enough of them
>that it stands on its own -- by which I mean: would anybody enjoy it or
>even watch it with interest, without knowing what went on in the first
>four films? I don't think so....

Gonna have to disagree with you there, I'm living proof!

I'd no idea what Planet of the Apes was until, as a wee boy, I saw Battle on
TV. I was rooted to my seat for the duration, eyes glued to the TV.

Alan

Dave Ballard <dballard@...> wrote:

>Japanese bootleg specialists "Pony Express" released a superior
>version of the entire "Escape" score on CD... Sometimes coupled with
>"The Mephisto Waltz" sometimes not.

Yep, it's sometimes paired with Goldsmith's Damnation Alley on another
bootleg, although I've heard the quality isn't too good - which is a shame,
because Damnation Alley's a very nice piece of work.

Alan

In a message dated 9/28/00 7:21:25 PM, alan@...
writes:

<< because Damnation Alley's a very nice piece of work. >>

You have to be talking about the music because that movie, well, stunk. Only
thing they got right was the machine they rode in, which has showed up in
several other TV shows, including "Get a Life" as the paperboy 2000.

Have any of you seen TIME OF THE APES? I saw this on MST3000 (where it
rightfully deserved to be, like the show or not). It's about these kids and
their teacher who go into suspended animation and wake up in the future when
apes (in really crummy makeup) run the earth! It's a rip off of POTA and it
is HILARIOUS. It has to be seen to be believed!

Dave:

I received the plans for the spaceship. Fantastic and wonderfull!
This is a godsend and I owe you a debt of gratitude. I will
begin on the scratchbuilt version as soon as I finish another project
which is in its final stages. I will be posting images of it and the
stages of completion on this egroup so STAY TUNED ALL!!!

This will be the 4 foot model like the one that they used in the
"sinking" scene, except with a complete interior, fiber optic lights
(I am a networker and we throw away miles of the stuff) and ofcourse
working hatches and periscope. I have wanted to do this model since
I first seen it back in 1967 and I intend on doing it right.

You are so cool!

Larry Montgomery

>From: Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Update
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:06:24 +0100
>
>Some new remake news has been posted on the "Forbidden Zone" site
>
>http://members.nbci.com/planetofapes/index.html"

_____________

<Mithril1960@...> wrote:

><< because Damnation Alley's a very nice piece of work. >>
>
>You have to be talking about the music because that movie, well, stunk.

Only

>thing they got right was the machine they rode in, which has showed up in
>several other TV shows, including "Get a Life" as the paperboy 2000.

Yeah, I was talking about the music.

Although to be honest, I think Damnation Alley is one of those films that's
so bad it's good. I like it anyway.

Alan

Say, would anyone out there with the Apes soundtracks be willing to copy them
onto a cassette? I would pay postage both ways as well as send a blank
cassette for the soundtrack as well as a blank cassette for the recorder to
keep for themselves.

http://www.custom-concepts.com/modelp.htm
_____________

In a message dated 09/28/2000 7:26:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

> Have any of you seen TIME OF THE APES? I saw this on MST3000 (where it
> rightfully deserved to be, like the show or not). It's about these kids

and

> their teacher who go into suspended animation and wake up in the future

when

>
> apes (in really crummy makeup) run the earth! It's a rip off of POTA and

it

> is HILARIOUS. It has to be seen to be believed!

Yeah, I've seen this movie. I saw it on MST3K, as a matter of fact. It is
pretty funny. It's probably one of my favorite MST3K episodes, but
considering how many of those there are, that distinction might be pretty
meaningless. <g>


PMilam

In a message dated 9/28/0 7:27:21 PM, soylentphil@... writes:

<< http://www.custom-concepts.com/modelp.htm >>

Some great sculting going on. Better than the Medicom faces?

Hmmmmmm, Noooo-vaaa!

You betcha! Me Taylor, You Nova!

In a message dated 9/28/00 8:26:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< Although to be honest, I think Damnation Alley is one of those films that's
so bad it's good. I like it anyway. >>


I've always liked it as well.... of course, I like "end of the world"
scenarios in general, so it doesn't have to be too critically-acclaimed for
me. Remember "Ravagers"? "Cherry 2000"? "Ultimate Warrior"? I even liked
"The Postman", with Costner. And "Battle" is my 2nd favorite of the ape
movies... what can I say? How about that "Escape" was my *least* favorite of
the 5... it was just kind of boring to me. I mean, why would I want to see
Earth, modern day, apes or no apes??? (at least in "Conquest" they were
rebelling and fighting to take us over... that was cool)

KG
"Now we descend into oblivion or, we enter the great book of history."

I went to an "Ape-oThon" in Montreal in November of '99. It was a blast. I
think a POTA Con would be a great idea. Never organized anything like that
but it would be great to look in to. John

I have to agree that end of the world scenarios are really great.
I wish that in the end of "Beneath" that somehow Taylor and Brent
would have gotten away and started their own colony with the
humans though. I mean just to think of what they could have done.

The possibilities make my head swim...

>From: NorthbyNW@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Favorite Ape Movies Part Three!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:31:14 EDT
>
>In a message dated 9/28/00 8:26:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>alan@... writes:
>
><< Although to be honest, I think Damnation Alley is one of those films
>that's
> so bad it's good. I like it anyway. >>
>
>
> I've always liked it as well.... of course, I like "end of the world"
>scenarios in general, so it doesn't have to be too critically-acclaimed for
>me. Remember "Ravagers"? "Cherry 2000"? "Ultimate Warrior"? I even liked
>"The Postman", with Costner. And "Battle" is my 2nd favorite of the ape
>movies... what can I say? How about that "Escape" was my *least* favorite
>of
>the 5... it was just kind of boring to me. I mean, why would I want to see
>Earth, modern day, apes or no apes??? (at least in "Conquest" they were
>rebelling and fighting to take us over... that was cool)
>
>KG
>"Now we descend into oblivion or, we enter the great book of history."

_____________

I totally agree! I would definitly go.

>From: JSe3689836@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Fan Fiction
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:33:39 EDT
>
>I went to an "Ape-oThon" in Montreal in November of '99. It was a blast. I
>think a POTA Con would be a great idea. Never organized anything like that
>but it would be great to look in to. John

_____________

I totally agree! I would definitly go.

>From: JSe3689836@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Fan Fiction
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:33:39 EDT
>
>I went to an "Ape-oThon" in Montreal in November of '99. It was a blast. I
>think a POTA Con would be a great idea. Never organized anything like that
>but it would be great to look in to. John

_____________

--- In pota@egroups.com, Dave Ballard <dballard@c...> wrote:

> Some new remake news has been posted on the "Forbidden Zone" site
>
> http://members.nbci.com/planetofapes/index.html"

I realize at this point that it's essentially anathema around here to
admit you're actually looking forward to the new Apes movie. And so,
I'll confess again ... I'm looking forward to it. It's basically a
given to say everyone's been burned by big-budget blockbusters, and
it's perfectly healthy to be scared when the Hollywood money
machine's making a sequel, et al. Seen it, taped it, etc. However,
all the news that's been leaking seems pretty intriguing. And with
Burton & Baker at the helm, at the worst it would be dull ... not a
trainwreck like "Island of Dr Moreau" (albeit an utterly fascinating
trainwreck). As has been said around here before, the originals will
always be there. OK, I'm rambling ... back to the forbidden zone, as
it were.

RPB
polyholiday.com/century

> I have to agree that end of the world scenarios are really great.
> I wish that in the end of "Beneath" that somehow Taylor and Brent
> would have gotten away and started their own colony with the
> humans though. I mean just to think of what they could have done.
>
> The possibilities make my head swim...

I agree, Beneath was the first POTA film I ever saw back in the early 70s,
and I thought for sure they would get out of that mess at the end.
But to my surprise, WHAT A SHOCKER!

It made me sad in the end, but what an excellent film.
Life's reality: Life's a bitch then you die.

Alex

> Have any of you seen TIME OF THE APES? I saw this on MST3000 (where it
> rightfully deserved to be, like the show or not). It's about these kids

and

> their teacher who go into suspended animation and wake up in the future

when

> apes (in really crummy makeup) run the earth! It's a rip off of POTA and

it

> is HILARIOUS. It has to be seen to be believed!

I have a copy of it, and your right, it sucks but really funny!

Alex

> In a message dated 9/28/0 7:27:21 PM, soylentphil@... writes:
>
> << http://www.custom-concepts.com/modelp.htm >>
>
> Some great sculting going on. Better than the Medicom faces?

Dude, that is kick ass!
Long live the King!

Wow!

Alex

<< that movie, well, stunk. Only thing they got right was the machine they
rode in, which has showed up in several other TV shows, including "Get a
Life" as the paperboy 2000.

Although to be honest, I think Damnation Alley is one of those films that's
so bad it's good. I like it anyway. >>

Did anyone ever see Warrior of the Lost World? It had Donald Plesence and
that Paper Chase guy Robert Ginty from The Exterminator. Remember Mega
Weapon? Now there was a machine!!!

Yes,
I saw Time of the Apes.
I thought about buying it but though it might not be as funny without the
MST3K guys.

In a message dated 09/28/2000 7:31:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
pmilam3362@... writes:

<< It's probably one of my favorite MST3K episodes, but
considering how many of those there are, that distinction might be pretty
meaningless. >>

Yeah, remember Eegah?
Stemlo

In a message dated 09/28/2000 8:15:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< his will be the 4 foot model like the one that they used in the
"sinking" scene, except with a complete interior, fiber optic lights >>

I wonder why they never did a plastic one.
Lost in Space Jupiter 2 . . . What the hell is that!?!
They have everything else from the Planet of the Apes, why not the ship?

In a message dated 09/28/2000 8:42:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< I have to agree that end of the world scenarios are really great.
I wish that in the end of "Beneath" that somehow Taylor and Brent
would have gotten away and started their own colony with the
humans though. I mean just to think of what they could have done.

The possibilities make my head swim... >>


When they had plans in Beneath for the hybrid kid . . .
I wonder who the parents were. That'll make your head swim!

In a message dated 09/28/2000 8:56:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

<< I went to an "Ape-oThon" in Montreal in November of '99. It was a blast. I
think a POTA Con would be a great idea. Never organized anything like that
but it would be great to look in to. John

>>

The Buckaroo Banzai Group had an on-line convention, with chat rooms and
links to seller and other items. It was tough for every one in the group to
visit the few hours it was on, but an idea anyway.

I don't know about yous guys,

But I don't know about a bunch of gibbons and mandrills running around on the
planet of the Apes. Yeah, sure, technically gibbons are apes, but even
though the book was called Monkey Planet there weren't any monkeys on it!
Just Chimps, Gorillas and Orangutans. It's not called Planet of the Baboons
for cryin' out loud!
Howler monkeys? Someone's been hittin' the pipe! They've gone too far. Why
not have talking spider monkeys? Give 'em all giant arms and a prehensile
tail. I don't mind them being a bit more expressive, but I don't want them
making a monkey of my apes! Now I am offended! And as a punk rocker, that's
something only this and a few of today's commercials can do. You think Tim
Burton's unhappy? Let me moon them with my Big Red Baboon Butt!

Dave:

I received the plans for the spaceship. Fantastic and wonderfull!
This is a godsend and I owe you a debt of gratitude. I will
begin on the scratchbuilt version as soon as I finish another project
which is in its final stages. I will be posting images of it and the
stages of completion on this egroup so STAY TUNED ALL!!!

This will be the 4 foot model like the one that they used in the
"sinking" scene, except with a complete interior, fiber optic lights
(I am a networker and we throw away miles of the stuff) and ofcourse
working hatches and periscope. I have wanted to do this model since
I first seen it back in 1967 and I intend on doing it right.

You are so cool!

Larry Montgomery

>From: Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Update
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:06:24 +0100
>
>Some new remake news has been posted on the "Forbidden Zone" site
>
>http://members.nbci.com/planetofapes/index.html"

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