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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Poster Spoted!

Cool,

I just got one on e-bay for $80.00, this one is 4ft. by 8ft.

Just make sure the theatre manager doesn't hear about e-bay.

Keep him away from the internet! 

 

hehehe!!!

 

Alex

----- Original Message -----

From: Simonie and Rick

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Poster Spoted!

Sweet.  I also spotted a huge banner for the movie here in Washington, same gorilla teaser pic.  It's about 8 ft by 6ft.  Already getting in good with the theatre manager...

 

Rick

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:28 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA Poster Spoted!

Hey Gang,

Just got back from Disney World, I was at a local movie theatre at Downtown Disney and spoted the Gorilla Teaser Poster in the lobby of the theater, send chills up my spine! I have to admit I wanted to take it home with me, frame and all.

hehehe!!

 

I was hoping they had the other two but no chance, heck even the movie magazines aren't showing anything. Thery're really keeping this thing under wraps!

 

Merry Christmas and a happy 2001!

 

Alex

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>From: "Alexander Ruiz"

>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com

>To:

>Subject: [pota] Teaser Poster

>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:21:48 -0500

>

>Sorry about that Lynne.

>It was the teaser Gorilla poster I was talking about. As for the "stolen pic" all POTA poster copyrights belong to 20th Century Fox and not to e-bay. And I do run a fan site supporting 20th Century Fox, so I don't see how it can be stolen?

>

>Can't wait to see the next too teaser posters.

>Super Bowl commercial here we come!!!

>

>Yeah Baby...Yeah!

>

>Alex

>

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Does anyone know if the preview is being shown at the theaters?  I spent this weekend seeing 'What Women Want' and 'Dracula 2000', breathlessly awaiting something, anything....nothing!  I thought sure they'd put it up for Christmas!

Well, I myself was hopeing to see it, I went to see Cast Away (very good by the way) and the teaser gorilla poster was right at the enterance of it for all to see. If and when it does come out, I'm sure darkhorizons.com will have it on the site. This guy is on top of every film coming out, and for sure he'll have the teaser trailer posted on the site.

That on top of the fact that Access Hollywood and Entertainment Tonight will preview it on their shows once released. So there are a few events to look out for before we know for sure.

The Super Bowl Commercial is most likely as FOX released TITAN A.E. last year during the event. I just hope it's soon, the suspence is diving me crazy! :o)

Alex

 

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>From: "Alexander Ruiz"

:

>Subject: Re: [pota] The Gorilla TEASER poster

> Sorry Lynne, but that did sound pretty low.

>

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I hve been out of it for awhile, but I must have missed something.  I don't remember the post and I didn't save it ...no card and no room on the box.  Refresh my memory and I'll try to revive some brain cells!!

                                         *Lynne*

"Stolen Pic"?

 

Alex

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Jack Krueger wrote:

  Hey folks. . . ...   The same issue says Fox did a presentation for the film in house on Oct. 24 at the Beverly Wilshire hotel, complete with 10 apes running around (was that YOU, Brian?).                                                                                       - - - - Jeff Krueger
Nope!  This is the first I've even heard of it!  Arrgh!

B
 
 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Dumont

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:19 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Beverly Wilshire hotel

 

Jack Krueger wrote:

  Hey folks. . . ...   The same issue says Fox did a presentation for the film in house on Oct. 24 at the Beverly Wilshire hotel, complete with 10 apes running around (was that YOU, Brian?).                                                                                       - - - - Jeff Krueger
Nope!  This is the first I've even heard of it!  Arrgh!

B
 
 

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Merry Apesmas!!!

& A Happy New Movie!!!!!


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----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Harrison

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 11:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] NEW POTA Teaser!

Looks great!!!!!!!!!!!

pjh

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz <prophecysite@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:22 PM
Subject: [pota] NEW POTA Teaser!

Okay Gang,

The new POTA Teaser is OUT!

 

well....sort of.

It's at: www.prophecysite.com/thevisitor.mpg

It's about 2.8 megs in size.

 

Hope you enjoy it!

 

Alex

 

 

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I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a cassette to
throw in the player...

A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar bin," an
old tape, by a band called "T'Pau." I had some change burning a hole in
my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of
encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about a band
that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic STAR
TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr. Spock's
hoe-world)....

I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I
SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the
album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....

I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever reason,
I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went through
the morning's EMAIL...

As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test
shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that the band
was singing about--

MONKEYS.

I checked the song list on the casette cover:

TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:

"Monkey House"

A very strange cooincidence, indeed!

Best, Jim Burns

Ahem.

That should have read, "Mr. Spock's home world," not "hoe world."

Although, it occurs to me, that might have provided for an entirely DIFFERENT kind of episode....

:-)

My typoes, and I, send our apologies.

Best, Jim

Ah yes, Planet of the Hoes!
pjh
-----Original Message-----
From: jim burns <jameshburns@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 9:55 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Strange Apes Synchronocity...

>Ahem.
>
>That should have read, "Mr. Spock's home world," not "hoe world."
>
>Although, it occurs to me, that might have provided for an entirely

DIFFERENT kind of episode....

>
>:-)
>
>My typoes, and I, send our apologies.
>
>Best, Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Reading some of the correspondence, there is a mention that these photos are
NOT from the new remake, but are from make-up tests a few years ago that
Burton did not like. Is that right?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 December 2000 17:33
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Holy crap

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=7776

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Reading some of the correspondence, there is a mention that these photos are
NOT from the new remake, but are from make-up tests a few years ago that
Burton did not like.  Is that right?

Michael

 

Well, I think it's more of a Hoax than anything else, I find it hard to believe that Rick Baker had anything to do with that makeup.

We're talking oscar winner here, not turkey of the year award.

 

Aint it Cool News clearly has no love for POTA, I remember when he was making fun of Walhberg when he saw that is first sceen kiss was to be with an ape!

Well, the jokes on him, because anyone who knows Rick Baker's work, clearly knows Aint it Cool News is full it.

 

Alex

 

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I don't know, this looks pretty much in line with the shorter muzzle but
still looks like an ape take. Nice detailing.I like the bristely hair on the
chins. Keep in mind that the costumes may not have much to do with the
final product. I think it looks like a very good start to things. - Jeff



At 04:12 PM 12/26/2000 -0500, you wrote:

> Reading some of the correspondence, there is a mention that these photos are
> NOT from the new remake, but are from make-up tests a few years ago that
> Burton did not like. Is that right?
>
> Michael
>
> Well, I think it's more of a Hoax than anything else, I find it hard to

believe that Rick Baker had anything to do with that makeup.

> We're talking oscar winner here, not turkey of the year award.
>
> Aint it Cool News clearly has no love for POTA, I remember when he was

making fun of Walhberg when he saw that is first sceen kiss was to be with
an ape!

> Well, the jokes on him, because anyone who knows Rick Baker's work,

clearly knows Aint it Cool News is full it.

>
> Alex
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I don't know, this looks pretty much in line with the shorter muzzle but
still looks like an ape take. Nice detailing.I like the bristely hair on the
chins.  Keep in mind that the costumes may not have much to do with the
final product. I think it looks like a very good start to things.

 - Jeff

 

Well, a first test on the makeup yes, but final result, I find that hard to believe. But of course I could be wrong. I guess we'll find out with the first teaser trailer, and, I'm hopeing, Super Bowl Commecial.

 

The first thing that came to my mind when seeing these pics was that this will be the genetic ape that travels to the past (pics of both young and old age) while the ones that Wahlberg encounters when he arrives will be the more evolved (sharper) looking apes.

As we see on the teaser poster.

 

For it this is a final result, God I hope I'm right.

The problem is that the more realalistic you make the apes look, the more laughable it can be. The apes in the original didn't look 100% real and therefore it looked more unique. (awesome!)

 

Alex

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>From: "Alexander Ruiz"

>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com

>To:

>Subject: [pota] NEW POTA Teaser!

>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:23:10 -0500

>

>Okay Gang,

>The new POTA Teaser is OUT!

>

>well....sort of.

>It's at: www.prophecysite.com/thevisitor.mpg

>It's about 2.8 megs in size.

>

>Hope you enjoy it!

>

>Alex

>

>

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Oh, Man, Alex!!  I'm in tears here!!  Not to much of a teaser, but it is something I thought I'd never hear!!  Go Apes!!!Yeah!!!!

                                            *Lynne*

Thanks Lynne,

I threw that teaser trailer together in a few minutes, as soon as media coverage begins on both cable and regular networks I'll then be able to make MP3 music files as I did with the classic films along with better teaser trailers and music videos.

 

We're talking mega fanzine here!

It's just a matter of time. 

 

Alex

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Yeah, I went to Crouching Tigers, Hidden Dragons, but being at a landmark
Deco movie palace that specializes in Art/Repetory cinema films little chance
of catching the trailer there, thought the one for Malkivich & DeFoe in
Nosferatu looked interesting. I'm putting my bet on the Superbowl! Instead
of the game I'll be taping the commercials, hoping to catch a glimpse of
Apes. BTW, do yourself a favor and see Crouching Tiger! It is with out a
doubt the most awesome film of the Millennium!

So, does anyone no for sure if these are Rick's or Stan's tests?
Man, I sure hope they make the Princess better than these geezers,
or Marky's going to have to make his first stop at The Planet of the Booze!

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 2:02 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Trailers

Yeah, I went to Crouching Tigers, Hidden Dragons, but being at a landmark
Deco movie palace that specializes in Art/Repetory cinema films little chance
of catching the trailer there, thought the one for Malkivich & DeFoe in
Nosferatu looked interesting.  I'm putting my bet on the Superbowl!  Instead
of the game I'll be taping the commercials, hoping to catch a glimpse of
Apes.  BTW, do yourself a favor and see Crouching Tiger!  It is with out a
doubt the most awesome film of the Millennium!

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Belated holiday greetings to everyone! I've been busy running
around doin' that holiday thing and I haven't had a chance to do much
posting. And there's still relatives coming this week. Like Lloyd
Bridges said "Looks like I picked the wrong week to....(fill in the
blank). Anyhow, I hope everyone enjoyed the holidays. Love that
teaser poster. "Rule the Planet" indeed! The helmet reminded me of
the St. Louis Rams logo. "Now starting for the injured Kurt Warner is
Ursus! And he's driving the humans down the field!!!" I'm hoping
Super Bowl commercial too. Usually word leaks out beforehand, we'll
keep our eyes and ears open. The Forbidden Zone had a blurb about an
Estella Warren interview in Fashion magazine. Says she's taking
bareback riding & archery lessons for POTA. Also, she says that she
has a thin gauze costume. Very thin. I don't know, doesn't sound as
sexy as tree bark, but we'll see. A little something for all you Nova
fans out there (and you know who you are!) That's it for now, see you
all later, go Apes! John

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Best POTA referenced song has to be from a band called 'dada' and
titled "A trip with my Dad"
'I took a trip, a trip with my Dad
I packed the lunches, he scored the 'tabs
We took his wagon
And all of my tapes
The road was our Planet
And we were the Apes'

Check it out on "dada"- El Subliminoso. Very cool disc w/ or w/o the
reference.

--- In pota@egroups.com, jameshburns@w... wrote:
>
> I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a
cassette to
> throw in the player...
>
> A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar
bin," an
> old tape, by a band called "T'Pau." I had some change burning a
hole in
> my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of
> encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about a band
> that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic
STAR
> TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr.
Spock's
> hoe-world)....
>
> I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I
> SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the
> album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....
>
> I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever
reason,
> I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went
through
> the morning's EMAIL...
>
> As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test
> shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that the
band
> was singing about--
>
> MONKEYS.
>
> I checked the song list on the casette cover:
>
> TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:
>
> "Monkey House"
>
> A very strange cooincidence, indeed!
>
> Best, Jim Burns

--- In pota@egroups.com, jameshburns@w... wrote:

>
> I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a

cassette to

> throw in the player...
>
> A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar

bin," an

> old tape, by a band called "T'Pau." I had some change burning a

hole in

> my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of
> encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about a band
> that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic

STAR

> TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr.

Spock's

> hoe-world)....
>
> I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I
> SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the
> album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....
>
> I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever

reason,

> I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went

through

> the morning's EMAIL...
>
> As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test
> shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that the

band

> was singing about--
>
> MONKEYS.
>
> I checked the song list on the casette cover:
>
> TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:
>
> "Monkey House"
>
> A very strange cooincidence, indeed!
>
> Best, Jim Burns

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----- Original Message -----

From: atetrack@...

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 8:04 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Strange Apes Synchronocity...

Best POTA referenced song has to be from a band called 'dada' and
titled  "A trip with my Dad" 
       'I took a trip, a trip with my Dad
       I packed the lunches, he scored the 'tabs
       We took his wagon
       And all of my tapes
       The road was our Planet
       And we were the Apes'

Check it out on "dada"- El Subliminoso.  Very cool disc w/ or w/o the
reference.
      

--- In pota@egroups.com, jameshburns@w... wrote:
>
> I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a
cassette to
> throw in the player...
>
> A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar
bin," an
> old tape, by a band called "T'Pau."  I had some change burning a
hole in
> my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of
> encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about  a band
> that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic
STAR
> TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr.
Spock's
> hoe-world)....
>
> I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I
> SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the
> album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....
>
> I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever
reason,
> I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went
through
> the morning's EMAIL...
>
> As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test
> shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that  the
band
> was singing about--
>
> MONKEYS.
>
> I checked the song list on the casette cover:
>
> TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:
>
> "Monkey House"
>
> A very strange cooincidence, indeed!
>
> Best, Jim Burns

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>From: "Alexander Ruiz"

>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com

>To:

>Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Strange Apes Synchronocity...

>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:03:22 -0500

>

>dada...hummm.

>I'll see if they have it at napster.

>

>The teaser trailer has been updated with more graphics and larger at 320X240 and still at 2.8 Megs...how interesting.

>

>See at: www.prophecysite.com/thevisitor.mpg

>

>Enjoy!

>

>Alex

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: atetrack@...

> To: pota@egroups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 8:04 PM

> Subject: [pota] Re: Strange Apes Synchronocity...

>

>

> Best POTA referenced song has to be from a band called 'dada' and

> titled "A trip with my Dad"

> 'I took a trip, a trip with my Dad

> I packed the lunches, he scored the 'tabs

> We took his wagon

> And all of my tapes

> The road was our Planet

> And we were the Apes'

>

> Check it out on "dada"- El Subliminoso. Very cool disc w/ or w/o the

> reference.

>

>

> --- In pota@egroups.com, jameshburns@w... wrote:

> >

> > I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a

> cassette to

> > throw in the player...

> >

> > A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar

> bin," an

> > old tape, by a band called "T'Pau." I had some change burning a

> hole in

> > my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of

> > encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about a band

> > that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic

> STAR

> > TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr.

> Spock's

> > hoe-world)....

> >

> > I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I

> > SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the

> > album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....

> >

> > I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever

> reason,

> > I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went

> through

> > the morning's EMAIL...

> >

> > As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test

> > shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that the

> band

> > was singing about--

> >

> > MONKEYS.

> >

> > I checked the song list on the casette cover:

> >

> > TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:

> >

> > "Monkey House"

> >

> > A very strange cooincidence, indeed!

> >

> > Best, Jim Burns

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Simonie and Rick

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:17 PM

Subject: [pota] Get thee to Coming Attractions

If you haven't been there yet, get there NOW.  There's 17 pics posted today which were taken secretly on location, I think in Arizona, maybe California.  Awesome location shots many showing a spaceship protruding from the ground.

 

Rick

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                                          *Lynne*

>From: "Alexander Ruiz"

>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com

>To:

>Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Strange Apes Synchronocity...

>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:03:22 -0500

>

>dada...hummm.

>I'll see if they have it at napster.

>

>The teaser trailer has been updated with more graphics and larger at 320X240 and still at 2.8 Megs...how interesting.

>

>See at: www.prophecysite.com/thevisitor.mpg

>

>Enjoy!

>

>Alex

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: atetrack@...

> To: pota@egroups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 8:04 PM

> Subject: [pota] Re: Strange Apes Synchronocity...

>

>

> Best POTA referenced song has to be from a band called 'dada' and

> titled "A trip with my Dad"

> 'I took a trip, a trip with my Dad

> I packed the lunches, he scored the 'tabs

> We took his wagon

> And all of my tapes

> The road was our Planet

> And we were the Apes'

>

> Check it out on "dada"- El Subliminoso. Very cool disc w/ or w/o the

> reference.

>

>

> --- In pota@egroups.com, jameshburns@w... wrote:

> >

> > I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a

> cassette to

> > throw in the player...

> >

> > A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar

> bin," an

> > old tape, by a band called "T'Pau." I had some change burning a

> hole in

> > my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of

> > encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about a band

> > that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic

> STAR

> > TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr.

> Spock's

> > hoe-world)....

> >

> > I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I

> > SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the

> > album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....

> >

> > I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever

> reason,

> > I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went

> through

> > the morning's EMAIL...

> >

> > As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test

> > shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that the

> band

> > was singing about--

> >

> > MONKEYS.

> >

> > I checked the song list on the casette cover:

> >

> > TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:

> >

> > "Monkey House"

> >

> > A very strange cooincidence, indeed!

> >

> > Best, Jim Burns

>

>

> eGroups Sponsor

>

>

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Alex-

I love ya man, but you're insane. These makeups are incredible.
They're creeping me out, they look so good.

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:
> Reading some of the correspondence, there is a mention that these
photos are
> NOT from the new remake, but are from make-up tests a few years
ago that
> Burton did not like. Is that right?
>
> Michael
>
> Well, I think it's more of a Hoax than anything else, I find it
hard to believe that Rick Baker had anything to do with that makeup.
> We're talking oscar winner here, not turkey of the year award.
>
> Aint it Cool News clearly has no love for POTA, I remember when
he was making fun of Walhberg when he saw that is first sceen kiss
was to be with an ape!
> Well, the jokes on him, because anyone who knows Rick Baker's
work, clearly knows Aint it Cool News is full it.
>
> Alex

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----- Original Message -----

From: Simonie and Rick

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:17 PM

Subject: [pota] Get thee to Coming Attractions

If you haven't been there yet, get there NOW.  There's 17 pics posted today which were taken secretly on location, I think in Arizona, maybe California.  Awesome location shots many showing a spaceship protruding from the ground.

 

Rick

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--- In pota@egroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Help me out here - where do I find "Coming Attractions?".

http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/apes.html"

>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 14:45
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Get thee to Coming Attractions
>
>
> Rick buddy...
> YOU ARE THE MAN!
>
> Thanks for sharing that with us!
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simonie and Rick
> To: pota@egroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:17 PM
> Subject: [pota] Get thee to Coming Attractions
>
>
> If you haven't been there yet, get there NOW. There's 17 pics

posted

> today which were taken secretly on location, I think in Arizona,

maybe

> California. Awesome location shots many showing a spaceship

protruding from

> the ground.
>
> Rick
>
>
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Alex-

I love ya man, but you're insane. These makeups are incredible.
They're creeping me out, they look so good.

Alright, so maybe I'm a little insane.

And your right, the makeup does look good, I just freaked out over the older ape picture. I hope they use him on a background scene somewhere.

Somewhere on a far off mountain top.

 

hehehe!!

 

Believe me man, I don't mind, I haven't seen anything new on apes for over 20 years. So hear me now and believe me later, I'll be watching this film with a "woody". (sorry ladies)

 

The makeup looks fine buddy.

Rick Baker is going to win another oscar for this that's for sure.

 

Alex

 

 

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Alex-

I love ya man, but you're insane. These makeups are incredible.
They're creeping me out, they look so good.

Alright, so maybe I'm a little insane.

And your right, the makeup does look good, I just freaked out over the older ape picture. I hope they use him on a background scene somewhere.

Somewhere on a far off mountain top.

 

hehehe!!

 

Believe me man, I don't mind, I haven't seen anything new on apes for over 20 years. So hear me now and believe me later, I'll be watching this film with a "woody". (sorry ladies)

 

The makeup looks fine buddy.

Rick Baker is going to win another oscar for this that's for sure.

 

Alex

 

 

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.html What's the link? I must have missed it.
Hmm..missing ...link?

I'll check it out and let you know once you direct me in the right direction.
Thanks,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

  Guys,I really think this is a hoax and NONE of these characters have anything to do with the new film.Ken, do they look anything like the make-up you saw in your "sneak-preview"?Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [mailto:prophecysite@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 16:43
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Holy crap indeed!

Alex-

I love ya man, but you're insane. These makeups are incredible.
They're creeping me out, they look so good.Alright, so maybe I'm a little insane.And your right, the makeup does look good, I just freaked out over the older ape picture. I hope they use him on a background scene somewhere.Somewhere on a far off mountain top. hehehe!! Believe me man, I don't mind, I haven't seen anything new on apes for over 20 years. So hear me now and believe me later, I'll be watching this film with a "woody". (sorry ladies) The makeup looks fine buddy.Rick Baker is going to win another oscar for this that's for sure. Alex 

 

 

 

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Sensational!.
Anyone got any more?

atetrack@... wrote:

> Best POTA referenced song has to be from a band called 'dada' and
> titled "A trip with my Dad"
> 'I took a trip, a trip with my Dad
> I packed the lunches, he scored the 'tabs
> We took his wagon
> And all of my tapes
> The road was our Planet
> And we were the Apes'
>
> Check it out on "dada"- El Subliminoso. Very cool disc w/ or w/o the
> reference.
>
>
> --- In pota@egroups.com, jameshburns@w... wrote:
> >
> > I was getting ready to hop on the internet, when I pulled a
> cassette to
> > throw in the player...
> >
> > A few years back, I had picked up, in a record store's "dollar
> bin," an
> > old tape, by a band called "T'Pau." I had some change burning a
> hole in
> > my pocket, and I have to admit--with what I hoped wasn't a sign of
> > encroaching, incipient fan-boyism!--that I was curious about a band
> > that shared its name with thre Vulcan matriarch, from the classic
> STAR
> > TREK episode "Amok Time" (when they first skedaddled over to Mr.
> Spock's
> > hoe-world)....
> >
> > I don't know whatever happened to the female-fronted band--or if I
> > SHOULD have heard of them, long before--but TPAU (the title of the
> > album, as well), was released by Siren Records (Virgn), in '87....
> >
> > I had never listened to the tape's second side, so, for whatever
> reason,
> > I tossed it, into the player, a few minutes ago, as while I went
> through
> > the morning's EMAIL...
> >
> > As I was going through the Phil Nobile-fowarded makeup test
> > shots/article from the new movie, I suddenly realized, that the
> band
> > was singing about--
> >
> > MONKEYS.
> >
> > I checked the song list on the casette cover:
> >
> > TPAU Side Two, Song Number Three:
> >
> > "Monkey House"
> >
> > A very strange cooincidence, indeed!
> >
> > Best, Jim Burns
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 19:45
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Holy crap indeed!

What's the link? I must have missed it.
Hmm..missing ...link?

I'll check it out and let you know once you direct me in the right direction.
Thanks,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

  Guys,I really think this is a hoax and NONE of these characters have anything to do with the new film.Ken, do they look anything like the make-up you saw in your "sneak-preview"?Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [mailto:prophecysite@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 16:43
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Holy crap indeed!

Alex-

I love ya man, but you're insane. These makeups are incredible.
They're creeping me out, they look so good.Alright, so maybe I'm a little insane.And your right, the makeup does look good, I just freaked out over the older ape picture. I hope they use him on a background scene somewhere.Somewhere on a far off mountain top. hehehe!! Believe me man, I don't mind, I haven't seen anything new on apes for over 20 years. So hear me now and believe me later, I'll be watching this film with a "woody". (sorry ladies) The makeup looks fine buddy.Rick Baker is going to win another oscar for this that's for sure. Alex 

 

 

 

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Michael Whitty wrote:

 KenThe link is:http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=7776I think this is just a joke - the mekeup is either an OLD test never used or something not at all connected to Planet of the Apes.MIchael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [mailto:kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 19:45
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Holy crap indeed!

What's the link? I must have missed it.
Hmm..missing ...link?

I'll check it out and let you know once you direct me in the right direction.
Thanks,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

  Guys,I really think this is a hoax and NONE of these characters have anything to do with the new film.Ken, do they look anything like the make-up you saw in your "sneak-preview"?Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [mailto:prophecysite@...]
Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 16:43
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Holy crap indeed!

Alex-

I love ya man, but you're insane. These makeups are incredible.
They're creeping me out, they look so good.Alright, so maybe I'm a little insane.And your right, the makeup does look good, I just freaked out over the older ape picture. I hope they use him on a background scene somewhere.Somewhere on a far off mountain top. hehehe!! Believe me man, I don't mind, I haven't seen anything new on apes for over 20 years. So hear me now and believe me later, I'll be watching this film with a "woody". (sorry ladies) The makeup looks fine buddy.Rick Baker is going to win another oscar for this that's for sure. Alex

 

 

 

 

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It's certainly not a screen grab from the tape I've seen but the make up does look kind of similar. In the sizzle tape, there's a very short close up of Helena Bonnem Carter delivering some lines. It looked like a screen test. The make up was very simplistic but effective ( like the original). From memory, she didn't have as much facial hair as Zira.
So sorry, I can't be of assistance here. It could be legit...or maybe not.
Either way, it's only a matter of time before more pics are leaked.

Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

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Thanks Alex,
It's certainly not a screen grab from the tape I've seen but the make up does look kind of similar. In the sizzle tape, there's a very short close up of Helena Bonnem Carter delivering some lines. It looked like a screen test. The make up was very simplistic but effective ( like the original). From memory, she didn't have as much facial hair as Zira.
So sorry, I can't be of assistance here. It could be legit...or maybe not.
Either way, it's only a matter of time before more pics are leaked.

Best,
KEN

Thanks for the info Ken!

Believe me you've said enough, if no one is able to grab pics from the open video that you saw, how can they grab pics from a secret video kept under wraps?

Ain't it Cool News is full of HOGWASH! I guess I won't be seeing that older ape on a far mountain top!

hehehe!!

Hey everyone, Coming Attractions has added more pics on the site, GORILLA EXTRAS in half gear! Cool! Very Cool! You'll see it at the bottom of those desert crashed ship pics on the page.

Alex

 

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Hey everyone, Coming Attractions has added more pics on the site, GORILLA EXTRAS in half gear! Cool! Very Cool! You'll see it at the bottom of those desert crashed ship pics on the page.

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These costumes the Gorillas are wearing give me a vibe of something like the costumes worn in the very late "Terror on the Planet of the Apes" marvel comics - from (vague!) mempry there were some armour clad Scandinavian Apes.  I thought the same of the Helment in the teaser poster.

 

Michael

 

 

Well, Mike.

I don't know the first thing about this script only rumors of what has been said around the net. But if we're talking about a geneticly trasformed ape traveling backward in time followed by Wahlberg traveling "2000 YEARS IN THE PAST" and we see these Gorillas in Gladiator type costumes. We're talking about "ROMAN TIMES". Perhaps a change in the past by this genetic ape of the present leads to not only a change in the past but also in the future. "OUR TIME". So we may be seeing past present and future this apes film with it's sequals.

 

A total mind blower! But this is all pure guess work of course.

Other than that, I don't have a clue!

 

But I have a funny felling this movie is going to rock the house!

 

Alex

 

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These costumes the Gorillas are wearing give me a vibe of something like the costumes worn in the very late "Terror on the Planet of the Apes" marvel comics - from (vague!) mempry there were some armour clad Scandinavian Apes.  I thought the same of the Helment in the teaser poster.

 

Michael

 

 

Well, Mike.

I don't know the first thing about this script only rumors of what has been said around the net. But if we're talking about a geneticly trasformed ape traveling backward in time followed by Wahlberg traveling "2000 YEARS IN THE PAST" and we see these Gorillas in Gladiator type costumes. We're talking about "ROMAN TIMES". Perhaps a change in the past by this genetic ape of the present leads to not only a change in the past but also in the future. "OUR TIME". So we may be seeing past present and future this apes film with it's sequals.

 

A total mind blower! But this is all pure guess work of course.

Other than that, I don't have a clue!

 

But I have a funny felling this movie is going to rock the house!

 

Alex

 

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In a message dated 12/29/00 8:51:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< But I have a funny felling this movie is going to rock the house! >>

I like your optimism Alex. But I have the feeling We'll be saying, Wow that
was cool, but not what I expected, or hoped for. Don't get me wrong, I like
Tim Burton films. Though I don't have a single one in my vid collection.
And though I'm hoping for a Burton break through, I'll probably just get the
vid to complete the apes collection.
I did get the Scissorhands CD, but have only listened to it a couple of
times.

There are Tim Burton movies I've seen more than twice, thanks to cable, but
they don't have the playability to record or buy. I'd like to be as
optimistic as you, but when I heard about the monkeys, it seemed just another
strange world of Burton's imagination. A nice place to visit, but I don't
know how often I want to go back there.

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I have a really good feeling about this movie too.  There seems to be a "Terminator" feel to what you mention of the possible script - I hope it is closer to Terminator than to "Back to the Future"!

 

Michael

 

Well, if what I say is right, this film is going to take us way beyond where the original took us. Instead of present and future, we're talking past present and future!

And I bet you my bottom dollar that that ship crased in the desert is the genetic ape's ship. Notice how it's "half buried". That would mean that when Walhberg encouters it "2000 years in the Past" it would have arrived centuries before him!

 

What a mind blower!

But I have a strong feelin that that's only the beginning of what is instore in this film!

 

As for Burton, no matter how anyone feels about his films, just remember one little thing.

 

"EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY".

And if what I say is right this is going to be Tim Burton's day!

With one major kick ass film.

Talking humans or not, this is one great script.

 

Or as Roddy McDawall would say, "A mind Blower".

 

Alex

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I am a long time apes fan who has the films on VHS letterboxed. I did have
the entire run of the Marvel Magazine, but it went by the wayside years past,
which is too bad. I'm greeting the rethinking of Apes with a cynical mind. I
recently saw shots of the crashed ship and have to say, any ship that crashed
like that - no one would be walking away from. Does anyone know if there are
any plans to reissue the original Planet of the Apes Card set? I had some
when I was a kid and would love to get them again! I do have the Archives
part 1 set, any idea if Part 2 will ever be released?

I am not a number! I am a free man!

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I am not a number! I am a free man!

Hey free man!

For all your planet of the ape needs go to www.ebay.com

there you will fulfill all of your POTA dreams and then some.

Happy shopping.

 

And your right, no one can walk away from that crash, but not everything is what it seems to be. If you read the earlier post today you'll see how such a crash is possible to walk away from.

 

(clue)

The earth covers many secrets over the centuries.

For with time comes many earth layers.

 

Later buddy and a happy new POTA year to all!

Yeeee...Haaaa!!!

 

Alex

 

 

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> I thought the same when I saw it. Looks like a great

visual "apfifnany"- Another "doll in the cave" wake up call.

> > (clue)
> The earth covers many secrets over the centuries.
> For with time comes many earth layers.
>
> Later buddy and a happy new POTA year to all!
> Yeeee...Haaaa!!!
>
> Alex

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>   I thought the same when I saw it.  Looks like a great
visual "apfifnany"- Another "doll in the cave" wake up call.

That's exactly my point, but I see it as more of a half buried statue of liberty, then a doll in the cave. But because such a concept has already been done before with the original. This half buried space craft will only be the tip of the iceberg. Because if thier smart enough to come up with this concept of time for the script, their smart enough to come up with God knows what as a finaly.

 

But just think of the possible directions they can go with this, hell they can even make prequals on earlier ape/human wars in the stone age if that's how far this genetic ape traveled back. The stories can be endless on this kind of concept!

 

But truth be told, I don't want to know anymore than what I already feel it the storyline, nor will I post such a theory on my site, for the last thing I ever want to do is spoil this film for myself nor anyone else for that matter.

 

So word of advise, keep away from all spoilers on the web if you don't want to know anymore.

 

Alex

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/29/00 10:58:44 PM, prophecysite@... writes:

<< So word of advise, keep away from all spoilers on the web if you don't
want to know anymore. >>

I want to know everything. I want to read the script and see pics of the apes
makeup. Probably be another oscar for my main man, Rick Baker.

I am not a number! I am a free man!

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I want to know everything. I want to read the script and see pics of the apes
makeup. Probably be another oscar for my main man, Rick Baker.

I am not a number! I am a free man!

Well, as a free man you can do as you wish.

Pictures, scenes, sound clips, interviews, trialers and so on will be found on my site as time moves on. But script and story details won't be.

 

So as you can see, I am a free man as well.

 

Alex

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So what is the final story synopsis?
Cast?
All I know is Tim Burton, Mark Wahlberg and Rick Baker (who made the greatest
ape suits ever for Greystoke).

I am not a number! I am a free man!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Greetings

I want to know everything. I want to read the script and see pics of the apes
makeup. Probably be another oscar for my main man, Rick Baker.

I am not a number! I am a free man!

Well, as a free man you can do as you wish.

Pictures, scenes, sound clips, interviews, trialers and so on will be found on my site as time moves on. But script and story details won't be.

 

So as you can see, I am a free man as well.

 

Alex

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Nobody is showing 2001 in the UK. Not at all. I don't have it on video. I'm hoping one of my local arty cinemas will show it. It is at its best on the big screen. I've just finished reading the Odyssey Quartet, and would like to see the film again for comparison purposes.

Like POTA, it was a SF landmark.

Mark


 Here's what I have to say :

AICN: C'mon, Alex...don't be so hard on good 'ol "Ain't It Cool News". From what I can tell they are a big "Apes" booster. Founder Harry Knowles said the "Apes" DVD is "essential". They've devoted some prime net real estate to the new makeups. In theie current 2001 preview, harry calls the new "Apes"  "one of the most anticipated summer films in my book". And as for their recent photos, Harry went on record to say they are from the aborted Stan Winston attempts, not the current Rick Baker ones. I don't know if it's true or not, but he appears to be setting the record straight.

The pics: The 20 or so pictures on "Coming Attractions" look cool. Not much to go on production-wise but GREAT landscapes!! I'm just concerned that Burton doesn't think his scripts through and leaves lots of plotholes. William Broyles' script was supposedly "great" , according to the trades. So why is Burton bringing in the "Mighty Joe Young" hacks? I liked that the original "Apes" seemed literate and believable, and used Einsteinian theory. The main character of the new one is reportedly a "pilot", not an astronaut. How is he going to find a time warp? Sounds like TV plotting to me.

Super Bowl: Don't get your hopes up. I remember last year Fox was supposed to show a spot for "X-Men" during the Super Bowl but didn't, and "Apes" is coming out even later in the year (as is "Jurassic Park 3" , which comes out July 18, about a week before "Apes" - - - check out "Ain't It Cool News"' 2001 guide).

Ah, 2001...I'm very pleased "Apes" is coming out that year. I've always kinda connected "Apes" with Kubrick's 1968 flick. They came out about a month apart, both dealt with Man's destiny, both were groundbreakers in sci-fi. I wrote an article about the two in 1993. And now Spielberg is doing "A.I." for next year, which was to have been Kubrick's return to epic sci-fi for the first time since "2001", but for his death. Spielberg's doing it as a tribute to him. Arthur Jacobs was a big "2001" fan, compared it to the movie version of "Dune" he was working on, used "2001"'s FX expert Douglas Trumbull for tests on another Jacobs project "Journey of the Oceanauts" . And, according to Natalie Trundy, it was the film Jacobs watched the night he died. I don't know about you but I'm going to watch it this week.

                          Happy 2001 everybody.  - - - - - - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Ruiz <mailto:prophecysite@...>  
To: pota@egroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Greetings

I want to know everything. I want to read the script and see pics of the apes
makeup. Probably be another oscar for my main man, Rick Baker.

I am not a number! I am a free man!
Well, as a free man you can do as you wish.
Pictures, scenes, sound clips, interviews, trialers and so on will be found on my site as time moves on. But script and story details won't be.

So as you can see, I am a free man as well.

Alex

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In a message dated 12/30/00 8:56:37 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Harry went on record to say they are from the aborted Stan Winston
attempts, not the current Rick Baker ones. >>

Whew! Glad to hear it. Having primitive looking apes talk would make it less
believable. It would be like watching Lancelot Link Secret Chimp!

In a message dated 12/30/00 8:56:37 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Ah, 2001...I'm very pleased "Apes" is coming out that year. I've always
kinda connected "Apes" with Kubrick's 1968 flick. They came out about a month
apart, both dealt with Man's destiny, both were groundbreakers in sci-fi. >>

As I've said, just so long as Baker doesn't make his apes don't look like the
ones in 2001. Or I'll be bone flingin' mad!

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  Here's what I have to say :

 

AICN: C'mon, Alex...don't be so hard on good 'ol "Ain't It Cool News". From what I can tell they are a big "Apes" booster. Founder Harry Knowles said the "Apes" DVD is "essential". They've devoted some prime net real estate to the new makeups. In theie current 2001 preview, harry calls the new "Apes"  "one of the most anticipated summer films in my book". And as for their recent photos, Harry went on record to say they are from the aborted Stan Winston attempts, not the current Rick Baker ones. I don't know if it's true or not, but he appears to be setting the record straight.

 

Well, if Harry goes on record to say that then that's cool, but when it was first reported he claimed that these shots were only 2 MONTHS OLD.

I have nothing against Harry, I just believe in truth above all.

 

 

The pics: The 20 or so pictures on "Coming Attractions" look cool. Not much to go on production-wise but GREAT landscapes!! I'm just concerned that Burton doesn't think his scripts through and leaves lots of plotholes. William Broyles' script was supposedly "great" , according to the trades. So why is Burton bringing in the "Mighty Joe Young" hacks? I liked that the original "Apes" seemed literate and believable, and used Einsteinian theory. The main character of the new one is reportedly a "pilot", not an astronaut. How is he going to find a time warp? Sounds like TV plotting to me.

 

Oh come on Jeff, an ape that has been geneticly changed and traveling backward in time and changing the corse of human history is more believeable than apes growing to human size and talking over night.

Not to take away from the original concept (I love the original concept) But I would be the first to admit that this new concept is more believeable with the exception of time travel.  

 

 Super Bowl: Don't get your hopes up. I remember last year Fox was supposed to show a spot for "X-Men" during the Super Bowl but didn't, and "Apes" is coming out even later in the year (as is "Jurassic Park 3" , which comes out July 18, about a week before "Apes" - - - check out "Ain't It Cool News"' 2001 guide).

 

True, but TITAN A.E. did make it to the Superbowl, I'm not saying that it is. But the chances are clearly there.

 

Ah, 2001...I'm very pleased "Apes" is coming out that year. I've always kinda connected "Apes" with Kubrick's 1968 flick. They came out about a month apart, both dealt with Man's destiny, both were groundbreakers in sci-fi. I wrote an article about the two in 1993. And now Spielberg is doing "A.I." for next year, which was to have been Kubrick's return to epic sci-fi for the first time since "2001", but for his death. Spielberg's doing it as a tribute to him. Arthur Jacobs was a big "2001" fan, compared it to the movie version of "Dune" he was working on, used "2001"'s FX expert Douglas Trumbull for tests on another Jacobs project "Journey of the Oceanauts" . And, according to Natalie Trundy, it was the film Jacobs watched the night he died. I don't know about you but I'm going to watch it this week.

 

I love 2001, I have it on DVD, I bought it when it first came out over a year ago.

Excellent film!

 

Alex

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In a message dated 12/30/00 11:38:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
mark.gould@... writes:

<< It is at its best on the big screen. >>

Except you can't fast forward through the off the wall drawn out ending.
What were Kubrick and his editor on, that made them say "Yeah ten more
minutes this wacky music and psychedelic light show will be cool!" And even
Arthur C. Clarke didn't know what the ending meant, and he wrote it. Trying
to suss that out would make HAL's brain explode!

In a message dated 12/30/00 3:56:13 AM, williejoe@... writes:

<< Founder Harry Knowles said the "Apes" DVD is "essential". >>

They might have been 'essential' but they could have been better. How could
Fox possibly have not included the uncut version of Battle, which is way
superior to the aired version? They dropped the ball on that one!

I am not a number! I am a free man!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 6:34 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] 2001: An Ape Oddity

  Here's what I have to say :

 

AICN: C'mon, Alex...don't be so hard on good 'ol "Ain't It Cool News". From what I can tell they are a big "Apes" booster. Founder Harry Knowles said the "Apes" DVD is "essential". They've devoted some prime net real estate to the new makeups. In theie current 2001 preview, harry calls the new "Apes"  "one of the most anticipated summer films in my book". And as for their recent photos, Harry went on record to say they are from the aborted Stan Winston attempts, not the current Rick Baker ones. I don't know if it's true or not, but he appears to be setting the record straight.

 

Well, if Harry goes on record to say that then that's cool, but when it was first reported he claimed that these shots were only 2 MONTHS OLD.

I have nothing against Harry, I just believe in truth above all.

 

 

The pics: The 20 or so pictures on "Coming Attractions" look cool. Not much to go on production-wise but GREAT landscapes!! I'm just concerned that Burton doesn't think his scripts through and leaves lots of plotholes. William Broyles' script was supposedly "great" , according to the trades. So why is Burton bringing in the "Mighty Joe Young" hacks? I liked that the original "Apes" seemed literate and believable, and used Einsteinian theory. The main character of the new one is reportedly a "pilot", not an astronaut. How is he going to find a time warp? Sounds like TV plotting to me.

 

Oh come on Jeff, an ape that has been geneticly changed and traveling backward in time and changing the corse of human history is more believeable than apes growing to human size and talking over night.

Not to take away from the original concept (I love the original concept) But I would be the first to admit that this new concept is more believeable with the exception of time travel.  

 

 Super Bowl: Don't get your hopes up. I remember last year Fox was supposed to show a spot for "X-Men" during the Super Bowl but didn't, and "Apes" is coming out even later in the year (as is "Jurassic Park 3" , which comes out July 18, about a week before "Apes" - - - check out "Ain't It Cool News"' 2001 guide).

 

True, but TITAN A.E. did make it to the Superbowl, I'm not saying that it is. But the chances are clearly there.

 

Ah, 2001...I'm very pleased "Apes" is coming out that year. I've always kinda connected "Apes" with Kubrick's 1968 flick. They came out about a month apart, both dealt with Man's destiny, both were groundbreakers in sci-fi. I wrote an article about the two in 1993. And now Spielberg is doing "A.I." for next year, which was to have been Kubrick's return to epic sci-fi for the first time since "2001", but for his death. Spielberg's doing it as a tribute to him. Arthur Jacobs was a big "2001" fan, compared it to the movie version of "Dune" he was working on, used "2001"'s FX expert Douglas Trumbull for tests on another Jacobs project "Journey of the Oceanauts" . And, according to Natalie Trundy, it was the film Jacobs watched the night he died. I don't know about you but I'm going to watch it this week.

 

I love 2001, I have it on DVD, I bought it when it first came out over a year ago.

Excellent film!

 

Alex

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Aw, c'mon Alex. . . at least the human-size apes were the result of the production constraints of the time. They had to take people and slap makeup on them. But a script has no borders. Today they can create anything they can imagine. I'm not saying the originals were flawlessly scripted but overall they didn't bite off more than they could chew. I'm excited that the new one is about politics and war (new territory for Burton). I just hope Burton thinks things through more than his other films. In short, I want this to be the one that finally takes Burton to the next level.

                          - - - - Jeff Krueger

 

Well that's what I mean Jeff, for the constraints of the times the original was a great concept, even with dealing with to fears of cold war and it's possible aftermath. Fantastic Concept!

The Statue of Liberty scene will aways be an unforgetable one, hard to top as well as hard to match. That was cleary the peak of the mountian top and you can't climb higher than that. But this new concept is fresh and new, hell I never would have thought of it. I wish I did because I would have been clearly rollin the in dough!

 

As for Tim I cleary agree as well, I just hope he does a great jod with this, for with a script like this, he's clearly being given a bird in the hand.

 

Let's just see what happens.

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:29 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] 2001: An Alex Odyssey

Aw, c'mon Alex. . . at least the human-size apes were the result of the production constraints of the time. They had to take people and slap makeup on them. But a script has no borders. Today they can create anything they can imagine. I'm not saying the originals were flawlessly scripted but overall they didn't bite off more than they could chew. I'm excited that the new one is about politics and war (new territory for Burton). I just hope Burton thinks things through more than his other films. In short, I want this to be the one that finally takes Burton to the next level.

                          - - - - Jeff Krueger

 

Well that's what I mean Jeff, for the constraints of the times the original was a great concept, even with dealing with to fears of cold war and it's possible aftermath. Fantastic Concept!

The Statue of Liberty scene will aways be an unforgetable one, hard to top as well as hard to match. That was cleary the peak of the mountian top and you can't climb higher than that. But this new concept is fresh and new, hell I never would have thought of it. I wish I did because I would have been clearly rollin the in dough!

 

As for Tim I cleary agree as well, I just hope he does a great jod with this, for with a script like this, he's clearly being given a bird in the hand.

 

Let's just see what happens.

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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  I just checked out the Worldwide Box office chart at the Internet Movie Database. I was flabbergasted to learn that "Dinosaur is #2 with $1, 773,300,000 (that's over a billion); #1, "Titanic", made $1, 835,300,000. I'd heard "Dinosaur" was a flop but I guess that shows how much the press concentrates on the U.S. box-office. The Worldwide represents the U.S. and everywhere else. We've heard ad nauseum how well "Titanic" did but I've never heard "Dinosaur" get a pat on the back. Strange. As for Burton, worldwide his "Batman" is #34 with $413,100,000 (the next Batman on the list, "Batman Forever" is #61 with $335,000,000). Burton's "Batman Returns" is #97 with $282,800,000; and "Sleepy Hollow" is #171 with $202 million. That's where Burton stands on the blockbuster scale. - - - - Jeff Krueger

 

Indeed!

But ask yourself one important question:

Where did James Cameron stand before TITANIC?

Terminator, Aliens Abbys and so on...

But nowhere near TITANIC's billion mark, which only goes to show one important thing. There is a first time for everything.

 

Alex

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] 2000: A Box Officey

  I just checked out the Worldwide Box office chart at the Internet Movie Database. I was flabbergasted to learn that "Dinosaur is #2 with $1, 773,300,000 (that's over a billion); #1, "Titanic", made $1, 835,300,000. I'd heard "Dinosaur" was a flop but I guess that shows how much the press concentrates on the U.S. box-office. The Worldwide represents the U.S. and everywhere else. We've heard ad nauseum how well "Titanic" did but I've never heard "Dinosaur" get a pat on the back. Strange. As for Burton, worldwide his "Batman" is #34 with $413,100,000 (the next Batman on the list, "Batman Forever" is #61 with $335,000,000). Burton's "Batman Returns" is #97 with $282,800,000; and "Sleepy Hollow" is #171 with $202 million. That's where Burton stands on the blockbuster scale. - - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:29 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] 2001: An Alex Odyssey

Aw, c'mon Alex. . . at least the human-size apes were the result of the production constraints of the time. They had to take people and slap makeup on them. But a script has no borders. Today they can create anything they can imagine. I'm not saying the originals were flawlessly scripted but overall they didn't bite off more than they could chew. I'm excited that the new one is about politics and war (new territory for Burton). I just hope Burton thinks things through more than his other films. In short, I want this to be the one that finally takes Burton to the next level.

                          - - - - Jeff Krueger

 

Well that's what I mean Jeff, for the constraints of the times the original was a great concept, even with dealing with to fears of cold war and it's possible aftermath. Fantastic Concept!

The Statue of Liberty scene will aways be an unforgetable one, hard to top as well as hard to match. That was cleary the peak of the mountian top and you can't climb higher than that. But this new concept is fresh and new, hell I never would have thought of it. I wish I did because I would have been clearly rollin the in dough!

 

As for Tim I cleary agree as well, I just hope he does a great jod with this, for with a script like this, he's clearly being given a bird in the hand.

 

Let's just see what happens.

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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 Check it out: Worldwide, "Dinasaur" is #2, plus "Jurrassic Park" is # 4 ($919,700,000) and "Jurrassic Park 2" is #11 ($614,300,000) worldwide. Do people love dinosaurs or what? With "Jurassic Park 3" opening the week before, "Apes" has it's work cut out for it! - - - - Jeff K.

 

Agreed.

But even sequals at times run out of steam, and Planet of the Apes Remake has something Jurrassic Park 3 doesn't:

Mark Wahlberg: CHICK MAGNET.

 

I believe 20th Century Fox knows what their doing.

This movie will make enough to make 20th Century Fox very happy, and happy enough to make a sequal, Comic Books, Toys, Cartoon Series, you name it.

 

20th Century Fox is not going to loss on this deal, I promise you that.

 

Alex

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In a message dated 12/30/00 12:26:23 PM, prophecysite@... writes:

<< 20th Century Fox is not going to loss on this deal, I promise you that >>

Of course not, even if it sucks, there's always Cable/Free TV/DVD and VHS
rights to be sold. As well as a novelization which is probably being written
right now.

There is a fifth dimension beyond those known to man. It is a dimension vast
as space and timeless as infinity. It is an area we call... the Mithril Zone.

In a message dated 12/30/00 11:29:42 AM, prophecysite@... writes:

<< As for Tim I cleary agree as well, I just hope he does a great jod with
this, for with a script like this, he's clearly being given a bird in the
hand. >>

If he can do half as good as he did on Sleepy Hollow, it will be a good film.
I just don't like or trust remakes. Calling it a 're-thinking' is just
putting on a new face. I did just re-read the original novel (got it in
hardback really cheap) and it was just as enthralling - if dull in some parts
- as I remembered. I had all the movie adaptations at one time. The worst one
was Battle, but that was because it was written from the original script and
had some ideas, like a radiated Ceasar, that were (wisely) dropped.
How many people out there are aware that the Apes films were the first ones
to be heavily merchandised? It's because of this that Films today get the
heavy marketing approach. Also the Apes model kits have been released!

There is a fifth dimension beyond those known to man. It is a dimension vast
as space and timeless as infinity. It is an area we call... the Mithril Zone.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:58:30 -0800 "Jack Krueger"
<williejoe@...> writes:

> Arthur Jacobs was a big "2001" fan, compared it to the movie version
> of "Dune" he was working on, used "2001"'s FX expert Douglas
> Trumbull for tests on another Jacobs project "Journey of the
> Oceanauts" . And, according to Natalie Trundy, it was the film
> Jacobs watched the night he died. I don't know about you but I'm
> going to watch it this week.
>
> Happy 2001 everybody. - - - - - - - -

He was watching 2001 or Journey of the Oceanauts?


Chris L.
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prophecysite@... writes:
Sez....

Oh come on Jeff, an ape that has been genetically changed and traveling
backward in time and changing the coarse of human history is more
believable than apes growing to human size and talking over night.

Not to take away from the original concept (I love the original concept)
But I would be the first to admit that this new concept is more believable
with the exception of time travel.  

      Now come on!  Here it is 2001 and we know genetic engineering is not
only possible it is now a reality.  It stands to reason that after the dog
and cat plague when they decided to have apes as pets and slaves they would
tweak the genes a bit.  That would take only one generation.  How else would
they make apes more like human workers than splicing in a human gene or two.  
      It stands to reason that genetic manipulation was as far fetched in
the 70's as time travel is today.  Granted there are more problems with it
i.e. Grandfather paradoxes, time space continuum disruptions etc.... But if
you could ride the worm hole from a black hole to a white hole, who knows
what you might find?  You have to suspension of disbelief.  It is after all
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.htmlIn a message dated 12/30/00 4:30:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
prophecysite@... writes:

The Statue of Liberty scene will aways be an unforgetable one, hard to top
as well as hard to match.

I'm still pissed off with Fox for putting that image on the new releases.  It
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At least Fox isn't in financial trouble and Zanuck isn't relying on Apes
profits to bail out the studio this time.  But that may not be enough to save
this version.  With chick magnets instead of top noch actors, and monkeys
with the apes, I smell a Star Wars Ewok factor creeping in with them.  If it
turns out to be Hollywood crap, screw 'em!  I'll make a proper remake
independantly.  I could do it with a couple of good actors and the fans
working for scale!<.html

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At least Fox isn't in financial trouble and Zanuck isn't relying on Apes
profits to bail out the studio this time.  But that may not be enough to save
this version.  With chick magnets instead of top noch actors, and monkeys
with the apes, I smell a Star Wars Ewok factor creeping in with them.  If it
turns out to be Hollywood crap, screw 'em!  I'll make a proper remake
independantly.  I could do it with a couple of good actors and the fans
working for scale!

 

Well, we can all debate theories until we're all blue in the face.

And in the end we're only going to believe our point of views, as there are those who see the cup half empty and there are those who see the cup half full.

 

But when showtime comes, the cup will not be half empty, nor will it be half full, the cup will be overflowing!

 

Best,

 

Alex 

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In a message dated 12/30/00 8:33:21 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I'm still pissed off with Fox for putting that image on the new releases.
It
ruins the ending for an entire new generation who hasn't seen it yet! >>

Not really, it's so well known and has been reproduced in so many magazines
that just having it on the tape/DVD doesn't really harm anything. I've seen
Planet at least 500 times and that scene always gets me.

There is a fifth dimension beyond those known to man. It is a dimension vast
as space and timeless as infinity. It is an area we call... the Mithril Zone.

Happy New Year to all. Only 1,977 years to go to the Great
Cornfield Roundup! Or 1,954 years, depending on your point of view.
Get your nets & clubs now and beat the rush. Go Apes, John

In a message dated 12/31/00 11:30:03 AM, JSe3689836@... writes:

<< 1,977 >>

I'll go with this one since it's based on Planet. I think Brents ship's
chrono was broken and the when Zira saw Taylors, it was already counting
back. I wish Fox would have done a better job on the Apes DVD's, they should
have added the unused footage from the beginning of Escape (even as an extra)
that showed the apes in the spaceship as well as the uncut Battle.

There is a fifth dimension beyond those known to man. It is a dimension vast
as space and timeless as infinity. It is an area we call... the Mithril Zone.

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Hey gang,

Just to positively set the record straight, the images floating around of
the supposedly rejected Rick Baker test make-ups are actually tests that
Stan Winston's crew had done some time ago. The tests are actually Stan
and his son, Matt.

Brian


PS: Have you guys seen the latest Kubrick figures? The ape-o-nauts are
hysterical! I'll send a photo next e-mail!

I just got the AHKA Mattricide and well while a lot of it isn't
really directly Apes related there is a really funny tune called _We
Want Guns_ and it's hillarious. Basically General Aldo's "we want
guns, guns are power" sampled in a loop and a funky drum thing
underneath it with some crazee sounding horns and guitars.

I mapy mp3 it and put it online for folks if they are interested.

cheers...

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Here's the Kubrick Ape-O-Naut set.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Dumont

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:20 AM

Subject: [pota] Setting the record straight

Hey gang,

Just to positively set the record straight, the images floating around of
the supposedly rejected Rick Baker test make-ups are actually tests that
Stan Winston's crew had done some time ago.  The tests are actually Stan
and his son, Matt.

Brian


PS:  Have you guys seen the latest Kubrick figures?  The ape-o-nauts are
hysterical!  I'll send a photo next e-mail!

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I just got the AHKA Mattricide and well while a lot of it isn't
really directly Apes related there is a really funny tune called _We
Want Guns_ and it's hillarious. Basically General Aldo's "we want
guns, guns are power" sampled in a loop and a funky drum thing
underneath it with some crazee sounding horns and guitars.

I mapy mp3 it and put it online for folks if they are interested.

cheers...

 

A few weeks ago I would have asked you if you would like to post it on the site but I'm just about mp3ed out and I'm now prepared to remove a few of the ones I have on my site as well as a few music videos. I'm now only going to remian with about 3 each.

 

The greatest demand right now is remake, and so no more updates will be added to the original and all focus will now be added to the remake section of the site. A few things have to be finalised on the original section like the Escape, Conquest and Battle films, but other than that the main focus will now be REMAKE. But I'm sure there are many here who would be interested.

 

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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Here's a shot of the Chuck Heston Taylor figure. He, Nova, and Aldo are
all excellently sculpted and painted- the line is looking better and
better as it goes.

Ape Lego no less ---- !

> Here's the Kubrick Ape-O-Naut set.
>
> Brian
>
>
>

Any of our UK ape-o-philes know if anywhere over here is importing these? I
think the whole series (or at least all the ones I've seen) are cool. I
found some places that were importing the Medicom figures, but I gather
these lego-style sets are going to be harder to get hold of (some kind of
licensing thing I think).

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: 03 January 2001 15:26
Subject: [pota] Kubrick Ape-o-nauts

>Here's the Kubrick Ape-O-Naut set.
>
>Brian
>
>
>

Hi Alan,

I saw some in London's Forbidden Planet just before Xmas. but not the
Ape-o-nauts

Hey Gang,

Here are some of my sources for the Medicom and Kubrick figures:

1: Felix Lu info@.... P.O. Box 186, Moraga, CA 94556

2: Peter Payne <jlist@...>

3: Julian @ "WHY Workshop" <whyshop@...> (A bit slow, but he get's
the job done)

Later,

Brian

Alan Maxwell wrote:

> Any of our UK ape-o-philes know if anywhere over here is importing these? I
> think the whole series (or at least all the ones I've seen) are cool. I
> found some places that were importing the Medicom figures, but I gather
> these lego-style sets are going to be harder to get hold of (some kind of
> licensing thing I think).
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
> To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> Date: 03 January 2001 15:26
> Subject: [pota] Kubrick Ape-o-nauts
>
> >Here's the Kubrick Ape-O-Naut set.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >
> >

Dave Ballard <dballard@...> wrote:

>I saw some in London's Forbidden Planet just before Xmas. but not the
>Ape-o-nauts

Thanks Dave - that's where I saw the Medicom figures too...

What sort of price range were they?

Alan

It was inevitable folks, but it's here. New APE pix of the characters
have hit the internet.

<http://americanmule.com/pota/>

The cat's out of the bag now.

EAT 'EM UP!!!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Dumont

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:22 AM

Subject: [pota] NEW APES PIX

It was inevitable folks, but it's here.  New APE pix of the characters
have hit the internet.

<http://americanmule.com/pota/>

The cat's out of the bag now.

EAT 'EM UP!!!

Brian

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