.htmlClick here: http://www.geocities.com/rankostome5/planetofapes67.txt

Just found this on the web.  The entire script to the original film, for
anyone who's never read it.

-- Rory<.html

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Hey Chris, oh yeah, always liked the POTA week on the 4:30 Movie. Part
one would end with "Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!!!!"
Then they would show Beneath, then Escape. I seem to remember that Wednesday
would be some "Afterschool Special" Ah, memories.........John

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Hey Alex,

"Bite your tongue, woman!"

Brian

hehehe!!!

Believe me Brian my site ain't going nowhere. It will remain on line. But you may want to double check the link too your Mr. T vs. POTA, that's why I though it was off line.

Best,

Alex

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Thanks to everyone who answered my questions, via Terry. I'm currently going
through replies from Terry and those that came via John Roche in England. I
shold be getting onto the whole phenomenon, fans and fanzines and the
continuing popularity next week.

I'm trying to reach Alexander Ruiz, but don't have a complete email address
for him and Terry is away at the moment. Can anyone help out?

Brian

 

Look no further,

Alexander Ruiz is here on the e-group.

My e-mail address is: prophecysite@...

The e-mail is also posted at the bottom of the main page of the site.

 

If I can help you with anything just let me know.

 

Best,

 

Alex 

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Click here: Mr.T vs. POTA page 1

Hey Alex --

I guess it survives somewhere out there in the forbidden zone of POTA sites.

Best,

-- Rory

 

 

Cool!

Thanks Rory.

 

Alex

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.html Hi Mike,

I believe the "Caesar Land's Ape" as they call it is the limited edition.  Did I goof again?

B

Michael Whitty wrote:

Brian,

Are you sure the Caesar WITH chain is the variant?

I think it is actually the Caesar WITHOUT chain - can you help?

Michael

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Todays Liz Smith column has the following ...." BAD NEWS on another
remake front. Mark Wahlberg, who stars in the new version of "Planet of the
Apes", does not don the skimpy loincloth made famous by Charlton Heston. In
fact, it was agreed beforehand that Mark wouldn't be required to expose too
much of his famous form. He's a serious actor now. We hate it when they get
serious!" What, and Heston wasn't a serious actor when he did POTA? His
name on the flick helped get it made. Well, whatever.....I just hope Estella
looks good. Oh, and another Liz Smith POTA connection. I got a pressbook
for POTA (autographed by Linda H) and in the section showing various ads,
some have the blurb " Planet of the Apes Is A Blockbluster. Fascinating!" Liz
Smith, Cosmopolitan " Very perceptive Liz. Later John

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.htmlAlex --

If you know the plot of the new APES, please keep it to yourself.  I don't
want to know.  If there really is a surprise ending for this film, I'd like
to be surprised when I see it.  I just hope I don't have to move into the
desert to keep from hearing it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlYeah, John, I've been looking at that Liz Smith quote in the pressbook since
the seventies.  I'd like to read her entire review, but I've never been able
to find it.  Anybody out there got it?

-- Rory<.html

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Alex --

If you know the plot of the new APES, please keep it to yourself.  I don't
want to know.  If there really is a surprise ending for this film, I'd like
to be surprised when I see it.  I just hope I don't have to move into the
desert to keep from hearing it.

-- Rory

 

MY LIPS ARE SEALED.

 

BEST,

 

ALEX

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I missed the back of the pressbook in my last posting. It's titled
"Publicity" and has the following final 2 paragraphs....
. "Planet of the Apes"
opened so big in New York that for the first three weekends it kept beating
the previous records it set on the preceding weekends. The critical reaction
was most favorable. Liz Smith in Cosmopolitan called it "A blockbluster
movie! A genuine 14 carat film. Big, fascinating, totally entertaining."
. And Pauline Kael in The New Yorker said, "One of the
best science-fiction fantasies ever. Really extraordinary. It has the
primitive force of "King Kong"...You'd better go see it quickly...it has the
ingenious kind of plotting that people love to talk about. A very
entertaining movie."
. Hope we get a retro-60's groove, no doubt with a dash of
21'st tech, in the reimagining. Or something...........Go Apes, John

Ye Gods!!! Sorry about the typing. It's late..........John

'Sorry, guys...

I just, finally, saw the VANITY FAIR shots--

And my first, flash reaction, on seeing the photo on the contents page was:

LAND OF THE LOST.

My instant reaction upon seeing the rest of the layout, was of another Syd and Marty Krofft show...

Those weird variety programs, they used to do, in the late '70s...

I was coming to the new film, with an open mind, and maybe it was the odd lighting VANITY FAIR potographers sometimes like to use, but this does not bode well....

(And don't even get me started on BIGFOOT AND WILDBOY...)

Best, Jim Burns

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From: Haristas@...
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:28:32 EST
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Check out ABCNEWS.com : Ape Population Faces Drastic Decline

Click here: ABCNEWS.com : Ape Population Faces Drastic Decline <http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/apeconference000512.htmlgt;

The sad reality.   Lousy Human Bastards!!!

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Yeah,

I think that like the websites, if you think you might be giving something
away for someone who would just as soon wait for the movie to find out about
it, put
*Soiler Alert!*
In the subject line of your post.
That way the folks in this news group who'd rather not hear about it don't
have to.

.html Hi Mike,

I believe the "Caesar Land's Ape" as they call it is the limited edition.  Did I goof again?

B

Michael Whitty wrote:

Brian,

Are you sure the Caesar WITH chain is the variant?

I think it is actually the Caesar WITHOUT chain - can you help?

Michael

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Brian

 

I am still unsure, but I think the ones with the stickers saying "different costume" would be the variants.

 

Michael

 

I could be wrong but the ones that say "Caesar Lands Ape" are not Ceasar Medicoms but rather foot soldiers. Like the Conquest Gorilla labeled the same.

I believe the Chimp that has the same label is simply a Chimp foot soldier from Conquest.

 

I mean, why make two Caesar Conquest figures when you have another showing in Battle medicoms as well?

 

I makes sence to me.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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.htmlFrom what I can see the three Caesars are this: Caesar from BATTLE, Caesar as
slave from CONQUEST (in green outfit from 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea),
and Caesar in leather outfit seen at beginning of CONQUEST.   But maybe I'm
wrong, I'm only glad that as far as the Medicom figures are concerned I'm
only interested in those from the original movie -- which means I've only one
more to get -- the Lawgiver.  Praise the Lawgiver!!!

-- Rory<.html

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(And don't even get me started on BIGFOOT AND WILDBOY...)

Best, Jim

 

 

Personaly I loved the idea of HUGE gorillas, it makes them look more dominating. As in the original Heston Towered over them all. So it does add a more dominating look for the apes in this rethinking.

 

Having HUGE gorillas and smaller humans as is Wahlberg is a concept I like a lot better. (I'd have to admit)

And as for Burton taking over the project: Cinescape article makes it very cleary why Burton was the number one choice.

 

There's a piece of the article that says something to the effect: "Tim Burton will do for Apes what he did for Batman." "A whole reimaging from the thinking of the Adam West series."

And that he did do.

 

This article is really great! it not only covers Tim Burton very well but also Rick Baker.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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Hey Rory,

No speculation here.  The three Caesars are as follows (see foto):

• Caesar (from Battle with no Glyphs)
• Caesar Land's Ape (Conquest) with Danish Madsen Sub-machinegun
• Caesar  (Conquest) with chain on neck and M-16 assault rifle

And I believe Mike is right, The Land's Ape is the limited edition.

Brian
 

Haristas@... wrote:

From what I can see the three Caesars are this: Caesar from BATTLE, Caesar as
slave from CONQUEST (in green outfit from 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea),
and Caesar in leather outfit seen at beginning of CONQUEST.   But maybe I'm
wrong, I'm only glad that as far as the Medicom figures are concerned I'm
only interested in those from the original movie -- which means I've only one
more to get -- the Lawgiver.  Praise the Lawgiver!!!

-- Rory

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.html Good point, Agarn. ("I don't know why everyone says you're so dumb").

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 I could be wrong but the ones that say "Caesar Lands Ape" are not Ceasar Medicoms but rather foot soldiers. Like the Conquest Gorilla labeled the same.I believe the Chimp that has the same label is simply a Chimp foot soldier from Conquest. I mean, why make two Caesar Conquest figures when you have another showing in Battle medicoms as well? I makes sence to me. Best, Alex

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Good point, Agarn. ("I don't know why everyone says you're so dumb").

 

 

hehehe!!!

Personaly I prefer wisdom over smart anyday :o)

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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Well, uh, hmm...

I haven't read the ARTICLE, yet...

I was just standing in a newsshop, at one in the morning, in Manhattan's Penn Station, lower level, looking at the pretty pictures...

:-)

(Come to think of it, I guess I was just a few blocks north of Brent's locale, in BENEATH... No menacing water funtain, though...)

:-)

'Have a good weeend, everybody!

Best, Jim Burns

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:
>
Personaly I loved the idea of HUGE gorillas, it makes them look more dominating. As in the original Heston Towered over them all. So it does add a more dominating look for the apes in this rethinking.
>
> Having HUGE gorillas and smaller humans as is Wahlberg is a concept I like a lot better. (I'd have to admit)
> And as for Burton taking over the project: Cinescape article makes it very cleary why Burton was the number one choice.
>
> There's a piece of the article that says something to the effect: "Tim Burton will do for Apes what he did for Batman." "A whole reimaging from the thinking of the Adam West series."
> And that he did do.
>
> This article is really great! it not only covers Tim Burton very well but also Rick Baker.
>
> Best,
>
> Alex

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Chris L <lawford42@...> wrote:

>Personally, I thought this was kind of lame. Anyone else agree?

Yep. I thought it was one of the unfunniest things I've ever seen. I'd call
it juvenile too, but that would be doing a great disservice to children
everywhere.

Alan

Chris <lawford42@...> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:55:41 -0000 "Alan Maxwell"
><alan@...> writes:
>
>> Perhaps Vol 4 could be a dream double release of Conquest and
>> Battle. But realistically I doubt it. We'll just need to wait and see.
>
>What, you psychic or something? :-)

Man, am I glad this email came back to haunt me!

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>If you know the plot of the new APES, please keep it to yourself. I don't
>want to know. If there really is a surprise ending for this film, I'd like
>to be surprised when I see it. I just hope I don't have to move into the
>desert to keep from hearing it.

My view too - a day doesn't go by without there being some other online
exclusive announced on this list. Personally I've been ignoring all of them
recently. I looked at the first couple of pictures but then when I saw the
number of exclusives appearing I gave up. I'm not particularly keen on the
idea of a remake to begin with, but I'd rather see it knowing as little as
possible about it. I figure that as it gets closer to its release date I
won't be able to avoid it, so for now I'm doing all I can and avoiding all
Apes websites and any promises of online exclusives.

Alan

Alexander Ruiz <prophecysite@...> wrote:

>There's a piece of the article that says something
>to the effect: "Tim Burton will do for Apes what
>he did for Batman." "A whole reimaging from the
>thinking of the Adam West series."
> And that he did do.

The problem is that the Batman concept as a camp sixties TV series with daft
villains and so on was totally dated and the time was right for an update.
Planet of the Apes on the other hand is still a classic and hardly dates at
all. Still, this is Hollywood, I can't expect them to be original all the
time.

Or at all, come to think of it.

Alan

Alexander Ruiz <prophecysite@...> wrote:

>The only thing I don't like about the remake
>(and it's not a spoiler) Is the fact that it's
>not planet earth. And the reason why I think
>it's a bad Idea is because of the fact that it
>doesn't give the viewer a personal connection
>with the film. So the surprise impact is not
>that great upon the viewer as it was with the
>original.

That all depends on what the surprise is! A good ending is a good ending, I
don't think it's important where it's set as long as it's a good film.

Alan

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Still, this is Hollywood, I can't expect them to be original all the
time.

Or at all, come to think of it.

 

Well Alan, take it from one who has read the script.

It is very original. :o)

At least now when I say is film will kick ass.

I will know exactly what I'm taking about.

 

Julius:

"If only you knew what they're going to do."

 

Best, and have a good weekend.

 

Alex

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Alexander Ruiz <prophecysite@...> wrote:

> Well Alan, take it from one who has read the script.
> It is very original. :o)
> At least now when I say is film will kick ass.
> I will know exactly what I'm taking about.

Um... isn't there the small matter of a finished film to be taken into
account though? :)

Alan

In a message dated 2/24/01 8:23:45 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< CONQUEST (in green outfit from 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea), >>
Fox is apparently big on recyling. The jumpsuits were first used in
Fantastic Voyage, and I've heard the original outfits were cut from the same
cloth as them.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:06:46 +0000 Mark Gould <mark.gould@...>
writes:

> Hexagon. It was shaped like one of the nasties. Andromeda Strain was

the

> first SF novel I read, and the second was one called Metamorphosis
> (blue cones - anyone remember?). Prefer the book to the film - though

the

> visuals are good.

I remember that was the intention- shaping the LP like one of the
Andromeda molecules. BTW, which book are you talking about that you
prefer to the film- Andromeda or Metamorphosis? I've never heard of the
latter, though it sounds interesting.


Chris L.


____

Lord T --

I don't think the jumpsuits were first used in "Fantastic Voyage." That film
was made in 1966, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea -- The Movie" was made in
'61 (although I don't know if the crew wore the jumpsuits in that -- I'll
have to look at my DVD again), and the TV show (where I know they wore the
jumpsuits) started in '64 or '65, SOOOOOOO the jumpsuits in CONQUEST were
from "Voyage."

Yeah, Fox was into recycling. So were all the studios. They were movie
factories. There's an episode of "Lost in Space" where Don and Will are
walking through this cosmic junkyard and they walk right past the little
Statue of Liberty torch prop that Heston looks at in PLANET. Also a gorilla
appliance was used on a villian in another episode, and the seats from
PLANET's spaceship are in the ship in "Land of the Giants>" I know this just
from all the years I've watched these damn things, but you can find this info
elsewhere. I think this kind of trivia shit is cool, so please excuse my
rambling.

-- Rory

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Hey Everybody,

This is the best POTA spoof I've seen on the Web.  Enjoy, and write this guy
and get him to finish the damn thing!

-- Rory <.html

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Haristas@... wrote:

....  Also a gorilla
appliance was used on a villian in another episode (lost in spoace)

I remember that episode.  It was Keenan Wynn in a green ape face!

B

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Brian --

Actually, the facts are these..... An actor named Michael Conrad
(1925--1983, best known as Sergent Phil Esterhaus on TV's "Hill Street
Blues.") played a character named 'Creech' on an episode of "Lost in Space"
titled 'Fugitives in Space' that aired on January 31, 1968. In the episode
Conrad wore only a POTA gorilla eyebrow and nose appliance (sans the chin
piece), and was painted orange. It was pretty funny looking, but it was the
first time the public saw some of the ape makeup. Conrad later appeared as
'Janor' in an episode of the POTA TV show titled "The Tyrant," but in that he
was a human. Conrad was also in "The War Lord" (1965), directed by Franklin
J. Schaffner, and featuring future POTA players Charlton Heston, Maurice
Evans and Woodrow Parfrey (Dr. Maximus).

Ahhh, how I love POTA trivia!

-- Rory

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.html Then, who wore the green ape face in the episode I saw?

B

Haristas@... wrote:

Brian --

Actually, the facts are these.....  An actor named Michael Conrad
(1925--1983, best known as Sergent Phil Esterhaus on TV's "Hill Street
Blues.") played a character named 'Creech' on an episode of "Lost in Space"
titled 'Fugitives in Space' that aired on January 31, 1968.  In the episode
Conrad wore only a POTA gorilla eyebrow and nose appliance (sans the chin
piece), and was painted orange.   It was pretty funny looking, but it was the
first time the public saw some of the ape makeup.  Conrad later appeared as
'Janor' in an episode of the POTA TV show titled "The Tyrant," but in that he
was a human.  Conrad was also in "The War Lord" (1965), directed by Franklin
J. Schaffner, and featuring future POTA players Charlton Heston, Maurice
Evans and Woodrow Parfrey (Dr. Maximus).

Ahhh, how I love POTA trivia!

-- Rory

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I do remember it now as being Conrad! Like Wynn, he had a very recognizable voice.
Although for some reason I remember green being in the color scheme.  Was the Hair green or something?

B

Haristas@... wrote:

Brian --

Actually, the facts are these.....  An actor named Michael Conrad
(1925--1983, best known as Sergent Phil Esterhaus on TV's "Hill Street
Blues.") played a character named 'Creech' on an episode of "Lost in Space"
titled 'Fugitives in Space' that aired on January 31, 1968.  In the episode
Conrad wore only a POTA gorilla eyebrow and nose appliance (sans the chin
piece), and was painted orange.   It was pretty funny looking, but it was the
first time the public saw some of the ape makeup.  Conrad later appeared as
'Janor' in an episode of the POTA TV show titled "The Tyrant," but in that he
was a human.  Conrad was also in "The War Lord" (1965), directed by Franklin
J. Schaffner, and featuring future POTA players Charlton Heston, Maurice
Evans and Woodrow Parfrey (Dr. Maximus).

Ahhh, how I love POTA trivia!

-- Rory

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I meant the Ansdromeda Strain, vis a vis the film. As for Metamorphosis,
there is a chance it is still in the library near my parents (though it will
make the book over 25 yrs old, in the library that is). I'll try to look it
up.

M

> From: lawford42@...
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:46:14 -0500
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Goldsmith on CD (WARNING - little PotA content)
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:06:46 +0000 Mark Gould <mark.gould@...>
> writes:
>
>> Hexagon. It was shaped like one of the nasties. Andromeda Strain was
> the
>> first SF novel I read, and the second was one called Metamorphosis
>> (blue cones - anyone remember?). Prefer the book to the film - though
> the
>> visuals are good.
>
> I remember that was the intention- shaping the LP like one of the
> Andromeda molecules. BTW, which book are you talking about that you
> prefer to the film- Andromeda or Metamorphosis? I've never heard of the
> latter, though it sounds interesting.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> ____

This is why Pauline Kael is considered one of the best film critics of all
time and Liz Smith is now a gossip columnist. Loyola Maramount University's
Arthur Jacobs archives allows you to thumb through Jacobs' personal
collection of reviews. I'm sure Liz Smith's complete review is in there.
Kael's is in one of her books. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Liz Smith & Loincloths


> I missed the back of the pressbook in my last posting. It's titled
> "Publicity" and has the following final 2 paragraphs....
> . "Planet of the Apes"
> opened so big in New York that for the first three weekends it kept
beating
> the previous records it set on the preceding weekends. The critical
reaction
> was most favorable. Liz Smith in Cosmopolitan called it "A blockbluster
> movie! A genuine 14 carat film. Big, fascinating, totally entertaining."
> . And Pauline Kael in The New Yorker said, "One of
the
> best science-fiction fantasies ever. Really extraordinary. It has the
> primitive force of "King Kong"...You'd better go see it quickly...it has
the
> ingenious kind of plotting that people love to talk about. A very
> entertaining movie."
> . Hope we get a retro-60's groove, no doubt with a dash
of
> 21'st tech, in the reimagining. Or something...........Go Apes, John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 8:29 PM

Subject: [pota] APE Exclusives hit Coming Attractions

Starting tonight after midnight Coming Attrctions will begin with major exclusives on the net. And also trailer information that claims that it will be shown on the internet before the official theatre release. (I guess it does pay to subscribe) Good thing I did.

 

Well, all of this is of course for those who want to know.

So stay away from coming attractions for the next few days Alan because the exclusives are going to be BIG!! :o)

 

And I know you don't want to see this....yeah right.

hehehe!!!

 

http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/mainFramed.html"

 

Best,

 

Alex

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 8:29 PM

Subject: [pota] APE Exclusives hit Coming Attractions

Starting tonight after midnight Coming Attrctions will begin with major exclusives on the net. And also trailer information that claims that it will be shown on the internet before the official theatre release. (I guess it does pay to subscribe) Good thing I did.

 

Well, all of this is of course for those who want to know.

So stay away from coming attractions for the next few days Alan because the exclusives are going to be BIG!! :o)

 

And I know you don't want to see this....yeah right.

hehehe!!!

 

http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/mainFramed.html"

 

Best,

 

Alex

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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.htmlHey Brian,

It's been two or three years since I've seen this episode.  The Sci-Fi
Channel used to run "Lost in Space" every day, but stopped when the movie
version bombed.  I just remember the makeup being orange.  I can't recall
anything green.

-- Rory<.html

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  "Coming Attractions" has announced that the official website www.planetoftheapes is now linked and will be up Wednesday, when we get to see the trailer. And keep a lookout for "Access Hollywood". Sorry, Alex. You're going to have company.

 

                                                                  - - - Jeff Krueger

 

Fantastic!

Believe me Jeff, I welcome it with open arms.

I only wish there were as many POTA site as there is SW sites, the internet would be cyber space heaven.

 

I had a feeling that the official website would come out with the trailer, as most films do. Now we get two treats in one, excellent!

 

The original Planet of the Apes will never be matched or out done by this POTA film nor anyother. But still this remake will be a real joy to watch.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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Yo!

 

One comment that sounds right is that Burton fans will be pleased, "Ape" fans won't. Apparently Alex has read the script. What do you think?

 

Hi Jeff

Well, when it comes to the remake I would say that this film has more action than the original and more funnier moments than the original. Overall a real enjoy to watch not only for ape fans but for all Sci-Fi Fans alike, as this film will also have better special effects as well.

But overall the original has no doubt the better storyline, the remake is a good storyline but a very predictible one as any ture ape fan will be able to figure it out before the ending of the film. The real surprise will be for those who are not true ape fans and are just there to enjoy a movie.

 

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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.htmlAlex --

This script doesn't sound all that great.  Without giving anything away, tell
me, is there a scene like the courtroom scene in the original, or in Dr.
Zaius' office, or at the cave?   Would say say the new movie is more
'inspired' by the twilight zone nature and political allegory of the
original, or by the more comic book aspects of BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE?

-- Rory<.html

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One comment that sounds right is that Burton fans will be pleased, "Ape" fans won't. Apparently Alex has read the script. What do you think?

 

Just sent my reply about the script but for some reason Yahoo e-group is taking forever.

May have to wait a while for this.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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Alex --

This script doesn't sound all that great.  Without giving anything away, tell
me, is there a scene like the courtroom scene in the original, or in Dr.
Zaius' office, or at the cave?   Would say say the new movie is more
'inspired' by the twilight zone nature and political allegory of the
original, or by the more comic book aspects of BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE?

-- Rory

 

 

Well, let me just put it to you this way Rory, the only time I laughed out loud during any scene of the original ape films was the courtroom scene.

When reading the script to the remake I laughed out load about 10 times, a lot of original stuff as well as cameo quotes from the original just placed at the right time durring the film.

This movie will clearly have it all, from humor to action, from real terror to great special affects as you can tell by the descriptions.

 

This movie is going to be great from what I read, but again there's no way in hell you can ever top the original storyline and it's great impact at the end.

They couldn't do it then with it's sequals, and they can't do it now with a remake. So I would say that it WON'T be better that the original concept, but it will be better than any of it's sequals, T.V. programs or Cartoon Series.

 

And for me persoanly, that's a BIG plus as an apes fan.

 

Best,

 

Alex  

 

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Alex --

Well, for now I'm going to trust you that it will be great. Who knows? I
hope it does have some terror. I'm sick of everything now being somekind of
joke. When was the last time Hollywood made a really good horror flick that
was really scary, for instance. I remember that when I first saw PLANET it
was unsettling and of course the ending was a shocker. I can only hope
Burton gets the balance right. It's pointless now to give opinions on how a
new APES film should have been done; they've done it and let's wish them well
with the editing and music and special effects, et all. I'm sure I won't be
completely happy, but then "That's my insanity." Right now I just wish I had
a suspended animation chamber to go into until July 17th.

By the way, WHY did you choose to read the script? Just curious.

Best,
Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:53 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] If it ain't on the page, it won't be the rage!

Alex --

This script doesn't sound all that great.  Without giving anything away, tell
me, is there a scene like the courtroom scene in the original, or in Dr.
Zaius' office, or at the cave?   Would say say the new movie is more
'inspired' by the twilight zone nature and political allegory of the
original, or by the more comic book aspects of BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE?

-- Rory

 

 

Well, let me just put it to you this way Rory, the only time I laughed out loud during any scene of the original ape films was the courtroom scene.

When reading the script to the remake I laughed out load about 10 times, a lot of original stuff as well as cameo quotes from the original just placed at the right time durring the film.

This movie will clearly have it all, from humor to action, from real terror to great special affects as you can tell by the descriptions.

 

This movie is going to be great from what I read, but again there's no way in hell you can ever top the original storyline and it's great impact at the end.

They couldn't do it then with it's sequals, and they can't do it now with a remake. So I would say that it WON'T be better that the original concept, but it will be better than any of it's sequals, T.V. programs or Cartoon Series.

 

And for me persoanly, that's a BIG plus as an apes fan.

 

Best,

 

Alex  

 

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Hey Jeff --

Did you get the POTA DVD cover I sent you?

Anyway, as far as a sequel to this movie.... since this one takes place on
another planet, I think it would be a good idea if for a sequel there's an
inter-planetary war between earth and the planet of the apes, with the
primative apes in this film having to learn to use spaceship and modern
weapons. I don't know, what else could they do for a sequel?

-- Rory

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Alex --

Well, for now I'm going to trust you that it will be great.  Who knows?  I
hope it does have some terror.  I'm sick of everything now being somekind of
joke.

 

Well, while there are lighter moments in the film, the terror scenes is clearly Tim Burton at his best. (So in this sence it is not a kiddie film) I promise you that.

It is a great mix of Terror, action, humor and suspence.

 

When was the last time Hollywood made a really good horror flick that
was really scary, for instance.  I remember that when I first saw PLANET it
was unsettling and of course the ending was a shocker.  I can only hope
Burton gets the balance right.  It's pointless now to give opinions on how a
new APES film should have been done; they've done it and let's wish them well
with the editing and music and special effects, et all.

 

Well Tim is a Pro. That's why he got the job.

 

I'm sure I won't be
completely happy, but then "That's my insanity."  Right now I just wish I had
a suspended animation chamber to go into until July 17th.

By the way, WHY did you choose to read the script?  Just curious.

 

I didn't have a suspended animation chamber. :o)

 

No but truthfuly, number one: I would never expose the script on my site, number two: I already knew ahead of time how it would turn out from reading rumors on the net a while back (so I already knew IN A ROUGH WAY)

 

I wasn't 100% correct, but about 50% correct, never the less I would have figured out long before the film would have ended. So no harm done here for myself personaly.

 

And besides reading something is very different from seeing it, So no doubt I'll be seeing this film about a good 10 times before I've had enough.  So nothing spoiled for me. :o)

 

Best,

 

Alex

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Hey Jeff --

Did you get the POTA DVD cover I sent you?

Anyway, as far as a sequel to this movie.... since this one takes place on
another planet, I think it would be a good idea if for a sequel there's an
inter-planetary war between earth and the planet of the apes, with the
primative apes in this film having to learn to use spaceship and modern
weapons.   I don't know, what else could they do for a sequel?

-- Rory

 

 

Well, that's where it's going to get tricky.

Because unlike POTA the original, a remake sequal has been planed before hand. So I believe they kicked this thing off on another planet for a reason.

For what reason, only time will tell.

 

Best,

 

Alex 

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Yeah Rory, thanks. Did you get the e-mail I sent you?

I think it would be cool if they do 5 films like the original series and
bring it back to Earth in #3 (Burton will probably do the sequel like he did
for "Batman" but no more).

- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Sequels


> Hey Jeff --
>
> Did you get the POTA DVD cover I sent you?
>
> Anyway, as far as a sequel to this movie.... since this one takes place on
> another planet, I think it would be a good idea if for a sequel there's an
> inter-planetary war between earth and the planet of the apes, with the
> primative apes in this film having to learn to use spaceship and modern
> weapons. I don't know, what else could they do for a sequel?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:03 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] If it ain't on the page, it won't be the rage!

Yo!

 

One comment that sounds right is that Burton fans will be pleased, "Ape" fans won't. Apparently Alex has read the script. What do you think?

 

Hi Jeff

Well, when it comes to the remake I would say that this film has more action than the original and more funnier moments than the original. Overall a real enjoy to watch not only for ape fans but for all Sci-Fi Fans alike, as this film will also have better special effects as well.

But overall the original has no doubt the better storyline, the remake is a good storyline but a very predictible one as any ture ape fan will be able to figure it out before the ending of the film. The real surprise will be for those who are not true ape fans and are just there to enjoy a movie.

 

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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> ><alan@...> writes:

> >> Perhaps Vol 4 could be a dream double release of Conquest and
> >> Battle. But realistically I doubt it. We'll just need to wait and
> >> see.

> > What, you psychic or something? :-)

> Man, am I glad this email came back to haunt me!

We could use some more of that thinking to get a proper set of the movies
released on DVD, not to mention the two television series...


Chris L.


____

> >Chris L <lawford42@...> wrote:
> >Personally, I thought this was kind of lame. Anyone else agree?

> alan@...
> Yep. I thought it was one of the unfunniest things I've ever seen.
> I'd call it juvenile too, but that would be doing a great disservice to

> children everywhere.

Again, agreed.

Chris L.

____

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:28:42 -0000 "Alan Maxwell"
<alan@...> writes:

> Not much... let me think... a few issues of the Marvel UK comic... two

of

> the three annuals

What was in the annuals? I know the weekly series was basically a reprint
of the U.S. magazine, but I always wondered how we only had 29 issues
over here and the series ran into the 100's in the UK (if I'm not
mistaken). Can anyone shed some light on this?


Chris L.
____

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:31:24 -0000 "Alan Maxwell"
<alan@...> writes:

> I also have a paperback edition of Boulle's book (from 1991) - could I

be

> the only person in Ape fandom who actually DOESN'T own a copy of the
> book with the Urko photocover? (see attached pic for the one I've got)

I didn't know there was one with Urko- does anyone have a scan they can
post to the group? About 10 years ago, I remember seeing one in a
bookstore in NYC that had the picture of Ursus from BENEATH where he's
riding the horse and holding his pistol (pointed up). Is that what you're
talking about?


Chris L.

____

Didn't "Free Enterprise" have a reference to the Japanese Laser Disc Box
set?


Chris L.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:31:59 -0500 "Adrienne Weiss"
<luludelage@...> writes:

>
>
> POTA fans... can you help me? I'm conducting a fact-check and need
> some
> confirmation on the following:
>
> Do the following films have POTA references, spoofs, etc., in them?
>
> Bleeder (1999)
> Do the Right Thing (1989)
> 8 Days a Week (1997)
> Free Enterprise (1998)
> Hell comes to Frogtown (1987)
> Mother (1996)
> Spaceship (1981)
> 20 Dates (1998)
>
> Did Charlton Heston appear on SNL on Mar.28, 1987?
>
> If anyone knows, could you let me know? Much appreciated!!
>
> Adrienne Weiss

____

If I remember correctly, Doug Moench did the adaptations of all five
movies, and wrote most (if not all) of the original stories in the POTA
magazine. He worked from the shooting scripts, so a lot of the scenes
we've heard about (the Earth being destroyed at the beginning of ESCAPE,
the gorilla being hunted at the beginning of CONQUEST, Alpha Omega bomb
from BATTLE) were all included. If you can get a set, they're definitely
worth reading. And of all people Terry, I have to believe YOU can track
them down. :-)


Chris L.



On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:32:33 -0600 "Terry Hoknes" <comicsape@...>
writes:

> I am also wondering about Doug Monech -- I haven't been able to find
> any info on him on the web; I know he wrote many of the Marvel
> Comics and that he adapted I think Battle for the Planet of the Apes
> for comics but I need to know what he wrote about, i.e., did his
> POTA references include the Alpha-Omega bomb from Beneath? Could
> you possibly clarify the role Monech has played in the comic book
> adaptations?

____

> >There's a piece of the article that says something to the effect: "Tim

Burton will do for > >Apes what he did for Batman." "A whole reimaging
from the thinking of the Adam >

> >West series." And that he did do.

> The problem is that the Batman concept as a camp sixties TV series with

daft

> villains and so on was totally dated and the time was right for an

update.

> Planet of the Apes on the other hand is still a classic and hardly

dates at

> all. Still, this is Hollywood, I can't expect them to be original all

the time.

> Or at all, come to think of it.

The other thing to bear in mind is that Batman had been reinvented in the
pages of his own comic books in the 70's and 80's by such writers/artists
as Denny O'Neil and Dick Giordano (and I'm leaving out several others).
It's just that for some reason, the only visual image that stayed with
people was the Adam West series. Maybe those that watched the show never
read the comic book and vice versa.

Interestingly enough, POTA remains a classic, but was turned a bit campy
with the various Adventure Comics stories in the early 90's. I've said it
before and I'll say it again:
Baboonjas? Frito and Jojo's Excellent Adventure? The resurrected ghost of
Governor Breck?

Yikes.


Chris L.

____

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:46:18 EST Haristas@... writes:

> This script doesn't sound all that great. Without giving anything

away, tell

> me, is there a scene like the courtroom scene in the original, or in

Dr.

> Zaius' office, or at the cave? Would you say the new movie is more
> 'inspired' by the twilight zone nature and political allegory of the

original, or by the more

> comic book aspects of BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE?

I'm kind of curious what you mean by "comic book aspects". Each of the
five films dealt with social allegories in one form or another. PLANET
was mainly political, but BENEATH took on the topics of religion and
hypocrisy in society. Remember how the Minister touted the invasion of
the Forbidden Zone (which can either be viewed as a type of religious
crusade or planned genocide) as a "Holy War" undertaken for God's sake.
Or the blatant hypocrisy of the mutants, who claim to be superior to the
"slobbering, monstrous, materialistic, apes". Yet they think nothing of
inflicting pain on Brent, or forcing him to choke Nova (twice), or fight
Taylor. What about calling the bomb a "Holy Weapon of Peace". Almost the
same type of BS logic Ursus uses to garner support for his planned
invasion of the Forbidden Zone.

I could make the same point for the other three films, but I think
everyone knows what I'm getting at.


Chris L.
____

.htmlHi Chris,

What I mean by the comic book aspects of BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE are the
following:   They all have scripts that are little more than adventure
stories, with characters that aren't fully developed.  I hate BENEATH, but
many like it better than the original.  When I ask why they usually say it's
General Ursus and the gorilla army.  "They're cool!"

Well, Ursus is just a cipher in the film, he's less a character then a
representation of fascistic thinking.  None of the characters are developed
in BENEATH, the film doesn't take the time to do it as it moves it's thin
plot along at the level of an old, hokey Saturday morning serial.  The
mutants are an especially silly creation.  Radiation makes one sterile, so
how did the mutants reproduce for two thousand years?  CONQUEST is the same
way, though Caesar does go through a transformation, but again the film lacks
depth and doesn't explain its far-fetched story (how had apes been
domesticated, how were they being reproduced, why would people want an ape as
a slave?).  Everyone and everything is just a cipher for half-baked ideas.  
BATTLE is so silly I won't even bother to go into it.

The original was a black joke on its protagonist who is a misanthrope forced
to defend the human race on a planet of civilized apes who are really no
better than men.  It has a resonance of meaning that, with the exception of
ESCAPE, the sequels lack.  This is of course just my opinion.  I don't "speak
in absolutes" here.

I get in trouble with other APES fans because I knock the sequels, but I have
to be honest -- I don't think they were that good and they haven't aged well.
 The original is a different story.  I believe it's very good and a classic
SF film.  It could have been better, though, if it had tried to be less of an
"entertainment" and more of an adult film, the way the novel is meant to be
taken seriously on an adult level.  The sequels were not done in this way at
all, though ESCAPE at least tried and often succeeded.

Actually, I hope my comments will spur a debate among the fans here at this
egroup.  We POTA fans pride ourselves on being into something smarter than
"Star Wars," so while we wait for the new movie why don't we take time to
discuss more substantial topics than 'where am I'm going to get the next
Medicom figure or find some old comic book and record set.'   I don't mean to
knock such persuits, I do it myself, but I'm mostly into POTA because the
original film was and still is so fucking good.

I don't want to sound too much like Taylor here, but it's just that I was
there when there was just the original film, and as I got older I was
somewhat aghast at the juvenile level the concept sunk to.  Let's not forget
the APES phenomenon ended as a Saturday morning cartoon show --  Talk about
comic book! -- and then was eclipsed in popularity by "Star Wars" that
actually reveled in its comic book origins.  And in many ways filmgoers have
been paying a price ever since.  Look what's bigger news right now than the
new APES film -- the "Spider Man" movie!!!   Who cares!!!!  I only prey that
Tim Burton isn't making yet another "comic book" movie with the new POTA.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 2/25/01 10:19:41 AM Central Standard Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< he remake is a good storyline but a very predictible one as any ture ape
fan will be able to figure it out before the ending of the film. >>

So, true to his word Ol' Zanuck Skellington is not making a thinking man's
(or woman's for that matter) movie.

DY,
GDYATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I only prey that
Tim Burton isn't making yet another "comic book" movie with the new POTA.

-- Rory

 

Believe me Rory when it comes to debates on the remake this e-group has had it's share. These debates took place long before you joined the group. And sometimes it got pretty nasty.

 

But the only problem is that everyone was debating something that they knew nothing about because the new film hadn't even been released, so most debates were quite pointless. So pretty much at this point and time I'm debated out (tired of it) and in the end it only lead me to read the script and see for myself.

 

If there will be debates I will tell you I'm am not getting involved, not again.

For me I'll will let the Box Office numbers do the debating for me.

 

And I'll just leave it at that.

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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Chris

The Annuals had colouring in pages, join the dots, interviews, articles and
a couple of unique TV Series Full Colour Comics. They were nothing to do
with the comic books.

The comic book series in the UK was for much of the time only partly POTA
and therefore used a small percentage of the stories in the Curtis Mags.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42@... [lawford42@...]
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2001 8:48
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA books and records!

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:28:42 -0000 "Alan Maxwell"
<alan@...> writes:

> Not much... let me think... a few issues of the Marvel UK comic... two

of

> the three annuals

What was in the annuals? I know the weekly series was basically a reprint
of the U.S. magazine, but I always wondered how we only had 29 issues
over here and the series ran into the 100's in the UK (if I'm not
mistaken). Can anyone shed some light on this?


Chris L.
____

I've said it
before and I'll say it again:
Baboonjas? Frito and Jojo's Excellent Adventure? The resurrected ghost of
Governor Breck?

Yikes.


Chris L.



And may I just say, I'd rather read comics about Breck's ghost than live in
a world without Planet of the Apes Comic Books!!!

Michael

.htmlAlex --

You're not tryine to tell me with the line "I'll let the Box Office numbers
do the debating for me" that if the movie makes a lot of movie, therefore it
must be good -- the old popularity equals quality thing?  If that were true
"Porky's" would be equal to "Citizen Kane."   Besides, I'm talking the
sequels here.

By the way, I did jion this group a few months ago, but my mail box was
filled with messeges wondering about where to find the Addar models, so I
un-subscribed.  It was only after reading a lot of what's in the archive that
I joined again.

-- Rory<.html

.html"Planet of the Apes" comic books.... what's that?   What's that I hear?  Is
that the sound of Pierre Boulle spinning in his grave?!!!<.html

.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael Whitty" Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: RE: [pota] POTA books and records! Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:15:04 +1100 Chris The Annuals had colouring in pages, join the dots, interviews, articles and a couple of unique TV Series Full Colour Comics. They were nothing to do with the comic books. The comic book series in the UK was for much of the time only partly POTA and therefore used a small percentage of the stories in the Curtis Mags. Michael -----Original Message----- From: lawford42@... [lawford42@...] Sent: Monday, 26 February 2001 8:48 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] POTA books and records! On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:28:42 -0000 "Alan Maxwell" writes:

> Not much... let me think... a few issues of the Marvel UK comic... two

of

> the three annuals

What was in the annuals? I know the weekly series was basically a reprint of the U.S. magazine, but I always wondered how we only had 29 issues over here and the series ran into the 100's in the UK (if I'm not mistaken). Can anyone shed some light on this? Chris L. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ ---------------------~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/cSEVlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <.html

.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: lawford42@... Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:38:29 -0500 If I remember correctly, Doug Moench did the adaptations of all five movies, and wrote most (if not all) of the original stories in the POTA magazine. He worked from the shooting scripts, so a lot of the scenes we've heard about (the Earth being destroyed at the beginning of ESCAPE, the gorilla being hunted at the beginning of CONQUEST, Alpha Omega bomb from BATTLE) were all included. If you can get a set, they're definitely worth reading. And of all people Terry, I have to believe YOU can track them down. :-) Chris L. On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:32:33 -0600 "Terry Hoknes" writes:

> I am also wondering about Doug Monech -- I haven't been able to find

> any info on him on the web; I know he wrote many of the Marvel

> Comics and that he adapted I think Battle for the Planet of the Apes

> for comics but I need to know what he wrote about, i.e., did his

> POTA references include the Alpha-Omega bomb from Beneath? Could

> you possibly clarify the role Monech has played in the comic book

> adaptations?

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<< he remake is a good storyline but a very predictible one as any ture ape
fan will be able to figure it out before the ending of the film.  >>

So, true to his word Ol' Zanuck Skellington is not making a thinking man's
(or woman's for that matter) movie.

DY,
GDYATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Maybe, but on the other hand maybe it's because I'm just too damn bright.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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Alex --

You're not tryine to tell me with the line "I'll let the Box Office numbers
do the debating for me" that if the movie makes a lot of movie, therefore it
must be good -- the old popularity equals quality thing?  If that were true
"Porky's" would be equal to "Citizen Kane."   

 

 

Another issue too debate - I may endup reading the script to Citizen Kane and Porky's too.

No thanks Rory.

 

I'm happy enough with Tim Burton's masterpiece.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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In a message dated 2/25/01 2:25:08 PM Central Standard Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< What interests me is the chimp love interest. That's original. >>

According to Helana, she's only 20% chimp.
I've have dates that were probably 25.
What's all the fuss?

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In a message dated 2/25/01 5:16:45 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< The original was a black joke on its protagonist who is a misanthrope
forced
to defend the human race on a planet of civilized apes who are really no
better than men. >>

There are exceptions. Zira defended Taylor at extreme personal risk.
Cornelius only went along with it because of her. She had him whipped. And
because, if he was a missing link, it fell in line with his theories.
Remember they didn't have that 'Ape shall never kill Ape,' thing in the first
one. I know you're going to say but in Escape Cornelius said . . . But if
you'll remember Zaius threatened to hang them for high treason.
You could argue that there are good humans as well. But from what I've seen
of them lately, I'd say Taylor really did find something better than Man.
And excellent point in the original film, and they completely wrote her out .
. .
I know, you're say what about Ari...well, she's mostly human. But remember
without Zira, tough guy Col. Taylor would have ended up brainless and nutless!

In a message dated 2/25/01 7:20:58 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< And may I just say, I'd rather read comics about Breck's ghost than live in
a world without Planet of the Apes Comic Books!!! >>

I never got into the comics. The drawing was crap and never looked quite
like the characters. The stories were the same. Crap and not quite like the
real deal.

In a message dated 2/25/01 7:34:03 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Besides, I'm talking the
sequels here. >>

Yeah, the sequels were not on the same level as the original and were uneven
in quality. But they mot sequels are. Not to defend them too much. With
the Zanucks cutting the budget and milking them for all they were worth to
get Fox back on it's feet after disasters like Dolittle. But you could even
say the same for the Godfather series. Even though some say GF II was even
better than the first most agree that GF III was not as good as the first
two. Most rating systems have the films ranked as . . .

Planet * * * * to * * * * 1/2 or * * * * * depending on a four or five star
system.

Beneath and Conquest * * 1/2

Escape at * * * 1/2

and Battle at * *

Which I agree with for the most part, but I'd give Beneath another half star,
because even though Kim Hunter's part is little more than a cameo she is
still in it. And at least it's still on the planet, or future, however you
look at it.

In a message dated 2/25/01 8:30:15 PM Central Standard Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< I'm happy enough with Tim Burton's masterpiece. >>

Hey, come on Alex, you act like he wrote the thing.
Last I heard there were three writers and he was not one of them.
Don't get me wrong though, I like some of his stuff . . .
But to dispel some of the auteur director mystic . . . Some of the best films
had more than one directer, and ya know, you can't even tell!

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Alex --

You're not tryine to tell me with the line "I'll let the Box Office numbers
do the debating for me" that if the movie makes a lot of movie, therefore it
must be good -- the old popularity equals quality thing?  If that were true
"Porky's" would be equal to "Citizen Kane."   

 

 

Another issue too debate - I may endup reading the script to Citizen Kane and Porky's too.

No thanks Rory.

 

I'm happy enough with Tim Burton's masterpiece.

 

Best,

 

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.html Alex --

You're not tryine to tell me with the line "I'll let the Box Office numbers
do the debating for me" that if the movie makes a lot of movie, therefore it
must be good -- the old popularity equals quality thing?  If that were true
"Porky's" would be equal to "Citizen Kane."   Besides, I'm talking the
sequels here.

By the way, I did jion this group a few months ago, but my mail box was
filled with messeges wondering about where to find the Addar models, so I
un-subscribed.  It was only after reading a lot of what's in the archive that
I joined again.

-- Rory

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.htmlDear Group,

I'm sorry if any of my comments did offend.  Every so often I go a
"Tayloring" about POTA and don't realize until later that I've taken it too
far.  Actually, I enjoy reading about what eveyone is into regarding APES,
even if I don't share the enthusiasm.   As far as comic books are concerned,
well, I was never into them as a kid, so I guess I missed something.

I spent a few hours yesterday reading the archives of this group and found
some very lively exchanges regarding the merits of the sequels and such.  It
seems to have placated me, though I still wish we'd hear from more voices out
there.

I hope I didn't run anyone off, and again I'm sorry for going off on a
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Hi,

I just subscribed to the list and thought I would post my first message to
the group.

I've been a POTA fan for as long as I can remember. I especially love the
first film, but can find something enjoyable about the rest of the flicks in
the series (well maybe not "Battle.")

I have been going "Ape" lately since I got the DVD box set for my birthday. I
am also pretty geeked about the new film (I am a Burton fan so I hope that it
can satisfy me both as a Burton film and as an Ape film).

Recently I got a chance to watch the TV series for the first time since the
70s (I found a guy at work who had the whole series on tape). Overall, I
found it pretty enjoyable and liked the three central characters a lot (as
well as Urko). I wish they could have wrapped it up somehow (I wonder what
ever happened to Virdon and Burke).

Also, I recently broke down and bought most of the new Medicom figures (I
desperatley need a Cornelius though). Does anyone have any good contacts on
how to get a Cornelius or any of the other newer figures?

How do people feel about the POTA comics from Marvel? I have been filling in
the holes in my collection (I only need #26 and #28) and look forward to
sitting down and reading them sometime soon.

Well that should about cover it. I hope this turns out to be a fun list.

Matt

> I'm sorry if any of my comments did offend.

No offence taken here, Rory. As Michael says, we're each here for our
own reasons. Mine are about as telescopic and juvenile as they
get...but I'm a little too old to burst into tears every time someone
dis's the tv series! (Didn't do me much good as a kid either.) So far
I haven't seen anyone post comments on any subject that would chase
me away, even when I don't agree. And I've learned an awful lot about
other parts of the PotA fandom through the interests shared here.

About the sequel, I'm psyched for it. The plot tidbits we're getting
intrigue me! But I do have my reservations. First, I'm not overly
enthused with the makeup. Sure it's more lifelike, but for evolved
apes these sure look more like present-day simians than our classic
friends did. Geez, where's the imagination? We humans didn't climb
down out of the trees ready to put on business suits!

But my second reservation is more important. Someone here said it, I
think, and I agree: Burton's reinvention may spawn a new army of Apes
fans who have no appreciation for the original films. I'd prefer to
see an effort that rekindles interest in the *whole* montage, not one
that sparks 'classic' and 'next generation' infighting.

Still, I remain optimistic. We won't know what the repercussions will
be till after the film's release. Heck, I might even learn to fancy
a 'next generation' chimp face. <g> /Mez

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:11:09 EST Haristas@... writes:

> When was the last time Hollywood made a really good horror flick that
> was really scary, for instance.

I'd have to go with Exorcist III. Unlike most horror flicks, you actually
had to think about what was going on. The focus was not so much on the
gore, but what caused the violence in the first place. Good flick if
you've never seen it, and a great performance by George C. Scott.


Chris L.
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:15:04 +1100 "Michael Whitty"
<whitty@...> writes:

> Chris
>
> The Annuals had colouring in pages, join the dots, interviews,
> articles and a couple of unique TV Series Full Colour Comics. They

were nothing

> to do with the comic books.

When you say "unique TV Series Full Color Comics" do you mean original
stories based on the POTA series or something else?

> The comic book series in the UK was for much of the time only partly
> POTA and therefore used a small percentage of the stories in the Curtis

Mags.

Were all the stories from the Curtis Mags used? Aside from the five
adaptations, I mean things like Terror on the Planet of the Apes, Future
History Chronicles, Evolution's Nightmare, etc.


Chris L.
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In a message dated 2/26/01 7:09:12 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< some very lively exchanges regarding the merits of the sequels and such.
It
seems to have placated me, though I still wish we'd hear from more voices
out
there. >>

Hey, don't get me started on the monkry love thing again.


'Cause I'm all for it. Make it X rated for all I care...anything to keep the
Ewok factor down!

In a message dated 2/26/01 6:15:12 PM Central Standard Time,
mdownes@... writes:

<< I'm not overly
enthused with the makeup. Sure it's more lifelike, but for evolved
apes these sure look more like present-day simians than our classic
friends did. Geez, where's the imagination? We humans didn't climb
down out of the trees ready to put on business suits! >>

I'm with you Mez. I just don't Ape apes taking over the zoo, let alone a
whole planet!
And will there be other hybrid apes? Or just Ari. It's The Island of Doctor
Morrow all over again.

.htmlHey Matt,

Well, no one else has welcomed you to the group, so I guess I will.

Welcome!

Why don't you tell more about when you first saw your first POTA film (was it
PLANET, BENEATH?), and the affect it had on you.  Did you collect Apes
related items as a kid.  What did you think of the DVDs (some APES fans have
complaints).

About getting the Medicom figures.  I've sort of made fun of how everyone
seems obsessed with these things, but hey!  They're the best classic-apes
related items created so far (with the exception of some APEMANIA.COM stuff).

Here are a few of the places to find them:  
Robotorium@...
Amoktime.com
coolstuff@...

I hope others in the group will give you other connections to help satisfy
your Medicom desires, then there's always eBay.

Well, I hope we hear from you often Matt.

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