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Sequels? I doubt very much Burton will come up with something as intriguing or moving as "Escape" or even "Conquest". What interests me is the chimp love interest. That's original. How does that play? I doubt very much the "surprise" ending they're going to use is in the script.

 

                                                   - - - Jeff K.

 

Well, I love POTA so don't get me wrong.

But I can only be truthful from what I've have read.

And this thing is damn good, so we'll just have to see what happens at the box office.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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In a message dated 2/27/01 8:14:28 AM, Haristas@... writes:

<< Well, no one else has welcomed you to the group, so I guess I will.
Welcome!>>

Thanks for the Welcome Rory!

<<Why don't you tell more about when you first saw your first POTA film (was
it
PLANET, BENEATH?), and the affect it had on you. Did you collect Apes
related items as a kid. What did you think of the DVDs (some APES fans have
complaints).>>

I'm pretty sure the first movie in the series I ever saw was the original
film. This was sometime in the early 70s. I must have been in first grade. I
can vividly remember staying up late to watch it on an old black and white
TV. I remember that the mutants from BENEATH kind of scared the crap out of
me the first time I saw them. I also remember thinking that the ending in
CONQUEST was pretty clever. I was pretty caught up in the whole APE
phenomenon as a kid. It was the first pop culture thing that I latched onto,
which paved the way for future fascinations with stuff like Spiderman, KISS,
Star Wars, etc.

I had a lot of the toys including a bunch of stuff I still have: all of the
Mego figures, the Mego Stallion, the Mego bendy figures, and some of the
Marvel Mags.

Things I used to have but don't anymore included the Mego Ape City Playset,
the cereal bowl and cup set, a squirt gun with a big Cornelius head, coloring
books, puzzles, the board game, Halloween costumes and the trash can.

I like the DVDs. My main complaint is with the sound on ESCAPE. I have a nice
surround sound setup at home and to have to watch that film in Mono is like
torture. I wish they all could have been done in Dolby 5.1. The lack of
extras on each disc would be annoying if it wasn't for the additional disc
BEHIND. That has tons of awesome stuff on it that makes up for the skimpy
extras on the individual discs.

<<About getting the Medicom figures. I've sort of made fun of how everyone
seems obsessed with these things, but hey! They're the best classic-apes
related items created so far (with the exception of some APEMANIA.COM stuff)>>

I am a big time toy collector, so I am very happy with the Medicoms. I
recently bought all of them except for Cornelius, so he is the one I want
most. I also need some of the newer waves (Taylor astronaut, the CONQUEST
figures, the various Caesars, etc). I noticed that some of the prices that
have been going out of wack on ebay. The Gorilla soldier with the long beard
has been going for over $100, and the supposed Caesar variants have been
commanding big bucks too. Is the Battle Caesar supposed to be rare or is this
a case of dealer hype?

Well once again, thanks for the welcome. I look forward to some fun times on
this list as the excitement for the new film builds.

Matt

Welcome, Welcome, and Welcome.

Prepare yourself for the onslaught of emails.

Larry

>From: MTotsky@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] First Post
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:34:51 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 2/27/01 8:14:28 AM, Haristas@... writes:
>
><< Well, no one else has welcomed you to the group, so I guess I will.
>Welcome!>>
>
>Thanks for the Welcome Rory!
>
><<Why don't you tell more about when you first saw your first POTA film
>(was
>it
>PLANET, BENEATH?), and the affect it had on you. Did you collect Apes
>related items as a kid. What did you think of the DVDs (some APES fans
>have
>complaints).>>
>
>I'm pretty sure the first movie in the series I ever saw was the original
>film. This was sometime in the early 70s. I must have been in first grade.
>I
>can vividly remember staying up late to watch it on an old black and white
>TV. I remember that the mutants from BENEATH kind of scared the crap out of
>me the first time I saw them. I also remember thinking that the ending in
>CONQUEST was pretty clever. I was pretty caught up in the whole APE
>phenomenon as a kid. It was the first pop culture thing that I latched
>onto,
>which paved the way for future fascinations with stuff like Spiderman,
>KISS,
>Star Wars, etc.
>
>I had a lot of the toys including a bunch of stuff I still have: all of the
>Mego figures, the Mego Stallion, the Mego bendy figures, and some of the
>Marvel Mags.
>
>Things I used to have but don't anymore included the Mego Ape City Playset,
>the cereal bowl and cup set, a squirt gun with a big Cornelius head,
>coloring
>books, puzzles, the board game, Halloween costumes and the trash can.
>
>I like the DVDs. My main complaint is with the sound on ESCAPE. I have a
>nice
>surround sound setup at home and to have to watch that film in Mono is like
>torture. I wish they all could have been done in Dolby 5.1. The lack of
>extras on each disc would be annoying if it wasn't for the additional disc
>BEHIND. That has tons of awesome stuff on it that makes up for the skimpy
>extras on the individual discs.
>
><<About getting the Medicom figures. I've sort of made fun of how everyone
>seems obsessed with these things, but hey! They're the best classic-apes
>related items created so far (with the exception of some APEMANIA.COM
>stuff)>>
>
>I am a big time toy collector, so I am very happy with the Medicoms. I
>recently bought all of them except for Cornelius, so he is the one I want
>most. I also need some of the newer waves (Taylor astronaut, the CONQUEST
>figures, the various Caesars, etc). I noticed that some of the prices that
>have been going out of wack on ebay. The Gorilla soldier with the long
>beard
>has been going for over $100, and the supposed Caesar variants have been
>commanding big bucks too. Is the Battle Caesar supposed to be rare or is
>this
>a case of dealer hype?
>
>Well once again, thanks for the welcome. I look forward to some fun times
>on
>this list as the excitement for the new film builds.
>
>Matt

_____

<< I've sort of made fun of how everyone seems obsessed with these things,
but hey! >>

Hey, I only bought the two Zira's and that's it, so you can't say Everyone.
Don't speak to me in absolutes. The evidence is contestible!
WhoooWaaaaahhh...
Welcome Matt!
For super fast Medicoms go to...
<A HREF="http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.net/">Image Anime- Japanese
Collectible Toys!</A>
http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.net/

.htmlHey gang,

I may not like much about the last two APES films, but at least they had
great music.  I just got the CD in the mail.  Apart from the music, the great
thing about this CD is the packaging.  The guys at Film Score Monthly are
POTA fans and they know how to do it right.  Lots of great pictures,
including poster reproductions.  FANTASTIC!  The CONQUEST score has lots of
cues not heard in the film, but sadly most are in mono (God Damn those low
budgets all to hell!!!).  I haven't had time yet to listen to BATTLE but it's
fully stereo.

Hope everyone gets there's soon.                  -- Rory<.html

In a message dated 2/27/01 11:02:08 AM Central Standard Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< What interests me is the chimp love interest. That's original. >>

Actually, it's not all That original. If you watch the body language in the
original closely, as well as other clues in the dialogue, you'll see that
Zira was Taylor's love interest in the film -- Even more so in the book!
But, she was engaged, and even a great personality and intelligent
conversation can't quite compete a hot bod on a girl who can't talk! I
think we've all had that dream at one time or another. Whoowaah..

.htmlLord T --

Are you the one who's primarily a Kim Hunter fan?

-- Rory<.html

Well most of it....

Ain't it Cool News has the first 30 seconds (or so) of the trailer online.
Someone taped it off Fox TV. It ends kind of abrubtly. Hopefully the full
trailer tomorrow will be a bit better.

Matt

Chris L. wrote: <lawford42@...>

>I didn't know there was one with Urko- does anyone have a scan they can
>post to the group? About 10 years ago, I remember seeing one in a
>bookstore in NYC that had the picture of Ursus from BENEATH where he's
>riding the horse and holding his pistol (pointed up). Is that what you're
>talking about?

Nope, there's a copy of Boulle's paperback (which in my experience is very
common, at least in the UK) which has a picture of Urko on it, presumably
from when the TV series was launched.

If I remember correctly, the picture is a close-up of Urko's face, and is
the same as the picture on the cover of the 1975 UK annual. I might be wrong
as I'm doing this from memory, but if it isn't that picture then it's
something very similar.

Alan

Chris L. <lawford42@...> wrote:

>When you say "unique TV Series Full Color Comics" do you mean original
>stories based on the POTA series or something else?

Yep, that's what he meant. Original comic strip adventures featuring Alan,
Pete and Galen. Not exactly the best Ape comics had to offer I don't think,
but nevertheless it's a chance to see our TV heroes (not Rory's of course!)
in comic form.

>Were all the stories from the Curtis Mags used? Aside from the five
>adaptations, I mean things like Terror on the Planet of the Apes, Future
>History Chronicles, Evolution's Nightmare, etc.

As far as I know, yes. (I don't own that many of the UK comics myself)

Alan

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>And may I just say, I'd rather read comics about Breck's ghost than live in
>a world without Planet of the Apes Comic Books!!!

I'm a fan of the comics, I must admit. They may not have been perfect but I
thought most of them were fun, and at least they dared to try some different
stories. That pretty much divided opinion between the fans I think, but I'm
glad they tried things that hadn't been done before (Breck's ghost, the "Ape
City" series) rather than retread the same ground that had already been
covered by the films, TV series, Marvel mags, etc.

And as for the art being "crappy", well that's all in the eye of the
beholder, isn't it. I wouldn't class it as being the best art comics had to
offer, but I thought MC Wyman drew the apes pretty damn well.

Alan

Attachments :

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>The comic book series in the UK was for much of the time only partly POTA
>and therefore used a small percentage of the stories in the Curtis Mags.

Yep, the UK issues has a lot less pages and were usually teamed up with
something else (e.g. Dracula Lives - see attached picture). It went through
many incarnations, with different titles. There were very few pages of story
in one issue, so usually one issue of the US edition would provide enough
material for several issues of the UK series. For example in the issue
pictured in the attached scan, there is only 7 pages of PotA strip (plus a
new illustration on the inside cover) - a 36-page comic, and there are four
strips in it!

However, the series did still run out of material and resorted to the
bizarre tactic of taking other existing Marvel sci-fi strips and reprinting
them with ape heads drawn on top of them!

Alan

<MTotsky@...> wrote:

>How do people feel about the POTA comics from Marvel? I have been filling

in

>the holes in my collection (I only need #26 and #28) and look forward to
>sitting down and reading them sometime soon.

Love 'em. Terrific art (by Ploog, Alcala and Sutton especially) and some of
Doug Moench's storylines were pretty "out there". Sure, he introduced some
weird concepts but like the Adventure series I'm glad they did something
different.

But then I love Beneath's mutants, so what do I know...?

Alan

.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: Anna Reid To: "'comicsape@...'" Subject: BIG BREAKFAST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:07:31 -0000 Hello - I'm writing from the Big Breakfast - a morning TV programme on Channel 4 in Britain. We are looking for Ape fans to join us on the show on Wednesday morning for the premiere of the trailer for the new film. It will be the first time it has been shown in the UK. I would be grateful if you could post the following message on your site: "The Big Breakfast is looking for Planet of the Ape fans in the UK to appear live on the show this Wednesday morning for the UK premiere of the new Planet of the Apes trailer. If you would be interested in joining us for this occassion then please e-mail me at annar@... - first come first served." Thanks very much - alternatively if you know any UK fans who you think might be interested then please do not hesitate to forward this mail to them. Yours sincerely, Anna Reid. <.html

.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael Whitty" Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: RE: [pota] POTA questions about mags Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:40:46 +1100 Terry (and Ken!) I recently visited Ken Taylor and he showed me some foreign language Planet of the Apes comics I found quite interesting. They were based on the TV Series. Ken, what country were these from again? Terry, are you aware of these/can you tell me more? Michael -----Original Message----- From: Terry Hoknes [hoknes@...] Sent: Monday, 26 February 2001 12:54 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags yes I do have all of the US magazines available and about 95% ofthe UK magazines forsale plus all the US comics from Marvel and Adventure plus some variations etc. I also have a nice selection of foreign language POTA comic mags from the 70[s available such as brazil, germany etc. Click here for Classmates.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. <.html

Or should I just address you as M'Lord? (Tell me when I tap into your
ego. ;)

> And will there be other hybrid apes? Or just Ari. It's The Island
> of Doctor Morrow all over again.

So Ari is definitely hybrid? NIFTY. I think this idea is overdue!
What I don't understand is why some were repulsed by the possibility
of a fling between Ari and Wahlberg's character (whazhizname). Didn't
Marvel have a story along those lines in their PotA mag way back
when? I mean, these are two intelligent species; we're not talking
about choosing one's mate from the local zoo.

Heck, if Worf and Dax can do it.... /Mez

Drats, I would have asked my lord and master (husband) for the
morning off if I'd known about this a few days ago. But at least I
can video it. Thanks, Terry! /Mez

Hey, you're only here a short time and already you're leading us
deliciously astray! Thanks and welcome, Matt.

BTW, I don't know if you or anyone else is interested but I run a
little site on the TV series, url below. Tried to sign up for the
Apes Webring but got no answer -- Caesar must be too busy with that
rebellion of his.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~pdownes/potatv/potatv.html"

/Mez

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:41:10 -0000 "Alan Maxwell"
<alan@...> writes:

> Love 'em. Terrific art (by Ploog, Alcala and Sutton especially) and

some of

> Doug Moench's storylines were pretty "out there". Sure, he introduced

some

> weird concepts but like the Adventure series I'm glad they did

something different.

I agree with you as far as the Marvel stories are concerned. Doug Moench
always did (and still does) know how to tell a good story (check out any
of his work on Batman or The Specter for two good examples). And the
artwork was pretty good too- the Apes actually looked like the Apes we
knew from the movies. Something that was SERIOUSLY lacking with the
Adventure series in the early 90's.

> But then I love Beneath's mutants, so what do I know...?

You know a damn good movie when you see it!


Chris L.

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.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mez Downes" Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: POTA Trailer Online Now! Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:52:37 -0000 Hey, you're only here a short time and already you're leading us deliciously astray! Thanks and welcome, Matt. BTW, I don't know if you or anyone else is interested but I run a little site on the TV series, url below. Tried to sign up for the Apes Webring but got no answer -- Caesar must be too busy with that rebellion of his. http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~pdownes/potatv/potatv.html /Mez Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <.html

Hey Matt, welcome to the group. Sounds like we're more or less
contemporaries. I caught on to POTA in the early '70's, I was around the 3rd
or 4th grade. Big time Nova fan. Favorite is POTA, then Beneath, Escape,
Conquest & Battle. Pretty straightforward, but Battle can test my patience.
Liked John Huston though. Also a ST/SW fan, but POTA is the first time I've
really gotten caught up in the Net for a flick, so to speak. I think you'll
have a great time in this group. I've been a little behind in the posts what
with life and all, so belated welcomes again. I'm off to the official
site!!!!!!!........Mwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Later, John

Hi Mez, nice site. Although I'm more a POTA movie fan, it's nice to see
any good POTA site. I hear Empire's gonna have a something in the next issue.
Can't wait, Go Apes, John

Okay, so far, so good. Liked the layout, cool sound. It's a tad sparse,
but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt since it's just out of the gate.
Ordinarily, I don't want to know too much about a flick beforehand, but as we
all know, POTA is no ordinary flick. So I'll try my best, but oh, it's there,
I gotta look! Not too crazy about that shot of Daena. Seems more Xena than
Nova. But that's just me. BTW, the NY Daily News had a bit of a spoiler in
the gossip section. Don't worry, I won't devulge, just a heads up for anyone
interested. Kris Kristofferson was at the AFI tribute to Barbra
Striesand(UGH!!!!) and he said somethin' That's all, Mayday!!!
Mayday!!!!!! John

Hey Rory, did you get your Cinescape? Mine's MIA. Cheeky Bastards!!!!
John

.htmlHey Matt,

Just to reply to some of the things you brought up....

About the DVD's.....  Yeah, I too am bothered that ESCAPE wasn't done in
stereo.  It was done in stereo on the original widescreen laserdisc (which I
still have), so I don't know why they couldn't have done it here.  I suspect
that when director Don Taylor was still alive, and they were doing the THX
transfers, he got consulted and voted to keep it mono, otherwise I don't
understand.  Incidentally, all the sequels were originally mono, but I'm sure
glad Fox has created stereo tracks for them now.

What do you think of PLANET's 5.1 soundtrack?  I, too, have a surround
system, and I'm very glad PLANET is in 5.1.  I think the mix could still use
some work.  There's not enough bass, and the dialogue should be
directionalized, but I'm still glad we have it that way.  You know, I read
years ago that Fox lost PLANET's original stereo tracks, so what we have now
may be I suspect a reconstruction.  I've got the DVD to 1967's "Dr. Dolittle"
and it's in its original 4.0 stereo, and it sounds very good, better than
PLANET.  So, I hope if this new movie is a huge hit, Fox will re-visit the
original films and beef-up the transfers (like in 16x9) and sound, especially
PLANET.

Another thing that has bothered me since Fox put out these THX editions is
the packaging on PLANET.  WHY in God's name do they give away the Statue of
Liberty ending on the cover?!!!!   What an insult to a classic film and one
of the most famous finals in cinema history.  It's like putting the sled on
the cover of "Citizen Kane"!!!
What was Fox thinking?!!!!   I'd hoped they'd change it for the DVD's, but
no.  Anyway, I so hate the DVD cover that I got on a computer and made up my
own using the original posters.  I've sent it to a few people, some in this
group.  I think it's nice to look at POTA's original 1-sheet on the DVD case.

So, you're a toy collector.  Have you been collecting the Sideshow Toy
Universal Monsters figures?  I'm also a big fan of those old horror movies,
and I think what Sideshow has done is fantastic.  I just wish they had the
POTA license.

The prices for some of the Medicom figures on eBay is getting ridiculous.  I
know a guy who just paid $80.00 for one of the first soldier gorillas, but he
doesn't seem to mind.  I'm glad I've got all that I want.  I wish they'd just
get that Lawgiver figure out so I could be done with buying these things.

Okay, that's enough from me for now.

 --  Rory<.html

.htmlI was just going to ask the same thing!!!!!   What's with Cinescape?!!!

You know years ago I had to write them a letter asking them to stop calling
PLANET OF THE APES "kitsch."   They always refer to it as that "kitsch 60's
classic."  I don't think they even knew what kitsch meant.  Anyway, it really
pissed me off, so I wrote them, they published the letter, and then it became
that "much beloved 60's classic."

Cinescape!   Geeez!

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 2/27/01 1:59:13 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Are you the one who's primarily a Kim Hunter fan? >>

That's me!

.htmlOkay, so has everyone seen the new trailer now?  I'm glad Access Hollywood
showed it so I could tape it and freeze damn near every frame.

It was about what I expected based on the photos I've seen so far, but
there's still no way to determine what the new POTA will be like as a movie,
so the jury is still out.

What most surprised me is how underwhelming Rick Baker's makeup is.  I
actually think John Chambers' gorillas look better.  Baker has apparently
tried to solve Chambers' problems with mouth articulation by making the
appliances closer to the face and having the actors wear dentures that push
their own lips out more.  That way you see the actor's actual lips moving, at
least the bottom lips anyway.   I think this is clever and works better than
what Chambers did, but damn if it doesn't seem like too much of an
improvement.  Still, I look forward to seeing more.

I also noticed these apes still have the long legs of humans, so I guess
we're dealing with apes somewhat evolved towards men, yet still apes.

Other than that, I don't know what's with all of the jumping around.  Maybe
they better call this film "Planet of the Leaping Apes."  I guess it's
somebody's idea of cool, but that somebody must be ten years old.  Give me
Boulle's original conception any day.

I have a feeling they will probably pace this film to move so quickly none of
the more discerning in the audience will have time to think too much about
whether or not it's better than the original, instead it's just gonna be
another ride movie.  In fact, they're probably getting "POTA - the Ride"
ready now up in Orlando.  Lots of leaping apes.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlHey Lord T,

I just wanted to tell you that when Roddy McDowall died, I felt so bad that
I'd never written him a fan letter as a kid or an adult, that I instead sent
one to Miss Hunter.  She sent me back a very nice hand-written note thanking
me.

She's a very nice lady.  I wonder if she'll really be at that Memphis show in
August.  If so,  I'd like to meet her in person.

By the way, Lord T, you saw PLANET in its original '68 release, right?    
Seeing the trailer for the new movie tonight, really brought back memories of
when I first saw the TV commercial for the original.  Now THAT was something.

-- Rory<.html

<< What I don't understand is why some were repulsed by the possibility
of a fling between Ari and Wahlberg's character (whazhizname). Didn't
Marvel have a story along those lines in their POTA mag way back
when? I mean, these are two intelligent species; we're not talking
about choosing one's mate from the local zoo. >>

Yeah, we had this debate several months back. My basic argument was that
different species have been mating and having kids on Star Trek since Mr.
Spock-- who's half human and half Vulcan. So what? Big deal! But some folks
felt it was like having sex with animals. Well, all Clinton and Stumpy The
Mule jokes aside, my argument was that these were evolved apes! And since
chimps were a 99.99.99% match genetically, that it would be like the
Cro-Magnon and the Neanderthals interbreeding. More caveman sex than
bestiality. And that it was more like bestiality to have sex with Nova since
she was less evolved. The two of us that were arguing this were having a
blast, but some members felt it was getting tiresome, so we agreed to
disagree and left it at that.

<< It's like putting the sled on
the cover of "Citizen Kane"!!!
What was Fox thinking?!!!! >>

Good analogy Rory!
Why don't they put out Soylent Green out with "Soylent Green is made out of
people!" on the box? Or a dead Chuck Heston laid out dead in the fountain on
the cover of The Omega Man? I mean, I know it's the most famously shocking
ending in film history, is that their excuse for ruining it for future
generations?

Yo Rory,

You wrote:

<<What do you think of PLANET's 5.1 soundtrack? I, too, have a surround
system, and I'm very glad PLANET is in 5.1. I think the mix could still use
some work. There's not enough bass, and the dialogue should be
directionalized, but I'm still glad we have it that way. You know, I read
years ago that Fox lost PLANET's original stereo tracks, so what we have now
may be I suspect a reconstruction. I've got the DVD to 1967's "Dr. Dolittle"
and it's in its original 4.0 stereo, and it sounds very good, better than
PLANET. So, I hope if this new movie is a huge hit, Fox will re-visit the
original films and beef-up the transfers (like in 16x9) and sound, especially
PLANET.>>

I think that PLANET's 5.1 soundtrack is pretty good. I am not that much of a
connoisseur that I am looking for absolute perfection, but to put something
out in Mono in this day and age is almost criminal.

<<Another thing that has bothered me since Fox put out these THX editions is
the packaging on PLANET. WHY in God's name do they give away the Statue of
Liberty ending on the cover?!!!! What an insult to a classic film and one
of the most famous finals in cinema history. It's like putting the sled on
the cover of "Citizen Kane"!!! What was Fox thinking?!!!! I'd hoped they'd
change it for the DVD's, but no. Anyway, I so hate the DVD cover that I got
on a computer and made up my own using the original posters. I've sent it to
a few people, some in this group. I think it's nice to look at POTA's
original 1-sheet on the DVD case.>>

Yeah the packaging kind of bugged me at first too. I thought the exact same
thing when I saw the Statue of Liberty on the VHS version a few years ago,
but I figured they did it because the ending is so well-known (almost like a
cliche) that most people will not have the surprised ruined for them. The
thing that bugs me about the packaging is the particular apes that the
feature on the covers. I may be nit-picking, but their choices make little
sense. We all know that Roddy McDowell is the actor most identified with the
series, but in the first film I think that Dr. Zaius was the main ape and
therefore should have been featured on that cover instead of Cornelius. In
BENEATH it's almost as if the apes take a back seat to Brent, the mutants and
everything else that's going on, but the one that stands out is Ursus because
of his attitude and the cool costume with the helmet. That would be my
choice, not Cornelius (heck, McDowell wasn't even in that film). They got it
right for ESCAPE to feature Zira. CONQUEST is definately Caesar's film, so
that's where I would put McDowell, not some generic gorilla. The orangutan
featured on the BATTLE cover is OK, I guess. I could care less about BATTLE,
but if I was choosing I probably would have put Aldo on the cover of that
one. (How was that for a long-winded response? Man do I feel like a geek for
actually sitting around thinking of this stuff). Oh, why don't you post your
custom DVD covers? I would love to check them out.

<<So, you're a toy collector. Have you been collecting the Sideshow Toy
Universal Monsters figures? I'm also a big fan of those old horror movies,
and I think what Sideshow has done is fantastic. I just wish they had the
POTA license.>>

I like the Sideshow stuff. Great sculpting there. I still haven't gotten
around to picking up the last wave, but I will eventually. I can't wait to
see their Lugosi Dracula. I haven't gotten their 12" monsters yet (I'm not
sure that I will since I invested in the Hasbro ones just a few years ago).

<<The prices for some of the Medicom figures on eBay is getting ridiculous.
I know a guy who just paid $80.00 for one of the first soldier gorillas, but
he doesn't seem to mind. I'm glad I've got all that I want. I wish they'd
just get that Lawgiver figure out so I could be done with buying these
things.>>

Unfortunately for my wallet, I think I am addicted to these Medicom figures.
I hope they do even more characters like Julius, Dr. Galen (from POTA), a
Chimp Nurse, the other orangutans from the Trial scene, a lobotomized Landon,
a stuffed Dodge, the mutants (removable masks or seperate heads would be
cool), Brent, Cornelius and Zira in human clothes from ESCAPE, Lisa, Virgil,
young Cornelius, Virdon, Burke, Galen, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Well that's about it. Thanks to everyone who responded to my first post. It
was a fun first day on the list!

Matt

Hey,

I just got an email from Fantasiatoyz that included the following:

"After Medicom releases Astronaut Cornelius, Astronaut Milo, and Greatest Ape
figures next month, their line of PLANET OF THE APES figures will be over.
However, another Japanese company will pick up the license to Tim Burton's
new movie this summer. Jun Planning (best known here for their infinite
number of NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS products) will make 3 12" figures based
on the movie: Chimp Soldier, Ape Soldier, and Attar. I've seen pics and they
look great."

Man that stinks! And I just posted my wish-list for the next three years or
so!

Matt

In a message dated 2/27/01 11:17:53 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< She's a very nice lady. I wonder if she'll really be at that Memphis show
in
August. >>

Of course they always say guests are subject to change. I walked into a
Starcon I drove by once, and slipped in to check it out. Everyone was there
to see Jerri Ryan. There was a cut out standee with a note from her on it
apologizing to all the fans for having to be somewhere else that weekend.
Might have been nice to see her, especially in that kickin' body stocking of
a costume of hers. But I was there to look for Apes stuff. Not much there.
But I did find a nice T-shirt of the Hunter Heston kiss.

In a message dated 2/27/01 6:54:20 PM, mdownes@... writes:

<<Hey, you're only here a short time and already you're leading us
deliciously astray! Thanks and welcome, Matt.

BTW, I don't know if you or anyone else is interested but I run a little site
on the TV series, url below. Tried to sign up for the Apes Webring but got no
answer -- Caesar must be too busy with that rebellion of his.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~pdownes/potatv/potatv.html">>

This is a great site Mez! I have checked it out before. As I stated in my
first post, I have just recently seen the TV series for the first time since
the 70s and enjoyed it immensely. After watching all of the episodes, I was
hungry for more info on it so I scoured the web and yours was one of the
first sites I came across. Thanks for putting it up.

Here's my fun theory about the ultimate fate of Virdon and Burke: I think
that they finally got home, but they were the astronauts that brought back
the virus from Earth that killed all the dogs and cats!

Matt

Dude,

Thanks for spoiling "Soylent Green" and "The Omega Man"!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2001 16:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] First Post


<< It's like putting the sled on
the cover of "Citizen Kane"!!!
What was Fox thinking?!!!! >>

Good analogy Rory!
Why don't they put out Soylent Green out with "Soylent Green is made out of
people!" on the box? Or a dead Chuck Heston laid out dead in the fountain
on
the cover of The Omega Man? I mean, I know it's the most famously shocking
ending in film history, is that their excuse for ruining it for future
generations?

In a message dated 2/28/01 1:22:15 AM, whitty@... writes:

<<Thanks for spoiling "Soylent Green" and "The Omega Man"!>>

Seriously! I haven't seen either flick either!

And what's this about a sled in Citizen Kane?

Matt

In a message dated 2/27/01 11:50:37 PM Central Standard Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< We all know that Roddy McDowell is the actor most identified with the
series, but in the first film I think that Dr. Zaius was the main ape and
therefore should have been featured on that cover instead of Cornelius >>

Yeah, does anyone remember the original poster? The one with Zaius and the
cage. Now that would have made a great cover. But as I recall from my
Half-Bros. beta tape they just had a still from the cage scene for a cover.
The same shot as my scan & pan series. But I don't much care for the
letterbox covers. Is the DVD in a jewel case like a CD? If so I'll make my
own cover.

<< Seriously! I haven't seen either flick either!

And what's this about a sled in Citizen Kane?

Matt

>>

Sorry about that. I guess we should have put spoiler alerts on those post.
But again, that just proves the point! No matter how famous a picture is
there are still people who haven't seen it yet! You Bloody Fox Bastards!
GDY, GDYATH etc...

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Yes, the dvd's are all in jewel cases so you can make your own covers.

Loc

Great job, Rory. I thought the same thing. But you took pen in hand.
Bravo! John

In a message dated 2/28/01 4:20:59 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Sorry about that. I guess we should have put spoiler alerts on those
post.
But again, that just proves the point! No matter how famous a picture is
there are still people who haven't seen it yet! You Bloody Fox Bastards!
GDY, GDYATH etc... >>

Well I have seen Citizen Kane, but for some reason I have never gotten around
to seeing Omega Man and Soylent Green. Are they any good?

Matt

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Felix over at FantAsia Toyz sent me the following message this morning regarding MEdicom ape figures:
 

• "After Medicom releases Astronaut Cornelius, Astronaut Milo, and Greatest Ape figures next month, their line of PLANET OF THE APES figures will be over. However, another Japanese company will pick up the license to Tim Burton's new movie this summer. Jun Planning (best known here for their infinite number of NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS products) will make 3 12" figures based on the movie: Chimp Soldier, Ape Soldier, and Attar. I've seen pics and they look great."

Get yer wallets and piggy banks ready!
 
Brian

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Hey Gang:

I just wanted to make sure that you all got this...

Larry

>From: "Web Site Fox Mail- Theatrical Australia" <AusFoxMovies@...>
>Subject: Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1 March 2001
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:35:12 -0800
>
>Here's your chance to see the EXCLUSIVE ONLINE TEASER TRAILER for PLANET OF
>THE APES and visit this great global website.
>
>The trailer launches online at www.planetoftheapes.com.au tomorrow (1
>March 2001) from 7am (Sydney time).
>
>As an online visitor, you will find yourself aboard the spaceship USAF
>Oberon, which suddenly crashes into a bog on a strange planet. While
>trying to figure out where you are, as the planet's stranded "guest" you
>will be treated to the latest exclusive information and imagery on the
>countdown to "PLANET OF THE APE'S" release. Among the site's many features
>are:- the film's new teaser trailer (in Quicktime), which goes up days
>ahead of the trailer's theatrical debut; an exclusive interview with
>director Tim Burton, four exclusive still photos (with new ones going up
>each week), a weekly character reveal, wallpaper, and information about the
>making of the film.
>
>Director Tim Burton's "PLANET OF THE APES" begins with the premise of
>Pierre Boulle's acclaimed and beloved science fiction novel:- A pilot crash
>lands on a strange planet and finds himself in a brutal, primal place where
>apes are in charge and human scavenge for subsistence, hunted and enslaved
>by the tyrannical primates. But Tim Burton's unique personal vision and
>style break new ground in story, design, makeup and visual effects.
>
>OPENING IN CINEMAS - 9 AUGUST, 2001
>

_____

WHAT???!!!

Soylent Green is PEOPLE????!!!!!!

Aaaarrrggghhhhh............

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Cinescape

I was just going to ask the same thing!!!!!   What's with Cinescape?!!!

You know years ago I had to write them a letter asking them to stop calling
PLANET OF THE APES "kitsch."   They always refer to it as that "kitsch 60's
classic."  I don't think they even knew what kitsch meant.  Anyway, it really
pissed me off, so I wrote them, they published the letter, and then it became
that "much beloved 60's classic."

Cinescape!   Geeez!

-- Rory

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The Covers: I'm glad Roddy loomed large on the cover for "Planet" because
they also gave him above the title credit on the image. He deserves it,
though I guess for the series as a whole, not the first movie. The other
covers are fine except the rep apes seem switched on "Beneath" and
"Conquest" ( Caesar is on the "Beneath" cover and a gorilla in "Beneath"
garb is on "Conquest"). The Statue of Liberty seems to be the biggest
complaint from everyone but now I have Rory's cover.

Toys: Too bad McFarlane (an avowed "Apes" fan as well as a top maker of
Burton figure - - "Sleepy Hollow", Edward S.) didn't get the license. The
new toys I've seen are a mixed bag. So far I have 6 Medicom figures - Zira,
Caesar with the chain, Nova, Ursus and 2 different Soldier Apes (one of
which I opened). I'm sticking to stuff that hasn't come out before, obscure
characters like Milo and Lucius, the "Conquest" figures and definitely the
Lawgiver. But I had to get Zira and Ursus because they're just awesome (and
Nova!). Prices will surely rise with the movie so get 'em now.

- - - Jeff
Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] First Post


> Yo Rory,
>
> You wrote:
>
> <<What do you think of PLANET's 5.1 soundtrack? I, too, have a surround
> system, and I'm very glad PLANET is in 5.1. I think the mix could still
use
> some work. There's not enough bass, and the dialogue should be
> directionalized, but I'm still glad we have it that way. You know, I read
> years ago that Fox lost PLANET's original stereo tracks, so what we have
now
> may be I suspect a reconstruction. I've got the DVD to 1967's "Dr.
Dolittle"
> and it's in its original 4.0 stereo, and it sounds very good, better than
> PLANET. So, I hope if this new movie is a huge hit, Fox will re-visit the
> original films and beef-up the transfers (like in 16x9) and sound,
especially
> PLANET.>>
>
> I think that PLANET's 5.1 soundtrack is pretty good. I am not that much of
a
> connoisseur that I am looking for absolute perfection, but to put
something
> out in Mono in this day and age is almost criminal.
>
> <<Another thing that has bothered me since Fox put out these THX editions
is
> the packaging on PLANET. WHY in God's name do they give away the Statue
of
> Liberty ending on the cover?!!!! What an insult to a classic film and
one
> of the most famous finals in cinema history. It's like putting the sled
on
> the cover of "Citizen Kane"!!! What was Fox thinking?!!!! I'd hoped
they'd
> change it for the DVD's, but no. Anyway, I so hate the DVD cover that I
got
> on a computer and made up my own using the original posters. I've sent it
to
> a few people, some in this group. I think it's nice to look at POTA's
> original 1-sheet on the DVD case.>>
>
> Yeah the packaging kind of bugged me at first too. I thought the exact
same
> thing when I saw the Statue of Liberty on the VHS version a few years ago,
> but I figured they did it because the ending is so well-known (almost like
a
> cliche) that most people will not have the surprised ruined for them. The
> thing that bugs me about the packaging is the particular apes that the
> feature on the covers. I may be nit-picking, but their choices make little
> sense. We all know that Roddy McDowell is the actor most identified with
the
> series, but in the first film I think that Dr. Zaius was the main ape and
> therefore should have been featured on that cover instead of Cornelius. In
> BENEATH it's almost as if the apes take a back seat to Brent, the mutants
and
> everything else that's going on, but the one that stands out is Ursus
because
> of his attitude and the cool costume with the helmet. That would be my
> choice, not Cornelius (heck, McDowell wasn't even in that film). They got
it
> right for ESCAPE to feature Zira. CONQUEST is definately Caesar's film, so
> that's where I would put McDowell, not some generic gorilla. The orangutan
> featured on the BATTLE cover is OK, I guess. I could care less about
BATTLE,
> but if I was choosing I probably would have put Aldo on the cover of that
> one. (How was that for a long-winded response? Man do I feel like a geek
for
> actually sitting around thinking of this stuff). Oh, why don't you post
your
> custom DVD covers? I would love to check them out.
>
> <<So, you're a toy collector. Have you been collecting the Sideshow Toy
> Universal Monsters figures? I'm also a big fan of those old horror
movies,
> and I think what Sideshow has done is fantastic. I just wish they had the
> POTA license.>>
>
> I like the Sideshow stuff. Great sculpting there. I still haven't gotten
> around to picking up the last wave, but I will eventually. I can't wait to
> see their Lugosi Dracula. I haven't gotten their 12" monsters yet (I'm not
> sure that I will since I invested in the Hasbro ones just a few years
ago).
>
> <<The prices for some of the Medicom figures on eBay is getting
ridiculous.
> I know a guy who just paid $80.00 for one of the first soldier gorillas,
but
> he doesn't seem to mind. I'm glad I've got all that I want. I wish
they'd
> just get that Lawgiver figure out so I could be done with buying these
> things.>>
>
> Unfortunately for my wallet, I think I am addicted to these Medicom
figures.
> I hope they do even more characters like Julius, Dr. Galen (from POTA), a
> Chimp Nurse, the other orangutans from the Trial scene, a lobotomized
Landon,
> a stuffed Dodge, the mutants (removable masks or seperate heads would be
> cool), Brent, Cornelius and Zira in human clothes from ESCAPE, Lisa,
Virgil,
> young Cornelius, Virdon, Burke, Galen, yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
> Well that's about it. Thanks to everyone who responded to my first post.
It
> was a fun first day on the list!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I hope Kim Hunter is there for those who want to meet her but I doubt it. As
far as I know she doesn't do conventions, plus she's not thrilled about this
remake so I doubt she would do it for that. But she's very gracious to those
who write her. - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] First Post


> In a message dated 2/27/01 11:17:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> << She's a very nice lady. I wonder if she'll really be at that Memphis
show
> in
> August. >>
>
> Of course they always say guests are subject to change. I walked into a
> Starcon I drove by once, and slipped in to check it out. Everyone was
there
> to see Jerri Ryan. There was a cut out standee with a note from her on it
> apologizing to all the fans for having to be somewhere else that weekend.
> Might have been nice to see her, especially in that kickin' body stocking
of
> a costume of hers. But I was there to look for Apes stuff. Not much
there.
> But I did find a nice T-shirt of the Hunter Heston kiss.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hear! Hear!

Give the sequels their due. They couldn't be made today with all the
testing and market research they do today. Downer endings? A thing of the
past for "franchise" pictures.

- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: [pota] comic book aspects


> On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:46:18 EST Haristas@... writes:
>
> > This script doesn't sound all that great. Without giving anything
> away, tell
> > me, is there a scene like the courtroom scene in the original, or in
> Dr.
> > Zaius' office, or at the cave? Would you say the new movie is more
> > 'inspired' by the twilight zone nature and political allegory of the
> original, or by the more
> > comic book aspects of BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE?
>
>
> I'm kind of curious what you mean by "comic book aspects". Each of the
> five films dealt with social allegories in one form or another. PLANET
> was mainly political, but BENEATH took on the topics of religion and
> hypocrisy in society. Remember how the Minister touted the invasion of
> the Forbidden Zone (which can either be viewed as a type of religious
> crusade or planned genocide) as a "Holy War" undertaken for God's sake.
> Or the blatant hypocrisy of the mutants, who claim to be superior to the
> "slobbering, monstrous, materialistic, apes". Yet they think nothing of
> inflicting pain on Brent, or forcing him to choke Nova (twice), or fight
> Taylor. What about calling the bomb a "Holy Weapon of Peace". Almost the
> same type of BS logic Ursus uses to garner support for his planned
> invasion of the Forbidden Zone.
>
> I could make the same point for the other three films, but I think
> everyone knows what I'm getting at.
>
>
> Chris L.
> ____

Comic books don't bother me because they're side ventures not seen by the
public at large. They should be able to go on side ventures and risk failure
to take chances a movie couldn't. - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Vanities...


> > >There's a piece of the article that says something to the effect: "Tim
> Burton will do for > >Apes what he did for Batman." "A whole reimaging
> from the thinking of the Adam >
> > >West series." And that he did do.
>
> > The problem is that the Batman concept as a camp sixties TV series with
> daft
> > villains and so on was totally dated and the time was right for an
> update.
> > Planet of the Apes on the other hand is still a classic and hardly
> dates at
> > all. Still, this is Hollywood, I can't expect them to be original all
> the time.
> > Or at all, come to think of it.
>
>
> The other thing to bear in mind is that Batman had been reinvented in the
> pages of his own comic books in the 70's and 80's by such writers/artists
> as Denny O'Neil and Dick Giordano (and I'm leaving out several others).
> It's just that for some reason, the only visual image that stayed with
> people was the Adam West series. Maybe those that watched the show never
> read the comic book and vice versa.
>
> Interestingly enough, POTA remains a classic, but was turned a bit campy
> with the various Adventure Comics stories in the early 90's. I've said it
> before and I'll say it again:
> Baboonjas? Frito and Jojo's Excellent Adventure? The resurrected ghost of
> Governor Breck?
>
> Yikes.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
> ____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Hoknes

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

yes I do have all of the US magazines available and about 95% ofthe UK magazines forsale

plus all the US comics from Marvel and Adventure plus some variations etc.

I also have a nice selection of foreign language POTA comic mags from the 70[s available such as brazil, germany etc.

 

----Original Message Follows----

From: lawford42@...

Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:38:29 -0500

If I remember correctly, Doug Moench did the adaptations of all five

movies, and wrote most (if not all) of the original stories in the POTA

magazine. He worked from the shooting scripts, so a lot of the scenes

we've heard about (the Earth being destroyed at the beginning of ESCAPE,

the gorilla being hunted at the beginning of CONQUEST, Alpha Omega bomb

from BATTLE) were all included. If you can get a set, they're definitely

worth reading. And of all people Terry, I have to believe YOU can track

them down. :-)

Chris L.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:32:33 -0600 "Terry Hoknes"

writes:

> I am also wondering about Doug Monech -- I haven't been able to find

> any info on him on the web; I know he wrote many of the Marvel

> Comics and that he adapted I think Battle for the Planet of the Apes

> for comics but I need to know what he wrote about, i.e., did his

> POTA references include the Alpha-Omega bomb from Beneath? Could

> you possibly clarify the role Monech has played in the comic book

> adaptations?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] comic book aspects

Alex --

You're not tryine to tell me with the line "I'll let the Box Office numbers
do the debating for me" that if the movie makes a lot of movie, therefore it
must be good -- the old popularity equals quality thing?  If that were true
"Porky's" would be equal to "Citizen Kane."   

 

 

Another issue too debate - I may endup reading the script to Citizen Kane and Porky's too.

No thanks Rory.

 

I'm happy enough with Tim Burton's masterpiece.

 

Best,

 

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Matt,

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.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jack Krueger" Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:25:26 -0800 I have a question...remember when Adventure's first issue came out? They had those color wraparounds that took up all of the back and half of the front cover? I've seen them in pink and green but I heard there was also an orange one but Terry says there wasn't. Anyone seen 3 different colors? - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Hoknes

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

yes I do have all of the US magazines available and about 95% ofthe UK magazines forsale

plus all the US comics from Marvel and Adventure plus some variations etc.

I also have a nice selection of foreign language POTA comic mags from the 70[s available such as brazil, germany etc.

----Original Message Follows----

From: lawford42@...

Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:38:29 -0500

If I remember correctly, Doug Moench did the adaptations of all five

movies, and wrote most (if not all) of the original stories in the POTA

magazine. He worked from the shooting scripts, so a lot of the scenes

we've heard about (the Earth being destroyed at the beginning of ESCAPE,

the gorilla being hunted at the beginning of CONQUEST, Alpha Omega bomb

from BATTLE) were all included. If you can get a set, they're definitely

worth reading. And of all people Terry, I have to believe YOU can track

them down. :-)

Chris L.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:32:33 -0600 "Terry Hoknes"

writes:

> I am also wondering about Doug Monech -- I haven't been able to find

> any info on him on the web; I know he wrote many of the Marvel

> Comics and that he adapted I think Battle for the Planet of the Apes

> for comics but I need to know what he wrote about, i.e., did his

> POTA references include the Alpha-Omega bomb from Beneath? Could

> you possibly clarify the role Monech has played in the comic book

> adaptations?

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Hey, Gang--

The thing about the government voting to charge for EMAIL--

Is an internet hoax--

Fooling otherwise bright people!--

Perpetrated every couple of months.

(I got sucked in a few weeks ago, by another internet "urban
legend"--the cancellation of NPR...)

Best, Jim

oh god, this is going to be BIG BIG BIG....view the trailer at
http://www.planetoftheapes.com

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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:32 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 332


There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: First Post
From: LordTZer0@...
2. Re: First Post
From: LordTZer0@...
3. Wow! MEZ!
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
4. Re: First Post
From: locutusatwolf359@...
5. Re: Cinescape
From: JSe3689836@...
6. Re: First Post
From: MTotsky@...
7. Medicom's Final set
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
8. Fwd: Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1 March
2001
From: "Larry Montgomery" <uscha_dierdorff@...>
9. Re: Digest Number 331
From: jameshburns@...
10. Re: Cinescape
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
11. Cover Me
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
12. Hunter becomes the Hunted
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
13. Re: comic book aspects
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
14. Re: Vanities...
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
15. Re: POTA questions about mags
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
16. Re: comic book aspects
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
17. Re: First Post
From: Haristas@...
18. POTA #1 adventure comics - 7 variations 1990 !!
From: "Terry Hoknes" <hoknes@...>
19. soylent green
From: "Terry Hoknes" <hoknes@...>
20. Re: Cinescape
From: Haristas@...
21. Re: Sequels
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
22. It had to happen sooner or later...
From: Brian Dumont <afryt4u@...>
23. Re: Cover Me
From: Debiortho@...
24. Bow Your Head!
From: MTotsky@...
25. Re: It had to happen sooner or later...
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>


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I missed the trailer, and the UK Apes slot on BB. Is the trailer still
visible on the new film site??

Anyhow, hello Matt, and hello everyone who may have joined but not announced
it. Methinks there will be more joiners over the next months. I wonder if
there ought to be a second pota list: pota-remake, keeping track of so much
will be impossible.

regards all,

Group oddball and sometime composer/novelist/space scientist,

M

Hi everyone,

I'm SSSSSSOOOOOOOO.... far behind on getting through my inbox,
especially when it comes to POTA posts. I plan on catching up sometime, but
I've been saying that for months. Anyways, my name's Ross, I live in the
Chicagoland Area. I'm probably one of the older memebers on the lists, all
though I really don't post much like I used, I just don't have as much time
as I would like. Probably since Chris, BlakerG, left, I'm the youngest on
the list, and Chris left a pretty long time ago. But, like most of us, I'm
a HUGE Pota fanatic, I get ripped on for it by my friends and family
constantly, and I didn't even get to see the apes on the big screen, nor the
premeiers of the TV series, damn! Now a fan of the reimagination, I'll go
and see it and try to keep an open mind, but I still feel it's a mistake and
that it'll flop. I hope I'm wrong. Well, I've rambled enough. Farewell
fans!






Ross (Dr. Milo)


_____

TRAILER: Well, I missed taping the trailer off TV. I was going to tape
"Access Hollywood" at noon but the Seattle earthquake pre-empted it (can't
complain, that's more important; hope nobody in the group was effected). But
I saw it on the official site, as well as the mini-documentary and the
stills. Overall, it reminds me more of "Mad Max" than "Apes". I was amazed
how good the Orange Army looked. The trailer told us what we already know:
Burton is a master visualist. So far he's missing the sense of the unknown
that was integrall to the original. Seems too prepackaged (I guess
inevitable). The apes look OK, not spectacular. I liked the shots of Estella
Warren the best, she conveyed alot of character. But what the hell did
Wahlberg say at the end? I don't know, as with all this stuff I'm still on
the fence. Is it "Hooray!" or "Mayday!"?

- - - - Jeff Krueger

P.S. : Check out Clarke Duncan's comments on movieheadlines.net . Apparently
they'll have an actual chimp (in space suit) tagging along.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross D." <smoothrt@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: [pota] late intro


> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm SSSSSSOOOOOOOO.... far behind on getting through my inbox,
> especially when it comes to POTA posts. I plan on catching up sometime,
but
> I've been saying that for months. Anyways, my name's Ross, I live in the
> Chicagoland Area. I'm probably one of the older memebers on the lists,
all
> though I really don't post much like I used, I just don't have as much
time
> as I would like. Probably since Chris, BlakerG, left, I'm the youngest on
> the list, and Chris left a pretty long time ago. But, like most of us,
I'm
> a HUGE Pota fanatic, I get ripped on for it by my friends and family
> constantly, and I didn't even get to see the apes on the big screen, nor
the
> premeiers of the TV series, damn! Now a fan of the reimagination, I'll go
> and see it and try to keep an open mind, but I still feel it's a mistake
and
> that it'll flop. I hope I'm wrong. Well, I've rambled enough. Farewell
> fans!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>
> _____

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Mark says :

"I think it's fair to call this hostile territory."

Michael

In BEHIND THE PLANET OF THE APES it is stated that Pierre Boulle contributed
an idea for the first sequel entitled PLANET OF THE MEN, but was rejected.
Does anyone have any insight as to what this script was like?

Matt

Attachments :

.html Hi Michael,
Apologies for the delayed response to this post. I've been sick w/ the flu for the last few days.
With regards to foreign comics, I have a few representations from various countries in my collection which include Mexico, Spain, Portugal, Finland, France, U.K and of coarse Australia. Most of these are direct reprints of the Marvel magazines. Some include articles, again mostly reprints of the U.S stories.
I have only one comic which features a newly created story line based on the TV series characters. It is from Argentina.
It's dated Jan '77 and is a 36 page black and white comic. The graphics are kind of crummy but it's an interesting example all the same.
See attached scan.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Terry (and Ken!)I recently visited Ken Taylor and he showed me some foreign language Planet of the Apes comics I found quite interesting.  They were based on the TV Series.Ken, what country were these from again?Terry, are you aware of these/can you tell me more?Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Hoknes [mailto:hoknes@...]
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2001 12:54
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

yes I do have all of the US magazines available and about 95% ofthe UK magazines forsale

plus all the US comics from Marvel and Adventure plus some variations etc.

I also have a nice selection of foreign language POTA comic mags from the 70[s available such as brazil, germany etc.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

 

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.html Thanx Jeff!

Jack Krueger wrote:

Brian...Please go to the following web page and take a look....You may find it very interesting....Jeff.. http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/pending/email.htm

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Dumont

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:09 PM

Subject: [pota] It had to happen sooner or later...

 Hi Gang,

Are our webgroup days numbered?  Read on, puke, then write a letter to your Congressperson!!!

Brian

VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!!

 I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill
 602P 5-cents per E-mail Sent. It figures! No
 more free E-mail! We knew this was coming! Bill
 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge
 a 5-cent charge on every delivered E-mail.

 Please read the following carefully if you intend
 to stay online, and continue using E-mail.
 The last few months have revealed an alarming
 trend in the Government of the United States
 attempting to quietly push through legislation
 that will affect our use of the Internet.

 Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service
 will be attempting to bill E-mail users out of
 "alternative postage fees." Bill 602P will
 permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent
 surcharge on every E-mail delivered, by billing
 Internet Service Providers at source. The
 consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
 

 Washington, DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working
 without pay to prevent this legislation from
 becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming
 lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail,
 is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year.
 You may have noticed their recent ad campaign:
 "There is nothing like a letter."

 Since the average person received about 10 pieces
 of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the
 typical individual would be an additional 50
 cents a day-or over $180 per year-above and
 beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that
 this would be money paid directly to the US
 Postal Service for a service they do not even
 provide. The whole point of the Internet is
 democracy and noninterference. You are already
 paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because
 of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes
 up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from
 coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is
 allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will mark the
 end of the "free" Internet in the United States.
 Our congressional representative, Tony Schnell ?
 has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month surcharge
 on all Internet service" above and beyond the
 governments proposed E-mail charges Note that
 most of the major newspapers have ignored the
 story-the only exception being the Washingtonian
 which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a
 useful concept who's time has come"
(March 6th, 1999 Editorial).

 Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away!
 Send this E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and
 tell all your friends and relatives write their
 congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill
 602P. It will only take a few moments of your
 time and could very well be instrumental in
 killing a bill we do not want.

 Please forward!
 

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If she's not going I'm not either.

In a message dated 2/28/01 8:03:43 AM Central Standard Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< Omega Man and Soylent Green >>

As Chuck Heston Sci-fi goes they're okay.
No POTAs though.

In a message dated 2/28/01 1:47:53 PM Central Standard Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< (the line "You're so damned ugly" helped cover their tracks). >>

I'm not saying there was a lot of sexual tension, but the deep feelings
between them were obvious. The look she gives him when she finds out he can
write, the way they act in Cornelius' office. Not to mention the fact that
she didn't want Nova along for the ride. And check the smile on her and the
furtive glance at her fiancee after the kiss. That line might cover their
tracks for a blind man, but not much Maryanne.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 17:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

Hi Michael,
Apologies for the delayed response to this post. I've been sick w/ the flu for the last few days.
With regards to foreign comics, I have a few representations from various countries in my collection which include Mexico, Spain, Portugal, Finland, France, U.K and of coarse Australia. Most of these are direct reprints of the Marvel magazines. Some include articles, again mostly reprints of the U.S stories.
I have only one comic which features a newly created story line based on the TV series characters. It is from Argentina.
It's dated Jan '77 and is a 36 page black and white comic. The graphics are kind of crummy but it's an interesting example all the same.
See attached scan.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Terry (and Ken!)I recently visited Ken Taylor and he showed me some foreign language Planet of the Apes comics I found quite interesting.  They were based on the TV Series.Ken, what country were these from again?Terry, are you aware of these/can you tell me more?Michael 

 

 

<.html

So who has now seen the teaser?

I thought it was great - but I am biased and very easy to please when it
comes to POTA.

I loved the scarecrows - is it just me or do the scarecrows look very
"Nightmare Before Christmas"?

I really like the make-up. The gorillas look great and the glimpse of the
chimp was pretty good (and better than the test shots) too!

I am thinking this movie will be more of a fast paced (in Terminator 2
style) entertainment flick than intellectual stimulation. This is not
necessarily a bad thing either (T2 was incredibly entertaining even with the
limited plot).

Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 17:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags

Hi Michael,
Apologies for the delayed response to this post. I've been sick w/ the flu for the last few days.
With regards to foreign comics, I have a few representations from various countries in my collection which include Mexico, Spain, Portugal, Finland, France, U.K and of coarse Australia. Most of these are direct reprints of the Marvel magazines. Some include articles, again mostly reprints of the U.S stories.
I have only one comic which features a newly created story line based on the TV series characters. It is from Argentina.
It's dated Jan '77 and is a 36 page black and white comic. The graphics are kind of crummy but it's an interesting example all the same.
See attached scan.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Terry (and Ken!)I recently visited Ken Taylor and he showed me some foreign language Planet of the Apes comics I found quite interesting.  They were based on the TV Series.Ken, what country were these from again?Terry, are you aware of these/can you tell me more?Michael 

 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Anyone who may want to download the trailer (like me) rather than going to
the official site - go to www.darkhorizons.com and on the front news page
they have a link to download the trailers - a high res and low res
version...

Cheers!

Matt from Melbourne, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: [pota] Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1 March
2001


> So who has now seen the teaser?
>
> I thought it was great - but I am biased and very easy to please when it
> comes to POTA.
>
> I loved the scarecrows - is it just me or do the scarecrows look very
> "Nightmare Before Christmas"?
>
> I really like the make-up. The gorillas look great and the glimpse of the
> chimp was pretty good (and better than the test shots) too!
>
> I am thinking this movie will be more of a fast paced (in Terminator 2
> style) entertainment flick than intellectual stimulation. This is not
> necessarily a bad thing either (T2 was incredibly entertaining even with
the
> limited plot).
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey Matt

Welcome to the group!

I'm from Canberra and we have another fan in the group from Sydney!

Do you collect Planet of the Apes?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: M Grigg [phaelo@...]
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 23:10
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1
March 2001

Anyone who may want to download the trailer (like me) rather than going to
the official site - go to www.darkhorizons.com and on the front news page
they have a link to download the trailers - a high res and low res
version...

Cheers!

Matt from Melbourne, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: [pota] Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1 March
2001


> So who has now seen the teaser?
>
> I thought it was great - but I am biased and very easy to please when it
> comes to POTA.
>
> I loved the scarecrows - is it just me or do the scarecrows look very
> "Nightmare Before Christmas"?
>
> I really like the make-up. The gorillas look great and the glimpse of the
> chimp was pretty good (and better than the test shots) too!
>
> I am thinking this movie will be more of a fast paced (in Terminator 2
> style) entertainment flick than intellectual stimulation. This is not
> necessarily a bad thing either (T2 was incredibly entertaining even with
the
> limited plot).
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlHey Matt,

I'd love to get my hands on this "Planet of the Men" script, but Boulle wrote
it in French, and I don't know if it's been translated and put in
circulation.  All I know about it is what I've read.  I guy named Eric Greene
wrote a book a few years ago called "Planet of the Apes as American Myth" and
in it he said this about Boulle's script:

"Boulle's screenplay was entitled 'Planet of the Men' and was completed in
July of 1968, five months after the release of the first film.  The script
begins with Taylor and Nova starting a colony of humans.  Taylor eventually
teaches them to talk, to protect themselves against the apes, and to raid ape
outposts for food.

The scene shifts to the apes' city, 12 years after the close of PLANET, where
Cornelius, having served a prison sentence for heresy because of his theories
of apes evolving from human beings, runs for political office.  He is
supported by a small group of radical chimpanzees.  Competing with Zaius for
the post of minister of science, Cornelius presses the apes to 'without
prejudice, stretch out [their] hands to the humans and with them to better
their miserable condition.  It would be a task worthy of apes.'  In effect,
he proclaims an ape-man's burden.

In contrast, Zaius warns of 'a human tide which comes to submerge us and
which would be the end of all civilization on this planet.'  His language
echoes that of Western proponents of scientistic racisim and eugenics in the
early twentieth century like T. L. Stoddard, who warned of a 'rising tide of
color against white world supremacy.'  Playing on the racial fears of the ape
population, Zaius easily wins reelection (just as Stoddard and his allies in
the United States won legislation restricting the imigration of non-Nordics
into the United States).  Along with gorilla Field Marshall Urus, Zaius plans
to launch a war of extermination against the humans.  Zira, Cornelius, and
Lucius go to Taylor's camp to warn him.

Taylor's son Sirius hates all apes, and when the attack comes he disobeys
Taylor's orders to take prisoners.  He offers the apes no quarter and exhorts
the human troops he leads to kill all the apes.  Sirius and his troops
slaughter the ape army and then set out to conquer the ape capital and wipe
their 'wicked' city 'from the face of the planet' because 'only fire can
purify this foul place.'  Taylor, dismayed that he helped bring about a
reassertion of humanity's thirst for destruction, is killed by the other
humans while he is trying to protect Cornelius and Zira.  As the apes go
insane and revert to their primitive animal state, Zira and Cornelius kill
themselves in order to die with dignity.  In the final scene, Zaius, who has
lost his advanced intelligence and been reduced to a circus ape, is given a
lump of sugar and dumbly applauds himself after struggling to stammer
'Z...Zaious' for the human audience.

Boulle had opposed the idea, introduced in Serling's PLANET script, that war
had destroyed humanity and thought the cause of ape ascendancy should have
remained biological.

Despite Boulle's effort's, the rebuilding of humanity was apparently not a
story APJAC productions was interested in telling:  Jacobs rejected the
script, finding it 'wasn't cinematic.'  Interestingly, despite both the
series' continued moving away from Boulle's themes and Jacob's assessment of
the quality of the script, 'Planet of the Men' prefigured much of what was to
come in the later 'Apes' films,..."

Like I said, I'd love to get a hold of this script.  If anyone in the group
can say how to get a copy, please speak!

                                                                             
         -- Rory<.html

hey mike and all...

I am from melbourne, and have been laying formant for some time, as I didn't
want to read too many messages to ruin the film for me..

Do i collect pota? well... i have all the vids and dvds that were released
in aus and usa, have several of the comix, love unkle and nigo music (heavy
use of pota samples, if people didn't know) and love xlarge and elvolve
clothing (evolve being a melbourne brand, similar to xlarge - jeans/skate
wear with lots of ape themes...)

well - thats me, i'm a web design student at uni too...

cheers!

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:22 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1
March 2001


> Hey Matt
>
> Welcome to the group!
>
> I'm from Canberra and we have another fan in the group from Sydney!
>
> Do you collect Planet of the Apes?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M Grigg [phaelo@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 23:10
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1
> March 2001
>
> Anyone who may want to download the trailer (like me) rather than going to
> the official site - go to www.darkhorizons.com and on the front news page
> they have a link to download the trailers - a high res and low res
> version...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Matt from Melbourne, Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@...>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:05 PM
> Subject: [pota] Planet of the Apes EXCLUSIVE online teaser trailer - 1
March
> 2001
>
>
> > So who has now seen the teaser?
> >
> > I thought it was great - but I am biased and very easy to please when it
> > comes to POTA.
> >
> > I loved the scarecrows - is it just me or do the scarecrows look very
> > "Nightmare Before Christmas"?
> >
> > I really like the make-up. The gorillas look great and the glimpse of
the
> > chimp was pretty good (and better than the test shots) too!
> >
> > I am thinking this movie will be more of a fast paced (in Terminator 2
> > style) entertainment flick than intellectual stimulation. This is not
> > necessarily a bad thing either (T2 was incredibly entertaining even with
> the
> > limited plot).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

By any chance has someone on the list encoded the Power Record series of
45 RPM records? These were packaged with comic books. I'd love to just hear
these recordings...


Les Rayburn, director
High Noon Film & Interactive
100 Centerview Drive
Suite 111
Birmingham, AL 35216
(205) 824-8930
(205) 824-8960 FAX

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>From: JSe3689836@...

>

> Like the ad said "This is Marcus. Head of security police. His

>specialty: Violence & Torture"

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>From: JSe3689836@...

>

> To bad APJAC ain't around to enjoy all this. John

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> To bad APJAC ain't around to enjoy all this.

> John

>

>

> Well, if there really is a heaven, I'd say he's having a much better time then we are.

>

> Life on earth is a bitch. :o)

>

> Best,

>

> Alex

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Wow!
That's a wild one. I wouldn't mind reading that one myself.
Anyone got a line on it?

Thanks for the synopsis Rory!

No offense to all of the BENEATH fans here, but that sounds like a better
movie than the eventual sequel. There was certainly more character
development in Boulle's idea. I like the idea of Cornelius being imprisioned
and then running against Zauis to get the truth out!

I have been thinking about getting Eric Greene's book. Is it worth it?

Matt

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I saw the advance poster for sale for $25.
It said hard to get. Is it worth it?
Sure it's hard to get now, but will it be later?




T

The "Planet of the men" script is available to buy from: zaius53761@...

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=124732&a=1020057

It is quite a fascinating read if you can get over the often, too
literal translation from French to English.

Although Jacobs rejected it, the seeds of a lot of situations from
Beneath can easily be found. (peace protests, a coming war, humans
living in the forbidden zone etc) It even includes the line (spoken
by a human) "The only good Ape... Is a dead ape."

In a message dated 3/1/01 3:12:14 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I saw the advance poster for sale for $25.
It said hard to get. Is it worth it?
Sure it's hard to get now, but will it be later? >>

Or you can get it at allposters.com for $13.99 plus use the coupon code
1333254576 to get an additional 10% off.

Go Ape!

Matt

.html Hey Matt,

I'd love to get my hands on this "Planet of the Men" script, but Boulle wrote
it in French, and I don't know if it's been translated and put in
circulation.  All I know about it is what I've read.  I guy named Eric Greene
wrote a book a few years ago called "Planet of the Apes as American Myth" and
in it he said this about Boulle's script:

"Boulle's screenplay was entitled 'Planet of the Men' and was completed in
July of 1968, five months after the release of the first film.  The script
begins with Taylor and Nova starting a colony of humans.  Taylor eventually
teaches them to talk, to protect themselves against the apes, and to raid ape
outposts for food.

The scene shifts to the apes' city, 12 years after the close of PLANET, where
Cornelius, having served a prison sentence for heresy because of his theories
of apes evolving from human beings, runs for political office.  He is
supported by a small group of radical chimpanzees.  Competing with Zaius for
the post of minister of science, Cornelius presses the apes to 'without
prejudice, stretch out [their] hands to the humans and with them to better
their miserable condition.  It would be a task worthy of apes.'  In effect,
he proclaims an ape-man's burden.

In contrast, Zaius warns of 'a human tide which comes to submerge us and
which would be the end of all civilization on this planet.'  His language
echoes that of Western proponents of scientistic racisim and eugenics in the
early twentieth century like T. L. Stoddard, who warned of a 'rising tide of
color against white world supremacy.'  Playing on the racial fears of the ape
population, Zaius easily wins reelection (just as Stoddard and his allies in
the United States won legislation restricting the imigration of non-Nordics
into the United States).  Along with gorilla Field Marshall Urus, Zaius plans
to launch a war of extermination against the humans.  Zira, Cornelius, and
Lucius go to Taylor's camp to warn him.

Taylor's son Sirius hates all apes, and when the attack comes he disobeys
Taylor's orders to take prisoners.  He offers the apes no quarter and exhorts
the human troops he leads to kill all the apes.  Sirius and his troops
slaughter the ape army and then set out to conquer the ape capital and wipe
their 'wicked' city 'from the face of the planet' because 'only fire can
purify this foul place.'  Taylor, dismayed that he helped bring about a
reassertion of humanity's thirst for destruction, is killed by the other
humans while he is trying to protect Cornelius and Zira.  As the apes go
insane and revert to their primitive animal state, Zira and Cornelius kill
themselves in order to die with dignity.  In the final scene, Zaius, who has
lost his advanced intelligence and been reduced to a circus ape, is given a
lump of sugar and dumbly applauds himself after struggling to stammer
'Z...Zaious' for the human audience.

Boulle had opposed the idea, introduced in Serling's PLANET script, that war
had destroyed humanity and thought the cause of ape ascendancy should have
remained biological.

Despite Boulle's effort's, the rebuilding of humanity was apparently not a
story APJAC productions was interested in telling:  Jacobs rejected the
script, finding it 'wasn't cinematic.'  Interestingly, despite both the
series' continued moving away from Boulle's themes and Jacob's assessment of
the quality of the script, 'Planet of the Men' prefigured much of what was to
come in the later 'Apes' films,..."

Like I said, I'd love to get a hold of this script.  If anyone in the group
can say how to get a copy, please speak!

                                                                             
         -- Rory

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<MTotsky@...> wrote:

>Unfortunately for my wallet, I think I am addicted to these Medicom

figures.


I've discovered a cure for this addiction - come and live in the UK. £19 a
figure?!?!?

Bah.

Alan

<MTotsky@...>

>Well I have seen Citizen Kane, but for some reason I have never gotten

around

>to seeing Omega Man and Soylent Green. Are they any good?

Outside of PotA, they're my two favourite films.

I have to say though, I think Rory made the point well enough - we all
understood what he was saying without one example, never mind three.

Alan

Jeff Krueger <williejoe@...> wrote:

>I have a question...remember when Adventure's
>first issue came out? They had those color
>wraparounds that took up all of the back and
>half of the front cover? I've seen them in pink
>and green but I heard there was also an orange
>one but Terry says there wasn't. Anyone seen
>3 different colors? - - Jeff K.

No orange that I know of. I checked out the last edition of the UK guide and
there are three listed, but they're yellow, green and pink, which backs up
what Terry was saying I guess.

Still on the subject of comics - can anyone who owns the Beneath adaptation
by Gold Key scan a panel or two and send it in? I've never seen any
interiors of this one in my life.

Alan

In a message dated 3/1/01 3:44:23 PM, alan@...
writes:

<< I've discovered a cure for this addiction - come and live in the UK. £19 a

figure?!?!? >>

How much is that in US $?

Matt (not knowledgable of conversion rates)

.html ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael Whitty" Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: RE: [pota] POTA questions about mags Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:07:56 +1100 By the way - anyone out there able to translate Argentinian? -----Original Message----- From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...] Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 22:59 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pota] POTA questions about mags Hi Ken, Hope you are recovering well - I have had a flu for about 2 weeks (and here comes winter time....)! Yes, that is the comic I recall you showing me. Terry, were you aware of this one? Do you have any more of the Argentinian comics for sale? Michael -----Original Message----- From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...] Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 17:52 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] POTA questions about mags Hi Michael, Apologies for the delayed response to this post. I've been sick w/ the flu for the last few days. With regards to foreign comics, I have a few representations from various countries in my collection which include Mexico, Spain, Portugal, Finland, France, U.K and of coarse Australia. Most of these are direct reprints of the Marvel magazines. Some include articles, again mostly reprints of the U.S stories. I have only one comic which features a newly created story line based on the TV series characters. It is from Argentina. It's dated Jan '77 and is a 36 page black and white comic. The graphics are kind of crummy but it's an interesting example all the same. See attached scan. Best, KEN Michael Whitty wrote: Terry (and Ken!)I recently visited Ken Taylor and he showed me some foreign language Planet of the Apes comics I found quite interesting. They were based on the TV Series.Ken, what country were these from again?Terry, are you aware of these/can you tell me more?Michael Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. <.html

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For your information, the average price to an Aussie for a Medicom figure is
$66.39 Australian ($35 U.S). 19 pounds is only $52.44 Aussie. Gee, what a
bargain, those crazy poms are practically giving them away!
Needless to say the poor Aussie dollar is indeed that...poor.
Best,
KEN

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