In a message dated 3/4/01 10:18:32 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<It's Sunday, "The Lone Gunmen" isn't doing it for me, and I've got work
tomorrow. So, let me hear what some of you think of this theory of mine. >>

You should have been watching "2001: A Space Odyessy" on Turner Classic
Movies or "Psycho" on American Movie Classics.

<<"You know in PLANET where Cornelius shows Taylor his map? Well, take a
good
look at the "dead sea," then find a map of the US that shows Chesapeake Bay
in Maryland and Virginia. Now turn the map so that the Atlantic Ocean is in
the south. What do you think?">>

I'm going to have to check that out...but it could be that the art directors
who were in charge of the map props for the first film were just a little
lazy!

<<The way the end of PLANET is shot, Taylor has to be riding north when he
finds the Statue of Liberty. So, the dead sea, the cornfield, Ape City, it's
all south and west of the Statue of Liberty. So, how come in BENEATH Brent
stumbles into Queensbourgh Plaza, which is east on New York City on Long
Island? Because of that I think there are some APES fans who think Ape City
is supposed to be on Long Island or in Connecticut, but I think it's more
probably in the Smokey Mountains someplace. This would have been a good
place for Caesar to take his people to hide in caves or something when the
bombs began to fall.

That, of course, would mean that the city in CONQUEST was part of a huge East
Coast megalopolis that would stretch from Boston to below Washington DC......
in 1991?!!!!!>>

I love reading this kind of stuff! Obviously, everyone on this list is aware
that the whole APES saga is full of continuity holes that would probably ruin
the films if one were to overthink them, but I like to hear the theories that
fans have to try to explain them all. It makes the overall concepts of the
film that much more enjoyable to me.

<<Alright, just one more thought. Can anyone explain to me how in BATTLE the
apes are wearing the same outfits they wear in PLANET? In 2000 years, give
or take a decade, the apes never changed their clothing style? (Just
another reason BATTLE is the silliest of the APES films, I think.)>>

Yeah, that bugs the hell out of me too! We can probably blame laziness and
lack of budget on that one. How cool would it have been to see the apes in
BATTLE dressed in outfits that had a look all their own.

<<Okay, that's "Enough of the Planet of the Apes." Everybody have a good
Monday. Those in the east (where PLANET took place), have a nice snow day
tomorrow, and also everyone remember that Wednesday is the day Arthur P.
Jacobs was born. Let's all tell Jeff to tell Natalie, "Happy Birthday to
Arthur.">>

Speaking of Natalie Trundy, was she ever in any other films besides the APES
ones?

Great post Rory!

Matt

In a message dated 3/4/01 4:28:31 PM Central Standard Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Time to dig up the ol' tv videos I guess, and wait for a character to yell
"Sergeant!" >>

I believe the M stands for Mean, and the V stands for Violent.
Either that or it's V=5 and M=1000.
Why they were put on in duct tape I just don't know.

In a message dated 3/4/01 8:38:18 PM Central Standard Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< As far as I know, filming has been extended to April (Ape-ril),
culminating in Hawaii. - >>

Whoo Hooo! That's one wrap party I'd like to attend.

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From: Brian Dumont

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:32 PM

Subject: [pota] TV Soldier Ape Rank Question

Time to dig up the ol' tv videos I guess, and wait for a character to yell "Sergeant!" to somebody on the show!
Ken Taylor or Mike W, can you help here?

B

MTotsky@... wrote:

Hey,

What do the big letters ("M," "V") on the front of some of the soldier apes
from the TV show mean? I am assuming that they designate rank. Which letter
goes with which rank?

One of the Medicom Soldier Apes has an "M" if someone doesn't know what I'm
talking about.

Thanks,

Matt
 
 

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Yes, March 7 is Arthur's birthday. Natalie likes to visit his grave on
certain occasions. It's not marked but she showed me where it is. He didn't
want a marker. Instead it's under a tree. Natalie played Jimmy Stewart's
daughter in "Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation" and her favorite role was in
Marlene Dietrich's "Monte Carlo Story" (she even sings!). Arthur met her on
that movie (he represented Marlene). For more credits, go to her website
www.natalietrundy.com .

- - - - Jeff Krueger

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] "It's just a theory."


>
> In a message dated 3/4/01 10:18:32 PM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> <<It's Sunday, "The Lone Gunmen" isn't doing it for me, and I've got work
> tomorrow. So, let me hear what some of you think of this theory of mine.
>>
>
> You should have been watching "2001: A Space Odyessy" on Turner Classic
> Movies or "Psycho" on American Movie Classics.
>
> <<"You know in PLANET where Cornelius shows Taylor his map? Well, take a
> good
> look at the "dead sea," then find a map of the US that shows Chesapeake
Bay
> in Maryland and Virginia. Now turn the map so that the Atlantic Ocean is
in
> the south. What do you think?">>
>
> I'm going to have to check that out...but it could be that the art
directors
> who were in charge of the map props for the first film were just a little
> lazy!
>
> <<The way the end of PLANET is shot, Taylor has to be riding north when he
> finds the Statue of Liberty. So, the dead sea, the cornfield, Ape City,
it's
> all south and west of the Statue of Liberty. So, how come in BENEATH Brent
> stumbles into Queensbourgh Plaza, which is east on New York City on Long
> Island? Because of that I think there are some APES fans who think Ape
City
> is supposed to be on Long Island or in Connecticut, but I think it's more
> probably in the Smokey Mountains someplace. This would have been a good
> place for Caesar to take his people to hide in caves or something when the
> bombs began to fall.
>
> That, of course, would mean that the city in CONQUEST was part of a huge
East
> Coast megalopolis that would stretch from Boston to below Washington
DC......
> in 1991?!!!!!>>
>
> I love reading this kind of stuff! Obviously, everyone on this list is
aware
> that the whole APES saga is full of continuity holes that would probably
ruin
> the films if one were to overthink them, but I like to hear the theories
that
> fans have to try to explain them all. It makes the overall concepts of the
> film that much more enjoyable to me.
>
> <<Alright, just one more thought. Can anyone explain to me how in BATTLE
the
> apes are wearing the same outfits they wear in PLANET? In 2000 years,
give
> or take a decade, the apes never changed their clothing style? (Just
> another reason BATTLE is the silliest of the APES films, I think.)>>
>
> Yeah, that bugs the hell out of me too! We can probably blame laziness and
> lack of budget on that one. How cool would it have been to see the apes in
> BATTLE dressed in outfits that had a look all their own.
>
> <<Okay, that's "Enough of the Planet of the Apes." Everybody have a good
> Monday. Those in the east (where PLANET took place), have a nice snow day
> tomorrow, and also everyone remember that Wednesday is the day Arthur P.
> Jacobs was born. Let's all tell Jeff to tell Natalie, "Happy Birthday to
> Arthur.">>
>
> Speaking of Natalie Trundy, was she ever in any other films besides the
APES
> ones?
>
> Great post Rory!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey, getting Linda Harrison's autograph would be pretty cool, but why would
anyone want it on a baseball?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1413161136

Matt

Me -

I'm in Southampton, UK

miles from anything remotely ape related. There are some really *lucky*
people on this group.

> From: MTotsky@...
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:01:41 EST
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Where is everybody from?
>
> I'm new to the list, so excuse me if this has been discussed before, but I
> was just curious where everyone on the list was from. I know there are Ape
> fans on the list from England and Australia, but where else?
>
> Me, I'm from the Detroit, Michigan area.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'm in Huntsville, Texas. I'm surrounded by prisons. This is where President
Bush got his death toll up by killing all these prisoners during his reign as
Governor of Texas. I'm in between Dallas and Houston Texas.

Loc

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] "It's just a theory."

Okay group,

It's Sunday, "The Lone Gunmen" isn't doing it for me, and I've got work
tomorrow.   So, let me hear what some of you think of this theory of mine.   

You know in PLANET where Cornelius shows Taylor his map?   Well, take a good
look at the "dead sea,"  then find a map of the US that shows Chesapeake Bay
in Maryland and Virginia.  Now turn the map so that the Atlantic Ocean is in
the south.   What do you think?

The way the end of PLANET is shot, Taylor has to be riding north when he
finds the Statue of Liberty.  So, the dead sea, the cornfield, Ape City, it's
all south and west of the Statue of Liberty.
So, how come in BENEATH Brent stumbles into Queensbourgh Plaza, which is east
on New York City on Long Island?  Because of that I think there are some APES
fans who think Ape City is supposed to be on Long Island or in Connecticut,
but I think it's more probably in the Smokey Mountains someplace.  This would
have been a good place for Caesar to take his people to hide in caves or
something when the bombs began to fall.

That, of course, would mean that the city in CONQUEST was part of a huge East
Coast megalopolis that would stretch from Boston to below Washington DC......
in 1991?!!!!!

Alright, just one more thought.  Can anyone explain to me how in BATTLE the
apes are wearing the same outfits they wear in PLANET?   In 2000 years, give
or take a decade, the apes never changed their clothing style?   (Just
another reason BATTLE is the silliest of the APES films, I think.)

Okay, that's "Enough of the Planet of the Apes."   Everybody have a good
Monday.  Those in the east (where PLANET took place), have a nice snow day
tomorrow, and also everyone remember that Wednesday is the day Arthur P.
Jacobs was born.  Let's all tell Jeff to tell Natalie, "Happy Birthday to
Arthur."

-- Rory



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From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:13 PM

Subject: [pota] Fanning the flame

I kept an eye on the weekend edition of "Access Hollywood", hoping they would reshow the trailer so I could tape it. They didn't, but they had a segment on the hot movie websites. There were the official "Lord of the Rings", "Tomb Raider", etc. sites. But when they got to "Apes", instead of spotlighting the official site, they talked about the fan sites instead and how they were rocking. However, they only showed "The Visitor" site (www.planetoapes.tripod.com ) . That site says they are also going to be featured in "Entertainment Weekly". I don't know why they're getting all the press but anyway "Ape" fans in general seem to be the successors to those of "Star Trek" and "Star Wars". We seem to be getting noticed.

 

  Rory - -  I take it you're not receiving my e-mails to you?

 

                                                                       - - - Jeff Krueger

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] "It's just a theory."

Okay group,

It's Sunday, "The Lone Gunmen" isn't doing it for me, and I've got work
tomorrow.   So, let me hear what some of you think of this theory of mine.   

You know in PLANET where Cornelius shows Taylor his map?   Well, take a good
look at the "dead sea,"  then find a map of the US that shows Chesapeake Bay
in Maryland and Virginia.  Now turn the map so that the Atlantic Ocean is in
the south.   What do you think?

The way the end of PLANET is shot, Taylor has to be riding north when he
finds the Statue of Liberty.  So, the dead sea, the cornfield, Ape City, it's
all south and west of the Statue of Liberty.
So, how come in BENEATH Brent stumbles into Queensbourgh Plaza, which is east
on New York City on Long Island?  Because of that I think there are some APES
fans who think Ape City is supposed to be on Long Island or in Connecticut,
but I think it's more probably in the Smokey Mountains someplace.  This would
have been a good place for Caesar to take his people to hide in caves or
something when the bombs began to fall.

That, of course, would mean that the city in CONQUEST was part of a huge East
Coast megalopolis that would stretch from Boston to below Washington DC......
in 1991?!!!!!

Alright, just one more thought.  Can anyone explain to me how in BATTLE the
apes are wearing the same outfits they wear in PLANET?   In 2000 years, give
or take a decade, the apes never changed their clothing style?   (Just
another reason BATTLE is the silliest of the APES films, I think.)

Okay, that's "Enough of the Planet of the Apes."   Everybody have a good
Monday.  Those in the east (where PLANET took place), have a nice snow day
tomorrow, and also everyone remember that Wednesday is the day Arthur P.
Jacobs was born.  Let's all tell Jeff to tell Natalie, "Happy Birthday to
Arthur."

-- Rory



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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 10:14 AM

Subject: [pota] Trailer Snap Shots

Trailer Snap Shots!

 

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Coming soon:

Production Snap Shots!

 

Enjoy.

 

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<< I'm in Huntsville, Texas. I'm surrounded by prisons. This is where
President
Bush got his death toll up by killing all these prisoners during his reign
as
Governor of Texas. >>

Some folks might say they earned it. I don't believe people should be killed.
But I also don't believe killers should go free. But I sleep better knowing
that they're either behind bars or under six feet of dirt. I'd hate to think
of you a POTA fan at the tender mercies of those evil humans. We'd have a
reign of terror if someone didn't those dirtbags in line.
"Then the world would belong to a planet of apes!"
~~~Gov. Breck~~~~

My dos pesos worth,
A fellow Texan

Just a quick demographic,

How many fans would like the new film to be a thought provoking movie with
some Ape social strata, i.e., bureaucratic orangutans, war mongering gorillas
and scientific pacifistic chimps. And how many just want a gorilla wars
shoot 'em up. Or in this case, chop 'em up. And how many fans, like me
since I'm starting, would like a nice mix of the two? Just to quantify I
like mine 85/15 to 75/25% brain-brutality cocktail.
And let the sexual tensions fall where they may!



The Bitter T of a General Yen
Suss that one out if you can!
Talk about thought provoking!

Got mine in teh mail the other day - leave it to a DIY CD company to
create better package art for these two films than Fox could manage.
The Covers (well, it's one cover, but it's two sided - one features
Conquest and the other features Battle) are nice collages of images
from the films, and the liner notes feature some more pics, some that
I've never seen. I was surprised to see that fully half of
Conquest's score was not used in the film.

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> How cool would it have been to see the apes in
> BATTLE dressed in outfits that had a look all their own.

Okay, if Battle had not had so many things go wrong, would it still
have been a better movie?

Suppose they left the bomb subplot in;

Suppose the costumes were evolved versions of their slave clothes
(perhaps with bits of leather and/or armor added);

Suppose the mutants didn't look so much like Rat Patrol villains;

Suppose Aldo was not played like a petulant five year old (think
Ursus with a sword);

Suppose Don Murray and Hari Rhodes returned to play Breck and
MacDonald, rather than "the black man is the brother of my
predecessor's personal assistant . . ."

Could it have been good?

I'm really curious to read the original Dehn draft, where Caesar is
killed . . .

What "Battle" needed was a good dose of medieval swordplay. Just ask Tim
Burton! - - - Jeff Krueger

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From: "Phil " <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:06 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: "It's just a theory."


> --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> > How cool would it have been to see the apes in
> > BATTLE dressed in outfits that had a look all their own.
>
> Okay, if Battle had not had so many things go wrong, would it still
> have been a better movie?
>
> Suppose they left the bomb subplot in;
>
> Suppose the costumes were evolved versions of their slave clothes
> (perhaps with bits of leather and/or armor added);
>
> Suppose the mutants didn't look so much like Rat Patrol villains;
>
> Suppose Aldo was not played like a petulant five year old (think
> Ursus with a sword);
>
> Suppose Don Murray and Hari Rhodes returned to play Breck and
> MacDonald, rather than "the black man is the brother of my
> predecessor's personal assistant . . ."
>
> Could it have been good?
>
> I'm really curious to read the original Dehn draft, where Caesar is
> killed . . .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] "It's just a theory."

Okay group,

It's Sunday, "The Lone Gunmen" isn't doing it for me, and I've got work
tomorrow.   So, let me hear what some of you think of this theory of mine.   

You know in PLANET where Cornelius shows Taylor his map?   Well, take a good
look at the "dead sea,"  then find a map of the US that shows Chesapeake Bay
in Maryland and Virginia.  Now turn the map so that the Atlantic Ocean is in
the south.   What do you think?

The way the end of PLANET is shot, Taylor has to be riding north when he
finds the Statue of Liberty.  So, the dead sea, the cornfield, Ape City, it's
all south and west of the Statue of Liberty.
So, how come in BENEATH Brent stumbles into Queensbourgh Plaza, which is east
on New York City on Long Island?  Because of that I think there are some APES
fans who think Ape City is supposed to be on Long Island or in Connecticut,
but I think it's more probably in the Smokey Mountains someplace.  This would
have been a good place for Caesar to take his people to hide in caves or
something when the bombs began to fall.

That, of course, would mean that the city in CONQUEST was part of a huge East
Coast megalopolis that would stretch from Boston to below Washington DC......
in 1991?!!!!!

Alright, just one more thought.  Can anyone explain to me how in BATTLE the
apes are wearing the same outfits they wear in PLANET?   In 2000 years, give
or take a decade, the apes never changed their clothing style?   (Just
another reason BATTLE is the silliest of the APES films, I think.)

Okay, that's "Enough of the Planet of the Apes."   Everybody have a good
Monday.  Those in the east (where PLANET took place), have a nice snow day
tomorrow, and also everyone remember that Wednesday is the day Arthur P.
Jacobs was born.  Let's all tell Jeff to tell Natalie, "Happy Birthday to
Arthur."

-- Rory



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>From: JSe3689836@...

>

> Hey Lynne, saw your posting from last weekend on the Memphis Fest. Glad

>to see you got your calendar marked. I got it on my schedule too. It would be

>great to have a good fan turnout. And it's perfect timing what with the new

>flick coming out a few days before. Apes & Elvis, what a scene it could be!

>Best regards from the Forbidden Zone, John P.S. What's with the "nbsp"

>in your posts? There are lines and lines of it. Just curious, J.

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.htmlT-Zero,

I always like my POTA to be thought-provoking because that's the essence of
what Boulle created.  I will very much HATE the new film if it's empty-headed.

What I'd really like is to see is you use your real name.  What are you
hiding?!!!!

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<< What I'd really like is to see is you use your real name. What are you
hiding?!!!! >>

Why do YOU want to know? But all paranoia aside. The cyber world is filled
with pit falls. All they need is your real name and a couple of your numbers
and your credit is ruined. Anonymity is the new frontier. And this is old
hat for me. I never used my real name in a band. And in the Buckaroo Banzai
news group I am BBI Laredo. Those of you who may have been punk rockers know
real names are often dropped early on. And it's a Texas thing as well. Even
among the Washington press corps, they can't wait to get their presidential
nickname.

In a message dated 3/5/01 6:01:32 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< (Whatever your real name is!) >>

Hey even my parents call me T

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Paranoia IS the cyber-world.

Well, I've been on the web a little over a year and I guess if anyone wanted
to ruin my credit they'd have done it by now, but they haven't -- yet.  Lousy
human bastards!

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:15:58 -0800 "Jack Krueger"
<williejoe@...> writes:

> "Conquest" and "Battle" don't necessarily take place in the same
> area as "Planet".

PLANET and BENEATH take place on the East Coast near what was once NYC,
ESCAPE, CONQUEST, BATTLE, and the TV series all take place on the West
Coast.


Chris L.

____

Lynne, your posts have a whole lot of nbsp's. Anyone else getting these?
John

.htmlOkay, I think we have something of a debate going on here!

Could someone please explain to me how CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on the
West Coast?

It makes no sense!!  Look, in BATTLE you had the mutants, one of whom was
named Mendez, and they are the ancestors of the mutants in BENEATH.  The
mutants in BENEATH lived in what was New York City.  In the uncut version of
BATTLE they even show the Alpha-Omega Bomb.

So, if BATTLE is supposed to take place on the West Coast, how do the mutants
and their bomb end up in New York 2000 years later?  What did they do, schlep
all the way across the country with a doomsday bomb?!!!!

Obviously, BATTLE takes place on the East Coast and the city shown destroyed
was part of a megalopolis that connected to what was once New York City.  I
can believe the mutants dragging their bomb through the subways to finally
settle in beneath New York, but I can't believe they'd haul it all the way
across the country.

So then, if BATTLE takes place in the east, then it follows that CONQUEST had
to as well.   It had to!   And don't give me that "it says this or that" in
the novelization.  Don't we have a hard enough time dealing with the
screenwriters' inconsistencies without bringing in the novelization writers?

Okay, so it's settled then, right?   CONQUEST and BATTLE took place in the
East of the U.S., right?  RIGHT?!!!

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In a message dated 3/5/01 10:53:27 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<Could someone please explain to me how CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on
the
West Coast?>>

Hmmm.....I'm not sure. I guess I always assumed they took place somewhere on
the left coast because they followed ESCAPE and that film took place in
California. But Armando was in a traveling circus, so he could have been
anywhere during the events of CONQUEST.

<<It makes no sense!! Look, in BATTLE you had the mutants, one of whom was
named Mendez, and they are the ancestors of the mutants in BENEATH. The
mutants in BENEATH lived in what was New York City. In the uncut version of
BATTLE they even show the Alpha-Omega Bomb.>>

How do we know that the two Mendez characters were related? Just because two
people (or mutants) have the same last name doesn't mean they are related.
And the events in the uncut version of BATTLE do not mean a thing. They were
cut, so they are not canon. With that logic, Nova would have gotten pregnant
in the first film.

<<So, if BATTLE is supposed to take place on the West Coast, how do the
mutants
and their bomb end up in New York 2000 years later? What did they do, schlep
all the way across the country with a doomsday bomb?!!!!>>

Hmmmm....you're right.....transporting a doomsday bomb thousands of miles
across the country makes little sense, but I guess if that was the case, it
could be done in 2000 years time. Maybe they loaded it on to one of their
school buses and drove cross-country.

<<Obviously, BATTLE takes place on the East Coast and the city shown
destroyed
was part of a megalopolis that connected to what was once New York City. I
can believe the mutants dragging their bomb through the subways to finally
settle in beneath New York, but I can't believe they'd haul it all the way
across the country.>>

You make a strong case Rory. I will have to think about it a bit before I
adopt it into my own personal canon, but you have some valid points.

Matt

I don't know about Conquest and Battle being on the West coast but the TV
series does for sure. In the episode "Gladiator" I believe (I haven't watched
them all yet just the first two and I think the second is called Gladiator)
they show a map of North America and Dr. Zaius points to a spot on the map of
where the West coast of the US would be where they are and are searching for
the humans and Galen.

Loc

In a message dated 3/5/01 9:38:26 PM Central Standard Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

<< Lynne, your posts have a whole lot of nbsp's. Anyone else getting these?
John >>

I get more nbsp? than words. But Terry's are loaded with <DIV/>s

<< Okay, so it's settled then, right? CONQUEST and BATTLE took place in the
East of the U.S., right? RIGHT?!!! >>

I don't recall what state Gov. Breck was the governor of. It could be
anywhere since the circus traveled all over. I doubt that if Ape City
remained in it's original place that they could walk to LA in three days.
Judging from the apparent time spent traveling to the Forbidden Zone in the
first film it would have to be New York. The writer sure let the fans do all
the thinking on this one.

.htmlLOOK IVE BEEN ON THIS LIST FOR A WHILE AND I HAVENT SAID NOTHING WELL NOW U
PEOPLE CAN NOTICE ME...

MY NAME IS BROOKE AND IM FROM NEWYORK
I HAVE NO LIFE, ;o

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> From: LordTZer0@...
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:56:42 EST
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Poll
>
>
>
>
> Just a quick demographic,
>
> How many fans would like the new film to be a thought provoking movie with
> some Ape social strata, i.e., bureaucratic orangutans, war mongering gorillas
> and scientific pacifistic chimps. And how many just want a gorilla wars
> shoot 'em up. Or in this case, chop 'em up. And how many fans, like me
> since I'm starting, would like a nice mix of the two? Just to quantify I
> like mine 85/15 to 75/25% brain-brutality cocktail.
> And let the sexual tensions fall where they may!
>
>
>
> The Bitter T of a General Yen
> Suss that one out if you can!
> Talk about thought provoking!
>
>
>
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>

In a message dated 3/5/01 11:40:40 PM Central Standard Time,
ladymyzery58@... writes:

<< MY NAME IS BROOKE AND IM FROM NEWYORK
I HAVE NO LIFE, ;o >>

You have now Brooke, you have now.

;-))
T

Welcome to the group Brooke.

How long have you had a Planet of the Apes addiction?

Michael (from Australia)

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In a message dated 3/5/01 11:40:40 PM Central Standard Time,
ladymyzery58@... writes:

<< MY NAME IS BROOKE AND IM FROM NEWYORK
I HAVE NO LIFE, ;o >>

You have now Brooke, you have now.

;-))
T

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Everyone - not sure if its already been said as i have a major backlog of emails, but...

 

I found the url for the trailer to be downloaded from - be aware - i think this is the 20MB version!!!

 

go here:::

 

http://www.movie-list.com/p/planetoftheapes..html"

 

also a great site for other trailers..

 

cheers!!

 

Matt from Melbourne, Australia

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Interesting theory Rory. Raises questions about simian cartography. In
looking at the map, though, it could also be the tri-state area. You got the
remains of LI, Connecticut & NY/NJ. It's possible the ANSA ship went down in
the LI Sound. I like the Chesapeake Bay point, because Linda H. is originally
from Berlin, Maryland. I'm not clear on how you determined Taylor was riding
north. But when you get right down to it, I guess you can say that POTA is
just a state of mind. It's here, it's there, it's everywhere (Pardon me,
gettin' very philosophical bein' snowed in today. Yeah, the snow finally got
here.) Good snow day film on AMC at 12 Noon eastern. The one, the only,
Gunga Din. "More water Gunga Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!!!!!!!!!

--- In pota@y..., JSe3689836@a... wrote:

> I'm not clear on how you determined Taylor was riding
> north.

At the end? He's riding north 'cuz the Atlantic Ocean is to his
right (east). . .

Hi Brooke, My Name is KC and I am from Los Angeles, i do have a life, its
called Planet OF The Apes, I will be getting my tattoo this weekend. it will
be of the chimpanze patch they wear on their suits. its cool. see ya all
7/27/01!!!

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Topics in this digest:

1. Re: "It's just a theory."
From: locutusatwolf359@...
2. Re: Memphis
From: LordTZer0@...
3. Re: "It's just a theory."
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4. Re: Digest Number 341
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5. Re: Poll
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Hey Brooke, welcome to the list. I have a quasi-life. POTA and the
occasional rude interruptions of real life. Go Apes, John

One of the great things about snow days is that I get to hear Howard do
the news. He's a big Burton fan and they mentioned POTA. Had a clip of Burton
talking about the "reimagining" (yes, he used that word) Gave the spiel about
approaching the mythology from another direction. He mentioned how he liked
having a "clear cut villian". Sounded like clips from a news conference.
Howard then mentioned how the original was about discrimination, about how
the apes were just as bad as man. But then he said that he has faith in Tim &
how he is looking forward to the new flick. I hope he has Tim & Estella on
the show come this summer. Go Apes, John

Alexander Ruiz <prophecysite@...> wrote:

>Well, when it comes too deeper meanings to the original POTA.
>Half of us or maybe even more would never had know if it were
>not for the "Behind the Planet of the Apes Doc".

I don't know about that - I'd say that the protest in Beneath (Vietnam), the
trail scene in the original (McCarthy and friends) and the Conquest finale
(Watts) were all pretty obvious to me - even from a reasonably young age.

I do admit however that the "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" (or
whichever order it comes in) was completely lost on me until I saw the
documentary.

Oh yeah... and I can't say I ever read anything into the school bus... :)

>So as for deeper meanings in the remake or revisit,
>truth is you can find a deeper meaning in just about
>anything...

Even "Batman & Robin"...?

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>Alright, just one more thought. Can anyone explain to me how in BATTLE the
>apes are wearing the same outfits they wear in PLANET? In 2000 years,

give

>or take a decade, the apes never changed their clothing style? (Just
>another reason BATTLE is the silliest of the APES films, I think.)

Well of course we're all agreed that the budget was the real reason. But for
continuity's sake, I've come up with my own theory...

Why bother to change the costumes? Perhaps they were practical. There are
only really two real dictators of clothing trends - practicality and
fashion. The apes had a design that worked, so they saw no need to change
it. Aesthetics, after all, is just SO human...

From a practical viewpoint, they were rebuilding civilisation from scratch -
they'd have more important things to create than new-look garments.

The apes had no need to change the clothing for any practical purpose, and
were not concerned with "fashion". Therefore the clothing design stayed.

The humans of course were still obsessed with fashion and over the course of
many centuries "regular" clothes gave way to rising hemlines and no sleeves.

The great apes Jorjio and Ahrmaani found "the human look" most distasteful.

Alan

Jeff Krueger <williejoe@...> wrote:

>What "Battle" needed was a good dose of medieval swordplay. Just ask Tim
>Burton! - - - Jeff Krueger

No, what "Battle" needed was a good miserable ending! The bomb scenes may
have been cut out, but at least we got the greeting statue to give us at
least a hint of an unhappy ending!

Up with downbeat! Down with upbeat!

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>Could someone please explain to me how CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on

the

>West Coast?
>[lots of Rory's argument snipped]

I agree with everything you wrote, Rory. I've always thought that Conquest
and Battle took place in New York, although I suppose it could be somewhere
else in that area, and that the Ape City in Battle was the foundation of the
Ape City in the original film.

To me, assuming that they all took place in the same area just seems right.
It always has, so much so that I never really stopped to think about it.

Alan

<locutusatwolf359@...> wrote:

>I don't know about Conquest and Battle being on the West coast but the TV
>series does for sure. In the episode "Gladiator" I believe (I haven't

watched

>them all yet just the first two and I think the second is called Gladiator)
>they show a map of North America and Dr. Zaius points to a spot on the map

of

>where the West coast of the US would be where they are and are searching

for

>the humans and Galen.

Yes, you're right... but perhaps a bigger clue is that "The Trap" takes
place in San Francisco and "The Legacy" takes place in Oakland!

Alan

> Well of course we're all agreed that the budget was the real

reason. But for

> continuity's sake, I've come up with my own theory...
>
> Why bother to change the costumes? Perhaps they were practical.

There are

> only really two real dictators of clothing trends - practicality and
> fashion. The apes had a design that worked, so they saw no need to

change

> it.

Sure, but the point is that in Battle, all of a sudden they instantly
have clothes from the first film. After teh sort of clever color
coding of the slave clothes, they're instantly wearing the Morton
Haack designs from teh first film.

> From a practical viewpoint, they were rebuilding civilisation from

scratch -

> they'd have more important things to create than new-look garments.

But chronologically speaking, that's precisely what they did. It
would have made more sense to hang rank insignia on the slave suits.

I'm gad to be on

.htmlYeah, I heard that POTA mention on Howard today, too.  Stern is a POTA fan
and also said he can't wait to see the new film.  I wonder if he has the
originals on DVD, though I also heard him yesterday talk with Robin on how
much he hates letterboxing.

I think watching PLANET and its sequels letterboxed is a must.  Anybody out
there still watching it pan&scan?

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Here's a comparison shot of the Medicom Caesar variant with the
Cornelius figure. The Caesar hasn't been retouched at all yet.

.htmlYou'll get no argument from me that the TV series took place on the West
Coast.  The show made that pretty obvious.

What's a bigger issue with me is should the TV show be considered a
continuation of the movie series.  I argue that it should NOT!!!!

Both ape cultures, in the films and in the show, were similar, with the same
clothing and buildings, yet it is ridiculous to think that these two isolated
simian cultures, on opposite sides of a continent, would develop in such
similar fashion.

I think it's better to think of the TV show as "based" on the film series,
just as the cartoon show was "based" on the film series.

In fact, I'll say something even more controversial:  As far as I'm concerned
the Charlton Heston movie "Planet of the Apes" had only ONE sequel, titled
"Beneath the Planet of the Apes."  But "Beneath" had three sequels, "Escape,"
"Conquest" and "Battle."
First off it was the popularity of "Beneath" at the box office that brought
about further sequels, and in "Planet" the earth year was 3978, but in all
the other films it became 3955.

Okay, so give me an argument on that one.

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God Bless Morton Haack!!!!!!!!!!!! John

Death to Pan & Scan!!! Once you've had Letterbox, you never go back!!!!
Logic dictates, why not get all the picture you pay for! John

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lived in Italy.

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Yeah,

Howard likes Apes.
But the real fan on that show is John!
He goes Ape shit over Apes!

In a message dated 3/6/01 2:46:12 PM Central Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

<< No, what "Battle" needed was a good miserable ending! >>
Now your talking! It would have been great if Klob made it back to the city
to shoot the bomb at Ape City only to have it go off prematurely. BABOOM!
Perfect ending.

In a message dated 3/6/01 2:48:36 PM Central Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

<< he apes had no need to change the clothing for any practical purpose, and
were not concerned with "fashion". Therefore the clothing design stayed. >>

Yes, but the color schemes would tend to reinforce the class system in spite
of Caesar's efforts

"But the quota system's been abolished. You made it! Why can't I?"

.htmlCorona's Coming Attractions has an item today on a rumor that Fox has a
casting call going out for extras (men between the ages of 18-35, on the
large side and having to wear full body costumes) to film a scene with Mark
Walburg at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC on March 13th.

Could this be the surprise ending for the film?

-- Rory<.html

I've always thought that Conquest and Battle took place in New York, although
I suppose it could be somewhere else in that area, and that the Ape City in
Battle was the foundation of the Ape City in the original film. >>

I think the reason we all thought that Conquest took place in LA is because
it was shot in Century City. And though we know it, it could be set in any
old 1991 city with ape slaves and a police state.

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Saugerties, NY- Home of Woodstock 94 (something I'm not too proud of...).
And in case anyone is wondering, it's about 45 miles south of Albany.


Chris L.
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I was born in Watertown, NY.   I also lived for a time in Oneonta and went to
college in Binghamton where a guy named Rod Serling was from.

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In a message dated 3/6/01 5:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Anybody out there still watching it pan&scan? >>

I have them in both. But I rarely watch the pan and scans any more. It's
too televisiony. For a theater experiance I go for the letter box. I can't
wait for an affordable TV with the wide screen aspect ratio. Can any of you
folks with the latest technology tell me, are the DVDs letterboxed?

In a message dated 3/6/01 5:52:24 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Okay, so give me an argument on that one. >>

You know I'd like to, but I don't really have one.
We all know that Escape was thrown together to keep the money machine going.
But it's almost easier for The Beatles to resurrect John Lennon. Grated that
if you buy traveling into the future, than traveling into the past isn't much
of a stretch. The hard part to get over is Dr. Milo salvaging and launching
the ship. But the time travel aspect is cool.

.htmlAlex --

About this surprise ending....  "Don't look for it.... You may not like what
you find."

-- Rory<.html

Yes, almost all dvd's are letterboxed. There are a few that aren't for some
reason like most of the Stanley Kubrick collection and Transformers the movie
to name a few. Some of the dvd's have pan and scan on one side and
letterboxed on the other side of the disc.

Loc

.htmlT Zero (or whatever your name really is!) --

The DVD's of the Apes films are letterboxed ("Of course!" to quote a certain
doctor), however they are not anamorphic, or rather in the 16x9 widescreen TV
mode -- so skip getting the widescreen TV for now.

This was something of a stink when the APES DVD's came out.  It seems the
discs were supposed to come out very shortly after the THX videocassettes and
laserdiscs were released in late '98, but they got held up.  But Fox pressed
all the DVDs anyway.  Then the anamorphic thing becomes big with the high-end
DVD/home theatre crowd, and all the studios jump on the bandwagon.

So, Fox releases these non-anamorphic but letterboxed APES discs, BUT in a
"limited edition."  So, you know what that means:  Fox will be revisiting the
Planet of the Apes classics in the future to remaster them for anamorphic
DVDs that all of us (i.e. suckers) will HAVE to buy all over again.  This is
how it works in the land of home video -- the studios just keep selling you
the same movies over and over because there's always something new or extra
they find to add.

Well, with the original "Planet of the Apes" I don't really mind.  When an
anamorphic transfer is done then I'm going to have to get a widescreen TV and
a progressive scan DVD player, but for now I'll just keep saving my money.

So, Lord T (or whatever your name is!), get the DVDs, because POTA looks and
sounds better than ever on them (and if you have the THX tapes and think
they're fine, you haven't seen anything until you see how clear and sharp
PLANET looks on DVD), but keep saving your money on that widescreen TV --
they're still too expensive and the prices will really begin to drop in about
another year, which hopefully is when Fox will remaster the originals and I
HOPE put a lot more extras on the discs this time, God Damn Them All To
Hell!!!  Fox that is!

-- Rory<.html

Not to forget the whole "alternate universe" thang where Nixon wasn't even
president when the Apo-nauts visit.
Sorry, I'm being facetiuos.
Speaking of which ( and this is an observation not a complaint), there's a shot
of William Windom from "Escape" in the CD booklet for the Conquest / Battle Cd
soundtrack. What's that about?
Best,
KEN

LordTZer0@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/6/01 5:52:24 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << Okay, so give me an argument on that one. >>
>
> You know I'd like to, but I don't really have one.
> We all know that Escape was thrown together to keep the money machine going.
> But it's almost easier for The Beatles to resurrect John Lennon. Grated that
> if you buy traveling into the future, than traveling into the past isn't much
> of a stretch. The hard part to get over is Dr. Milo salvaging and launching
> the ship. But the time travel aspect is cool.
>
>
>
>

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That's not William Windom in the booklet for CONQUEST/BATTLE CD, but John
Randolph the Chairman of the Presidential Commission in ESCAPE, and appeared
in a clip in CONQUEST.  In real life he's a very old friend of Kim Hunter.  I
believe they both live in New York.

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I originally thought all DVDs would be letterboxed until I discovered that
even old classics like "The Maltese Falcon" were originally filmed for TV
dimension screens!! What a shame!!!

But if it was filmed in wide, the DVD will have that version (and sometimes
the pan and scan too).

If you do not own a DVD player, GET ONE!!!!

Michael

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In a message dated 3/6/01 5:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Anybody out there still watching it pan&scan? >>

I have them in both. But I rarely watch the pan and scans any more. It's
too televisiony. For a theater experiance I go for the letter box. I can't
wait for an affordable TV with the wide screen aspect ratio. Can any of you
folks with the latest technology tell me, are the DVDs letterboxed?

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.html Thanks Rory,
I stand corrected.
Still, even a shot of Felix Silla as a kid chimp would have been more appropriate.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

Ken --

That's not William Windom in the booklet for CONQUEST/BATTLE CD, but John
Randolph the Chairman of the Presidential Commission in ESCAPE, and appeared
in a clip in CONQUEST.  In real life he's a very old friend of Kim Hunter.  I
believe they both live in New York.

-- Rory

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.htmluhhh   i dunno what to say really....Planet of the apes kick ass

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I'm waiting for the recordable discs Mike. That's the real appeal to me.
I just don't buy that many movies. I'd like to use that with a Tivo unit.
But yes, wide-screen wasn't around before the introduction of Cinemascope on
September 16, 1953, for The Robe.
If you've ever seen movies from before then in the theater you may have
noticed they don't fill the entire screen. The wide screen format was used
to induce people back to the theaters after the increased popularity of TV in
the 50s. It's tough to put bums in seats if they can watch movie at home for
free, even if they do stick commercials in every ten or fifteen minutes. But
enough film clas for today.
Here's an idea to help movie makers lure people back to theater in the
twenty-first century, when we have uncut movies available on cable, satellite
and prerecorded formats. Make better movies! Let's hope the new Apes
film is one of them.

In a message dated 3/7/01 6:53:25 PM Central Standard Time,
ladymyzery58@... writes:

<< uhhh i dunno what to say really....Planet of the apes kick ass

Brooke >>

I couldn't have said it better.

http://CLAYPEOPLE.onviasites.com/itoolincludes/10690.stm

Hi all,
I don't normally promote unliscenced APES items, but for those who are
interested, check out this site. I have the Cornelius kit which was sent
to me as a gift from a friend. It's pretty cool. Have a look around the
site. They also do some other fun stuff.
Not so much an accurate representation of the character, more of a
characature.
Best,
KEN

East Coast, West Coast, Schwest Coast!

The storylines for the five films will inevitably be a dramaturgical Swiss
Cheese. But, with so many holes, it makes for interesting viewing.

Just think, if it were nice and tidy, we'd have nothing to go on about.
Plus, the Haslein talk in Escape sort of explains everything tidily:

Just take an interesting slice from the time-space continuum, and make a
film.

There is enough space in the multiverse for just about anything....

M

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:32 AM

Subject: [pota] Downloadable Trailer

>Everyone - not sure if its already been said as i have a major backlog of emails, >but...

 

>I found the url for the trailer to be downloaded from - be aware - i think this is the >20MB version!!!

 

If I knew you guys were looking for a downlaodable trailer I would have sent you to Darkhorizon.com. His are downloadable as well.

That's how I was able to take snap shots, you have to have the trailer first.

 

Oh well.

 

Best,

 

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