.htmlGee MicCougar@...!!   Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think?

Actually, I agree to a point, but I don't have time at the moment to explain.
  More later....

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 3/28/01 11:53:36 PM Central Standard Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< The new movie isn't an APES film at all. >>

Well, it's an Apes movie. In that it has the same name, and it has talking
apes in it. I'd say that the similarities end there for the most part. I
don't know what Alex is on about, but I usually don't. I never said I was an
Apes fan. I'm a Kim Hunter fan. So my opinions tend to be in that
direction. It's only one of her films. Sure I like apes. I guess it was my
curiosity to find the woman behind the mask that peaked my interest in her.
But since all the characters are different, can it be called Apes? dunno.
don't care. I'd like to see what Ms. Carter does as lead she-ape, but since
she's only half ape, I guess I only half care. It's better than King Kong,
Mighty Joe Young or Space Balls. At least apes are back on the big screen,
whatever they do with their screen time. Why complain about what might have
been. At least if it does well there's a chance for more.

In a message dated 3/29/01 9:23:13 AM Central Standard Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< You, my friend, need to see "Time of the Apes". Nothing sillier than
Apes driving a car.
Spread the love, >>

I think it depends on the treatment it's given. If you treat it as a serious
subject it will be taken that way. The Time of the Apes, apes were pretty
silly walking, riding or driving.

.html In a message dated 3/29/01 10:23:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

You, my friend, need to see "Time of the Apes".  Nothing sillier than
Apes driving a car.

Phil --

I've seen it.   It's overall too silly, with poor masks.   If Boulle's novel
were handled by a great director (who?, I don't know), I think it would work,
but that's just my opinion.

-- Rory

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So is the original movie not an Apes movie because it was not true to the
original novel "Monkey Planet"?

Get off it!

LordTZer0,

Was there a movie "Bride of Kong"? I hope, if there was, you did not find
that big old thing attractive!:)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 5:54
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Apesma...

In a message dated 3/28/01 11:53:36 PM Central Standard Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< The new movie isn't an APES film at all. >>

Well, it's an Apes movie. In that it has the same name, and it has talking
apes in it. I'd say that the similarities end there for the most part. I
don't know what Alex is on about, but I usually don't. I never said I was
an
Apes fan. I'm a Kim Hunter fan. So my opinions tend to be in that
direction. It's only one of her films. Sure I like apes. I guess it was my
curiosity to find the woman behind the mask that peaked my interest in her.
But since all the characters are different, can it be called Apes? dunno.
don't care. I'd like to see what Ms. Carter does as lead she-ape, but since
she's only half ape, I guess I only half care. It's better than King Kong,
Mighty Joe Young or Space Balls. At least apes are back on the big screen,
whatever they do with their screen time. Why complain about what might have
been. At least if it does well there's a chance for more.

What the hell is this?

Matt

Matt <MTotsky@...> wrote:

>What the hell is [Time of the Apes]?

An appallingly bad Japanese PotA rip-off. Imagine how convincing a seventies
Godzilla film would be with quarter of the budget and you've got some idea
of how cheap this thing looks. So bad it's good.

And by a strange coincidence, I've only just seen it for the first time.
It's bizarre.

Alan

I've go to say that my views are halfway between those expressed by Alex and
mlccougar. On the one hand, I'm not about to go on and on about how this
isn't Planet of the Apes and real fans should disown it. But nor am I going
to go nuts over a film that I haven't seen.

I expressed an opinion based on my knowledge and experience - I don't like
the idea of a remake and I think some of the apes in it don't look that
good. People are obviously going to disagree but at least I'm basing my
opinions on what I've seen. If there's one thing I've learned from other
mailing lists, it's that as soon as anyone mentions how a "true fan" of
anything is supposed to behave, people start getting upset.

Who measures what a true fan is?

The more important question is who cares?

The very fact that we're on this mailing list and that we're passionate
enough to express strong views one way or another suggests we're all "true
fans". Alex is raving about the remake without having seen it. Mr Cougar is
condemning it to movie hell without having seen it. I'm stating that I think
it's a bad idea and would have preferred they didn't make it, but I'm still
going to give it a chance and go and see it. I don't think I'll be shocking
anyone particularly by saying that I don't expect to like it as much as the
originals. So who's the true fan here? We all have our reasons why we feel
like we do, I don't see that we can say one is right and the other is wrong.
I love the sequels while Rory thinks they're honking. Who's right?

I don't tell other Ape fans that they should behave like I do, nor do I
expect to be accused of not being a true fan for differing from someone
else's opinion. So let's not start this "true fan" nonsense - we all are, we
simply have differing views of what PotA should be. If we keep this up,
nobody will be able to spread the word about Ape fandom, because we'll all
have fallen out with each other long before the movie opens.

Rant over.

Now let's talk about fun things again, like Time of the Apes.

Oh, and I loved the Jason & Alexander stories too.

Alan

> I've go to say that my views are halfway between those expressed by Alex

and

> mlccougar. On the one hand, I'm not about to go on and on about how this
> isn't Planet of the Apes and real fans should disown it. But nor am I

going

> to go nuts over a film that I haven't seen.

Amen Alan. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

>
> I expressed an opinion based on my knowledge and experience - I don't like
> the idea of a remake and I think some of the apes in it don't look that
> good.

That's been my thinking all along. It seems like the film will have a lot
of things going for it . . . better technology, larger budget, etc., but
I've always thought that if it ain't broken, don't fix it.

I'm trying to be openminded, however. In the end though, it's pointless to
debate it. It really boils down to this . . . I won't know if I'm a fan of
the new film or not until July :)

.htmlALRIGHT!!!!   I'VE HAD IT!!!!!    I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!

When will people stop calling Boulle's novel "Monkey Planet"?!!!!

That was not the title, GOD DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!!   Some stupid Limey
publisher back in '63 called it that in England for about five minutes.   

The title is (in French) "La planete des singes"  or (in English)
"Planet of the Apes"!!!

It's true that the French don't have a word for apes, so 'singes' is monkey.  
Which I guess would in English literally translate as "The Planet of Monkeys."

But F*** that "Monkey Planet" shite!!!

-- Rory the pissed-off <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 3/29/01 5:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

It's bizarre.

I couldn't make it through the whole thing when I saw it a few years ago.  
Worse than bizzare -- PATHETIC!!!

Matt, don't give it a second thought.  Dreadfully bad movie.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlDear E-group --

In my humble opinion you are a true POTA fan if you're a geek over any aspect
of the POTA phenomenon, which started as a novel by this French dude, Pierre
Boulle, back in 1963.

Maybe you think the book is the greatest thing, or the first film, or perhaps
it's Ursus and the gorilla army battling mutants BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE
APES that turns you on, or maybe you just spank-the-monkey over Nova.

Whatever!!!    Let's just except that we're not all the same.  Some of us are
Chimpanzees, some Gorillas, others Orangutans (and then there's those who are
just "Bloody Baboons!!!").

Get it?   Didn't any of you learn the lessons from these movies and shows and
comics when you were kids?

"Can't we all just get along?"

-- Rory<.html

Well put, Rory. There are as many different POTA fans as there will be
caves in the side of the cliffs in the new flick. But we're all in this
together. I'm just gonna enjoy the ride to 7.27.01!!!! John

Although "The Gamesters of Triskelion" was pretty damn close. I've read
that Angelique PettyJohn tested for Nova. In the first issue of Sci-Fi
Universe they have her standing on a studio beach wearin' something lookin
like a shammy. In the Encyclopedia Shatnerica there's a listing for
Angelique. Shatner is asked about her. He says..."Was she the one with the
big breasts? I remember her" They then mention that she auditioned for POTA,
..."almost earning her the dubious distinction of sharing the screen with
both Shatner & Heston" Or words to that effect. Anyhow, pretty
funny......Enjoy, John

<< Definitely Terry Gilliam (have you seen how he treated the remake of an old
20 minute French Sci-Fi Filck from the 60s - 12 Monkeys?) would be the best
to direct a Boulleisation! >>

I suggested Gilliam long before Burton signed on. And yes I say that piece
of Frog crap. It was all done with slides. It sucked!

<< So is the original movie not an Apes movie because it was not true to the
original novel "Monkey Planet"? >>

Well, that's just like your opinion, man.

<< Alex is raving about the remake without having seen it. >>

I'm not going to name names, but what's with this bitching, back stabbing and
tantrums? I'd hoped people were above that sort of thing. That's all I'm
saying about it and hope it's all I have to. Can we please comment on the
films and not shoot each other down for our comments?

I sent this link out a few weeks ago and no one responded, so I'll send it
again.

I found this piece of fan fiction that tied the POTA TV series (and some
elements of the first two films) to Star Trek: The Next Generation. I am not
a big Star Trek fan (I respect it, but have never felt compelled to jump on
the bandwagon), but I knew enough about it to make this enjoyable. Still, I
thought this story was pretty clever. If you are a fan of both series, you
may find this cool:

http://verona.simplenet.com/alt.fan.q/general/Evol-Q-tion

Let me know what you think.

Matt

In a message dated 3/28/01 10:12:05 PM Central Standard Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< Just the opposite.
I've had a real job all my life even to this day, and still have found the
time.

But that's the difference... >>

I checked Spleenworld. His last update was two years ago! Talk about
Slackin'. How does his site still come up first page on a google search?

.html <.html

.htmlPOTA fans should also remember that it was John Chambers who designed Spock's
original ears.

-- Rory<.html

At 11:12 PM 3/29/01 -0500, you wrote:

>POTA fans should also remember that it was John Chambers who designed Spock's
>original ears.

Actually they weren't the original ears. To hear Nimoy tell the story,
the *original* ears were hideous looking things that didn't look at all
like a natural part of his head, but looked like Mickey Mouse ears that
fit over his own ears like earmuffs. It was when Nimoy complained
about how silly they looked that a more professional makeup artist
was hired to design something that looked appropriately believable.

--

Brian C. Madsen
BCMadsen@...
(work: brian.madsen@...)
http://home.earthlink.net/~bcmadsen/

.htmlAlex --

"You're supposed to be the optimist.  Look on the bright side."

-- Rory<.html

.html"miccougar" posted earlier that the new APES movie isn't an APES movie at
all, but rather a piece of crap.  I understand his point, but look, the
original series ended with BATTLE.  That was it.  If it pleases you to think
it continued into the TV show, fine.

The point I want to make here -- and I'm not trying to defend doing a
"re-imagining" at all -- is that there's no way Fox would have made a new
APES film using the old makeup design by Chambers.  It's dated, and I think
most of you would agree that it looks kind of primitive now.

So, since the ape makeup wouldn't look the same, then you're really doing a
'new' PLANET OF THE APES movie no matter what approach you take.

Another thing that should, in fairness to Fox, be considered is that a
mega-million dollar production like this has got to appeal to the WORLD
boxoffice.   The studio could afford to make a six million dollar Sci-Fi
movie in the Sixties that was literate and concerned issues appealing mostly
to the domestic boxoffice, but not today.  People in India or China or outer
Mongolia are probably only going to get a picture that's primarily action, so
hence the approach they're taking.

Of course, I haven't read the script and maybe something of substance is
going to be put in between all the battles.  I hope so.

It's just wait and see.   Expect the worst, but hope for the best, because
then if the worst doesn't happen, you're that much more pleased.  

Anyway, I hope Raven hasn't been put off by all this uproar!  LOL!

-- Rory<.html

I think the recent dialogue here is good. I like these debates. As long as it
does not get personal and spin out of control into a flame war, I can be live
with it.

My personal opinion is that yes, the new film is a Planet of the Apes film.
That is the title and that is how I will view it. But beyond that, it really
has nothing to do with the original film series. I view them as too seperate
entities. If you choose not to, then that's cool too. I like to view the
original 5 films and the TV series as a cohesive unit, because that's what
works for me and adds to my enjoyment. Others (Rory) do not, and that is fine
as well. I love the novel, but don't really consider it as part of that
previously mentioned cohesive unit. Yes, it was the inspiration, but I don't
see it as being in the same universe as the films and TV series. Again,
whatever works for you.

I am looking forward to it mainly because it is an ape film and secondly
because it is a Burton film. I am a big Burton fan and will see whatever he
makes (even if it is a remake of "Steel Magnolias"). I can accept that others
are not Burton fans. The bottom line is that no one has seen the film. Until
July 27, any opinion on whether it is good or not, is not really a valid one
in my opinion.

Man, I'm glad this is not a Batman list or we would really have our hands
full. What is the real Batman? The comics? If so what era? Batman comics from
the 1950s and ones from the 1980s are two very differnt animals. How about
the Adam West TV show? How about the Burton films and the two crummy
Schumacher sequels? How about the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini animated series?
(That's my personal favorite Batman incarnation). How about the Superfriends?
How about the radio serials? Novels?

How about James Bond? Are only the Sean Connery films valid? If so, the how
come "Never Say Never Again" is not considered canon? Author Ian Fleming
didn't even care for Connery. He would have preferred David Niven. Does that
make "Casino Royale" the quinnessential Bond film? Hopefully not. And talk
about continuity. How come this guy hasn't aged in 40 years?

OK, I have digressed, but hopefully my point of "different strokes for
different folks" has been made.

Matt

Is Philo Beddoe in the new film?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/29/01 10:14:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> pjn1209@e... writes:
>
>
> > With the exception of Cronenberg's "The Fly" and
> >
>
> Phil --
>
> You thought these two remakes were good?!!!

You say it like these are radical opinions I have! Carpenter's films
have sucked since he parted ways with cinematographer Dean Cundey,
and critics hated "The Thing" in 1982, but it's gradually gained a
following, as well as some respect. Probably his last good horror
film.

And Cronenberg is - well, no point in debating Cronenberg here. I
just thought The Fly was a textbook model of how to do a remake.

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Definitely Terry Gilliam (have you seen how he treated the remake

of an old

> 20 minute French Sci-Fi Filck from the 60s - 12 Monkeys?) would be

the best

> to direct a Boulleisation!
>
> Anyone else got suggestions?

I had one, but you took it . . .

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> I couldn't make it through the whole thing when I saw it a few

years ago.

> Worse than bizzare -- PATHETIC!!!
>
> Matt, don't give it a second thought. Dreadfully bad movie.

What I loved about it was that it just borrowed exposition from
POTA. It assumed the audience knew that if you went into suspended
animation, OF COURSE the world would be run by apes when you woke
up. It just assumed the audience had seen POTA and didn't bother
explaining things all over again.

But if you want to see a military chimp (with an ascot) being driven
around in a Buick Skylark, this is your film.

It's as if Sid and Marty Krofft got the rights to make a APES TV movie!

Phil wrote:

> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> > I couldn't make it through the whole thing when I saw it a few
> years ago.
> > Worse than bizzare -- PATHETIC!!!
> >
> > Matt, don't give it a second thought. Dreadfully bad movie.
>
> What I loved about it was that it just borrowed exposition from
> POTA. It assumed the audience knew that if you went into suspended
> animation, OF COURSE the world would be run by apes when you woke
> up. It just assumed the audience had seen POTA and didn't bother
> explaining things all over again.
>
> But if you want to see a military chimp (with an ascot) being driven
> around in a Buick Skylark, this is your film.
>
>
>
>
>

.html Hi everyone, I have a question that someone may be able to help me out with,
I just recently purchased a Don Post Cornelius mask. And I know there were 2
different series released, one in 1974 and one in 1983, There are no dates
imprinted on the mask. Does anyone know hoe to tell the difference? Thank you
Rob

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.html Dear E-group --

In my humble opinion you are a true POTA fan if you're a geek over any aspect
of the POTA phenomenon, which started as a novel by this French dude, Pierre
Boulle, back in 1963.

Maybe you think the book is the greatest thing, or the first film, or perhaps
it's Ursus and the gorilla army battling mutants BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE
APES that turns you on, or maybe you just spank-the-monkey over Nova.

Whatever!!!    Let's just except that we're not all the same.  Some of us are
Chimpanzees, some Gorillas, others Orangutans (and then there's those who are
just "Bloody Baboons!!!").

Get it?   Didn't any of you learn the lessons from these movies and shows and
comics when you were kids?

"Can't we all just get along?"

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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Yes,

I think he has Paul Giantini (spelling?) crapping in a police vehicle!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: jameshburns@... [jameshburns@...]
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 15:50
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 372


Is Philo Beddoe in the new film?

In a message dated 3/29/01 9:41:48 PM Central Standard Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< http://verona.simplenet.com/alt.fan.q/general/Evol-Q-tion >>

Went there.
No page came up.

.html <.html

.html "I'm not saying all Ape Fans are evil, simply because their heads are empty, NO!  But the only GOOD ape fan is a DEAD ape-fan!"
 
 

Eeeghad!  What am I saying?!!!
 
 
 

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

Alex, you really have to stop attacking people who do not like certain things about the remake.  Your devotion is admirable, but in a way it is comparable to a religious fanatic who is blindly faithful to an uncertain concept for all the wrong reasons.  Live and let live Alex.  Don't dampen your enthusiasm, just stop attacking people.

Hey Mike don't get me wrong...I'm the one being attacked here!

Everytime I say something about the remake, I GET ATTACKED!

But hey no problem.

As you said, Live and let live.

Later guys.

Alex

<.html

Hi Rory!
No I haven't been put off by the list. I have just
been sitting back and reading all the posts. Its been
interesting thats for sure. LOL I am in agreement that
everyone has a right to his or her own opinions and I
imagine that everyone on this list has his or her
favorites. I love all the apes movies, books and am
really looking forward to seeing the new movie in
July. I am not a fanatic or anything by no means, but
I do appreciate the whole "POTA" concept and just
enjoy it. I even got my little 11 year old brother
into the POTA movies this past weekend. He came to
spend the night with my husband and I we put the
original movie in and he was glued to the tv the whole
time! It was great and now this weekend he wants to
come back and watch Beneath. Anyways I am digressing
and hope everyone has a beautiful weekend! Take care
you guys!

Raven

In a message dated 3/30/01 11:10:13 AM, WideTrackGT@... writes:

<< I even got my little 11 year old brother
into the POTA movies this past weekend. He came to
spend the night with my husband and I we put the
original movie in and he was glued to the tv the whole
time! It was great and now this weekend he wants to
come back and watch Beneath.>>

That's awesome! I can't wait to get my son into the Apes, but he is only 2
1/2, so I think he is still a bit too young for it.

I remember watching them for the first time when I was 6 or 7...what I
wouldn't give for that magical feeling again.

Matt

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>It's true that the French don't have a word for apes, so 'singes' is

monkey.

>Which I guess would in English literally translate as "The Planet of

Monkeys."

>
>But F*** that "Monkey Planet" shite!!!

Planet of the Monkeys, Monkey Planet... come on, what's the difference
really?

Alan

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

><< Alex is raving about the remake without having seen it. >>
>
>I'm not going to name names, but what's with this bitching, back stabbing

and

>tantrums? I'd hoped people were above that sort of thing.

I hope that's not based on my comment above - I meant "raving" as in "giving
it rave reviews", not as in "he's a raving loony". Certainly no malice
intended.

Alan

Phil <pjn1209@...> wrote:

>What I loved about it was that it just borrowed exposition from
>POTA. It assumed the audience knew that if you went into suspended
>animation, OF COURSE the world would be run by apes when you woke
>up. It just assumed the audience had seen POTA and didn't bother
>explaining things all over again.

Not true! It must have given... ooh, at least ten seconds of explanation.
Humans got lazy, used apes for everything, got wiped out. That's about it
really.

>But if you want to see a military chimp (with an ascot) being driven
>around in a Buick Skylark, this is your film.

Agreed. This film is so bad it's good.

Alan

.htmlI'm glad you're still with us.  I'm also always glad to hear when some child
sees the original film and really gets into it.  I certainly did back when I
was a eight-year-old (maybe too much!  LOL!).

I'd be interested in hearing what your brother's reaction is to BENEATH.  I
saw it when I was ten, and even then I can't say I really liked it.  I saw it
at a premiere theatre in Manhatten, and the ending really disturbed me in a
bad way.  I remember leaving the theatre and looking at the city and thinking
"This is all going to get blown up, then blown up for good!"  LOL!!!  Those
movies really had me thinking as a kid that nuclear war was going to happen.  
It wasn't until my late teenage years that I finally decided "it just ain't
gonna happen."   Well, so far so good -- we're all still here.

Anyway, I hope he enjoys BENEATH, but oh that ending!!!   If he says he
didn't like it, throw on ESCAPE fast!!!

Have a good weekend,
Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 3/30/01 2:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

Planet of the Monkeys, Monkey Planet... come on, what's the difference
really?

Alan

Okay, Alan, whatever.  That posting was meant as a joke anyway.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 3/30/01 2:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

Humans got lazy, used apes for everything, got wiped out. That's about it
really.

That was Boulle's idea!!    I wonder if anybody got sued over that movie?   
Then again it was so awful, why bother?

-- Rory<.html

<< F*** that "Monkey Planet" shite!!! >>

This isn't Planet of the A**holes!

Take a tip from Dr. Buckaroo Banzai~~~~
"Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, 'cause remember, now matter where
you go . . . there you are."

Also from BB "Nobody's nobody . . . Everyone has something to offer."
Remember, Dr. Zaius and the Gorilla general laughed at Dr. Zira's attempts to
domesticate Man. Probably an Apes Ma-sonic inner circle joke since
domesticating Apes is how they came to be in charge of the planet in the
first place.

Hey T!

You say you are in a punk band. Could I ask your major influences?

I mean, are we talking Clash, Sex Pistols, Ramones, Stiff Little Fingers,
Siouxie and the Banshees era or the new Nirvana etc USA type punk? I just
have to know.......

So how is this relevant to POTA? I'm sure I heard "Anarchy in the UK"
playing in the background during the riots in Conquest......

Michael

Hey, Michael--

Eeww...

I'm glad that you got the joke!

But--

That was gross....

;-)

Best, Jim

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yes,
>
> I think he has Paul Giantini (spelling?) crapping in a police vehicle!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jameshburns@w... [jameshburns@w...]
> Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 15:50
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 372
>
>
> Is Philo Beddoe in the new film?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>> Planet of the Monkeys, Monkey Planet... come on, what's the difference
>> really?
>>
>> Alan
>
>Okay, Alan, whatever. That posting was meant as a joke anyway.

Mine was meant as a wind-up too. Guess they both cancelled each other out.
D'oh!

One other thing I forgot to mention earlier - one aspect of the
remake/reimagining/rethink/rehash/whatever, that I actually like (and am
pretty sure most others won't) - the leaping! Yes! Apes that jump like apes
should! Excellent!

Just imagine how the Caesar v Aldo fight would have looked if they could
have managed this in Battle!

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>That was Boulle's idea!! I wonder if anybody got sued over that movie?
>Then again it was so awful, why bother?

Presumably Fox took one look at the picture and assumed the company didn't
actually have enough money to pay even their legal fees anyway.

Alan

<< So how is this relevant to POTA? I'm sure I heard "Anarchy in the UK"
playing in the background during the riots in Conquest...... >>

How deos that work? Conquest was a '72 film and Anarchy was a '76 song, but
Conquest was set in '91 so, does it have to go through a time machine or what?

So how is your question relevant to POTA Mike? It was so long ago, but I
believe my statement was relevant at the time. We were talking about Ape
bands such as Ape Management and the like. I'd tell you who I'm into, but I
have a feeling it would just be used against me, since that seems to be the
tone of most of your e-mails.

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.html Hey Gang,

Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

I tried for days to get him to verify that it was indeed the DARK suited Cornelius (variant) that was pictured in the auction and either got no response, or got "pass the buck" messages from the seller's wife,  so I sent my payment off anyway.  While waiting for delivery, I continued to send e-mails requesting confirmation of the DARK Cornelius, but either got his knowledge less wife and her excuses, or received no responses at all.

Since I received the incorrect figure, the responses to my inquiries I have been getting are pretty sad and somewhat shady.  He (the seller) will not exchange the figure he sent me for the one he advertised, he will only refund my money, even though I have stated I do not want a refund I want the item that I won in the auction.

A classic case of "too good to be true" and "buyer beware".

I'm definitely taking this guy of our Medicom dealer list.

Thanx for reading, I just thought I'd vent a bit.

Now on a happier note, take a look at some of the cool non-ape, well sort of, stuff we've been doing this week.
These are some links to images of the mannequins we just made for a commercial:

INDEX of finished diorama images:

<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/>

Individual Diorama Images:

<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Duo2.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/FemOld1.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Female.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Group1.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Group2.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Group3.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Male.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Male1.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/Male2x.jpg>
<http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/CAVEMEN/MANNEQUINS/0329/duo1.jpg>

All in day's work,...err... 5 days that is!

Brian
 
 

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In a message dated 3/30/01 11:17:22 PM, afryt4u@... writes:

<<I'm definitely taking this guy of our Medicom dealer list.>>

He had another one of those pictured this week (it may still be up there
now). I was tempted to get it for the $36 reserve, but it just seemed too
fishy to have that many dark-suited Corneliuses up in the same week.

Sorry you got burned.

Does anyone have an extra Soldier Ape B (long beard, yellow rifle) they want
to get rid of. I got outbid by $1 yesterday and I'm getting sick of bidding
for one on ebay.

Matt

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You should leave negative feedback and report him to eBay!
That is an obvious bait and switch!
They have rules against that!!!

.html Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

  >Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex

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<< He had another one of those pictured this week (it may still be up there
now). I was tempted to get it for the $36 reserve, but it just seemed too
fishy to have that many dark-suited Corneliuses up in the same week. >>

The guy is a rip off artist!
He's probably got a closet full of plain ones and keeping the rare one as
bait!

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"Hi everyone, I have a question that someone may be able to help me out with,
I just recently purchased a Don Post Cornelius mask. And I know there were 2
different series released, one in 1974 and one in 1983, There are no dates
imprinted on the mask. Does anyone know hoe to tell the difference? Thank you"
Rob

Hi Rob,
I'm not sure if this will help you but I have attached a few shots of some of the masks in my collection.
1) All vinyl Cornelius. I believe this to be a mail order only mask from Famous Monsters ( and the like).
But It may have been readily available, that's just what I've been told.

2) O.K, the middle shot is of a mask which I've owned for around 20 years. So it COULD be one of the reissues but is significantly different to shot 3 ( which I know to be an 80's release). I always thought this was a first series Cornelius but after seeing a picture recently of a first series Zira ( there was no 2nd series Zira), It could very well be a Zira mask. How does it compare to the Mask you recently purchased?

3) This is the early 80's re-issue Cornelius. I understand that the differences are that it's not as detailed (?) and has different type of hair to the first series Cornelius. Once again, this is just what I've been told.
Anyone out there know anything about these masks that can shed some light?
Best,
KEN
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 0:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

  >Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex

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I know, but that's how "Any Which Way You Can" begins - with Clive taking a
crap in a police car!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: jameshburns@... [jameshburns@...]
Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 8:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Digest Number 372

Hey, Michael--

Eeww...

I'm glad that you got the joke!

But--

That was gross....

;-)

Best, Jim

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yes,
>
> I think he has Paul Giantini (spelling?) crapping in a police vehicle!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jameshburns@w... [jameshburns@w...]
> Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 15:50
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 372
>
>
> Is Philo Beddoe in the new film?
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlI've read your stories about being ripped off on eBay.I think,and I mean
this,if you are screwed over by someone on eBay,or Yahoo! auctions,or
wherever,start naming names.I know if there is any negative feedback I
wouldn't knowingly deal with them,but like a fool I don't always look at the
feedback ratings,I only look at what is being offered.

But,if fellow fans/collectors name names on this sight,I think I'd be more
apt to remember the thieving dealers name and what they did to you and then I
wouldn't even deal with them at all.And,if you have nothing but good dealings
with someone,that could also be mentioned as someone that can be trusted,and
they have a good rep.

Again,I don't expect that you'd do this,I can see not wanting a slander
lawsuit or something like that.But,someone on this sight said "We are all in
this together".It was said in regards to our varying opinions on the new
"movie",but if it applies to that,then it sure can apply to not wanting to
see another collector getting ripped off.So if you know of a rip-off
dealer,consider telling the other members of the group who they should avoid.

Just a thought....<.html

Hmmm...

Perhaps Geoffrey Lewis, will play, a gibbon?

Dan Vadis?

Jim (With, today, very silly monkey fingers)



--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty"
<whitty@c...> wrote:

> I know, but that's how "Any Which Way You Can" begins - with Clive taking a
> crap in a police car!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jameshburns@w... [jameshburns@w...]
> Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 8:14
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: [pota] Re: Digest Number 372
>
> Hey, Michael--
>
> Eeww...
>
> I'm glad that you got the joke!
>
> But--
>
> That was gross....
>
> ;-)
>
> Best, Jim
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Yes,
> >
> > I think he has Paul Giantini (spelling?) crapping in a police vehicle!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jameshburns@w... [jameshburns@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 15:50
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 372
> >
> >
> > Is Philo Beddoe in the new film?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hmmm...

Perhaps Juliette Lewis's dad, will play, a gibbon?

Dan Vadis?

Jim (With, today, very silly monkey fingers)



--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty"
<whitty@c...> wrote:

> I know, but that's how "Any Which Way You Can" begins - with Clive taking a
> crap in a police car!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jameshburns@w... [jameshburns@w...]
> Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 8:14
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: [pota] Re: Digest Number 372
>
> Hey, Michael--
>
> Eeww...
>
> I'm glad that you got the joke!
>
> But--
>
> That was gross....
>
> ;-)
>
> Best, Jim
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Yes,
> >
> > I think he has Paul Giantini (spelling?) crapping in a police vehicle!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jameshburns@w... [jameshburns@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 15:50
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 372
> >
> >
> > Is Philo Beddoe in the new film?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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.html Hey, who you calling a "geek"?!!  Just because my mom dresses me funny,...SHEESH!!!
 

Haristas@... wrote:
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.htmlThanks Ken...and everyone else     Rob<.html

.html Hi Gang,

Yeah, he's got another one up there, so beware.  He has told me (prior to Matt informing me that he has posted the auction again) that he does not have any of these in stock.  Now he's tying the noose tighter around his neck by putting another fraudulent auction up.

He responded to my requests for information yesterday with this comment:

"dude
I screwed up
send the Ape back
I will refund your $"

Funny, my name is not "Dude".  He did not know that (thanx to Matt) that I now know of the second posting of the non-exsistant item.  I've told him to fix it.  If he doesn't correct it today, I'm filing a complaint with eBay that this guy's a fraud.  I suggest that every one else do the same.  Ebay will repremand him if they get enough complaints.

Anyway, still steamed, evenmoreso now that he's at it again!

Brian

MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/30/01 11:17:22 PM, afryt4u@... writes:

<<I'm definitely taking this guy of our Medicom dealer list.>>

He had another one of those pictured this week (it may still be up there
now). I was tempted to get it for the $36 reserve, but it just seemed too
fishy to have that many dark-suited Corneliuses up in the same week.

Sorry you got burned.

Does anyone have an extra Soldier Ape B (long beard, yellow rifle) they want
to get rid of. I got outbid by $1 yesterday and I'm getting sick of bidding
for one on ebay.

Matt

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.html Hey Al,

File complaints wioth eBay.  They can only help.

Brian

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex

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.html Granted.  I'm giving him until lunchtime today to fix the new auction.

After that,  "BOW YOUR HEAD!"

Brian

Everyone else feel free to jump aboard and file complaints with eBay too.  Stand together and keep eBay safe for the innocent!

LordTZer0@... wrote:

You should leave negative feedback and report him to eBay!
That is an obvious bait and switch!
They have rules against that!!!

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.html The guy called you an "IDIOT"?  Jeesh!  Talk about good customer relations!  Some people!
You're still okay in my book, idiot or not.  :-)

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex
 

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.html Hey Mike,

Did he ever answer your questions either?  Or did you get the non-responsive attitude?

B

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Guys,That's why I kept asking "Is this the variant" because I did not think the seller necessatily knew there was a variant - he probably just scanned one and that happened to be a brown one (he may not even know...).Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [mailto:kentaylor@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 0:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...
 

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex
 

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Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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.html Hey M,

I agree.  That's why I compiled a Medicom dealer list of dealers that I have dealt with successfully.  They have won my trust and in gratitude I share their info with others.  But this clown!  ARRRGH!  "Take him to the infirmary for gelding!"

Brian

mlccougar@... wrote:

I've read your stories about being ripped off on eBay.I think,and I mean
this,if you are screwed over by someone on eBay,or Yahoo! auctions,or
wherever,start naming names.I know if there is any negative feedback I
wouldn't knowingly deal with them,but like a fool I don't always look at the
feedback ratings,I only look at what is being offered.

But,if fellow fans/collectors name names on this sight,I think I'd be more
apt to remember the thieving dealers name and what they did to you and then I
wouldn't even deal with them at all.And,if you have nothing but good dealings
with someone,that could also be mentioned as someone that can be trusted,and
they have a good rep.

Again,I don't expect that you'd do this,I can see not wanting a slander
lawsuit or something like that.But,someone on this sight said "We are all in
this together".It was said in regards to our varying opinions on the new
"movie",but if it applies to that,then it sure can apply to not wanting to
see another collector getting ripped off.So if you know of a rip-off
dealer,consider telling the other members of the group who they should avoid.

Just a thought....
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 3/31/01 6:46:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

Hey, who you calling a "geek"?!!  Just because my mom dresses me
funny,...SHEESH!!!
 

What's the name of that fat, orangutan-looking guy who runs the
"Ain't-it-cool-news" website?   Harry Something.  Anyway, he says anyone
who's really into something, meaning you get some sort of thrill from some
aspect of this movie or that, is a 'geek.'   I guess we're all 'geeks' over
POTA.  I'm also a 'geek' over many other movies, such as some of the
Universal horror films.

Okay, so... I'm a geek.   Everybody is weird in one way or another.   It's
really all about keeping yourself entertained as you slowly, inevitably head
toward permanent DEATH!!

I'll return to this site soon with more pleasant thoughts.  LOL!!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlBrian,

If you weren't a POTA Medicom 'geek' you wouldn't be having these problems,
but at least your not bored.

-- Rory

P.S.
I got my Medicom Lawgiver the other day (Yeah, that's right, it takes one to
know one!), and I thinks it's cool, but the head could be better sculpted.  
Now, I'm debating if it's worth getting another.
NOT from eBay!!!<.html

.htmlI know I don't post here a lot (And I suppose I should as Moderator, but
anyhow...) But why not give this guy a chance. Take a full refund from him,
and tell him to stop posting the variant figure instead of the real one. If
he does that, let him be.  If he doesn't, report him

Just my two cents

-Caesar<.html

.htmlI'd still say report him.If he did it once,he'll do it again I'm sure.And he
really seems to have an attitude like "Its no big deal".And personally,I know
I would HATE being called "Dude"by some unscrupulous dealer.Treat your
customers right,don't lie to them and don't call them "dude",or "honey" or
"babe" or whatever.They have names,USE THEM.<.html

.html Thanx Caesar,

That much I have done, or at least started the wheels rolling.  I too believe in giving someone a chance to fix things before condemning them.  But if he hasn't corrected things by the end of they day, I will post negative feed back. (big deal, right?)
I have already contacted eBay and filed a complaint.

Brian

mflulder@... wrote:

I know I don't post here a lot (And I suppose I should as Moderator, but
anyhow...) But why not give this guy a chance. Take a full refund from him,
and tell him to stop posting the variant figure instead of the real one. If
he does that, let him be.  If he doesn't, report him

Just my two cents

-Caesar

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Paid a visit to Amok Time today and got my Lawgiver Medicom. I highly
recommend this place. I ordered Taylor & Nova off their website, then noticed
the address and realized that it's about 15 minutes away. They've got the
Medicoms & Kubricks. Also a bunch of other genre stuff, (SW,ST) Some great
old model kits, POTA included. They even have a couple of original, unopened
Flying Sub kits from Voyage. Talk about being a kid in a candy store. Any LI
based POTA fans should get on their horse & get over there. 2941 Hempstead
Tpke, Levitown, NY. Go Apes, John

What's this That.zip
Not getting anything here.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:18 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

  >Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

 

<.html

Man,

Last time a seller called me Dude, it had been over a month and still had not
shipped my order. He said "Lighten up, it's a holiday." It was Presidents'
Day or some other lame holiday I don't get off. He said he couldn't find my
address, but since it was on the Money Order the envelope and the copy of the
auction print out I sent, I didn't see that as an excuse. He told me since I
was so rude he was canceling my order and refunding my money, which at that
point was fine with me.

I only have one complaint against Amok time. There was a delay shipping my
Astro-Zira, so I canceled my order and went with Super fast Image Anime. I
had that order the next week. A couple of weeks later my "Canceled" order
showed up. But if I was going to have a Mint On Card that was the one,
helmet on and all. So I kept it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:08 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] The Sexiest Woman in Sci Fi?

Hey John,

As far as I know this 'item' about L.H. is for real, but I'm not saying it's
definitely going to happen.  If it does, you can bet I'll check it out, and I
hope she looks damn good.  In that one picture of her I saw in her outfit for
the new APES, standing with her kids, she looked great.

I guess we'll all have to just wait and see.

Also, that guy who asked where's the line "What a lot of hugger mugger." in
ESCAPE?  It's what a reporter says after the Chairmen of the Presidential
Commission gives him a line of....well,  hugger mugger!   Watch the movie!!

Hey, has anybody else in this group ever seen the 1970 flick "Colossus: The
Forbin Project" with a pre-ESCAPE Eric Braeden playing Dr. Forbin?   I'm
watching my letterboxed laserdisc of it right now and wondered if any of you
fellow APES fans have ever seen it.  Good, nearly forgotten Sci-Fi.

And on the subject again of sexy women in Sci-Fi.....  Requel Welch in either
"One Million Years B.C." or "Fantastic Voyage" -- make that just "one
Million..", ....  Caroline Munro in.... oh, I forget what -- who cares, and
from George Pal's "The Time Machine" two words.....

                                   YVETTE  MIMIEUX !!!!

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The Medicom apes are currently featured in two toy magazines, "Toyfare" and
.... I think the other is "Action Figure Digest". Maybe Fox will take notice
since they say collectors are willing to pay $35 each, etc. I hear that a
Japanese "Edward Scissorhands" is going to start being imported. That's Fox,
too. A Fox CAN change it's spots.

- - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: [pota] Why are Medicoms Ending?


> Does anyone know exactly why there will be no more Medicoms after this
most
> recent wave? Did the liscense expire? Are they going to be concentrating
on
> apes from the new film? Who do we write to and demand more damn dirty
apes?
>
> I am thankful for all of the cool figures they put out. But man if they
made
> semi-obscure characters like Lucius, Lawgiver, Milo and Nova I would love
for
> them to continue and give us more characters like Julius, Dr. Galen (from
> POTA), a Chimp Nurse, the other orangutans from the Trial scene, a
> lobotomized Landon, a stuffed Dodge, the mutants (with either removable
masks
> or separate heads ), Brent, Cornelius and Zira in human clothes from
ESCAPE,
> Lisa, Virgil, young Cornelius, Virdon, Burke, Galen, etc.
>
> Hmmmm....maybe it's a good thing the line is ending after all! I don't
want
> to end up in the PLANET OF THE DEBT!!!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hello, but like HELLO!!!!! Earth calling geeks!!!! Why does the
phrase 'GET A LIFE' spring to mind? Sure, POTA was a good movie, but
HELLO! People are starving in the third world, and all you people can
do is sit and fight over 'What makes a real POTA fan'. Isn't there
enough hate in the world withouta bunch of geeks fighting over a sci-
fi movie. I joined this group because I thought there would be some
intelligent conversation, and there is with most of you, but when
people start posting about 'What makes a true POTA fan', aren't we
getting just a little silly here???????????

Carpenter is basically a hack.

>
>
> -- Rory

(And what movies have you directed recently. Jeez.)

> It's just wait and see. Expect the worst, but hope for the best,

because

> then if the worst doesn't happen, you're that much more pleased.
>
> Anyway, I hope Raven hasn't been put off by all this uproar! LOL!
>
> -- Rory

I agree with Rory. And anyway, it's just a movie so why get all
worked up over it. Maybe it'll be good. Maybe it'll suck. WHO CARES?!
Is the world going to explode or something if it's bad?! Seems that a
lot of you want it to be bad. I don't understand that at all. Can
someone explain that to me. If you like APES as much as you all say
you do, then why not welcome a new look at a great story. Remember,
it was a book before it was a movie.

Your welcome Rob,
Did it help you identify which mask you have?
Was anyone else on the group able to identify the mask in the middle
shot? Come on, Brian, I thought you'd know for sure?
Best,
KEN

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:08 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] What Would You Do?

Hey Matt,

Just sent for the POTM script, and just remembered something else about Mort
Abrahams' memos:  He thought Heston's acting wasn't too great at the final,
"Too toothy" is a phrase I recall, and he wanted to cut most of Taylor's "I'm
home, I'm back...." speech.  Thank the Lawgiver Abrahams wasn't POTA's
director.

As to your questions: The first thing I'd do with PLANET is double the
budget.  I also think Boulle's novel could have been shot as written.  I
would have given the ape society a retro-Fifties look with just some
redressing of Fifties cars and clothing.  Cities not well know in the West,
such as those ugly modern ones in East Europe could have been used for the
apes' city.  Planes could have looked the same just as long as you couldn't
tell what actual manufacture and model they were.

But leaving PLANET as it was shot:  I'd have made the spaceship more
convincing, and I'd have actually sunk the full-scale prop, not a five-foot
model.  The lightning effect should have been better in the desert scene, and
when we first see the cornfield there should have been a matte shot showing
some of the desert mesas in the far background.  The ape city set should have
been bigger and less 'Flintstoney' looking.  I wish Roddy McDowall and some
of the other actors playing apes had worn black turtlenecks so I couldn't see
their necks sometimes, as I can now, and I wish they's thought of painting
the actor's real teeth black back when they made the first film instead of
later in the series.

I also would have had larger, chunkier guys playing the gorillas, and I'd
have given the orangutans longer arms and those 'things' real adult male
orangs have on the sides of their faces.  I also would have let the chimps
have real chimp noses.   AND NO BACKGROUND MASKS!!!  Of course, this is what
we're going to see in the new movie and I'm glad.  There will be background
masks, but very good ones and different varieties, and hopefully only in the
background!

As for a change in the cast:  For some reason I would have loved it now if
Boris Karloff had played the President of the Assembly.  What a great role
for him to have ended his career with.  He would have started and ended in
two of the screen's most famous makeups.  And as much as I love Maurice Evans
as Dr. Zaius, and wouldn't really replace him if I could, I can't help
wondering what Edward G. Robinson would have been like.   "You're a menace,
Taylor, see!  A walking pestilence, yeah!"

As for BENEATH....  well, I wouldn't have made BENEATH, but given what it is
I think it would have been nice if it had had triple its budget.   Heston
should have done the sequel and I think was really a dick not to have.  I
would have simply replaced him and had another actor play Taylor.  I'd have
tried for Richard Harris.  The film would be very different if Taylor were
the main character.
But again leaving the film as it is, another change in casting I've often
thought about is what if they'd gotten John Wayne to play Ursus.  That would
have been perfect, and if they had Ursus probably would have had a larger
part in the story.  James Gregory was good though.  They first asked Orson
Welles to do it, but I don't think he would have worked.

Somehow, I would have found some other way to end the film beside blowing up
the world.  That ending is like the Igor's brain being put into the head of
the Monster in the 'Frankenstein' series -- A major blunder, but with POTA
they managed to recover pretty well.

ESCAPE:  I wouldn't change much in it EXCEPT Roddy and Kim's makeup should be
better.  They don't look the same as the do in the original and they really
should.

CONQUEST:  Again, more money in the budget.  Better makeup on everybody,
especially McDowall, and less background masks.  And ape feet!!!!    I also
wouldn't have copped-out as they did with the ending, and I'd have left in
all the violence that would have probably gotten the film an R rating.  We'd
have had a better film.

BATTLE:  Oh, boy!   I guess A STORY would be nice!   Why did they make this
film?   Whaa, Whaa.... Why?  Nuf said.

-- Rory   



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>
> Now "Star Wars"..... THAT SUCKS!!!!
>
> -- Rory

You got a pretty negative attitude about all movies which aren't
POTA, don't you. When are YOU gonna make a movie as fun and original
as Star Wars?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [afryt4u@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 2:12
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...

Hey Mike,

Did he ever answer your questions either?  Or did you get the non-responsive attitude?

B

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Guys,That's why I kept asking "Is this the variant" because I did not think the seller necessatily knew there was a variant - he probably just scanned one and that happened to be a brown one (he may not even know...).Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [mailto:kentaylor@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 0:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex
 

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.html I'd still say report him.If he did it once,he'll do it again I'm sure.And he
really seems to have an attitude like "Its no big deal".And personally,I know
I would HATE being called "Dude"by some unscrupulous dealer.Treat your
customers right,don't lie to them and don't call them "dude",or "honey" or
"babe" or whatever.They have names,USE THEM.

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.html Well, I certainly felt like an idiot for trusting a complete stranger in the first place. His correspondence was also very arrogant and rude and he left me negative feedback for threatening to complain to Ebay. I took the case to Square trade ( an Ebay affiliate) but they can't do anything unless the other party concedes to get involved. He didn't reply to their emails.
So I can't stress enough now, ASK QUESTIONS first or risk being exploited.
Who said "fans blinded by their dedication make prime targets for any labelled crap"?
Oh, that would have been me.
I certainly learned a lesson there.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

 The guy called you an "IDIOT"?  Jeesh!  Talk about good customer relations!  Some people!
You're still okay in my book, idiot or not.  :-)

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex
 

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John

Do they have a web site or email address (for those of us overseas)?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: JSe3689836@... [JSe3689836@...]

They've got the Medicoms & Kubricks. Also a bunch of other genre stuff,
(SW,ST) Some great
old model kits, POTA included.

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believe me.He always said it was based on the Saturday morning
cliffhangers/serials he watched growing up.You may say "Well,he put it in
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.html Hi Mike (and Gang)

Here's the Medicom dealers I have.  Amoktime is listed in there:
 

               justbe@... <http://www.justbetoys.com>  <support@...> (OREGON)
               I just came back from a visit up there.  They have quite a few,  including the Lawgiver.
 
                           http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.com/
                            Robotorium@... (NYC)
                            amoktime@... (NYC) <http://amoktime.com/>
                            uor-ltd@...
                            amidala_anakin@...
                            info@...
                            moriyama@...
                            toyworkz@...
                            Peter Payne <jlist@...>
                            coolstuff@... (CALIF) EVIL!! BAD NEWS!! STAY AWAY!
                                    he's the one screwing with the variant Cornelius' on eBay!

Tell 'em Brian from APEMANIA.COM sent yah!

B
 

Michael Whitty wrote:

John

Do they have a web site or email address (for those of us overseas)?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From:   JSe3689836@... [mailto:JSe3689836@...]

They've got the Medicoms & Kubricks. Also a bunch of other genre stuff,
(SW,ST) Some great
old model kits, POTA included.

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.htmlIn a message dated 3/31/01 5:27:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
littleguybrian@... writes:

I joined this group because I thought there would be some
intelligent conversation, and there is with most of you, but when
people start posting about 'What makes a true POTA fan', aren't we
getting just a little silly here???????????

I guess you didn't get the irony, little guy.

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.html Sounds like the same guy, alright.  He hasn't responded to any of mine since last night, and has not corrected his current auction either.  A bad seed he is.
Brian

Michael Whitty wrote:

 BHe did not respond to any of my emails!Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:afryt4u@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 2:12
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...
 

Hey Mike,

Did he ever answer your questions either?  Or did you get the non-responsive attitude?

B

Michael Whitty wrote:

Guys,That's why I kept asking "Is this the variant" because I did not think the seller necessatily knew there was a variant - he probably just scanned one and that happened to be a brown one (he may not even know...).Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [mailto:kentaylor@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 0:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That's really sucks Brian...

Yeah, and I got ripped off by a guy in England who sold me a photo copy of a Cardboard Galen mask that was given out as a supermarket premium in '75.  He made no reference to the item being a copy and when I brought it to his attention, he flatly said it was my fault for not asking first and that I was an idiot for assuming it was original in the first place.
Needless to say, he has only 1 feedback , and that's negative.
So don't assume anything and ask questions before you bid!
the term "The customer's always right" doesn't apply to most Ebay sellers.
But "buyer Beware" certainly does.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>Just to let Alex and everyone know, that "NICE" rare variant Planet of the Apes >Cornelius Medicom NICE Item #571844313 that was brought to the group's >attention last week, finally showed up today, and wouldn't you know it,  the seller >sent me the regular one, not the variant he advertised.

Sorry to hear that Brian, what a low life.

Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut! Like Matt I'm getting sick of e-bay auctions myself. I just got burned on a E-bay 20th century Fox VHS tape release for the media a little while back...the guy hasen't sent it yet.

It was to have the trailer and Burton Interview, but no tape yet.

So believe me I know how you feel..

Best, I guess...

Alex
 

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.html Sorry, I'll have to look again.  (I'm still in caveman mode here...)

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Your welcome Rob,
Did it help you identify which mask you have?
Was anyone else on the group able to identify the mask in the middle
shot? Come on, Brian, I thought you'd know for sure?
Best,
KEN

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