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Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

...Was anyone else on the group able to identify the mask in the middle shot?

Come on, Brian, I thought you'd know for sure?

Best,
KEN

Hi Ken,

Looking at your images again, the one in the middle looks like a thin (poor quality) mask.  It may be the second issue Cornelius, but I can't tell from that foto.  I'm no expert on the Don Post line either.  I thought they were prety bad when I was a kid, so I didn't spend my lawn mowing money on them.  Do they have a ™ or © stamp on them anywhere, usually under the back hairline?  That might give you some info.  Have a look and let us know.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:46 AM

Subject: [pota] Genetic Re-engineering

Human genetic re-engineering of Chimpanzee, Gorilla, and Orangutan genes to
make them have more human-like brains, larynx and tongue, and upright posture
is the ONLY explanation for the apes in the original series or the new film.  
 It's a failure of both the Boulle novel and the original series to have
never brought this up.  I hope the new film will set this right.

By the way, I really suspect that this new movie will be good, getting mostly
positive reviews and I predict will pass the $150 million gross mark in less
than three weeks after its release.

We will see.   As to whether or not I personally will like it -- probably
not, but that has to do with how much I revere the original.

Anyone else care to predict how much the Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES will
gross in the first three weeks?    I also predict an opening weekend of $60
million.   (Too bad it's not still opening on July 4th, it would make a lot
more.)

This is going to be a very big summer for movies.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:46 AM

Subject: [pota] Genetic Re-engineering

Human genetic re-engineering of Chimpanzee, Gorilla, and Orangutan genes to
make them have more human-like brains, larynx and tongue, and upright posture
is the ONLY explanation for the apes in the original series or the new film.  
 It's a failure of both the Boulle novel and the original series to have
never brought this up.  I hope the new film will set this right.

By the way, I really suspect that this new movie will be good, getting mostly
positive reviews and I predict will pass the $150 million gross mark in less
than three weeks after its release.

We will see.   As to whether or not I personally will like it -- probably
not, but that has to do with how much I revere the original.

Anyone else care to predict how much the Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES will
gross in the first three weeks?    I also predict an opening weekend of $60
million.   (Too bad it's not still opening on July 4th, it would make a lot
more.)

This is going to be a very big summer for movies.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 3/31/01 7:02:08 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<I think a good general rule of thumb to follow on eBay is......

(Drum roll, please....)

BEWARE THE BEAST MAN!!!!!>>

This is great....I can't wait to see how Rory uses every line from the
original POTA film in an email.

Matt

Hey, this place is getting mean-spirited. Nobody HAS to read these e-mails.
There's always the Eminem e-group!

- - - - Geek # 212

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] eBay beware


>
> In a message dated 3/31/01 7:02:08 PM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> <<I think a good general rule of thumb to follow on eBay is......
>
> (Drum roll, please....)
>
> BEWARE THE BEAST MAN!!!!!>>
>
> This is great....I can't wait to see how Rory uses every line from the
> original POTA film in an email.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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The Evil Ebay Seller saga comes to a close.  He has finally changed the images on his current auction of the Cornelius to the correct non-variant item.  The bidders would be better off buying from other vendors for $15-$20 less than the current hi bid.

The seller e-mailed me the following message this evening.  My message to him appears in blue, his response is in red. This clown is a prince when it comes to customer relations, referring to me as "Dude" again:

        Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:48 PM
         Subject: Re: ebay item-571844313 Planet of the Apes Cornelius Medicom

        John,

         So you "probably don't have one"?  Why did you show that you did?  To sucker people
         into a bidding war?  Did you ever have one at all?

         I think what you have done is unfair and wrong.

         Grrrrrrrr!  Oh how we hate false advertizing.

         I will return the item COD next week.

         Needless to say, I am very disappointed.

         Brian
yes
that is my sole intent
dude
I am running  abusiness here
I dont have time to "sucker" people
I screwed up- I guess you never have
oh how I long to be perfect like you
www.coolstuffvideos.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:12 PM

Subject: [pota] Hair today, gone tomorrow

Hey LTZ,

I'm not so sure Kim Hunter's Zira in the original film had hair under her
chin either, they just covered it up better.  That one low-angle shot in
BENEATH of Zira where you can very plainly see that there is no hair under
her chin is just another example of how sloppy some of the filming was in
BENEATH.

One thing they didn't do in the later sequels that really bugs me is they
stopped blending the hairlines around the faces by gluing individual hairs
along the edges of the wigs.  I think by BATTLE and especially the TV show
the make-up is beginning to look clownish.

One thing they did in ESCAPE with make-up is really neat, though.  Has anyone
else noticed how the baby chimp playing baby Milo at the very end has on a
POTA chimp nose appliance so he (actually a she, I believe) would look more
like his 'parents'?   I wonder how they got that baby chimp to put up with
having that nose glued on her face?

-- Rory

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Arthur Jacobs and Natalie Trundy were on the "Ed Sullivan" show to promote
"Dr. Dolittle". There's a picture of it on her website. - - - - J.K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] The Simpsons


> I can't remember what the rest of the episode was about. I just
remember
> seeing the opening shot & thinking that it looked like Ape City. Knowing
the
> shows' track record, I figured it had to be POTA. Then seeing Homer on
trial!
> As Mr. Burns would say "Excellent!" And I do remember that Bob Hope
sketch.
> He was in a cage with a tire hanging by a rope. To go even further, I have
> very vague memories of Heston on the Ed Sullivan Show. They showed the
"Hello
> BrightEyes, how's our throat today?" clip. John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes! Cronenberg's "The Fly". Best science-fiction movie since the '60's.
And Burton's a big Cronenberg fan. - - - J.K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil " <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 7:12 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Medicom display


> --- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:
>
>
> > And number two, at least Star Wars fans are a lot more dedicated
> than POTA fans. Because whether or not Phantom Menace sucked, they
> still kept Phantom Menace alive as Star Wars fans.
>
> Is that a good thing? Not that it's the end of the world, but I
> think Phantom Menace has damaged the mythology of the original
> trilogy. It's harmed the series as a whole. Worse yet, when you
> start doing the math, it's full of continuity errors, which is not
> really excusable when you consider that all four films were guided by
> one hand.
>
> > It almost makes me what to remove my POTA site. Because it's not
> even worth it.
>
> Well, that's not what I was going for, but to each his own. As you
> pointed out, the reworking of Star Wars and Star Trek has caused them
> both to "now suck". With the exception of Cronenberg's "The Fly" and
> Carpenter's "The Thing", most remakes are ill-conceived marketing
> ploys that, at best, don't touch the original and, at worst, tarnish
> the rep of the entire franchise. The fact that ANY POTA fans are
> hopeful shows a lot of open-mindedness, in my opinion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Time of the Apes" is compiled from an actual Japanese TV show, so I guess
there's lots more! Why do the Japanese get the best ape stuff- - action
figures, movie posters, movie rip-offs? - - - J.K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Time of the Apes


> Matt <MTotsky@...> wrote:
> >What the hell is [Time of the Apes]?
>
>
> An appallingly bad Japanese PotA rip-off. Imagine how convincing a
seventies
> Godzilla film would be with quarter of the budget and you've got some idea
> of how cheap this thing looks. So bad it's good.
>
> And by a strange coincidence, I've only just seen it for the first time.
> It's bizarre.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey Mike, I think it's amoktime.com. Give it a shot, John

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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Oddly enough, a buddy of mine, works for the producer that originally
imported TIME OF THE APES, in the '80s...

We just talkd about this--yesterday!

She remembers her cohorts, at the office, trying to cut the TV stuff
down, to something resembling, a movie!

But in terms of a "TV series..."

That's correct, but to a different extent.

Her memory, is that the Japanese source came from two different
stories--

That lasted four or five segments, apiece.

'Sort of, "limited" series...

(To say the least!)

:-)

Best, Jim Burns

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Sounds like a detailed article you're writing there.
Although I'm not a history buff, that whole Gallipoli thing was pretty much a big deal, as much as the attack on Pearl Harbour was for America ( I guess? Michael, can you back me up here?). I never saw the movie.
I was at Fox when Rupert bought it. It didn't really effect us day to day ( other than the creation of the Australian Studio where we later moved). We just became part of a larger organization.That being News Limited. Corporately, this had it's benefits as we were able to "synergise" ( is that even a word) with our "sister" companies to maximize cost effectiveness. If anything, the bottom line became more important than ever before ( like any large corporation), and probably still is. Bill Mechanic would probably never get the chance to go out on a limb with a project like Titanic ever again, if he was still with the company. Hence, Fox tend to go for "safer bets" or lower budget films for higher turnover ( teen market films) these days. This of coarse, is only my observation, generally most people I worked with were quite content . For me, I'd just been there for too long.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.   Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?  Thanks.                                                  - - - - Jeff Krueger----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

 I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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>
> I guess you didn't get the irony, little guy.
>
> -- Rory (and YES, I'm no seeker, I'M NEGATIVE!!!!)

Rory, do you think being negative is something to be proud of? I
have been reading these messages, and most people try to keep their
thoughts really open and positive and it's a great place for a POTA
fan to visit. It is a shame that negative people like yourself feel
it's somehow cool to slam other people - other movies and directors -
as well as other egroup members. Is it like you wanna be the head
honcho on POTA?
Are you trying to be like Heston??????? (And speaking of missed
irony, YOU missed the irony of my screen name. I'm not a 'little
guy'.)

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:

> Hey,STAR WARS wasn't "original"at all.You can ask Lucas himself if

you don't

> believe me.He always said it was based on the Saturday morning
> cliffhangers/serials he watched growing up.You may say "Well,he put

it in

> space",well that may be true,but remember,"Buck Rogers" was the

first "outer

> space" serial if I remember correctly.

Are you directing this message at me, cause I said in a post to that
guy who was slamming Star Wars that Star Wars was 'original'. I was
using the world 'original' in the context of film making technique
and conceptualisation. Anyone who knows even the basics of classic
literature will know that most stories that we know and love have
been regenerated and reworked over the centuries and, particularly in
the 20th century, in movies. Yes, Lucas said he based Star Wars on
Saturday Morning cliffhangers (S.S did the same with Indiana Jones),
but does that mean that it should be discounted as 'un-orginal'?
I think if you polled most people, they would rate Star Wars as an
all-round better movie than POTA. I personally enjoy POTA more, but
that doesn't give anyone the right to bash Star Wars like that Rory
guy did.
All I was trying to say was that loving a movie doesn't automatically
mean that every OTHER movie in the genre is crap.

In a message dated 3/31/01 7:32:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< It wasn't "proven" until 1973 that apes do not have the capacity for
speech. >>

Not entirely true. I heard a chimp talk at the Hogle Zoo in SLC in the 70's.
She didn't was more than a couple words and had to hold her nore to do it,
but she could talk. But she gave no "speech". Nuk nuk nuk...

In a message dated 3/31/01 6:09:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< Hey,STAR WARS wasn't "original"at all.You can ask Lucas himself if you
don't
believe me.He always said it was based on the Saturday morning
cliffhangers/serials he watched growing up. >>

It's also based on the heroic myths.
Ask Joseph Campbell.
Actually He and Lucas did a television show on it.

> I think a good general rule of thumb to follow on eBay is......
>
> (Drum roll, please....)
>
> BEWARE THE BEAST MAN!!!!!
>
> -- Rory

(Hardy Har har. You're a real funny guy, Rory. Some people were
trying to get some serious information about ebay and had some real
bad experiences on it that they hoped to rectify. Do comments like
this really help?)

In a message dated 3/31/01 5:48:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< By the way, what's your name? >>

Just call me T.
Even my folks do.
You have to buy one of my brothers CDs to find out my last name...or at least
look it up.

>
> "You're supposed to be the optimist. Look on the bright side."
>
> -- Rory

(Yes, yes, yes. We all know the lines from the movie. Anything
constructive to say, Rory? Waiting with baited.)

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> "miccougar" posted earlier that the new APES movie isn't an APES

movie at

> all, but rather a piece of crap. I understand his point, but look,

the

> original series ended with BATTLE. That was it. If it pleases you

to think

> it continued into the TV show, fine.
>
> The point I want to make here -- and I'm not trying to defend doing

a

> "re-imagining" at all -- is that there's no way Fox would have made

a new

> APES film using the old makeup design by Chambers. It's dated, and

I think

> most of you would agree that it looks kind of primitive now.
>
> So, since the ape makeup wouldn't look the same, then you're really

doing a

> 'new' PLANET OF THE APES movie no matter what approach you take.
>
> Another thing that should, in fairness to Fox, be considered is

that a

> mega-million dollar production like this has got to appeal to the

WORLD

> boxoffice. The studio could afford to make a six million dollar >
> Anyway, I hope Raven hasn't been put off by all this uproar! LOL!
>
> -- Rory

.

>
> Anyway, I hope Raven hasn't been put off by all this uproar! LOL!
>
> -- Rory

Hey Rory, you missed a good opportunity to say 'Me Tarzan, You Jane'.

Just a thought. As someone who has been reading for many weeks but
not posting, I just wanna say that I am very impressed with the great
majority of the messages. Some of you people are real movie buffs
with something intelligent to say about the movie which has captured
your imagination. To my mind, it says alot about a 'fan' when they
are able to do more than just endlessly quote lines from the movie.
As a psychiatrist with a busy surgery and a lot of charity work to do
in my spare hours, the time I spend on egroups is valuable. It takes
a certain amount of time for each message to load, so you can
probably guess that it becomes an irritant when I take the time and
trouble to read messages from posters, only to discover that all they
can contribute to the group are lines from a movie which we all know.
I guess that not everyone can offer intelligent remarks, and I
understand that. My only wish is that the person who continually
posts with what he believes are amusing 'wise cracks' and put downs
in the form of lines from the movie.
The rest of you, keep up the good work. You make it great for an old
POTA fan like myself to see the flame is still burning.
Brian

> We will see. As to whether or not I personally will like it --

probably

> not, but that has to do with how much I revere the original.
>
> -- Rory

Rory, why doesn't this surprise any of us? How can you say
you 'probably won't like a movie' you have never even seen? Seems
like you're just out to slam anything to do with POTA if it's not the
original. Why is that? Is it because you won't be an authority on
it? Why not keep an open mind? You might even like it BETTER than the
original. How will you know until you see it? I'm so glad that the
other people in the group have a positive attitude and an open mind
about the remake. I particularly agree with whoever posted saying
that if it's good, they're happy. To my mind, to WANT it to be bad
somehow shows that you want to keep POTA as a private,
exclusive 'club'(with YOU as the president, no doubt.) Well I got
news for you Rory buddy, it ain't. We've all seen it. Yes, we are
fans. But millions of others have seen it and know it and think
fondly of it. Come on now, show a little generosity. The Burton
remake might be great and rectify all that was wrong with the
original. Keep your negative thoughts and snide comments to
yourself, please.

<< As a psychiatrist with a busy surgery and a lot of charity work to do
in my spare hours, the time I spend on egroups is valuable. >>


"You're advanced enough to preform experimental Brain Surgery!?!"

Sorry Brian, I couldn't resist that one. Thought I'd beat Rory to it.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> << As a psychiatrist with a busy surgery and a lot of charity work

to do

> in my spare hours, the time I spend on egroups is valuable. >>
>
>
> "You're advanced enough to preform experimental Brain Surgery!?!"
>
> Sorry Brian, I couldn't resist that one. Thought I'd beat Rory to

it.

Laughed my a** off, too, Lord! My only wish is that I'd thought of
it myself (to beat Rory! L.O.L!) By the way, I liked your comments on
Star Wars. I read recently that Star Wars 'does not count as science
fiction'. HELLO?! I confess to being baffled by this one. Any
thoughts on it?

All best,
Brian

In a message dated 4/1/01 1:16:04 AM, williejoe@... writes:

<< Hey, this place is getting mean-spirited. Nobody HAS to read these e-mails.
There's always the Eminem e-group!

- - - - Geek # 212

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] eBay beware


>
> In a message dated 3/31/01 7:02:08 PM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> <<I think a good general rule of thumb to follow on eBay is......
>
> (Drum roll, please....)
>
> BEWARE THE BEAST MAN!!!!!>>
>
> This is great....I can't wait to see how Rory uses every line from the
> original POTA film in an email.
>
> Matt>>

Uhhh.....this was meant as a joke from me. Rory and I have become pretty good
friends on this list in the past month or so. I am pretty sure he knew I was
joking. If not, I apologize pal!

Keep the quotes coming

Matt

>
> Uhhh.....this was meant as a joke from me. Rory and I have become

pretty good

> friends on this list in the past month or so. I am pretty sure he

knew I was

> joking. If not, I apologize pal!
>
> Keep the quotes coming
>
> Matt

I'm sure if you and Rory are pals he knew you were kidding with him,
Matt. I wasn't kidding when I said I'm getting tired of clicking
into messages to find nothing but quotes from the movie. I guess I
should learn to be more tolerant. Some of his messages are okay which
is why I read them. It just takes a long time for my messages to load
on this old dinosaur I use, and to wait three minutes to get just
ANOTHER POTA quote from Rory sort of wears a little thin. I know the
guy's just trying to be funny, and I apologize if I seemed mean
spirited. I just don't think that quoting endless lines from a movie
we all know by heart is a substitute for 'wit', and in future, I
won't click into his messages because it just takes too long to load
to ultimately be confronted with a line from the movie. The rest of
you, however, have a lot of good information to share and a lot of
interesting thoughts on both the original and the Burton remake, and
I enjoy reading them.

.html YIKES! This is starting to lean toward the ugly side.  Can we started bringing happy thoughts back into the group now?
Like, anyone out there got a picture of Zira in a bikini?

B

littleguybrian@... wrote:

>
> I guess you didn't get the irony, little guy.
>
> -- Rory (and YES, I'm no seeker, I'M NEGATIVE!!!!)

Rory, do you think being negative is something to be proud of?  I
have been reading these messages, and most people try to keep their
thoughts really open and positive and it's a great place for a POTA
fan to visit. It is a shame that negative people like yourself feel
it's somehow cool to slam other people - other movies and directors -
as well as other egroup members.  Is it like you wanna be the head
honcho on POTA?
Are you trying to be like Heston???????  (And speaking of missed
irony, YOU missed the irony of my screen name. I'm not a 'little
guy'.)

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/1/01 7:58:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
littleguybrian@... writes:

Rory, do you think being negative is something to be proud of?  I
have been reading these messages, and most people try to keep their
thoughts really open and positive and it's a great place for a POTA
fan to visit. It is a shame that negative people like yourself feel
it's somehow cool to slam other people - other movies and directors -
as well as other egroup members.  Is it like you wanna be the head
honcho on POTA?  
Are you trying to be like Heston???????  (And speaking of missed
irony, YOU missed the irony of my screen name. I'm not a 'little
guy'.)

Brain,

Okay, I agree with you that of late I've been making myself rather obnoxious
here and I apologize.   I do have a rather negative personality, and no, I'm
not proud of it.   But, I'm not a bad person and I have no wish to be at war
with anyone here.

I do have very strong opinions, though, and I don't apologize for this.  I've
seen a lot of movies and I'd like to think I know what's good and what's not
so good.

When I said "Star Wars SUCKS!"  I was again just being a wise-ass.  Of course
it doesn't 'suck,' but I just don't think it's very deep, and I don't
consider it Science Fiction.  I think it's fantasy dressed as Science
Fiction, just as I think "Planet of the Apes" is allegory that uses elements
of Science Fiction.   But I don't want to get into a debate as to what is or
isn't Science Fiction.  It's a matter of opinion, and everyone's opinion
isn't going to be the same.

As far as the new APES movie is concerned, believe me I hope very much that
it's good, in fact that it's great.  I go to see a film every week, and
nothing makes me happier than to walk out of the theatre feeling I've seen
something that was really worth my time.  It'll be good for the reputation of
the original film if its remake (or 'reimagination') gets generally favorable
reviews and more than good boxoffice.

The new film will not, though, replace the original as my favorite movie.  I
know that because I know I don't want it to.

And also please believe me when I say that I wish every posting here was
something I could respond to with something substantive to say.   I and
another guy on this list have tried to stimulate some sort of greater
discussion here, but you know, I guess most people just don't have the time
or inclination to write long posts.  That's allright.

But, you're right, I've been too much of a wise-ass here, and I need to cool
it.  As a psychiatrist I hope you can appreciate that I'm aware of my faults
and haven't reacted in a negative and hostile way to you.  I hope we'll
become good friends on this e-group, Brian.

I do find it fun to think of an appropriate quote to comment on something,
but I guess I've been over doing it.   So I'll end this with no wise-ass
remark for a change.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/1/01 9:35:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
littleguybrian@... writes:

<< I confess to being baffled by this one. Any thoughts on it? >>

Star Wars is actually a western.
I know, I though WTF too, first time I heard this in film class.
But if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.
It's really a heroic myth at the heart of it.
A youngster sets off on a quest, is imparted knowledge.
returns with magic to save his people etc . . .
But it still retains a lot of the conventions of a western.
It's just set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
With a lot of futuristic toys instead of six guns.
The Cantina scene . . . perfect example.

.html Hi T,

How's the ol' Texas Prosthetic lab going these days?

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/31/01 5:48:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< By the way, what's your name?  >>

Just call me T.
Even my folks do.
You have to buy one of my brothers CDs to find out my last name...or at least
look it up.

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In a message dated 4/1/01 10:23:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Like, anyone out there got a picture of Zira in a bikini? >>

Funny you should mention that Bri,
Remeber the ape beauty contest held many years ago?
Any one know what happened to the photos of that?
I'm sure there must have been publicity on that some where!

Rory,
Thank you for such a long and pleasant response. Without meaning to
speak professionally, I think it shows a certain maturity to be able
to 'fess up' to having been a wise ass. I guess the thing I was
trying to say is that very few people can actually 'carry off' being
a wise ass (Cary GRANT comes to mind as one of the few who can carry
it off), and the private e mails I received after posting about
the 'movie quotes' sort of confirmed that I was not the only one
getting ticked off. I think that a positive attitude in life is a
great thing to have. I try to tell all my patients that a sunny
outlook is half the battle won. Smile and the world smiles with you,
frown and you truly do frown alone. Sure, it's a cliche, but there's
usually a reason a cliche BECOMES one! I think often people try to
make themselves appear interesting by taking a negative stance, but
it really doesn't make them interesting. It just makes people either
feel sorry for them or get annoyed. You, Rory, seem to know an awful
lot about movies. It would be GREAT if you put your movie-know into
good use by taking a positive and cheerful attitude in the group. We
are fortunate to have our very own 'Movie Encyclopedia' right here in
the egroup! So come on, group! Let's all encourage Rory to share his
knowledge with us.
Best regards,
Brian

> << I confess to being baffled by this one. Any thoughts on it? >>
>
> Star Wars is actually a western.
> I know, I though WTF too, first time I heard this in film class.
> But if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.
> It's really a heroic myth at the heart of it.
> A youngster sets off on a quest, is imparted knowledge.
> returns with magic to save his people etc . . .
> But it still retains a lot of the conventions of a western.
> It's just set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
> With a lot of futuristic toys instead of six guns.
> The Cantina scene . . . perfect example.

You are so right! I had never thought of Star Wars as a Western, but
indeed, a Western it is! And the Cantina scene IS a perfect example.
Next time I watch it, I'll view it with 'new eyes'. Thanks, Lord.

POTA NEWS FLASH!!!!!
*************************************************************************

The sex scene between Dirk Diggler and Helena Bonehams Carter
will be in the film after all. Complete with full frontal nudity, penetration
the money shot and his famous prosthetic penis!

Ape-ril Fuels

I had to be the first to get that one in as well!!!!!
Ba BOOM!
How's that for lightening things up? :-)
T

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
>
> POTA NEWS FLASH!!!!!
>

**********************************************************************
***

>
> The sex scene between Dirk Diggler and Helena Bonehams Carter
> will be in the film after all. Complete with full frontal nudity,

penetration

> the money shot and his famous prosthetic penis!
>
> Ape-ril Fuels
>

You totally had THIS old pro goin' there, T!!!! Well played!

In a message dated 4/1/01 10:35:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< How's the ol' Texas Prosthetic lab going these days? >>

Whadda ya, throwing your voice from Australia?
I smell a set up.
But since you asked I'm casting a false nose to hide from all this sarcasm.

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In a message dated 4/1/01 10:45:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
littleguybrian@... writes:

<< Rory,
Thank you for such a long and pleasant response. >>

Yikes! Why don't you guys get a room?
Sorry for being such a wise ass, but nature abhors a void.
Just rushing in like an Ape-ril fool to fill the one left by Rory's sudden
conversion.
Nyuk nyuk nyuk Nynag nynag Woo woo woo woop woop

<< where did they read this from?
a script they found in a craker jack box?

Have have the original script baba...
Nope...not there....

Just another empty rumor.

Best,

Alex >>

Suckerrrrrrrrr...........
Check your calendar

.html WOW!  You know I vaguely remember something about that.  Some sort of promotional thingy, wasn't it?
Wow!  A Blast from the past!

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/1/01 10:23:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Like, anyone out there got a picture of Zira in a bikini?  >>

Funny you should mention that Bri,
Remeber the ape beauty contest held many years ago?
Any one know what happened to the photos of that?
I'm sure there must have been publicity on that some where!

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LordTZer0@... wrote:

 
<< How's the ol' Texas Prosthetic lab going these days? >>

Whadda ya, throwing your voice from Australia?
I smell a set up.
But since you asked I'm casting a false nose to hide from all this sarcasm.

Now how can you smell a "set-up" with a fake nose?  That's a new one on me!

B
 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

Hi Jeff,
Sounds like a detailed article you're writing there.
Although I'm not a history buff, that whole Gallipoli thing was pretty much a big deal, as much as the attack on Pearl Harbour was for America ( I guess? Michael, can you back me up here?). I never saw the movie.
I was at Fox when Rupert bought it. It didn't really effect us day to day ( other than the creation of the Australian Studio where we later moved). We just became part of a larger organization.That being News Limited. Corporately, this had it's benefits as we were able to "synergise" ( is that even a word) with our "sister" companies to maximize cost effectiveness. If anything, the bottom line became more important than ever before ( like any large corporation), and probably still is. Bill Mechanic would probably never get the chance to go out on a limb with a project like Titanic ever again, if he was still with the company. Hence, Fox tend to go for "safer bets" or lower budget films for higher turnover ( teen market films) these days. This of coarse, is only my observation, generally most people I worked with were quite content . For me, I'd just been there for too long.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.   Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?  Thanks.                                                  - - - - Jeff Krueger----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

 I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:21 AM

Subject: RE: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

Jack

 

Gallipoli was a battle that epitomised the Aussie spirit and drove home to Aussies and New Zealanders just how expendable our troops were to the English Officers (they just kept sending our men in to be slaughtered mercilessly).  And yes, it is indeed a revered historical event as a very large amount of Australian and New Zealand soldiers were sacrificed by the British (no grudges, by the way, against our UK members - that is what cricket is for.....well not in India though!!!!).

 

I never heard that Keith Murdoch was a journalist over there and I sure don't think he had the power to end the battle, but who knows?

 

If you get a chance to see the movie, don't pass it up!  We kinda view Rupert as most people view Bill Gates - a merciless Capitalist (and a successful one at that).

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 18:02
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.

 

  Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?

 

 Thanks.

 

                                                 - - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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----- Original Message -----
From: <littleguybrian@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:25 AM
Subject: [pota] Quoting Lines from the Movie


> Just a thought. As someone who has been reading for many weeks but
> not posting, I just wanna say that I am very impressed with the great
> majority of the messages. Some of you people are real movie buffs
> with something intelligent to say about the movie which has captured
> your imagination. To my mind, it says alot about a 'fan' when they
> are able to do more than just endlessly quote lines from the movie.
> As a psychiatrist with a busy surgery and a lot of charity work to do
> in my spare hours, the time I spend on egroups is valuable. It takes
> a certain amount of time for each message to load, so you can
> probably guess that it becomes an irritant when I take the time and
> trouble to read messages from posters, only to discover that all they
> can contribute to the group are lines from a movie which we all know.
> I guess that not everyone can offer intelligent remarks, and I
> understand that. My only wish is that the person who continually
> posts with what he believes are amusing 'wise cracks' and put downs
> in the form of lines from the movie.
> The rest of you, keep up the good work. You make it great for an old
> POTA fan like myself to see the flame is still burning.
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Enough, already! I'd rather read posts that quote the movie than slam
after slam at a guy who DOES contribute worthwhile posts. Rory probably
contributes more info to this group than anyone except maybe Alex. I don't
quite get his opinion that the original was so much better than the rest but
it's his opinion and this is the place for it. To say he doesn't like "Star
Wars" or a certain director is valid. He says things that go against my
opinion and I don't care.

This post isn't directed at any one person, because several people have
come down hard on Rory lately. There's been alot of static lately so I'll
just repeat what others have already said: "Live and let live".

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <littleguybrian@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Genetic Re-engineering


> > We will see. As to whether or not I personally will like it --
> probably
> > not, but that has to do with how much I revere the original.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> Rory, why doesn't this surprise any of us? How can you say
> you 'probably won't like a movie' you have never even seen? Seems
> like you're just out to slam anything to do with POTA if it's not the
> original. Why is that? Is it because you won't be an authority on
> it? Why not keep an open mind? You might even like it BETTER than the
> original. How will you know until you see it? I'm so glad that the
> other people in the group have a positive attitude and an open mind
> about the remake. I particularly agree with whoever posted saying
> that if it's good, they're happy. To my mind, to WANT it to be bad
> somehow shows that you want to keep POTA as a private,
> exclusive 'club'(with YOU as the president, no doubt.) Well I got
> news for you Rory buddy, it ain't. We've all seen it. Yes, we are
> fans. But millions of others have seen it and know it and think
> fondly of it. Come on now, show a little generosity. The Burton
> remake might be great and rectify all that was wrong with the
> original. Keep your negative thoughts and snide comments to
> yourself, please.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ooops! OK, maybe I was a little hasty with that last post. Everyone seems
to understand each other now. Sorry!

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <littleguybrian@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Rory


>
> >
> > Uhhh.....this was meant as a joke from me. Rory and I have become
> pretty good
> > friends on this list in the past month or so. I am pretty sure he
> knew I was
> > joking. If not, I apologize pal!
> >
> > Keep the quotes coming
> >
> > Matt
>
>
> I'm sure if you and Rory are pals he knew you were kidding with him,
> Matt. I wasn't kidding when I said I'm getting tired of clicking
> into messages to find nothing but quotes from the movie. I guess I
> should learn to be more tolerant. Some of his messages are okay which
> is why I read them. It just takes a long time for my messages to load
> on this old dinosaur I use, and to wait three minutes to get just
> ANOTHER POTA quote from Rory sort of wears a little thin. I know the
> guy's just trying to be funny, and I apologize if I seemed mean
> spirited. I just don't think that quoting endless lines from a movie
> we all know by heart is a substitute for 'wit', and in future, I
> won't click into his messages because it just takes too long to load
> to ultimately be confronted with a line from the movie. The rest of
> you, however, have a lot of good information to share and a lot of
> interesting thoughts on both the original and the Burton remake, and
> I enjoy reading them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Star Wars" has a little bit of everything - - - western, war movie, sci -
fi, sword and sorcery fantasy - - - that's how it was designed. But it was
original in the way that stuff was combined. If I may get Roryic for a
moment, I would never say "Star Wars" is junk, but I have a certain bias
against it because I always thought "Apes" was better and "Star Wars" just
came out and stomped all over it . "Apes" was there first in terms of a
continuing story told over several movies , in terms of mass merchandising,
in terms of visual quality, and for many people sci-fi begins with "Star
Wars". But after "Empire Strikes Back" it went downhill.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Quoting Lines from the Movie


> In a message dated 4/1/01 9:35:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
> littleguybrian@... writes:
>
> << I confess to being baffled by this one. Any thoughts on it? >>
>
> Star Wars is actually a western.
> I know, I though WTF too, first time I heard this in film class.
> But if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.
> It's really a heroic myth at the heart of it.
> A youngster sets off on a quest, is imparted knowledge.
> returns with magic to save his people etc . . .
> But it still retains a lot of the conventions of a western.
> It's just set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
> With a lot of futuristic toys instead of six guns.
> The Cantina scene . . . perfect example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Natalie Trundy has photos of that. She, Ricardo Montalban, damn, my minds
a blank...the actors that played Breck and McDonald...they were the judges.
It happened to promote "Conquest". - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: What's the point?


> In a message dated 4/1/01 10:23:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
> afryt4u@... writes:
>
> << Like, anyone out there got a picture of Zira in a bikini? >>
>
> Funny you should mention that Bri,
> Remeber the ape beauty contest held many years ago?
> Any one know what happened to the photos of that?
> I'm sure there must have been publicity on that some where!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Thanks Jeff

The new issue of "Wizard" has two pages on the new "Apes" plus a great picture of some chimp and gorilla extras.

 

Thanks for the tip Jeff, I'm headed for my local news stand now.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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In a message dated 4/1/01 10:20:14 AM, littleguybrian@... writes:

<<I
won't click into his messages because it just takes too long to load
to ultimately be confronted with a line from the movie. The rest of
you, however, have a lot of good information to share and a lot of
interesting thoughts on both the original and the Burton remake, and
I enjoy reading them. >>

Well that's your perogative. I think you are doing yourself a disservice if
you do this. Rory has a lot to add to the apes discussion and films in
general.

Matt

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

Hi Jeff,
Sounds like a detailed article you're writing there.
Although I'm not a history buff, that whole Gallipoli thing was pretty much a big deal, as much as the attack on Pearl Harbour was for America ( I guess? Michael, can you back me up here?). I never saw the movie.
I was at Fox when Rupert bought it. It didn't really effect us day to day ( other than the creation of the Australian Studio where we later moved). We just became part of a larger organization.That being News Limited. Corporately, this had it's benefits as we were able to "synergise" ( is that even a word) with our "sister" companies to maximize cost effectiveness. If anything, the bottom line became more important than ever before ( like any large corporation), and probably still is. Bill Mechanic would probably never get the chance to go out on a limb with a project like Titanic ever again, if he was still with the company. Hence, Fox tend to go for "safer bets" or lower budget films for higher turnover ( teen market films) these days. This of coarse, is only my observation, generally most people I worked with were quite content . For me, I'd just been there for too long.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.   Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?  Thanks.                                                  - - - - Jeff Krueger----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

 I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

Hi Jeff,
Sounds like a detailed article you're writing there.
Although I'm not a history buff, that whole Gallipoli thing was pretty much a big deal, as much as the attack on Pearl Harbour was for America ( I guess? Michael, can you back me up here?). I never saw the movie.
I was at Fox when Rupert bought it. It didn't really effect us day to day ( other than the creation of the Australian Studio where we later moved). We just became part of a larger organization.That being News Limited. Corporately, this had it's benefits as we were able to "synergise" ( is that even a word) with our "sister" companies to maximize cost effectiveness. If anything, the bottom line became more important than ever before ( like any large corporation), and probably still is. Bill Mechanic would probably never get the chance to go out on a limb with a project like Titanic ever again, if he was still with the company. Hence, Fox tend to go for "safer bets" or lower budget films for higher turnover ( teen market films) these days. This of coarse, is only my observation, generally most people I worked with were quite content . For me, I'd just been there for too long.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.   Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?  Thanks.                                                  - - - - Jeff Krueger----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

 I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: [pota] Magazines

  The new issue of "Wizard" has two pages on the new "Apes" plus a great picture of some chimp and gorilla extras. There's some nice tidbits...says the budget was $70 million (what a bargain!)...that Thade was originally a gorilla but they made him a chimp because that would be more threatening (I guess chimps are the scary ones in this movie; the chimps are at the front of the army as "shock troops" , and are faster than horses)...Michael Clarke Duncan excelled at "ape school" while Helena Carter failed...Most actors spent 2 and a half hours each day in makeup but Carter spent 4 hours because Baker wanted it to be believable that she would entice Wahlberg...Roth had trouble with his dentures and the line "Apart from my father.." came out "A fart from my father.."...      oh, and Ben Stiller visited the set.

 

  The "Previews" comic shop catalogue has alot of "Ape" stuff in it. "Dark Horse" is sponsoring a contest  (make yourself up as an ape), we get to see the comic book covers, there's going to be a "making of" book, a novelization AND the return of Boulle's book. Also in there is a calendar, T-shirts (but no LordT-shirts), toys, and $25 letter openers (not from Japan).

 

  In "Total Movie" they review the teaser poster plus they have an interview with newly christened Best Director Steven Soderbergh ("Erin Brockovitch", "Traffic")  who says his earliest movie memory (he was born in '63) was: "1968, drive-in theater in Pennsylvania, "Planet of the Apes". My father put his hand over my face at the beginning when they find one of their cryogenic capsules had a crack in it and there's that skeleton there. I remember his hand coming up over my face, because he didn't want me to see that. That's my first memory of seeing a movie".

Soderbergh says he was impressed later reading a review in a Pauline Kael book that she thought it was the best science-fiction movie ever. Soderbergh is planning to remake the Russian sci-si film "Solaris" for James Cameron: "What's interesting about it is it's not a hardware science fiction movie, it's a psychological drama that happens to be set in space, and that's what's interesting to me. I'm interested in science fiction, but only in the conceptual side of it".

 

                                                      - - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: [pota] Magazines

  The new issue of "Wizard" has two pages on the new "Apes" plus a great picture of some chimp and gorilla extras. There's some nice tidbits...says the budget was $70 million (what a bargain!)...that Thade was originally a gorilla but they made him a chimp because that would be more threatening (I guess chimps are the scary ones in this movie; the chimps are at the front of the army as "shock troops" , and are faster than horses)...Michael Clarke Duncan excelled at "ape school" while Helena Carter failed...Most actors spent 2 and a half hours each day in makeup but Carter spent 4 hours because Baker wanted it to be believable that she would entice Wahlberg...Roth had trouble with his dentures and the line "Apart from my father.." came out "A fart from my father.."...      oh, and Ben Stiller visited the set.

 

  The "Previews" comic shop catalogue has alot of "Ape" stuff in it. "Dark Horse" is sponsoring a contest  (make yourself up as an ape), we get to see the comic book covers, there's going to be a "making of" book, a novelization AND the return of Boulle's book. Also in there is a calendar, T-shirts (but no LordT-shirts), toys, and $25 letter openers (not from Japan).

 

  In "Total Movie" they review the teaser poster plus they have an interview with newly christened Best Director Steven Soderbergh ("Erin Brockovitch", "Traffic")  who says his earliest movie memory (he was born in '63) was: "1968, drive-in theater in Pennsylvania, "Planet of the Apes". My father put his hand over my face at the beginning when they find one of their cryogenic capsules had a crack in it and there's that skeleton there. I remember his hand coming up over my face, because he didn't want me to see that. That's my first memory of seeing a movie".

Soderbergh says he was impressed later reading a review in a Pauline Kael book that she thought it was the best science-fiction movie ever. Soderbergh is planning to remake the Russian sci-si film "Solaris" for James Cameron: "What's interesting about it is it's not a hardware science fiction movie, it's a psychological drama that happens to be set in space, and that's what's interesting to me. I'm interested in science fiction, but only in the conceptual side of it".

 

                                                      - - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/1/01 3:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

They also did a "All-time Best" list for Science fiction movies. I don't
remember them all but "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was #1, "2001" was,
like, #3 , "Empire Strikes Back" was in the top five I think, and "Planet
of the Apes" was #6. They said that "Apes" gets kind of neglected but
people should look at it anew, etc. They ranked about 50 of them. It'd be a
nice keepsake but it's $10! Mostly it's a way for "Cinescape" to reprint
stuff and make a buck.

This is one of the reasons I'm kind of anti-"Star Wars."   It came along and
suddenly no one wanted to know from "Apes" anymore, most appallingly Fox --
and Fox wouldn't have made "Star Wars" if it hadn't been for "Apes" in the
first place.  Fox treated the "Apes" movies as second-class films for nearly
fifteen years, I think.  I'm glad Cinescape thinks the original should be
looked at anew, especially since it was all 'kitsch' to them not too long ago.

I just don't get the appeal of "Star Wars."  But, don't anyone here bother to
explain it to me -- I've heard it all, but I just don't think in the end it
adds up to much.    

And listen everyone.... just because I may say that I think this movie stinks
or that director is a hack, that doesn't mean I think you're wrong or stupid
if you have the opposite view.   I don't understand why we just can't have
intellectual arguments here and leave feelings out of it.  I'm not interested
in attacking anyone here personally -- hell, I don't even know you!  You're
all just type on my computer.   Okay, I've made some wise-cracks, but they
weren't meant to be mean.  I'll watch it in future.  And this reminds me of
something from PLANET (if I may quote some lines)....

Dr. Zaius:  "I have always known about man.  From the evidence, I believe his
wisdom must walk hand in hand with his idiocy.  His emotions must rule his
brain.  He must be a warlike animal who gives battle to everything around him
-- even himself."

Not exactly 'positive,' wouldn't you agree?  (And by the way, I think I'm
correct when I say that these lines of dialogue are the only ones that
survive from the Rod Serling script drafts.  Now Serling, there was a far
from positive person.  Of course, that's just my opinion.  If you think I'm
wrong or being too negative, feel free to say so.  And, yes, I do know a lot
about these films, and I'm sorry if I sometimes come across as a know-it-all,
but I can't help that apart from not saying anything at all.)

The "Planet of the Apes" movies are far from being 'positive' pictures in my
mind.  The main character in the first one is a bastard (And by the way, I
think Charlton Heston's real-life political view are abominable.), they
always ended badly, had (or have) a terrible view of the chances for peaceful
relations between social groups, and pretty much had me as a child thinking
the world was going to blow-up any day now.  But of course, they're 'just
movies.'

Okay, I'm starting to ramble here so I'll just end this.

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williejoe@... writes:

 I got a call from someone who wants to pester Fox to put the "Apes" TV
shows on video. What's the best way for him to do that?                     
             - - - - Jeff

Even though I thought the POTA TV show 'sucked,'  I'd love to see Fox release
it on DVD (It's the POTA 'completist' in me.).

If everyone in this group would just take the time to write to Fox, then
maybe they'll listen.  God knows they didn't listen to me when I wrote to
them almost monthly for eight years begging for a Collector's Edition of
PLANET on laserdisc, but now that DVDs are so hot, and the new movie is
coming out, and the Fox smells money.... well, you get the idea.

Write to: Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, P.O. Box 900, Beverly
Hills, CA  90213-0900

It'll take a lot of letters to get them to listen, so everyone write even if
it's just a postcard.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Magazines

In a message dated 4/1/01 3:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

They also did a "All-time Best" list for Science fiction movies. I don't
remember them all but "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was #1, "2001" was,
like, #3 , "Empire Strikes Back" was in the top five I think, and "Planet
of the Apes" was #6. They said that "Apes" gets kind of neglected but
people should look at it anew, etc. They ranked about 50 of them. It'd be a
nice keepsake but it's $10! Mostly it's a way for "Cinescape" to reprint
stuff and make a buck.

This is one of the reasons I'm kind of anti-"Star Wars."   It came along and
suddenly no one wanted to know from "Apes" anymore, most appallingly Fox --
and Fox wouldn't have made "Star Wars" if it hadn't been for "Apes" in the
first place.  Fox treated the "Apes" movies as second-class films for nearly
fifteen years, I think.  I'm glad Cinescape thinks the original should be
looked at anew, especially since it was all 'kitsch' to them not too long ago.

I just don't get the appeal of "Star Wars."  But, don't anyone here bother to
explain it to me -- I've heard it all, but I just don't think in the end it
adds up to much.    

And listen everyone.... just because I may say that I think this movie stinks
or that director is a hack, that doesn't mean I think you're wrong or stupid
if you have the opposite view.   I don't understand why we just can't have
intellectual arguments here and leave feelings out of it.  I'm not interested
in attacking anyone here personally -- hell, I don't even know you!  You're
all just type on my computer.   Okay, I've made some wise-cracks, but they
weren't meant to be mean.  I'll watch it in future.  And this reminds me of
something from PLANET (if I may quote some lines)....

Dr. Zaius:  "I have always known about man.  From the evidence, I believe his
wisdom must walk hand in hand with his idiocy.  His emotions must rule his
brain.  He must be a warlike animal who gives battle to everything around him
-- even himself."

Not exactly 'positive,' wouldn't you agree?  (And by the way, I think I'm
correct when I say that these lines of dialogue are the only ones that
survive from the Rod Serling script drafts.  Now Serling, there was a far
from positive person.  Of course, that's just my opinion.  If you think I'm
wrong or being too negative, feel free to say so.  And, yes, I do know a lot
about these films, and I'm sorry if I sometimes come across as a know-it-all,
but I can't help that apart from not saying anything at all.)

The "Planet of the Apes" movies are far from being 'positive' pictures in my
mind.  The main character in the first one is a bastard (And by the way, I
think Charlton Heston's real-life political view are abominable.), they
always ended badly, had (or have) a terrible view of the chances for peaceful
relations between social groups, and pretty much had me as a child thinking
the world was going to blow-up any day now.  But of course, they're 'just
movies.'

Okay, I'm starting to ramble here so I'll just end this.

-- Rory

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.htmlThanks, Jeff.  And by the way, Joe isn't really pissed at you, I was just
exaggerating.  In fact, I haven't gotten an e-mail from him in a while, and I
sent him a copy of "The Legend of Hell House" because believe it or not he's
never seen it.  I'd give him a call, but the last time he kept me on the
phone for two and a half hours.  Of course, what he has to say is
interesting, but that's an expensive price to pay.  He also claims NEVER to
have seen any "Star Wars" film and says he hates how they eclipsed "Apes."   
Anyway, I really hope his "POTA revisited" book is actually going to become
fact at last.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:13 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Magazines

Thanks, Jeff.  And by the way, Joe isn't really pissed at you, I was just
exaggerating.  In fact, I haven't gotten an e-mail from him in a while, and I
sent him a copy of "The Legend of Hell House" because believe it or not he's
never seen it.  I'd give him a call, but the last time he kept me on the
phone for two and a half hours.  Of course, what he has to say is
interesting, but that's an expensive price to pay.  He also claims NEVER to
have seen any "Star Wars" film and says he hates how they eclipsed "Apes."   
Anyway, I really hope his "POTA revisited" book is actually going to become
fact at last.

Take care,
Rory

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I've gotta say that Star Wars is a movie I have watched many more times than
I have watched POTA, but I collect POTA with an insane passion and only buy
a few Star Wars toys for my 5 year old....

As original as Buck Rogers may have been , I wouldn't wish watching re-runs
upon anyone......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: littleguybrian@... [littleguybrian@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 22:10
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA and Star Trek

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> Hey,STAR WARS wasn't "original"at all.You can ask Lucas himself if
you don't
> believe me.He always said it was based on the Saturday morning
> cliffhangers/serials he watched growing up.You may say "Well,he put
it in
> space",well that may be true,but remember,"Buck Rogers" was the
first "outer
> space" serial if I remember correctly.

Are you directing this message at me, cause I said in a post to that
guy who was slamming Star Wars that Star Wars was 'original'. I was
using the world 'original' in the context of film making technique
and conceptualisation. Anyone who knows even the basics of classic
literature will know that most stories that we know and love have
been regenerated and reworked over the centuries and, particularly in
the 20th century, in movies. Yes, Lucas said he based Star Wars on
Saturday Morning cliffhangers (S.S did the same with Indiana Jones),
but does that mean that it should be discounted as 'un-orginal'?
I think if you polled most people, they would rate Star Wars as an
all-round better movie than POTA. I personally enjoy POTA more, but
that doesn't give anyone the right to bash Star Wars like that Rory
guy did.
All I was trying to say was that loving a movie doesn't automatically
mean that every OTHER movie in the genre is crap.

T

Was that "Vicky", a "talking " chimpanzee?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 22:24
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Genetic Re-engineering

In a message dated 3/31/01 7:32:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< It wasn't "proven" until 1973 that apes do not have the capacity for
speech. >>

Not entirely true. I heard a chimp talk at the Hogle Zoo in SLC in the
70's.
She didn't was more than a couple words and had to hold her nore to do it,
but she could talk. But she gave no "speech". Nuk nuk nuk...

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:46 PM

Subject: [pota] Re:"Gladiator?"

Alex - - -

 

  What's with the "Gladiator" site? What happened to "Apes" Classic? Are you still doing the "Terminator" site?

 

The Classic apes site is in the remake site.

Just click on the astronuats "Heston Gang" and you'll see the full classic site.

 

Gladiator is a pesonal favorite.

Terminator will soon follow next year.

 

All sites will remain intact with nothing removed.

Just have to do a little bit more searching that's all....

Makes the site more interesting.

 

Got the magazine and will soon post the chimp gang on my images section.

Thanks again Jeff.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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Hi Brian and welcome to the group.

Star Wars not Si-Fi? Sounds like a really dull thesis, don't you think?

Just a thought - my dad saw SW with me on its original release in 77 and he
refers to it as a Western!!! Funny, but the more you think about it - he
has a point (except the horses are substituted with Hi-Tech transport etc).

Maybe this is the underlying philosophy behind such a radical claim!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: littleguybrian@... [littleguybrian@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 0:35
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Quoting Lines from the Movie

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> << As a psychiatrist with a busy surgery and a lot of charity work
to do
> in my spare hours, the time I spend on egroups is valuable. >>
>
>
> "You're advanced enough to preform experimental Brain Surgery!?!"
>
> Sorry Brian, I couldn't resist that one. Thought I'd beat Rory to
it.

Laughed my a** off, too, Lord! My only wish is that I'd thought of
it myself (to beat Rory! L.O.L!) By the way, I liked your comments on
Star Wars. I read recently that Star Wars 'does not count as science
fiction'. HELLO?! I confess to being baffled by this one. Any
thoughts on it?

All best,
Brian

Just for the record, for those who don't know what this is about (yes, I
realize there is an unseen constituent reading these), I've done my share of
reading about how "realistic " a planet of the apes is. I read that in 1973
a researcher found that apes don't have the capacity for speech as we know
it. There was a documentary on the TV show "Nova" (great title!) with the
lady who trains Kanzi, a chimp star, and she said apes aren't able to
pronounce consonants (r, d, s, h, etc.) though they can pronounce vowels (a,
e, i, o, u). So, the apes we know today will never talk like in "Planet of
the Apes" short of genetic engineering, an alternate timeline, another
planet (like Burton's version) or something not thought of. But they do take
to sign language and as sentient creatures do not deserve the certain
extinction we've set for them.

- - - Jeff Krueger

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From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] Genetic Re-engineering


> T
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> Was that "Vicky", a "talking " chimpanzee?
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> Michael
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> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 22:24
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Genetic Re-engineering
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> In a message dated 3/31/01 7:32:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << It wasn't "proven" until 1973 that apes do not have the capacity for
> speech. >>
>
> Not entirely true. I heard a chimp talk at the Hogle Zoo in SLC in the
> 70's.
> She didn't was more than a couple words and had to hold her nore to do it,
> but she could talk. But she gave no "speech". Nuk nuk nuk...
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.htmlJeff,

I read your posting about the call you received concerning the POTA tv
series.I wish I knew who to contact about that,because I'd like them to
release them here in the states the way they did in Australia.That would kick
ass.

But if they'd do it,I'd like them on DVD as well as on VHS.I think this group
may have something we can all agree on in getting FOX to put the complete tv
series out on video and DVD.I know I'll email and write FOX if anyone can get
the proper addresses to write to.I'd love nice CRYSTAL CLEAR,UNCUT episodes
of all 14 episodes,as well as RETURN TO THE POTA.

And to those out there that may wonder if I think RETURN is "REAL" APES,I
can't lie to you all,no,I don't.When I look at RETURN,I wish they hadn't gone
so nuts with it.I would have liked them to stay "REAL APES" with it.The
stories themselves aren't all bad,but I think they should have stayed more
realistic with them,like not getting so cartoonish with them.I mean the sea
serpent,the flying monster,and the giant gorilla have no place in there.Yes,I
think that aspect of the episodes ruined them.And what they did with the Apes
themselves also sucked.I mean come,on an Ape equivalent of  Walter
Cronkite,with a moustache no less,you can't tell me with a straight face that
that really fits in with what the first movie laid down.And Buddist Apes
(also w/moustaches)have NO place in what I consider to be POTA.What they
should have done with the cartoon was either stick with the premise they went
with,(borrowing concepts from the 1st 2 movies)and just stayed Ape with it,OR
they should have just picked up with where the tv series left off,and maybe
have gotten the stars to do their voices for it.I know I got a bit off the
original reason for this posting with what I said about the cartoon.But I did
it in case anyone out there would be saying "I thought he only likes what he
considers to be APE canon".I don't consider the cartoon to be part of that at
all.But it is ok on its own,but I won't ever say it ties in with the movies
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:30 PM

Subject: [pota] Like a Virgin....

Ah crap,

 

Now I have to go sell all my Planet of the Apes Dollies!!!

 

WAHHHHH!!!

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [mailto:prophecysite@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 2:21
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Sex sSene in new Apes

Suckerrrrrrrrr...........
Check your calendar

 

When I was a child, I thought as a child.

But when I became a man, I thought as a man...

 

Words to live by.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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.htmlRory,

I just read the posting you left for the group.While I know some of your
comments ticked me off,I didn't take them personally.I'm sure something I
said,or will say will tick you off too,but I know and you know that these are
OUR own individual opinions,we AREN'T speaking for the group,only ourselves.

The point I'm getting at is this,your posting was very well put this time.I
agreed with the way you said everything.And Taylor is cool,no matter how
"negative" they say he is.....
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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:43 PM

Subject: [pota] I wish I knew who to talk to at FOX

Jeff,

I read your posting about the call you received concerning the POTA tv
series.I wish I knew who to contact about that,because I'd like them to
release them here in the states the way they did in Australia.That would kick
ass.

But if they'd do it,I'd like them on DVD as well as on VHS.I think this group
may have something we can all agree on in getting FOX to put the complete tv
series out on video and DVD.I know I'll email and write FOX if anyone can get
the proper addresses to write to.I'd love nice CRYSTAL CLEAR,UNCUT episodes
of all 14 episodes,as well as RETURN TO THE POTA.

And to those out there that may wonder if I think RETURN is "REAL" APES,I
can't lie to you all,no,I don't.When I look at RETURN,I wish they hadn't gone
so nuts with it.I would have liked them to stay "REAL APES" with it.The
stories themselves aren't all bad,but I think they should have stayed more
realistic with them,like not getting so cartoonish with them.I mean the sea
serpent,the flying monster,and the giant gorilla have no place in there.Yes,I
think that aspect of the episodes ruined them.And what they did with the Apes
themselves also sucked.I mean come,on an Ape equivalent of  Walter
Cronkite,with a moustache no less,you can't tell me with a straight face that
that really fits in with what the first movie laid down.And Buddist Apes
(also w/moustaches)have NO place in what I consider to be POTA.What they
should have done with the cartoon was either stick with the premise they went
with,(borrowing concepts from the 1st 2 movies)and just stayed Ape with it,OR
they should have just picked up with where the tv series left off,and maybe
have gotten the stars to do their voices for it.I know I got a bit off the
original reason for this posting with what I said about the cartoon.But I did
it in case anyone out there would be saying "I thought he only likes what he
considers to be APE canon".I don't consider the cartoon to be part of that at
all.But it is ok on its own,but I won't ever say it ties in with the movies
or the tv series.

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.htmlRORY,

I JUST READ YOUR EMAIL WITH THE ADDRESS FOR FOX.THANKS FOR THE TIP.I KNOW
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In a message dated 4/1/01 11:14:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Wow! A Blast from the past! >>

For those of you who hadn't heard about this it was a beauty contest with
bikini models made up as she-apes. The juxtaposition must have been
fascinating if not somewhat disturbing.

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Good luck.

brian

Jack Krueger wrote:

Cougar - - -    Rory posted an address to write but it seems generic. I don't know how to bypass "the system". Anyone? Personally, I think they will release the TV show on video and hopefully DVD. They have to release something with this new movie and since they JUST released the movies I don't think they can do that again.   The cartoon series: I was a kid when it originally showed. I didn't bother to watch even though I was a big "Apes" fan. I remember at that point I was really pissed off that they ended th live-action one. Yeah, now I don't agree with it but I understand the idea: Adults aren't watching, we can't sell them our products, cancel it. But then I thought all the 'Apes stuff was by the same people. You take away that cool makeup and expect me to watch a cartoon? I saw one scene which I still remember to this day after, what, 25 years? Zira looks at him in the cage wagon and calls him "Bright Eyes". All these years later I have them on tape and know that it's episode 2. But even as a kid I didn't make time for it as I did for the live-action series. That's why I ALWAYS think culture talks down to kids. I saw the "Planet of the Apes" films when I was quite young and even as a kid I got it.  I heard a quote from George Lucas (since "Star Wars" has been a big topic here). He heard the complaints about "Episode One" that he left out the adults and he said something like : "'Star Wars' was always for kids; you guys were kids when you saw the originals". Yeah? Well, "Return of the Jedi " and "Episode One" are a far cry from "Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back". To me the ultimate test is if you can love something as a kid and still love it as an adult and for me it's "Planet of the Apes" and few others.                                                                    - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:43 PM

Subject: [pota] I wish I knew who to talk to at FOX

 Jeff,

I read your posting about the call you received concerning the POTA tv
series.I wish I knew who to contact about that,because I'd like them to
release them here in the states the way they did in Australia.That would kick
ass.

But if they'd do it,I'd like them on DVD as well as on VHS.I think this group
may have something we can all agree on in getting FOX to put the complete tv
series out on video and DVD.I know I'll email and write FOX if anyone can get
the proper addresses to write to.I'd love nice CRYSTAL CLEAR,UNCUT episodes
of all 14 episodes,as well as RETURN TO THE POTA.

And to those out there that may wonder if I think RETURN is "REAL" APES,I
can't lie to you all,no,I don't.When I look at RETURN,I wish they hadn't gone
so nuts with it.I would have liked them to stay "REAL APES" with it.The
stories themselves aren't all bad,but I think they should have stayed more
realistic with them,like not getting so cartoonish with them.I mean the sea
serpent,the flying monster,and the giant gorilla have no place in there.Yes,I
think that aspect of the episodes ruined them.And what they did with the Apes
themselves also sucked.I mean come,on an Ape equivalent of  Walter
Cronkite,with a moustache no less,you can't tell me with a straight face that
that really fits in with what the first movie laid down.And Buddist Apes
(also w/moustaches)have NO place in what I consider to be POTA.What they
should have done with the cartoon was either stick with the premise they went
with,(borrowing concepts from the 1st 2 movies)and just stayed Ape with it,OR
they should have just picked up with where the tv series left off,and maybe
have gotten the stars to do their voices for it.I know I got a bit off the
original reason for this posting with what I said about the cartoon.But I did
it in case anyone out there would be saying "I thought he only likes what he
considers to be APE canon".I don't consider the cartoon to be part of that at
all.But it is ok on its own,but I won't ever say it ties in with the movies
or the tv series.

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.htmlJeff,

I agree with you,Rory's address is a little "generic" but I'll use it.At this
point its all I have to work with.So,I'll write my request letter and off
it'll go to the p.o. box.It sure can't hurt to write to the address Rory gave
but it probably is not going to do a lot of good.

As for your comments about why the tv series was cancelled:I don't doubt that
it was cancelled because a lot of kids were watching and the show wasn't
"selling enough soap" as they say.That being the excuse given by the execs
anyway.But I think what REALLY caused the quick cancellation of the show was
the then president of CBS,William Paley.He is the man who had "Gilligan's
Island" cancelled because his wife wanted "Gunsmoke" back on the air even
though it was cancelled and "Gilligan" was renewed.Mrs.Paley wanted
"Gunsmoke" so "Gilligan" got the boot.What does this have to do with APES you
ask,I'll tell you.In the old POTA magazine,I'm sorry I don't know the issue
#,there was an interview with Mark Lenard,and he talks about the show's so
called "low ratings",etc...But in that article he also says that Paley said
"I WON'T HAVE AN 'APES' SHOW ON MY NETWORK".That comment right there is why I
really think it was cancelled,because he didn't want it on,plain and simple.I
really do not doubt it.He was a tyrant at that network and got what he
wanted,the "Gilligan/Gunsmoke" cancellations being the only example I
personally know of,but its enough to convince me.If anyone out there can
provide evidence to support my claim or disprove my theory,please do so.

And as far a STAR WARS goes,I gotta say,in my opinion,they are not
sci-fi.They are space fantasy,plain and simple.That is not knocking them in
anyway,its just what I consider them to be.I also think they ARE "kid"
movies.I loved them when I was younger,but now I watch them and think,"What
the hell was I thinking?"I know I couldn't watch JEDI at all these days,that
movie being a bad episode of "THE MUPPET SHOW".But even when I did like
SW,nothing could EVER beat my APES.APES is the best for me,then and now.It'll
never be beat....<.html

<< When I was a child, I thought as a child.
But when I became a man, I thought as a man... >>

Is this sage advice from the Man who threw a cyber tantrum last week, Alex?
Grow up!
I quote the great star of Sham 69 Jimmy Pursey . . .
"I'm a man
I'm a boy
I'm a boy
I'm a man
I don't really give a damn
I don't care what I am
Nobody really cares who you are
Who you are, who you aaaaaaaaaaaare

It was just babes with pull-over ape masks. I'd rather see their
- - - J.K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] ape beauty contest ?


> In a message dated 4/1/01 11:14:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
> afryt4u@... writes:
>
> << Wow! A Blast from the past! >>
>
> For those of you who hadn't heard about this it was a beauty contest with
> bikini models made up as she-apes. The juxtaposition must have been
> fascinating if not somewhat disturbing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Just caught The Simpsons. Time's running out. There's only a few minutes
left and still no POTA ref. The Simpsons are with a Jane Goddall type. Turns
out she's using monkeys to dig for diamonds. Her research is just a cover.
Lisa picks up a book labeled "Serious Research" . She opens it up and says
"Hey, these are just pictures of well known movie apes! First picture she
sees is a couple of gorillas hunting this guy wearin' a collar and leash
through a cornfield. I knew Matt Groening wouldn't let us down. Go Apes,
John

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] I wish I knew who to talk to at FOX

Jeff,

I agree with you,Rory's address is a little "generic" but I'll use it.At this
point its all I have to work with.So,I'll write my request letter and off
it'll go to the p.o. box.It sure can't hurt to write to the address Rory gave
but it probably is not going to do a lot of good.

As for your comments about why the tv series was cancelled:I don't doubt that
it was cancelled because a lot of kids were watching and the show wasn't
"selling enough soap" as they say.That being the excuse given by the execs
anyway.But I think what REALLY caused the quick cancellation of the show was
the then president of CBS,William Paley.He is the man who had "Gilligan's
Island" cancelled because his wife wanted "Gunsmoke" back on the air even
though it was cancelled and "Gilligan" was renewed.Mrs.Paley wanted
"Gunsmoke" so "Gilligan" got the boot.What does this have to do with APES you
ask,I'll tell you.In the old POTA magazine,I'm sorry I don't know the issue
#,there was an interview with Mark Lenard,and he talks about the show's so
called "low ratings",etc...But in that article he also says that Paley said
"I WON'T HAVE AN 'APES' SHOW ON MY NETWORK".That comment right there is why I
really think it was cancelled,because he didn't want it on,plain and simple.I
really do not doubt it.He was a tyrant at that network and got what he
wanted,the "Gilligan/Gunsmoke" cancellations being the only example I
personally know of,but its enough to convince me.If anyone out there can
provide evidence to support my claim or disprove my theory,please do so.

And as far a STAR WARS goes,I gotta say,in my opinion,they are not
sci-fi.They are space fantasy,plain and simple.That is not knocking them in
anyway,its just what I consider them to be.I also think they ARE "kid"
movies.I loved them when I was younger,but now I watch them and think,"What
the hell was I thinking?"I know I couldn't watch JEDI at all these days,that
movie being a bad episode of "THE MUPPET SHOW".But even when I did like
SW,nothing could EVER beat my APES.APES is the best for me,then and now.It'll
never be beat....

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Ooops! Though the original post was more suggestive, I meant " I'd rather
see their faces"...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] ape beauty contest ?


> It was just babes with pull-over ape masks. I'd rather see their
> - - - J.K.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] ape beauty contest ?
>
>
> > In a message dated 4/1/01 11:14:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > afryt4u@... writes:
> >
> > << Wow! A Blast from the past! >>
> >
> > For those of you who hadn't heard about this it was a beauty contest
with
> > bikini models made up as she-apes. The juxtaposition must have been
> > fascinating if not somewhat disturbing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
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In a message dated 4/1/01 12:34:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< because I always thought "Apes" was better and "Star Wars" >>

"But he was here before you, and he was better than you are."

Everyone knows its Apes success that paved the way for Star Wars.
Now we've come full circle. Phantom Menace, perhaps the most inferior Star
Wars of all, success may have influenced the new Apes getting the green light.

In a message dated 4/1/01 12:38:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Natalie Trundy has photos of that. >>

Jeff, why not get some scans to share with the group?
It's a part of apes history that not many have seen.

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<< I won't click into his messages >>

You have too.
This isn't the mutual appreciation society.
If every post was agreeable we wouldn't get anything out of this group.
It's though conflict and discourse that we find new ground.
I think we've made some real progress here today.
But our time is up.
That'll be 85 dollars please.

In a message dated 4/1/01 4:56:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Was that "Vicky", a "talking " chimpanzee? >>

Can't say for sure.
I was twelve at the time.

In a message dated 4/1/01 7:42:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< It was just babes with pull-over ape masks. >>
Really?
I got the impression they were in makeup.
If they went to all that trouble you'd think they'd put a little more effort
into it.

Yeah shut up Jeff or we'll all start calling you "dude"!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 3:12
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rory

Ooops! OK, maybe I was a little hasty with that last post. Everyone seems
to understand each other now. Sorry!

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <littleguybrian@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Rory


>
> >
> > Uhhh.....this was meant as a joke from me. Rory and I have become
> pretty good
> > friends on this list in the past month or so. I am pretty sure he
> knew I was
> > joking. If not, I apologize pal!
> >
> > Keep the quotes coming
> >
> > Matt
>
>
> I'm sure if you and Rory are pals he knew you were kidding with him,
> Matt. I wasn't kidding when I said I'm getting tired of clicking
> into messages to find nothing but quotes from the movie. I guess I
> should learn to be more tolerant. Some of his messages are okay which
> is why I read them. It just takes a long time for my messages to load
> on this old dinosaur I use, and to wait three minutes to get just
> ANOTHER POTA quote from Rory sort of wears a little thin. I know the
> guy's just trying to be funny, and I apologize if I seemed mean
> spirited. I just don't think that quoting endless lines from a movie
> we all know by heart is a substitute for 'wit', and in future, I
> won't click into his messages because it just takes too long to load
> to ultimately be confronted with a line from the movie. The rest of
> you, however, have a lot of good information to share and a lot of
> interesting thoughts on both the original and the Burton remake, and
> I enjoy reading them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 4/1/01 7:58:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Ooops! Though the original post was more suggestive, I meant " I'd rather
see their faces"... >>

Awww...I thought you were going to say bods or boobs or butts.
Why spoil it?
Much like the mask revelation.
Kind of spoils an other wise hilarious concept.
To paraphrase The Cramps song Bikini Babes with Machine Guns...
Bikini Babes With Ape Heads!

<< AHHHHH....SHUT UP!

Alex >>

"Yeah! That's the spirit!"
~~Rutgar Hauer as Roy Batty in Blade Runner~~~

According to Fox, a new "Apes" is their most requested film. I wouldn't
credit that to "Star Wars" except in the grand scheme of creating a market
for great FX and science
fiction. - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Quoting Lines from the Movie


> In a message dated 4/1/01 12:34:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << because I always thought "Apes" was better and "Star Wars" >>
>
> "But he was here before you, and he was better than you are."
>
> Everyone knows its Apes success that paved the way for Star Wars.
> Now we've come full circle. Phantom Menace, perhaps the most inferior
Star
> Wars of all, success may have influenced the new Apes getting the green
light.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

We'll see. Right now I'm in flux going through all this stuff for "Ape
Chronicles" . I've got alot of stuff to go through at the Jacobs archives
(where most of the stuff is). If you guys could see that stuff...! Including
the "Apes" premieres. They had the shock table at the "Conquest" premiere
and guests were strapped in. When Joe Russo went through that stuff it was
in Natalie's home. Now it's there and everything costs money for copies (BIG
money, not like it'd be easy to make a profit.) The beauty contest Natalie
has in a laminated album, but I'll see what I can do . Right now I recommend
going to her website where "Time Machine" has alot of her photos (in the
film strips surrounding her bio (www.natalietrundy.com ). - - - -
Jeff

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From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: What's the point?


> In a message dated 4/1/01 12:38:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
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> << Natalie Trundy has photos of that. >>
>
> Jeff, why not get some scans to share with the group?
> It's a part of apes history that not many have seen.
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/1/01 6:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Just for the record, for those who don't know what this is about (yes, I
realize there is an unseen constituent reading these), I've done my share of
reading about how "realistic " a planet of the apes is. I read that in 1973
a researcher found that apes don't have the capacity for speech as we know
it. There was a documentary on the TV show "Nova" (great title!) with the
lady who trains Kanzi, a chimp star, and she said apes aren't able to
pronounce consonants (r, d, s, h, etc.) though they can pronounce vowels (a,
e, i, o, u). So, the apes we know today will never talk like in "Planet of
the Apes" short of genetic engineering, an alternate timeline, another
planet (like Burton's version) or something not thought of. But they do take
to sign language and as sentient creatures do not deserve the certain
extinction we've set for them.

                                                     - - - Jeff Krueger

If some of you in this group want to read a really good book, I recommend
Roger Fouts' "Next of Kin."   If you can feel empathy for the plight of
captive chimpanzees, then I think you'll find it very harrowing, in fact.

-- Rory<.html