Hi Steve, welcome to the list. Can't wait to see Empire & Total Film's
coverage of the new flick. Go Apes, John

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 3:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Some folks just don't get the jokes . . .
Someone asked if anyone was bothered by the suana scene.
I just couldn't pass up a set up like that.
But if you have to explain a joke, it isn't going to be funny anymore.
Please recalibrate your bullshit detector.

Keep the jokes coming, T.   I'm almost about to post something myself that I
think is very funny, but you'll need to be able to watch BENEATH on DVD.  I
don't think you have a DVD player, do you, T?

-- Rory<.html

Speaking of jokes...

When you say it was just where they were having their debate - imagine if
they chose the Cathedral to debate in....

The would have had a Mass Debate......(now say "Mass Debate" faster)......

Michael (with apologies)

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 5:41
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes

Some folks just don't get the jokes . . .
Someone asked if anyone was bothered by the suana scene.
I just couldn't pass up a set up like that.
But if you have to explain a joke, it isn't going to be funny anymore.
Please recalibrate your bullshit detector.

In a message dated 4/2/01 3:26:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@...
writes:<< Well I don't think it was "gay" as you put it.It was after all,a
private
meeting between 2 ape leaders.I'm sure sauna meetings go on between our
leaders too,that doesn't mean they are gay.I would never do it though,I can
promise you that.But like I said it was just where they were having their
debate,nothing more,nothing less.
I do agree with you though,they should have had female gorillas and
orangutans in the series (movies and tv) especially in the POTA funeral
scene.That always bugged me,all of the female mourners being female
chimps. >>

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 4:22:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Hahaha - Rory, you don't actually appear to have changed at all! These could
have been written yesterday!

Well, Alan, I guess the problem was this.  I saw the first film when I was
eight.  As I was getting older I wanted the APES films or whatever to become
more adult.  I think I first read the Boulle novel when I was twelve or
something, and I thought that was a pretty serious tale meant for adults.  
But as I was getting older, the APES phenomenon was getting more and more
juvenile.  I guess it just pissed me off.

I'm always amazed when some other POTA fan will tell me they got into it
after seeing BATTLE first, or the TV show.  I just don't see what was there
to hook you.  I think only the original is good enough to go crazy over, but
that's "just my insanity."

To each his own.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlHi Steve.  How's the weather over there in merry old England?  Eaten any beef
lately?   LOL!!!

I'm not going to say any more because you'll probably get sick of hearing
from me soon enough.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/4/01 5:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< The older I get, the more I think Chuck is a wanker.

His views seem narrow and closed minded. >>

You Aussies gave up your guns.
Let's see you back up that opinion now!
Just kidding Mike, well a little bit anywho.
But this is Texas! And though we have a lot,
if there's one thing we need more of, it's guns.
If anyone is narrow and close minded it's Rosie O'Donell.
She wanted to send actors dresses as Zira & Conelius to Chucks house!

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 6:39:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

The older I get, the more I think Chuck is a wanker.

His views seem narrow and closed minded.

Michael

I'm with you, mate!    I've had my own nickname for Chuck for several years
now.   I just call him "The Old Fart!"    I also heard another one that made
me laugh, Charlton Hysterical.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 6:55:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Sometimes the fur flies fast and furious.

T --

Sometimes I think this e-group should be called "The Trouble with Humans."

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 9:28:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

I'll go to see the new film although i think they should have left well
alone and perhaps made something original instead of endless Hollywood
remakes of old films and TV series.

RIGHT ON STEVE!!!!

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 10:44:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Well then, Remind me never to invite you to a party.

I only party with those who have a can a beer half full.
You can continue to party in your basement alone if you plaese...


Thats ok.Beer tastes like crap anyway.I'll gladly set home alone knowing that
when Heston and McDowall are on the screen I'm seeeing the real deal.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 3:17:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Welcome! I'm a fellow Brit, but not the only one. There are a few of us
here!

>I'll go to see the new film although i think they should have left well
>alone and perhaps made something original instead of endless Hollywood
>remakes of old films and TV series.


Pretty much my thoughts exactly. But I think perhaps we've covered this
topic already...

Alan

Yes,but its always good to hear others opinions on  the matter.What can I
say,you guys makes sense.

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Well then, Remind me never to invite you to a party.

I only party with those who have a can a beer half full.

You can continue to party in your basement alone if you plaese...

 

Best,

 

Alex

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 7:08:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Speaking of jokes...

When you say it was just where they were having their debate - imagine if
they chose the Cathedral to debate in....

The would have had a Mass Debate......(now say "Mass Debate" faster)......

Michael (with apologies)

Michael --

Are you a master debater?<.html

In a message dated 4/4/01 5:45:26 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< As I was getting older I wanted the APES films or whatever to become more
adult. >>

Yeah, where's the sex and violence of the NC-17 POTA?
Can you imagin what they could write with no limits?
That's a POTA that would stand the test of time.

In a message dated 4/4/01 5:46:19 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I don't think you have a DVD player, do you, T? >>

I just don't see any justification for the expense.
I'd have to buy programing to feed it, and apes has no extras.
What's the point? My topnotch Sony VCR does all I need it to do.
If the POTA game (which has been pushed back to July 3rd BTW) comes out on
Playstation 2, I'll get one of those. Until they record no need for a
dedicated machine.

.htmlOkay POTA e-group, I've been hinting at this, so now here here it is, but
you'll have to have the APES movies on DVD and of course a DVD player.  (For
those of you who only have VHS, well..... I guess you're just a lower order
of primate in this situation.)

Would any of you doubt me if I told you there's a moment in BENEATH THE
PLANET OF THE APES where you can see a gorilla sport some pretty major wood
-- both figuratively and literally?

Well, it's true -- and I assume you know what the slang term "major wood"
means.

To view this very prominint and no doubt painful event, go to Chapter 8 on
the BENEATH DVD.

Now, watch your time display on the player.  At 33 minutes and 2 seconds
(33:02) hit the still button, then step forward one frame at a time -- and
watch the gorilla running into the shot at the far left of the frame.

The first one of you who responds to this posting and confirms what I'm
saying wins a BIG banana!!!!

And as a bonus here's another one, this time from CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF
THE APES.

Go to Chapter Three on the CONQUEST DVD.  Watch the time display on the
player.   At 8 minutes and 56 seconds (8: 56) hit still, then step forward
one frame at a time.

This is the scene where Lisa leaves the bookstore and stops and looks back at
Caesar.   As you step forward you'll see coming into the frame from the right
a gorilla extra just leaning up against a wall behind Natalie Trundy (Lisa)
and just watching the scene being shot.   I guess he had no work to do at the
moment.

Well, good hunting POTA fans.  I'll have other such moments from the APES
movies in the future -- unless you all with DVD players start looking at this
things a frame at a time like me and beat me to the group with them.

C'ya!

-- Rory
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/01 10:45:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

I just don't see any justification for the expense.
I'd have to buy programing to feed it, and apes has no extras.
What's the point?  My topnotch Sony VCR does all I need it to do.
If the POTA game (which has been pushed back to July 3rd BTW) comes out on
Playstation 2, I'll get one of those.  Until they record no need for a
dedicated machine.

Well now, T old buddy, you might wish you had one.  Then again, maybe not.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/4/01 9:57:16 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< wish you had one. >>

My next computer will be DVD capable.
Then I guess I'll have to get the DVDs.
Maybe for the new film they'll upgrade them with more extras.

Gorillas with hard-ons? Wonderful. Next: Secrets of Natalie Trundy's
manicurist. Chrissakes. UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 96+ messages of
bullshit a day..............

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes


> In a message dated 4/4/01 9:57:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << wish you had one. >>
>
> My next computer will be DVD capable.
> Then I guess I'll have to get the DVDs.
> Maybe for the new film they'll upgrade them with more extras.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In the pocket banana category. . .
As many of you who read Playboy may know. Mr. McDowall sported sort of
tackle that would have done John Dillinger proud. This makes the line in
Escape about measuring his inside leg even funnier. For evidence of this
anomaly, go to the breeding scene in Conquest, as he's walking down the hall
to meet his prospective mate of the afternoon delight, his jumpsuit seems to
contain a foreign object. Like me you'll wonder why you never noticed it
before after all these years. I don't think you'll be able not too now. By
the way, does anyone know for sure who the girl was? Was that Joyce Haber?
I don't think it was Natalie Trundy. Just who was that? Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?

In a message dated 4/4/01 10:57:48 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<Now, watch your time display on the player. At 33 minutes and 2 seconds
(33:02) hit the still button, then step forward one frame at a time -- and
watch the gorilla running into the shot at the far left of the frame.

The first one of you who responds to this posting and confirms what I'm
saying wins a BIG banana!!!!>>

LOL! I guess you would call that his sacred scroll!

Matt

In a message dated 4/5/01 1:00:27 AM, pasta2@... writes:

<<Gorillas with hard-ons? Wonderful. Next: Secrets of Natalie Trundy's
manicurist. Chrissakes. UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 96+ messages of
bullshit a day..............>>

Jeez...lighten up. Sure some of this stuff is mindless and childish BUT
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUN! At least the stuff posted here is on topic and not
a bunch of flame wars.

Matt

one more time-- UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS FUCKING GROUP PLEASE!

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes


>
> In a message dated 4/5/01 1:00:27 AM, pasta2@... writes:
>
> <<Gorillas with hard-ons? Wonderful. Next: Secrets of Natalie Trundy's
> manicurist. Chrissakes. UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 96+ messages of
> bullshit a day..............>>
>
> Jeez...lighten up. Sure some of this stuff is mindless and childish BUT
> THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUN! At least the stuff posted here is on topic and
not
> a bunch of flame wars.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

You have to unsubscribe yourself

LOL! You have to unsubscribe yourself! I may not comment much but I do enjoy
this list. I'm going to check out the dvd's tonight or tomorrow.

Loc

and how, pray tell, can i unsubscribe myself? please tell me. thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: <locutusatwolf359@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes


> LOL! You have to unsubscribe yourself! I may not comment much but I do
enjoy
> this list. I'm going to check out the dvd's tonight or tomorrow.
>
> Loc
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Go to www.yahoogroups.com. They should tell you how there.

Loc

Same way you subscribe

1. thanks
2. same way as i subscribe. great. huge help.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes


> Go to www.yahoogroups.com. They should tell you how there.
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> Loc
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I, to be honest have never like CH's attitude. What's worse is the
narrowminded, negative cast he puts on all his parts - even the religious
ones. Strange how his nihilism appeals to some, but not to myself. You can
be negative, but at the same time show that, after all there is hope so ling
as someone, something lives. Instead, Heston insisted on blowing up the
world. I'm not an optimist - too much has happened in my life to allow that.
No, I prefer to see things as both half full and half empty.

M

> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:30:13 +1000
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [pota] Magazines
>
> The older I get, the more I think Chuck is a wanker.
>
> His views seem narrow and closed minded.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 5:27
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Magazines
>
> In a message dated 4/1/01 3:39:37 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << I think Charlton Heston's real-life political view are abominable >>
>
> I think Chuck rules! And he's right!
> We need guns
> Guns are power
> I for one would love a metal shelled M1 carbine to protect myself from those
> damned dirty apes!
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: 04 April 2001 23:47
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Nearly new member

Hi Steve.  How's the weather over there in merry old England?

The weather is great this morning,nice and sunny.

 Eaten any beef
lately?   LOL!!!  Never stopped matey 

I'm not going to say any more because you'll probably get sick of hearing
from me soon enough.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Yeah someone should shoot Rosie O'Donell - and you'll need to be armed so
I'm jumping ship now.

Chuck, you are a hot babe and you look better with a machine gun!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 8:47
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Magazines

In a message dated 4/4/01 5:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< The older I get, the more I think Chuck is a wanker.

His views seem narrow and closed minded. >>

You Aussies gave up your guns.
Let's see you back up that opinion now!
Just kidding Mike, well a little bit anywho.
But this is Texas! And though we have a lot,
if there's one thing we need more of, it's guns.
If anyone is narrow and close minded it's Rosie O'Donell.
She wanted to send actors dresses as Zira & Conelius to Chucks house!

.html In a message dated 4/4/01 7:08:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Speaking of jokes...

When you say it was just where they were having their debate - imagine if
they chose the Cathedral to debate in....

The would have had a Mass Debate......(now say "Mass Debate" faster)......

Michael (with apologies)

Michael --

Are you a master debater?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 12:58:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Then I guess I'll have to get the DVDs.
Maybe for the new film they'll upgrade them with more extras.

I hope so, T!<.html

.html In a message dated 4/5/01 12:58:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Then I guess I'll have to get the DVDs.
Maybe for the new film they'll upgrade them with more extras.

I hope so, T!

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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I'll tell ya what I want what I really really want...

I've been watching these All Access shows on IFC where they have Tobe Hooper
talking over Chainsaw or Kevin Smith Talking over Clerks. How about a few of
audio tracks like that. Obviously Roddy and Maurice are dead, but there's
plenty on Roddy and they could get Kim and Chuck and whoever and you could
switch back and forth.
I also would like a graphics map of Ape City as it was set up back on the Fox
ranch. And how about an interactive Timeline. Boopers! Lifemasks!
Whatever! Is there any footage of the Blake/Christ auto shows? The beauty
contest?
The old commercials and promos were nice too. What about the Ape-earances on
other shows? Kim on Johnny Carson...Roddy on Carol Bernett? I believe Terry
or someone had extras on his stuff. How about the records? There are so
many books, zines and TV shows the possibilities are endless.

POTA with no limits means sex and violence ? Huh ? Stand the test of time ? For what ? There is often very little truely ADULT in terms of movies when it comes to sex and violence. - Jeff Doten

> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:37:17 EDT
> From: LordTZer0@...
> Subject: Re: Rory's Ramblings
>
> In a message dated 4/4/01 5:45:26 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << As I was getting older I wanted the APES films or whatever to become more
> adult. >>
>
> Yeah, where's the sex and violence of the NC-17 POTA?
> Can you imagin what they could write with no limits?
> That's a POTA that would stand the test of time.

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

The entire makeup test with Eddie Robinson

Complete makeup test of mutants with crazy eyes, and half ape kid
from Beneath

Ship interior opening from Escape

Beaten to death slave open from Conquest

Cut scenes from Battle (or longer version)

Isolated music scores... Audio commentaries from Chuck, John
Chambers, William Creber and anyone else relevant. Collectors edition
of "behind" (apparently a lot of material was trimmed for length)
Restored "Conquest" restored "Battle"

Personally I think the TV shows should be done separately otherwise
it'll be a 9-10 disc set!

Oh yeah... Fox should offer a 75% discount for anyone with proof of
purchase of the previous set (yeah right!)

In a message dated 4/5/01 8:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
dotenj@... writes:

<< There is often very little truely ADULT in terms of movies when it comes
to sex and violence. >>

What are you on about?
They originally wanted the humans naked in the first one. And in the fourth
one they chopped out a lot of it because it was too violent. Not to mention
the selective breeding in both. Aside from all that the dumbing down of what
serious material that was there until it's little more that a Saturday
matinee kiddy serial. Is anyone with me on this one? Or am I off the page?
Too many ape fans have out grown the films.
But maybe you don't feel being locked in with a half naked Linda Harrison is
sexy, or burning upside-down crucifixions is violent, or that nuclear
destruction is adult. I'd say for thirty year old G-rated films they were
trying to be as Adult as they could possibly get! This ain't Poke'mon! I for
one want it to rise above any Ewok Factor that ever creeped in. And I don't
want generation old, G-rated restriction on them.

Anyone remember this?

http://www.wackypacks.net/originals/series11/pictures/planetofthegrapes.jpg

Matt

I'd say for thirty year old G-rated films they were
trying to be as Adult as they could possibly get!

One of my most vivid and early cinema memories was seeing Brent
gunned down. At that point in my life (I'd guess I was about 9-10)
this was the most graphic and bloody death I'd ever seen in a movie
(and this was the hero!) I also remember being quite scared by the
unmasking of the mutants... There was no doubt in my mind then or now
that this was an adult movie.

I got three more Medicoms today. The two Ape-o-nauts and the Greatest Ape
(Lawgiver). These are very nice, but I think the color on the Greatest Ape is
not quite right. It should look more like marble or something.

Still very cool. Now all I need is the Soldier Ape B and I can call it a day
on this line.

Matt

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 12:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Aside from all that the dumbing down of what
serious material that was there until it's little more that a Saturday
matinee kiddy serial.  Is anyone with me on this one?  Or am I off the
page?  
Too many ape fans have out grown the films.
But maybe you don't feel being locked in with a half naked Linda Harrison
is
sexy, or burning upside-down crucifixions is violent, or that nuclear
destruction is adult.  I'd say for thirty year old G-rated films they were
trying to be as Adult as they could possibly get!  This ain't Poke'mon! I
for
one want it to rise above any Ewok Factor that ever creeped in.  And I
don't
want generation old, G-rated restriction on them.

T --

Are you 'aping' me?!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 12:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Aside from all that the dumbing down of what
serious material that was there until it's little more that a Saturday
matinee kiddy serial.  Is anyone with me on this one?  Or am I off the
page?  
Too many ape fans have out grown the films.
But maybe you don't feel being locked in with a half naked Linda Harrison
is
sexy, or burning upside-down crucifixions is violent, or that nuclear
destruction is adult.  I'd say for thirty year old G-rated films they were
trying to be as Adult as they could possibly get!  This ain't Poke'mon! I
for
one want it to rise above any Ewok Factor that ever creeped in.  And I
don't
want generation old, G-rated restriction on them.

T --

Are you 'aping' me?!!!

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/5/01 11:35:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
dballard@... writes:

<< At that point in my life (I'd guess I was about 9-10)
this was the most graphic and bloody death I'd ever seen in a movie
(and this was the hero!) >>

I know what you mean. I had seen Bonnie and Clyde (rated R) the year before
the first film when I was six, but that didn't effect me as deeply as Zira
getting gunned down in Escape when I was ten.

I was at Hobby Lobby getting a frame for my Kim Hunter caricature from Sardis
when what did I see? The Aurora re-release of the Adair POTA kits for ten
bucks.
I had to snap one of those up!

Maybe I should have said - DUMB and GRAPHIC. And Harrison is very
sexy. Lock me up now. Please. Anyways, I was taking you to mean - we
should pander the 20 year old males, which is something we're already
anxious about with the new movie. - Jeff Doten

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/5/01 8:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
> dotenj@c... writes:
>
> << There is often very little truely ADULT in terms of movies when
it comes
> to sex and violence. >>
>
> What are you on about?
> They originally wanted the humans naked in the first one. And in
the fourth
> one they chopped out a lot of it because it was too violent. Not
to mention
> the selective breeding in both. Aside from all that the dumbing
down of what
> serious material that was there until it's little more that a
Saturday
> matinee kiddy serial. Is anyone with me on this one? Or am I off
the page?
> Too many ape fans have out grown the films.
> But maybe you don't feel being locked in with a half naked Linda
Harrison is
> sexy, or burning upside-down crucifixions is violent, or that
nuclear
> destruction is adult. I'd say for thirty year old G-rated films
they were
> trying to be as Adult as they could possibly get! This ain't
Poke'mon! I for
> one want it to rise above any Ewok Factor that ever creeped in.
And I don't
> want generation old, G-rated restriction on them.

I'm with ya!

I revered these movies as a child, but when I watch them now I wish they
were more adult (and accurate).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2001 1:25
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] sex and violence ?

In a message dated 4/5/01 8:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
dotenj@... writes:

<< There is often very little truely ADULT in terms of movies when it comes
to sex and violence. >>

What are you on about?
They originally wanted the humans naked in the first one. And in the fourth
one they chopped out a lot of it because it was too violent. Not to mention
the selective breeding in both. Aside from all that the dumbing down of
what
serious material that was there until it's little more that a Saturday
matinee kiddy serial. Is anyone with me on this one? Or am I off the page?
Too many ape fans have out grown the films.
But maybe you don't feel being locked in with a half naked Linda Harrison is
sexy, or burning upside-down crucifixions is violent, or that nuclear
destruction is adult. I'd say for thirty year old G-rated films they were
trying to be as Adult as they could possibly get! This ain't Poke'mon! I
for
one want it to rise above any Ewok Factor that ever creeped in. And I don't
want generation old, G-rated restriction on them.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 8:32:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

OK, I have found someone in Fox who wants to know what the true fans would
want to put on a re-release of the box set as extras.

OK, Michael!!!   What I'd like to see is mostly limited to the original film
(Does this surprise anyone?).

First, I'd like to see a remastered, anamorphic film transfer, then I'd like
to see them revisit the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack they created and
directionalize the dialogue, add some surround ambience, and boost the bass.

As far as a commentary track, well, has anyone heard Charlton Heston's for
"Ben-Hur" just released on DVD a few weeks ago.  Not exactly great.   I'd be
more interested in hearing what Mort Abrahams has to say.  He seemed to know
what he was talking about in the "BeHind" documentary.  I'd also like the
score to be on an isolated track, especially so I can hear the unedited
'Crash Landing' cue as I watch the film.  Of course, I'd also love it if they
could get some comments about the score from Jerry Goldsmith and what it was
like collabrating with Franklin J. Schaffner.

After that the complete test film with Edward G. Robinson is a must, as is
the 1968 featurette about the creating of the makeup.

And something else I'd really love to see is a massive gallery of
behind-the-scenes photos.

There was also a scene shot of Zira and Lucius being stopped by gorillas as
they leave Ape City with Taylor.  That would be nice to see if it still
exists.

A boxed set that includes all this, plus the sequels, the TV show, and the
cartoon series would be fantastic.  The Planet of the Apes Omnibus.

I hope Fox is really considering something like this.

-- Rory<.html

What about the Nova pregnancy scene?

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 6:39:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

What about the Nova pregnancy scene?

Matt

Hey Matt,

You know, I'm not sure that was shot.  I know there are stills from it, but I
think I read somewhere Linda Harrison saying that they never actually filmed
it, just rehearsed it.  BUT I could be wrong.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/5/01 2:04:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Are you 'aping' me?!!! >>

No, Rory.
And I'm not saying it has to be a sex and gore fest either.
I just want to say once again that Apes, one of the finest movies ever made.
And not get a laugh. Not to say I don't enjoy the purile, but mature subject
matter is fun too and it gets more respect as an art form.

In a message dated 4/5/01 2:04:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Are you 'aping' me?!!! >>

No, Rory.
And I'm not saying it has to be a sex and gore fest either.
I just want to say once again that Apes, one of the finest movies ever made.
And not get a laugh. Not to say I don't enjoy the purile, but mature subject
matter is fun too and it gets more respect as an art form.

Mluder or whoever the moderator of the pota group is. I forgot my id and
password, and I want to UNSUBSCRIBE RIGHT NOW! how can i do this easily
without said information?

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2


> What about the Nova pregnancy scene?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 8:01:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

I just want to say once again that Apes, one of the finest movies ever made.
And not get a laugh.  Not to say I don't enjoy the purile, but mature
subject
matter is fun too and it gets more respect as an art form.  

T --

Thanks for the item you posted earlier about Roddy McDowall.   That sure was
information new to me.   I got a real good laugh out of it.  Very funny.

And about what you said about seeing ESCAPE when you were ten.
I guess we're about the same age.  I remember being really shocked by the
shotgun killing scene in "Bullitt."   That was late '68,  I was just nine
then.   My father took me to that one.  He also took me around that same time
to see this film called "Last Summer."  That was an interesting movie for a
nine or ten year old to see.
Anyway.... when I first saw ESCAPE, man I cried at the end.

Now, I'm not sure what the point of this is.   T, what's the point again?

Anyway, I see that poor Harrison guy is still trying to unsubscribe himself.  
 I'm still laughing over that, too!

-- Rory   <.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:01 PM

Subject: [pota] Unsubscribing PETE

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

 

You don't need your ID Pete.

Just click on unsubscribe and the egroup does the rest.

 

Best,

 

Alex

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlHey Alex,

You think Pete's figured it out?

By the way, did you see my post about the two shots on the BENEATH and
CONQUEST DVD's?   Do you have the DVD's and are you able to capture images
from them and post them on your site?

Also, how's that interview with Linda Harrison coming?

Hey, I wonder if Pete Harrison is related to Linda Harrison?  Probably not.

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:21 PM

Subject: [pota] Helpful Alex.

Hey Alex,

You think Pete's figured it out?

By the way, did you see my post about the two shots on the BENEATH and
CONQUEST DVD's?   Do you have the DVD's and are you able to capture images
from them and post them on your site?

Also, how's that interview with Linda Harrison coming?

Hey, I wonder if Pete Harrison is related to Linda Harrison?  Probably not.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Good point about the photo gallery Rory. The ones in the first DVD set
are very lame. Heston catching a frisbee? C'mon!!! Now Linda catching a
frisbee. That's something I'd like to see. And what about just a collection
of raw, uncut footage? Bloopers? Get on the stick, Fox!! Go Apes, John

Just got the April issue of Total Film. Has Julia Roberts on the cover.
They have a summer blockbuster preview. Big 2 page spread on the new film.
Has a little mini interview with, as Patsy Stone would say, Helena Bloody
Bonham Carter. Good last question: Any advantages to all that makeup? HBBC:
"Oh it's a real liberation - if you've got a mask, it's a sort of license to
completely misbehave. Because apes are much more tactile, I can get away with
feeling people up, and being really naughty." Not clear if that's something
in the film, or Helena just having fun between takes. We'll just have to wait
and see........ John

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 10:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pasta2@... writes:

hey rory, think you're a smart ass?

Oh, no!   It's deja vu all over again.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 10:43:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    Good point about the photo gallery Rory. The ones in the first DVD set
are very lame. Heston catching a frisbee? C'mon!!! Now Linda catching a
frisbee. That's something I'd like to see. And what about just a collection
of raw, uncut footage? Bloopers? Get on the stick, Fox!!       Go Apes,  
John

Hey John,

You live on Long Island, right?  That's where I lived when a kid in the
Sixties.  I saw PLANET for the first time at the Wantagh Theatre, the second
time at the Levittown Theatre, the third time at the Lynbrook Theatre....   
Well, you get the idea.

I liked your post about visiting Amok Time in Levittown.  I've gotten many of
my Medicoms from there.

Take care,

Rory the wise ass.<.html

You guys have aped me out dont send me any more info thanks

You are correct sir. Still on LI. Saw POTA the first time at the New
Hyde Park theatre in '73. Then at the Jerry Lewis Cinema in East Meadow in
the late seventies. Next time on the big screen was at the Beehive Theatre in
Pittsburgh, PA. Funky place, combination coffee house & revival theatre. Then
it was on to Montreal in November '99 for the Ape-O-Thon. Last time I saw it
on the big screen was at the Screening Room in NYC in Feb 2000. Located down
on Varick St. Combination bar/restaurant/theatre. Sat two seats away from
Susan Sarandon. She was there with one of her kids. She's one fine lookin'
woman. Let's see, only 5 times on the big screen? Hell, I'd better get to it.
The Hunt continues. Take care you wise ass, John

.htmlIn a message dated 4/5/01 11:07:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

. Last time I saw it
on the big screen was at the Screening Room in NYC in Feb 2000. Located
down
on Varick St. Combination bar/restaurant/theatre. Sat two seats away from
Susan Sarandon. She was there with one of her kids. She's one fine lookin'
woman. Let's see, only 5 times on the big screen? Hell, I'd better get to
it.
The Hunt continues.  Take care you wise ass, John

Wow!   Now I'm speechless.  Susan Sarandon watching PLANET OF THE APES.  
Toucha, toucha, toucha, touch me!

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/5/01 9:01:10 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Now, I'm not sure what the point of this is. T, what's the point again?

>>

Yeah that gangster stuff never bothered me, but Escape was like Bambi, all
over only multiplied. The point . . . The point was, I believe, someone said
there wasn't anything adult about apes flicks, and my point was . . . for a
bunch of thirty year old G movies, you couldn't get much more adult. Chuck's
butt, Linda's boobs poppin' out all over the screen, gun totin' go-rillies,
And the first time the GD word was ever used on film. For my money they were
pushing the envelope. You'd never get all that adult stuff in a G film
today. No way. No how.

In a message dated 4/5/01 9:54:26 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Hey John, You live on Long Island, right? >>

I may have mentioned this before, but Stuttering John Melendez, who also
lives there, is a huge Apes fan.

If Fox can be convinced to release a second DVD set, I would highly
recommend that they
consider releasing the TV series and the Cartoon Show on a separate
collection. As far
as the movies, most of the stuff mentioned would be great...

Makeup test (complete), deleted scenes, perhaps even longer interviews with
some of the stars such as Heston, Linda Harrison, etc.

Are you forwarding our messages to Fox, are is there an e-mail address where we
should voice our support for this?





Les Rayburn, N1LF
4919 Cox Cove
Helena, AL 35080
XMGR 184.8988khz WOLF Mode
1LF 187.300khz

Looking for a challenge? Try the ultimate weak signal mode, on 1750 Meters!
Visit the Noise Floor!
http://www.highnoonfilm.com/xmgr

Ummmm.......did you read Pete Harrison's e-mails?

You got yourself into this mess, now you can get yourself out, OK?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: gingin922@... [gingin922@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2001 12:56
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2

You guys have aped me out dont send me any more info thanks

OK,

Good response so far but now we need to get REALLY specific to tell them
exactly what scenes we know/think exist.

Let me begin:

Planet:

Scene where Lucius and Zira are stopped;
Nova Pregnant

Beneath:

Longer Sauna dialogue;

Escape:

Scena at the beginning with Astro Apes/Earth being destroyed;

Conquest:

Ape being gunned down at beginning

Battle:

Aldo on the School Bus

I don't want to submit something amateur! I need more submissions then I'll
put it all together and email a final submission for comment/approval.

Anyone know of any other adverts?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Rayburn [les@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2001 16:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] DVD Set 2


If Fox can be convinced to release a second DVD set, I would highly
recommend that they
consider releasing the TV series and the Cartoon Show on a separate
collection. As far
as the movies, most of the stuff mentioned would be great...

Makeup test (complete), deleted scenes, perhaps even longer interviews with
some of the stars such as Heston, Linda Harrison, etc.

Are you forwarding our messages to Fox, are is there an e-mail address where
we
should voice our support for this?





Les Rayburn, N1LF
4919 Cox Cove
Helena, AL 35080
XMGR 184.8988khz WOLF Mode
1LF 187.300khz

Looking for a challenge? Try the ultimate weak signal mode, on 1750 Meters!
Visit the Noise Floor!
http://www.highnoonfilm.com/xmgr

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 12:52:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

The point was, I believe, someone said
there wasn't anything adult about apes flicks, and my point was . . . for a
bunch of thirty year old G movies, you couldn't get much more adult.  

T,

I might have been the one who said that, but what I meant was that the
original is of course a film meant for adults, BENEATH panders to a younger
audience but is still meant in some ways to be taken seriously, as is ESCAPE
and CONQUEST, the latter especially in its original form, BUT..... then you
get to BATTLE and beyond and the filmmakers just gave up.   After that APES
was for kids and for many years it damaged the reputation of the excellent
first film.
The good news is that now I think the original is again getting the respect
it deserves.

-- Rory

-- Rory<.html

.htmlMichael --

I don't want to be negative here (I really, really don't!!), but I've talked
to someone who dealt with the producers of the BEHIND THE PLANET OF THE APES
documentary, and I was told that pretty much all they could find in Fox's
vaults wound up in that production.  So, I don't know if it's really wise to
get our hopes up that these lost scenes from the original APES films survive.

Do you know something I don't?  Did this guy from Fox hint that there is such
stuff?  It would be nice.

I also know that scenes where shot for PLANET involving the astronauts using
a rope to get down from some mesa, and other bits of business, and that
there's a scene of Heston swimming across the lake in front of ape city and
having a little gorilla boy throw rocks at him that was shot for the escape
sequence, but cut for length.

However, I think it would be a miracle if this stuff survives.

Maybe Jeff Krueger will check in this weekend with some input.

But, Michael, I guess it can't hurt to let this guy from Fox know what's
wanted.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlHey Jeff --

Okay, as I can see here, somebody at Fox is interesting in knowing what the
'true' fans would like to see in a re-mastered boxed set of DVDs.

Any thoughts from out there in L.A.?   Do you have any idea about the
possibilities of lost scenes still existing?

By the way, has Lou Wagner got his Medicom of himself yet?

-- Rory<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:

> Just when you thought you've figured it out, you only find out that

it's just the tip of the iceberg...

As part of the group that laughed at the "twist" in Sixth Sense (as
well as anyone who didn't see it coming), I really hope H'wood
doesn't give us a twist we see coming a mile away, again. Then
again, most people loved Sixth Sense, and saw it twice just to see
how they missed that "twist". Blah.

Fight Club, on the other hand . . .

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> What about the Nova pregnancy scene?
>
> Matt

Maybe as a deleted scene, but I agreed with their decision to cut it
from the film.

--- In pota@y..., gingin922@a... wrote:

> You guys have aped me out dont send me any more info thanks

How do you guys manage to get yourselves ON the frigging list?


Jonesin' for personal accountability -

Phil

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> I've talked
> to someone who dealt with the producers of the BEHIND THE PLANET OF

THE APES

> documentary, and I was told that pretty much all they could find in

Fox's

> vaults wound up in that production.

May have been HIGHLIGHTED, but how about the WHOLE test makeup
scene? If I have it on tape, and they obviously have a cleaner
version that they showed pieces of, putting the whole thing on a disc
should be easy.

And so the wave begins:

LIFESIZE ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES .. APE Item #1422109594
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1422109594&r=0
I'll bet we see more from folks like this who have been purchasing APE
parts from us over the past few years. Now's the time to start cashing
in on ALL THINGS APE!

It's neat to see how fans create displays from our items. It'll be
interesting to see how this guy's auction does, although I think his
"Buy it now" price will scare away bidders at first. We'll see...

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
<http://www.apemania.com>

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 10:54:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

Maybe as a deleted scene, but I agreed with their decision to cut it
from the film.

I agree, Phil.  It was right to cut it out.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 11:08:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I've talked
> to someone who dealt with the producers of the BEHIND THE PLANET OF
THE APES
> documentary, and I was told that pretty much all they could find in
Fox's
> vaults wound up in that production.  

May have been HIGHLIGHTED, but how about the WHOLE test makeup
scene?  If I have it on tape, and they obviously have a cleaner
version that they showed pieces of, putting the whole thing on a disc
should be easy.

Oh, I think I called for the complete test film before.  I have it on tape,
too, but the print used in the documentary was excellent.  For those who
don't know, the test film begins with conceptual sketches Jabobs had done by
artists, is narrated by someone who tells you about the 'proposed' film, and
is scored by music from the "Lost in Space" TV show.  It's pretty cool, and
should have been included on the present DVD boxed set.

I think it was included in a Japanese laserdisc boxed set that also included
the longer version of BATTLE.

-- Rory<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:

> I need an opinion from all of you...
>
> I want to add a second movie to my site, but before I go all the

way with Gladiator I may change it to something else.

>
> The choice:
>
> The Matrix or Terminator

C: Phantom of the Paradise

OR

D: Bugsy Malone!

Go 70s -

Phil

Sorry for the wisecracks, but I honestly think any of these films
you've mentioned are comvered amply on the net. What's cool about
your apes site is that there's nothing nearly as comprehensive about
POTA online. Any other options? Something maybe not really
represented well online?

--- In pota@y..., "Phil " <pjn1209@e...> wrote:
> --- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:
> > I need an opinion from all of you...
> >
> > I want to add a second movie to my site, but before I go all the
> way with Gladiator I may change it to something else.
> >
> > The choice:
> >
> > The Matrix or Terminator
>
> C: Phantom of the Paradise
>
> OR
>
> D: Bugsy Malone!
>
> Go 70s -
>
> Phil

.html APE CITY NEWS FLASH:

The new POTA trailer will debut APE-RIL 20th and be 2 minutes in length.  Oh JOY!!!

Thought you's all like to know.

Brian
And speaking of the 20th:

Come meet the cast of APEMANIA at the
Las Vegas Halloween Show,
Ape-ril 20-22, 2001 @
The Rivera Hotel & Casino

<.html

.html <.html

I'm going to cover lots of stuff that's probably already been said, but I
thought it'd help to have them all together. I'm sure someone would correct
me if I'm wrong or missed stuff:

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>Good response so far but now we need to get REALLY specific to tell them
>exactly what scenes we know/think exist.
>
>Let me begin:
>
>Planet:
>
>Scene where Lucius and Zira are stopped;
>Nova Pregnant

Nova's pregnancy was filmed, according to the Inkworks cards.
Full Edward Robinson make-up test.
Extra scenes of Heston chase
Dialogue from Heston about the missing link between man and ape

>Beneath:
>
>Longer Sauna dialogue;

Make-up tests - especially the child
Any extra footage involving the mutant society - e.g. the children playing -
I'm sure this was intended to be in the original version but ended up only
being visible in one of the mutant projections on the wall when Brent is
interogated
Extra snippets of Ursus' speech

>Escape:
>
>Scena at the beginning with Astro Apes/Earth being destroyed;
>
>Conquest:
>
>Ape being gunned down at beginning

Missing scenes of violence / original ending
Breck threatening a gorilla while a soldier holds him (does this exist, or
is only in stills?)
Breck's death (was this shot?)

>Battle:
>
>Aldo on the School Bus

Extra scenes from teacher chase
Entire bomb subplot (at least we know this exists!)


Commentaries I'd like:
Goldsmith, Rosenman & Scott (I'm a fan of the music)
J. Lee Thompson (the most obvious choice, surely)
Kim Hunter

There are others too, but people like Heston, Abrahams, Creber, Chambers
etc. would be great but would probably be repeating a lot of the
documentary. Perhaps an audio commentary combining snippets from all of
these people along with the various other less famous actors and crew.

TV series and cartoon I agree would be best left for a separate release...
although from a sales perspective perhaps including them on a couple of
extra disks with this set would be better.

And of course it goes without saying - remastered soundtrack, Behind
documentary, cinema trailers, adverts, Oscar presentation, perhaps a spoof
or two (Fox do own the Simpsons after all...), etc.

So Michael, have you really been in contact with someone at Fox or is this
just a con to get us all talking about fun things again? :-)

The thing is, Fox probably wouldn't be prepared to put all the effort into
it... little do they know that they've got a dedicated group of fans here
who would do it for nothing!

I'm annoyed, I'm sure there is lots I'm forgetting...

Alan

Attachments :

Rory wrote:

>This is the scene where Lisa leaves the bookstore and stops and looks back

at

>Caesar. As you step forward you'll see coming into the frame from the

right

>a gorilla extra just leaning up against a wall behind Natalie Trundy (Lisa)
>and just watching the scene being shot. I guess he had no work to do at

the

>moment.

DVD? Who needs it! Check out the attached Conquest still and close-up.

Alan

In a message dated 4/6/01 9:29:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< and saw it twice just to see
how they missed that "twist". Blah. >>

I don't see how they missed seeing that one coming.
It wasn't exactly The Usual Suspect.

In a message dated 4/6/01 9:29:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< Fight Club, on the other hand . . . >>

Fight Club on the other had sucked even worse.
It's like they just tacked that ending on and rubbed our faces in it.
I hadn't felt so ripped off since Jacobs Ladder!

In a message dated 4/6/01 10:01:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< How do you guys manage to get yourselves ON the frigging list? >>

You go that right!
Why do people join in the first place if they don't wanna talk Apes?
I'm still on the Buckaroo Banzai list, but since the tv show ended up in
development hell I don't read the post much any more. Apes is one of the
highlights of my day!
But has anyone else noticed the lack of production news in this news group?
Have they muzzled the crew like bad humans? Or I'm I in the cone of silence?

WTF?
What is with the stupid zips?
I don't know where that come from or where they go.
I know they're open, it says so, but I don't see a thing.
Why do people have to send zips anyway?
Why the hell can they send a gif or a jpeg so we can all see?

Matrix