And don't forget cages, leather collars & leashes, whips, clubs &
muzzles. Lots of S&M for a G rated flick. J.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 5:37:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

WTF?
What is with the stupid zips?
I don't know where that come from or where they go.
I know they're open, it says so, but I don't see a thing.
Why do people have to send zips anyway?
Why the hell can they send a gif or a jpeg so we can all see?

I'm with you, T.  I think I have dozens of these things just taking up space
in my computer.  Now I mostly don't open them.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 5:13:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

But has anyone else noticed the lack of production news in this news group?
Have they muzzled the crew like bad humans? Or I'm I in the cone of silence?

I think the production is in the boring phase now of doing the CGI work, and
editing.  I wonder if Danny Elfman begun writing the score?

-- Rory<.html

Alex, I cast my vote for Terminator. I thought the beginning and end of
The Matrix were great. But I found the middle to be somewhat boring.
Terminator the film is like the Terminator itself. It never stops, it is
completely relentless. I'd recommend that you get the new issue of Total
Film. I posted about it last night b/c of the summer preview bit w/POTA. It
also has a kick ass article on the making T1. Check it out. John

Thanks Brian. J.

In a message dated 4/6/01 5:11:53 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I think I have dozens of these things just taking up space
in my computer. Now I mostly don't open them. >>

I think I figured them out.
People are giving the zip file a different name from the pic. Instead of the
thing opening it just goes to you files and sits there. The only thing I
could figure is to reopen the file and give it the same name or a name that's
easy to remember so you can find the thing when it jumps into the files.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 6:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

   And don't forget cages, leather collars & leashes, whips, clubs &
muzzles. Lots of S&M for a G rated flick.      J.

Has anyone ever noticed how much gunfire is in the POTA films?  Put together
just the clips of guns going off and people being shot, including one baby
chimp, in all the films and TV show, and I think you'd have a hit at the next
NRA convention.  Probably make ol' Chuck cry.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/6/01 5:11:53 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I think I have dozens of these things just taking up space in my
computer. >>

Word up!
I think it may be about time for some spring cleaning on the old hard drive.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 6:20:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Word up!
I think it may be about time for some spring cleaning on the old hard drive.

I think you're right, T.<.html

.htmlHey Alan --

I finally got from eBay the British VHS release of POTA from 1995 with the
British POTA poster art reproduced on the cover.   I got the cassette in a
clear plastic case with the cover in a sleeve.  Is this what you have as
well, or was the tape also sold in just a regular box.

By the way, POTA fans, the British "quad" poster for PLANET is beautiful.  I
wish I owned it, but this is the subject of my next posting.

-- Rory<.html

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Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>I finally got from eBay the British VHS release of POTA from 1995 with the
>British POTA poster art reproduced on the cover. I got the cassette in a
>clear plastic case with the cover in a sleeve. Is this what you have as
>well, or was the tape also sold in just a regular box.

I'm not sure what you mean - a clear plastic case *is* a regular box, isn't
it? Or am I missing something with regard to how videos are packaged in the
US? It was certainly sold in one of these clear cases anyway, to answer your
question.

>By the way, POTA fans, the British "quad" poster for PLANET is beautiful.

I

>wish I owned it, but this is the subject of my next posting.

Let's hear it then!

Alan

Hi Alan

Yes I do have the ear of someone in Fox, but they are tired of fans just
saying "you guys suk - you don't listen to what we want", but never actually
saying what they do want!

It makes sense to back up a request for improvement with suggestions of how
to make it happen.

Rory, there may or may not be the originals we are looking for, but when we
have a comprehensive list we can get some answers about and is not
available/was or was not filmed. If there are sequences that were not fully
filmed, then we could suggest a gathering of all photographs with commentary
or something. The claim that everything that is out there was used on the
Behind documentary is false - did they use the "Battle" scenes we all know
exist? There is unquestionably more out there - even possibly some things
amongst Natalie's vaults (Jeff, did you find any POTA stuff?).

I am also going to attempt to write an article on Planet of the Apes
Rarities which will compile comprehensively a list of what is out there (and
I will include rare comic books, toys etc).

As I always say, when you know what is out there you can begin the search.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2001 5:58
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set 2

I'm going to cover lots of stuff that's probably already been said, but I
thought it'd help to have them all together. I'm sure someone would correct
me if I'm wrong or missed stuff:

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>Good response so far but now we need to get REALLY specific to tell them
>exactly what scenes we know/think exist.
>
>Let me begin:
>
>Planet:
>
>Scene where Lucius and Zira are stopped;
>Nova Pregnant

Nova's pregnancy was filmed, according to the Inkworks cards.
Full Edward Robinson make-up test.
Extra scenes of Heston chase
Dialogue from Heston about the missing link between man and ape

>Beneath:
>
>Longer Sauna dialogue;

Make-up tests - especially the child
Any extra footage involving the mutant society - e.g. the children playing -
I'm sure this was intended to be in the original version but ended up only
being visible in one of the mutant projections on the wall when Brent is
interogated
Extra snippets of Ursus' speech

>Escape:
>
>Scena at the beginning with Astro Apes/Earth being destroyed;
>
>Conquest:
>
>Ape being gunned down at beginning

Missing scenes of violence / original ending
Breck threatening a gorilla while a soldier holds him (does this exist, or
is only in stills?)
Breck's death (was this shot?)

>Battle:
>
>Aldo on the School Bus

Extra scenes from teacher chase
Entire bomb subplot (at least we know this exists!)


Commentaries I'd like:
Goldsmith, Rosenman & Scott (I'm a fan of the music)
J. Lee Thompson (the most obvious choice, surely)
Kim Hunter

There are others too, but people like Heston, Abrahams, Creber, Chambers
etc. would be great but would probably be repeating a lot of the
documentary. Perhaps an audio commentary combining snippets from all of
these people along with the various other less famous actors and crew.

TV series and cartoon I agree would be best left for a separate release...
although from a sales perspective perhaps including them on a couple of
extra disks with this set would be better.

And of course it goes without saying - remastered soundtrack, Behind
documentary, cinema trailers, adverts, Oscar presentation, perhaps a spoof
or two (Fox do own the Simpsons after all...), etc.

So Michael, have you really been in contact with someone at Fox or is this
just a con to get us all talking about fun things again? :-)

The thing is, Fox probably wouldn't be prepared to put all the effort into
it... little do they know that they've got a dedicated group of fans here
who would do it for nothing!

I'm annoyed, I'm sure there is lots I'm forgetting...

Alan

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

>People are giving the zip file a different name from the pic. Instead of

the

>thing opening it just goes to you files and sits there. The only thing I
>could figure is to reopen the file and give it the same name or a name

that's

>easy to remember so you can find the thing when it jumps into the files.

What's all this about zip files? I think I missed something!

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>Oh, I think I called for the complete test film before. I have it on tape,
>too, but the print used in the documentary was excellent. For those who
>don't know, the test film begins with conceptual sketches Jabobs had done

by

>artists,

Argh! I knew I forgot something. Even more than a still gallery (most pics
are available elsewhere anyway) I'd love to see all the production art and
conceptual illustrations in one package. That would make a terrific extra on
a DVD release.

Alan

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 7:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

I'm not sure what you mean - a clear plastic case *is* a regular box, isn't
it? Or am I missing something with regard to how videos are packaged in the
US? It was certainly sold in one of these clear cases anyway, to answer your
question.

Thanks for the prompt reply, Alan.   How's things there?  Warming up any?

Most VHS videos in the states are just sold in cardboard boxes.  Some are in
plastic cases, but usually not clear.

So, I guess I got what I was supposed to.  It's a nice cover, better than the
American versions in many ways.

I'm in the process of writing about POTA movie posters, so keep your kilt on,
laddy.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 7:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Rory, there may or may not be the originals we are looking for, but when we
have a comprehensive list we can get some answers about and is not
available/was or was not filmed.  If there are sequences that were not fully
filmed, then we could suggest a gathering of all photographs with commentary
or something.  The claim that everything that is out there was used on the
Behind documentary is false - did they use the "Battle" scenes we all know
exist?  There is unquestionably more out there - even possibly some things
amongst Natalie's vaults (Jeff, did you find any POTA stuff?).

Michael --

I just don't want everybody to get there hopes up, but that doesn't mean you
should stop what you're trying to do.

Of course, good luck.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlI don't know why I haven't brought this up before, but perhaps this is a
topic that'll make for some interesting back and forth.

Does anyone out there collect original APES movie theatre posters, lobby
cards and stills?

I starting collecting these items back in the early Seventies.  The first
poster I ever bought was a three-sheet from PLANET.

Oh, maybe I better explain poster sizes for those who don't know.

All these are in inches (Sorry about that metric people.).

One-sheet poster, 27"X41"   This is the most common American poster, and
until recently they were always folded.  Now they are rolled.

Half-sheet poster, 28"X22"  Half the size of a one-sheet and printed on card
stock.

Insert card, 14"X36"  A vertical poster on card stock.

Three-sheet poster, 41"X81"  Three times the size of the one-sheet, it's a
vertical poster that used to often come folded in two or three pieces.  They
were made mostly for bigger theatres or drive-ins were they could be seen
from a distance.

Six-sheet poster, 81"x 81"  This is a square poster that is assembled from
four pieces.  Often they would go on the sides of buildings.

Window card, 14"x22"  These small posters were tacked on telephone poles or
placed in store windows.  The top quarter was left blank so the Theatre name
and play dates could be written there.

Lobby cards, 11"x14"  These are printed on card stock and usually come eight
to a set in the US.  In other countries though they will vary in size and
number per set.

British quad poster, 40"x30"  This poster is the standard British size, an
oblong image.

So anyway.....

The first poster I got was a three-sheet from PLANET from a mail order place.
 I think this was around 1972, and the poster cost $15.00.  Now, a
three-sheet from PLANET can cost close to a thousand, especially if
linen-backed.   This is something that's become very popular with poster
collectors -- linen-backing.  The poster is soaked in water, then glued with
paste to a heavy linen backing, sort of like canvas.  This is pressed and
dried and a poster that was folded is now flat.  Also, posters that are torn
or have pieces missing can be repaired and restored once linen-backed.

The PLANET three-sheet I bought in 1972 I hung and moved around so much, I
ended up destroying it.  So, a year ago I found a place in New York that had
a PLANET three-sheet, linen-backed and in very good condition for $950.   I
bought it.  Across the top of this poster it says:  Man...hunted...caged...
forced to mate by civilized apes!  And below that are colored pictures of
Taylor, Nova and Dr. Zaius.  Below that is the image of the cage with a
banner across it with the movie title.  Also on the poster is the image of
the two gorillas holding down and muzzling Taylor during the trial scene.

I have four original PLANET one-sheets in varying degrees of quality.  Two
are linen-backed, one is waiting to be and has a piece of the white border
missing that will have to be replaced after linen-backing, and the other is
one I had as a kid and foolishly had mounted to foamcore, which cuts down its
worth.  The shop that mounted it way back in the Seventies also trimmed the
border.  I could have killed them, but I was just a kid.  That is the PLANET
one-sheet I have framed on the wall.

I first paid $15 for one back in '74, now an original PLANET one-sheet goes
for $350 or more, especially if you're trying to get it off eBay and it's
mint.  Some find the PLANET one-sheet to be boring, with just the image of
the cage and a black and white photo of Dr. Zaius against a orange and yellow
background.  But I think it's very striking, and I love what's written on
top:  Somewhere in the Universe there must be Something better than Man.  In
a matter of time, an astronaut will wing through the centuries and find the
answer.  He may find the most terrifying one of all on the planet where apes
are the rulers and man the beast.

I have a half-sheet from PLANET.  This is a rare one and is very nice.  I
like it a lot.  It has color pictures of Taylor, Marcus (The gorilla head of
Security Police), Nova, and Dr. Zaius on it against a glossy white
background.  On the left is written:  An unusual and important motion picture
from the pen of Pierre Boulle author of "Bridge on the River Kwai"!   There's
also the gorillas holding Taylor image next to the title logo PLANET OF THE
APES.  It's a cool poster.

Oh, another poster I have that I forgot about is the banner.  This is a heavy
card stock poster that measures 24"x82".  It's mostly just the POTA title
logo against an orange DA-GLO background, but on the left is the image of Dr.
Zauis, and the gorillas holding Taylor tinted yellow.  It's an okay thing to
have.  I had to have it and paid $500 for it.

The poster I paid the most for is a linen-back PLANET six-sheet.  I had to
pay $1200 for that.  It's a poster that's 81"x81" and is too big to display.  
It's rolled up in a big, heavy mailing tube, and let's just say I bought it
for investment purposes -- one of the reasons I hope the new film is a hit
and creates lots of new POTA fans.

Another set of posters created for PLANET are four door panels.  These
posters measure 20"x60" and were literally meant to go on doors in theatre
lobbies.  These are the rarest of PLANET's posters.  The four are portraits
of Marcus, Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zira and Taylor.  Each has it's own copy.  For
instance, Dr. Zaius' says:  This is Dr. Zaius.  Brilliant scientist.  Eminent
theologian.  He warns: beware of man the beast.  Hunt him down.  Cage him.  
For man is a threat to civilization on the Planet of the Apes.

I don't have these posters, which are black and white images with red type,
but a pair of them, Dr. Zaius and Taylor, where auctioned on eBay last Labor
Day weekend and sold for over $1000.00 each!  I know because I bid $2000.00
for the pair -- and lost!

I don't feel too bad though because I have a pair of one-sheet size posters
that I suspect are even rarer.  These are door-panel like posters for Marcus
and Taylor except that on the bottom they each have written "Starts Wednesday
April 3rd at a theater near you"
This refers to April 3rd 1968, the day PLANET opened wide in the New York
City area and beyond.  The next day on April 4th, Martin Luther King was
killed.  I think these posters were meant to be displayed in the subway or at
bus stops.  Anyway, I bought them at a poster gallery on Long Island in the
mid-Seventies and paid $17 each for them.  I remember my father thought me
crazy at the time.  I don't know how much they're worth now.

I also have the French PLANET poster, "La Planete des singes."  This poster
is 47"x64" and it's art was used for the cover of the PLANET CD for Varese
Sarabande.   This is the only foreign PLANET poster I have or want.

I also have a set of 11"x14" lobby cards from PLANET, as well as 8"x10" color
stills (same images as the lobbies).  I have sets of these from each of the
five films.

I have a set of French lobby cards from PLANET, too.  They are slightly
smaller than the US lobbies, but I think the images are better.

As far as the sequels go... I have one-sheets from each, and half-sheets from
BENEATH and ESCAPE.  I really like the half-sheet from ESCAPE.

Oh, I also have a 14"x36" Insert poster from PLANET.  It has images of Dr.
Zaius, Marcus, and Taylor on it, but Nova is featured more prominently above
them on this one.

There is also the PLANET British quad.  This is a poster I wish I had.  Joe
Russo, a major movie poster collector and who has the "Making of POTA" book
coming out soon, has this one and says it's beautiful.  It can be found in
the book "Film Posters of the Sixties" by Tony Nourmand and Graham Marsh,
along with  a picture of the French poster and a really weird Polish poster.  
The British quad is styled after the American half-sheet, only the images of
Taylor, Marcus, Nova and Dr. Zaius aren't just colored photos as on the US
half-sheet, but great looking paintings.  This is the reason I wanted the
British PLANET video, not for the tape, but for the box!  It reproduces
images from this poster.

Oh, I also have some re-issue posters, one for a double feature of PLANET and
BENEATH, and the other the GO APE! poster I'm sure most of you know.

I also have pressbooks to all five films.  These feature the ads used in
newspapers to sell the movies.

And finally, I just got today a one-sheet size 1968 Lawgiver poster from
Australia.  Got that one on eBay.   I'm sorry but at the moment I forget who
it was in this group who also just got one of these.  I think it was Micheal
Whitty, but maybe it was Ken Taylor.  I'm sure I'll hear from him.

Okay, this has got to be the longest thing ever posted here.  I hope you
enjoyed reading it.  Now let's hear from some of you that also collect not
just APES movie posters but other films as well.

-- Rory





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.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/01 3:30:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Beneath:

Longer Sauna dialogue;

DON'T FORGET THEY CHOPPED STUFF OUT OF THE URSUS SPEECH TOO.PLUS THERE WAS A
SCENE WITH URSUS,ZAIUS,AND THE MINISTER ORANGUTAN,AS WELL AS FOOTAGE OF
CORNELIUS TELLING A GORILLA THAT BRENT IS TO BE USED FOR RESEARCH.

<.html

In a message dated 4/6/01 6:58:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< Even more than a still gallery (most pics
are available elsewhere anyway) >>

And rare stills!
Some of my faves are the ones during rehearsal, where Kim has a baret in her
hair of Linda has her hair tied back in a babushka and talking to the
director. That's better than Chuck playing Frisbee. I like the ones where
there doing a scene but something is out of place like smoking a ciggie or a
grip with a light in the background.

Wow!

I'd sure love to get my hands on that Zira poster, pricey as it is. It
sounds really cool. I only have two originals a Beneath and a German Escape.
I have two reprints, an Escape and a Brit courtroom Planet. I have one Zira
poster it's a head shot I found on eBay. Most of the Apes stuff I have are
in publicity stills. My Kim posters and lobby cards are from other movies.

The only Apes poster I have is the new double sided teaser poster for the new
film.

Loc

And I just made a fantastic fridge magnet from the photo in Cinescape!!!

Hey Rory,

Just to confirm that 99% of all UK video cassettes are supplied in a
sturdy plastic case so there's nothing unusual about the title you
purchased.

It might also be of interest that most region 2 (UK) DVD's are also
supplied in rather nifty plastic cases. Most of the region 1 titles
(US) I've bought are also in inferior card cases.

Generally speaking I'd say that the UK packaging for the majority of
movies is superior to US versions although the content... especially
that of DVD's is often inferior.

Before you begin to feel cheated bear in mind the price... A new
video cassette of a recent title is about £13 ($18.70) and a DVD is
£20 ($29)

POTA or any of it's sequels have yet to receive a UK release on DVD.

.html In a message dated 4/6/01 7:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Rory, there may or may not be the originals we are looking for, but when we
have a comprehensive list we can get some answers about and is not
available/was or was not filmed.  If there are sequences that were not fully
filmed, then we could suggest a gathering of all photographs with commentary
or something.  The claim that everything that is out there was used on the
Behind documentary is false - did they use the "Battle" scenes we all know
exist?  There is unquestionably more out there - even possibly some things
amongst Natalie's vaults (Jeff, did you find any POTA stuff?).

Michael --

I just don't want everybody to get there hopes up, but that doesn't mean you
should stop what you're trying to do.

Of course, good luck.

-- Rory

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Here is a transcript from Heston's online chat from March 15th for those of
you that don't have AOL. It's pretty long but I'm putting it out in it's
entirety. He talks about Apes a few times and seems confused on a couple
parts but for those of you who want to read it here it is.

Hollywood legend Charlton Heston stoped by AOL Live to talk about the DVD
release of "Ben-Hur." This Oscar-winning actor answered member questions
about the making of "Ben-Hur," the upcoming remake of "Planet of the Apes"
and more. See what he had to say below.

Scroll down to read the full transcript...
*****************************************************

Host: Did you have any involvement in the remake of "The Planet of the
Apes"? If so, how much?

Charlton Heston: Well, I play a cameo in it. Right? Hello?

Host: Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. I was trying to get another question.

Charlton Heston: I play a cameo in it.

Host: Why do you suppose people always mess up your famous line, "Get your
stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape"?

Charlton Heston: Because it's a hard line to learn. People come up to me
with that line all the time. They say, "Would you sign this?" I say, "If you
get the line right." They very seldom do. But the full line, "Get your
stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape." That's the line. In "Ben-Hur," the
--

Host: Here's a "Ben-Hur" question for you -- where was "Ben-Hur" filmed?

Charlton Heston: In Rome. Almost all of it. Some of it south of Rome, about
50 miles.

Host: I'm just looking for a follow-up question to this, as they type this
for you.

Host: When was the last time you saw "Ben-Hur" from the opening credits to
the end?

Charlton Heston: Well, when I was doing some voiceover for the remake, the
reissue of it, which I spent three days in New York, just the beginning of
the week. But I haven't... I suppose I haven't seen the whole film in quite a
while. I remember I must have gone to at least 10 different countries when
the picture first came out, then, after all the Academy Awards and so on. And
one of the more interesting of those visitations was in Japan, where the
emperor of Japan and his family, for the first time in his life, attended a
film in the Ginsa, or indeed had ever entered the Ginsa. He came with his
family and they drove up the steps in a Rolls-Royce, at about a 30-degree
angle, stopped and got out. I said, "Look, how do I do this? Am I supposed to
bow?" They said, "We don't know." So they said, "Do what he does." And he
held out his hand. So I shook hands with him, and that was that.

Charlton Heston: But by that time, I'd seen the film so many times in so
many different countries, that I would go, sometimes my wife was with me,
sometimes she'd stay home, and I'd just watch the first... you know, go
through the entry and shaking hands with the main people there. But then I
would only sit down in the back row and watch the first five minutes, to see
how it was playing for the audience. And on this particular evening, with the
emperor of Japan and his family, he had never seen... been introduced to a
foreign actor. But he was perfectly content with that. And I was... it had
become my practice, going from city to city and country to country, I would
watch the first five or 10 minutes, at most 10 minutes, just to see how it
was reading for the audience. And this time, in the first 10 minutes, the
film broke three times.

Host: Wow.

Charlton Heston: Of course, the... they'd put in new equipment and
everything. But apparently, because the emperor was personally in attendance,
the guy running the projection machine was so nervous, he kept breaking the
projection. But the emperor never moved a muscle.

Host: That's great.

Charlton Heston: They told me afterwards that before the war, everyone --
all the officials of the company and everyone involved in the theater --
would have committed suicide.

Host: Wow.

Charlton Heston: I'm glad it was after the war.

Host: In the movie "Mother Lode," you play two leads and direct, too. Was it
very difficult? Would you do it again? And greetings from your friends in
Germany.

Charlton Heston: Well, thank you. I have both directed and acted in several
films. I've done... what? In all, eight "Macbeths," and I directed all of
them. And then "Man For All Seasons," I played it onstage in London and did a
film of it. That's not uncommon, and I'm faithful... comfortable with it.

Host: If "Ben-Hur" were to be remade today, what do you think today's
standards would bring to that film?

Charlton Heston: Give me the question again.

Host: If "Ben-Hur" were to be --

Charlton Heston: After that.

Host: If it was to be remade, how do you think it would be different, being
made today than when it came out?

Charlton Heston: I suspect, since they've re... just the last few days
reissued a DVD of the film, I doubt it will be remade ever, because the DVD
has remarkable qualities in it. The lighting, the color, all those things.
The chariot race is the same. I still win the race.

Host: I love the dialogue in "Ben-Hur." "You can break a man's skull, you
can throw him into a dungeon, but how do you fight an idea?" It's simply
brilliant. Who was the writer, and what else did they do?

Charlton Heston: Goodness. Rod Serling wrote the main script, and --

Host: Was it Lee Wallace or Karl Turnburg?

Charlton Heston: No, no, no. We're talking about "Planet of the Apes,"
aren't we? Yeah. No, that... the primary script writing was done by Rod
Serling. And the final... we finally did the script, and the only name
change... the only main change was the end, which I think is one of the best
endings for a film ever made. When Taylor stands ankle deep in the surf and
realizes that he's still... that he's back on Earth -- that it was Earth all
along -- and then he says, "God damn you! God damn you all to hell!" And the
producer said, "You know, you can't say that." In those days, you couldn't.
He says, "You can't swear on screen like that." And I said, "No, I'm not
swearing. I said Taylor is literally calling on God to destroy the people who
ruined civilization." And he said, "That's pretty good. I think that will
fly." And it did.

Charlton Heston: But I must say, usually if it's an important film of mine,
of course, you've seen the film by then, you've gone to the cast and crew
screening, but I didn't realize the impact that the ending of the film would
have, because until the first two or three days the picture was opened in
various theaters, before people learned how the ending of the film was, why,
people would literally stand up in the theaters, in their seats, at the
ending. And then, of course, we worked out what the ending was. One of the
most extraordinary experiences I've had in film.

Host: Mr. Heston, I was wondering what it was like to see Russell Crowe play
in the movie "Gladiator." How would that compare?

Charlton Heston: It was very good. I thought Mr. Crowe richly deserves the
Oscar and will probably win. Of course, it's not... that's all digitalized.

Host: Right.

Charlton Heston: That's OK.

Host: There were no digital tigers when you performed "Ben-Hur."

Charlton Heston: His performance is not digitalized. I've thought about that
over many years. I thought, sooner or later, they're going to find a way to
eliminate the actor entirely, and then we're in trouble.

Host: We ran a poll on AOL a while ago during this chat, and 70 percent of
the people prefer "Ben-Hur" over "Gladiator."

Charlton Heston: Well, that's... it's nice to hear, of course. But I can
say, having seen the film, Mr. Crowe is a very good actor. The film just
doesn't have the... there is no chariot race, let us say. He had a
wonderful... we had a wonderful cast, and William Wilder directing it and so
on. It was an extraordinary experience. Everybody knew it at the time. Today
this would be a trivial sum, but when we made "Ben-Hur," there were... the
estimate was it cost $14 million. Now, you couldn't make a movie with that
now. But at the time, it was the most expensive film ever made. And it was
clear to everyone in the industry that if "Ben-Hur" was not a huge hit, MGM
would be a parking lot. And so it would have been. But, happily, it turned
out, and it won all the Oscars and so on. So we were lucky.

Host: How would you compare working with Cecil B. DeMille to William Wilder?

Charlton Heston: They were both very fine filmmakers. DeMille, of course,
preceded him in time by a good number of years. DeMille was one of the men,
along with Adolf Zucker, who invented the movies. Literally invented the
movies. And there's a story that he would not deny (though he would not
concede that it was true), that they had originally intended to make "The
Straw Man," which was the first picture made in Hollywood. They originally
planned to make it in Arizona. And so they were on the train, and they
stopped in Arizona, in Flagstaff, and it was raining. Just pissing rain. And
DeMille got off the train, and he said, "This is ridiculous." He said, "We
can't make a western here." He said, "Get on the train again. We'll go on.
What's the next station?" They said, "Los Angeles," I think. He said, "Let's
go on to Los Angeles." If it had not been raining in Arizona that day, you
and I would be having this conversation in Flagstaff.

Host: Very true. What movie that you've been in has been most... was most
fun to work on?

Charlton Heston: Movies are not supposed to be fun to work on.

Host: They're work.

Charlton Heston: You're talking about Martin and Lewis movies. I've done a
couple of comedies, but more that are serious. It's not supposed to be fun
for us. It's supposed to be fun for the audience. And that's what you're
there for. I'm on my 82nd film now. But I don't go in saying, "Gee, this is
going to be fun today. Wow, wow." It's very hard work.

Host: Here's a fun question for you --

Charlton Heston: It's supposed to be hard work. Go ahead.

Host: Can you settle a bet I have with my father? When I was a kid, I
remember you hosting "The $64,000 Question." Did you? If you did, my dad owes
me $20.

Charlton Heston: What was that? Was that thing where they were cheating
finally?

Host: Yes.

Charlton Heston: I was on it. I don't remember more than that about it. I
made an appearance. And they asked me a question and I answered it, but I
wasn't involved in hosting. I certainly didn't host it, no.

Host: OK. "Major Dundee" is quite an accomplishment. What was it like
working with Sam Peckinpah?

Charlton Heston: Sam was a very gifted actor. He was also a difficult man. I
remember well when we were preparing the film, and they gave us a big office
over at Columbia, and I tend to walk around in circles when I'm talking about
a script. I walk up and down the room, and that's fine. It happened that Sam
did the same thing. So I came in one day, because we kept bumping into each
other, and he had put tape down across the middle of the room. And he said,
"OK, now you walk around in circles on that side, I'll walk around in circles
on this side." And the film is not as good as it might have been, but I liked
working for him.

Charlton Heston: He was... I'll tell you a story that is remarkable. We were
down in Mexico, and it was really primitive Mexican country. And we finished
some shots, and then it got to be what they call the "blue hour," when you
get about five minutes where you could get absolutely marvelous color at the
end of the day. And Sam said, "Look, mount up there." It was about the
cavalry, as you probably know. He said, "Mount the guys up, take them up to
the top of the ridge and come down. It's going to be a great shot, and we
just got a few minutes to do it." So we mounted up. As I was riding up the
hill, I said, "Do you want me to come down at a trot or a canter?" He said,
"A trot. Come down at a trot." I said, "Fine, fine." We brought the whole
troop down at a trot. I said, "How was that?" He said, "That was lousy. I
told you to come faster, but you did not." I said, "You lying son of a
bitch." By this time, I had turned the horse around to go back up the ridge.
I turned around and I drew my sabre. I don't think, I know I would not have
struck him with the sword, but I was really as angry as I have ever been on a
movie set. I don't do that often.

Host: Wow.

Charlton Heston: Sam saw me coming back down 50 yards away, and he got on
the saddle of the boom, which goes up about 50, 60 feet. He said, "Take it
up! Take it up! Take it up!" And I rode the horse under the boom, and I
pulled him to a halt. And I said, "Would you like another take at a run?" He
said, "Yes." And we did the take at a run. Then he said, "That's a print."
And neither of us ever mentioned it again.

Host: That's a great story. Here's another one for "Ben-Hur" -- what added
features will there be in the DVD of "Ben-Hur"?

Charlton Heston: Say it again. You're a little low.

Host: I'm sorry. What added features will the DVD of "Ben-Hur" include?

Charlton Heston: Well, there's some commentary. I lend some commentary to it
throughout. And there is a documentary commentary on it, that doesn't include
me. Happily, it does include a little bit from Dorothy Dahl, who did not, she
insists, have anything to do with the film.

Host: A favorite film of mine was you starring in "Soylent Green."

Charlton Heston: Oh, yes. With Eddie Robinson.

Host: How did you find working with Edward G. Robinson? You were both
fantastic. What a great sci-fi plot.

Charlton Heston: Well, I had worked with Eddie. He was in "The Ten
Commandments," as you may remember.

Host: Right.

Charlton Heston: It was marvelous. His performance was marvelous. I came to
be friendly with him. We lived not far away. And he was marvelous in the
film, and he was superb, even better, in "Soylent Green," in which he had a
better part. But he knew he was dying when we did the end of the film. He
knew he was dying when he went into the film. But as the weeks went on, of
course, it was more and more difficult. And he wouldn't go to his trailer,
his dressing room. He would sit on the set in a chair and talk to people. But
he wouldn't -- he wanted to preserve identity. He was just wonderful in it.
The scene of his death is one of the highlights of the film. People always
talk about it. And I was -- I didn't know he was dying, but I was very proud
to have worked with him yet again. And to work with him in the scenes we had.
We bonded very well, I think.

Host: OK. What do you think of the state of the film industry today? Is
there any aspect you'd like to see changed?

Charlton Heston: Well, it's making... making a good film is not very easy.
We don't make the bad ones on purpose. They just happen. We do our best;
sometimes we do. I hope always we do our best. You remember -- or maybe
you've never heard -- Spencer Tracy's famous mantra for actors. I picked it
up in the first film I was in. I hold to it ever since. He said, "Show up on
time. Know your words. And don't bump into anything."

Host: You have taken an active role in recent years as an activist. What do
you want to be remembered for first and foremost, being an actor or your work
outside of the entertainment industry?

Charlton Heston: First as an American, a father, a husband, and an actor.

Host: That's great. "Ben-Hur" is known for the chariot scene, but I really
like the sea battle. I've heard rumors people died during the filming of that
scene. Any truth to that?

Charlton Heston: Which? The sea battle?

Host: Yes.

Charlton Heston: Oh, nobody died. We had people who were crippled in advance
and who performed in the scene where they're caught in the hold of the slave
galley. But no one was really hurt.

Host: OK.

Charlton Heston: Of course, the prime element in the whole film, I suppose,
is the chariot race. And that was a much more complicated thing for all of
us, I think. I went to Rome, oh, goodness, at least two months before we were
starting -- no, a month and a half before we were to actually start shooting.
And I spent most of that time practicing, learning to drive a chariot, a
four-horse chariot, which is not as easy as you may think. I'd go out for...
except we'd take Sundays off. But every other day, I'd go out for at least an
hour, maybe an hour and a half, working with one of the three white rigs. Of
course, we weren't shooting the film at this point. This was before the
shooting had started. And I gradually became... I'm used to horses, I've
worked a lot with horses in films. But a four-horse chariot is another thing.
You have to skid, because the wheels won't turn. You have to skid the whole
thing through the turns.

Charlton Heston: And one day I was sitting there after several weeks of
doing this and Yakima came out, who was directing the race sequence, who was
directing this, of course. He was teaching me to drive. One day while we were
resting the horses, while we were resting me, if you want to know, and he
said... I said, "You know, Yak, I can't tell you how grateful I am, because I
feel absolutely confident I can do this, I can drive this sucker." And I
said, "Just one thing worries me. All these weeks, all these weeks it's just
been you and me and one of the three horse teams, one after the other." I
said, "Next week we have to start filming this. Then there's going to be
others out there. I'm not so sure I can cut that."

Charlton Heston: Yak looked at me. He said, "Chuck, you just make sure you
stay in the chariot." I did.

Host: Here's another question -- any film that you were offered and turned
down and later regretted?

Charlton Heston: Well, of course, you turn down films for different reasons.
You turn down films because either they're not paying you enough money, or
you don't like the part, or because you're tired, you just finished a long
film. What's the film...

Host: What was Susan Hayward like? She's still one of my favorites.

Charlton Heston: Well, I only made one picture with her, but it was a very
good picture, and it started putting me well on my road to getting better.
Also, she gave me my first Academy Award. So that was nice. That was kind of
an interesting thing. I was sitting in the auditorium with my wife, of
course, and it had gone on and on. Those things take forever. I think most
actors, the only time you go to the Academy Awards is if you're either
nominated or presenting, because you're talking about five hours. Anyway, I
was sitting there going over what I would say if I won, and what I would say
if I lost. And my wife was sitting beside me. And I looked up at the corner
of the auditorium and there was a chandelier up there, but it had no
significance, just part of the decoration. But something clicked in my head,
and I said to myself -- I didn't say it, but I thought, "I've won. It's over.
I've won."

Charlton Heston: So I sat perfectly relaxed while they went through the next
event. And then Susan picked up the thing and said, "The winner for best
actor, Charlton Heston." There I was. But somehow, I knew it before.

Host: Have you ever regretted giving up -- have you ever regretted a film
that you were in, after you saw it?

Charlton Heston: Well, I've made a lot of films I wished I hadn't made. Or
even more that I could have done better and didn't do better. But if I made a
film that I thought was just awful to begin with? No, I try to turn those
down.

Host: How would you compare "The Omega Man" to some of the sci-fi films that
come out today?

Charlton Heston: Well, "The Omega Man" -- of course, the first of the modern
space operas that created the genre was "Planet of the Apes." But "The Omega
Man" was a significant film, in my opinion, and I'm proud of it for one -- I
think it is a good film and I think I was good in it. But the main thing I
like about it is that it was the first film in which a black actress was
playing opposite a white leading man. And I'm so proud of that. Because I
said, "Use her. She's very good. Let's use her." And they did, and she was
very good.

Host: Looking back at your filmography, which one of your films do you feel
was never truly appreciated when it came out and should be rereleased?

Charlton Heston: All of them. Then again, from one side of the world to the
other.

Host: "Planet of the Apes" is a very interesting film. Was there any moment
when you filmed it that you thought this could never really happen?

Charlton Heston: Are you talking about in real life?

Host: Mm-hmm. Yes.

Charlton Heston: It never occurred to me that I could... that anyone could
land on a foreign planet and find it filled with apes, no. It's a movie. A
very good movie, and a movie that broke the barrier for the way they make
those movies. But come on. It's not --

Host: Do you own a DVD player? And if so, what's the most recent film you
watched? And you can't say one of your own.

Charlton Heston: I'm sorry, what? I didn't hear the question.

Host: I'm sorry. Do you own a DVD player? And if so, what's the most recent
film you watched in it? Please don't say one of your own films.

Charlton Heston: Well, I have a screening room. But of course, DVD is a more
recent thing. I have a DVD of "Ben-Hur," which has just been put out in DVD
and is... I spent three days in New York plugging it on TV.

Host: How would you compare your --

Charlton Heston: I'm going to be trained in watching it.

Host: How would you compare your role in "Ben-Hur" to your role of John the
Baptist?

Charlton Heston: Oh, Ben-Hur's a much better part. John the Baptist is a
significant figure in Christian history, but Ben-Hur is a better role, of
course. The whole film is built around Ben-Hur.

Host: OK. I'm just looking for some good questions, because we only have
time for a couple more, is all. You played Julius Caesar in the 1950s and the
1970s. Any chance we'll see that role again?

Charlton Heston: Well, I've done "Julius Caesar," always playing Antony,
because Antony has the best part. I've done it on stage and film. Mr.
Shakespeare is the best stuff. If you don't play Shakespeare, you are not a
player, you are not in the game. And I had the good fortune to play many
Shakespearean parts. And those are the best parts. That's all there is to it.
The actors who don't do Shakespeare, as I've said... I said to Robert De
Niro, it was very rude of me, I said, "Mr. De Niro, I think you are the best
American film actor of your generation" -- which, of course, is the
generation just after mine. He said, "Thank you. Thank you very much." And I
said, "That said, you have to do Shakespeare; an actor of your abilities has
to do those parts." And he said, "Yeah, yeah, people say that to me all the
time." I said, "They're right."

Charlton Heston: Then I realized I had upset him. And I said, "I have no
right to tell you what to do with your career." But I said, "You should play
those parts. Those are the parts. Great parts."

Host: Let's end with our last question: What is next? What is your next
role that you will be playing?

Charlton Heston: A couple things are coming up. You read the scripts, then
you sort them out. Maybe we'll decide which ones to do, and then you decide
how much money they'll pay for it.

Host: I think they're looking for, what film can they see you come out with
over the next year? Is there anything to be looking forward to?

Charlton Heston: In the next year, the sequel to "Planet of the Apes," or
the new version, if you like. I guess that's what would be correct. It will
be coming out sometime in August. I look forward to that.

Host: OK. Great. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it.

Charlton Heston: I enjoyed talking to you.

Host: We know you're busy. When "Planet of the Apes" is around, please come
back. Or "Town & Country." Whatever it is, you're great.

Charlton Heston: I don't think they'll ever release "Town & Country."

Host: It has been on my schedule quite a few times.

Charlton Heston: Really?

Host: We appreciate your time, Mr. Heston.

Charlton Heston: Nice to talk to your audience.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 7:01:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dballard@... writes:

Before you begin to feel cheated bear in mind the price...

Oh, I don't feel cheated at all.  I was just wondering if what I got was the
original cut out and put in a plastic storage case, but I guess not.  I think
it's cool the way it is.  I guess I'll have to look closer at the videos in
Nigel's video store the next time I watch "Eastenders" to see how they're
packaged.

Cheers,
Rory<.html

.htmlOne of the best reviews PLANET OF THE APES got was the review by "Murf" in
Variety, the industry trade paper.  You can often find Variety reviews
complied in volumes at the public library.  Their reviews are often the first
crack at judging the films, and because their focus is on the boxoffice
potential for a film, their observations can often be very shrewd and dead
on.  Here's what was said about PLANET on February 7, 1968.

"'Planet of the Apes' is an amazing film.  A political-sociological allegory,
cast in the mold of futuristic science-fiction, the Arthur P. Jacobs
production for 20th-Fox  is an intriguing blend of chilling satire, a
sometimes ludicrous juxtaposition of human and ape mores, optimism and
pessimism.  Franklin J. Schaffner directed star Charlton Heston and a strong
supporting cast.  Production values, especially outstanding makeup, plus
Jerry Goldsmith's score, maximize impact.  Strong entertainment assets for
general audiences, plus concurrent -- and perhaps controversial -- appeal to
more sophisticated viewers, add up to excellent b.o. prospects.

"Pierre Boulle's novel, in which some stranded U.S. space explorers find
themselves considered animals in a world dominated by apes, has been adapted
by Michael Wilson and Rod Serling.  Script at times digresses into low comedy
-- many common phrases in which 'simian' and 'ape' are substituted for
'human' and 'man' -- and, whether intended or not, audiences will be inclined
to laugh rather than to grin at the irony.  Perhaps this was a gambit for
mass appeal.

"In any case, the totality of the film works very well, leading to a surprise
ending, although, in hindsight, it could have been deduced all along.  Yet,
the suspense, and suspension of disbelief, engendered is one of the film's
biggest assets.

"Heston, leader of an aborted space shot which propels his crew 20 centuries
ahead of earth, is a cynical man who eventually has thrust upon him the
burden of reasserting man's superiority over all other animals.  At fadeout,
he is the new Adam.  Linda Harrison, who has appeared in some recent 20th pix
bits, is herein formally 'introduced' in a totally silent part of the new Eve.

"Key featured players -- all in ape makeup which obscures their regular
facades, yet permits subtleties of expression -- include Roddy McDowall and
Kim Hunter, two scientists accused of heresy; Maurice Evans, their adversary
in the Inquisition which forms a major plot sequence; James Whitmore and
James Daly, two other ape Establishment functionaries.  John Chambers is
given special creative makeup design credit, and it certainly is deserved.  
Ben Nye and Dan Striepeke executed superbly the makeup design.

"Rather precise parallels exist in the allegorical writing to real world
events over, say, the past 20 years.  Suppression of dissent by fair means
and foul; peremptory rejection of scientific data by maintainers of status
quo; double-standard evaluation of people and events.  It's all here.

"Screenplay probably could not have been filmed 10 years ago, and the
disturbing thought lingers that it might not be possible in another 10 years,
when engineered public and political opinion again swings into another
distorted extreme.  Despite the immediate world turmoil, climate appears to
be in a dead center which in life, as well as in mechanics, cannot long
endure.

"Schaffner's direction generally is sure throughout.  Leon Shamroy's
versatile Panavision DeLuxe Color lensing accents both the macroscopic and
microscopic dramatic elements, with adroit and neatly restrained forays into
subjective technique, per director's obvious intent.  Goldsmith's score,
orchestrated by Arthur Morton, lends an excellent mood.  Overall
establishment of setting is, in the best sense of the word, a successful con.

"In smaller roles, Robert Gunner and Jeff Burton, as Heston's space crew
survivors, serve to fix star's initial character; their eventual demise in
plot is logical.  Lou Wagner, as a young ape intellectual, and Buck
Kartilian, as a gorilla zoo-keeper, help reinforce the ape civilization
setting which, in some spots involving principals, is strained (but never
broken) in credulity.

"There is some medium and long-shot male buttocks nudity, but handled with
care and free of obvious exploitation sensationalism.  Hugh S. Fowler
executed editing to 112 minutes.  It is debatable whether about 10 inutes
could be trimmed, particularly in first two reels; film would play better,
internally, yet the delibrate establishment of the strange world -- which
successfully gulls an audience -- could suffer.  In any case, once story
begins to move, it keeps going.

"Other technical credits are first rate.  Film exteriors were shot in Utah
and Arizonia National Park country, where desolation and grandeur of an
indifferent Mother Nature matches perfectly with the desired story setting of
the results of an insolent Human Nature."

Pretty interesting to read this 33 years later, eh?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlHi Michael,

Listen, I've just looked at some of the extras on the Five Star Collection
"Cleopatra" DVD.

I'm just kidding here, but not really -- You should tell your connection we
POTA fans want simply that APES get the Five Star "Cleopatra" treatment.

Then maybe add, "God Dammit All To Hell!!!"

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/7/01 9:13:40 AM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:
French
<< "Pierre Boulle's novel, in which some stranded U.S. space explorers find
themselves considered animals in a world dominated by apes, >>

They got that wrong.
But the rest seems to be spot on.
With the exception of the paragraph below.
It seems predictions about the future were wrong as usual. And damnit
where's my robot and flying car!

"Screenplay probably could not have been filmed 10 years ago, and the
disturbing thought lingers that it might not be possible in another 10 years,
when engineered public and political opinion again swings into another
distorted extreme. Despite the immediate world turmoil, climate appears to
be in a dead center which in life, as well as in mechanics, cannot long
endure.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 6:49:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

Host:  Why do you suppose people always mess up your famous line, "Get your
stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape"?

And there I always thought it was "TAKE your stinking paws off me,you damn
dirty ape."

<.html

Hi Ken - - -

Yes, Terry and I have thought about a "best of" for "Ape Chronicles" but it
should definitely should be after the upcoming issues. The end of this year
will mark the 10th anniversary. - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Say Hey Willie


> Hey Jeff,
> I have the first 30 or so issues of "APE CHRONICLES". Have you and Terry
> ever considered printing an Omnibus or best of? Even if fan produced, it
> would still be a comprehensive and extremely interesting read for any
> APE fan.
> There's a thought starter.
> Unless of coarse , you HAVE already thought of it.
> Best,
> KEN
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Actually, I watch "Escape" more often, but now with DVD I find myself just
flipping to favorite scenes instead of watching the whole
movie! - - - - J.K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Gould" <mark.gould@...>
To: "pota" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:56 AM
Subject: [pota] How Often


> Simple question:
>
> How often do you watch the original Film? (Yes, original film only, not
any
> of the following films or TV series or cartoons etc etc)
>
> M
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Shut up, Dave! You make me sick!!

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave B" <ceballard@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:13 AM
Subject: [pota] P.C


> Just lately this e-group seems to be suffering from an attack of a form of
> Political Correctness where many people are afraid or at least wary of
> saying what's on their mind for fear of offending a certain individual or
> individuals.
>
> If you were in a bar with a crowd of your friends you wouldn't beat around
> the bush when making a point and if one of your pals said something you
> didn't agree with you'd probably laugh and buy him a drink.
>
> This e-group should be like a chatty crowd of friends in a bar not a sulky
> WWF grudge match! So let's stick together and at least be tolerant of one
> anothers views.
>
> Let's cut all this "I don't wish to offend so and so" ... "Please don't
take
> this the wrong way"... "I'm not having a go at XX personally."
>
> Let's all just say what we want to say and keep our fingers crossed that
> it'll be read by a reasonable, thinking adult.
>
> Oh yeah, I sure hope I didn't offend any fans of WWF
>
> Dave B (Back from holiday and reading through several thousand messages)
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Thanks for the info, Mez. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Apes Fan????


> > I did a search but I can't remember their website. "DVD drive-in",
> something like that. George Ruiz and Joe - - - damn! Somebody grab a
> copy of "Apes" Fan".
> >
> > - - - -
> Jeff
>
> Did someone say grab an ape???
>
> It's Joe Lozowsky and George R. Reis, and you're right, the website
> is DVD Drive-In:
>
> http://dvddrive-in.com/index.htm
>
> And I'll be ding-donged, there's two articles in this here copy of
> Apes Fan by someone called Jeff Krueger! Man, you went to the 30th
> Anniversary bash?? I'm am SO green with envy....
>
> Mez - lost & found but mostly lost
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] A Corporate Thing

You're absolutely right, Mike, the original was made to make money.  But now,
it's really getting out of hand.  When I went and saw "Twister" all I could
think was, "Oh, here's the next ride at Universal."

It used to be that the studios made movies hoping that they'd turn a profit
so the studio could then make more movies.

But now!!!   They make movies to sell every thing from Happy Meals to....
Whatever!!!

My point is that I hope the new movie isn't a souless piece of corporate crap
meant to only make a few people richer than they already are.

I hope the new PLANET OF THE APES isn't a "McMovie."

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:41 PM

Subject: RE: [pota] A Corporate Thing

Rory,

 

I sure as hell agree with you there!  But I must admit I'm first in line for the Happy Meal McApe Toys!

 

Twister was awful, wasn't it?  I thought another shameful effort was "Rules of Engagement" - Great cast, awesome previews, but what a shameful effort to imitate "A Few Good Men" it turned out to be!  Thankfully, with Burton etc involved I really don't think the "Re thinking" will have the same outcome, and I really hope I'm right.

 

So who will direct Boulle's Novel (I know you don't want me to call it Monkey Planet, so Boulle's Novel it is!) when Fox give you the green light?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 4:44
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] A Corporate Thing

You're absolutely right, Mike, the original was made to make money.  But now,
it's really getting out of hand.  When I went and saw "Twister" all I could
think was, "Oh, here's the next ride at Universal."

It used to be that the studios made movies hoping that they'd turn a profit
so the studio could then make more movies.

But now!!!   They make movies to sell every thing from Happy Meals to....
Whatever!!!

My point is that I hope the new movie isn't a souless piece of corporate crap
meant to only make a few people richer than they already are.

I hope the new PLANET OF THE APES isn't a "McMovie."

-- Rory




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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:10 PM

Subject: [pota] 30th Scroll, First Verse

Beware the new film POTA, for it is the devil's spawn.
Alone among Fox's films for 2001, it exists solely to
sell happy meals, action figures, posters or whatever.
Yea, Zanuck would sell his brother to make a buck.
Let it not breed a new raft of sequels,
for they will make a desert of my multiplex and yours.
Shun it, for it is merely the harbinger of the
Special Collector's Edition DVD to come.

~~ Haristas, Lawgiver ~~


This is for you, mlccougar.

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That last comment was hilarious, Matt. Even Russell Crowe smiled.
By the way, for those of you who never had the chance to own the original
"Beneath" LP, there's a picture of both the exterior and the interior of the
album at the Natalie Trundy website (under "gallery"). - - - -
Jeff

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From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: [pota] BENEATH and CONQUEST/BATTLE soundtracks


> I finally broke down an ordered the soundtracks to BENEATH and
> CONQUEST/BATTLE from Film Score Monthly. Man, do they ship fast! I ordered
> them on Thursday and got them on Monday. I highly recommend their service!
I
> haven't listened to them in their entirety yet, but here's my first
> impressions:
>
> - The packaging and liner notes are awesome (great photos and design),
> although there was one error in the BENEATH booklet. It says something to
the
> effect that the sauna scene in that film was the only time the apes
appeared
> unclothed in any of the films. Our discussion about the nude Caesar in
> CONQUEST a few days back disputes that claim.
>
> - I listened to all of the CONQUEST tracks. I love "1991 Restaurant" I am
a
> fan of cheesy lounge music and that one certainly fits the bill. I wish it
> could have made it into the film.
>
> - The stuff from the old BENEATH LP.......what kind of drugs were they on
> back then? I have to throw that one into the CD player the next time I
have a
> party.
>
> - The actual BENEATH score is quite good. It is interesting to listen to
> these away from the film. Very weird stuff. I was listening to BENEATH in
my
> car on the way home from work tonight and all I could think of is "what if
I
> got in an accident and whomever rescued me was greeted with the sounds of
the
> bomb worshipping song as they pried my body from the wreckage?" What a
weird
> scene that would be!
>
> More thoughts later!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Some things never change. But how come Rory never calls us
- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: [pota] Rory's Ramblings


> For your reading enjoyment, this is from the letter column in issue #13
from
> Marvel's old POTA mags (October 1975):
>
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> Are you kindding about the Saturday morning animated PLANET OF THE APES TV
> show? MY GOD, when will it stop? I love the APES, but it's just they're
> getting worse as they go along.
>
> I would like to see you take a poll on your statement that BENEATH THE
PLANET
> OF THE APES is the least-liked of the series. It certainly isn't the worst
of
> the series - ask any critic; he'll tell you it's BATTLE without a doubt.
>
> On your covers you always have gorillas with M-16 rifles. In the first two
> films the Apes had their own style of guns.
>
> There is a lot of talk about what you're going to do after you finish your
> adapations of the TV series. Well, I think you can come up with something
> better than that. How about doing your own adaptation of the book? Get a
few
> of your best writers together and see what they can do with the book, page
by
> page. That would really be something.
>
> I also have another angle I think you should take on your TERROR strip.
How
> about this...Before the world was ravaged by the nuclear wars there was a
> colony of scientists living on the moon. Now after centuries of believing
the
> earth void of life and highly radioactive, their descendents decide to
> explore the earth and...well you take it from there.
>
> Where ever you go with your stories I hope don't make the Apes out to be
> fools. After all the stuff the TV series did to discredit the films, your
> magazine should at least try to restore a little bit of diginity to the
APES.
>
> Rory Monteith
> Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
>
> The next one came in issue #28 (January 1977):
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> In many of your articles you have expressed confusion as to what date the
> original PLANET OF THE APES took place. One thing says this, one thing
says
> that. I have viewed PLANET several times, and during these repeated
viewings
> I have written down the dates that appeared on the clocks during the
prolouge
> of the film. I have checked them over and over again, and you can be sure
> that the information that I am about to reveal IS as it appears in PLANET
OF
> THE APES.
>
> Now whether or not you are going to take this information down, and keep
it
> as truth, is up to you. All I can say is do what I have done, see the
film -
> pay attention - write it down - see the film again and make sure it is
> correct.
>
> I am sure I am correct and this is what I found to be in the original
film...
>
> In the prologue to PLANET OF THE APES when Taylor first looks at the
clocks
> he sees "EARTH TIME" as 3/24/2673 or March 24, 2673, and sees that "SHIP
> TIME" is 2/14/1972 or February 14. 1972.
>
> Taylor says... "In less than an hour I will finish our sixth month out of
> Cape Kennedy. Six months in deep space. 'Flight Hour Time', that is."
>
> They therefore took-off from Cape Kennedy on, or around, August 14, 1971!!
>
> After the ship crashes in the inland sea, Taylor looks at "EARTH TIME" and
it
> reads 11/25/3978. TAYLOR'S SHIP CRASHED ON NOVEMBER 25, 3978!! ("Ship
Time"
> was not shown in that shot)
>
> Later at the shores of the inland sea, Landon says that they were in space
> for 18 months (they slept for 12 months) and Taylor says..."Our time."
>
> So the ship's flight was 18 months long, from August 14, 1971 to February
14,
> 1973, "Flight Hour Time," that is.
>
> In the sequels the year that PLANET took place was 3955. This, as you can
> see, is a mistake. Somehow the screenwriters overlooked what was in the
> original, and how they overlooked this is one of the greatest mysteries of
> the PLANET OF THE APES film series.
>
> Rory Monteith
> 1124 N.E. 15th Ave.
> Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
>
>
> Man! That guy was long winded even in the 70s (just jazzing you Rory!)
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Lynne Miller

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:05 PM

Subject: [pota] In Memory of Josephina....

Mine, too!  I know first-hand how hard a thing this can be when I lost my 13 year old cat 2 years ago...It feels as though you have lost a child, which, in fact, that is what they become emotionally.  Make those my heart-felt condolences!! 

                                              *Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...

>In a message dated 3/21/01 5:29:08 PM Central Standard Time,

>williejoe@... writes:

>

><< P.S.: Natalie Trundy's cat Josephina died today. >>

>

>My condolences to Natalie.

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<< "Get your

> stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape"?
> And there I always thought it was "TAKE your stinking paws off me,you damn

dirty ape." >>

Let clear this up once and for all...
He says, "Take your stinking paw off me, you damn dirty ape!"
The lie as written was, "Get away from me, you dirty ape!"
If Chuck is playing on that...He just doesn't feel like signing autographs.

Natalie tells me that was her and "Time Machine" put it on her website.

- - - - - Jeff

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From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Is that a banana in your pocket?


>
>
>
> In the pocket banana category. . .
> As many of you who read Playboy may know. Mr. McDowall sported sort of
> tackle that would have done John Dillinger proud. This makes the line in
> Escape about measuring his inside leg even funnier. For evidence of this
> anomaly, go to the breeding scene in Conquest, as he's walking down the
hall
> to meet his prospective mate of the afternoon delight, his jumpsuit seems
to
> contain a foreign object. Like me you'll wonder why you never noticed it
> before after all these years. I don't think you'll be able not too now.
By
> the way, does anyone know for sure who the girl was? Was that Joyce
Haber?
> I don't think it was Natalie Trundy. Just who was that? Anyone? Anyone?
> Bueller?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:48 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2

In a message dated 4/5/01 6:39:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

What about the Nova pregnancy scene?

Matt

Hey Matt,

You know, I'm not sure that was shot.  I know there are stills from it, but I
think I read somewhere Linda Harrison saying that they never actually filmed
it, just rehearsed it.  BUT I could be wrong.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Harrison

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:23 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Helpful Alex.

hey rory, think you're a smart ass?

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:21 PM

Subject: [pota] Helpful Alex.

Hey Alex,

You think Pete's figured it out?

By the way, did you see my post about the two shots on the BENEATH and
CONQUEST DVD's?   Do you have the DVD's and are you able to capture images
from them and post them on your site?

Also, how's that interview with Linda Harrison coming?

Hey, I wonder if Pete Harrison is related to Linda Harrison?  Probably not.

-- Rory

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>Shut up, Dave! You make me sick!!

Right!!! ... Me... You... Outside NOW!

That's hilarious, John! Russell Crowe almost slapped his knee!
I'd like a commentary track by Linda Harrison playing Nova. There'd just
be silence and every once in awhile when Heston is on the screen she'd say
"Tay-lor!".
-- - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2


> Good point about the photo gallery Rory. The ones in the first DVD
set
> are very lame. Heston catching a frisbee? C'mon!!! Now Linda catching a
> frisbee. That's something I'd like to see. And what about just a
collection
> of raw, uncut footage? Bloopers? Get on the stick, Fox!! Go Apes,
John
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 4/7/01 1:39:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< einer calling for better movie concepts, and on the other was one of the
producers of "Twister" >>

Twister was a Non-Movie.
No plot or character develpoment, or resolution. Just an FX-Extavaganza.
A chance to play with the new toys. I've seen better stories produced on
Movie of the Week!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:32 AM

Subject: [pota] Calling Jeff Krueger!!

Hey Jeff --

Okay, as I can see here, somebody at Fox is interesting in knowing what the
'true' fans would like to see in a re-mastered boxed set of DVDs.

Any thoughts from out there in L.A.?   Do you have any idea about the
possibilities of lost scenes still existing?

By the way, has Lou Wagner got his Medicom of himself yet?

-- Rory

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"But how come Rory never calls us "Sir"?"- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Rory's Ramblings


> Some things never change. But how come Rory never calls us
> - - - - Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:36 PM
> Subject: [pota] Rory's Ramblings
>
>
> > For your reading enjoyment, this is from the letter column in issue #13
> from
> > Marvel's old POTA mags (October 1975):
> >
> >
> > Dear Sirs,
> >
> > Are you kindding about the Saturday morning animated PLANET OF THE APES
TV
> > show? MY GOD, when will it stop? I love the APES, but it's just they're
> > getting worse as they go along.
> >
> > I would like to see you take a poll on your statement that BENEATH THE
> PLANET
> > OF THE APES is the least-liked of the series. It certainly isn't the
worst
> of
> > the series - ask any critic; he'll tell you it's BATTLE without a doubt.
> >
> > On your covers you always have gorillas with M-16 rifles. In the first
two
> > films the Apes had their own style of guns.
> >
> > There is a lot of talk about what you're going to do after you finish
your
> > adapations of the TV series. Well, I think you can come up with
something
> > better than that. How about doing your own adaptation of the book? Get a
> few
> > of your best writers together and see what they can do with the book,
page
> by
> > page. That would really be something.
> >
> > I also have another angle I think you should take on your TERROR strip.
> How
> > about this...Before the world was ravaged by the nuclear wars there was
a
> > colony of scientists living on the moon. Now after centuries of
believing
> the
> > earth void of life and highly radioactive, their descendents decide to
> > explore the earth and...well you take it from there.
> >
> > Where ever you go with your stories I hope don't make the Apes out to be
> > fools. After all the stuff the TV series did to discredit the films,
your
> > magazine should at least try to restore a little bit of diginity to the
> APES.
> >
> > Rory Monteith
> > Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
> >
> > The next one came in issue #28 (January 1977):
> >
> > Dear Sirs,
> >
> > In many of your articles you have expressed confusion as to what date
the
> > original PLANET OF THE APES took place. One thing says this, one thing
> says
> > that. I have viewed PLANET several times, and during these repeated
> viewings
> > I have written down the dates that appeared on the clocks during the
> prolouge
> > of the film. I have checked them over and over again, and you can be
sure
> > that the information that I am about to reveal IS as it appears in
PLANET
> OF
> > THE APES.
> >
> > Now whether or not you are going to take this information down, and keep
> it
> > as truth, is up to you. All I can say is do what I have done, see the
> film -
> > pay attention - write it down - see the film again and make sure it is
> > correct.
> >
> > I am sure I am correct and this is what I found to be in the original
> film...
> >
> > In the prologue to PLANET OF THE APES when Taylor first looks at the
> clocks
> > he sees "EARTH TIME" as 3/24/2673 or March 24, 2673, and sees that "SHIP
> > TIME" is 2/14/1972 or February 14. 1972.
> >
> > Taylor says... "In less than an hour I will finish our sixth month out
of
> > Cape Kennedy. Six months in deep space. 'Flight Hour Time', that is."
> >
> > They therefore took-off from Cape Kennedy on, or around, August 14,
1971!!
> >
> > After the ship crashes in the inland sea, Taylor looks at "EARTH TIME"
and
> it
> > reads 11/25/3978. TAYLOR'S SHIP CRASHED ON NOVEMBER 25, 3978!! ("Ship
> Time"
> > was not shown in that shot)
> >
> > Later at the shores of the inland sea, Landon says that they were in
space
> > for 18 months (they slept for 12 months) and Taylor says..."Our time."
> >
> > So the ship's flight was 18 months long, from August 14, 1971 to
February
> 14,
> > 1973, "Flight Hour Time," that is.
> >
> > In the sequels the year that PLANET took place was 3955. This, as you
can
> > see, is a mistake. Somehow the screenwriters overlooked what was in the
> > original, and how they overlooked this is one of the greatest mysteries
of
> > the PLANET OF THE APES film series.
> >
> > Rory Monteith
> > 1124 N.E. 15th Ave.
> > Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
> >
> >
> > Man! That guy was long winded even in the 70s (just jazzing you Rory!)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

<< Host: I love the dialogue in "Ben-Hur." "You can break a man's skull, you
can throw him into a dungeon, but how do you fight an idea?" It's simply
brilliant. Who was the writer, and what else did they do?
Charlton Heston: Goodness. Rod Serling wrote the main script, and --
Host: Was it Lee Wallace or Karl Turnburg?
Charlton Heston: No, no, no. We're talking about "Planet of the Apes,"
aren't we? >>

Hide the guns. Chuck has temporarily taken leave of his senses!

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williejoe@... writes:

 I think in "Behind the POTA" they say the pregnancy scene was filmed.     
              - - - - Jeff

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Man, Chuckles has told the same stories so many times I feel like I lived
them.
Once he's learned a line there is no improv. We're never gonna get a fresh
angle on any of them.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:20 AM

Subject: [pota] prophecysite opinion

I need an opinion from all of you...

 

I want to add a second movie to my site, but before I go all the way with Gladiator I may change it to something else.

 

The choice:

 

The Matrix or Terminator

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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Could the person who's been working with Fox about potential special
editions of Apes DVDs please e-mail me privately at: lawford42@...?

Thanks.

Chris L.
____

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:58:36 EDT mlccougar@... writes:

> and the cut scene with Ursus,Zaius,and the Minister,

Is that the one I see stills of where the Minister is giving a "blessing"
to Zaius while Ursus looks toward the camera?

____

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:54:27 EDT MTotsky@... writes:

> Anyone remember this?
>
>

http://www.wackypacks.net/originals/series11/pictures/planetofthegrapes.j
pg

>
> Matt

Geez, I thought I was the only person in the world that remembered these
things. You should see the looks on people's faces when I try to explain
what these were.

How cool was it to be a kid in the 70's?


Chris L.

____

> In a message dated 4/2/01 1:41:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

Haristas@...

> writes:

> > One of these days I'm going to get around to telling where all the

bloopers

> > in the APES films can be found -- and the original has more than its

fair share.


You should make a posting to the list when you do and have everyone send
you their lists privately and then post a master list. I'm sure there are
things that some of us have noticed that others haven't.


Chris L.
____

On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:56:47 +0100 Mark Gould <mark.gould@...>
writes:

> Simple question:
>
> How often do you watch the original Film? (Yes, original film only, not

any

> of the following films or TV series or cartoons etc etc).

At least once a year, more if it's broadcast on television. I have to
admit that I watch the sequels (except for Escape) more regularly that I
do the original (and POTA is my second favorite of the series next to
Beneath). One of those things, I suppose.


Chris L.


____

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:02:19 EDT LordTZer0@... writes:

> If it's on tv I put it on whether I watch it or not. I like to feel I'm

watching it with the fans

> and the people who are seeing it for the first time.

There is something to that, isn't there? No matter when it's on, you feel
like you're connected to other fans through a public forum. Kind of like
the difference between watching NYPD Blue when it's on at 10PM when 15
million other people are watching it, or recording it and watching it
later. Same with any show, I suppose. Watching a video/DVD is a very
personal experience, whereas watching a broadcast is more of a collective
one.


Chris L.

____

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:21:57 EDT mlccougar@... writes:

> What I really hate though is having the apes call each other
> "men". Like in Beneath,Ursus says "Men,over there"

Always thought that line was "Zaius, over there!" though I could never
figure out why he'd be pointing that out to Zaius. Also took me a few
years to figure out that Ursus simply said "Sergeant..." just before
Mendez was shot. Ditto when Zaius yelled "Sergeant!" at the end of the
scene where they find Albina's body.

I see now why Roddy and Kim where so adamant about trying to figure out a
way to enunciate the words through the makeup. Looks like not all the
actors followed suit in practicing, as some ape dialogue is much clearer
than others.


Chris L.
____

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:10:54 EDT Haristas@... writes:

> Beware the new film POTA, for it is the devil's spawn.
> Alone among Fox's films for 2001, it exists solely to
> sell happy meals, action figures, posters or whatever.
> Yea, Zanuck would sell his brother to make a buck.
> Let it not breed a new raft of sequels,
> for they will make a desert of my multiplex and yours.
> Shun it, for it is merely the harbinger of the
> Special Collector's Edition DVD to come.
>
> ~~ Haristas, Lawgiver ~~

JSe3689836@... writes:

> "But there were no happy meals in that cave........."

For an otherwise crappy week, these posts gave me a good laugh. Thanks to
the both of you.


Chris L.

____

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:48:33 +0100 "Alan Maxwell"
<alan@...> writes:

> Of course a good film is a good film, but I must admit I'm a sucker for

a

> downbeat ending! One of the reasons I love Beneath is that when I first

saw

> it I just couldn't believe they'd blown up the Earth! Not too many

films can

> claim to have done that!

I don't think ANY other films can claim that now that I think about it.

I believe we've had this conversation about downer endings before, and I
have to admit that I like them too. All the apes films had them, Soylent
Green, Omega Man, to name a few. They definitely leave you with more to
think about that films with the traditional happy ending. And the BATTLE
ending would have even been more down if the Alpha Omega footage had been
left in!


Chris L.

____

> In a message dated 4/2/01 8:19:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:

> > ?
> > Did the sauna scene in "Beneath" bother anyone?

Not really. As it's already been pointed out, I'm sure secret meeting
like this take place all the time, and you can't help but appreciate the
juxtaposition. A casual setting where societies leaders are discussing a
planned genocidal invasion.

I remember a TV show once where a lawyer and DA were discussing a
client's potential jail term over a McDonald's lunch with about as much
intensity as you would when choosing a color for your house. Lots of
different things you could read into scenes like this one and the sauna
scene in BENEATH- becoming numb to certain things over the course of time
that you really shouldn't be numb to (i.e. police detectives seeing a
murder victim as part of the job- though in reality I suppose you'd have
to in a job like that), the casualness with which world/country/state
affairs get discussed, etc.

Thoughts, anyone?


Chris L.
____

> <mlccougar@...> wrote:

> >And to those out there that may wonder if I think RETURN is "REAL"
> >APES, I can't lie to you all,no,I don't. When I look at RETURN, I wish

they

> >hadn't gone so nuts with it. I would have liked them to stay "REAL

APES" with it.

> Alan Maxwell writes:

> Personally I'm not upset that they did what they did with it. I admit

I've

> not seen it so it could be atrocious for all I know (but hey, it's

Apes, so

> it can't be!) but the idea of doing something different appeals to me.

This

> is why I like the comics as well - okay, so some fans won't like them,

but

> those fans can revisit their "true" PotA in film form whenever they

want. I

> think the comics and the TV series and so on enrich PotA by taking the

same

> basic concepts but exploring strange new aspects that the films never

would

> or never could.

Actually, I always thought the animated series was the closest anyone
came to adapting the original novel. By that I mean putting the apes in a
modern setting with electricity, automobiles, and so forth. And you have
to admit that it was unconventional for a Saturday morning cartoon, what
with them having multi-episode story arcs, subplots- that sort of thing.
And ending the first episode where they did? Definitely a way to get the
viewers to come back the following week.


Chris L.

____

How about the terrorizing of the cop in "Resevoir Dogs". Talk about
juxtaposition. 3 cheers for Tim (Thade) Roth.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes


> > In a message dated 4/2/01 8:19:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > williejoe@... writes:
>
> > > ?
> > > Did the sauna scene in "Beneath" bother anyone?
>
>
> Not really. As it's already been pointed out, I'm sure secret meeting
> like this take place all the time, and you can't help but appreciate the
> juxtaposition. A casual setting where societies leaders are discussing a
> planned genocidal invasion.
>
> I remember a TV show once where a lawyer and DA were discussing a
> client's potential jail term over a McDonald's lunch with about as much
> intensity as you would when choosing a color for your house. Lots of
> different things you could read into scenes like this one and the sauna
> scene in BENEATH- becoming numb to certain things over the course of time
> that you really shouldn't be numb to (i.e. police detectives seeing a
> murder victim as part of the job- though in reality I suppose you'd have
> to in a job like that), the casualness with which world/country/state
> affairs get discussed, etc.
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>
>
> Chris L.
> ____

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 3:24:57 PM Central Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Man, Chuckles has told the same stories so many times I feel like I lived
them.
Once he's learned a line there is no improv.  We're never gonna get a fresh
angle on any of them

Ain't that the sad truth!!?? I am SO sick of him calling Apes the "space
opera",and when he says about Jacobs bringing the idea around to the studios
and having the studio executives saying "Space ships?Talking monkeys?Thats
Saturday morning serials (or Buck Rogers depending on the interview.)"

You are so right,a NEW comment or two would be welcome,but we won't get it
from Heston,thats for sure.

<.html

Sure, there's been other movies where the world getts blown up. "Dr.
Strangelove" comes to mind.

I think I heard the bomb was left out of "Battle" because they wanted it to
be ambiguous. With the bomb in there and Caesar's statue crying we assume
the world ends again just as in "Beneath"'. Taking it out leaves the future
more open which is what the film is about: Can the future be changed?

Sorry, Rory, I didn't mean to put some meaning into "Battle". . .

- - - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <lawford42@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Magazines


> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:48:33 +0100 "Alan Maxwell"
> <alan@...> writes:
>
> > Of course a good film is a good film, but I must admit I'm a sucker for
> a
> > downbeat ending! One of the reasons I love Beneath is that when I first
> saw
> > it I just couldn't believe they'd blown up the Earth! Not too many
> films can
> > claim to have done that!
>
>
> I don't think ANY other films can claim that now that I think about it.
>
> I believe we've had this conversation about downer endings before, and I
> have to admit that I like them too. All the apes films had them, Soylent
> Green, Omega Man, to name a few. They definitely leave you with more to
> think about that films with the traditional happy ending. And the BATTLE
> ending would have even been more down if the Alpha Omega footage had been
> left in!
>
>
> Chris L.
>
> ____

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 4:10:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
lawford42@... writes:

> Simple question:
>
> How often do you watch the original Film? (Yes, original film only, not
any
> of the following films or TV series or cartoons etc etc).

I'd say at least 3 times.Maybe 4,it all depends I guess,but on the average 3
sounds right.

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Charlton Heston AOL Live Chat (it's long!)

In a message dated 4/7/01 3:24:57 PM Central Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Man, Chuckles has told the same stories so many times I feel like I lived
them.
Once he's learned a line there is no improv.  We're never gonna get a fresh
angle on any of them

Ain't that the sad truth!!?? I am SO sick of him calling Apes the "space
opera",and when he says about Jacobs bringing the idea around to the studios
and having the studio executives saying "Space ships?Talking monkeys?Thats
Saturday morning serials (or Buck Rogers depending on the interview.)"

You are so right,a NEW comment or two would be welcome,but we won't get it
from Heston,thats for sure.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 5:49:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Sorry, Rory, I didn't mean to put some meaning into "Battle". . .

                                                                 - - - - -
Jeff

You're forgiven.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 5:45:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlccougar@...
writes:

Man, Chuckles has told the same stories so many times I feel like I lived
them.
Once he's learned a line there is no improv.  We're never gonna get a
fresh
angle on any of them

Ain't that the sad truth!!?? I am SO sick of him calling Apes the "space
opera",and when he says about Jacobs bringing the idea around to the
studios
and having the studio executives saying "Space ships?Talking monkeys?Thats
Saturday morning serials (or Buck Rogers depending on the interview.)"

You are so right,a NEW comment or two would be welcome,but we won't get it
from Heston,thats for sure.


As someone who used to catch Heston almost every time he was on the old
Johnny Carson show, I can certainly confirm his redundancy factor.  If I had
to listen to him describe one more time a camel as "a horse designed by a
committee" when talking about making "Khartoum" I thought I was going to die.

Basically "Charlie Hero," as Roddy McDowall used to call him -- or so said
Kim Hunter -- is a boring guy.  I think that's why he is and what it takes to
be ultra-conservative -- a lack of imagination.  Hell has anyone ever
listened to Fat Ass Rush?  The same damn show every day!!!

However, Chuck sure made a lot of movies that I love and I'll have more to
say on Chuck in future -- he's all "right" in his own way.  I think he'll
also be very funny in "Town & Country."

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 4:00:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

But definitely, "Battle" needs a commentary track by YOU, Rory!

 I haven't called Lou Wagner yet.



I can't think of a worse torture!!

Please call Lou Wagner.  I'm dying to hear what he thinks of himself in
plastic.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 3:20:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 Some things never change. But how come Rory never calls us
      - - - - Jeff

I'm confused here.  Who do you want me to call?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 4:11:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
lawford42@... writes:

> and the cut scene with Ursus,Zaius,and the Minister,


Is that the one I see stills of where the Minister is giving a "blessing"
to Zaius while Ursus looks toward the camera?

This scene I refer to (in a nutshell)is this.It is in the novelization of
Beneath as well as in the POTA magazine issue # 8.It is basically Zaius
saying "Suppose they are superior to us?"Ursus and the minister get mad at
him and say he is blasphemous for saying something like that.The minister
tells him that a godly ape isn't afraid of the unknown.Zaius says he is just
being cautious.Ursus asks him if he is so cautious that he won't ride with on
the invasion.Zaius says he will because as a scientist,he is curious.

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:42 PM

Subject: [pota] Official Site Exlusive

THADE OPENING A CAN OF WHOOP ASS!!

hehehe!!

 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 3:20:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Some things never change. But how come Rory never calls us
      - - - - Jeff

I'm confused here.  Who do you want me to call?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 3:50:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 I think in "Behind the POTA" they say the pregnancy scene was filmed.      
             - - - - Jeff

This is really driving me nuts!  I can swear I read an interview with
Harrison (That's Linda, not Pete) where she said they never actually rolled
camera on the pregnancy stuff.  But I can't find it in my collection of
mags!!!  Damn!   Well, I guess I find out for sure sooner or later.

-- Rory <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 5:08:22 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

I'm confused here.  Who do you want me to call?

-- Rory

He'd like you to refer to us as "Sirs" the same way you did in your letters
to POTA in the 70s.I'm sure you really did know that though.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 6:15:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlccougar@...
writes:

He'd like you to refer to us as "Sirs" the same way you did in your letters
to POTA in the 70s.I'm sure you really did know that though.

LOL!!!  Believe it or not, I didn't get that!  Funny!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 3:54:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"But how come Rory never calls us "Sir"?"- - - - Jeff

NOW I get you!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 3:57:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

<< Host:  I love the dialogue in "Ben-Hur." "You can break a man's skull,
you
can throw him into a dungeon, but how do you fight an idea?" It's simply
brilliant. Who was the writer, and what else did they do?
 Charlton Heston:  Goodness. Rod Serling wrote the main script, and --
Host:  Was it Lee Wallace or Karl Turnburg?
 Charlton Heston:  No, no, no. We're talking about "Planet of the Apes,"
aren't we? >>

Hide the guns.  Chuck has temporarily taken leave of his senses!

T cracks me up like no body else on this list.  Loved the refrigerator magnet
comment, too!

-- Rory
<.html

I would love to see all the production illustrations when they were
planning to film Boulle's novel before deciding it would be too expensive,
including the original 13 paintings (which was sold to a private collector
in '71).

I've been going through the stuff Natalie has left this week (she donated
almost everything to the Archive). She's got some nice photos from "Apes"
(including her father as a gorilla from "Battle") but the stuff she has left
is sparse except for "Huckleberry Finn" (I think she has almost every call
sheet!). What's cool is that her mom saved seemingly everything from her
teen model years and early years as an actress (there was an article about
her in a 1961 "TV Guide"), newspaper articles about her, a treasure trove.

- - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: DVD Set 2


> Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> >Oh, I think I called for the complete test film before. I have it on
tape,
> >too, but the print used in the documentary was excellent. For those who
> >don't know, the test film begins with conceptual sketches Jabobs had done
> by
> >artists,
>
> Argh! I knew I forgot something. Even more than a still gallery (most pics
> are available elsewhere anyway) I'd love to see all the production art and
> conceptual illustrations in one package. That would make a terrific extra
on
> a DVD release.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 4:24:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Man, Chuckles has told the same stories so many times I feel like I lived
them.

T, you're out to kill me, I'm sure it!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 4:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I'd like a commentary track by Linda Harrison playing Nova. There'd just
be silence and every once in awhile when Heston is on the screen she'd say
"Tay-lor!".
                                           -- - - - - Jeff

LOL!!!!   I'm dying over here!!

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:41 PM

Subject: RE: [pota] A Corporate Thing

Rory,

 

I sure as hell agree with you there!  But I must admit I'm first in line for the Happy Meal McApe Toys!

 

Twister was awful, wasn't it?  I thought another shameful effort was "Rules of Engagement" - Great cast, awesome previews, but what a shameful effort to imitate "A Few Good Men" it turned out to be!  Thankfully, with Burton etc involved I really don't think the "Re thinking" will have the same outcome, and I really hope I'm right.

 

So who will direct Boulle's Novel (I know you don't want me to call it Monkey Planet, so Boulle's Novel it is!) when Fox give you the green light?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 4:44
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] A Corporate Thing

You're absolutely right, Mike, the original was made to make money.  But now,
it's really getting out of hand.  When I went and saw "Twister" all I could
think was, "Oh, here's the next ride at Universal."

It used to be that the studios made movies hoping that they'd turn a profit
so the studio could then make more movies.

But now!!!   They make movies to sell every thing from Happy Meals to....
Whatever!!!

My point is that I hope the new movie isn't a souless piece of corporate crap
meant to only make a few people richer than they already are.

I hope the new PLANET OF THE APES isn't a "McMovie."

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Jeff,

Ask Russell if he's seen "Chopper" and congratulate him on the new Grunts CD
I am sending to all my US friends who worship him (when will they release
the CD over there and stop me from going broke?).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 5:37
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2

That's hilarious, John! Russell Crowe almost slapped his knee!
I'd like a commentary track by Linda Harrison playing Nova. There'd just
be silence and every once in awhile when Heston is on the screen she'd say
"Tay-lor!".
-- - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2


> Good point about the photo gallery Rory. The ones in the first DVD
set
> are very lame. Heston catching a frisbee? C'mon!!! Now Linda catching a
> frisbee. That's something I'd like to see. And what about just a
collection
> of raw, uncut footage? Bloopers? Get on the stick, Fox!! Go Apes,
John
>
>
>
>
>
>

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

>And rare stills!
>[snip]...I like the ones where
>there doing a scene but something is out of place like smoking a ciggie or

a

>grip with a light in the background.

Yes, I've got a few of those sort of things myself, though not particularly
rare. Not rare at all for example, the still featuring Roddy & Natalie in
Battle (with other apes in the background) and the top corner of the photo
shows part of a rig or something. But then I guess it's just a production
photo so it's not really "out of place" - the same can probably be said of
the various Conquest promo stills that feature things like this.

I'd like to ramble on a bit more about posters and stills, but I'll wait.
It's after midnight and I have the pleasure of working tomorrow.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>Oh, I don't feel cheated at all. I was just wondering if what I got was

the

>original cut out and put in a plastic storage case, but I guess not. I

think

>it's cool the way it is. I guess I'll have to look closer at the videos in
>Nigel's video store the next time I watch "Eastenders" to see how they're
>packaged.

Just to clarify even further, there is another difference between bought and
rental tapes, in that rental tapes are usually in a similar case but bigger.

This has to win the award for Least Fascinating Conversation Ever. Sorry.

Alan

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

>Ain't that the sad truth!!?? I am SO sick of him calling Apes the "space
>opera",and when he says about Jacobs bringing the idea around to the

studios

>and having the studio executives saying "Space ships?Talking monkeys?Thats
>Saturday morning serials (or Buck Rogers depending on the interview.)"
>
>You are so right,a NEW comment or two would be welcome,but we won't get it
>from Heston,thats for sure.

That's a valid comment, but in Heston's defence - there are only so many
ways to tell the same story and if people want to hear something different,
how about asking him some different bloody questions!

Alan

.html <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 7:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

That's a valid comment, but in Heston's defence - there are only so many
ways to tell the same story and if people want to hear something different,
how about asking him some different bloody questions!

Alan

Good point, Alan, but what you don't realize is that a lot of Heston's
stories are just bullshit.  This is a custom of old-time Hollywood stars, the
bullshit stories that you pull from the hat as the occasion demands.  The
ones that don't do it are the ones that aren't bullshitters in the first
place.

-- Rory, who knows bullshit when he hears it, or at least likes to think he
does.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 6:14:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

That's a valid comment, but in Heston's defence - there are only so many
ways to tell the same story and if people want to hear something different,
how about asking him some different bloody questions!

True,but you could ask him the most original question in the world and he'd
still give the same stock answers.Even if he is going to answer questions in
the same way,he could at least say it spontaneously,instead of giving the
same word for word answers.

<.html

I agree Chris.

I must ask Jack though, when you say was anyone disturbed, do you mean by
the fact that the fur of the naked Ursus and Zaius was too big to ever fit
into the suits?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42@... [lawford42@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 7:05
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes

> In a message dated 4/2/01 8:19:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:

> > ?
> > Did the sauna scene in "Beneath" bother anyone?

Not really. As it's already been pointed out, I'm sure secret meeting
like this take place all the time, and you can't help but appreciate the
juxtaposition. A casual setting where societies leaders are discussing a
planned genocidal invasion.

I remember a TV show once where a lawyer and DA were discussing a
client's potential jail term over a McDonald's lunch with about as much
intensity as you would when choosing a color for your house. Lots of
different things you could read into scenes like this one and the sauna
scene in BENEATH- becoming numb to certain things over the course of time
that you really shouldn't be numb to (i.e. police detectives seeing a
murder victim as part of the job- though in reality I suppose you'd have
to in a job like that), the casualness with which world/country/state
affairs get discussed, etc.

Thoughts, anyone?


Chris L.
____

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 4:01 PM

Subject: RE: [pota] A Corporate Thing

Hi Jeff,

 

Who directed "Rules of Engagement?".  Some nobody I'm sure!  Is it just me or does anyone else feel it was a star studded money grab?

 

I watched "Edward Scissohands" again last night, but with my 2 kids this time.  I love that movie!

 

I wonder if "Planet Revisited" will be a fairy story telling like many of Burton's movies are?

 

Time will tell.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 4:07
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] A Corporate Thing

  What a small world. Richard Zanuck produced "Rules of Engagement"!     - - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:41 PM

Subject: RE: [pota] A Corporate Thing

Rory,

 

I sure as hell agree with you there!  But I must admit I'm first in line for the Happy Meal McApe Toys!

 

Twister was awful, wasn't it?  I thought another shameful effort was "Rules of Engagement" - Great cast, awesome previews, but what a shameful effort to imitate "A Few Good Men" it turned out to be!  Thankfully, with Burton etc involved I really don't think the "Re thinking" will have the same outcome, and I really hope I'm right.

 

So who will direct Boulle's Novel (I know you don't want me to call it Monkey Planet, so Boulle's Novel it is!) when Fox give you the green light?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 4:44
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] A Corporate Thing

You're absolutely right, Mike, the original was made to make money.  But now,
it's really getting out of hand.  When I went and saw "Twister" all I could
think was, "Oh, here's the next ride at Universal."

It used to be that the studios made movies hoping that they'd turn a profit
so the studio could then make more movies.

But now!!!   They make movies to sell every thing from Happy Meals to....
Whatever!!!

My point is that I hope the new movie isn't a souless piece of corporate crap
meant to only make a few people richer than they already are.

I hope the new PLANET OF THE APES isn't a "McMovie."

-- Rory

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Jeff, you think you're a smart ass? How do I unsubscribe from this f---ing
group?! - - - Russell Crowe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] DVD Set Take 2


> Jeff,
>
> Ask Russell if he's seen "Chopper" and congratulate him on the new Grunts
CD
> I am sending to all my US friends who worship him (when will they release
> the CD over there and stop me from going broke?).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 5:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2
>
> That's hilarious, John! Russell Crowe almost slapped his knee!
> I'd like a commentary track by Linda Harrison playing Nova. There'd just
> be silence and every once in awhile when Heston is on the screen she'd say
> "Tay-lor!".
> -- - - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JSe3689836@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set Take 2
>
>
> > Good point about the photo gallery Rory. The ones in the first DVD
> set
> > are very lame. Heston catching a frisbee? C'mon!!! Now Linda catching a
> > frisbee. That's something I'd like to see. And what about just a
> collection
> > of raw, uncut footage? Bloopers? Get on the stick, Fox!! Go Apes,
> John
> >
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 7:15:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Just to clarify even further, there is another difference between bought and
rental tapes, in that rental tapes are usually in a similar case but bigger.

This has to win the award for Least Fascinating Conversation Ever. Sorry.

Alan

Yes!  Let's drop it now!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:24 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: prophecysite opinion

Alex - -     It's gotta be either "Terminator" or "Gone With the Wind". And make your Classiic "Apes" site prominent again.     Terminator it is! www.prophecysite.com   Check it out so far..   POTA Classic is there, but within the remake. Why? Because the remake is what gets more hits on my site, believe it or not.   More post to come, but once again delayed by yahoo koo koo!   Best,   Alex

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