Yeah,

Like "What is your position on gun control?".

You guys all know he told blatant lies about the state of things in
Australia in a pro guns TV commercial, don't you?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 9:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Charlton Heston AOL Live Chat (it's long!)

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

>Ain't that the sad truth!!?? I am SO sick of him calling Apes the "space
>opera",and when he says about Jacobs bringing the idea around to the

studios

>and having the studio executives saying "Space ships?Talking monkeys?Thats
>Saturday morning serials (or Buck Rogers depending on the interview.)"
>
>You are so right,a NEW comment or two would be welcome,but we won't get it
>from Heston,thats for sure.

That's a valid comment, but in Heston's defence - there are only so many
ways to tell the same story and if people want to hear something different,
how about asking him some different bloody questions!

Alan

Yeah, I was referring to the comment of the "naked" Caesar in "Conquest"
and whether people had a similar reaction to the naked General and Herr
Zauis. I wasn't disturbed that the scene took place in a sauna.

By the way, I checked out the blooper in that scene after it was mentioned
that the extra had a rip in his suit. That thing is going to jump out at me
forever more! No more bloopers! Or at least a warning like a spoiler
warning.

I will contribute my own and that's it: in "Escape" , how does Cornelius
know how to open the gate during the escape? He ducks down when it's
demonstrated.

-
- - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] Primitive apes


> I agree Chris.
>
> I must ask Jack though, when you say was anyone disturbed, do you mean by
> the fact that the fur of the naked Ursus and Zaius was too big to ever fit
> into the suits?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lawford42@... [lawford42@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 7:05
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Primitive apes
>
> > In a message dated 4/2/01 8:19:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > williejoe@... writes:
>
> > > ?
> > > Did the sauna scene in "Beneath" bother anyone?
>
>
> Not really. As it's already been pointed out, I'm sure secret meeting
> like this take place all the time, and you can't help but appreciate the
> juxtaposition. A casual setting where societies leaders are discussing a
> planned genocidal invasion.
>
> I remember a TV show once where a lawyer and DA were discussing a
> client's potential jail term over a McDonald's lunch with about as much
> intensity as you would when choosing a color for your house. Lots of
> different things you could read into scenes like this one and the sauna
> scene in BENEATH- becoming numb to certain things over the course of time
> that you really shouldn't be numb to (i.e. police detectives seeing a
> murder victim as part of the job- though in reality I suppose you'd have
> to in a job like that), the casualness with which world/country/state
> affairs get discussed, etc.
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>
>
> Chris L.
> ____

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 7:41:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Yes Rory I have DVD, I saw the images, very interesting but I don't have the
time right now to capture them. The net has been crearly taking up too much
of my time lately. I'm not doing an interview with Linda, just a novascope.

Best
Alex



Okay, Alex.  Thanks for the reply.  Take care.

Best,
Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 8:03:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

You guys all know he told blatant lies about the state of things in
Australia in a pro guns TV commercial, don't you?

Michael

As I said, bullshitter, but DAMN IT TO HELL! if he didn't make some good
movies once upon a time.

-- Rory<.html

.html <.html

.htmlI think Jeff Krueger said here that Pauline Kael, once the influencial film
critic at The New Yorker Magazine, thought PLANET OF THE APES the best
Science Fiction film ever.  Well, I don't know about that, but she did like
it and her positive review, so I've read, surprised everyone and helped make
POTA a hit.  Here it is from the February 17th, 1968 New Yorker, including
the review's title:

"Apes Must Be Remembered, Charlie"

"'Planet of the Apes' is a very entertaining movie, and you'd better go see
it quickly, before your friends take the edge off it by telling you all about
it.  They will, because it has the ingenious kind of plotting people love to
talk about.  If it were a great picture, it wouldn't need this kind of
protection; it's just good enough to be worth the rush.

"Adapted from a novel by Pierre Boulle, 'Planet of the Apes' most closely
resembles George Pal's 1960 version of H.G. Wells' 1895 novel 'The Time
Machine.'  It's also a little like 'Forbidden Planet,' the 1956
science-fiction adaptation of 'The Tempest,' though it's perhaps more
cleverly sustained than either of those movies.  At times, it has the
primitive force of old 'King Kong.'  It isn't a difficult or subtle movie;
you can just sit back and enjoy it.  That should place the genre closely
enough, without spoiling the theme or the plot.  The writing, by Michael
Wilson and Rod Serling, though occasionally bright, is often fancy-ironic in
the old school of poetic disillusion.  Even more often, it is crude.  But the
construction is really extraordinary.  What seem to be weaknesses or holes in
the idea turn out to be perfectly consistent, and sequences that work only at
a simple level of parody while you're watching them turn out to be really
funny when the total structure is revealed.  You're too busy for much
disbelief anyway; the timing of each action or revelation is right on the
button.  The audience is rushed along with the hero, who keeps going as fact
as possible to avoid being castrated or lobotomized.  The picture is an
enormous, many-layered black joke on the hero and the audience, and part of
the joke is the use of Charlton Heston as the hero.  I don't think the movie
could have been so forceful or so funny with anyone else.  Physically,
Heston, with his perfect, lean-hipped, powerful body, is a god-like hero;
built for strength, he's an archetype of what makes Americans win.  He
doesn't play a nice guy; he's harsh and hostile, self-centered and
hot-tempered.  Yet we don't hate him, because he's so magnetically strong; he
represents American power -- the physical attraction and admiration one feels
toward the beauty of strength as well as the moral revulsion one feels toward
the ugliness of violence.  And he has the profile of an eagle.  Franklin
Schaffner, who directed 'Planet of the Apes,' uses the Heston of the
preposterous but enjoyable 'The Naked Jungle' -- the man who is so absurdly a
movie-star myth.  He is the perfect American Adam to work off some American
guilt feelings or self-hatered on, and this is part of what makes this new
violent fantasy so successful as comedy.

"'Planet of the Apes' is one of the best science-fiction fantasies ever to
come out of Hollywood.  That doesn't mean it's art.  It is not conceived in
terms of vision or mystery or beauty.  Science-fiction fantasy is a peculiar
genre; it doesn't  seem to result in much literary art, either.  This movie
is efficient and craftsmanlike;  it's conceived and carried out for maximum
popular appeal, though with a cautionary message, and with some attempts to
score little points against various forms of establishment thinking.  These
swifties are not Swift, and the movie's posture of superiority is somewhat
embarrassing.  Brechtian pedagogy doesn't work in Brecht, and it doesn't work
here, either.  At best, this is a slick commercial picture, with it's
elements carefully engineered -- pretty girl (who unfortunately doesn't seem
to have had acting training), comic reliefs, thrills, chases -- but when
expensive Hollywood engineering works, as it rarely does anymore, the results
can be impressive.  Schaffner has thought out the action in terms of the wide
screen, and he uses space and  distance dramatically.  Leon Shamroy's
excellent color photography helps to make the vast exteriors (shot in Utah
and Arizona) an integral part of the meaning.  The editing, though, is
somewhat distracting; several times there is a cut and then a view of what we
have already seen from a different angle or from much higher up.  The effect
is both static (we don't seem to be getting anywhere) and overemphatic (we
are conscious of being told to look at the same thing another way).  The
makeup (there is said to be a million dollars' worth) and the costuming of
the actors playing the apes are rather witty, and the apes have a wonderful
nervous, hoping walk.  The best little hopper is Kim Hunter, as an ape lady
doctor; she somehow manages to give a better performance in this makeup than
she has ever given on the screen before."

Well, that was a sort of backhanded positive review, but at least those last
comments should please T.  What do you say, T?

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:51 PM

Subject: [pota] Pauline Kael's ramblings.

I think Jeff Krueger said here that Pauline Kael, once the influencial film
critic at The New Yorker Magazine, thought PLANET OF THE APES the best
Science Fiction film ever.  Well, I don't know about that, but she did like
it and her positive review, so I've read, surprised everyone and helped make
POTA a hit.  Here it is from the February 17th, 1968 New Yorker, including
the review's title:

"Apes Must Be Remembered, Charlie"

"'Planet of the Apes' is a very entertaining movie, and you'd better go see
it quickly, before your friends take the edge off it by telling you all about
it.  They will, because it has the ingenious kind of plotting people love to
talk about.  If it were a great picture, it wouldn't need this kind of
protection; it's just good enough to be worth the rush.

"Adapted from a novel by Pierre Boulle, 'Planet of the Apes' most closely
resembles George Pal's 1960 version of H.G. Wells' 1895 novel 'The Time
Machine.'  It's also a little like 'Forbidden Planet,' the 1956
science-fiction adaptation of 'The Tempest,' though it's perhaps more
cleverly sustained than either of those movies.  At times, it has the
primitive force of old 'King Kong.'  It isn't a difficult or subtle movie;
you can just sit back and enjoy it.  That should place the genre closely
enough, without spoiling the theme or the plot.  The writing, by Michael
Wilson and Rod Serling, though occasionally bright, is often fancy-ironic in
the old school of poetic disillusion.  Even more often, it is crude.  But the
construction is really extraordinary.  What seem to be weaknesses or holes in
the idea turn out to be perfectly consistent, and sequences that work only at
a simple level of parody while you're watching them turn out to be really
funny when the total structure is revealed.  You're too busy for much
disbelief anyway; the timing of each action or revelation is right on the
button.  The audience is rushed along with the hero, who keeps going as fact
as possible to avoid being castrated or lobotomized.  The picture is an
enormous, many-layered black joke on the hero and the audience, and part of
the joke is the use of Charlton Heston as the hero.  I don't think the movie
could have been so forceful or so funny with anyone else.  Physically,
Heston, with his perfect, lean-hipped, powerful body, is a god-like hero;
built for strength, he's an archetype of what makes Americans win.  He
doesn't play a nice guy; he's harsh and hostile, self-centered and
hot-tempered.  Yet we don't hate him, because he's so magnetically strong; he
represents American power -- the physical attraction and admiration one feels
toward the beauty of strength as well as the moral revulsion one feels toward
the ugliness of violence.  And he has the profile of an eagle.  Franklin
Schaffner, who directed 'Planet of the Apes,' uses the Heston of the
preposterous but enjoyable 'The Naked Jungle' -- the man who is so absurdly a
movie-star myth.  He is the perfect American Adam to work off some American
guilt feelings or self-hatered on, and this is part of what makes this new
violent fantasy so successful as comedy.

"'Planet of the Apes' is one of the best science-fiction fantasies ever to
come out of Hollywood.  That doesn't mean it's art.  It is not conceived in
terms of vision or mystery or beauty.  Science-fiction fantasy is a peculiar
genre; it doesn't  seem to result in much literary art, either.  This movie
is efficient and craftsmanlike;  it's conceived and carried out for maximum
popular appeal, though with a cautionary message, and with some attempts to
score little points against various forms of establishment thinking.  These
swifties are not Swift, and the movie's posture of superiority is somewhat
embarrassing.  Brechtian pedagogy doesn't work in Brecht, and it doesn't work
here, either.  At best, this is a slick commercial picture, with it's
elements carefully engineered -- pretty girl (who unfortunately doesn't seem
to have had acting training), comic reliefs, thrills, chases -- but when
expensive Hollywood engineering works, as it rarely does anymore, the results
can be impressive.  Schaffner has thought out the action in terms of the wide
screen, and he uses space and  distance dramatically.  Leon Shamroy's
excellent color photography helps to make the vast exteriors (shot in Utah
and Arizona) an integral part of the meaning.  The editing, though, is
somewhat distracting; several times there is a cut and then a view of what we
have already seen from a different angle or from much higher up.  The effect
is both static (we don't seem to be getting anywhere) and overemphatic (we
are conscious of being told to look at the same thing another way).  The
makeup (there is said to be a million dollars' worth) and the costuming of
the actors playing the apes are rather witty, and the apes have a wonderful
nervous, hoping walk.  The best little hopper is Kim Hunter, as an ape lady
doctor; she somehow manages to give a better performance in this makeup than
she has ever given on the screen before."

Well, that was a sort of backhanded positive review, but at least those last
comments should please T.  What do you say, T?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:41 AM

Subject: [pota] Pete

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

 

When you click on the link, there is another link that says:

unsubscribe, that will allow you to send an e-mail to unsubscribe.

 

Then it will send you an e-mail back to confirm by replying...

That's all it takes.

 

Best and take care buddy.

 

Yes Rory I have DVD, I saw the images, very interesting but I don't have the time right now to capture them. The net has been crearly taking up too much of my time lately. I'm not doing an interview with Linda, just a novascope.

 

Best

Alex

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:41 AM

Subject: [pota] Pete

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

 

When you click on the link, there is another link that says:

unsubscribe, that will allow you to send an e-mail to unsubscribe.

 

Then it will send you an e-mail back to confirm by replying...

That's all it takes.

 

Best and take care buddy.

 

Yes Rory I have DVD, I saw the images, very interesting but I don't have the time right now to capture them. The net has been crearly taking up too much of my time lately. I'm not doing an interview with Linda, just a novascope.

 

Best

Alex

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"Access Hollywood's weekend edition (1 hour) is spotlighting the summer
movies, including "Apes". Maybe they'll show the trailer again for those who
didn't tape (like me) or maybe other stuff. Check your local listing for
time and channel (here in L.A. it's on Sunday at 7PM on Ch. 4).

Cinescape's website has more on that "Apes" sex scene from supposed
"insiders". Those who want NO spoilers should stay away.

-
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil " <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: [pota] Roddy


> http://www.cshore.com/bucwheat/best/2k1/roddy.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlJust two things to things to throw out for conversation.

1st thing:Don't get me wrong,I think "ESCAPE" is pretty good,but am I the
only one that thinks it should not have been so "light"?I myself liked the
way the novelization of it wasn't so cute (for lack of a better term).To
me,the book is better.Any comments from the group ?

2nd:Do any group members know if there is any way to read the Apes
heiroglyphics?
In issue #13 of POTA from the 70s,Bill Blake and Paula Crist kind of give
their opinions on the subject,but I'm not sure if I think their comments are
right.Two examples they give are:the "half moon"over the chest symbol means
"doctor".Well if thats true,explain the "half moon" on the female gorilla's
outfit.
They also say the chest plate symbol its self means "scientist".Again,I
question this.If that is true,why does Julius have one?Granted its not quite
the same as the chimps,but he does have one,and he certainly isn't a
scientist.And the female gorilla also has a chest symbol.Hell,even the child
gorilla has one.So maybe the 'glyphic design means something,but having one
doesn't necessarily mean you have a certain position.I'm not saying this is
or isn't true,because I really don't know.I always thought of the
heiroglyphics as having a meaning of having status,but I never gave any
thought to them being assigned to your occupation.It could be true,after all
the tv series medical Apes all seem to have the design with the snake on
it.And the general gorillas seem to have the same designs on their helmets
and chest plate on their collar.Then again,look at the council Apes on the tv
show,they are the Supreme Council,highest position in the Ape world and they
don't always have heiroglyphics on their outfits,so I really can't say
anything on this subject.
So does anybody know if there really is a way that you can read them,and if
the designs on them really do show the occupation they hold?Any ideas on this
(especially ones that could be supported by the costume designers themselves)?
<.html

Anyone been to the "Bape" website? You can access it through Alex's
website or go to http://come.to/bape . Bape is apparently another example of
Japanese ape love. They are "Planet of the Apes" characters thhat seem to
have been bred with the Powerpuff Girls! I saw the plush figures in a store
yesterday but was told they can't sell them yet. To see what they look like
go to the website under "Figures". This is too much! Anymore and I'm going
to have to move to
- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil " <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: [pota] Roddy


> http://www.cshore.com/bucwheat/best/2k1/roddy.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"...move to Japan". - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:32 PM
Subject: [pota] Bape


> Anyone been to the "Bape" website? You can access it through Alex's
> website or go to http://come.to/bape . Bape is apparently another example
of
> Japanese ape love. They are "Planet of the Apes" characters thhat seem to
> have been bred with the Powerpuff Girls! I saw the plush figures in a
store
> yesterday but was told they can't sell them yet. To see what they look
like
> go to the website under "Figures". This is too much! Anymore and I'm going
> to have to move to
> - - - - Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil " <pjn1209@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:35 PM
> Subject: [pota] Roddy
>
>
> > http://www.cshore.com/bucwheat/best/2k1/roddy.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 4/7/01 4:10:08 PM, williejoe@... writes:

<< That last comment was hilarious, Matt. Even Russell Crowe smiled.>>

Thanks Jeff! At least someone is reading my stuff!

Matt

In a message dated 4/7/01 6:02:58 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<However, Chuck sure made a lot of movies that I love and I'll have more to
say on Chuck in future -- he's all "right" in his own way. I think he'll
also be very funny in "Town & Country.">>

I loved those Bud Light radio ads he did a few years ago. Those were a riot!

Matt

In a message dated 4/7/01 7:07:50 PM, whitty@... writes:

<<Who directed "Rules of Engagement?". Some nobody I'm sure! Is it just me

or does anyone else feel it was a star studded money grab?>>

Wasn't it William Friedkin ("The Exorcist" "The French Connection)?

Yes it was a star studded money grab.

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 11:58:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

I loved those Bud Light radio ads he did a few years ago. Those were a riot!

Matt

Yes, they were, son.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 12:03:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

In a message dated 4/7/01 7:07:50 PM, whitty@... writes:

<<Who directed "Rules of Engagement?".  Some nobody I'm sure!  Is it just me

or does anyone else feel it was a star studded money grab?>>

Wasn't it William Friedkin ("The Exorcist" "The French Connection)?

Yes it was a star studded money grab.

Matt

A 'McMovie' minus the Happy Meal.

-- Rory<.html

.html I Have the Japanese Laser Box set w/ extended Battle. It ain't on there Rory.
They obviously had access to a great quality print of the entire presentation. It wouldn't have taken much to include it on either  the PLANET or BEHIND disc. Except ( as it's apparent ), the DVD box set project was not handled by anyone who has an affinity w/ the product or it's fans.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/6/01 11:08:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:
 

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I've talked
> to someone who dealt with the producers of the BEHIND THE PLANET OF
THE APES
> documentary, and I was told that pretty much all they could find in
Fox's
> vaults wound up in that production.

May have been HIGHLIGHTED, but how about the WHOLE test makeup
scene?  If I have it on tape, and they obviously have a cleaner
version that they showed pieces of, putting the whole thing on a disc
should be easy.

 

Oh, I think I called for the complete test film before.  I have it on tape,
too, but the print used in the documentary was excellent.  For those who
don't know, the test film begins with conceptual sketches Jabobs had done by
artists, is narrated by someone who tells you about the 'proposed' film, and
is scored by music from the "Lost in Space" TV show.  It's pretty cool, and
should have been included on the present DVD boxed set.

I think it was included in a Japanese laserdisc boxed set that also included
the longer version of BATTLE.

-- Rory

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<.html

As I'm probably the only person on the planet who thought Matrix was
crap, I'd pick Terminator. But to be honest, as much as I enjoyed the
movies ( and have both on DVD) I haven't yet felt the need to search
for a Terminator site. I'm sure if it's anything like you're APES site
Alex, it will be comprehensive and worth a visit. As for the Matrix, I
just want those two hours of my life back.
But like I said, that's just me.
Best,
KEN

Hey Michael,
Who have you found at Fox as a contact? Maybe I might know them. I did have
contact with a variety of different people in the L.A. office during my time
there.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

> Hi Alan
>
> Yes I do have the ear of someone in Fox, but they are tired of fans just
> saying "you guys suk - you don't listen to what we want", but never actually
> saying what they do want!
>
> It makes sense to back up a request for improvement with suggestions of how
> to make it happen.
>
> Rory, there may or may not be the originals we are looking for, but when we
> have a comprehensive list we can get some answers about and is not
> available/was or was not filmed. If there are sequences that were not fully
> filmed, then we could suggest a gathering of all photographs with commentary
> or something. The claim that everything that is out there was used on the
> Behind documentary is false - did they use the "Battle" scenes we all know
> exist? There is unquestionably more out there - even possibly some things
> amongst Natalie's vaults (Jeff, did you find any POTA stuff?).
>
> I am also going to attempt to write an article on Planet of the Apes
> Rarities which will compile comprehensively a list of what is out there (and
> I will include rare comic books, toys etc).
>
> As I always say, when you know what is out there you can begin the search.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2001 5:58
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set 2
>
> I'm going to cover lots of stuff that's probably already been said, but I
> thought it'd help to have them all together. I'm sure someone would correct
> me if I'm wrong or missed stuff:
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> >Good response so far but now we need to get REALLY specific to tell them
> >exactly what scenes we know/think exist.
> >
> >Let me begin:
> >
> >Planet:
> >
> >Scene where Lucius and Zira are stopped;
> >Nova Pregnant
>
> Nova's pregnancy was filmed, according to the Inkworks cards.
> Full Edward Robinson make-up test.
> Extra scenes of Heston chase
> Dialogue from Heston about the missing link between man and ape
>
> >Beneath:
> >
> >Longer Sauna dialogue;
>
> Make-up tests - especially the child
> Any extra footage involving the mutant society - e.g. the children playing -
> I'm sure this was intended to be in the original version but ended up only
> being visible in one of the mutant projections on the wall when Brent is
> interogated
> Extra snippets of Ursus' speech
>
> >Escape:
> >
> >Scena at the beginning with Astro Apes/Earth being destroyed;
> >
> >Conquest:
> >
> >Ape being gunned down at beginning
>
> Missing scenes of violence / original ending
> Breck threatening a gorilla while a soldier holds him (does this exist, or
> is only in stills?)
> Breck's death (was this shot?)
>
> >Battle:
> >
> >Aldo on the School Bus
>
> Extra scenes from teacher chase
> Entire bomb subplot (at least we know this exists!)
>
> Commentaries I'd like:
> Goldsmith, Rosenman & Scott (I'm a fan of the music)
> J. Lee Thompson (the most obvious choice, surely)
> Kim Hunter
>
> There are others too, but people like Heston, Abrahams, Creber, Chambers
> etc. would be great but would probably be repeating a lot of the
> documentary. Perhaps an audio commentary combining snippets from all of
> these people along with the various other less famous actors and crew.
>
> TV series and cartoon I agree would be best left for a separate release...
> although from a sales perspective perhaps including them on a couple of
> extra disks with this set would be better.
>
> And of course it goes without saying - remastered soundtrack, Behind
> documentary, cinema trailers, adverts, Oscar presentation, perhaps a spoof
> or two (Fox do own the Simpsons after all...), etc.
>
> So Michael, have you really been in contact with someone at Fox or is this
> just a con to get us all talking about fun things again? :-)
>
> The thing is, Fox probably wouldn't be prepared to put all the effort into
> it... little do they know that they've got a dedicated group of fans here
> who would do it for nothing!
>
> I'm annoyed, I'm sure there is lots I'm forgetting...
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=577723291

Now, this made me laugh.
Gotta be a spin off comic idea in there someplace!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:41 AM

Subject: [pota] Pete

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

 

When you click on the link, there is another link that says:

unsubscribe, that will allow you to send an e-mail to unsubscribe.

 

Then it will send you an e-mail back to confirm by replying...

That's all it takes.

 

Best and take care buddy.

 

Yes Rory I have DVD, I saw the images, very interesting but I don't have the time right now to capture them. The net has been crearly taking up too much of my time lately. I'm not doing an interview with Linda, just a novascope.

 

Best

Alex

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Thanks for letting me know you agree Matt - thought I was wrong again!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 14:03
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [pota] A Corporate Thing


In a message dated 4/7/01 7:07:50 PM, whitty@... writes:

<<Who directed "Rules of Engagement?". Some nobody I'm sure! Is it just me

or does anyone else feel it was a star studded money grab?>>

Wasn't it William Friedkin ("The Exorcist" "The French Connection)?

Yes it was a star studded money grab.

Matt

It's you, you idiot!

Oh shit, you left didn't you?

Now who's the idiot?

Damn you to hell for leaving!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 4:46
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set 2

Hey Michael,
Who have you found at Fox as a contact? Maybe I might know them. I did have
contact with a variety of different people in the L.A. office during my time
there.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

> Hi Alan
>
> Yes I do have the ear of someone in Fox, but they are tired of fans just
> saying "you guys suk - you don't listen to what we want", but never

actually

> saying what they do want!
>
> It makes sense to back up a request for improvement with suggestions of

how

> to make it happen.
>
> Rory, there may or may not be the originals we are looking for, but when

we

> have a comprehensive list we can get some answers about and is not
> available/was or was not filmed. If there are sequences that were not

fully

> filmed, then we could suggest a gathering of all photographs with

commentary

> or something. The claim that everything that is out there was used on the
> Behind documentary is false - did they use the "Battle" scenes we all know
> exist? There is unquestionably more out there - even possibly some things
> amongst Natalie's vaults (Jeff, did you find any POTA stuff?).
>
> I am also going to attempt to write an article on Planet of the Apes
> Rarities which will compile comprehensively a list of what is out there

(and

> I will include rare comic books, toys etc).
>
> As I always say, when you know what is out there you can begin the search.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2001 5:58
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set 2
>
> I'm going to cover lots of stuff that's probably already been said, but I
> thought it'd help to have them all together. I'm sure someone would

correct

> me if I'm wrong or missed stuff:
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> >Good response so far but now we need to get REALLY specific to tell them
> >exactly what scenes we know/think exist.
> >
> >Let me begin:
> >
> >Planet:
> >
> >Scene where Lucius and Zira are stopped;
> >Nova Pregnant
>
> Nova's pregnancy was filmed, according to the Inkworks cards.
> Full Edward Robinson make-up test.
> Extra scenes of Heston chase
> Dialogue from Heston about the missing link between man and ape
>
> >Beneath:
> >
> >Longer Sauna dialogue;
>
> Make-up tests - especially the child
> Any extra footage involving the mutant society - e.g. the children

playing -

> I'm sure this was intended to be in the original version but ended up only
> being visible in one of the mutant projections on the wall when Brent is
> interogated
> Extra snippets of Ursus' speech
>
> >Escape:
> >
> >Scena at the beginning with Astro Apes/Earth being destroyed;
> >
> >Conquest:
> >
> >Ape being gunned down at beginning
>
> Missing scenes of violence / original ending
> Breck threatening a gorilla while a soldier holds him (does this exist, or
> is only in stills?)
> Breck's death (was this shot?)
>
> >Battle:
> >
> >Aldo on the School Bus
>
> Extra scenes from teacher chase
> Entire bomb subplot (at least we know this exists!)
>
> Commentaries I'd like:
> Goldsmith, Rosenman & Scott (I'm a fan of the music)
> J. Lee Thompson (the most obvious choice, surely)
> Kim Hunter
>
> There are others too, but people like Heston, Abrahams, Creber, Chambers
> etc. would be great but would probably be repeating a lot of the
> documentary. Perhaps an audio commentary combining snippets from all of
> these people along with the various other less famous actors and crew.
>
> TV series and cartoon I agree would be best left for a separate release...
> although from a sales perspective perhaps including them on a couple of
> extra disks with this set would be better.
>
> And of course it goes without saying - remastered soundtrack, Behind
> documentary, cinema trailers, adverts, Oscar presentation, perhaps a spoof
> or two (Fox do own the Simpsons after all...), etc.
>
> So Michael, have you really been in contact with someone at Fox or is this
> just a con to get us all talking about fun things again? :-)
>
> The thing is, Fox probably wouldn't be prepared to put all the effort into
> it... little do they know that they've got a dedicated group of fans here
> who would do it for nothing!
>
> I'm annoyed, I'm sure there is lots I'm forgetting...
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>

<< Geez, I thought I was the only person in the world that remembered these
things. You should see the looks on people's faces when I try to explain
what these were. How cool was it to be a kid in the 70's? >>


I have that as a fridge magnet too.

<< Watching a video/DVD is a very personal experience, whereas watching a
broadcast is more of a collective one. >>

Yeah, that's why every parent should get their kid a radio. When they can't
sleep, and put on some tunes, it comforting to know someone's awake spinning
the discs.
Mine was a blue Sony ball and chain. Loved that radio! My Brother had a
yellow one. And a friend had the ring radio in red that twists open. But
this isn't the 70s nostalgia group. It's those dang Whackypacks that got me
started!

<< I just couldn't believe they'd blown up the Earth! Not too many
films can

> claim to have done that!

I don't think ANY other films can claim that now that I think about it. >>

Dr. Strange Love.

In a message dated 4/7/01 4:49:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< "Dr. Strangelove" comes to mind. >>

Ha! You beat me to that one.

In a message dated 4/7/01 4:55:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< "Chuckles"?!! That's great, I haven't laughed so hard all week.
"Chuckles" it is>>

Yeah, I can't help it. He's Chuckles the Clown. He's funny 'cause he's
serious.
And he knows it. The Bud Lite commercials are a great example.
He should do a SNL sketch, where he's really lost it and thinks he really is
Moses, and Taylor, and Ben-Hur, etc... He could run around doing quotes. . .
"Soylent Green is made out of people!" That Real Audio toon of him is one
of the funniest things I've ever seen!

In a message dated 4/7/01 5:01:40 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Please call Lou Wagner. I'm dying to hear what he thinks of himself in
plastic. >>

Ditto! I bet he never thought he'd make the action figures.
How cool is that?

<< As someone who used to catch Heston almost every time he was on the old
Johnny Carson show, I can certainly confirm his redundancy factor. >>

Uh oh, look what I've started. Hey, we've all got our own repertoire of
interesting stories. I sometimes get tired of friends a family telling
theirs and even my own.
Charlie Hero...that's a good one! Hadn't heard that. But I'll admit I'd
rather hear the old stories than hear about his cameo in Any Given Sunday.
Did anyone else notice he was also on the TV in a scene as Ben Hur as well.
What was Ollie Stone smoking that day?

In a message dated 4/7/01 5:14:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< This is really driving me nuts! I can swear I read an interview with
Harrison (That's Linda, not Pete) where she said they never actually rolled
camera on the pregnancy stuff. >>

I've seen stills so someone was shooting it. Maybe it didn't play so stills
are all they got. I was looking at the script today when that Get vs Take
question came up. Somebody screwed up the names in the blocking directions.
It has Zira falling to her knees and puking. And Lucius says Your mate is
sick!

Who hasn't seen The Day The Earth Stood Still?
It's on Monday night on AMC.
I think it's 10pm Eastern.
So no excuses.
They mentioned something I hadn't really thought about.
It's an anti-nuke flick made at the height of the cold war.
Soooooooo . . . Fox can be brave when they want to be.

In a message dated 4/7/01 7:03:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Yeah, Like "What is your position on gun control?". >>

I find that a prone position or a two handed stance works best, Mike.

In a message dated 4/7/01 8:40:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Cinescape's website has more on that "Apes" sex scene from supposed
"insiders". Those who want NO spoilers should stay away. >>

We all new that anyway.
There's one for the DVD thought.

In a message dated 4/8/01 3:32:55 AM, kentaylor@... writes:

<<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=577723291>>

In that auction, the seller wrote:

Every KISS fan is a POTA fan. This is a resin casting of Gen Ursus head
with Gene Simmons makeup on it. Solid and can be used as a pencil
topper. Buyer to pay shipping. Email any questions to me at
Zaius53761@...

Yeah, I have a question....WHY????

Ken, I liked your subject line.

Matt (Ape Fan and KISS fan)

In a message dated 4/8/01 4:59:44 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<<Yeah, I can't help it. He's Chuckles the Clown. He's funny 'cause he's
serious.
And he knows it. The Bud Lite commercials are a great example.
He should do a SNL sketch, where he's really lost it and thinks he really is
Moses, and Taylor, and Ben-Hur, etc... He could run around doing quotes. . .
"Soylent Green is made out of people!" That Real Audio toon of him is one
of the funniest things I've ever seen!>>

Heston made a guest appearance on the sit-com "The Weber Show" this season.
He played himself, but he had amnesia and didn't know who he was. They guys
on the show were showing him videos of himself to get him to remember. He was
watching POTA and said "Hey, those monkeys can act." (Or something to that
effect). It was kind of funny.

Matt

I was looking at buying the Sarabande Planet of the Apes soundtrack. What's the verdict ? Is it as good as the Conan soundtrack with great liner notes and all - Curious Jeff

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 2:50:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

I'm probably the only person on the planet who thought Matrix was
crap.

No you weren't.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 10:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

1st thing:Don't get me wrong,I think "ESCAPE" is pretty good,but am I the
only one that thinks it should not have been so "light"?I myself liked the
way the novelization of it wasn't so cute (for lack of a better term).To
me,the book is better.Any comments from the group ?

Maybe it shouldn't have been so "light" or a better word "larky," but it
worked for me as a kid, and now, except for the makeup not being as good as
in the original, it still works -- if you don't think too much on how those
chimps got Taylor's spaceship back in orbit, and where they thought they were
going in the first place.

As for the novelizations...  ESCAPE's and CONQUEST's were excellent.  I
haven't read them since the Seventies, but I remember thinking then they were
better than the films.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/7/01 10:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

2nd:Do any group members know if there is any way to read the Apes
heiroglyphics?
In issue #13 of POTA from the 70s,Bill Blake and Paula Crist kind of give
their opinions on the subject,but I'm not sure if I think their comments
are
right.Two examples they give are:the "half moon"over the chest symbol means
"doctor".Well if thats true,explain the "half moon" on the female gorilla's
outfit.
They also say the chest plate symbol its self means "scientist".Again,I
question this.If that is true,why does Julius have one?Granted its not
quite
the same as the chimps,but he does have one,and he certainly isn't a
scientist.And the female gorilla also has a chest symbol.Hell,even the
child
gorilla has one.So maybe the 'glyphic design means something,but having one
doesn't necessarily mean you have a certain position.I'm not saying this is
or isn't true,because I really don't know.I always thought of the
heiroglyphics as having a meaning of having status,but I never gave any
thought to them being assigned to your occupation.It could be true,after
all
the tv series medical Apes all seem to have the design with the snake on
it.And the general gorillas seem to have the same designs on their helmets
and chest plate on their collar.Then again,look at the council Apes on the
tv
show,they are the Supreme Council,highest position in the Ape world and
they
don't always have heiroglyphics on their outfits,so I really can't say
anything on this subject.
So does anybody know if there really is a way that you can read them,and if
the designs on them really do show the occupation they hold?Any ideas on
this
(especially ones that could be supported by the costume designers
themselves)?

Mlccougar, please listen to me when I tell you that if you think about this
too long --- you'll go MAD!!!

They were just decoration, man!  But when I was kid I always thought the one
Cornelius and Zira had on their chests sort of looked like E=Mc2, and they
were supposed to be the intellectuals after all.

Well.... you asked.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 12:12:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dotenj@... writes:

I was looking at buying the Sarabande Planet of the Apes soundtrack. What's
the verdict ? Is it as good as the Conan soundtrack with great liner notes
and all - Curious Jeff

Well, I don't know about the Conan soundtrack, but the Sarabande PLANET OF
THE APES soundtrack CD has fairly good liner notes, written by POTA fan and
writer for Film Score Monthly, Jeff Bond.  I, of course, would have liked
more, but that's just me -- I'm never satisfied.  But as someone who collects
film scores on CD, I say that owning the Jerry Goldsmith score to PLANET OF
THE APES is a must, whether you're a fan of the film or not.  It's a classic
score.

Get the CD.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 4:59:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

That Real Audio toon of him is one
of the funniest things I've ever seen!

I'm with you there, T.  It was fantastic.  I just wish I had it on tape.

-- Rory

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.html I think we've been through this discussion before.  The only one I have been able to get any info about, although not conclusive, are the Chimp Scientist glyphs.  They are obviously an interesting homage to Einstein's "E=MC2"  (see attached).

• The first character of the glyph is most recognizably an "E",
• the "=" sign is represented by the two dots within the stems of the "E".
• The "M" of the equation is represented by the two vertical and one broken lines that follow the "E".
• The character representing the "squared" "2" is the last character, which resembles a 2 with a closed tail.
• The missing "C" from the equation is the half-moon symbol above the glyph patch.

As far as meanings of other characters and glyphs, I know that Julius' glyph is the same as other gorilla guards even though you never see the guards shirts (they always have their leather vests on).

The sergeant and lieutenant gorillas sport ranking glyphs on their sashes. The lieutenant displays 3 on the back, and at least one on the front between the two wallets.  He may have 1 or 2 more on the front wrapping up and over the shoulder, but it's been a while since I've looked at pics of him.

The child gorilla and orangutan priest share the same glyph, so what does that mean, if anything?

The orangs all share a varying degree of glyph patterns, the highest ranking being Whitmore's President of the Assembly character who's costume is heavily laden with large glyph patches.

As far as meanings to the glyph patterns, I think it would be great to dig up the ol' costume designers and art department folks and ask them questions about this.  Who knows?  They could just be cool designs that work well as compositions on the wardrobes.

Who wants to write to Bill Creber or Morton Haack's estate?

Brian
 

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/7/01 10:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:
 
 

2nd:Do any group members know if there is any way to read the Apes
heiroglyphics?
In issue #13 of POTA from the 70s,Bill Blake and Paula Crist kind of give
their opinions on the subject,but I'm not sure if I think their comments
are
right.Two examples they give are:the "half moon"over the chest symbol means
"doctor".Well if thats true,explain the "half moon" on the female gorilla's
outfit.
They also say the chest plate symbol its self means "scientist".Again,I
question this.If that is true,why does Julius have one?Granted its not
quite
the same as the chimps,but he does have one,and he certainly isn't a
scientist.And the female gorilla also has a chest symbol.Hell,even the
child
gorilla has one.So maybe the 'glyphic design means something,but having one
doesn't necessarily mean you have a certain position.I'm not saying this is
or isn't true,because I really don't know.I always thought of the
heiroglyphics as having a meaning of having status,but I never gave any
thought to them being assigned to your occupation.It could be true,after
all
the tv series medical Apes all seem to have the design with the snake on
it.And the general gorillas seem to have the same designs on their helmets
and chest plate on their collar.Then again,look at the council Apes on the
tv
show,they are the Supreme Council,highest position in the Ape world and
they
don't always have heiroglyphics on their outfits,so I really can't say
anything on this subject.
So does anybody know if there really is a way that you can read them,and if
the designs on them really do show the occupation they hold?Any ideas on
this
(especially ones that could be supported by the costume designers
themselves)?

Mlccougar, please listen to me when I tell you that if you think about this
too long --- you'll go MAD!!!

They were just decoration, man!  But when I was kid I always thought the one
Cornelius and Zira had on their chests sort of looked like E=Mc2, and they
were supposed to be the intellectuals after all.

Well.... you asked.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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.htmlA few weeks ago, Matt of MI, asked if anyone knew anthing about the 'Planet
of the Men' script written by Pierre Boulle.  Since all I knew was what I'd
read, I posted a excerpt of Eric Greene's book on it.  Then someone posted
where the script could be bought.  I contacted Matt privately about this and
we agreed that I'd get the script and he'd pay me to send him a copy.  The
greater idea was that after we'd both read it, we'd then carry on a series of
postings discussing this script in detail.  As far as I was concerned I'd
probably excerpt parts of it so you all could read some of what we had.  
We're both ready to start this.

However, some of you may not like to have this script 'spoiled' for you, so
I'd like to hear from the group if anyone objects.  Matt agrees and in fact
was the first to suggest I make this posting.

If anyone here would like a copy of the PLANET OF THE MEN script, I'd be
happy to send them one if they would contact me privately at:  
Haristas@...

I will have to ask that those in the US send me $15 for the cost of making a
copy and mailing it.  I think this is a fair sum.  Those in Australia or
England would probably have to pay me something like 20 to 25 US dollars, but
I'm not sure.  I'd send it Global Priority Mail and tell you after it's sent
how much it all cost.  Anyone who doesn't pay gets called 'a very bad man (or
woman)' by me here for all to see.

Knowing this group as I think I do, probably most of you couldn't care less
what Matt and I do.  That's fine, you're only 'human.'  It's just that we're
trying to make the postings here a little more interesting, but then such is
the folly of man.

-- Rory<.html

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>Does anyone out there collect original APES movie theatre posters, lobby
>cards and stills?

I'd like to, but sadly collecting original posters isn't a cheap hobby. I
collect some original items, but in most cases I think I'd settle for a
decent quality reprint.

>Lobby cards, 11"x14" These are printed on card stock and usually come

eight

>to a set in the US. In other countries though they will vary in size and
>number per set.

Some of these I have - a Conquest set from France (I have 9 of them, I have
no idea if there are more in the set or not), which measure 11" by about
8.5". I like them, but they're certainly not as good as the usual 8x10 lobby
cards. I also have a set of these ones (8 in the set I think) which I think
are excellent.

Nothing to do with lobby cards really, but I like the mass-produced 8x10
photographs - they're good quality and cheap, so they're a decent
alternative to lobby cards if you're just looking for something nice to
stick in frame or have signed by an actor or whatever.

>British quad poster, 40"x30" This poster is the standard British size, an
>oblong image.

I have two of these, I don't when they're from (i.e. whether they're from
the original releases or a later reissues - I am assuming the latter). One
is the poster for Beneath, which I absolutely love. The other is the double
bill of Battle with The Neptune Factor - this one isn't quite so good as the
image of a gorilla holding a mutant aloft is one of the weakest PotA poster
images I've seen. Still, at least it isn't like the foreign version of the
same picture, which features flying saucers and things like that.

Both are folded, but otherwise in pretty good condition (slight wear round
the edges). To be honest I'd have been foolish to turn them down since they
were both under a tenner each.

>There is also the PLANET British quad. This is a poster I wish I had.

Well if we're talking about ones we wish we had, I could go on forever. But
one in particular - despite the fact that it gives away the ending and that
the illustration isn't that great, I find the polish one ("Planeta Malp" or
whatever, it's one of the ones that Rory said was in the Film Posters of the
60s book) really striking, and wouldn't mind one of them.

That's all for now.

Alan

In a message dated 4/8/01 9:54:13 AM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< Heston made a guest appearance on the sit-com "The Weber Show" this
season. He played himself, but he had amnesia and didn't know who he was. >>

I saw part of that! It was great at the end where he was only pretending to
have gotten his memory back to keep getting a free ride on Heston's name.

In a message dated 4/8/01 11:12:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
dotenj@... writes:

<< I was looking at buying the Sarabande Planet of the Apes soundtrack.
What's the verdict ? >>

I have it! It's quite good, as good as the Intrada and comes with the Escape
suite.
The liner notes have me pissed off! How could a Fox authorized soundtrack
print Kevin Hunter instead of Kim! Even one of Heston's book had Kim Stanley
under one of the photos though. That shit really pisses me off! Kim Stanley
I can kind of understand. Like Kim Hunter she was a top notch classic
Broadway actress. But Kevin Stanley's a dude, and only been acting about ten
years! Don't they have any proofreaders? Where do they get this stuff!?!

.htmlPoor Chuck has been taking an awful beating here recently and rightly so --
he puts in his ultra-conservative two cents in all the time about this or
that, and apparently has the ego to keep it going to his dying day.  One of
the funniest descriptions of him I ever read was when Spy Magazine called him
"a right-wing, rug-wearing pomposity."

But, I can't help but feel sorry for old 'Charlie Hero,' as Roddy McDowall
used to call him.  It's just so pathetic seeing how completely blind he is to
what an ass he's made of himself.

Still, he was my favorite movie star when I was a kid.  I loved 'ya, man!  
So, I thought I'd talk a little about my favorite 'Charlie Hero' movies, and
the rest of you APES movie-loving pomposities can reply with your hopefully
hilarious comments.

DARK CITY (1950)  Chuck's first movie and an okay film noir.  Chuck thinks he
looks fat in it.  I guess so, but what's really funny for me is here he is in
his first movie and already Charlton Heston is 'Charlton Heston' --  and
that's what you're gonna get from now on.  What a guy!

THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH (1952) In this 'hard-to-watch-cause-it's-so-hokey'
DeMille extravaganza, Chuck is almost killed in a train wreck, but an
elephant helps save him and the circus is back on the road.  What a guy!  The
interesting thing in this movie is that near the beginning Chuck hugs a baby
gorilla.  Little does Chuck know what's to come!

THE SAVAGE (1952)  Chuck plays a white guy raised by Indians.  Chuck is a
wooden Indian in this movie, which is bad, bad, bad, BUT fun at times to
watch.

THE PRESIDENT'S LADY (1953)  Chuck plays 'Old Hickory' Andrew Jackson for the
first time.  The second was in 1958's THE BUCCANEER.  Chuck liked playing
Jackson.  Jackson was one of our Presidents, as Chuck often reminds us.  
Jackson liked killing Indians, as Chuck doesn't often remind us.  This is an
okay movie, but sort of just fair.

PONY EXPRESS (1953) Ah, now he's vintage Chuck, the Heston we all know and
love as Buffalo Bill Cody.  He kicks butt, kills Indians, and rides off at
the end with his heart broken 'cause his girl dies.  He also wears a silly
hat, but that's okay because the movie is mostly tongue-in-cheek and very
watchable.  Check it out.

ARROWHEAD (1953)  Chuck is back and he's killing more Indians, including a
very pissed-off Jack Palance.  This movie's not great, but not bad either.

THE NAKED JUNGLE (1953)  Chuck vs. army ants!!  This one is good.  Heston is
a real bastard in it, but I think that's because he's a virgin!  Yes, I said
virgin.  Anyway, he becomes a hero after he gets laid.  What does this have
to do with fighting army ants?  Watch it and find out.

SECRET OF THE INCAS (1954)  Chuck is like an Indiana Jones guy in this one.  
The movie isn't that good, but it's got Chuck in it, so I watch it.

THE FAR HORIZONS (1955)  The story of the Lewis and Clark expidedition is
made dull in this movie.  Fred MacMurray plays Lewis, Chuck is Clark.  Chuck
gets to fight more Indians in this one, and I think he bangs Sacajawea, but
because this is a Fifties' movie they don't show it.  DAMN!!!

THE PRIVATE WAR OF MAJOR BENSON (1955) This is a comedy and it's good, and
Chuck is good in it.  Who would have guessed?  Sal Mineo is also in it, POTA
fans, but I don't know.... Sal Mineo at a boy's military school?  There's
another movie in here, if you know what I mean?

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (1956)  As I write this, this movie is on tonight.  It's
like on every year.  It's another hokey DeMille extravaganza.  I think it's
so bad it's funny.  Chuck plays Moses, of course, and he looks very serious
about it.  I think why is because he believes all this stuff.  Poor deluded
Chuck.  This movie made him a big star, and I think got the big star 'ego'
thing going full blast with ol' Chuck.  Chuck, Chuck,  "You stubborn,
splendid, adorable fool!"  GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

I'm gonna have to continue this thing with a sequel.  I'm getting to feeling
kind of Chucked-out, so I'm going to Chuck-it for now.

To be continued....

-- Rory

<.html

In a message dated 4/7/01 5:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Loved the refrigerator magnet comment, too! >>

It's true!
I do have those magnets.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 4:32:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

I'd like to, but sadly collecting original posters isn't a cheap hobby. I
collect some original items, but in most cases I think I'd settle for a
decent quality reprint.

Hey Alan,

Nice response.  I found it very interesting.  If anyone is interested, I work
in a professional film lab and I've created a "decent quality reprint" of the
American half-sheet from PLANET OF THE APES.  I've sent one to Jeff Krueger
and I think he thinks it's 'decent.'  I'm going to have to figure a way to
get a scan of it to post here, then if anyone would like one we can talk.  I
don't know if 20th Century-Fox would object -- I don't think they have rights
to poster reprints, but I'm probably wrong.  More later.

-- Rory
<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 4:32:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

I have it!  It's quite good, as good as the Intrada and comes with the
Escape
suite.
The liner notes have me pissed off!  How could a Fox authorized soundtrack
print Kevin Hunter instead of Kim!  Even one of Heston's book had Kim
Stanley
under one of the photos though.  That shit really pisses me off!  Kim
Stanley
I can kind of understand.  Like Kim Hunter she was a top notch classic
Broadway actress.  But Kevin Stanley's a dude, and only been acting about
ten
years!  Don't they have any proofreaders?  Where do they get this stuff!?!

T, you magnificent bastard!  Yeah, there are mistakes in the notes, like
crediting Paul Dehn with re-writing Serling's script.  Where were the proof
readers on this thing!  It's got one of the production sketches reproduced.  
But what are we talking about here, T?!!!!

This is Jerry Goldsmith!!!  This is POTA!!!

nuf said

-- Rory<.html

Speaking of photos with something wrong in them.
You know in Battle when Caesar says...Now fight like apes!
And his chin piece is about falling off his jaw.
They try and fog it out but you can still tell.
I just got a Lawgiver for a fried of mines birthday, as a desk decoration.
Funny, but that's the exact frame they chose to use for the card.
What the hell? You can see his lip and everything.

In a message dated 4/7/01 6:26:57 PM Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@...
writes:

<< True,but you could ask him the most original question in the world and
he'd
still give the same stock answers. >>

I have to agree there. He might start to answer your question, but he's wind
his way back to the stories eventually. I think he just wants to read his
charming lines and go home. But I like Chuck, even if he is kinda full of it.

There's another film I saw a week or so ago. I can't recall the name, but
Gregory Peck plays a Sea captain who goes out west, and he and Chuck beat the
shit out of each other. It was Great!

And speaking of bad experiences with ebay, the guy selling this abomination
had a Urko "Fantasy Pez" on ebay a couple of years ago.

Having lived a sheltered life, I thought a Fantasy Pez was a particular
brand of Pez, not a backyard self made knock off!

So when I realized, I did not want the product.

This guy went totally ape shit!

Can anyone imagine who would want Ursus doing a Gene Simmons?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 5:22
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] I was made for hunting you baby...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=577723291

Now, this made me laugh.
Gotta be a spin off comic idea in there someplace!

****Minor Spoilers ahead****
But nothing you should have heard already.

Yet again Hollywood takes the movie they should have made!
And the movie we should have seen and pisses in it, like a porn director who
keeps showing the dude's face. Pardon the colorful metaphore. I sure hope
Burton plans on a directors cut or DVD extras or something. But he's
starting to sound like a Chihuahua carting wuss, who knuckled under to
pressure from the Hollywood bigwigs. To paraphrase DeNiro . . .
One day a real apes movie will be made.


Excerpts from Reel.com
In case you haven't figured what I'm talking about.

*****

Well, they kiss at one point, but then so did Heston and Hunter.

It would have worked, too. The script I read — a five-month-old draft by
William Broyles, with revisions by Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal —
builds Leo and Ari's relationship nicely, step by emotional step, to the
point where I was fairly prepared to accept a moment of physical intimacy
between them. The word had been that Burton wanted to go for it, but I guess
he wimped out. Or he was pressured into dropping it. Or the rumors were wrong
to begin with.

Or maybe Burton decided to heat things up after all, and it's just not in the
script.

There's actually a romantic triangle of sorts between Wahlberg,
Bonham-Carter, and Estella Warren, who plays a feral human named Daena.

You'd figure with these two females nurturing feelings for the sexy,
courageous Wahlberg, whose Leo turns into a kind of reluctant revolutionary
hero, and with Warren starting to hiss at Bonham-Carter as their rivalry
grows, that Burton would want to resolve this with some kind of … well,
payoff. Why plant the seeds if you don't want sprouts?

That scene on Any Given Sunday was disturbing, wasn't it?

I really thought that was an average movie (and I usually love Oliver
Stone) - guess I needed it to be about Rugby or Australian Rules
Football.......I usually love Pacino to and I am in love with Cameron Diaz.

I think Stone might have been snorting and smoking that day. Was there a
subliminal message do you think?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 19:11
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Charlton Heston AOL Live Chat (it's long!)

<< As someone who used to catch Heston almost every time he was on the old
Johnny Carson show, I can certainly confirm his redundancy factor. >>

Uh oh, look what I've started. Hey, we've all got our own repertoire of
interesting stories. I sometimes get tired of friends a family telling
theirs and even my own.
Charlie Hero...that's a good one! Hadn't heard that. But I'll admit I'd
rather hear the old stories than hear about his cameo in Any Given Sunday.
Did anyone else notice he was also on the TV in a scene as Ben Hur as well.
What was Ollie Stone smoking that day?

.html In a message dated 4/8/01 2:50:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

I'm probably the only person on the planet who thought Matrix was
crap.

No you weren't.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 4:06:40 PM Central Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

.  I think he just wants to read his
charming lines and go home.  But I like Chuck, even if he is kinda full of
it.

I never said I had anything against him either,to me he IS Taylor,they made
the right choice there.All I ever said was that in an interview,he could be a
little more spontaneous in answering the questions.He can get off of his
"scripted" answers and be a little more in depth too.

<.html

.html
<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 4:33:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

And speaking of bad experiences with ebay, the guy selling this abomination
had a Urko "Fantasy Pez" on ebay a couple of years ago.

Having lived a sheltered life, I thought a Fantasy Pez was a particular
brand of Pez, not a backyard self made knock off!

So when I realized, I did not want the product.

This guy went totally ape shit!

Can anyone imagine who would want Ursus doing a Gene Simmons?

Granted,I wouldn't want the Ursus as Kiss item he is offering,but I've dealt
with guy before.He was very honest in his dealing with me.I did a good trade
with him.So,don't think because of this one item that he's crazy.He was fair
to deal with when I traded with him and I'm sure he still is.

<.html

There's actually a romantic triangle of sorts between Wahlberg,
Bonham-Carter, and Estella Warren, who plays a feral human named Daena

I just wanna say this is looking more like Planet of the Rape every
day.......

Michael

.html In a message dated 4/8/01 4:06:40 PM Central Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

.  I think he just wants to read his
charming lines and go home.  But I like Chuck, even if he is kinda full of
it.

I never said I had anything against him either,to me he IS Taylor,they made
the right choice there.All I ever said was that in an interview,he could be a
little more spontaneous in answering the questions.He can get off of his
"scripted" answers and be a little more in depth too.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 4:46:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

If you start formulating opinions similar to those held by Rory, there's a
whole world of negativity labelling awaiting you.....

Hey,so far from what I've read,Rory seems to be of the same opinion as me on
a lot of the things he says.I think his truthfullness is being regarded as
"negative".It shouldn't be.His points are as valid as all of the "positive"
remarks I've read,to me even more cuz I do think he is right on a lot of
stuff he says.

I know he's not too fond of the sequels or tv series.I am.But that doesn't
mean that some of his opinions on their shortcomings don't have some validity
to them.(Bad makeups being one thing I agree with him on.).

So all I'm saying is look at what he is saying and think about it.Even if
he's knocking something you like doesn't mean that you have to take it
personally.And like me,you may even see that he can be right evevn when he's
critiquing something you like.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 5:01:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

There's actually a romantic triangle of sorts between Wahlberg,
Bonham-Carter, and Estella Warren, who plays a feral human named Daena

That is all just sick.The movie sucks as it is without bringing bestiality
into it.What the hell is wrong with those people?

<.html

.html In a message dated 4/8/01 4:33:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

And speaking of bad experiences with ebay, the guy selling this abomination
had a Urko "Fantasy Pez" on ebay a couple of years ago.

Having lived a sheltered life, I thought a Fantasy Pez was a particular
brand of Pez, not a backyard self made knock off!

So when I realized, I did not want the product.

This guy went totally ape shit!

Can anyone imagine who would want Ursus doing a Gene Simmons?

Granted,I wouldn't want the Ursus as Kiss item he is offering,but I've dealt
with guy before.He was very honest in his dealing with me.I did a good trade
with him.So,don't think because of this one item that he's crazy.He was fair
to deal with when I traded with him and I'm sure he still is.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 5:02:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

I can't help thinking Paul Newman would have been just as good, or even
Clint Eastwood.

Eastwood maybe could have pulled it off,but I'm not sure about Newman.He
doesn't quite have the right type of personality for the role.I don't think
he would have been right for it.I mean in "Cool Hand Luke" he was cocky,but
he he wasn't cynical enough.I don't think he could have been in "Apes" either.
<.html

.html In a message dated 4/8/01 4:46:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

If you start formulating opinions similar to those held by Rory, there's a
whole world of negativity labelling awaiting you.....

Hey,so far from what I've read,Rory seems to be of the same opinion as me on
a lot of the things he says.I think his truthfullness is being regarded as
"negative".It shouldn't be.His points are as valid as all of the "positive"
remarks I've read,to me even more cuz I do think he is right on a lot of
stuff he says.

I know he's not too fond of the sequels or tv series.I am.But that doesn't
mean that some of his opinions on their shortcomings don't have some validity
to them.(Bad makeups being one thing I agree with him on.).

So all I'm saying is look at what he is saying and think about it.Even if
he's knocking something you like doesn't mean that you have to take it
personally.And like me,you may even see that he can be right evevn when he's
critiquing something you like.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

.html In a message dated 4/8/01 5:01:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

There's actually a romantic triangle of sorts between Wahlberg,
Bonham-Carter, and Estella Warren, who plays a feral human named Daena

That is all just sick.The movie sucks as it is without bringing bestiality
into it.What the hell is wrong with those people?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

Michael,

You can say anything you want to about me. That goes for everybody else, even little guy Brian, wherever he is.

Mlccougar,

Lighten up,dude. You're too serious. I mostly am on the thing for some laughs and to share the ape shit I know but haven't had any friends who cared to hear about it. At least people here want to talk apes. Other than that, you're okay.

-- Rory

.html

>From: MTotsky@...

>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA and Star Trek

>I sent this link out a few weeks ago and no one responded, so I'll send it

>again.

>

>I found this piece of fan fiction that tied the POTA TV series (and some

>elements of the first two films) to Star Trek: The Next Generation. I am not

>a big Star Trek fan (I respect it, but have never felt compelled to jump on

>the bandwagon), but I knew enough about it to make this enjoyable. Still, I

>thought this story was pretty clever. If you are a fan of both series, you

>may find this cool:

>

>http://verona.simplenet.com/alt.fan.q/general/Evol-Q-tion

>

>Let me know what you think.

>

>Matt

<.html

You're welcome. John

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 5:27:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Well I disagree.

He was extremely rude and un co-operative.  He claimed I was trying to run
a scam because I did not want to buy the rubbish he was selling.  He
actually challenged my IQ because I was not an expert on what is official
Pez and what is rubbish made in someone's backyard.  I would have bought it
if it was official, but it was not and I felt he should have advertised it
as such.

Sure, he's got a good feedback rating and no negative feedback so he could
be a good person to deal with normally.

Would you be happier if I did not mention my totally Apes related BAD
experience with the guy?

I am not the only one who thinks he is on another Planet himself for
choosing to put Kiss make up on an ape - it is a totally ridiculous thing
to do - if I may be entitled to an opinion.

And unless his effort is SUPPOSED to be abstract, it is a very poor attempt.


By the way, if you really did deal with this person, he forgot to leave
feedback for you.  Are you sure it was this person?  What did you buy?

Michael


Michael,

If you were treated the way you said you were,I can certainly see why you
would be mad at him.I was NOT trying to come across as defending him.You have
a right to be pissed off.

And no,I am very glad that you chose to voice your bad dealing with him.A
week or two ago,I myself kind of asked the group to tell of any bad
experiences they may have had with dealers.(As well praising those dealers
they think went out of their way to treat the customers right.)

As far as him making Ursus into Gene Simmons,I am TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THAT!!!
It is not cool,and it makes a mockery of Apes.I sure the hell wouldn't want
it.

AND YES I REALLY DID DEAL WITH HIM.WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK I WOULD GAIN BY
SAYING I DID IF I DIDN'T?!? I didn't receive feedback from him,nor did he
from me,because I dealt with him off of eBay,therefore we couldn't leave
feedback if we wanted to.My dealing with him started because I looked at one
of his ads,and he was looking for a certain trading card.I happened to have
one,as well as several others he needed so we worked out a trade via
email.Why I am even telling YOU this is beyond me.It really is none of your
business,but since I said it,I said it and I'll leave it for everyone to
read.I don't care.

You don't have to be so questioning of me because you had a bad dealing with
him,work it out with him.I'm not the one you should be pissed at.All I said
was that he was fair to me,I never said he was good (or bad) in dealing with
you.And unless he would piss me off personally,I would deal with him
again,either on eBay or off because he was fair to me.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 5:39:14 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Mlccougar,

Lighten up,dude.  You're too serious.  I mostly am on the thing for some
laughs and to share the ape shit I know but haven't had any friends who
cared to hear about it.  At least people here want to talk apes.  Other
than that, you're okay.

-- Rory

Rory,

Say what you want about me,I don't care.Maybe I am too serious.But I'd rather
be too serious,rather than not serious enough.I don't like too see Apes being
made fun of.I am not so hardcore of a fan that I watch it 24/7 or anything
like that,but it really bugs me when people try to be "cute" with it.I don't
think its funny.I can live without all the Apes references on "The Simpsons"
too.Again,not funny or clever.

Now I'm sure more people will be thinking I should lighten up.Go ahead and
say it.Thats your opinion,as these are mine.

<.html

In a message dated 4/8/01 1:49:49 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<> I'm probably the only person on the planet who thought Matrix was

> crap.
>

No you weren't.

-- Rory>>

Ditto!

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 4/8/01 5:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

How do you know this movie sucks?

Speaking of beastiality, what do you think of the kiss between Chuck and
Zira?

And what of the original Beneath idea to have half mutants/half apes?

Michael


I know this movie sucks in the same way that a lot of people in this group
seem to think its the greatest movie ever made.Its a pre-conceived
opinion,but as far as I'm concerned,my opinion on this won't change.Its like
lets say you don't think you like a certain style of music or something.You
are gonna think its a waste of time no matter what others are saying.That is
how I feel about this movie,and you won't convince me otherwise.

And as far as your question about the Zira/Taylor kiss,that is really not
bestiality.I did not see them trying "do it",did you?All it was was a
goodbye,not romantically inclined.Zira was even hesitant to kiss Taylor,and
she did tell him "You're so damned ugly",so you see she was in no way
attracted to him.There was no sex between them.

And I am SO GLAD that they didn't do the half ape/half human bit.That would
have ruined Planet of the Apes right there.But thankfully they came to their
senses and did not go thru with it.I guess it took Fox  30 years to ruin Apes
with that new movie of theirs.<.html

Michael Whitty, have a nice day. Alexander Ruiz, thanks for the help.
MFLulder, thanks to you too. Cheers. pjh

In a message dated 4/7/01 5:10:41 PM, lawford42@... writes:

<<Geez, I thought I was the only person in the world that remembered these
things. You should see the looks on people's faces when I try to explain
what these were.

How cool was it to be a kid in the 70's?


Chris L.>>

Yeah Chris, they had some cool stuff back then. Check out this Wacky Pack:

http://www.wackypacks.net/originals/series12/pictures/brandy.jpg

Can you imagine someone making this today????

Matt

.html Generous offer Rory, but beware.
Fox would still hold rights to the imagery and advertising materials for the films. So it could well be a Liscencing and Merchandising issue. If you were to make a profit from reproduction posters, it could be perceived as pirating. Not that anyone on this group (that we know of) would squeal but I do know that Fox's L&M department is all over the net looking for people who are profiteering from unofficial merchandise based on their properties. As an official licensee, Brian of Apemania may be able to shed more light on the restrictions involved.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/8/01 4:32:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:
 

I'd like to, but sadly collecting original posters isn't a cheap hobby. I
collect some original items, but in most cases I think I'd settle for a
decent quality reprint.

 

Hey Alan,

Nice response.  I found it very interesting.  If anyone is interested, I work
in a professional film lab and I've created a "decent quality reprint" of the
American half-sheet from PLANET OF THE APES.  I've sent one to Jeff Krueger
and I think he thinks it's 'decent.'  I'm going to have to figure a way to
get a scan of it to post here, then if anyone would like one we can talk.  I
don't know if 20th Century-Fox would object -- I don't think they have rights
to poster reprints, but I'm probably wrong.  More later.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

 

<.html

.html Actually, I've never been so insulted in all my life!
Yeah, I know..maybe I should get out more.

I jest therefore... I am.

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Ummmm...Ken and I are good friends and I am actually poking fun at him and Rory - and I have no doubt they are both intelligent enough to work that out.Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mailto:mlccougar@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 8:07
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite opinion

In a message dated 4/8/01 4:46:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 

If you start formulating opinions similar to those held by Rory, there's a
whole world of negativity labelling awaiting you.....

 

Hey,so far from what I've read,Rory seems to be of the same opinion as me on
a lot of the things he says.I think his truthfullness is being regarded as
"negative".It shouldn't be.His points are as valid as all of the "positive"
remarks I've read,to me even more cuz I do think he is right on a lot of
stuff he says.

I know he's not too fond of the sequels or tv series.I am.But that doesn't
mean that some of his opinions on their shortcomings don't have some validity
to them.(Bad makeups being one thing I agree with him on.).

So all I'm saying is look at what he is saying and think about it.Even if
he's knocking something you like doesn't mean that you have to take it
personally.And like me,you may even see that he can be right evevn when he's
critiquing something you like.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

 

<.html

.html There was also a scene in the novelisation of BENEATH where a gorilla guard goes the grope on Mutant Albina's boob after she committed suicide. That's Bestiality PLUS Necrophilia..
a double taboo whammy!

mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/8/01 5:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 

How do you know this movie sucks?

Speaking of beastiality, what do you think of the kiss between Chuck and
Zira?

And what of the original Beneath idea to have half mutants/half apes?

Michael

 

I know this movie sucks in the same way that a lot of people in this group
seem to think its the greatest movie ever made.Its a pre-conceived
opinion,but as far as I'm concerned,my opinion on this won't change.Its like
lets say you don't think you like a certain style of music or something.You
are gonna think its a waste of time no matter what others are saying.That is
how I feel about this movie,and you won't convince me otherwise.

And as far as your question about the Zira/Taylor kiss,that is really not
bestiality.I did not see them trying "do it",did you?All it was was a
goodbye,not romantically inclined.Zira was even hesitant to kiss Taylor,and
she did tell him "You're so damned ugly",so you see she was in no way
attracted to him.There was no sex between them.

And I am SO GLAD that they didn't do the half ape/half human bit.That would
have ruined Planet of the Apes right there.But thankfully they came to their
senses and did not go thru with it.I guess it took Fox  30 years to ruin Apes
with that new movie of theirs.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

 

<.html

That's a riot! Gotta love that Pink elephant!

MTotsky@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/7/01 5:10:41 PM, lawford42@... writes:
>
> <<Geez, I thought I was the only person in the world that remembered these
> things. You should see the looks on people's faces when I try to explain
> what these were.
>
> How cool was it to be a kid in the 70's?
>
> Chris L.>>
>
> Yeah Chris, they had some cool stuff back then. Check out this Wacky Pack:
>
> http://www.wackypacks.net/originals/series12/pictures/brandy.jpg
>
> Can you imagine someone making this today????
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>

.html Thanks Matt,
It was either that or:
" I wanna rock n' roll all night and slaughter humans every day"
That's pretty much where my knowledge of Kiss songs ends.
Lucky for you all.
Best,
KEN

MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/8/01 3:32:55 AM, kentaylor@... writes:

<<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=577723291>>

In that auction, the seller wrote:

Every KISS fan is a POTA fan. This is a resin casting of Gen Ursus head
with Gene Simmons makeup on it. Solid and can be used as a pencil
topper. Buyer to pay shipping. Email any questions to me at
Zaius53761@...

Yeah, I have a question....WHY????

Ken, I liked your subject line.

Matt (Ape Fan and KISS fan)
 
 

 

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D'OH!

Michael Whitty wrote:

> It's you, you idiot!
>
> Oh shit, you left didn't you?
>
> Now who's the idiot?
>
> Damn you to hell for leaving!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 4:46
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set 2
>
> Hey Michael,
> Who have you found at Fox as a contact? Maybe I might know them. I did have
> contact with a variety of different people in the L.A. office during my time
> there.
> Best,
> KEN
>
> Michael Whitty wrote:
>
> > Hi Alan
> >
> > Yes I do have the ear of someone in Fox, but they are tired of fans just
> > saying "you guys suk - you don't listen to what we want", but never
> actually
> > saying what they do want!
> >
> > It makes sense to back up a request for improvement with suggestions of
> how
> > to make it happen.
> >
> > Rory, there may or may not be the originals we are looking for, but when
> we
> > have a comprehensive list we can get some answers about and is not
> > available/was or was not filmed. If there are sequences that were not
> fully
> > filmed, then we could suggest a gathering of all photographs with
> commentary
> > or something. The claim that everything that is out there was used on the
> > Behind documentary is false - did they use the "Battle" scenes we all know
> > exist? There is unquestionably more out there - even possibly some things
> > amongst Natalie's vaults (Jeff, did you find any POTA stuff?).
> >
> > I am also going to attempt to write an article on Planet of the Apes
> > Rarities which will compile comprehensively a list of what is out there
> (and
> > I will include rare comic books, toys etc).
> >
> > As I always say, when you know what is out there you can begin the search.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2001 5:58
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Set 2
> >
> > I'm going to cover lots of stuff that's probably already been said, but I
> > thought it'd help to have them all together. I'm sure someone would
> correct
> > me if I'm wrong or missed stuff:
> >
> > Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> > >Good response so far but now we need to get REALLY specific to tell them
> > >exactly what scenes we know/think exist.
> > >
> > >Let me begin:
> > >
> > >Planet:
> > >
> > >Scene where Lucius and Zira are stopped;
> > >Nova Pregnant
> >
> > Nova's pregnancy was filmed, according to the Inkworks cards.
> > Full Edward Robinson make-up test.
> > Extra scenes of Heston chase
> > Dialogue from Heston about the missing link between man and ape
> >
> > >Beneath:
> > >
> > >Longer Sauna dialogue;
> >
> > Make-up tests - especially the child
> > Any extra footage involving the mutant society - e.g. the children
> playing -
> > I'm sure this was intended to be in the original version but ended up only
> > being visible in one of the mutant projections on the wall when Brent is
> > interogated
> > Extra snippets of Ursus' speech
> >
> > >Escape:
> > >
> > >Scena at the beginning with Astro Apes/Earth being destroyed;
> > >
> > >Conquest:
> > >
> > >Ape being gunned down at beginning
> >
> > Missing scenes of violence / original ending
> > Breck threatening a gorilla while a soldier holds him (does this exist, or
> > is only in stills?)
> > Breck's death (was this shot?)
> >
> > >Battle:
> > >
> > >Aldo on the School Bus
> >
> > Extra scenes from teacher chase
> > Entire bomb subplot (at least we know this exists!)
> >
> > Commentaries I'd like:
> > Goldsmith, Rosenman & Scott (I'm a fan of the music)
> > J. Lee Thompson (the most obvious choice, surely)
> > Kim Hunter
> >
> > There are others too, but people like Heston, Abrahams, Creber, Chambers
> > etc. would be great but would probably be repeating a lot of the
> > documentary. Perhaps an audio commentary combining snippets from all of
> > these people along with the various other less famous actors and crew.
> >
> > TV series and cartoon I agree would be best left for a separate release...
> > although from a sales perspective perhaps including them on a couple of
> > extra disks with this set would be better.
> >
> > And of course it goes without saying - remastered soundtrack, Behind
> > documentary, cinema trailers, adverts, Oscar presentation, perhaps a spoof
> > or two (Fox do own the Simpsons after all...), etc.
> >
> > So Michael, have you really been in contact with someone at Fox or is this
> > just a con to get us all talking about fun things again? :-)
> >
> > The thing is, Fox probably wouldn't be prepared to put all the effort into
> > it... little do they know that they've got a dedicated group of fans here
> > who would do it for nothing!
> >
> > I'm annoyed, I'm sure there is lots I'm forgetting...
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

She's 80% human now so she's like a missing link.
Did anyone ever see that movie Skullduggery?

In a message dated 4/8/01 5:19:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Speaking of beastiality, what do you think of the kiss between Chuck and
Zira? >>

I'm with Paula Christ on this one. It needed it. It was a shame they didn't
in the book.

In a message dated 4/8/01 5:29:58 PM Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@...
writes:

<< to me he IS Taylor, >>

I have to agree. He's the go to guy for over the top Sci-fi. You I could
see Eastwood maybe doing Omega Man of Soylent Green but not Apes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 2:38
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite opinion

Actually, I've never been so insulted in all my life!
Yeah, I know..maybe I should get out more.

I jest therefore... I am.

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Ummmm...Ken and I are good friends and I am actually poking fun at him and Rory - and I have no doubt they are both intelligent enough to work that out.Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mailto:mlccougar@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 8:07
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite opinion

In a message dated 4/8/01 4:46:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 

If you start formulating opinions similar to those held by Rory, there's a
whole world of negativity labelling awaiting you.....

 

Hey,so far from what I've read,Rory seems to be of the same opinion as me on
a lot of the things he says.I think his truthfullness is being regarded as
"negative".It shouldn't be.His points are as valid as all of the "positive"
remarks I've read,to me even more cuz I do think he is right on a lot of
stuff he says.

I know he's not too fond of the sequels or tv series.I am.But that doesn't
mean that some of his opinions on their shortcomings don't have some validity
to them.(Bad makeups being one thing I agree with him on.).

So all I'm saying is look at what he is saying and think about it.Even if
he's knocking something you like doesn't mean that you have to take it
personally.And like me,you may even see that he can be right evevn when he's
critiquing something you like.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 2:46
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Air & Leo love scene

There was also a scene in the novelisation of BENEATH where a gorilla guard goes the grope on Mutant Albina's boob after she committed suicide. That's Bestiality PLUS Necrophilia..
a double taboo whammy!

mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/8/01 5:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 

How do you know this movie sucks?

Speaking of beastiality, what do you think of the kiss between Chuck and
Zira?

And what of the original Beneath idea to have half mutants/half apes?

Michael

 

I know this movie sucks in the same way that a lot of people in this group
seem to think its the greatest movie ever made.Its a pre-conceived
opinion,but as far as I'm concerned,my opinion on this won't change.Its like
lets say you don't think you like a certain style of music or something.You
are gonna think its a waste of time no matter what others are saying.That is
how I feel about this movie,and you won't convince me otherwise.

And as far as your question about the Zira/Taylor kiss,that is really not
bestiality.I did not see them trying "do it",did you?All it was was a
goodbye,not romantically inclined.Zira was even hesitant to kiss Taylor,and
she did tell him "You're so damned ugly",so you see she was in no way
attracted to him.There was no sex between them.

And I am SO GLAD that they didn't do the half ape/half human bit.That would
have ruined Planet of the Apes right there.But thankfully they came to their
senses and did not go thru with it.I guess it took Fox  30 years to ruin Apes
with that new movie of theirs.

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.html In a message dated 4/8/01 5:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

How do you know this movie sucks?

Speaking of beastiality, what do you think of the kiss between Chuck and
Zira?

And what of the original Beneath idea to have half mutants/half apes?

Michael


I know this movie sucks in the same way that a lot of people in this group
seem to think its the greatest movie ever made.Its a pre-conceived
opinion,but as far as I'm concerned,my opinion on this won't change.Its like
lets say you don't think you like a certain style of music or something.You
are gonna think its a waste of time no matter what others are saying.That is
how I feel about this movie,and you won't convince me otherwise.

And as far as your question about the Zira/Taylor kiss,that is really not
bestiality.I did not see them trying "do it",did you?All it was was a
goodbye,not romantically inclined.Zira was even hesitant to kiss Taylor,and
she did tell him "You're so damned ugly",so you see she was in no way
attracted to him.There was no sex between them.

And I am SO GLAD that they didn't do the half ape/half human bit.That would
have ruined Planet of the Apes right there.But thankfully they came to their
senses and did not go thru with it.I guess it took Fox  30 years to ruin Apes
with that new movie of theirs.

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Hey, from the look of things, Pete changed his email address somewhere along
the line.

Glad you worked it out Pete.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: pasta@... [pasta@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 12:43
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Have a Nice Day

Michael Whitty, have a nice day. Alexander Ruiz, thanks for the help.
MFLulder, thanks to you too. Cheers. pjh

No - what was that about?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 16:18
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Air & Leo love scene



She's 80% human now so she's like a missing link.
Did anyone ever see that movie Skullduggery?

Yeah but he tried to control the sequels and screwed everything up. I blame
Heston alone for many of the plot holes. If he did not insist on having the
world blown up, Boulle's script may have been filmed and the script writers
would not have had to make up the Escape plot (or they could have gone
Prequel, but I don't think that was heard of then!).

Thoughts Rory?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 16:24
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Charlton Heston AOL Live Chat (it's long!)

In a message dated 4/8/01 5:29:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@...
writes:

<< to me he IS Taylor, >>

I have to agree. He's the go to guy for over the top Sci-fi. You I could
see Eastwood maybe doing Omega Man of Soylent Green but not Apes.

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I'm not saying that the new film will suck. And even if it should I'm glad
they're making something, at least. But they shouldn't pull a scene just
because it might piss someone off. Any more than they should put one in
trying to please everyone. It either works or it doesn't. If the guy said
it works, I'll take his word for it until I've seen for myself and make up my
own mind. It's just unfortunate I probably won't get the opportunity to see
it as it was originally intended, which is what directors cuts are for. If
only Burton believed in doing directors cuts. What the DVD needs is a fans
cut. Do I think this will be the definitive Apes? No. How can it be until
they pull out all the stops -- Which they obviously have not done. Just my
opinion, Man.

In a message dated 4/9/01 10:11:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< No - what was that about? >>

Wow you missed a good bad one.

It was a 70s flick with Burt Reynolds who was using a bunch of orang type
missing links to work a diamond mine in the jungle. It came up in court
whether or not they were human, and Burt was a slaver. Kinda cool and at the
same time vintage cheese. The only reason I bring it up is the female lead
kind of looked like a readheaded Ari. I don't want to spoil the ending for
you but the chances of seeing this one are slim to none so if you want to
know I'll tell ya.