There were a lot of the same arguments in this film.

Burt and the guy who played Harry Mudd, the guy on the android planet on Star
Trek, were working a mine in the jungle with these missing links. They were
really slaves.
Since money had no meaning for them they worked on a barter system. And a
dispenser would pay them a can of Spam, which they loved, per wheelbarrow
load from the mine. There were the same sort of questions -- are they human
or animals?
At one point the missionary priest takes them to the river to babtise them
until someone points out that he'd be commiting a sin if they turn out not to
be human.
The gal that looks like Ari ends up pregnant. I don't remember who the
father was, but it doesn't much matter because when they end up in court to
decide if they are running a slave operation she freaks out and climbs a
large book case which falls and kills her. After that they give up and
leave. No happy ending here.

If anyone needs the Soldier Ape B (the one from BENEATH with the longer beard
and machine gun), I suggest that you check out www.toysyndicate.com. I got
one from there for $40.95 shipped. For some reason, this figure usually goes
for more $80 on eBay. Felix from Fantasiatoyz.com sells them for $120 (and
his prices are usually pretty reasonable). I ordered mine on Tuesday and got
it today (I wanted to wait until I received the item before posting about it
in case it was another bait and switch scam).

Hope this helps someone.

Matt

Sounds good - thanks T!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 6:38
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] *****Skullduggery Spoiler*****


There were a lot of the same arguments in this film.

Burt and the guy who played Harry Mudd, the guy on the android planet on
Star
Trek, were working a mine in the jungle with these missing links. They were
really slaves.
Since money had no meaning for them they worked on a barter system. And a
dispenser would pay them a can of Spam, which they loved, per wheelbarrow
load from the mine. There were the same sort of questions -- are they human
or animals?
At one point the missionary priest takes them to the river to babtise them
until someone points out that he'd be commiting a sin if they turn out not
to
be human.
The gal that looks like Ari ends up pregnant. I don't remember who the
father was, but it doesn't much matter because when they end up in court to
decide if they are running a slave operation she freaks out and climbs a
large book case which falls and kills her. After that they give up and
leave. No happy ending here.

.html

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

Man, I remember Skullduggery, and I've been wanting to try and find a copy
for some time. Must be kind of obscure. All I've been able to come up with
was this pic of a poster . . .

http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/36bf3a7ce5c0b95b48773daa08/i-1.JPG

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: [pota] *****Skullduggery Spoiler*****


>
> There were a lot of the same arguments in this film.
>
> Burt and the guy who played Harry Mudd, the guy on the android planet on
Star
> Trek, were working a mine in the jungle with these missing links. They
were
> really slaves.
> Since money had no meaning for them they worked on a barter system. And a
> dispenser would pay them a can of Spam, which they loved, per wheelbarrow
> load from the mine. There were the same sort of questions -- are they
human
> or animals?
> At one point the missionary priest takes them to the river to babtise them
> until someone points out that he'd be commiting a sin if they turn out not
to
> be human.
> The gal that looks like Ari ends up pregnant. I don't remember who the
> father was, but it doesn't much matter because when they end up in court
to
> decide if they are running a slave operation she freaks out and climbs a
> large book case which falls and kills her. After that they give up and
> leave. No happy ending here.
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:

> That is all just sick.The movie sucks as it is without bringing
> bestiality into it.What the hell is wrong with those people?

Sorry for digging into this since I know it was discussed here
before, and I can well imagine the storm it caused. But I wasn't here
then, and some of what I'm reading...well, troubles me.

These are evolved apes we're talking about, not zoo animals. In their
world, we're the lower species. To them, doing it with a human is
bestiality -- not the other way around. And by the way, bestiality
only applies to sexual relations with what one acknowledges to be a
lower species. From what I gather, Ari and Leo grow to consider one
another equals; certainly they are in intellectual terms. (Which is
more than I can say for Leo and Daena -- she may look like your
average girl in a fur bikini, but if she's like Nova then she has the
mind of a primitive.) Our reality has no place in this fiction.

Maybe the real problem people have with this is the inter-species
thing. And that's not new for the human race either. If memory
serves, Africans were once considered a separate species by self-
proclaimed "intellectually superior" Anglo-Saxons. That didn't stop
masters from raping slaves.

What surprises me most, though, is hearing such scorn from Apes fans.
I guess it just goes to show the PotA message is still relevant
today: around the world we continue to abuse, exclude and kill one
another for being the "wrong" nationality/race/religion. How could we
possibly be expected to accept another evolved *species* as our
equals?

ET stay home. Human arrogance is alive and well. /Mez

Hello everybody,

Is it o.k with you guys if I join this newsgroup. I can't believe I
have stumbled upon you good people. Please let me introduce myself a
little. My name is Vanessa, I'm in my early 30s, and I live in
Virginia. I work as a freelance photographer (my dreams of becoming a
scriptwriter put to bed when I got my tenth rejection letter!)and I
am a fan of movies in general, both the classics and the not so
classic (!), and POTA is without a doubt my all time favorite movie.

I remember first seeing it some time in the mid-seventies. I first
saw it, believe it or not, in Italy, in a tiny movie house in Trento
not unlike the one in 'Cinema Paradiso'. It was dubbed, and I didn't
speak Italian (still don't.)

Needles to say, as all you newsgroup members will now, those first
few frames blew me away (I am speaking of the crash landing and post-
crash landing scenes, the exterior location shots.)

There was something so incredibly haunting and powerful about those
images, and I think that the impact of this movie must have shaped my
own sense of aesthetic, for I often recognize elements of those first
exterior scenes of POTA in my own photographic work (I shoot a lot in
Arizona and Colorado if I can. I love the desert.)

I eventually got around to seeing all the sequels (which I bought
when they came out on DVD) and although I found them exciting as a
child, I don't think they're too wonderful when I watch them today.
They seem so 'cheesy' and somehow 'cheap', the pull on masks alone
enough to give POTA a bad name (I hope I am not offending any of you
good folk by discussing my feelings about the sequels. I am new here
and maybe I should keep my opinions to myself until I get to know you
all better.)

That first viewing of POTA has never left me. That movie has always
had a magical grip on my heart and my senses.

Anybody out there feel the same way?

I hope that we can keep up some kind of correspondece. I did not know
that there were groups devoted to POTA, and I think it would be great
if we could all share our experiences - our personal experiences -
about the movie and what it has come to mean to us over the years.

Vanessa

.htmlIn a message dated 4/9/01 5:09:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Burt and the guy who played Harry Mudd, the guy on the android planet on
Star
Trek, were working a mine in the jungle with these missing links.  They
were
really slaves.
Since money had no meaning for them they worked on a barter system.  And a
dispenser would pay them a can of Spam, which they loved, per wheelbarrow
load from the mine.  There were the same sort of questions -- are they
human
or animals?
At one point the missionary priest takes them to the river to babtise them
until someone points out that he'd be commiting a sin if they turn out not
to
be human.
The gal that looks like Ari ends up pregnant.  I don't remember who the
father was, but it doesn't much matter because when they end up in court to
decide if they are running a slave operation she freaks out and climbs a
large book case which falls and kills her.  After that they give up and
leave.  No happy ending here.

T, you remember this movie pretty good, better than me.  What I remember most
was when this movie came out in 1970.  By that time PLANET had really hooked
me on movies, and I'd always check the paper to see what new movies were in
town.  I heard from grown-ups that they were making a sequel to PLANET, but
it seemed like it was never going to come out -- there was no internet back
in those days, remember, T?

Anyways, one day in the paper I see the ad for this film "Skullduggery" and
in the ad was a line trying to sell the film that said "Expected to draw the
crowds that flocked to 'Planet of the Apes.'"  I thought for a while, "Is
this the sequel to 'Planet'?"  Can't be.

My mother took me to this movie.  I remember the little missing link guys
were played by little Japanese actors and all they had was hair on their
faces.  The movie wasn't any good, of course.  Even at ten years old I could
see that.  That guy from Star Trek, who played Mudd, T, was an actor named
Roger C. Carmel.  I think in the movie he was the guy who knocked up the
female missing link.  If she'd given birth, then these things -- they had a
name in the movie, but I can't remember what it was -- then they would have
have to been given equal rights or something.  It's been so long since I've
seen this piece of junk, that that's all I can remember of it.  It's not on
video anywhere, but you can probably find some bootleg if you look hard
enough.  But why would you want to?

By the way, Roger C. "Mudd" Carmel committed suicide in 1986.
You can find out a lot of stuff like that if you check on www.imdb.com.  
That's the Internet Movie DataBase site.  You type in the film title and all
it's credits come up and plot synopsis.  You can also post your own comments
on movies.   I'd love to read yours, T.   If you really want to read some
funny ones look up those for "Ice Station Zebra."

Anyway, a few weeks after I saw "Skullduggery," I come from from school one
Friday, and my younger brother says to me, "I saw this commercial on TV for a
movie "Underneath 'da Planet of 'da Apes"!  As you can imagine, I went ape.  
I sat in front of the TV the whole of the next day waiting and waiting to see
this commercial.  Finally like at four in the afternoon it came on.  I
remember thinking afterward, "Who the hell is James Franciscus?"

Pretty funny, eh T?

-- Rory


<.html

.htmlHi Vanessa,

Is anybody welcome here?  Well, there's this guy, littleguybrian, who....
well, never mind about him.

Sure!  The more the merrier.  In fact I hope you'll have lots to say because
it seems there aren't too many here that bother to post anything (sorry
group, but I think there are supposed to be like over ninety members in this
group, but how many do we regularly hear from?   Five or six guys, and a
couple of gals.  It sort of creeps me out a little.  Then, of course,
somebody we've never heard from  just up and pops out of the cornfield to
announce they've had it and are quitting, or they want to rag on someone or
something.  Jeez, HUMANS!!)

Anyway, Vanessa....  Welcome to the group.

-- Rory <.html

Hi, Rory

What a nice message of welcome. I hope I didn't open up any nasty
cans of worms, though.

I haven't had the chance to read through all the messages yet, but I
will be doing so this evening. I notice that many of them are quite
short and chit-chatty, which is great. But I was sort of hoping to
also read of people's own experiences with this movie in a little
more depth (don't get me worng, the chit-chat aspect is terrific,
too.)

POTA is a very important part of my life. Maybe it's just because it
was my 'first love', and they say you never forget your first love.
But I would be very interested to discuss the imagery used in the
movie, the sense of strangeness that comes with it, etc.

Any takers?

Vanessa

"Anybody out there feel the same way?"

That's why we're here Vanessa.
Welcome aboard!
Best,
KEN



Vanessa wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> Is it o.k with you guys if I join this newsgroup. I can't believe I
> have stumbled upon you good people. Please let me introduce myself a
> little. My name is Vanessa, I'm in my early 30s, and I live in
> Virginia. I work as a freelance photographer (my dreams of becoming a
> scriptwriter put to bed when I got my tenth rejection letter!)and I
> am a fan of movies in general, both the classics and the not so
> classic (!), and POTA is without a doubt my all time favorite movie.
>
> I remember first seeing it some time in the mid-seventies. I first
> saw it, believe it or not, in Italy, in a tiny movie house in Trento
> not unlike the one in 'Cinema Paradiso'. It was dubbed, and I didn't
> speak Italian (still don't.)
>
> Needles to say, as all you newsgroup members will now, those first
> few frames blew me away (I am speaking of the crash landing and post-
> crash landing scenes, the exterior location shots.)
>
> There was something so incredibly haunting and powerful about those
> images, and I think that the impact of this movie must have shaped my
> own sense of aesthetic, for I often recognize elements of those first
> exterior scenes of POTA in my own photographic work (I shoot a lot in
> Arizona and Colorado if I can. I love the desert.)
>
> I eventually got around to seeing all the sequels (which I bought
> when they came out on DVD) and although I found them exciting as a
> child, I don't think they're too wonderful when I watch them today.
> They seem so 'cheesy' and somehow 'cheap', the pull on masks alone
> enough to give POTA a bad name (I hope I am not offending any of you
> good folk by discussing my feelings about the sequels. I am new here
> and maybe I should keep my opinions to myself until I get to know you
> all better.)
>
> That first viewing of POTA has never left me. That movie has always
> had a magical grip on my heart and my senses.
>
> Anybody out there feel the same way?
>
> I hope that we can keep up some kind of correspondece. I did not know
> that there were groups devoted to POTA, and I think it would be great
> if we could all share our experiences - our personal experiences -
> about the movie and what it has come to mean to us over the years.
>
> Vanessa
>
>
>
>

Hi, Ken

Thank you for such a sweet welcome.

I'm starting to feel at home here!

Vanessa

.htmlIn a message dated 4/9/01 8:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vanessa1970apecity@... writes:

Hi, Rory

What a nice message of welcome. I hope I didn't open up any nasty
cans of worms, though.

I haven't had the chance to read through all the messages yet, but I
will be doing so this evening. I notice that many of them are quite
short and chit-chatty, which is great. But I was sort of hoping to
also read of people's own experiences with this movie in a little
more depth (don't get me worng, the chit-chat aspect is terrific,
too.)

POTA is a very important part of my life. Maybe it's just because it
was my 'first love', and they say you never forget your first love.
But I would be very interested to discuss the imagery used in the
movie, the sense of strangeness that comes with it, etc.

Any takers?

Vanessa

Vanessa,

Have you tried going to the archives for this group?  I start reading them
from about three months back.  It will take a while, but you'll get a good
idea of what we have been talking about.  You'll also get some laughs I'm
sure.  Let me know if you don't know how to do this.

In any event, I'm one of the ones here that writes the most -- which will
probably bring on a slurry of comments -- but I'll certainly respond to
anything you say that I think is deserving of response.

-- Rory<.html

>
> Have you tried going to the archives for this group? I start >
> Vanessa,

reading them

> from about three months back. It will take a while, but you'll get

a good

> idea of what we have been talking about. You'll also get some

laughs I'm

> sure. Let me know if you don't know how to do this.
>
> In any event, I'm one of the ones here that writes the most --

which will

> probably bring on a slurry of comments -- but I'll certainly

respond to

> anything you say that I think is deserving of response.
>
> -- Rory

Thanks, Rory. No, I don't know how to search the archives for the
group. I've been trying to figure it out.

I'm not quite sure how to take the last part of your message.
You'll "respond to anything I say that you think is deserving of a
response."? Don't you think that's kind of an off putting thing to
say to a newcomer? It makes me feel sort of shy about leaving
messages! If there are guidlines for your newsgroup, Rory, please
email them to me and I will certainly uphold them and try to make my
messages suitable. Anyway, I think you've created a terrific
newsgroup, Rory, and I will certainly enjoy my stay here.

:)

Vanessa

Welcome aboard Venessa,

Not offended in the least. Those pull over masks are cheesy! As are the
sequels in spots. But I like a little cheese now and then. It gets a bit
wild and woolly on this group, so hang on to you garters! And feel free to
jump in anytime. The water's fine.




T

Hi, T
And thank you for such a great welcome! I've been reading through
past message, and some of them ARE a little hair-raising. But for a
5'1, 105lb half pint, I sure can give as good as I get (and I've
seen 'Gladiator' and picked up lots of tricks.)

Vanessa

Yeah that's a good one Rory,

the only thing I knew James Franciscus from was Longstreet. But A blind
detective who learns kung fu from Bruce Lee is pretty cool. Yeah, I din't
think it was burt who was getting al the monkey lovin'. He was with the
archiology babe. Leonard Maltin called it an interesting yet unsucessful
movie whos author had his name removed from the credits. But he did give it
two and a half stars. And the gal, Pat Suzuki who played Topazia, only did a
couple other things, like Charlie's Angels. IMDB is wonderful.
MovieGoods has stacks of posters, lobbycards and stills but videos are no
where to be found. It came out before video, and after . . . I guess no one
thought enough of it to make many, if any. It was kind of funny that the
only difference between them and everyone else was more hair.

The Day The Earth Stood Still is on AMC right now!
No excuses if you haven't seen it. As hard to believe as that is.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/9/01 10:03:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

The Day The Earth Stood Still is on AMC right now!
No excuses if you haven't seen it.  As hard to believe as that is.

I bought a Collector's Edition Laserdisc of this one.  It's signed by Robert
Wise.  It cost me like $75.  Now, when they put it on DVD, I'll have to buy
it again.  I don't mind.  It's one of the classics of SF films.

-- Rory

<.html

Welcome Vanessa!

Loc

Cool site Alex! Please send out emails whenever you do an update or a major
overhaul.

Matt

Thank you so much, Loc. I'm please to be on board.

My Mistake. It was just Backstory on it and not the movie itself.
Still pretty interesting and a lot of parallels with POTA.
I never knew that Spencer Tracy wanted to be Klaatu.
Or that they almost didn't use Sam Jaffe for the Einstein character because,
like Kim Hunter his name had appeared in Red Channels.
Perhaps I should clarify for Venessa.
I'm the Kim Hunter fan of the group. A much over looked actress who only got
two things from Hollywood . . . An Oscar and blacklisted! I'll be peppering
my posts with Kim references throughout. But if you've started on the
archives you know that already. And like POTA, they feared being laughed at
when they opened. It too had a ground breaking score and a controversial
backstory. In fact they had to reshoot some. But if you didn't watch AMC it
will be on again later. Check your local listings for time.

.html <.html

Welcome Vanessa,

This is a pretty cool group. I have been on here a little over a month and
I'm having a blast. If you like damn dirty Apes, then this is definately the
place. I've learned a lot already.

Matt

Well, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Nice to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Haven't you guys ever seen Star Trek?
Captain Kirk slept with every green alien broad in the galaxy.
Do you think he would have stopped with apes?
Hell no! He'd have had the best of the bunch too.
And Harry Kim isn't bothered. He'll sleep with animal, vegetable, mineral or
machine!
And I doubt Tim Buton would have had people squirming in their seats. I'm
sure it would have been very Edward Scissorhandy -- Probably more sweet than
sexy.

Hey T,

Fill me in on the Kim Hunter blacklisting situation. I know some things about
the "naming names" (and how Elia Kazan was involved and some people wouldn't
acknowledge him when he got his honorary Oscar a few years back), but I
didn't know Kim was involved. She was great in "Streetcar" and deserved that
Oscar!

Matt

In a message dated 4/9/01 7:58:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
vanessa1970apecity@... writes:

<< Hi, T >>

I've been practicing my writer fu...
Bring it on girl!

Yeah, they're showing When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth instead.
But it does have babes in beef jerky bikinis and you can beat that.
It would been a great film for Linda Harrison -- That and One Million Years
B.C.!

Wow!

There are some really interesting ideas here. Sorry I haven't commented
before now, but that suckers long! I still need to read over it again,
before I can summerize my thoughts.

In a message dated 4/9/01 11:28:20 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<<There are some really interesting ideas here. Sorry I haven't commented
before now, but that suckers long! I still need to read over it again,
before I can summerize my thoughts.>>

Thanks T! I would love to hear your comments about my ideas, as well as your
own ideas about "What You Would Do"

Matt

Hi, Matt!

Thanks so much!

Vanessa

<< Fill me in on the Kim Hunter blacklisting situation. I know some things
about
the "naming names" (and how Elia Kazan was involved and some people wouldn't
acknowledge him when he got his honorary Oscar a few years back), but I
didn't know Kim was involved. She was great in "Streetcar" and deserved that
Oscar! >>

I asked her about that. Here's what she had to say about it.

"A lot of people were very unhappy when he named names in front of the House
on Un-American Activates Committee. None of us were really happy with his
doing that. But also you have to remember, the committee knew all the names
that he was giving them. So he didn't give them anything new. He wasn't
really giving them news. But that was a long time ago, for Christ sake. And
his work through the years absolutely extraordinary. He certainly was the
best director I ever worked with. And I think almost everyone who's ever
worked with him felt that way. And it was high time that the Academy honored
him, for his work through the years. He certainly deserved the Oscar, God
knows. And I think the protesting was rather silly."

I have to agree with her.
And if you've seen films like America, America, East of Eden, Gentleman's
Agreement, On the Waterfront and of course Streetcar, I'm sure you will too.

So how did she get back in good graces? She paid someone. There was a guy
in an office and if you wanted your name taken off the list you gave him a
couple hundred bucks and that was it. Only in America! Even when she was on
the list she still worked in the theater and on television. But with the
double whammy of being blacklisted and the Best Supporting Actress curse, her
movie career did suffer.

Well stated Mez.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mez Downes [mdownes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 9:40
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Air & Leo love scene

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> That is all just sick.The movie sucks as it is without bringing
> bestiality into it.What the hell is wrong with those people?

Sorry for digging into this since I know it was discussed here
before, and I can well imagine the storm it caused. But I wasn't here
then, and some of what I'm reading...well, troubles me.

These are evolved apes we're talking about, not zoo animals. In their
world, we're the lower species. To them, doing it with a human is
bestiality -- not the other way around. And by the way, bestiality
only applies to sexual relations with what one acknowledges to be a
lower species. From what I gather, Ari and Leo grow to consider one
another equals; certainly they are in intellectual terms. (Which is
more than I can say for Leo and Daena -- she may look like your
average girl in a fur bikini, but if she's like Nova then she has the
mind of a primitive.) Our reality has no place in this fiction.

Maybe the real problem people have with this is the inter-species
thing. And that's not new for the human race either. If memory
serves, Africans were once considered a separate species by self-
proclaimed "intellectually superior" Anglo-Saxons. That didn't stop
masters from raping slaves.

What surprises me most, though, is hearing such scorn from Apes fans.
I guess it just goes to show the PotA message is still relevant
today: around the world we continue to abuse, exclude and kill one
another for being the "wrong" nationality/race/religion. How could we
possibly be expected to accept another evolved *species* as our
equals?

ET stay home. Human arrogance is alive and well. /Mez

Hi Vanessa,

Welcome to the group from Australia (Ken Taylor lives down this way too).

I'm with you - I loved the movies and anything Apes to bits, but as I get
older (and they all become accessible) the magic fades a little. But the
feeling is always there and the deja-vu and warm feelings I get when I
remember these significant childhood events.

I (and Ken) collect POTA toys and memorabilia too - do you?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanessa [vanessa1970apecity@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 9:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Is anyboy welcome here?

Hello everybody,

Is it o.k with you guys if I join this newsgroup. I can't believe I
have stumbled upon you good people. Please let me introduce myself a
little. My name is Vanessa, I'm in my early 30s, and I live in
Virginia. I work as a freelance photographer (my dreams of becoming a
scriptwriter put to bed when I got my tenth rejection letter!)and I
am a fan of movies in general, both the classics and the not so
classic (!), and POTA is without a doubt my all time favorite movie.

I remember first seeing it some time in the mid-seventies. I first
saw it, believe it or not, in Italy, in a tiny movie house in Trento
not unlike the one in 'Cinema Paradiso'. It was dubbed, and I didn't
speak Italian (still don't.)

Needles to say, as all you newsgroup members will now, those first
few frames blew me away (I am speaking of the crash landing and post-
crash landing scenes, the exterior location shots.)

There was something so incredibly haunting and powerful about those
images, and I think that the impact of this movie must have shaped my
own sense of aesthetic, for I often recognize elements of those first
exterior scenes of POTA in my own photographic work (I shoot a lot in
Arizona and Colorado if I can. I love the desert.)

I eventually got around to seeing all the sequels (which I bought
when they came out on DVD) and although I found them exciting as a
child, I don't think they're too wonderful when I watch them today.
They seem so 'cheesy' and somehow 'cheap', the pull on masks alone
enough to give POTA a bad name (I hope I am not offending any of you
good folk by discussing my feelings about the sequels. I am new here
and maybe I should keep my opinions to myself until I get to know you
all better.)

That first viewing of POTA has never left me. That movie has always
had a magical grip on my heart and my senses.

Anybody out there feel the same way?

I hope that we can keep up some kind of correspondece. I did not know
that there were groups devoted to POTA, and I think it would be great
if we could all share our experiences - our personal experiences -
about the movie and what it has come to mean to us over the years.

Vanessa

I am a 30 yr old male, seeking woman of same age range looking to snuggle
with and watch pota over and over again, and order out food. email if
interested. (ps, if you are football fan too, we will get married). LOL!!

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 405


There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: *****Skullduggery Spoiler*****
From: LordTZer0@...
2. The Day The Earth Stood Still
From: LordTZer0@...
3. Re: The Day The Earth Stood Still
From: Haristas@...
4. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: locutusatwolf359@...
5. Alex's Site
From: MTotsky@...
6. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Vanessa" <vanessa1970apecity@...>
7. The Day The Earth Stood Still
From: LordTZer0@...
8. Re: Alex's Site
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
9. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: MTotsky@...
10. Re: Re: Ari & Leo love scene
From: LordTZer0@...
11. Kim Hunter
From: MTotsky@...
12. Re: Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: LordTZer0@...
13. The Day The Earth Stood Still And Dinosaurs Walked On it.
From: LordTZer0@...
14. Re: What Would You Do?
From: LordTZer0@...
15. Re: What Would You Do?
From: MTotsky@...
16. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Vanessa" <vanessa1970apecity@...>
17. Re: Kim Hunter
From: LordTZer0@...
18. RE: Re: Air & Leo love scene
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
19. RE: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>


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<< I am a 30 yr old male, seeking woman of same age range looking to snuggle
with and watch pota over and over again, and order out food. email if
interested. (ps, if you are football fan too, we will get married). LOL!!>>

I didn't know this had become the POTA Date line.
I'm looking at the moment while we're on the subject.

Sometimes the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there is that
it /hasn't/ visited.

- Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes

M

> From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:39:40 -0000
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Air & Leo love scene
>
>
> ET stay home. Human arrogance is alive and well. /Mez

I hadn't heard anyone mention it, but I always thought ( as did all my friends ) that Skullduggery was cheap version HB Pipers Fuzzies stories - Jeff Doten

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

Jeff,

I thought the same of the Ewoks - that they were trying to be Litte Fuzzies
(or Fuzzy Sapiens)!!!!

Good call.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: dotenj@... [dotenj@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 6:36
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Skull Duggery and Fuzzies

I hadn't heard anyone mention it, but I always thought ( as did all my
friends ) that Skullduggery was cheap version HB Pipers Fuzzies stories -
Jeff Doten

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

Can you get Brian to provide snuggle costumes?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: KC [kc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 0:05
To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [pota] seeking:...

I am a 30 yr old male, seeking woman of same age range looking to snuggle
with and watch pota over and over again, and order out food. email if
interested. (ps, if you are football fan too, we will get married). LOL!!

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 405


There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: *****Skullduggery Spoiler*****
From: LordTZer0@...
2. The Day The Earth Stood Still
From: LordTZer0@...
3. Re: The Day The Earth Stood Still
From: Haristas@...
4. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: locutusatwolf359@...
5. Alex's Site
From: MTotsky@...
6. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Vanessa" <vanessa1970apecity@...>
7. The Day The Earth Stood Still
From: LordTZer0@...
8. Re: Alex's Site
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
9. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: MTotsky@...
10. Re: Re: Ari & Leo love scene
From: LordTZer0@...
11. Kim Hunter
From: MTotsky@...
12. Re: Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: LordTZer0@...
13. The Day The Earth Stood Still And Dinosaurs Walked On it.
From: LordTZer0@...
14. Re: What Would You Do?
From: LordTZer0@...
15. Re: What Would You Do?
From: MTotsky@...
16. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Vanessa" <vanessa1970apecity@...>
17. Re: Kim Hunter
From: LordTZer0@...
18. RE: Re: Air & Leo love scene
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
19. RE: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>


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Welcome aboard Vanessa. Always room for another POTA fan. Pretty wild
that you saw it for the first time in Italy, dubbed no less! I think you'll
enjoy this group very much. I would suggest that you peruse the tons of
previous posts to get a feel for the group and see what previous topics have
been discussed. Have fun & Go Apes, John

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mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>

>Say what you want about me,I don't care.Maybe I am too serious.But I'd

rather

>be too serious,rather than not serious enough.I don't like too see Apes

being

>made fun of.I am not so hardcore of a fan that I watch it 24/7 or anything
>like that,but it really bugs me when people try to be "cute" with it.I

don't

>think its funny.I can live without all the Apes references on "The

Simpsons"

>too.Again,not funny or clever.

Not even "Stop the Planet of the Apes, I Want to Get Off"?

Alan

Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...> wrote:

>There was also a scene in the novelisation of BENEATH where a gorilla
>guard goes the grope on Mutant Albina's boob after she committed
>suicide. That's Bestiality PLUS Necrophilia..
>a double taboo whammy!

I assume that's the scene where he feels her hair instead then? Toned down
ever so slightly!

Alan

>>Does anyone out there collect original APES movie theatre posters, lobby
>>cards and stills?

Something else I forgot to mention in the posters/lobbies conversation was
that I also have a couple of the Japanese promotional programmes for some of
the Apes films. Can't say I've read much of them (don't speak Japanese,
which is understandably a problem) but they're interesting collectibles all
the same.

Alan

Yeah, you're right Alan. I remember reading the book when I was a kid and
thinking "I don't recall seeing THAT on TV! (when I saw Beneath when
originally aired)"
Best,
KEN

Alan Maxwell wrote:

> Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...> wrote:
> >There was also a scene in the novelisation of BENEATH where a gorilla
> >guard goes the grope on Mutant Albina's boob after she committed
> >suicide. That's Bestiality PLUS Necrophilia..
> >a double taboo whammy!
>
> I assume that's the scene where he feels her hair instead then? Toned down
> ever so slightly!
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>

I've got those Japanese programmes too Alan. I really like them. With I could
read them though! They have some cool pics which I haven't seen anywhere else,
including a shot of the APE-onauts in the ship from the unseen Escape prologue.
Best,
KEN

Alan Maxwell wrote:

> >>Does anyone out there collect original APES movie theatre posters, lobby
> >>cards and stills?
>
> Something else I forgot to mention in the posters/lobbies conversation was
> that I also have a couple of the Japanese promotional programmes for some of
> the Apes films. Can't say I've read much of them (don't speak Japanese,
> which is understandably a problem) but they're interesting collectibles all
> the same.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 4/10/01 7:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Something else I forgot to mention in the posters/lobbies conversation was
that I also have a couple of the Japanese promotional programmes for some of
the Apes films. Can't say I've read much of them (don't speak Japanese,
which is understandably a problem) but they're interesting collectibles all
the same.

Alan

I don't have these, Alan, but I've seen them on eBay.  They look like they've
got great pictures in them.

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/9/01 12:10:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Yeah but he tried to control the sequels and screwed everything up.  I blame
Heston alone for many of the plot holes.  If he did not insist on having the
world blown up, Boulle's script may have been filmed and the script writers
would not have had to make up the Escape plot (or they could have gone
Prequel, but I don't think that was heard of then!).

Thoughts Rory?

Michael

Yeah, Mike, I have thoughts on this topic.  I'll have something to post
later.  Too busy right now.  Sorry, mate.

-- Rory<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Vanessa" <vanessa1970apecity@y...> wrote:

> But for a 5'1, 105lb half pint, I sure can give as good as I get
> (and I've seen 'Gladiator' and picked up lots of tricks.)
>
> Vanessa

I've only got an inch and a few brownies in weight on ya, but a
flying drop-kick never goes amiss around here. <g>

Hi, Vanessa! I'm fairly new to this group myself, and not as regular
a visitor as I'd like to be. (So I really should be saying hello to
everyone who's new, I know I've missed some. Howdy!)

What you said about the first movie got me thinking. I don't remember
the first time I saw it, probably because it turned out not to be my
favorite -- "Escape" is, don't hang me for heresy, folks -- but I do
recall the summer day in the mid-70s when I saw it again at my
mother's college. I'd talked her into letting me tag along just so I
could watch it while she was in class. Now, anyone who is familiar
with the PotA site I run knows how well my mother and I got along. It
was shortly after that I took over making dinner for the family every
night. You think I'm kidding??!! :)

You'll like this group. I haven't had the opportunity to post much,
but everyone seems kind and mature, even when opinions differ. And
the PotA knowledge base represented here is *staggering*. Ask
anything and it will be answered. All around, this is a fun bunch of
people. WHERE WERE Y'ALL WHEN I WAS A LONELY APES FAN IN SCHOOL???????

Enjoy! /Mez

.htmlIn a message dated 4/10/01 6:10:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

>There was also a scene in the novelisation of BENEATH where a gorilla
>guard goes the grope on Mutant Albina's boob after she committed
>suicide. That's Bestiality PLUS Necrophilia..
>a double taboo whammy!

Well thats Avallone for you.He put sex everywhere in that book.I really think
he put too many references in there.

<.html

Hit the nail on the head, LTZ. What, are the "studio executives" scared
that kids will run out and start having sex with apes?!?!?!? Have some guts
and do something original, for cryin' out loud! Go Apes, John

Got that right, LTZ. When Dino is one great cheesy cave flick. One
Million is great too, but it got to be too iconish, if ya know what I mean.
Linda H. would look great in either films outfits, but nothin' beats POTA
tree bark. John

HUAC. Goddamn disgrace. Again, only in America! John

<< Hit the nail on the head, LTZ. What, are the "studio executives"
scared
that kids will run out and start having sex with apes?!?!?!? Have some guts
and do something original, for cryin' out loud! Go Apes, John >>

You know, there really aren't that many apes in this country. And the
average teen has only limited access to them. And I hardly think there's
anything to worry about there, because as we all know . . . real apes are not
lookers. I rest my case.

Mez,

I must say I did not have anyone to talk to about apes at school - everyone
thought my interest in POTA was kinda strange!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mez Downes [mdownes@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 9:42
WHERE WERE Y'ALL WHEN I WAS A LONELY APES FAN IN SCHOOL???????

.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 4:02:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

I must say I did not have anyone to talk to about apes at school - everyone
thought my interest in POTA was kinda strange!

Michael

Not only was it the same with me during most of school, but my interest in
POTA is still thought 'strange' by most.  Oh well.

-- Rory

<.html

WOW, I saw someone posted that "....earth stood still" was on the other
night, well i watched when dinos rules the earth, about hlafway thru i
picked up on it, i was thikning about pota for some reason, just had that
vibe, i am very excited by this movie. i heard about it, knew it was great
but have never seen it. it is now my latest must have and watch...i am going
to buy it..is it on dvd? loved the women in little skimpy outfits not
speaking "english",,,check this out if you havent already...amc was showing
it..

-----Original Message-----
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:22 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 406


There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. seeking:...
From: KC <kc@...>
2. Re: seeking:...
From: LordTZer0@...
3. Re: Re: Air & Leo love scene
From: Mark Gould <mark.gould@...>
4. Skull Duggery and Fuzzies
From: dotenj@...
5. RE: Skull Duggery and Fuzzies
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
6. RE: seeking:...
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
7. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: JSe3689836@...
8. The Remake
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
9. Re: prophecysite opinion
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
10. Re: Air & Leo love scene
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
11. Re: Collecting POTA movie posters. WARNING: Long e-mail!
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
12. Re: Air & Leo love scene
From: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>
13. Re: Collecting POTA movie posters. WARNING: Long e-mail!
From: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>
14. Re: Collecting POTA movie posters. WARNING: Long e-mail!
From: Haristas@...
15. Re: Charlton Heston - King of Bullshit
From: Haristas@...
16. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
17. Re: Air & Leo love scene
From: mlccougar@...
18. Re: Re: Ari & Leo love scene
From: JSe3689836@...
19. Re: The Day The Earth Stood Still And Dinosaurs Walked On it.
From: JSe3689836@...
20. Re: Kim Hunter
From: JSe3689836@...
21. Re: Re: Ari & Leo love scene
From: LordTZer0@...


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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
group.

File : /apes2001.zip
Uploaded by : rathighway@...
Description : Planet of the Apes Screensaver (zipped)

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/apes2001.zip

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

rathighway@...

I also have a matching WinAmp Skin, if anyone wants me to load it.


RFA
http://screenloot.envy.nu

--- In pota@y..., <pota@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
> group.
>
> File : /apes2001.zip
> Uploaded by : rathighway@y...
> Description : Planet of the Apes Screensaver (zipped)
>
> You can access this file at the URL
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/apes2001.zip
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
>
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
> Regards,
>
> rathighway@y...

.html <.html

In a message dated 4/11/01 3:02:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I must say I did not have anyone to talk to about apes at school - everyone
thought my interest in POTA was kinda strange! >>

Join the club Mez. At least we have one now. I guess it's like that tune in
Close Encounters . . . It only speaks to certain people.

Hi, everyone,

I have really enjoyed reading the messages on the board and hoped to
find a POTA 'home' here.
But I think I have upset an important board member. He started
sending me personal e mails and I answered politely. He asked me for
my phone number and home address and when I told him that I wasn't
romantically interested in him, he became very upset.
I didn't expect this sort of thing from a newsgroup and I will be
more cautious in future about responding to personal e mails.
I really wanted the opportunity to make some friends and to talk
about my favorite movie. I did not expect to have one of those scary
encounters you hear about.
To the rest of you, thank you for making my short stay here so
welcoming and fun.
I will stop back to hear what you all think of the Burton remake.
Vanessa

Who the hell did that?
I say we throw them out!

Vanessa,

I have sent a cc to you in case you have already unsubscribed.

I think this is disgraceful behaviour by whomever has made you uncomfortable
and I am so very sorry you have had to suffer an experience like this in our
group. If you go it will be our loss.

I am hoping the person who upset you will own up and promise to stop
contacting you privately and consider leaving the group rather than losing
you, since you have done nothing wrong.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanessa [vanessa1970apecity@...]
Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2001 7:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] I'm sorry.

Hi, everyone,

I have really enjoyed reading the messages on the board and hoped to
find a POTA 'home' here.
But I think I have upset an important board member. He started
sending me personal e mails and I answered politely. He asked me for
my phone number and home address and when I told him that I wasn't
romantically interested in him, he became very upset.
I didn't expect this sort of thing from a newsgroup and I will be
more cautious in future about responding to personal e mails.
I really wanted the opportunity to make some friends and to talk
about my favorite movie. I did not expect to have one of those scary
encounters you hear about.
To the rest of you, thank you for making my short stay here so
welcoming and fun.
I will stop back to hear what you all think of the Burton remake.
Vanessa

In a message dated 4/11/01 5:01:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I am hoping the person who upset you will own up and promise to stop
contacting you privately and consider leaving the group rather than losing
you, since you have done nothing wrong. >>

They should consider the honorable way out, and I don't mean unsubscribing.
What sort of immature loser pulls shit like this. Whomever it may be, I
think they have a future as a potential stalker, but not here! Time to call
in a BBI strike team!

I hear ya brother!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2001 8:13
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] We're sorry.

In a message dated 4/11/01 5:01:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I am hoping the person who upset you will own up and promise to stop
contacting you privately and consider leaving the group rather than losing
you, since you have done nothing wrong. >>

They should consider the honorable way out, and I don't mean unsubscribing.
What sort of immature loser pulls shit like this. Whomever it may be, I
think they have a future as a potential stalker, but not here! Time to call
in a BBI strike team!

.html <.html

Thanks Rory, Michael and LordT. I'm actually surprised to hear you
guys had similar experiences. I mean, PotA is essentially more of
a "guy" thing with all the guns and the half-nekkid women in cages.
Not that I'm casting aspersions on your gender. ;)

I wonder what the ratio of female to male PotA fans is, and if the
appeal is the same or differs between the sexes? /Mez

> << I must say I did not have anyone to talk to about apes at
> school - everyone thought my interest in POTA was kinda
> strange! >>
>
> Join the club Mez. At least we have one now. I guess it's like
> that tune in Close Encounters . . . It only speaks to certain
> people.

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:

> Why don't you just tell us who he is Vanessa?
> I would love to know.

Yes, there's no reason for you to leave, Vanessa. There are ways to
avoid further nuisance emails and still remain part of the group.
Barring any misunderstanding, it's the one who's bugging you who
should go, not you! /Mez

was beginning to worry about how I spend my free moments, along comes
Cavern Boy to make me feel better.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=578512473

Thanks Alex & Dave. These cards look very cool. Nice article. The buzz
is at a low hum. It'll only get louder. Zzzzzzzzzz John

Geez, Vanessa, I'm sorry to hear about this. Don't let some idiot sour
you on this group. John

.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 4:51:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

 Who the hell did that?
I say we throw them out!

I agree with ya.I don't remember the name,but it must be the guy from the
other day. The 30 year old guy that was looking for a woman his age to watch
Apes with,etc...I remember someone asked when the group became a dating
service.Well whoever it is,I really do agree with you on this.He should be
kicked out of the group.

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 4:27:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
vanessa1970apecity@... writes:

I have really enjoyed reading the messages on the board and hoped to
find a POTA 'home' here.
  But I think I have upset an important board member. He started
sending me personal e mails and I answered politely. He asked me for
my phone number and home address and when I told him that I wasn't
romantically interested in him, he became very upset.
 I didn't expect this sort of thing from a newsgroup and I will be
more cautious in future about responding to personal e mails.
  I really wanted the opportunity to make some friends and to talk
about my favorite movie. I did not expect to have one of those scary
encounters you hear about.
 To the rest of you, thank you for making my short stay here so
welcoming and fun.
  I will stop back to hear what you all think of the Burton remake.
  Vanessa

Vanessa,

Don't let one jerk out of the whole group ruin it for you.Stick around for
awhile,you'll see that the rest of aren't like that guy.

<.html

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/11/01 4:51:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Who the hell did that?
> > I say we throw them out!
> >
>
> I agree with ya.I don't remember the name,but it must be the guy

from the

> other day. The 30 year old guy that was looking for a woman his age

to watch

> Apes with,etc...I remember someone asked when the group became a

dating

> service.

Hello again. Even tho I said I was not going to post, I have been
reading all your messages and want to say thank you so much. I also
think that I owe it to whoever this guy was to say that it was not
him who wrote to me. I guess this 30 year old guy's e mail address is
available on the posts and I feel it is the right thing for me to do
to say that it was not a 30 year old who started writing to me.
Anyway I want to say thank you all so much. I did not want to cause
any trouble here and I hope it all blows over soon. Vanessa

.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 5:01:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Vanessa,

I have sent a cc to you in case you have already unsubscribed.

I think this is disgraceful behaviour by whomever has made you uncomfortable
and I am so very sorry you have had to suffer an experience like this in our
group.  If you go it will be our loss.

I am hoping the person who upset you will own up and promise to stop
contacting you privately and consider leaving the group rather than losing
you, since you have done nothing wrong.

Michael

Whitty,

You and I have had our differences of opinion on some things,but I agree with
you on this one 100% as I'm sure the rest of the group does too.That guy
should be the one leaving,not Vanessa.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 5:32:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Why don't you just tell us who he is Vanessa?

I would love to know.

Best,

Alex


Agree with you too man.I wish she would name him then at least his ass could
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 7:47:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
vanessa1970apecity@... writes:

Hello again. Even tho I said I was not going to post, I have been
reading all your messages and want to say thank you so much.  I also
think that I owe it to whoever this guy was to say that it was not
him who wrote to me. I guess this 30 year old guy's e mail address is
available on the posts and I feel it is the right thing for me to do
to say that it was not a 30 year old who started writing to me.
Anyway I want to say thank you all so much. I did not want to cause
any trouble here and I hope it all blows over soon. Vanessa

To the 30 year old guy,I apologize for jumping to conclusions in thinking it
may have been you.I should not have been so quick to think it was you without
getting more information.Again,my apologies.

And to you Vanessa,you didn't start anything.The guy that was bothering you
is the guilty one.He started all the trouble by bothering you and not taking
"no" for an answer.

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Hi, guys

First off, I wanna say thank you to you all for being so great
tonight. As I said to the monitor, you guys are the kinda guys that
make a gal feel safe and protected on the net.
I know you all want me to give you this guy's name. The reasons I
don't want to do that are because this board means so much to him.
Also, I do not want to upset him any more, because my first AND last
name appear on the headers of my e mails and he knows the city I live
in. Paranoia. I know it is. Total. But I live alone and get nervous.
Another thing: I do not want his temper to fly up again. E mails
can be doctored, and if he wanted to he could claim that he is the
innocent party and I'm a she-devil.
I think that this guy is just real lonely and I guess I hurt his
pride when I told him I wasn't interested in him romantically. I'm
sure he is harmless. It is always the guys with the highest opinions
of themselves who are the most harmless.
I just feel sorry for him and maybe I should have just kept it to
myself. But you guys had all given me such a great welcome that I
felt I owed you an explanation why I wasn't going to post anymore.
I know all this will blow over and you guys can get back to talking
about the REMAKE! (l.o.l)

Vanessa

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In a message dated 4/11/01 6:00:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
mdownes@... writes:

<< I wonder what the ratio of female to male PotA fans is, and if the
appeal is the same or differs between the sexes? /Mez >>

I don't know the ratio, but I'll certainly be sorry to lose Venessa in the
group.
I hope should the culprit try the same on you he'll be severely cyberslapped!

I can understand your feelings Alex. I hope this does blow over and
things can get back normal. We shouldn't let some shmuck screw up a good
thing. Take care and hope to read ya later, Go Apes, John

The latest issue of Tomarts Action Figure Digest (#86, with Simpsons on the
cover) has a page of some of the new toys from Hasbro. There's a solid
plastic Leo Davidson in the 6 1/2 inch scale (good Wahlberg likeness
actually), Deluxe Thade on Battle Steed, and an Attar (looks like a 12 inch
doll). There are also a few misc. items like a corkscrew, pencil holder,
paper weight..

Matt

This is all getting a bit silly. Can we drop the soap opera and talk about
Apes?

Matt

I was thinking, if the new movie is a hit, perhaps it could fuel interest in
a new POTA TV show. With so many sci-fi and fantasy type shows on the air
now, not to mention the over abundance of channels thanks to cable and
networks like Fox, the chances of a series like this surviving seem a lot
greater than they did in the 1970s.

Personally, I wouldn't want another series with the same set of characters. I
think it would be cool if it were more like an anthology, with different
story-arcs that lasted 2 or 3 episodes. They could introduce different
characters in different parts of the planet, maybe even different eras in
history. There could be guest stars galore. Bring in the top writers and
directors to work on each arc. I think it could work.

Any thoughts?

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 4/11/01 10:46:33 PM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Personally, I wouldn't want another series with the same set of characters.
I
think it would be cool if it were more like an anthology, with different
story-arcs that lasted 2 or 3 episodes. They could introduce different
characters in different parts of the planet, maybe even different eras in
history. There could be guest stars galore. Bring in the top writers and
directors to work on each arc. I think it could work.

Any thoughts?

I think it'd be cool

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I'm sorry to see you go Vanessa. That person sounds really creepy and I agree
with everyone that he should not be allowed to post on this list. This is not
the place for that kind of behavior.

Loc

.htmlWell, this certainly has been an interesting time with the POTA e-group.  Not
much talking about APES going on I've noticed.

I think Vanessa should tell the name of the member she seems to think is a
problem.  I say this because I can't call for this person to just quit the
group.

You see, I too am guilty of contacting privately another female member of
this group.  I won't say who it is, but I've exchanged several e-mails with
her, and I offered to send her a photocopy of the PLANET pressbook so she
could see what the original ads looked like.  She sent me an address -- a
P.O. box -- and I sent her the pressbook.  I've made sure I've been nothing
but a perfect gentleman with her.

I think that if Vanessa just gets this matter out into the open then she'll
have nothing to worry about.   Maybe, Vanessa, just talking about APES for a
change would help?  You mentioned that after all these years since you were a
kid you now see the sequels as kind of silly and cheesy.  Since I was the
first person here to welcome you to the group, I thought that was a pleasant
coincidence because I can certainly relate.  I kind of have the same view.  
Funny, isn't it, Vanessa?

Perhaps we can start a discussion here in the group of what's wrong with the
sequels?   I'll bet this will probably bore the other members who've heard
enough from me on the subject, but I think they'd love to read your views.

So, what have you got to say, Vanessa?   This is certainly the place for POTA
talk -- if that's why you subscribed?

-- Rory<.html

I do not need to get it out in the open any more. The guys who
know it wasn't them now know it wasn't each OTHER, and that is what
mattered to me. I did not name this guys' name because I didn't want
to embarrass him. Looks like he's done that himself.
Thanks to all of you who have been so great to me. You all
encouraged me to stay but I was afraid that the guy in question would
start posting nasty or challenging posts to me, posts which made
nasty, ungentlemanly insinuations. Why do you think I started
posting on the board if it wasn't to talk about POTA. What a nasty
thing to say.
This is exactly the sort of crap I was afraid of. I joined this
group because I wanted to talk about POTA and hear other people's
experiences. How can I do that now that I've got someone on my back
making snide insinuations and trying to besmirch my character.
Some people clearly think that if a woman is interested in POTA,
she must have an 'ulterior motive'. I guess that's why they think
it's okay to start writing personal e mails describing themselves
as '41 year old single males who look like Tom Cruise and Keanu
Reeves'.
So this is the story. I joined this group to talk about POTA, I
started getting private e mails which I responded to because I was
led to believe they were from the board monitor (how many times did I
say 'congratulations on starting this group' and never get corrected?
Not until the shit hit the fan, anyway!) and then when I say I am not
interested in a romantic liasson, I get unpleasant, rude and nasty e
mails. I make it clear that I do not want to reveal this guy's name
out of respect and compassion for him, but then he goes and brings it
to the board and tries to besmirch MY character, implying that I had
some ulterior motive for joining a PLANET OF THE APES board!
Some people just don't take rejection well, do they.
I think it was Matt who said 'enough of the soap opera', lets talk
about APES. I'm right there with ya, Matt. So I'm going to say
goodbye to all of you.
I won't check the board myself because I'm too afraid of MORE nasty
insinuations. I like gentle folk like most of you are. I have
inadvertently caused a lot of trouble here and I did not mean to. I
love POTA as much as you guys. But I am unsubscribing from the group
so that this guy can keep his 'boys club' the way he likes it.

Vanessa

Hmmmm... Is it me or does something not quite ring true here?

Last week we had "little guy brian" who came out of nowhere causing
friction within the group, this week it's the turn of "Vanessa" doing
the very same.

Have I been watching one too many episodes of the X-files?

And what is the function of a group moderator?

Is it time to decide amongst ourselves on a code of conduct? or does
anything go?

I'm with Matt, let's get back to talking Apes.

I was watching the CGI "Starship Troopers" show this morning (First
time I'd seen it) I think "Apes" could be a strong contender for the
TV CGI treatment. How about a faithful CGI version of the original
Novel?

I'm sorry to hear you've left the group.
Lynn posts all the time and this has never happened to her.
I don't know how this got started but if you wish, I'll forward posts to you
and you can send your responses through me. I have half a dozen screen name,
most I don't use. That way you won't be harassed. I won't forward any
offensive replies.
If you're interested let me know.




T

You may have noticed that Amazon are currently listing dozens of soon
to be published, mostly un-official POTA books... Well don't hold
your breath. Fox have just slapped a ban on any un-authorised
publication using copyrighted pictures (Isn't this what happened to
POTA Revisited?)

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> I was thinking, if the new movie is a hit, perhaps it could fuel
> interest in a new POTA TV show...
> Any thoughts?
>
> Matt

Brill idea! Just think what they could do with an X-File-ish slant,
where different timelines were followed as sub-plots, all of them
working towards 'final' acts. Some timelines could merge, others
could go off on new tangents. Nifty way to explore the quantum
multiverse theory. /Mez

.htmlYeah, this is what's driving Joe Russo nuts!  Fox won't let him use offical
pictures, instead he's using those from Arthur Jacobs private collection.  
Even pictures of a couple poster I have that I sent him can't be used.   

That's Fox for yeah.  Russo says they're greedy and stupid.

-- Rory<.html

Speaking of books, are the old paperback novelizations of the films worth
getting? I have Boulle's original novel and BATTLE (haven't read it), but not
any of the others. Is there any radically different scenes or
characterizations in these novels?

Matt

--- In pota@y..., "Vanessa" <vanessa1970apecity@y...> wrote:

> I guess that's why they think
> it's okay to start writing personal e mails describing themselves
> as '41 year old single males who look like Tom Cruise and Keanu
> Reeves'.

Oh! It's Jim Burns that's harrassing you! Why didn't you just say so?

In a message dated 4/12/01 3:01:37 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< Yeah, this is what's driving Joe Russo nuts! Fox won't let him use
offical
pictures, instead he's using those from Arthur Jacobs private collection.
Even pictures of a couple poster I have that I sent him can't be used.

That's Fox for yeah. Russo says they're greedy and stupid. >>

Hopefully Joe's book won't be affected. From what you've told us about it
Rory, it sounds like a must read.

Matt (who just broke down and ordered Eric Greene's book yesterday from
Amazon)