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Okay, now before you get too excited, I'm not talkin' Classic APES here.

Well good, actually, because this is getting a tad ridiculous.

I waited for years for PotA to become available on video, priced
for home use.  (For years, it was some outrageous price like $85,
obviously a price aimed at video stores, not at consumers.)

Then when it finally DID come out on video, I was disappointed
that it was pan-and-scan, because that obscured some really
great wide-angle shots, like the three hear-no-evil-see-no-evil
orangutans at the hearing, and the shot of Taylor and Cornelius
talking to each other across the ravine.

But okay, I bought it, but I was disappointed.

Then DVD's came out, and I wondered why PotA wasn't on DVD.
But at least it came out in widescreen format on VHS at that
time, so I bought that too, but again I was disappointed, because
I wanted the DVD.

Then, just a year or two later, it finally came out on DVD, and I
felt disappointed again, because (a) it seemed clear to me that
this was a ploy to get me to buy the movie several times, and
(b) it was working.

But good lord, if they come out with a special edition of the
DVD (and I'm talking about the first film here), I'm going to be
more and more upset about all of this.  Why can't Fox just do
it right the first time, and quit stringing me along like this???

(If they ever DO create a "special edition" of the first film, here's
hoping they spend some time to get the subtitles correct.  It
still irks me that the subtitles have Zaius saying, "Your greed
made a desert of it," when we all know that he really says that
"Your BREED made a desert of it."  There are others that need
corrections, but that one really bugs me.)

--

Brian C. Madsen

BCMadsen@...

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.html If these are so rare, why is this the third one to pop up this past month?

#2 <1125796227 Rare 60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster  $51.00>
#1 <1129848305 Rare 60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster  $51.00>

This "offbeatoz" guy must have quite a few of these RARE items, or some pretty warm printing presses!

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 Click here: eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) - Rare
60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster
 

Hey Gang,

Note who's got the high bid on this item!!!    Anybody care to outbid him?
HA!  HA!

-- Rory
 
 

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I've never read the complete draft of POTM. Just that bit that was
posted the other day. That translation has got to. Yikes! I've never agreed
with Heston's position that there was no need for a sequel. Far to the
contrary. Speaking for myself, the end of POTA immediately brings to mind the
question "What happened next?" It makes perfect sense for Taylor's character
to complete the journey to rediscovering his humanity. And resurrecting
humanity. Sure it seems obvious, but sometimes that's the best way to go. Any
thoughts? John P.S. Happy Holidays to all.

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Haristas@... writes:

Hey Gang,

Note who's got the high bid on this item!!!    Anybody care to outbid him?  
  
HA!  HA!

-- Rory

I should outbid him.I really think I would if the shipping wasn't so damn
high.But if I did,he'd probably try to find some political reason as to why I
did it.

And by the way,am I the only one that REALLY thinks Eric Greene really should
not have been involved with the APES documentary?In all honesty I think they
should have just stuck with people that were actually INVOLVED with the
production of the films.I mean just cuz he wrote that book of his does not
mean he is an authority on any of it.I think I would rather have seen one of
you guys in there.It would have made as much sense.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 11:14:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
BCMadsen@... writes:

Then when it finally DID come out on video, I was disappointed
that it was pan-and-scan, because that obscured some really
great wide-angle shots, like the three hear-no-evil-see-no-evil
orangutans at the hearing, and the shot of Taylor and Cornelius
talking to each other across the ravine.

But okay, I bought it, but I was disappointed.

Then DVD's came out, and I wondered why PotA wasn't on DVD.
But at least it came out in widescreen format on VHS at that
time, so I bought that too, but again I was disappointed, because
I wanted the DVD.

Then, just a year or two later, it finally came out on DVD, and I
felt disappointed again, because (a) it seemed clear to me that
this was a ploy to get me to buy the movie several times, and
(b) it was working.

But good lord, if they come out with a special edition of the
DVD (and I'm talking about the first film here), I'm going to be
more and more upset about all of this.  Why can't Fox just do
it right the first time, and quit stringing me along like this???

(If they ever DO create a "special edition" of the first film, here's
hoping they spend some time to get the subtitles correct.  It
still irks me that the subtitles have Zaius saying, "Your greed
made a desert of it," when we all know that he really says that
"Your BREED made a desert of it."  There are others that need
corrections, but that one really bugs me.)

--

I agree with you on all of this.Like you,I bought the wide screen VHS set and
when it was put out on DVD,I bought that too.

I also am with you on the question of "why didn't they do it right to begin
with"?But I will say if they ever do create a "special edition" of APES,I'll
probably buy it.I actually know I'd buy it.

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:52 AM

Subject: RE: [pota] Where were you all...?

Never mind Jeff,

 

I met another Aussie tonight who understands your interest in POTA - Michael Hellen - nice guy.  He says hi!

 

Michael

 

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From: Jack Krueger [mailto:williejoe@...]
Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 16:55
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Where were you all...?

Naw, it's just each to their own. I don't get Natalie's love of TV detective shows. I don't know what Booth is in to but I could probably poke holes in that, too. When I was a kid, my friends liked the "6 Million Dollar Man" or "Starsky and Hutch" while I liked "Apes". That's what's so great about this group. Apes of a feather.                                                    - - - - Jeff

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:16 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Where were you all...?

In a message dated 4/15/01 12:04:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

My interest in "Planet of the Apes" is thought strange by Natalie Trundy and
Booth Colman.       - - - Jeff

Are you serious?If so did they give you any reasons?

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:58 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Ari & Leo love scene

In a message dated 4/15/01 12:59:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Does the term "religious fanatics" mean anything to you guys? Controversy of
any kind does not sit well for a movie that has toys to sell. That they are
even going near ittakes guts these days. This isn't the
'60's.          - - - - Jeff

No, it's the corporate 2000's.   "Religious fanatics"?!!!    The only preying
I ever do goes something like this,  "God, please save me from religious
fanatics!"

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:41 AM

Subject: [pota] "Planet of the Men" and Pierre Boulle

Well, my thoughts on the "Planet of the Men" script so far is firstly "Why
did Boulle write this?"   He was not a screenwriter, and in fact I read once
where he thought watching films was rather juvenile.  I also remember that in
an interview with Boulle in the 1972 POTA issue of Cinefantastique, when he
was asked about this script all he said was, "Yes, I played the game."

What I suspect brought this script into being was that Boulle had probably
sold the screenrights to his book for next to nothing back in '63 or '64.   
So, now in '68 the movie adaptation is a huge hit and Boulle isn't seeing any
money.   When the studio decided very quickly to do a sequel, Boulle or his
agent probably saw an opportunity to make a little money.  Jacobs may have
very kindly offered Boulle some of the money APES was making if Boulle would
submit a treatment.  The Boulle script sort of reads like a script version of
just a treatment.  Boulle certainly had no sense of how to stage a scene, of
what would make an audience unintentionally laugh, and he for sure couldn't
write dialogue.  But he probably didn't worry about any of this, for as
anyone who's studied Hollywood filmmaking knows, scripts aren't written --
they're re-written.

I have a 1996 book about the writings of Pierre Boulle by Lucille Frackman
Becker, who had a correspondence with Boulle during the last couple years of
his life.  As regards to POTA, it's rather interesting.

Becker calls Boulle's "La planete des singes" a "remarkably conceived and
executed" novel, that "is primarily a work of social criticism reminiscent of
Swift and Voltaire."   And that Boulle considered the book "not science
fiction, " that "the apes in the work are like humans as two peas in a pod;
they are in fact human beings.  The novel is really satire; the characters
you see in 'Planet of the Apes' have nothing in common with the fantastic
beings that populate works of science fiction."

Becker also writes, "Like Voltaire's tale 'Micromegas,'  Boulle's novel mocks
humankind's anthropocentric theory of the universe from which human beings
derive their sense of importance."

But wait until you read what Becker thinks of the 1968 film adaptation:

"All philosophical inquiry and all social critism have been ignored by the
makers of the film 'Planet of the Apes,' who, unfortunately, converted the
novel into what is called 'space opera,' a type of fiction midway between bad
science fiction and nonscience fiction, patterned on the western and
containing diverse elements taken from the fairy or fantastic tale."  And of
the scenes of the astronaut's trek in the beginning of the film she writes,
"Then they are shown walking along in the desert, outlined against the vast
sky of the typical cowboy film.  Like most westerns, the film contains many
chase sequenses, including the hunting scene from the novel, but here, in a
change approved by Boulle, the apes are on horseback instead of on foot as in
the traditional hunting beat he described in the novel.

"The denouement of the film is equally unsatisfactory.  Aided by friendly
chimpanzees ('good' Indians) and chased by hostile gorillas and orangutans
('bad' Indians), Taylor and Nova escape on horseback across the American
western landscape.  After a series of shootouts, with apes falling from
horses and off cliffs, they find themselves on a beach.  Before them, buried
in the sand, is part of the Statue of Liberty.

"This conclusion was dictated by the producers of the film, who fely the need
for something more dramatic -- or perhaps psychologically more acceptable --
than apathy to explain the collapse of human civilization, and decided on a
nuclear war, a convention of the time.  While Pierre Boulle disapproved of
the film, because it ignored the philosophical and social questions at the
heart of his work, he was particulary critical of the ending, which even did
away with the notion of space travel by indicating that the protagonist had,
in fact, never left Earth."

WELL!!!  I guess she didn't like the film to much.  Actually, I don't think
she gave it much consideration.

A funny thing about her book is that there's no mention of Boulle's "Planet
of the Men" script.  I tried to write her about it, but they were returned
address unknown.

I do think she is kind of right about PLANET playing more like a western
(with elements of Tarzan movies) than like whatever her idea of what a
Science Fiction movie should be.  I've for a long time seen the
leather-jacket gorillas in the hunt sequence as like the US Cavalry of the
1870's hunting down Indians -- and in a field of maize to boot!

But, anyway, to bring this all back around to the "Planet of the Men"
script.... This thing is definitely Boulle trying to reclaim the concept away
from what Rod Serling brought to it.   Now Taylor, like Merou in the novel,
will attempt to be a savior of mankind, and as you'll see -- as with all of
Boulle's works laced with irony -- nothing turns out well.

-- Rory



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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:41 AM

Subject: [pota] "Planet of the Men" and Pierre Boulle

Well, my thoughts on the "Planet of the Men" script so far is firstly "Why
did Boulle write this?"   He was not a screenwriter, and in fact I read once
where he thought watching films was rather juvenile.  I also remember that in
an interview with Boulle in the 1972 POTA issue of Cinefantastique, when he
was asked about this script all he said was, "Yes, I played the game."

What I suspect brought this script into being was that Boulle had probably
sold the screenrights to his book for next to nothing back in '63 or '64.   
So, now in '68 the movie adaptation is a huge hit and Boulle isn't seeing any
money.   When the studio decided very quickly to do a sequel, Boulle or his
agent probably saw an opportunity to make a little money.  Jacobs may have
very kindly offered Boulle some of the money APES was making if Boulle would
submit a treatment.  The Boulle script sort of reads like a script version of
just a treatment.  Boulle certainly had no sense of how to stage a scene, of
what would make an audience unintentionally laugh, and he for sure couldn't
write dialogue.  But he probably didn't worry about any of this, for as
anyone who's studied Hollywood filmmaking knows, scripts aren't written --
they're re-written.

I have a 1996 book about the writings of Pierre Boulle by Lucille Frackman
Becker, who had a correspondence with Boulle during the last couple years of
his life.  As regards to POTA, it's rather interesting.

Becker calls Boulle's "La planete des singes" a "remarkably conceived and
executed" novel, that "is primarily a work of social criticism reminiscent of
Swift and Voltaire."   And that Boulle considered the book "not science
fiction, " that "the apes in the work are like humans as two peas in a pod;
they are in fact human beings.  The novel is really satire; the characters
you see in 'Planet of the Apes' have nothing in common with the fantastic
beings that populate works of science fiction."

Becker also writes, "Like Voltaire's tale 'Micromegas,'  Boulle's novel mocks
humankind's anthropocentric theory of the universe from which human beings
derive their sense of importance."

But wait until you read what Becker thinks of the 1968 film adaptation:

"All philosophical inquiry and all social critism have been ignored by the
makers of the film 'Planet of the Apes,' who, unfortunately, converted the
novel into what is called 'space opera,' a type of fiction midway between bad
science fiction and nonscience fiction, patterned on the western and
containing diverse elements taken from the fairy or fantastic tale."  And of
the scenes of the astronaut's trek in the beginning of the film she writes,
"Then they are shown walking along in the desert, outlined against the vast
sky of the typical cowboy film.  Like most westerns, the film contains many
chase sequenses, including the hunting scene from the novel, but here, in a
change approved by Boulle, the apes are on horseback instead of on foot as in
the traditional hunting beat he described in the novel.

"The denouement of the film is equally unsatisfactory.  Aided by friendly
chimpanzees ('good' Indians) and chased by hostile gorillas and orangutans
('bad' Indians), Taylor and Nova escape on horseback across the American
western landscape.  After a series of shootouts, with apes falling from
horses and off cliffs, they find themselves on a beach.  Before them, buried
in the sand, is part of the Statue of Liberty.

"This conclusion was dictated by the producers of the film, who fely the need
for something more dramatic -- or perhaps psychologically more acceptable --
than apathy to explain the collapse of human civilization, and decided on a
nuclear war, a convention of the time.  While Pierre Boulle disapproved of
the film, because it ignored the philosophical and social questions at the
heart of his work, he was particulary critical of the ending, which even did
away with the notion of space travel by indicating that the protagonist had,
in fact, never left Earth."

WELL!!!  I guess she didn't like the film to much.  Actually, I don't think
she gave it much consideration.

A funny thing about her book is that there's no mention of Boulle's "Planet
of the Men" script.  I tried to write her about it, but they were returned
address unknown.

I do think she is kind of right about PLANET playing more like a western
(with elements of Tarzan movies) than like whatever her idea of what a
Science Fiction movie should be.  I've for a long time seen the
leather-jacket gorillas in the hunt sequence as like the US Cavalry of the
1870's hunting down Indians -- and in a field of maize to boot!

But, anyway, to bring this all back around to the "Planet of the Men"
script.... This thing is definitely Boulle trying to reclaim the concept away
from what Rod Serling brought to it.   Now Taylor, like Merou in the novel,
will attempt to be a savior of mankind, and as you'll see -- as with all of
Boulle's works laced with irony -- nothing turns out well.

-- Rory



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I opened the soldier ape just so I'd have one opened. The "rest" (6) are in
the package. There's not much articulation. I have loose Megos and those
Hasbro ones and they are much more fun. They can be posed. The Medicoms
(given the price) are best just to look at. - - - - Jeff

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From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Great Medicom Deal!


>
> In a message dated 4/15/01 12:25:18 AM, williejoe@... writes:
>
> <<Is this soldier ape rare? I got one and opened it up! - - Jeff>>
>
> Supposedly. The prices on ebay are sky high on this piece.
>
> I opened mine too! What good is a toy if you can't play with it.
>
> Matt
>
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>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:55 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) - Rare 60s P

Click here: eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) - Rare
60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster


Hey Gang,

Note who's got the high bid on this item!!!    Anybody care to outbid him?   
HA!  HA!

-- Rory




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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian C. Madsen

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:11 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Special Edition of POTA is coming!!!!

At 09:48 AM 4/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

Okay, now before you get too excited, I'm not talkin' Classic APES here.

Well good, actually, because this is getting a tad ridiculous.

I waited for years for PotA to become available on video, priced
for home use.  (For years, it was some outrageous price like $85,
obviously a price aimed at video stores, not at consumers.)

Then when it finally DID come out on video, I was disappointed
that it was pan-and-scan, because that obscured some really
great wide-angle shots, like the three hear-no-evil-see-no-evil
orangutans at the hearing, and the shot of Taylor and Cornelius
talking to each other across the ravine.

But okay, I bought it, but I was disappointed.

Then DVD's came out, and I wondered why PotA wasn't on DVD.
But at least it came out in widescreen format on VHS at that
time, so I bought that too, but again I was disappointed, because
I wanted the DVD.

Then, just a year or two later, it finally came out on DVD, and I
felt disappointed again, because (a) it seemed clear to me that
this was a ploy to get me to buy the movie several times, and
(b) it was working.

But good lord, if they come out with a special edition of the
DVD (and I'm talking about the first film here), I'm going to be
more and more upset about all of this.  Why can't Fox just do
it right the first time, and quit stringing me along like this???

(If they ever DO create a "special edition" of the first film, here's
hoping they spend some time to get the subtitles correct.  It
still irks me that the subtitles have Zaius saying, "Your greed
made a desert of it," when we all know that he really says that
"Your BREED made a desert of it."  There are others that need
corrections, but that one really bugs me.)

--

Brian C. Madsen

BCMadsen@...

(work: brian.madsen@...)

http://home.earthlink.net/~bcmadsen/

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:56 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Special Edition of POTA is coming!!!!

In a message dated 4/15/01 11:14:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
BCMadsen@... writes:

Then when it finally DID come out on video, I was disappointed
that it was pan-and-scan, because that obscured some really
great wide-angle shots, like the three hear-no-evil-see-no-evil
orangutans at the hearing, and the shot of Taylor and Cornelius
talking to each other across the ravine.

But okay, I bought it, but I was disappointed.

Then DVD's came out, and I wondered why PotA wasn't on DVD.
But at least it came out in widescreen format on VHS at that
time, so I bought that too, but again I was disappointed, because
I wanted the DVD.

Then, just a year or two later, it finally came out on DVD, and I
felt disappointed again, because (a) it seemed clear to me that
this was a ploy to get me to buy the movie several times, and
(b) it was working.

But good lord, if they come out with a special edition of the
DVD (and I'm talking about the first film here), I'm going to be
more and more upset about all of this.  Why can't Fox just do
it right the first time, and quit stringing me along like this???

(If they ever DO create a "special edition" of the first film, here's
hoping they spend some time to get the subtitles correct.  It
still irks me that the subtitles have Zaius saying, "Your greed
made a desert of it," when we all know that he really says that
"Your BREED made a desert of it."  There are others that need
corrections, but that one really bugs me.)

--

I agree with you on all of this.Like you,I bought the wide screen VHS set and
when it was put out on DVD,I bought that too.

I also am with you on the question of "why didn't they do it right to begin
with"?But I will say if they ever do create a "special edition" of APES,I'll
probably buy it.I actually know I'd buy it.


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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
BCMadsen@... writes:

But good lord, if they come out with a special edition of the
DVD (and I'm talking about the first film here), I'm going to be
more and more upset about all of this.  Why can't Fox just do
it right the first time, and quit stringing me along like this???

Brian,

Let me tell you something....  I'm a movie nut.  I've bought movies at the
beginning of VHS that I then had to buy again when they got re-mastered, then
again when they got hi-fi sound, then again when I got into laserdiscs, then
again when they got letterboxed on laserdisc, then again when "Special
Collector's Editions" came out on laserdisc, THEN out with the laserdiscs and
in with the DVDs.  Now comes remastered DVDs and Special Collector's Edition
DVDs.  It will never end.  One movie mogal once said, "Movies are great
because they're a product you can sell and still own."   The Studios know
that there are enough film buffs that will keep buying their favorites over
and over -- How do you think they make their money?

So, when a Special Edition of the original PLANET OF THE APES comes out, I'll
buy it, and I expect then I'll have to get a widescreen TV to watch it in the
anamorphic format so the resolution is better.

The when we have something like Hi-Definition DVDs, I expect I'll have to buy
POTA -- and a whole lot of other movies -- again.

I guess it'll all end when I just don't give a damn anymore, or I'm old and
can't afford it, or I'm dead.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 1:29:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Rory!

What's the name of this book and who's the publisher? I've been compiling
research on Boulle for years for an article about him.                      
     - - - - Jeff


The book was expensive (like $40.00, and it's not very long, just 145 pages)  
and it's now out of print.  Send me your address again -- privately, of
course -- and I'll send you the book, if you'll send it back.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 1:45:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Boy, he's got the life. After the success of "Planet of the Apes" as
American Myth he was able to retire. And those documentary residuals keep
pouring in. Too bad he doesn't remember his friends!                      -
- - - Jeff

Are you kidding?   That book made him that much money?  I find that hard to
believe.  I wouldn't have thought that many people would have been interested
in reading it.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 1:57:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

What about the folks who spent $75 a pop on the laserdiscs?

That would be this 'sucker'!   That first widescreen edition of PLANET on
laserdisc was terrible.  I wrote to Fox for years about getting it
remastered.  It took them seven years to do it, and they probably still
wouldn't have it done if it wasn't for all the crap that's gone on trying to
get the new version made.

-- Rory



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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Planet of the Men" and Pierre Boulle

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:29:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Rory!

What's the name of this book and who's the publisher? I've been compiling
research on Boulle for years for an article about him.                      
     - - - - Jeff

The book was expensive (like $40.00, and it's not very long, just 145 pages)  
and it's now out of print.  Send me your address again -- privately, of
course -- and I'll send you the book, if you'll send it back.

-- Rory



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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:12 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) -...

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:45:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Boy, he's got the life. After the success of "Planet of the Apes" as
American Myth he was able to retire. And those documentary residuals keep
pouring in. Too bad he doesn't remember his friends!                      -
- - - Jeff

Are you kidding?   That book made him that much money?  I find that hard to
believe.  I wouldn't have thought that many people would have been interested
in reading it.

-- Rory



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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 2:20:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Well, I'd like to track down a copy for myself. Just give me the name and
the publisher (American?). If I can't find it, maybe I'll take you up on
that when I write the article.   Thanks!

                                                            - - - - - Jeff


Well, okay.  It's "Pierre Boulle" by Lucille Frackman Becker.  It was
published by Twayne Publishers in 1996.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 2:22:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

No, I was joking. The book did well for what it was but, it ain't "Star
Wars", baby.                      - - - - Jeff

Well, I thought so.  If you'd told me it was true I think I'd have died of
envy, though I couldn't have written the book he did.  He put a lot of
research into it, and deserves all the praise, but if I'd tried writing such
a thing I'd have stopped every other sentence and thought, "How's gonna buy
this crap?"

I should send you an article I had published about PLANET in a video journal
called 'The Perfect Vision' in 1991.  I was decontructing POTA when Eric
Greene was just getting started.  They paid me $500.00 for it, too.  I
couldn't believe it.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:32 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Planet of the Men" and Pierre Boulle

In a message dated 4/15/01 2:20:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Well, I'd like to track down a copy for myself. Just give me the name and
the publisher (American?). If I can't find it, maybe I'll take you up on
that when I write the article.   Thanks!

                                                            - - - - - Jeff

Well, okay.  It's "Pierre Boulle" by Lucille Frackman Becker.  It was
published by Twayne Publishers in 1996.

-- Rory



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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:38 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) -...

In a message dated 4/15/01 2:22:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

No, I was joking. The book did well for what it was but, it ain't "Star
Wars", baby.                      - - - - Jeff

Well, I thought so.  If you'd told me it was true I think I'd have died of
envy, though I couldn't have written the book he did.  He put a lot of
research into it, and deserves all the praise, but if I'd tried writing such
a thing I'd have stopped every other sentence and thought, "How's gonna buy
this crap?"

I should send you an article I had published about PLANET in a video journal
called 'The Perfect Vision' in 1991.  I was decontructing POTA when Eric
Greene was just getting started.  They paid me $500.00 for it, too.  I
couldn't believe it.

-- Rory



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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:10 PM

Subject: [pota] The Remake

Oh my God it's THE DARK CRYSTAL remake!!

hehehe!!

 

Best,

 

Alex

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.htmlHas anyone noticed the change Fox has made in the POTA logo?

The "of the" being written small and tucked under the P and L, and APES not
coming up even with the T in PLANET.

I know this sounds like ridiculous nitpicking, but I love the classic logo
the way it was.

Why, O Fox?   Why?

Maybe when they renewed the copyright they had to make subtle changes to it.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 1:44 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA logo

Has anyone noticed the change Fox has made in the POTA logo?

The "of the" being written small and tucked under the P and L, and APES not
coming up even with the T in PLANET.

I know this sounds like ridiculous nitpicking, but I love the classic logo
the way it was.

Why, O Fox?   Why?

Maybe when they renewed the copyright they had to make subtle changes to it.

-- Rory



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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 4:57:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Actually, I was pleased how similar it looked to the original. I thought
they'd go for something more radical, given it's a "reinvention". By the
way, Dark Horse is offering "Apes" computer wallpaper for those who are
interested. They've got preview pages, interviews and a contest to go to
the premiere.

                                                                 - - - -
Jeff


Oh, I know, Williejoe.  I just checked it out and registered for the contest.
 Now, if I win, I can go to the premiere and if I don't like the movie I can
declare to all....

                                                            "It Sucked!!!!"

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.html What's will all the Greene bashing?  How can the appearance of one mutant send everyone into a panic?  What has he done?

(just wondering)

B

Jack Krueger wrote:

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From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:18 PM

Subject: [pota] Too bad he doesn't remember his friends!

What's will all the Greene bashing?  How can the appearance of one mutant send everyone into a panic?  What has he done?

(just wondering)

B

Jack Krueger wrote:

Boy, he's got the life. After the success of "Planet of the Apes" as American Myth he was able to retire. And those documentary residuals keep pouring in. Too bad he doesn't remember his friends!                      - - - - Jeff

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Brian C. Madsen wrote:

> Then, just a year or two later, it finally came out on DVD, and I
> felt disappointed again, because (a) it seemed clear to me that
> this was a ploy to get me to buy the movie several times, and
> (b) it was working.
>
>

Then it's just as well that you not a Star Wars fan, Brian (well, maybe
you are?). Imagine how many copies you'd have of that series by now!
Best,
KEN

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I bought one of these posters off this guy. He told me he bought them from an ex-employee of the company that released them along w/ a bunch of other 60's posters. He didn't tell me how many he had but it does look like he may have a few.
I also think Eric Greene has bid on ( and has been outbid on) each one posted so far.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

 If these are so rare, why is this the third one to pop up this past month?

#2 <1125796227 Rare 60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster  $51.00>
#1 <1129848305 Rare 60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster  $51.00>

This "offbeatoz" guy must have quite a few of these RARE items, or some pretty warm printing presses!

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 Click here: eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) - Rare
60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster
 

Hey Gang,

Note who's got the high bid on this item!!!    Anybody care to outbid him?
HA!  HA!

-- Rory
 
 
 

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.html But he is a "Film Historian" AND he was in Space Academy. None of us have such credentials.
 

 

I should outbid him.I really think I would if the shipping wasn't so damn
high.But if I did,he'd probably try to find some political reason as to why I
did it.

And by the way,am I the only one that REALLY thinks Eric Greene really should
not have been involved with the APES documentary?In all honesty I think they
should have just stuck with people that were actually INVOLVED with the
production of the films.I mean just cuz he wrote that book of his does not
mean he is an authority on any of it.I think I would rather have seen one of
you guys in there.It would have made as much sense.

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--- In pota@y..., Dave Ballard <dballard@c...> wrote:

> What I'd like is some discussion from the group about what else we
> can't see. How was the ship supposed to land? ("We weren't
> programmed to land in the water") or more importantly how was it
> supposed to take off again? Did it have wheels and under carriage?
> What type of fuel or propulsion did it use? Standard solid fuel
> rockets or an unknown "Warp" or "Hyper" drive system (A "Hasslien"
> drive)

These are questions I've been working on myself recently. I think you
can discount hyper or warp-drives. There would have been no need for
Taylor and crew to go into stasis for the journey if they had such
capabilities, and the highly advanced technology required to make
them feasible propulsion systems wasn't reflected in the sequels.
(The A-bomb, people driving around in fossil-fuel guzzling cars,
etc.) You can also discount chemical rockets because they'd be
depleted long before the ship left our solar system.

What that leaves for interstellar travel is antimatter, fusion plasma
propulsion, and solid core nuclear fusion. Nix the first two for the
same reason above -- out of line with the technology timeline. The
last is the one I'd go with. Nuclear fusion engines are within easy
reach. It just takes some bright spark to figure out how to make a
reactor chamber small enough to fit on a ship the size of Taylor's,
and how to fuel it efficiently for long-duration spaceflight.

Not that it has any bearing, but you might recall that in the tv
series ep 'The Trap', Burke tells Urko that in his time everything
was powered by nuclear energy, even the subway trains. So the nuclear
propulsion idea fits the writing intent of the time anyway.

My guess is the ship had no need of a launch vehicle (unless Dr. Milo
was *very* clever). Probably it was fully maneuverable in or out of
earth's atmosphere, had landing gear for takeoffs and landings, and
its powerful nuclear engines would enable it to reach escape velocity
on its own. /Mez

Jinkies Scooby!
This whole episode has been a real mystery. And they would have gotten away
with it if it wasn't for us meddling kids!
Time for a Scooby snack.

I know this case is closed but I've been away for a few days and missed all
the drama. Not that we needed this kind of drama in the first place. Although
everyone's aired their opinions on the subject, I just wanted to add how
appalling, yet pathetic and quite sad the culprit is. I also hazard a guess
that the culprit is conspicuous by their absence but is still lurking and
most probably feels like an idiot.
Good.

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cleaning out my emails and realized that I didn't answer your question. Yes, I worked at Fox from August '84.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

 Thanks Ken. . .   Rupert took over Fox in '85. Is that when you were there? Or do you mean when they started the Australian studio? If not, do you mean you worked for News Corp. in '85? - - - Jeff

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From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

 Hi Jeff,
Sounds like a detailed article you're writing there.
Although I'm not a history buff, that whole Gallipoli thing was pretty much a big deal, as much as the attack on Pearl Harbour was for America ( I guess? Michael, can you back me up here?). I never saw the movie.
I was at Fox when Rupert bought it. It didn't really effect us day to day ( other than the creation of the Australian Studio where we later moved). We just became part of a larger organization.That being News Limited. Corporately, this had it's benefits as we were able to "synergise" ( is that even a word) with our "sister" companies to maximize cost effectiveness. If anything, the bottom line became more important than ever before ( like any large corporation), and probably still is. Bill Mechanic would probably never get the chance to go out on a limb with a project like Titanic ever again, if he was still with the company. Hence, Fox tend to go for "safer bets" or lower budget films for higher turnover ( teen market films) these days. This of coarse, is only my observation, generally most people I worked with were quite content . For me, I'd just been there for too long.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.   Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?  Thanks.                                                  - - - - Jeff Krueger----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

 I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:06 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

Hi Jeff,
cleaning out my emails and realized that I didn't answer your question. Yes, I worked at Fox from August '84.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

 Thanks Ken. . .   Rupert took over Fox in '85. Is that when you were there? Or do you mean when they started the Australian studio? If not, do you mean you worked for News Corp. in '85? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Ausralian fans - - - help!

 Hi Jeff,
Sounds like a detailed article you're writing there.
Although I'm not a history buff, that whole Gallipoli thing was pretty much a big deal, as much as the attack on Pearl Harbour was for America ( I guess? Michael, can you back me up here?). I never saw the movie.
I was at Fox when Rupert bought it. It didn't really effect us day to day ( other than the creation of the Australian Studio where we later moved). We just became part of a larger organization.That being News Limited. Corporately, this had it's benefits as we were able to "synergise" ( is that even a word) with our "sister" companies to maximize cost effectiveness. If anything, the bottom line became more important than ever before ( like any large corporation), and probably still is. Bill Mechanic would probably never get the chance to go out on a limb with a project like Titanic ever again, if he was still with the company. Hence, Fox tend to go for "safer bets" or lower budget films for higher turnover ( teen market films) these days. This of coarse, is only my observation, generally most people I worked with were quite content . For me, I'd just been there for too long.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  I'm doing an article for "Ape Chronicles" about Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns 20th Century Fox. His dad, Keith Murdoch is supposedly a "legend" in Australia as the journalist who reported on the battle of Gallipoli and put an end to it. Rupert even produced a movie about "Gallipoli" starring Mel Gibson.   Is the battle of Gallipoli a revered historical legend in Australia? Ken, since you worked for Fox in Australia, what was the opinion there about Rupert Murdoch?  Thanks.                                                  - - - - Jeff Krueger----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicom display

 I'm new to this group,so I haven't read all of the old
postings.But,apparently there are people out there that are saying what I've
been saying since the beginning:The new movie isn't an APES film at all.To
those that have been saying it,thank you for showing me that there are some
people that haven't been lobotomized.I have posted things on other sights and
have gotten either no backing,or a "lets wait and see" type of response.Like
I said,I haven't read all of the old postings,but I'm assuming that there
were postings saying it isn't an APES movie.To those that did say it,I agree
with you 100%!!!!.

Let's face it,what they are doing is using the APES name only (probably to
lead the uninformed to the theatre to see this worthless piece of crap of a
movie.)And,they are more or less saying it themselves,that this ISN"T an APES
movie.It has nothing to do with that super great movie that started it all.It
NEVER will!No movie has ever come that close.And to me,Zanuck is a
traitor.Why you ask,because he is "selling out" POTA thats why.

I feel bad for the ones that are being brainwashed into thinking this is in
anyway an APES movie.How they can be told,it has nothing to do with the great
APES movies that they CLAIM to be fans of,and yet they support  this mockery
of them.It is just stupid.Just because it is being called PLANET OF THE APES
DOES NOT make it so.The ones that will fall for this piece of s*** movie are
totally out of touch as to what APES really is.And they probably think the
"Jason and Alexander" stories in the old APES magazines are real APES
stories.And I'm sure they thought the APE-NATION comics were the real deal
too.Too bad.

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Mez - - -

Can you come over and fix my car?

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Taylor's ship


> --- In pota@y..., Dave Ballard <dballard@c...> wrote:
> > What I'd like is some discussion from the group about what else we
> > can't see. How was the ship supposed to land? ("We weren't
> > programmed to land in the water") or more importantly how was it
> > supposed to take off again? Did it have wheels and under carriage?
> > What type of fuel or propulsion did it use? Standard solid fuel
> > rockets or an unknown "Warp" or "Hyper" drive system (A "Hasslien"
> > drive)
>
> These are questions I've been working on myself recently. I think you
> can discount hyper or warp-drives. There would have been no need for
> Taylor and crew to go into stasis for the journey if they had such
> capabilities, and the highly advanced technology required to make
> them feasible propulsion systems wasn't reflected in the sequels.
> (The A-bomb, people driving around in fossil-fuel guzzling cars,
> etc.) You can also discount chemical rockets because they'd be
> depleted long before the ship left our solar system.
>
> What that leaves for interstellar travel is antimatter, fusion plasma
> propulsion, and solid core nuclear fusion. Nix the first two for the
> same reason above -- out of line with the technology timeline. The
> last is the one I'd go with. Nuclear fusion engines are within easy
> reach. It just takes some bright spark to figure out how to make a
> reactor chamber small enough to fit on a ship the size of Taylor's,
> and how to fuel it efficiently for long-duration spaceflight.
>
> Not that it has any bearing, but you might recall that in the tv
> series ep 'The Trap', Burke tells Urko that in his time everything
> was powered by nuclear energy, even the subway trains. So the nuclear
> propulsion idea fits the writing intent of the time anyway.
>
> My guess is the ship had no need of a launch vehicle (unless Dr. Milo
> was *very* clever). Probably it was fully maneuverable in or out of
> earth's atmosphere, had landing gear for takeoffs and landings, and
> its powerful nuclear engines would enable it to reach escape velocity
> on its own. /Mez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

One of my fave prayers goes like this . . . God please don't let the new Apes
movie totally suck.

Are you kidding? God's going to be there opening day. Well, God is
everywhere so He'll be there closing day,
- - - - Jeff

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From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Ari & Leo love scene


>
>
> One of my fave prayers goes like this . . . God please don't let the new
Apes
> movie totally suck.
>
>
>
>
>
>

The ape on the first poster wasn't Michael Clark Duncan after all, but
Cary - Hiroyuki Tagawa. He ape-peared at a convention with Linda Harrison a
couple weeks ago and mentioned it's him ( I found this out on "that website
about tim burton"). He also starts the summer with "Pearl Harbor" and ends
with "Apes" . He plays Ari's servant.

-
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Taylor's ship


> --- In pota@y..., Dave Ballard <dballard@c...> wrote:
> > What I'd like is some discussion from the group about what else we
> > can't see. How was the ship supposed to land? ("We weren't
> > programmed to land in the water") or more importantly how was it
> > supposed to take off again? Did it have wheels and under carriage?
> > What type of fuel or propulsion did it use? Standard solid fuel
> > rockets or an unknown "Warp" or "Hyper" drive system (A "Hasslien"
> > drive)
>
> These are questions I've been working on myself recently. I think you
> can discount hyper or warp-drives. There would have been no need for
> Taylor and crew to go into stasis for the journey if they had such
> capabilities, and the highly advanced technology required to make
> them feasible propulsion systems wasn't reflected in the sequels.
> (The A-bomb, people driving around in fossil-fuel guzzling cars,
> etc.) You can also discount chemical rockets because they'd be
> depleted long before the ship left our solar system.
>
> What that leaves for interstellar travel is antimatter, fusion plasma
> propulsion, and solid core nuclear fusion. Nix the first two for the
> same reason above -- out of line with the technology timeline. The
> last is the one I'd go with. Nuclear fusion engines are within easy
> reach. It just takes some bright spark to figure out how to make a
> reactor chamber small enough to fit on a ship the size of Taylor's,
> and how to fuel it efficiently for long-duration spaceflight.
>
> Not that it has any bearing, but you might recall that in the tv
> series ep 'The Trap', Burke tells Urko that in his time everything
> was powered by nuclear energy, even the subway trains. So the nuclear
> propulsion idea fits the writing intent of the time anyway.
>
> My guess is the ship had no need of a launch vehicle (unless Dr. Milo
> was *very* clever). Probably it was fully maneuverable in or out of
> earth's atmosphere, had landing gear for takeoffs and landings, and
> its powerful nuclear engines would enable it to reach escape velocity
> on its own. /Mez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I don't really think it would even qualify as bestiality. Ari's 80% human so
since chimps DNA in 98% compatible, then that would make her a something like
99.996% and that's rounding down. So aside from the superficial things like
hair and the nose and possibly a couple extra thumbs, she no different.
Personally I think rednecks would be a lower form of primate.

In a message dated 4/15/01 3:43:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Does anyone have Mr. Brando's phone number? >>

I got Brando's number . . . He's an ego maniac who hates to act.
Oh, phone number! Sorry, can't help you there.

.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 6:26:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mdownes@... writes:

What that leaves for interstellar travel is antimatter, fusion plasma
propulsion, and solid core nuclear fusion. Nix the first two for the
same reason above -- out of line with the technology timeline. The
last is the one I'd go with. Nuclear fusion engines are within easy
reach. It just takes some bright spark to figure out how to make a
reactor chamber small enough to fit on a ship the size of Taylor's,
and how to fuel it efficiently for long-duration spaceflight.

Not that it has any bearing, but you might recall that in the tv
series ep 'The Trap', Burke tells Urko that in his time everything
was powered by nuclear energy, even the subway trains. So the nuclear
propulsion idea fits the writing intent of the time anyway.

My guess is the ship had no need of a launch vehicle (unless Dr. Milo
was *very* clever). Probably it was fully maneuverable in or out of
earth's atmosphere, had landing gear for takeoffs and landings, and
its powerful nuclear engines would enable it to reach escape velocity
on its own. /Mez

Mez,

I've always wondered something about Taylor's ship that I'd like to hear you
come up with an explanation for -- because I sure can't explain it!

The two large windows in the front of his ship, Mez.    You know as well as
I, I assume, that space is not really a vacuum, there's lots of stuff
floating around, dust and such, and traveling at a rate nearing the speed of
light you're going to be hitting that stuff pretty hard.  Wouldn't that make
front-facing windows rather problematic?

Actually, I've always considered the science in PLANET OF THE APES to be
rather weak.  I believe fast-as-light travel or even anywhere near that speed
to be, with what we now know of physics (not that we won't know more in the
future), an impossibility.  The faster you go in space the greater your mass
becomes, and as you approach the speed of light your mass becomes infinite
and therefore requires infinite power to keep you going.   Also, it's also
doubtful the human body could survive such a process.

Well, I forget where I'm going with this.   I guess I'm trying to say that
Taylor's ship looks rather unconvincing as a near-light-speed craft.  But I
hope to get an argument going here about such an opinion.

Also, since in Boulle's novel the main body of Merou's interstellar craft
remains in orbit and a launch is used to land on the planet, then perhaps the
same can be thought of the ship in the film, and then therefore any rockets
below the water would only have had to be powerful enough to get the landing
craft back in orbit to rendezvous with the mother ship.

Or then again maybe not.  Thoughts?

-- Rory



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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 1:14:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Are you kidding?   That book made him that much money?  I find that hard to
believe.  I wouldn't have thought that many people would have been
interested
in reading it.

Tell me about it.As I said last time,I can't even read the damn thing without
getting pissed at how stupid some of his comparisons are.I really would be
surprised that it sold that many.Chris Sausville's book,now that one WAS
worth buying,Greene's wasn't.Can anyone out there provide sales figures for
Greene's book (and Sausville's too)?

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 1:39:25 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Well, I thought so.  If you'd told me it was true I think I'd have died of
envy, though I couldn't have written the book he did.  He put a lot of
research into it, and deserves all the praise, but if I'd tried writing
such
a thing I'd have stopped every other sentence and thought, "How's gonna buy
this crap?"

Rory,

I almost guarantee that your book would/could be better.I only have it as
part of my collection,I can't stand reading it.I never have read it
completely,nor do I think I ever will.

You said you would have asked yourself,"Who's gonna buy this crap?"Well I
bought Greene's book so I would buy your's too.At least you admit you think
your's would be "crap".

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 3:45:38 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Has anyone noticed the change Fox has made in the POTA logo?

The "of the" being written small and tucked under the P and L, and APES not
coming up even with the T in PLANET.

I know this sounds like ridiculous nitpicking, but I love the classic logo
the way it was.

Why, O Fox?   Why?

Why oh Why? you ask.I'll tell you why.Since they are killing APES anyway,why
just stop at the name and everything great that went with it?Once they go
that far,they might as well destroy the logo too.Like I said they are
destroying everything else that is great about APES,so they may just put the
nail in the coffin and ruin the logo too.<.html

.html <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/01 7:27:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Are you kidding? God's going to be there opening day. Well, God is
everywhere so He'll be there closing day,
    - - - - Jeff

So that means if it goes the way I'm thinking it will go,HE will only have to
give  up one day.After all,it's gonna flop so he won't have to give up too
much time on this one.

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:34 PM

Subject: [pota] Remake Pain in the Ass

Check out Dark Horse's "Apes" site. It's shockingly elaborate. It also says they've decided to go with a monthly comic book instead of just the miniseries, starting in September. Forget the 70's, it's like the early 90's again! Rule the Planet! Bow Your Head! Yeah! (well, someone has to take over for Alex).

 

 

Hey..Hey..Hey!

There can only be one Remake pain in the Ass on this e-group!

hehehe!!!

 

Oh no he's back!

hehehe!

 

Best,

 

Alex

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In a message dated 4/15/01 7:16:39 PM, kentaylor@... writes:

<<Then it's just as well that you not a Star Wars fan, Brian (well, maybe
you are?). Imagine how many copies you'd have of that series by now!>>

Hey, at least give Lucasfilm credit for not putting out the DVDs yet. The
last I heard, they won't be out until after Episode III so they have the time
to do it right.

Matt

Hey,

A friend of mine runs a toy review page and let me do a review of the Medicom
POTA figures for him. If anyone feels like checking it out, here's the link:

http://www.atomgroup.org/REVIEW_INDEX.htm

Feedback is welcome.

Matt

According to www.theforce.net (hey, I stumbled onto it by accident) the
"Episode 1" DVD is finished and will probably be released this fall. It
includes 20 minutes of extra footage, probably all the good stuff that will
turn it into a classic. Come on , pony up! After this you'll only have to
buy "Episode 1" 5 more times. Tell 'em Jar-Jar sent ya.

- - - - Jar-Jar

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Special Edition of POTA is coming!!!!


>
> In a message dated 4/15/01 7:16:39 PM, kentaylor@... writes:
>
> <<Then it's just as well that you not a Star Wars fan, Brian (well, maybe
> you are?). Imagine how many copies you'd have of that series by now!>>
>
> Hey, at least give Lucasfilm credit for not putting out the DVDs yet. The
> last I heard, they won't be out until after Episode III so they have the
time
> to do it right.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

That's great, Matt! And incredible pictures. Why can't you be creative like
that, Brian? - - - - Anonymous

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:31 PM
Subject: [pota] Medicoms Reviewed


> Hey,
>
> A friend of mine runs a toy review page and let me do a review of the
Medicom
> POTA figures for him. If anyone feels like checking it out, here's the
link:
>
> http://www.atomgroup.org/REVIEW_INDEX.htm
>
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

I love your weekend email explosions!

Where have you been all week?

Matt

I've been home but I don't have a computer so I have to borrow 'em. That
reminds me, gotta gooo... Watch for the new trailer on "Access Hollywood"
and on the official site this week. It'll give us more to say than "Bow Your
Head"! See ya next time. Welcome back, Alex. Ta ta!

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:44 PM
Subject: [pota] Jeff


> I love your weekend email explosions!
>
> Where have you been all week?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

>My guess is the ship had no need of a launch vehicle (unless Dr. Milo
>was *very* clever). Probably it was fully maneuverable in or out of
>earth's atmosphere, had landing gear for takeoffs and landings, and
>its powerful nuclear engines would enable it to reach escape velocity
>on its own. /Mez
>

Excellent Mez, well thought out. My thoughts are that the ship
wouldn't require a runway (like the shuttles) so probably had some
kind of VTO abilities. I can't see it with wheels but struts and legs
(Like the Nostromo in Alien) might work. Again there's not really
room for any of this in the tiny portion we get to see.

Rory mentioned the need for some "deflector shields" to protect the
windows which is fair comment, perhaps those louvered slats in front
of the windows have something to do with this? We never see an
exterior shot of the ship in space so maybe it's appearance is
slightly different when travelling at light speed.

Anti collision and head lights would be needed for atmospheric flight.

Of course William Creber never intended to "justify" the design. It
just had to look good for a few minutes of screen time. I think he
succeeded 100%

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:55 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) - Rare 60s P

Click here: eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) - Rare
60s Planet of the Apes "Lawgiver" Poster


Hey Gang,

Note who's got the high bid on this item!!!    Anybody care to outbid him?   
HA!  HA!

-- Rory




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.html In a message dated 4/15/01 1:29:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Rory!

What's the name of this book and who's the publisher? I've been compiling
research on Boulle for years for an article about him.                      
     - - - - Jeff


The book was expensive (like $40.00, and it's not very long, just 145 pages)  
and it's now out of print.  Send me your address again -- privately, of
course -- and I'll send you the book, if you'll send it back.

-- Rory



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<.html

.html In a message dated 4/15/01 1:14:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Are you kidding?   That book made him that much money?  I find that hard to
believe.  I wouldn't have thought that many people would have been
interested
in reading it.

Tell me about it.As I said last time,I can't even read the damn thing without
getting pissed at how stupid some of his comparisons are.I really would be
surprised that it sold that many.Chris Sausville's book,now that one WAS
worth buying,Greene's wasn't.Can anyone out there provide sales figures for
Greene's book (and Sausville's too)?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

Matt,

I hate to tell you buddy but the reason is so people will have time to but
DVD players and SW can get total market penetration.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 14:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Special Edition of POTA is coming!!!!


In a message dated 4/15/01 7:16:39 PM, kentaylor@... writes:

<<Then it's just as well that you not a Star Wars fan, Brian (well, maybe
you are?). Imagine how many copies you'd have of that series by now!>>

Hey, at least give Lucasfilm credit for not putting out the DVDs yet. The
last I heard, they won't be out until after Episode III so they have the
time
to do it right.

Matt

Cool article Matt. Well done.
The rest of the site is pretty cool too. I'd love to get some of those other
action figures featured ( like Spinal tap and the really neat Frankenstein) but
alas, our lousy Aussie dollar ain't worth dick at the moment making even the
lightest U.S transaction expensive.

MTotsky@... wrote:

> Hey,
>
> A friend of mine runs a toy review page and let me do a review of the Medicom
> POTA figures for him. If anyone feels like checking it out, here's the link:
>
> http://www.atomgroup.org/REVIEW_INDEX.htm
>
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>

You won't have to wait that long Matt, Episode 1 will be released on DVD October
or November this year. It's loaded up w/ extras and the remaining episodes will
be released in chronological order ( so I hear). So there could be a wait for
Episode 4 to roll around.

MTotsky@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/15/01 7:16:39 PM, kentaylor@... writes:
>
> <<Then it's just as well that you not a Star Wars fan, Brian (well, maybe
> you are?). Imagine how many copies you'd have of that series by now!>>
>
> Hey, at least give Lucasfilm credit for not putting out the DVDs yet. The
> last I heard, they won't be out until after Episode III so they have the time
> to do it right.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/01 12:30:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Hey, at least give Lucasfilm credit for not putting out the DVDs yet. The
last I heard, they won't be out until after Episode III so they have the
time
to do it right.

Matt

Actually.....  This same piece in Widescreen Review that mentions Burton's
APES coming to DVD by the end of 2001 also says that "Star Wars: Episode 1:
The Phantom Menace" will be "an extremely elaborate, two-disc special
edition....." and will include "a sneak peek at 'Episode II.'  If all goes
well, you'll have it in your hands by Thanksgiving."

I guess Fox plans to rule the holiday DVD gift-giving season.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/01 3:31:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Rory,

Are you making romantic advances at Jeff?

Michael


WHAT?!!!!!!     The moderator says you're not to mention such things!   How
dare you?!!!

So, how are you, you Aussie thing?

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlMichael,

I forgot to ask you, "How are things 'down under'?   

Now look what you've started, mate!

-- Rory<.html

.html Hey Gang,

I received an response from the guy selling these Lawgiver posters.  Here's what he had to say:
 

Hi Brian, I don't have many "Lawgiver" Posters, though I could spare a
couple. I guess it depends how many you want and how much you want to pay.
As a newbie, I'm quite enjoying the Ebay experience... cheers  Ian
(offbeatoz)
Offbeat Music
Melbourne Australia

Email: iancarpenter@...
Phone: +613 9397 6044
 

Later,

Brian

<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:

> Mez - - -
>
> Can you come over and fix my car?
>
> - - - - Jeff

What's a car?

:P /Mez

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:

> Hey..Hey..Hey!
> There can only be one Remake pain in the Ass on this e-group!
> hehehe!!!
>
> Oh no he's back!
> hehehe!
>
> Best,
>
> Alex

I'm told this is what happens when one leaves doors open....

Nice to see you back among us ape-heads, Alex!! /Mez

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> The two large windows in the front of his ship, Mez. You know as

well as

> I, I assume, that space is not really a vacuum, there's lots of

stuff

> floating around, dust and such, and traveling at a rate nearing the

speed of

> light you're going to be hitting that stuff pretty hard. Wouldn't

that make

> front-facing windows rather problematic?

Well, there's also no such place as Liliput, but Gulliver's Travels
was still a pretty good story.

POTA is a fable, in my opinion. Scientific accuracy be damned.

Episode 1 will be on DVD before the release of Episode 2.

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I hate to tell you buddy but the reason is so people will have time
to but
> DVD players and SW can get total market penetration.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MTotsky@a... [MTotsky@a...]
> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 14:29
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Special Edition of POTA is coming!!!!
>
>
> In a message dated 4/15/01 7:16:39 PM, kentaylor@w... writes:
>
> <<Then it's just as well that you not a Star Wars fan, Brian (well,
maybe
> you are?). Imagine how many copies you'd have of that series by now!
>>
>
> Hey, at least give Lucasfilm credit for not putting out the DVDs
yet. The
> last I heard, they won't be out until after Episode III so they
have the
> time
> to do it right.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>

You are the King of Bullshit.
I plan to base all future research papers on yours whenever I need to fill a
page up.

http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/pictures/POTAthadechoke1.jpg

http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/pictures/POTAgorilla1.jpg

.html Michael,

I forgot to ask you, "How are things 'down under'?   

Now look what you've started, mate!

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/01 12:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

POTA is a fable, in my opinion.  Scientific accuracy be damned.

Well, okay then.  Sorry if I'm nitpicking, which I guess I am.

-- Rory



<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/01 4:14:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

You are the King of Bullshit.
I plan to base all future research papers on yours whenever I need to fill
a
page up.

T, who are you talking to here?

-- Rory



<.html

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> The two large windows in the front of his ship, Mez. You know as
> well as I, I assume, that space is not really a vacuum, there's
> lots of stuff floating around, dust and such, and traveling at a
> rate nearing the speed of light you're going to be hitting that
> stuff pretty hard. Wouldn't that make front-facing windows rather
> problematic?

Yes! Even with two silicate 'pressure panes' beneath a thermal pane,
and traveling at the relatively low speed of 17,500 mph, a shuttle
windshield was cracked when it impacted a paint chip in orbit.
Granted, there's probably a lot more debris churning in earth orbit
than in open space, but all it takes is one tiny particle to ruin
your day.

You could of course posit the same risks for the entire ship.
Shielding is a must, not only to protect against debris impact but
radiation as well. Unless they were using some advanced material,
Taylor's ship didn't look well-shielded.

> Actually, I've always considered the science in PLANET OF THE APES
> to be rather weak.

And how. But back then the average Joe on the street wasn't as up on
scientific principles as we are today. Studios could rewrite the laws
of physics and still produce a highly gratifying movie experience
(and did). Nowadays, sci-fi screenwriters fear us fans. And so they
should. <EG>

> I believe fast-as-light travel or even anywhere
> near that speed to be, with what we now know of physics (not that
> we won't know more in the future), an impossibility... [snip]

Agreed, and based on the movie I'm not convinced Taylor's ship had
have gone lickety split by contemporary standards using a more
efficient propulsion system.

> Well, I forget where I'm going with this. I guess I'm trying to
> say that Taylor's ship looks rather unconvincing as a near-light-
> speed craft. But I hope to get an argument going here about such
> an opinion.

I agree with you, Rory. Right off the bat, the design is dated. As
Star Trek pointed out, even bricks can fly in space. (The Borg ships)
Plus it seems mighty small for all that interstellar travelling
Taylor and crew were doing. I mean, weren't they supposed to be
colonizing a new planet? So like, where were all their provisions??
Or were they supposed to rely completely on whatever the target
planet offered??

"Houston, this is Taylor. There's no hammers, no porta-pottys, not
even so much as a goddamn match on this flying trashcan. You guys are
COLD...."

> Also, since in Boulle's novel the main body of Merou's interstellar
> craft remains in orbit and a launch is used to land on the planet,
> then perhaps the same can be thought of the ship in the film...

[snip]

Maybe they just forgot to translate that part. /Mez

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deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE THE ADDRESS IS CORRECT**

--- In pota@y..., Dave Ballard <dballard@c...> wrote:

> Excellent Mez, well thought out.

Thanks! I get into researching stuff like this.

> My thoughts are that the ship
> wouldn't require a runway (like the shuttles) so probably had some
> kind of VTO abilities. I can't see it with wheels but struts and
> legs (Like the Nostromo in Alien) might work. Again there's not
> really room for any of this in the tiny portion we get to see.

'VTO abilities' like the Harrier, yes! Thought of it but couldn't
think what to call it. That would have to be the preferred
landing/takeoff method for an interplanetary ship, considering you
don't know what sort of terrain you're going to be dealing with.

> Rory mentioned the need for some "deflector shields" to protect the
> windows which is fair comment, perhaps those louvered slats in
> front of the windows have something to do with this? We never see
> an exterior shot of the ship in space so maybe it's appearance is
> slightly different when travelling at light speed.

Maybe those slats could close down over the windows? After all, you
don't really need to see where you're going in space. Especially not
if you're going to be snoozing for most of the trip anyway. Tsk,
Taylor forgot to close the blinds. ;)

Someone refresh my memory -- are we told anywhere that the ship is
travelling at lightspeed?

> Anti collision and head lights would be needed for atmospheric
> flight.

Definitely, part of the essential kit.

> Of course William Creber never intended to "justify" the design. It
> just had to look good for a few minutes of screen time. I think he
> succeeded 100%

I'm with you. Until I started writing a story involving the ship
(actually for the tv series, but the same ship was used in the
movies) I never considered any of this. Suspension of disbelief is a
remarkable gift. /Mez

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/01 2:31:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

So are you saying you like a very incomplete list of collectibles and lots
of full page pics of bootleg t-shirts?

I thought it was lacking!

Michael


Well perhaps it may not be "the" definitive book on POTA,but it sure as hell
beats some of the half assed price guides I've seen.What I'm getting at is
that this book at least is totally devoted to Apes.Where most toy/action
figure guides only list the Mego stuff,this book at least attempted to cover
all the items that (from what I can tell) Sausville knew to exist when he
wrote it.I think its a pretty good  book myself.<.html

I guess Schaffner & Co. weren't too concerned with getting the science
of space flight right. It was just a way to get the ANSA astros to POTA. But
it looks cinematic so they went with it. As for the windows, they had to have
them or they'd lose those crazy lights. Is that what stars look like when
your travelling close to the speed of light? That being said, I'd like to
see the Icarus powered by some sort of cold fusion drive. And let's make
those windows transparent titantium. The film was made in '68 and I believe
the ship's chronometer has the Earth year as 1973 at the time of the flight.
If apes can learn to talk in 2,000 years, why not cold fusion & funky metals
in 5? John

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Those look pretty awesome! - I can't wait for this flick.

Does anyone else have big plans for the opening night of the new flick? My
plan is to meet at the local multi-plex with a few friends, catch the
excitement of the movie, head back to my place for a round of banana daquaris
and then retreat to the basement to watch the original POTA on DVD in all it
glorious splendor!

Matt

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In a message dated 4/16/01 10:51:34 PM, prophecysite@... writes:

<<Well, if this movie is a big hit believe me there's going to be a lot of
people renting the original flicks.>>

Well I'm glad I own my own copy then!

Matt

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/01 9:51:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Great sequals always bring new life the originals, and so do remakes!

Yeah well this isn't a sequel or remake.Its a joke.<.html

I was just wondering, are these worth getting? Hoknes has a set on eBay that
I was considering, but I didn't want to order them blindly without knowing
what I was getting. I know that some of the contributers are on this list, so
I was hoping maybe someone could fill me in as to the contents, quality, etc.
of this fanzine.

Thanks in advance,

Matt

.htmlThe few issues I hve are ok,but be forwarned.If you order from him,you will
be waiting a long time for your order to arrive.<.html

Would Roddy McDowell sign a photo of David Watson?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1424334538

Matt

.html Yeah, I thought Chris' book was pretty cool when I first got it but I was annoyed that SO many pages were dedicated to knock off T-shirts. Other than that it was rather comprehensive. I do however have a number of items in my collection that are not featured in the book. I made contact with Chris and sent him photos of things I had that weren't originally included, just in case a revised edition is on the horizon.
Best,
KEN

mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/16/01 2:31:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 

So are you saying you like a very incomplete list of collectibles and lots
of full page pics of bootleg t-shirts?

I thought it was lacking!

Michael

 

Well perhaps it may not be "the" definitive book on POTA,but it sure as hell
beats some of the half assed price guides I've seen.What I'm getting at is
that this book at least is totally devoted to Apes.Where most toy/action
figure guides only list the Mego stuff,this book at least attempted to cover
all the items that (from what I can tell) Sausville knew to exist when he
wrote it.I think its a pretty good  book myself.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

 

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The other day at work I found out that they're having a booze cruise the
night of 7/27/01. Damn them all to hell!! My plans are to have a few
pre-movie beers, see it, then work it out over post movie beers. Then do it
again Saturday night. Talk about a Lost Weekend. John

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How do I un-subscribe to this list?

Ta

David Severn

(Manchester, England)

-----Original Message-----
From: JSe3689836@... [mailto:JSe3689836@...]
Sent: 17 April 2001 12:53
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: New Pics

     The other day at work I found out that they're having a booze cruise the
night of 7/27/01. Damn them all to hell!!  My plans are to have a few
pre-movie beers, see it, then work it out over post movie beers. Then do it
again Saturday night. Talk about a Lost Weekend.   John

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So, do you talk like this when you're hanging around with your friends in the so called real world ? I doubt it. Try and play nice, we're all here to enjoy ourselves.
I liked the pics. Cool. - Jeff Doten

> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:18:16 EDT
> From: mlccougar@...
> Subject: Re: Re: New Pics
> Yeah well this isn't a sequel or remake.Its a joke.
>
>

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

Hello all, a few things that Im sure i can get the answers to here, and it
could benefit those in the LA area! I need to know what record label/company
will be handling the "soundtrack". as we all know most movies have one
nowadays, even the worst movies. If i can find out what record label is
distributing the sndtrk, and working in the record buisness, i will be able
to get premiere tickets most likely, and alot of coool promo stuff. the best
scenerio would be for them to not only do a score soundtrack, but a
soundtrack soundtrack, like with the goo goo dolls, fuel, papa roach,
whatever and actually release a single, then I would be in for sure. if it
is just a score soundtrack, there usually isnt that much promo behind it,
but i can still get advance copies, posters, etc. let me know if anyone gets
wind of it. also, for my friends on here in So. Cal. i would certainly hook
you up first as much as i could. If this all falls through and there is not
a label attached to the movie, lets all meet for the premiere anyway??!! are
there any single women out there that watch, love and know about POTA as
much as i do? especially in la! oh sorry, this is not POTA date line.

kc@...

-----Original Message-----
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:15 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 418



There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: New pics
From: MTotsky@...
2. Re: New Pics
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
3. Re: Re: New Pics
From: MTotsky@...
4. Re: New pics
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
5. Re: Re: New Pics
From: mlccougar@...
6. Planet of the Apes Chronicles
From: MTotsky@...
7. Re: Planet of the Apes Chronicles
From: mlccougar@...
8. Is this legit?
From: MTotsky@...
9. Re: Sauseville's Book
From: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>


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If anyone out there has the sheet music to "escape from the pota"
, I would be forever indebted if I could get a scan or photocopy of
the sheet music......e-mail me @ BenderGuy@... Thanx &
Blessings!
Dan Schafer

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No offence. I just don't have the time to read all these mails every morning!
-----Original Message-----
From: benderguy@... [mailto:benderguy@...]
Sent: 17 April 2001 16:08
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Escape-Apes /sheet music

If anyone out there has the sheet music to "escape from the pota"
, I would be forever indebted if I could get a scan or photocopy of
the sheet music......e-mail me @ BenderGuy@...    Thanx &
Blessings!
Dan Schafer

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>Hello all, a few things that Im sure i can get the answers to here, and it
>could benefit those in the LA area! I need to know what record label/company
>will be handling the "soundtrack".

Answer = Sony Classical

Glad your back Alex. John