.htmlIn a message dated 4/25/01 1:15:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

Speaking of 2001 apes, I'm currently reading the novel 2001. In it there is
a
much longer scene with the "Man-Apes" that were on the road of evolution to
man. It's really a good book so far. One of my goals for this year was to
read it and now I am.

Loc

Who else here likes the film "2001: A Space Odyssey"?    I saw it just weeks
after first seeing PLANET back in '68.   It's my second favorite SF film.   
I'll have more to say about the APES/2001 makeup rivalry later.

-- Rory<.html

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,107188~1~0~exclusivephotosfromnew,00.html"


kc
-----Original Message-----
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 444



There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: TV Show Revisted
From: Haristas@...
2. Marky Mark Spoof on POTA
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
3. Ape Droppings
From: JSe3689836@...
4. Re: Dear Teacher
From: JSe3689836@...
5. Re: More Lost Words of Franklin Schaffner
From: JSe3689836@...
6. Re: I'm sorry.
From: JSe3689836@...
7. Re: I'm sorry.
From: Haristas@...
8. Re: TV Show Revisted
From: MTotsky@...
9. Re: Ape Droppings
From: MTotsky@...
10. Re: I know you all want to kick my arse!!!
From: LordTZer0@...
11. Re: Is anyboy welcome here?
From: LordTZer0@...
12. Re: TV Show Revisted
From: mlccougar@...
13. Re: TV Show Revisted
From: MTotsky@...
14. Looking for Archives Chase Cards
From: MTotsky@...
15. Augusta Summerland???
From: MTotsky@...
16. Re: TV Show Revisted
From: jameshburns@...
17. Re: TV Show Revisted
From: jameshburns@...
18. NEW POTA PRODUCTS
From: "Terry Hoknes" <comicsape@...>
19. POTA promotional dark horse extra with poster
From: "Terry Hoknes" <comicsape@...>


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Thanks for the pics link kc.
But why is every piece of mail from the last few days attached to it?

Hey Rory, I think it's fair to say that 2001 is the Citizen Kane of
Sci-Fi flicks. My brother took me to see it, but I think it was on a
rerelease in the early '70's. It was at the Syosset movie theatre. (Remeber
that? And not the UA150 down Jericho Tpke) I remember they were selling
souvenier programs. I got one, but it disappeared over the years. As for the
flick, sure it can be criticized for moving at, shall we say, a glacial pace.
But the sets, costumes, "the trip" are all fantastic. I never tire of it.
John

--- In pota@y..., daniel225nma@h... wrote:

> Thanks for the 'heads up' Mez. VCR is now on standby !
>
> Dan

You're welcome, Dan, and I don't think I welcomed you yet...So
welcome! We need more Brits out here (sez the American who's British
only by residency and a few lessons on how to brew a proper cuppa).
I'm with you on the 17 August opening date here -- me and the hubby
may be taking the same July NYC shopping trip as you and the
girlfriend! /Mez

.htmlIn a message dated 4/25/01 6:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

But the sets, costumes, "the trip" are all fantastic. I never tire of it.  
John

Hey John,

I think it's pretty fair to say that "2001" is indeed the "Citizen Kane" of
Sci-Fi flicks.  My father took me to see it in the spring of '68 at the
Hicksville theatre, which was at the time equipped for Cinerama.  I remember
it was one of those gray, drizzly Saturday afternoons, and to this day I
still associate "2001" with rainy days.
I never tire of it either, however I'll put it on sometimes on a rainy, lazy
afternoon, and the movie is sure to put me right into a nice little snooze.  
I've awoken from many a nap to find myself rushing through the Star Gate.

Did you know that a re-mastered DVD of it is coming in June, I think?  And
there's supposed to be a theatrical re-issue sometime this year.   I'll try
to find out more later.

-- Rory


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--- In pota@y..., KC <kc@a...> wrote:

>
>
>http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,107188~1~0~exclusivephotosfromnew,

00.htmlbr>
Oy, I just figured out who Ari reminds me of -- remember Janet
Jackson's makeup/hair job in the video she did with brother Michael
for "Scream"?...

Thanks for the link, KC! /Mez

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>From: daniel225nma@...

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: [pota] New Kid On The Block

>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:07:08 -0000

>

>Hi Guys (and Girls),

>

>New Brit member on board! glad to have realised I'm not the only POTA

>nut around here, having been crazy about those apes since I was 6

>years old (thats how old I was when the tv series aired in the UK).

>Looking forward to trading comments/jokes/insults etc.

>

>Dan

>

<.html

.htmlEven though I love "2001," it's sometimes hard to like its makers when they
knock "Planet of the Apes."

I think Arthur C. Clarke has dismissed Boulle's book as not being a work of
true Science Fiction, which is fine and I don't think Boulle would have
disagreed, but he never seems to tire of griping about PLANET having won a
Special Academy Award for John Chamber's makeup design.

From the book "2001: filming the future" comes this:

"Kubrick should have walked away with the Oscar for Best Picture.  One cannot
avoid the feeling that a single Oscar for Best Visual Effects was a rather
grudging accolade.

"The greatest insult of all was when 'Planet of the Apes' won a Special Oscar
for its rather unconvincing monkey masks.  This was rather surprising,
bearing in mind the effectiveness and sophistication of Stuart Freeborn's
work on costumes for the '2001' apemen.  The Academy's decision was a real
injustice.  After the awards ceremony, Arthur Clarke went round muttering his
dissatisfaction as loudly as he could.  He wondered, did the Oscar people
think Kubrick had used real apes?

"Several ape suit components went missing from the workshops.  Kubrick was
furious.  The whole '2001' team was convinced they had been the unwitting
victims of monkey business from a rival studio.  The story is still told that
'Planet of the Apes' stole its ideas out of Stuart Freeborn's workshop.  But
of course, it's just a story."

Well, I think it stinks that the writer of this book, Piers Bizony, even
bothers to repeat such a bunch of bullshit.  Talk about sour grAPES!

What do you in this group who've seen '2001' think of the apes in it?   I
think they leave much to be desired, and I don't remember thinking they
looked like real apes when I was a kid either.

John Chambers got in a word about this controversy in the Feb/Mar issue of
Total Movie magazine.  He said:

"After the movie [Planet of the Apes] opened, I got a call from the producer,
Arthur P. Jacobs, saying that Stanley Kubrick wanted to know who stole his
apes!  I told Jacobs, 'You know, his film?  I would be embarrassed to have
anything I did in it!  Tell him to kiss my Irish ass!'"

Good for Chambers.

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlClick here: eBay item 1426664163 (Ends May-02-01 12:08:56 PDT) - Planet of
the Apes: APES ATTACKS FIGURE. NEW

Hey,

You U.K. POTA fans. . . . What's this all about?

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlClick here: eBay-AOL item 1138636985 (Ends May-02-01 11:00:40 PDT) - 2001
Topps Planet Of The Apes Movie Promo # 2 <.html

--- In pota@y..., "Lynne Miller" <cosmicraye@h...> wrote:

>Hey Dan! Belated welcome, but heart-felt non the less!! You will
>have a great time on this list...we're all suffering from various
>forms of 'anticipation anxiety', as you will see. Just roll with
>it and please try not to catch it, okay??
>
> *Lynne*

LOL - Heya Lynne! I'm busy writing you a reply in my spare moments
(look for it around the time you read this <g>), but had to comment
on 'anticipation anxiety'. Rampant! I'm going to start stripping the
bark from trees, grinding it up and force-feeding it to people soon.
Wanna help? /Mez

.htmlClick here: eBay-AOL item 1426519413 (Ends Apr-29-01 18:37:11 PDT) - SECOND
Planet of the Apes Teaser Poster 2001


Anybody got $150.00? <.html

I've heard that too, Rory. Would love to see it on the big screen. I'm
sure it'll be in NYC. I wonder if they could put it in an IMAX theatre. That
would be cool. Or maybe Radio City. Whatta trip that would be. John

Regarding the 2001 apes, I thought they were pretty good. They had finer
muzzle work, with the lips curling up and baring teeth from time to time. As
to whose were better, who cares? Both crews did good work and they
contributed to the success of 2 of the finest films ever made. All this other
sniping shit, well, that's the film business for ya. John

I wonder how long it'll take for the Fox lawyers to jump on this whole
deal. John

Alex wrote:

>"The first rule of remakes is never remake a great movie," says Burton.
>"But that's part of what appealed to me. I guess I'm kind of perverse
>that way." Speaking of perversity, what about those rumored love scenes
>between Wahlberg's astronaut and Helena Bonham Carter's sympathetic chimp?
>"I know there's been gossip about it in the press," says the director. "But
>it's not like you see any actual animal penetration. There's no beastiality.
>Nothing like that."

Now this is why I love Tim Burton...

Michael wrote:

>>DAMN! No penetration?!?
>>So what is it - oral sex?

ROFLMAO!!!!

*Lynne* wrote:

>>>Awww, Michael.....there you go, scaring off all the lurkers on this
>>>list!! We'll have a rash of 'How do I get off this stinking list?!!'

Don't worry some of us are sick enough to stick around! :)

I've been lurking for a few days under another e-mail addy and decided to
make the ape dive into an e-mail address for this list and intro myself...

names Chad, ape name: Chaddo, I am 28 and more than slightly obsessed with
pota.

Chaddo

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>From: "Alan Maxwell"

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To:

>Subject: Re: [pota] Jeffius

>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:52:22 +0100

>

>Jeff Krueger wrote:

> > Hey! I went to the Dark Horse website and used the Ape Name Generator.

>You

> >put in your name and it gives you an ape name. My name is Jikaker. Don't

> >wear it out.

>

>

>Just had a look at it myself...

>

>I am Atmel. Bow your heads.

>

>

>Atmel

>

<.html

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>From: Haristas@...

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [pota] The Proper DVD cover

>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:38:40 EDT

>

>In a message dated 4/22/01 6:55:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>alan@... writes:

>

>

> > The latest thing to bother me is that one of the female ape characters (I

> > don't know which one, I've been trying to avoid all the coverage) has a

> > rather silly hairstyle. It's like a Toyah-style 80s effort. Bizarre.

> >

> > Bring back the Zira look!

> >

> >

>

>Yeah, I know what you mean. I think Ari and the other one played by Lisa

>Maria kind of look like Michael Jackson. They could be a major distraction

>in the film.

>

>-- Rory

>

>

>

<.html

.html

>From: MTotsky@...

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [pota] I'm sorry.

>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:40:52 EDT

>

>

>In a message dated 4/22/01 11:37:49 PM, slave1@... writes:

>

>< >

>

>The POTA list has aged two weeks, but Lynne has aged hardly at all.....

>

>

>Matt

<.html

In a message dated 4/25/01 5:55:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
mdownes@... writes:

<< Oy, I just figured out who Ari reminds me of -- remember Janet
Jackson's makeup/hair job in the video she did with brother Michael
for "Scream"?... >>

Oy, we dun that bit.
Has anyone done the Stiffy Joke?
Yeeees...

In a message dated 4/25/01 6:02:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
mdownes@... writes:

<< We need more Brits out here (sez the American who's British
only by residency and a few lessons on how to brew a proper cuppa). >>

Did you know?.... There are no tea bags in the Museum of Tea.

.html

>From: Haristas@...

>

>Subject: Re: [pota] TV Show Revisted

>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:20:54 EDT

>

>The only men I care about in such a show are the astronauts. And you also

>could have had some fun with the 'female' man animals getting crushes on the

>astronauts. And the astronauts saying like, "Oh well, what the hell!"

>

<.html

<< "The greatest insult of all was when 'Planet of the Apes' won a Special
Oscar
for its rather unconvincing monkey masks. This was rather surprising,
bearing in mind the effectiveness and sophistication of Stuart Freeborn's
work on costumes for the '2001' apemen. The Academy's decision was a real
injustice. After the awards ceremony, Arthur Clarke went round muttering his
dissatisfaction as loudly as he could. He wondered, did the Oscar people
think Kubrick had used real apes? >>

WTF? I've seen more convincing apes surfing in Beach Blanket Bingo!
I say Fuck Clarke, Kubrick and the horses they road in on!
Of course I mean Bikini Beach. But I couldn't think of it and the
alliteration just sounds better.

<< LOL - Heya Lynne! I'm busy writing you a reply in my spare moments
(look for it around the time you read this <g>), but had to comment
on 'anticipation anxiety'. Rampant! I'm going to start stripping the
bark from trees, grinding it up and force-feeding it to people soon.
Wanna help? /Mez >>

I think you an Lynn should take the tree bark and make sexy outfits from it.
ala Nova.

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>From: Kay53531@...

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: [pota] planet of apes and THE MONKEES in 2001

>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:00:56 EDT

>

>Go figure both are making comebacks in 2001 The Monkees are on tour this

>summer for a 35th anniversary tour with a new live cd this summer,and a new

>ape movie I am in ape heaven . will hasbro do anymore 12 inch figures nova ?

>For any fans of the group there is a web site www.monkees.net

>

> go ape

>this summer!

>

> Bryan

<.html

I think the apes in both flicks look pretty cool. They are two totally
different movies, so to compare the makeup work in them is pointless.

I think Chambers deserved the Oscar, because his makeup allowed the actors to
act through it. It was very groundbreaking at the time and paved the way for
many more movies - everything from "An American Werewolf in London" to "POTA
2001."

I did hear the story that they Academy ignored the makeup work in 2001
because they thought the apes were real.

Both films are essential and that's all that counts.

Matt

.htmlI thought some of you who've perhaps never seen Charlton Heston's 1978 book
"The Actor's Life" (a published version of his journals from 1956 to 1976)
might be interested in the entries for when he was filming PLANET.  From them
you can get a pretty good idea of the sequence of scene shooting.

May 21, 1967, Page, Arizonia: Begin 'Planet of the Apes.'  I've never
understood why the first day of shooting on a film, no matter how good the
crew is nor how well-organized the scheduale, never goes well.  We were more
than half an hour late starting this morning because the beards weren't sent
up for the other astronauts, who of course haven't had time to grow their
own.  They weren't well applied when they did come; our makeup man could be
stronger, also quicker.  The heat is bad here.  One of the other two actors
playing astronauts passed out from the heat.

May 31.  We had a fantastic day's work, in consistently good light, catching
up what we missed yesterday, finishing off the apes on the location, which is
a blessing.  The makeups are only just bearable for them, and the more days
off they can get the better they'll be.  I'm impressed at how well Roddy
McDowall and Kim Hunter act in the makeup; you can actually read emotion
through those animal faces.

June 7.  The usual problems attendant on moving back on stage from a
location.  The prop truck isn't back yet, the crew has to shake down.  In
addition, the makeups are so rough for the apes, their calls are so bloody
early, that we've decided to start at ten in the morning and finish at seven
in the evening.  Personally, I'm not delighted with this plan, but it makes
sense overall.  I was unconscious through most of the scene today and thus
had little to contribute, but Frank shot it well.

June 13.  Today was really a horrible day.  I'd caught a cold, something I
almost never do while working.  I felt lousy when I came to work, and worse
every time that damn fire hose hit me, topped off when I had to scream the
last speech of the sequence, dripping and hose-battered.  The hoarse rasp I
was able to produce is really ideal; this is the first scene where we hear
Taylor speak after his throat wound.  Frank's staging was very telling.  The
cage stuff looks good in dailies, the ragged blanket's appropriately ratty
and unheroic.

June 14.  We had a very physical scene today, cleaning up the escape,
followed by Maurice Evan's first appearance as Zaius.  His orangutan makeup
is excellent, and he is learning how to use it.

June 15.  We moved faster today than we have been. . . perhaps because we're
finished in the cages, which made an extremely difficult set to shoot.  I had
a meeting with Dick Zanuck and Frank on whether or not to make a script point
of the fact that the apes speak English.  To me, it's patently obvious we
should ignore this.  English is the lingua franca of film, which is reason
enough to use it, but it seemed to require a meeting to arrive at this
conclusion.  This film begins to shape up well.  It may not be great; I don't
see how it can avoid being successful.  I seldom say this. . . let's see if
I'm right.

June 16.  The main thing we have going for us in this film is that the damn
thing's interesting.  On top of this, I like Frank's ideas about the scenes;
I think Maurice, Roddy, and Kim are excellent.  Linda H. has problems, but
Frank's keeping her nearly immobile in her scenes, which works.

June 19.  We begin the trial scene today.  If this comes off, we'll have
something special.  I said to Frank, "I thought from the beginning we'd have
a hit, but we may have a helluva picture, too."  Frank's thought of several
telling touches to underline the dehumanizing of Taylor: stripping him in
court, for one.  It's the first time I've ever done a nude scene, even
photographed from the rear.

June 20.  The pressure of the scene, the problems of makeup calls for the
other actors all combine for a helluva workday for me.  We have, thank God,
some first-class people with us.  Jim Whitmore, Jim Daly, and of course
Maurice, are well worth much more than their salaries.  Whitmore,
particularly, makes a frightening orangutan.  (I don't know how complimentary
he would consider that observation.)

June 21.  The first day of summer was a bitch for me.  The trial scene
involves, as so many of my parts seem to, another manhandling (or
ape-handling, in this case).  It hurts after ten takes.  They're trying to
think of a different way of tying me up from those used in 'Ten
Commandments,' 'Ben-Hur,' etc., etc., etc.

June 29, Fox Ranch.  I spent the entire day pattering barefoot (barefoot!?,
bare ass, for God's sake!) through the undergrowth, picking up more than a
touch, I fear, of poison oak; it was luxuriating on every hand.  A chase
sequence is always easy to act, no matter how complicated it may be to shoot.
 The fugitive syndrome must lie very near the surface in all of us, ready to
burst into the open, panic-stricken.

July 6.  A helluva long day, in the course of which I was finally brought to
earth as Taylor.  Having evaded clubs, whips, horsemen, crowds, they tipped
me ass over tea kettle into a thrown net and hoisted me high.  It should make
for a damn good sequence; shooting it took about all the stamina I was
relieved to discover I can still muster.  It's surprising the perspective an
experience like this gives you.  Upside down in a net, a man isn't worth much.

July 17.  Our best effort failed to finish the hunt sequence today, though I
was successfully shot through the throat before the day was done.  We have
less than a day's work left out there, but we'll have to leave it and go into
the studio Tuesday.

July 18.  We're back on the sound stages again.  After the Fox ranch, this is
luxury.  Included in the cast today (as the long-dead Stewart) was an
eighty-year-old woman who played what must surely be the only role in the
history of the drama as an octogenarian lady astronaut.  The dialogue between
the casting director and the agents on this one must have been marvelous.

July 19.  Another long day sloshing around inside that space capsule,
gargling my lines through torrents of water spraying in from off camera.  It
occurs to me that there's hardly been a scene in this bloody film in which
I've not been dragged, chocked, netted, chased, doused, whipped, poked, shot,
gagged, stoned, leaped on, or generally mistreated.  As Joe Canutt [Heston's
stunt double] said, setting up one of the fight shots, "You know, Chuck, I
can remember when we used to win these things."

August 3.  The fog didn't creep in on little cat feet; it squatted sullenly
on the sand all morning.  Not a camera turned till after lunch.  Frank still
got most of what he planned, though.  Mort Abrahams [executive producer for
Jacobs] drove out for an inconclusive discussion on what I should say in the
final speech, looking at the ruined Statue of Liberty.  Fox wants to shoot
three versions, giving them all possible choices.  I obviously prefer to
shoot only the speech I wrote, since this is my only chance to put muscle
behind that choice.  Besides, it's the best.  I can't believe the Code still
forbids the use of "God damn you!"  It's surely acceptable in the context of
this speech;  Taylor is literally calling on God to damn the destroyers of
civilization.

"It did make a good scene, and the line was right.  We only shot one version."

August 10.  The last day of shooting on 'Planet of the Apes.'  An ideal kind
of scene for any actor. . . everybody else lay mute and motionless while I
had all the words.  More than three minutes of them, for that matter, and
they were pretty well worked out, too, after the usual intense effort with
the red pencil.  [This is the first scene in the picture, in the spaceship.]  
We did two different masters on it, then the usual coverage.  I think it's
good.  I think the picture will be, too.  It'll certainly be different.  If
the social comment comes off as well as the wild adventure, we may get some
attention.

August 11.  For the first time in a year, I have the lovely release of waking
in the morning without a shooting schedule staring at me, no camera crouching
in waiting. . . and I savor it.

October 31.  We saw APES today, with no score, no looped dialogue, and an
unbalanced print.  I liked it enormously.  I think it may find a bigger
audience than anything I've done since BEN-HUR (well, since EL-CID, anyway).  
I also think we may get notices reflecting the comment in the film.

January 30, 1968. [At the Fox screening.]  The APES running tonight was
successful.  The film comes off very well, including the black comment.  I
was a little disappionted in my performance.  There didn't seem to be enough
weight to it, somehow.  Some of it was cut, of course, but I still felt let
down.  All the talk afterward was good, but you can discount most of that.

"This seems to have been my opinion when I first saw APES, though I'm very
proud of the film now.  I guess I expected a little more.  You always expect
a little more."



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.htmlIn a message dated 4/25/01 8:34:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    I've heard that too, Rory. Would love to see it on the big screen. I'm
sure it'll be in NYC. I wonder if they could put it in an IMAX theatre.
That
would be cool. Or maybe  Radio City. Whatta trip that would be.  John

Oh man, to live near NYC if they do that -- 2001 in Radio City!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/25/01 10:41:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

So what was Amy (BLAAHH too modern of a name), in 'The Cure'?
                                     *Lynne*

Oh, I guess you got me there, Lynne.  But she wasn't an animal, was she?  Or
maybe she was!

-- Rory

<.html

<< It's the Monkees Farewell Tour >>

I saw Dave and Micky with Boyce & Hart at Six Flags of all places.
Going under the name of Dolenz Jones Boyce & Hart
I hope they can talk Mike into playing some shows
But he's probably too rich to enjoy it with all the liquid paper money

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?

ViewItem&item=1426664163">Click here: eBay item 1426664163 (Ends May-
02-01 12:08:56 PDT) - Planet of

> the Apes: APES ATTACKS FIGURE. NEW</A>
>
> Hey,
>
> You U.K. POTA fans. . . . What's this all about?
>
> -- Rory

Complete unofficial band-wagon jumping pile of rubbish I'm afraid.
Reminds me of when my parents bought me a crappy old thing called
a 'laser sword' when I was younger, and told me it was a replica of
Darth Vaders lightsaber !!

Dan

--- In pota@y..., "Mez Downes" <mdownes@n...> wrote:

> --- In pota@y..., daniel225nma@h... wrote:
> > Thanks for the 'heads up' Mez. VCR is now on standby !
> >
> > Dan
>
> You're welcome, Dan, and I don't think I welcomed you yet...So
> welcome! We need more Brits out here (sez the American who's

British

> only by residency and a few lessons on how to brew a proper cuppa).
> I'm with you on the 17 August opening date here -- me and the hubby
> may be taking the same July NYC shopping trip as you and the
> girlfriend! /Mez

Thanks for the welcome Mex (& Lynne), excellent web site by the way.

Dan

--- In pota@y..., daniel225nma@h... wrote:

> --- In pota@y..., "Mez Downes" <mdownes@n...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., daniel225nma@h... wrote:
> > > Thanks for the 'heads up' Mez. VCR is now on standby !
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > You're welcome, Dan, and I don't think I welcomed you yet...So
> > welcome! We need more Brits out here (sez the American who's
> British
> > only by residency and a few lessons on how to brew a proper

cuppa).

> > I'm with you on the 17 August opening date here -- me and the

hubby

> > may be taking the same July NYC shopping trip as you and the
> > girlfriend! /Mez
>
> Thanks for the welcome Mex (& Lynne), excellent web site by the way.
>
> Dan

Sorry I meant Mez (Mex !!!).

In a message dated 4/23/01 6:22:41 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I also would have given orders to the writers that they were to write to
ADULTS, and to take a serious approach at all times to the material. I
think
in that way the POTA TV show would have been much better. >>

That's my biggest complaint with the television series. After the films
started to degenerate into Saturday matinee fare, I guess they thought there
was no need to change that formula for the TV show. It's are own fault
really. We were so hungry for all things Ape, they figured they could foist
any old schlock on us.

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

>There are a number of ways they do a windscreen. The 70 mm is very

popular.

>IMAX is great but very expensive.

Oh, man, what a thought... a "Planet of the Apes" film in IMAX...

Drool...

Alan

.htmldoes anyone know why the gorilla soldier kit was not reissued like the
others? they did zira  dr. zaius urses and corneilus only. we should get
Inkworks to do a card set on the tv series next. any thoughts?                
                                                        Bryan                 
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--- In pota@y..., daniel225nma@h... wrote:

> > Thanks for the welcome Mex (& Lynne), excellent web site by the
> > way.
> >
> > Dan
>
> Sorry I meant Mez (Mex !!!).

No prob, some would argue I look like a 'Mex'! Thanks for the
compliment on my site. It's always nice to meet others who appreciate
the tv series. /"Mex" ;)

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> I think you an Lynn should take the tree bark and make sexy outfits
> from it.
> ala Nova.

Before or after grinding it to a fine powder? /Mez

Alexander Ruiz <prophecysite@...> wrote:

>I have a funny feeling I'll see it on
>ET's rerun at 2:00 AM before I'll see
>it on the Official Site.

On the subject of the official site, is it just me that gets really annoyed
by it? I want to go in and download a trailer or something, and all I get is
a load of really annoying Flash stuff that serves very little purpose and is
more hassle than its worth. Why can't it be more like Alex's site!

Alan

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

>In a message dated 4/22/01 5:56:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
>alan@... writes:
>
><< I am Atmel. Bow your heads.
>
> Atmel >>
>
>How about a link Atmel

Go to www.darkhorsecomics.com then follow the link to their Planet of the
Apes section. There are various little bits and pieces, but the ape name
generator is the most fun.

Atmel

<MTotsky@...> wrote:

>Interviews and commentary by James Naughton, Ron Harper and Booth Coleman
>would be nice. I always wondered why Naughton was the only one from the

show

>in BEHIND. I figure Harper and Coleman are cool with the show since they

both

>sell autographs on the Time Machine site (Naughton does not). Does anyone
>have any insight as to what these three are up to now and what kind of
>memories they have of the show?

Ron Harper did an interview about the TV show in a "TV Zone" special four or
five years back. Can't remember the issue number, but it was a "Lost
Voyagers" special. I could find the issue in question if anyone's
interested?

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>What do you in this group who've seen '2001' think of the apes in it? I
>think they leave much to be desired, and I don't remember thinking they
>looked like real apes when I was a kid either.

I love both films, and both sets of apes, but I don't think they can be
compared. PotA concerned evolved, more human-like apes, whereas 2001 merely
used apes, plain and simple. When it comes to which ones were better for
their specific use, I think PotA wins hands down. I've never thought the
2001 apes were that convincing at all.

Alan

In a message dated 4/26/01 10:46:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< www.darkhorsecomics.com >>
Thanks Atmel

<daniel225nma@...> wrote:

> Complete unofficial band-wagon jumping pile of rubbish I'm afraid.

And yet...

I admit I find them growing on me, primarily because they're so outlandish.
But look at the faces, people... the ape face sculpts here are better than
Hasbro's official ones!

They might look weird, but those Ape heads (minus the bizarre headgear) are
fantastic.

Alan

<< I love both films, and both sets of apes, but I don't think they can be
compared. PotA concerned evolved, more human-like apes, whereas 2001 merely
used apes, plain and simple. When it comes to which ones were better for
their specific use, I think PotA wins hands down. I've never thought the
2001 apes were that convincing at all. >>

I always felt the POTA apes were more ape like whereas the 2001 guy were more
like cavemen. Though they were both more cavemanish than like real apes.
These new guy seem more like real apes. Except the girls. Aside from their
hands, feet and muzzles there isn't much apey about them.

In a message dated 4/27/01 12:04:51 AM, alan@...
writes:

<<Ron Harper did an interview about the TV show in a "TV Zone" special four or
five years back. Can't remember the issue number, but it was a "Lost
Voyagers" special. I could find the issue in question if anyone's
interested?>>

Yes go for it!

Thanks,

Matt

My Ape name generator name is . . .

FISTBIN !!!

In a message dated 4/26/01 4:38:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< Oh, man, what a thought... a "Planet of the Apes" film in IMAX...

Drool... >>

Here's a high concept idea for you . . . a Planet of the Apes IMAX shot
entirely with point of view shots with the audience as the Taylor character.
How about that?

Hey guys! I was just on the Dark Horse comics website and found the release
dates for all the POTA comics. I'm a completist and have every ape comic made
so I wanted to share these dates for others who want them too.
POTA: Human War 1 Jun 6th (two covers; photo and art)
POTA: Human War 2 July 4th (two covers)
POTA: Pop-out-People July 18th (these are like Apes paperdolls)
POTA: Movie Adaptation July 18th
POTA: Human War Trade Paperback July 18th

Loc

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Hi Chad and welcome.

Do you collect?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: DrZira3978@... [DrZira3978@...]
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2001 11:00
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] I'll be blown......

Alex wrote:

>"The first rule of remakes is never remake a great movie," says Burton.
>"But that's part of what appealed to me. I guess I'm kind of perverse
>that way." Speaking of perversity, what about those rumored love scenes
>between Wahlberg's astronaut and Helena Bonham Carter's sympathetic chimp?
>"I know there's been gossip about it in the press," says the director. "But
>it's not like you see any actual animal penetration. There's no

beastiality.

>Nothing like that."

Now this is why I love Tim Burton...

Michael wrote:

>>DAMN! No penetration?!?
>>So what is it - oral sex?

ROFLMAO!!!!

*Lynne* wrote:

>>>Awww, Michael.....there you go, scaring off all the lurkers on this
>>>list!! We'll have a rash of 'How do I get off this stinking list?!!'

Don't worry some of us are sick enough to stick around! :)

I've been lurking for a few days under another e-mail addy and decided to
make the ape dive into an e-mail address for this list and intro myself...

names Chad, ape name: Chaddo, I am 28 and more than slightly obsessed with
pota.

Chaddo

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>My Ape name generator name is . . .
>FISTBIN !!!

...hmmm... your ape name sounds like a sick sex toy of some kind.... ;)

Chaddo (sounds like play-dough only not...)

Michael wrote:

>Hi Chad and welcome.
>Do you collect?

Thanks for the welcome Michael!

I have a pitifully small pota collection that consists on some vids, the old
mego Zira, the new 12 inch Zira and the re-print brit quad. I am sure I will
be finding lots of stuff to buy as the new movie comes out...

Chad

In a message dated 4/27/01 4:18:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
DrZira3978@... writes:

<< I have a pitifully small pota collection that consists on some vids, the
old
mego Zira, the new 12 inch Zira and the re-print brit quad. I am sure I will
be finding lots of stuff to buy as the new movie comes out... >>

How can some one with Zira in their screen name not have the Medicom Zira's?
Shame on you!

.htmlOkay, here's something for everyone to think about -- a POTA Trivia Question.
 Maybe someone will get this right away, maybe not.

In ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES veteran character actor Harry Lauter
plays General Winthrop at the beginning of the film.  He greets the
newly-arrived astronauts in front of their spaceship on the beach with the
line, "Welcome gentlemen to the United..."  He then sees that the astronauts
are apes.

Question:  In what other classic Sc-Fi film did Harry Lauter greet            
   
                  another other-wordly visitor in front of his spaceship?

Hints:  He has no lines, is only a First Lieutenant platoon leader,
            and the classic Sci-Fi film is also from 20th Century-Fox.

-- Rory

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Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>Question: In what other classic Sc-Fi film did Harry Lauter greet
>
> another other-wordly visitor in front of his spaceship?

The Day the Earth Stood Still?

Alan

Very nice idea, LTZ. Maybe someday holograms. John

How about "The Day The Earth Stood Still"? John

Hello Chaddo, welcome to the group. John

Thanks for the update Loc. The onslaught begins!

locutusatwolf359@... wrote:

> Hey guys! I was just on the Dark Horse comics website and found the release
> dates for all the POTA comics. I'm a completist and have every ape comic made
> so I wanted to share these dates for others who want them too.
> POTA: Human War 1 Jun 6th (two covers; photo and art)
> POTA: Human War 2 July 4th (two covers)
> POTA: Pop-out-People July 18th (these are like Apes paperdolls)
> POTA: Movie Adaptation July 18th
> POTA: Human War Trade Paperback July 18th
>
> Loc
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 4/27/01 8:09:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

The Day the Earth Stood Still?

Right.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/27/01 8:35:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    How about "The Day The Earth Stood Still"?   John

Yup.  You both got it.  Perhaps a bit too easy.  I'll have to think of
something harder.

-- Rory<.html

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.htmlThanks, Alex.  Do you know when this will be on sale?

-- Rory<.html

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Matt,

You can see the Carol Burnett show on tape...Columbia is selling a collection of her show, and I believe that it is tape 2 in the collection.

                                         *Lynne*

>From: MTotsky@...

>To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: [pota] TV Show DVD Questions

>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:49:56 EDT

>

I seem to remember Roddy

>appearing on a TV show (Carol Burnett?) in the 70s in full ape regalia, so

>that would be cool to see again.

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In a message dated 4/29/01 8:24:42 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<Anyway, where to get posters....

Try: www.moviemarket.com
www.posteritati.com
www.mpgallery.com
www.moviegoods.com

That should do 'ya! Happy "hunting"!!!>>

Also, try www.allposters.com They have the teaser poster for $13. There is
also an online code to get 10% off. I don't have it handy, but if anyone is
interested, send me an email and I will get it to you.

Matt

In a message dated 4/29/01 8:57:23 PM, prophecysite@... writes:

<<Could this be Lisa Marie on the left?>>

Yeah, that's her. There's a pic of her (in costume), Burton and a real chimp
in an astronaut outfit on the contents page of Entertainment Weekly.

Don't you have that yet Alex?

Matt