OK, the Summer Movie Season has officially begun. So here's my opinion of
the top movies based on their trailers:

1. "PEARL HARBOR" - all the awe that money can buy; strikes an appropriate
patriotic note. But knowing the director's past work, is that the only note
he will strike?

2. "PLANET OF THE APES" - unique visuals, an excellent villian and seemingly
a point to it

3. "FINAL FANTASY" - said to be the first movie with photo-realistic CGI
people. They look pretty good but still look animated. The visuals are
dazzling even if I don't know what the hell is going on. It has a James
Cameron feel to it, which isn't bad for a sci-fi flick to have.
Unfortunately, people seem to prefer their science-fiction live-action
(witness the fates of "Iron Giant", "Titan A.E.").

4. "A.I." - As far as I know there's only a teaser so far. It's short but
intriguing. The most unique ad campaign this summer (that website scares
me!). Seems as much Kubrick (the originator of the project) as Spielberg
(who picked it up as a tribute to the late "2001" director).

5. "TOMB RAIDER" - Yeah, yeah, it's Indiana Jones with breasts but it's done
with style and Angelina Jolie is dynamite!

6. "JURASSIC PARK 3" - As usual, the dinos look great but the movie will
only be as good as the use they're put to. Need a new setting other than an
island.Good dialogue wouldn't hurt.

7. "THE MUMMY RETURNS" - Bad CGI, bad Indiana Jones moments. Brendan Fraser
has some funny lines.

- - - - Tell 'em Jeff Krueger sent
ya!

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Nova


> Hey LTZ. Just catching up on the posts. Like the nod to Omega Man.
> Classic rainy Saturday afternoon flick. "It's getting dark! They'll be
> coming!" (Or words to that effect). Thanks for the heads up on Nova in
Star
> RagMag. Gotta check it out. John
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 5/5/01 11:11:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
DrZira3978@... writes:

<< I am really enjoying the list.

Chaddo >>

That's what they all say. Then it's "Please unsubscribe me. I no longer
wish to receive posts from this list!" Funny, they didn't need anyone's help
to get on it.

<< Hey,

Has anyone here heard what's happening with the POTA video game? Is it
ever
going to be released? >>

Last I heard in was moved back to July. Sounds like a movie tie-in to me.

.html Hi, Ape friends!

I am Adami, from Brazil, author of the book O ÚNICO HUMANO BOM É AQUELE QUE ESTÁ MORTO! (S&T Productions, 1996) about PLANET OF THE APES movies, TV series, cards, comics and many more.

I am working in a project called THE APE HOUSE - a little information center about PLANET OF THE APES - movies, actors, actresses, behind the scene, interviews...

You can be a colaborator sending for the informations center POTA items or interviews copies, pictures, comiocs...

If you have interest in this cooperation or in trades for our book, please, contact:

LUIZ SAULO ADAMI Caixa postal 496 Brusque, SC  88350-970 BRAZIL Or answer this e-mail: tinarosa@...

Bye for now, and thank you very much!

Adami of the Apes

<.html

>LordTZer0@... writes:

>> I am really enjoying the list.

>That's what they all say. Then it's "Please unsubscribe me. I no longer
>wish to receive posts from this list!" Funny, they didn't need anyone's

help

>to get on it.

LOL! I don't understand that either, I mean they found yahoogroups (or
e-groups or whatever the hell it was called before that) why do most humans
find it impossible to find it again... *sigh* makes you understand why apes
keep them in cages... ;)

Chaddo

>>Hey,

>>Has anyone here heard what's happening with the POTA video game? Is it
>>ever going to be released?

>Last I heard in was moved back to July. Sounds like a movie tie-in

Yeah, they are going to put everything out in July to tie in with the movie.
They are going to try and bankrupt me.

'So Chad, why are these bills late.' They ask.

'Well you see, there is this Planet of the Apes toilet paper with swinging
ape holder that I just COULDN'T live without...' I answer lamely.

Chaddo

.htmlIn a message dated 5/6/01 1:20:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    Hey Rory, I'm still here. Busy week in the Forbidden Zone. Also very
hot. 90 in May? No thanks. Just catching up.   John

Well, if this damn Yahoo groups thing was working right you'd be hearing more
from me, BUT I'm just not going to waste my time writing posts that may or
may not ever turn up.

I think somebody needs to check a server someplace!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlHey Everyone,

Well, maybe this gets posted right away, or next week. . . . Anyway, here's
some things I've noticed in PLANET OF THE APES that I want to share with you
all.  If you have a DVD player and of course PLANET on DVD it'll be easier to
find these things, but if you just have VHS -- and isn't it about time you
got a DVD player?  Hell, they're cheap enough now, AND they are WONDERFUL! --
I'll try to describe things so you can find them.

Now, many of you may not what these imperfections pointed out.  Once you know
they're there, I can promise you you'll see them from now on whenever you
watch the film, so you've been warned!

I see these things because I swear I've probably watched PLANET on VHS, or
CED disc, or Laserdisc, and now DVD, more than 300 times!!   I'm not kidding!
 Maybe even 400+ times -- I don't know, I stopped counting after 250 video
viewings and that was back in the mid-eighties.

Anyway, there's always something I spot in eacxh viewing I've never noticed.  
Yesterday -- and I only watch a little of the movie to get the times of
things -- I saw, I think for the first time, how Nova really kicks a gorilla
in the face when she's captured.  IT WAS COOL, and there's even a sound
effect covering it, so the filmmakers knew it was there.

It can be seen on the DVD in Chapter 9, hitting the step button (freeze
frame) at 34 minutes, 22 seconds (34:22).  Step forward and watch as she
kicks one of the gorillas right in the puss, then play it back with the sound
up and you can hear the sound effect.  For those with VHS or Laserdiscs
(still some I guess), it's the scene where Nova runs out of the trench during
the hunt, and the two gorillas net her and drag her off.

Joe Russo (who may or may not be having the 'POTA Revisited' book coming out
soon -- I need to check back with him and see what Fox is up to to make his
life more miserable) tells me there's a frame during the hunt where one of
Linda Harrison's boobs pop out, but try as I might yesterday, I couldn't find
it.  He must have been dreaming.

Okay, here's something else to notice in PLANET. . . .

When the time displays are frist shown in a close-up at the beginning of the
film, notice the plastic molding around the Earth Time display.  Hey!  
Couldn't anyone see this and file it off.  It makes the thing look really
cheap -- which I guess it was.  Every time I see this it bugs me.  You can
view it on the DVD by freeze-framing at 42 seconds in Chapter One.  Another
to think about that's interesting when you watch the first scene in PLANET in
the spaceship cabin is that this scene was shot AFTER the scenes when the
ship is sinking.  So, you're looking at a set that had been completely soaked
with hoses, then dried off and cleaned up!

In Chapter 3, hit freeze at 6 minutes, 12 seconds (6:12).  This is when the
spaceship hits the water.  Step forward one frame at a time and dig that wild
water effects shot.  It looks to me like it might have been lifted from one
of Irwin Allen's "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" things, in fact the
footage has so many scratches on it, that may very well be the case.

In Chapter 3, at 7:29, you'll see that the corpse of Stuart has its arms on
its chest, then at 7:35 you see the arms at the body's side.  This has been
pointed out by others, and was something I'd never noticed until just a
couple years ago.  It still doesn't bother me much.

What does bother me VERY MUCH comes in the next shot and can be seen starting
at Chapter 3, 7:37.   This is the first time we see the exterior of the
spaceship.  Of course it's that the escape hatch is already blown off.   I
don't know how Schaffner could have not seen this.  I guess he just thought
the swooping helicopter shot was just so great for our first view of the ship
that he just HAD to use it.  Also notice as you step forward through the shot
that the side panel is off as well and you can see into the prop ship.  You
can see a couple two by fours, I think.

At 9 minutes, and 6 seconds (9:06) the hatch blows off.  Step forward through
it.  What you can also see is that when the charge goes off to blow the hatch
-- the windows also blow out!!  And that side panel blows up as if it were
made of rubber, though I asked the guy who has the icarus site and he tells
me that the side panel was made of corrugated aluminum.  He also told me that
the panel was left off probably because of the heat on the days they shot
those scenes.

Still, I'd like to see a re-mastered version of PLANET where ther use CGI
effect to fix these things with the spaceship -- well, that hatch being off
in its first shot anyway -- I don't want to get carried away with that kind
of stuff.

Anyway, let's see if this gets posted, and I'll continue with pointing out
things I've noticed in PLANET later.

-- Rory <.html

.html  

DrZira3978@... wrote:...

 
'Well you see, there is this Planet of the Apes toilet paper with swinging
ape holder that I just COULDN'T live without...' I answer lamely.

Chaddo

So you've seen that Lawgiver "No Job is finished until the Scroll work is Done" toilet paper holder too?
I knew I wasn't crazy!!!

B
 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:13 AM

Subject: [pota] PLANET imperfections (Part One)

Hey Everyone,

Well, maybe this gets posted right away, or next week. . . . Anyway, here's
some things I've noticed in PLANET OF THE APES that I want to share with you
all.  If you have a DVD player and of course PLANET on DVD it'll be easier to
find these things, but if you just have VHS -- and isn't it about time you
got a DVD player?  Hell, they're cheap enough now, AND they are WONDERFUL! --
I'll try to describe things so you can find them.

Now, many of you may not what these imperfections pointed out.  Once you know
they're there, I can promise you you'll see them from now on whenever you
watch the film, so you've been warned!

I see these things because I swear I've probably watched PLANET on VHS, or
CED disc, or Laserdisc, and now DVD, more than 300 times!!   I'm not kidding!
 Maybe even 400+ times -- I don't know, I stopped counting after 250 video
viewings and that was back in the mid-eighties.

Anyway, there's always something I spot in eacxh viewing I've never noticed.  
Yesterday -- and I only watch a little of the movie to get the times of
things -- I saw, I think for the first time, how Nova really kicks a gorilla
in the face when she's captured.  IT WAS COOL, and there's even a sound
effect covering it, so the filmmakers knew it was there.

It can be seen on the DVD in Chapter 9, hitting the step button (freeze
frame) at 34 minutes, 22 seconds (34:22).  Step forward and watch as she
kicks one of the gorillas right in the puss, then play it back with the sound
up and you can hear the sound effect.  For those with VHS or Laserdiscs
(still some I guess), it's the scene where Nova runs out of the trench during
the hunt, and the two gorillas net her and drag her off.

Joe Russo (who may or may not be having the 'POTA Revisited' book coming out
soon -- I need to check back with him and see what Fox is up to to make his
life more miserable) tells me there's a frame during the hunt where one of
Linda Harrison's boobs pop out, but try as I might yesterday, I couldn't find
it.  He must have been dreaming.

Okay, here's something else to notice in PLANET. . . .

When the time displays are frist shown in a close-up at the beginning of the
film, notice the plastic molding around the Earth Time display.  Hey!  
Couldn't anyone see this and file it off.  It makes the thing look really
cheap -- which I guess it was.  Every time I see this it bugs me.  You can
view it on the DVD by freeze-framing at 42 seconds in Chapter One.  Another
to think about that's interesting when you watch the first scene in PLANET in
the spaceship cabin is that this scene was shot AFTER the scenes when the
ship is sinking.  So, you're looking at a set that had been completely soaked
with hoses, then dried off and cleaned up!

In Chapter 3, hit freeze at 6 minutes, 12 seconds (6:12).  This is when the
spaceship hits the water.  Step forward one frame at a time and dig that wild
water effects shot.  It looks to me like it might have been lifted from one
of Irwin Allen's "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" things, in fact the
footage has so many scratches on it, that may very well be the case.

In Chapter 3, at 7:29, you'll see that the corpse of Stuart has its arms on
its chest, then at 7:35 you see the arms at the body's side.  This has been
pointed out by others, and was something I'd never noticed until just a
couple years ago.  It still doesn't bother me much.

What does bother me VERY MUCH comes in the next shot and can be seen starting
at Chapter 3, 7:37.   This is the first time we see the exterior of the
spaceship.  Of course it's that the escape hatch is already blown off.   I
don't know how Schaffner could have not seen this.  I guess he just thought
the swooping helicopter shot was just so great for our first view of the ship
that he just HAD to use it.  Also notice as you step forward through the shot
that the side panel is off as well and you can see into the prop ship.  You
can see a couple two by fours, I think.

At 9 minutes, and 6 seconds (9:06) the hatch blows off.  Step forward through
it.  What you can also see is that when the charge goes off to blow the hatch
-- the windows also blow out!!  And that side panel blows up as if it were
made of rubber, though I asked the guy who has the icarus site and he tells
me that the side panel was made of corrugated aluminum.  He also told me that
the panel was left off probably because of the heat on the days they shot
those scenes.

Still, I'd like to see a re-mastered version of PLANET where ther use CGI
effect to fix these things with the spaceship -- well, that hatch being off
in its first shot anyway -- I don't want to get carried away with that kind
of stuff.

Anyway, let's see if this gets posted, and I'll continue with pointing out
things I've noticed in PLANET later.

-- Rory

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.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:13 AM

Subject: [pota] PLANET imperfections (Part One)

Hey Everyone,

Well, maybe this gets posted right away, or next week. . . . Anyway, here's
some things I've noticed in PLANET OF THE APES that I want to share with you
all.  If you have a DVD player and of course PLANET on DVD it'll be easier to
find these things, but if you just have VHS -- and isn't it about time you
got a DVD player?  Hell, they're cheap enough now, AND they are WONDERFUL! --
I'll try to describe things so you can find them.

Now, many of you may not what these imperfections pointed out.  Once you know
they're there, I can promise you you'll see them from now on whenever you
watch the film, so you've been warned!

I see these things because I swear I've probably watched PLANET on VHS, or
CED disc, or Laserdisc, and now DVD, more than 300 times!!   I'm not kidding!
 Maybe even 400+ times -- I don't know, I stopped counting after 250 video
viewings and that was back in the mid-eighties.

Anyway, there's always something I spot in eacxh viewing I've never noticed.  
Yesterday -- and I only watch a little of the movie to get the times of
things -- I saw, I think for the first time, how Nova really kicks a gorilla
in the face when she's captured.  IT WAS COOL, and there's even a sound
effect covering it, so the filmmakers knew it was there.

It can be seen on the DVD in Chapter 9, hitting the step button (freeze
frame) at 34 minutes, 22 seconds (34:22).  Step forward and watch as she
kicks one of the gorillas right in the puss, then play it back with the sound
up and you can hear the sound effect.  For those with VHS or Laserdiscs
(still some I guess), it's the scene where Nova runs out of the trench during
the hunt, and the two gorillas net her and drag her off.

Joe Russo (who may or may not be having the 'POTA Revisited' book coming out
soon -- I need to check back with him and see what Fox is up to to make his
life more miserable) tells me there's a frame during the hunt where one of
Linda Harrison's boobs pop out, but try as I might yesterday, I couldn't find
it.  He must have been dreaming.

Okay, here's something else to notice in PLANET. . . .

When the time displays are frist shown in a close-up at the beginning of the
film, notice the plastic molding around the Earth Time display.  Hey!  
Couldn't anyone see this and file it off.  It makes the thing look really
cheap -- which I guess it was.  Every time I see this it bugs me.  You can
view it on the DVD by freeze-framing at 42 seconds in Chapter One.  Another
to think about that's interesting when you watch the first scene in PLANET in
the spaceship cabin is that this scene was shot AFTER the scenes when the
ship is sinking.  So, you're looking at a set that had been completely soaked
with hoses, then dried off and cleaned up!

In Chapter 3, hit freeze at 6 minutes, 12 seconds (6:12).  This is when the
spaceship hits the water.  Step forward one frame at a time and dig that wild
water effects shot.  It looks to me like it might have been lifted from one
of Irwin Allen's "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" things, in fact the
footage has so many scratches on it, that may very well be the case.

In Chapter 3, at 7:29, you'll see that the corpse of Stuart has its arms on
its chest, then at 7:35 you see the arms at the body's side.  This has been
pointed out by others, and was something I'd never noticed until just a
couple years ago.  It still doesn't bother me much.

What does bother me VERY MUCH comes in the next shot and can be seen starting
at Chapter 3, 7:37.   This is the first time we see the exterior of the
spaceship.  Of course it's that the escape hatch is already blown off.   I
don't know how Schaffner could have not seen this.  I guess he just thought
the swooping helicopter shot was just so great for our first view of the ship
that he just HAD to use it.  Also notice as you step forward through the shot
that the side panel is off as well and you can see into the prop ship.  You
can see a couple two by fours, I think.

At 9 minutes, and 6 seconds (9:06) the hatch blows off.  Step forward through
it.  What you can also see is that when the charge goes off to blow the hatch
-- the windows also blow out!!  And that side panel blows up as if it were
made of rubber, though I asked the guy who has the icarus site and he tells
me that the side panel was made of corrugated aluminum.  He also told me that
the panel was left off probably because of the heat on the days they shot
those scenes.

Still, I'd like to see a re-mastered version of PLANET where ther use CGI
effect to fix these things with the spaceship -- well, that hatch being off
in its first shot anyway -- I don't want to get carried away with that kind
of stuff.

Anyway, let's see if this gets posted, and I'll continue with pointing out
things I've noticed in PLANET later.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/6/01 10:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Does anyone know a site that lists the most expensive movies ever?
Disregarding inflation, is "Cleopatra" the most expensive ever?

                                                     - - - - Jeff K.


"Cleopatra" cost $44 Million back in '63.  It would be like $200 Million
today.  Still the costliest movie ever.  I just watched the DVD last night.  
Beautiful picture and sound.  Roddy was good in that movie, too.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Mummy" returns investment

In a message dated 5/6/01 10:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Does anyone know a site that lists the most expensive movies ever?
Disregarding inflation, is "Cleopatra" the most expensive ever?

                                                     - - - - Jeff K.

"Cleopatra" cost $44 Million back in '63.  It would be like $200 Million
today.  Still the costliest movie ever.  I just watched the DVD last night.  
Beautiful picture and sound.  Roddy was good in that movie, too.

-- Rory

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<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/6/01 10:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

According to the Internet Movie Database, "The Mummy Returns" made $70
million it's opening weekend. That's pretty damn good. From what I hear,
that's how much it cost.

The new "APES"  should do between $60 and $70 Million.  I'd be surpised if it
did more, not surprised if it does less.  To early to get a real feel for it.
 I think this summer's boxoffice will be very good because we Americans are
mostly just bored out of our f**king minds and will see ANYTHING that
promises to entertain.

-- Rory<.html

.html Yes, and the publishers of Joe's book are doing it for love.

Jack Krueger wrote:

 I just heard from Joe Russo. His "POTA Revisited" book will be published the first week of July (if all goes well). He'll do it his way. Fox can take their restrictions and **@#!! Of course we know they're only doing this for $.                                                              - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:13 AM

Subject: [pota] PLANET imperfections (Part One)

 Hey Everyone,

Well, maybe this gets posted right away, or next week. . . . Anyway, here's
some things I've noticed in PLANET OF THE APES that I want to share with you
all.  If you have a DVD player and of course PLANET on DVD it'll be easier to
find these things, but if you just have VHS -- and isn't it about time you
got a DVD player?  Hell, they're cheap enough now, AND they are WONDERFUL! --
I'll try to describe things so you can find them.

Now, many of you may not what these imperfections pointed out.  Once you know
they're there, I can promise you you'll see them from now on whenever you
watch the film, so you've been warned!

I see these things because I swear I've probably watched PLANET on VHS, or
CED disc, or Laserdisc, and now DVD, more than 300 times!!   I'm not kidding!
 Maybe even 400+ times -- I don't know, I stopped counting after 250 video
viewings and that was back in the mid-eighties.

Anyway, there's always something I spot in eacxh viewing I've never noticed.
Yesterday -- and I only watch a little of the movie to get the times of
things -- I saw, I think for the first time, how Nova really kicks a gorilla
in the face when she's captured.  IT WAS COOL, and there's even a sound
effect covering it, so the filmmakers knew it was there.

It can be seen on the DVD in Chapter 9, hitting the step button (freeze
frame) at 34 minutes, 22 seconds (34:22).  Step forward and watch as she
kicks one of the gorillas right in the puss, then play it back with the sound
up and you can hear the sound effect.  For those with VHS or Laserdiscs
(still some I guess), it's the scene where Nova runs out of the trench during
the hunt, and the two gorillas net her and drag her off.

Joe Russo (who may or may not be having the 'POTA Revisited' book coming out
soon -- I need to check back with him and see what Fox is up to to make his
life more miserable) tells me there's a frame during the hunt where one of
Linda Harrison's boobs pop out, but try as I might yesterday, I couldn't find
it.  He must have been dreaming.

Okay, here's something else to notice in PLANET. . . .

When the time displays are frist shown in a close-up at the beginning of the
film, notice the plastic molding around the Earth Time display.  Hey!
Couldn't anyone see this and file it off.  It makes the thing look really
cheap -- which I guess it was.  Every time I see this it bugs me.  You can
view it on the DVD by freeze-framing at 42 seconds in Chapter One.  Another
to think about that's interesting when you watch the first scene in PLANET in
the spaceship cabin is that this scene was shot AFTER the scenes when the
ship is sinking.  So, you're looking at a set that had been completely soaked
with hoses, then dried off and cleaned up!

In Chapter 3, hit freeze at 6 minutes, 12 seconds (6:12).  This is when the
spaceship hits the water.  Step forward one frame at a time and dig that wild
water effects shot.  It looks to me like it might have been lifted from one
of Irwin Allen's "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" things, in fact the
footage has so many scratches on it, that may very well be the case.

In Chapter 3, at 7:29, you'll see that the corpse of Stuart has its arms on
its chest, then at 7:35 you see the arms at the body's side.  This has been
pointed out by others, and was something I'd never noticed until just a
couple years ago.  It still doesn't bother me much.

What does bother me VERY MUCH comes in the next shot and can be seen starting
at Chapter 3, 7:37.   This is the first time we see the exterior of the
spaceship.  Of course it's that the escape hatch is already blown off.   I
don't know how Schaffner could have not seen this.  I guess he just thought
the swooping helicopter shot was just so great for our first view of the ship
that he just HAD to use it.  Also notice as you step forward through the shot
that the side panel is off as well and you can see into the prop ship.  You
can see a couple two by fours, I think.

At 9 minutes, and 6 seconds (9:06) the hatch blows off.  Step forward through
it.  What you can also see is that when the charge goes off to blow the hatch
-- the windows also blow out!!  And that side panel blows up as if it were
made of rubber, though I asked the guy who has the icarus site and he tells
me that the side panel was made of corrugated aluminum.  He also told me that
the panel was left off probably because of the heat on the days they shot
those scenes.

Still, I'd like to see a re-mastered version of PLANET where ther use CGI
effect to fix these things with the spaceship -- well, that hatch being off
in its first shot anyway -- I don't want to get carried away with that kind
of stuff.

Anyway, let's see if this gets posted, and I'll continue with pointing out
things I've noticed in PLANET later.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:07 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Mummy" returns investment

In a message dated 5/6/01 10:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

According to the Internet Movie Database, "The Mummy Returns" made $70
million it's opening weekend. That's pretty damn good. From what I hear,
that's how much it cost.

The new "APES"  should do between $60 and $70 Million.  I'd be surpised if it
did more, not surprised if it does less.  To early to get a real feel for it.
 I think this summer's boxoffice will be very good because we Americans are
mostly just bored out of our f**king minds and will see ANYTHING that
promises to entertain.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Revisited"'s visit

Yes, and the publishers of Joe's book are doing it for love.

Jack Krueger wrote:

 I just heard from Joe Russo. His "POTA Revisited" book will be published the first week of July (if all goes well). He'll do it his way. Fox can take their restrictions and **@#!! Of course we know they're only doing this for $.                                                              - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:13 AM

Subject: [pota] PLANET imperfections (Part One)

 Hey Everyone,

Well, maybe this gets posted right away, or next week. . . . Anyway, here's
some things I've noticed in PLANET OF THE APES that I want to share with you
all.  If you have a DVD player and of course PLANET on DVD it'll be easier to
find these things, but if you just have VHS -- and isn't it about time you
got a DVD player?  Hell, they're cheap enough now, AND they are WONDERFUL! --
I'll try to describe things so you can find them.

Now, many of you may not what these imperfections pointed out.  Once you know
they're there, I can promise you you'll see them from now on whenever you
watch the film, so you've been warned!

I see these things because I swear I've probably watched PLANET on VHS, or
CED disc, or Laserdisc, and now DVD, more than 300 times!!   I'm not kidding!
 Maybe even 400+ times -- I don't know, I stopped counting after 250 video
viewings and that was back in the mid-eighties.

Anyway, there's always something I spot in eacxh viewing I've never noticed.
Yesterday -- and I only watch a little of the movie to get the times of
things -- I saw, I think for the first time, how Nova really kicks a gorilla
in the face when she's captured.  IT WAS COOL, and there's even a sound
effect covering it, so the filmmakers knew it was there.

It can be seen on the DVD in Chapter 9, hitting the step button (freeze
frame) at 34 minutes, 22 seconds (34:22).  Step forward and watch as she
kicks one of the gorillas right in the puss, then play it back with the sound
up and you can hear the sound effect.  For those with VHS or Laserdiscs
(still some I guess), it's the scene where Nova runs out of the trench during
the hunt, and the two gorillas net her and drag her off.

Joe Russo (who may or may not be having the 'POTA Revisited' book coming out
soon -- I need to check back with him and see what Fox is up to to make his
life more miserable) tells me there's a frame during the hunt where one of
Linda Harrison's boobs pop out, but try as I might yesterday, I couldn't find
it.  He must have been dreaming.

Okay, here's something else to notice in PLANET. . . .

When the time displays are frist shown in a close-up at the beginning of the
film, notice the plastic molding around the Earth Time display.  Hey!
Couldn't anyone see this and file it off.  It makes the thing look really
cheap -- which I guess it was.  Every time I see this it bugs me.  You can
view it on the DVD by freeze-framing at 42 seconds in Chapter One.  Another
to think about that's interesting when you watch the first scene in PLANET in
the spaceship cabin is that this scene was shot AFTER the scenes when the
ship is sinking.  So, you're looking at a set that had been completely soaked
with hoses, then dried off and cleaned up!

In Chapter 3, hit freeze at 6 minutes, 12 seconds (6:12).  This is when the
spaceship hits the water.  Step forward one frame at a time and dig that wild
water effects shot.  It looks to me like it might have been lifted from one
of Irwin Allen's "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" things, in fact the
footage has so many scratches on it, that may very well be the case.

In Chapter 3, at 7:29, you'll see that the corpse of Stuart has its arms on
its chest, then at 7:35 you see the arms at the body's side.  This has been
pointed out by others, and was something I'd never noticed until just a
couple years ago.  It still doesn't bother me much.

What does bother me VERY MUCH comes in the next shot and can be seen starting
at Chapter 3, 7:37.   This is the first time we see the exterior of the
spaceship.  Of course it's that the escape hatch is already blown off.   I
don't know how Schaffner could have not seen this.  I guess he just thought
the swooping helicopter shot was just so great for our first view of the ship
that he just HAD to use it.  Also notice as you step forward through the shot
that the side panel is off as well and you can see into the prop ship.  You
can see a couple two by fours, I think.

At 9 minutes, and 6 seconds (9:06) the hatch blows off.  Step forward through
it.  What you can also see is that when the charge goes off to blow the hatch
-- the windows also blow out!!  And that side panel blows up as if it were
made of rubber, though I asked the guy who has the icarus site and he tells
me that the side panel was made of corrugated aluminum.  He also told me that
the panel was left off probably because of the heat on the days they shot
those scenes.

Still, I'd like to see a re-mastered version of PLANET where ther use CGI
effect to fix these things with the spaceship -- well, that hatch being off
in its first shot anyway -- I don't want to get carried away with that kind
of stuff.

Anyway, let's see if this gets posted, and I'll continue with pointing out
things I've noticed in PLANET later.

-- Rory

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Where'd everybody go?

Is it acting up again?
Well, I just stumbled across Beneath on TNT in the middle of the night.
Don't ask me why Beneath, or why in the middle of the night, or why alone
without the other films? I have no idea. But I'm not going to look a gift
ape in the mouth.

Todays NY Daily News has an article in the business section titled
"Summer Films Abandon Star System". Has 3 pics, that one from JP3 w/Tea Leoni
screamin', Ben Affleck running & Thade twistin that guys neck. The last
paragraph has this by Burt Snyder, Fox's president of distribution: "The
reaction to the trailer has been spectacular -people gasp. It is so different
from the original, it makes the old "Planet of the Apes" look very
old-fashioned" What's up with that? You should be respectful of your
franchise, Burt. Corporations, Sheeezzz!!! Also out today is Premiere's
Summer Preview. They're picking POTA to be #3 with a $190 million gross. Has
an interesting little sidebar article on Tim Roth. The only make-up he's
wearing is the paws. And finally, Time Out New York is local mag that also
has a summer preview. Has an interview with HBC. Ah, it's good to see the
Apes on the newstands, John

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/8/01 4:59:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    Todays NY Daily News has an article in the business section titled
"Summer Films Abandon Star System". Has 3 pics, that one from JP3 w/Tea
Leoni
screamin', Ben Affleck running & Thade twistin that guys neck. The last
paragraph has this by Burt Snyder, Fox's president of distribution: "The
reaction to the trailer has been spectacular -people gasp. It is so
different
from the original, it makes the old "Planet of the Apes" look very
old-fashioned" What's up with that? You should be respectful of your
franchise, Burt. Corporations, Sheeezzz!!!       Also out today is
Premiere's
Summer Preview. They're picking POTA to be #3 with a $190 million gross.
Has
an interesting little sidebar article on Tim Roth. The only make-up he's
wearing is the paws.   And finally, Time Out New York is local mag that
also
has a summer preview. Has an interview with HBC. Ah, it's good to see the
Apes on the newstands,   John

I told you guys I feared Fox would take an attitude like this towards the
classic APES films.   DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL.   Just a bunch of Ivy League
Junior Execs trying to make money!  NO RESPECT for the past of the studio or
the products of the studio!

Greedy human bastards!

Having said that, the new POTA better be DAMN good!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/8/01 6:11:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Awesome! I wasn't expecting it to be that great, only reason I saw it was
because a friend wanted to see it. And so I went along, and to my shock and
surprise this movie was really really good. Not perfect as no film is, but
I'd say about 80% outstanding.

Best,

Alex



"The Mummy Returns" was very entertaining.

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Saw TMR over the weekend. I must say I was pleasantly surprised. It kept
moving, that's for sure. And Patricia Velasquez, WOW! I forget, was she in
the original? I'd say Mummy & Returns are pretty much Alan Quartermain with
bigger budgets. And I kind of enjoy counting the various references to other
films. OK anything Indiana Jones, but I also spotted King Kong, Baron
Munchausen, JP2, and Hello Dolly. Well, OK, not Hello Dolly, but you see
what I mean. Later, John

In a message dated 5/8/01 3:42:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< Wasn't TITANIC the most expensive?
It cost a little over 200 million.

And according to Heston, BEN-HUR would have cost 202 million today. >>

I'm sure someone lists dollars in the year these films were made. There has
to be a conversion table somewhere. Check the financial sites.

Here's an update on the Yahoo situation via Zentertainment:

"I'm hesitant to re-send ZEN #477; Here it is Wednesday night and I've yet to
see the issue arrive in my AOL mailbox. I know a number of you have received
the issue, even though I doubt anyone received it on time, but I wanted to
assure everyone that I'm aware of the problems.

It's all one big mess having to do with YAHOO!, nice folks that they are for
sending out everything. They're integrating their Clubs & Groups and such,
and for the past couple of weeks, problems with mine and others' YAHOO!
GROUPS have been rampant. It seems people on small servers are getting it
quick, and those at large outlets like
AOL are having to wait..."

By the way, in case you didn't know, Zentertainment is a cool email
entertainment newsletter. It comes at least once a week and contains updates
on news and gossip in the worlds of TV, movies, music, video games, comics,
toys, etc. If you are into that sort of thing I suggest subscribing via
yahoogroups or you can check the newsletter out at:
http://www.ZENtertainment.com

Matt

I got this news from Felix over at FantasiaToyz:

"If anyone has been holding off on the PLANET OF THE APES items from Medicom,
now is the time to get them. I cannot get anymore as they have been out of
production by Medicom and my sources are all dried up. Once I've sold my
current stock, that's it."

If you want to contact him, his email is info@..., but he says
he will be out of town from 5/13-5/20. I got most of my Medicoms from this
guy and he is a reputable dealer.

Matt

Thanks for the tip on Zentertainment, Matt.
I'll check it out.
Best,
KEN

The NY Post Page 6 has the following on our Estella: "Back Talk" "She
suffered the indignity of being tossed off the cover of the July issue of
Talk Magazine at the last minute in favor of two middle-aged men, but Estella
Warren will yet have her day. Warren's reps--who, we hear, threw a serious
hissy fit when the model-turned-actress was unceremoniously dumped for
"Producers" stars Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick--assured PAGE SIX that
Warren, who's in "Planet of the Apes" will grace the August cover." Dishin'
on the Planet of the Apes. Right below this is a bit on Patricia
Velasquez(Mummy Returns) and her relationship with Sandra Bernhard. Hmm. She
also says that when she's in love "Honestly, I get really bad diarrhea" I
shit you not! Gotta love da POST. John

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that I'm not alone.

Matt

.htmlI just got your posting.I was wondering what was going on too.Hope we're not
the only 2 left.............<.html

Seems like yahoo is working. I'm sending this email at 10:33pm central time
on May 11th so we'll see how long it takes to get to the list.

Loc

.htmlIn a message dated 5/11/01 10:33:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

Seems like yahoo is working. I'm sending this email at 10:33pm central time
on May 11th so we'll see how long it takes to get to the list.

Loc

Well it must be going now cuz I just received your mailing too.

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I've been trudging through the Eric Greene book (more on that when I finish it) and I came across something that confused me.

I was always under the impression that the female chimp Caesar shacks up with in the ape breeding center in CONQUEST was Lisa, but Green seems to think otherwise. On page 98 of the softcover version of the book, Greene writes:

"Caesar even learns of love and sex when he falls in love with the demure chimpanzee Lisa but is sent to the breeding annex to mate with a voluptuos and eager female chimpanzee. (Even in the ape world it seems women's roles ae divided into the stereotypes of either virgin or whore)."

Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Am I cracking up?

By the way, that last line is one of countless Greene pontifications that seem indicate that he is an over-analyzer.

More later,

Matt

In a message dated Fri, 11 May 2001 11:33:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, locutusatwolf359@... writes:

<< Seems like yahoo is working. I'm sending this email at 10:33pm central time on May 11th so we'll see how long it takes to get to the list.>>

Well I got your email (and MLCougars) minutes after I sent mine, so things seem to be working fine. Let's keep our paws crossed.

Matt

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Alexander, I believe, as the "sons of son of Caesar" This could explain it,
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Matt, you are not alone. I posted something earlier, but it's not out
there yet. Yahoo I guess, John

<< "Caesar even learns of love and sex when he falls in love with the demure
chimpanzee Lisa but is sent to the breeding annex to mate with a voluptuos
and eager female chimpanzee. (Even in the ape world it seems women's roles ae
divided into the stereotypes of either virgin or whore)." >>

Well, I don't have a script for conquest, but . . .
In the book it's not Lisa -- Just some anonymous female. In the movie it may
have been meant to be the same, but whether it's supposed to be Lisa or not,
I understand that it was Natalie Trudy in the role. And looking and the face
and eyes I'd say yes, and she says it was her. Did they want to keep him
monogamous?
I couldn't say? Is she playing someone else and they hoped we wouldn't
notice . . . who can say? Why would Mrs. Riley want her slave pregnant? I
couldn't tell ya?
Best not to think of such questions, or you will crack up!

.html Not scared off, just busy with the apes.

B

MTotsky@... wrote:

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that I'm not alone.

Matt
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/11/01 11:30:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo
craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that
I'm not alone.

Matt

Okay, well I'm trying.  Let me see how soon -- if ever -- this comes back to
me.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/11/01 11:32:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

I just got your posting.I was wondering what was going on too.Hope we're not
the only 2 left.............

Hey mlccougar!    What have you been up to?   Still looking forward with
baited breath to the new movie?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/11/01 11:38:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Well I got your email (and MLCougars) minutes after I sent mine, so things
seem to be working fine. Let's keep our paws crossed.

Matt

PAWS CROSSED?!!!!!    Lions, and tigers, and bears have 'paws'!   Primates
have HANDS!!!   And don't YOU forget it, you bloody baboon!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/11/01 11:45:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

"Caesar even learns of love and sex when he falls in love with the demure
chimpanzee Lisa but is sent to the breeding annex to mate with a voluptuos
and eager female chimpanzee. (Even in the ape world it seems women's roles
ae divided into the stereotypes of either virgin or whore)."

Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Am I cracking up?

By the way, that last line is one of countless Greene pontifications that
seem indicate that he is an over-analyzer.

More later,

Matt

Well, as far as I'm concerned that female chimpanzee waiting for insemination
in CONQUEST was NOT -- I repeat, WAS NOT -- Lisa!

I doubt very much if the bitchy Mrs. Riley would have lent her servant
she-ape out for so disgusting a service.  Besides, what would she do with a
pregnant chimp on her hands?

Really, I wish you 'younger' APES' fans would show more logic!

By all means, Matt, finish Greene's book soon -- I can't wait to rip into it!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/12/01 4:51:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Well, I don't have a script for conquest, but . . .
In the book it's not Lisa -- Just some anonymous female.  In the movie it
may
have been meant to be the same, but whether it's supposed to be Lisa or
not,
I understand that it was Natalie Trudy in the role.  And looking and the
face
and eyes I'd say yes, and she says it was her.  Did they want to keep him
monogamous?  
I couldn't say?  Is she playing someone else and they hoped we wouldn't
notice . . . who can say?  Why would Mrs. Riley want her slave pregnant?  I
couldn't tell ya?
Best not to think of such questions, or you will crack up!

As usual "T" shows how older APES' fans have learned to deal with the
numerous inconsistences in the series.  Best not to think of such things --
just watch the movies and let it roll right past.

-- Rory<.html

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo

craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me
know that I'm not alone.

>
> Matt

I've been away a few days but did notice Yahoo Groups was down for a
while Wednesday night. Don't know what went on as I only access the
group via my browser...but it sure is good to know y'all are still
here! /Mez

OK, I'm continuing on through the Eric Greene book and in the chapter about BATTLE he makes several references to the fact that the MacDonald character in BATTLE is the brother of the MacDonald in CONQUEST. When was that established? In the script? In the novelization? I was always under the impression that they were the same character played by two different actors.

Someone fill me in.

Matt

Check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1428385792

Ain't those little gorillas cute?

Matt

Matt <MTotsky@...> wrote:

>OK, I'm continuing on through the Eric Greene book and in the
>chapter about BATTLE he makes several references to the fact
>that the MacDonald character in BATTLE is the brother of the
>MacDonald in CONQUEST. When was that established? In the script?
>In the novelization? I was always under the impression that they
>were the same character played by two different actors.

It's in Battle.

"The black man is the brother of my predecessor's personal assistant." -
Kolp

Alan

> In a message dated 5/12/01 4:51:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
>
> Well, I don't have a script for conquest, but . . .
> In the book it's not Lisa -- Just some anonymous female. In the
> movie it may have been meant to be the same, but whether it's
> supposed to be Lisa or not, I understand that it was Natalie Trudy
> in the role.

Really?? I never made the connection!

Concurrence on the anonymous female angle. Unlike Caesar, she was
probably classified as breeding stock and never auctioned. After all,
Ape Management had to have a way of keeping up with demand. And
considering the lackadaisical attitude of the humans who kept apes
it's unlikely that many private individuals bothered breeding apes to
raise from infancy themselves (quite a lengthy and specialized
process!). It's always easier to purchase the 'finished product'. /Mez

When I first joined the group, Ken was kind enough to tell me about
the Aussie release of the TV Series on video through Fox Home
Entertainment. Now, I know they're supposed to be releasing the
series on DVD -- and *maybe* video -- this fall from the US, but I'm
one to hedge my bets. So when Michael Whitty recently offered to help
me purchase a set from Down Under I went for it. He's been extremely
fair and helpful about the whole transaction.

If anyone else is interested in acquiring the complete set of 14
episodes then contact Michael quickly -- he says there only about 5
sets left in his area and I'm sure he'd be happy to help them go to
other fans! (BTW, bear in mind video format differences for your part
of the world.) /Mez

.htmlIn a message dated 5/12/01 8:02:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Ain't those little gorillas cute?

Matt

Those are chimpanzees, Matt!<.html

.html hi fans K&S Promotions is running a super planet of the apes convention and
reunion to it is our Super Mega Show held at the Meadowlands Expo Center in
New Jersey       July 28 , 29 2001 check site for updates and past shows
www.kspromotion.com   guest so far our Linda Harrison , Booth Colman , Lou
Wagner ,and new ape star           Cary hiroyuki and more will be added on
soon  Spread the word Thanks K&S
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.html No, no you're not alone, Matt.

We had a fun day today.  We shot inserts for the re-release of the "Behind the Palnet of the Apes" DVD.

Here's a pic from this morning of Dr. Zaius giving the Director some pointers.

Enjoy,

Brian
 

 

MTotsky@... wrote:

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that I'm not alone.

Matt

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/13/01 1:39:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

had a fun day today.  We shot inserts for the re-release of the "Behind the
Palnet of the Apes" DVD.

Brian,

How much more will be added to the re-release of "Behind the POTA"?Any thing
you can tell us about?

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<< July 28 , 29 2001 check site for updates and past shows
www.kspromotion.com guest so far our Linda Harrison , Booth Colman , Lou
Wagner ,and new ape star Cary hiroyuki and more will be added on
soon Spread the word Thanks K&S >>

I wonder why Kim Hunter isn't going to be there?

Thanks for the rap Mez. Yes I would like to see the remainder of the stock
in my town go to International Ape Fans. I will happily buy them for you at
the price they cost me and send them to you as I did for Mez (and a few
others including Terry Hoknes and John Roche).

So let me know if you want them!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mez Downes [mdownes@...]
Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2001 10:39
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] TV Series Videos

When I first joined the group, Ken was kind enough to tell me about
the Aussie release of the TV Series on video through Fox Home
Entertainment. Now, I know they're supposed to be releasing the
series on DVD -- and *maybe* video -- this fall from the US, but I'm
one to hedge my bets. So when Michael Whitty recently offered to help
me purchase a set from Down Under I went for it. He's been extremely
fair and helpful about the whole transaction.

If anyone else is interested in acquiring the complete set of 14
episodes then contact Michael quickly -- he says there only about 5
sets left in his area and I'm sure he'd be happy to help them go to
other fans! (BTW, bear in mind video format differences for your part
of the world.) /Mez

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.html What I know so far is that it is a 2 disc DVD set.  It will also include the entire Roddy McDowall sit-down interview, not just his naratives.  It's due out July 17th.

B

mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/13/01 1:39:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:
 
 

had a fun day today.  We shot inserts for the re-release of the "Behind the
Palnet of the Apes" DVD.

Brian,

How much more will be added to the re-release of "Behind the POTA"?Any thing
you can tell us about?

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.html I liked the aped version of the Kiss band on his Tshirt.

M

From: Brian <afryt4u@...>
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:45:41 -0700
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Where is everybody?

No, no you're not alone, Matt.

We had a fun day today.  We shot inserts for the re-release of the "Behind the Palnet of the Apes" DVD.

Here's a pic from this morning of Dr. Zaius giving the Director some pointers.

Enjoy,

Brian

MTotsky@... wrote:

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that I'm not alone.

Matt

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Kim Hunter doesn't do conventions. Plus she doesn't like the idea of a new
"Ape" movie. - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes Reunion and Preview July 28 29 2001


> << July 28 , 29 2001 check site for updates and past shows
> www.kspromotion.com guest so far our Linda Harrison , Booth Colman ,
Lou
> Wagner ,and new ape star Cary hiroyuki and more will be added
on
> soon Spread the word Thanks K&S >>
>
> I wonder why Kim Hunter isn't going to be there?
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Where is everybody?

No, no you're not alone, Matt.

We had a fun day today.  We shot inserts for the re-release of the "Behind the Palnet of the Apes" DVD.

Here's a pic from this morning of Dr. Zaius giving the Director some pointers.

Enjoy,

Brian
 

 

MTotsky@... wrote:

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that I'm not alone.

Matt

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In a message dated 5/13/01 2:40:43 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< Here's a pic from this morning of Dr. Zaius giving the Director some
pointers. >>

OK, where do I get the Apes/KISS t-shirt??

Matt

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Natalie told me that was her in the breeding annex. It's kind of confusing
because Lisa seems to be everywhere. She obviously has a master but she also
works in Ape Management, etc. I remember in the book that it depicts the
apes as really spread thin, their masters "volunteer" them to help out in
the government. It's possible Lisa was chosen for breeding, or it's another
ape and Natalie was handy, or maybe Natalie remembered it wrong. I guess one
could check the script. - - - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:35 PM
Subject: [pota] Caesar's Lovelife


> I've been trudging through the Eric Greene book (more on that when I
finish it) and I came across something that confused me.
>
> I was always under the impression that the female chimp Caesar shacks up
with in the ape breeding center in CONQUEST was Lisa, but Green seems to
think otherwise. On page 98 of the softcover version of the book, Greene
writes:
>
> "Caesar even learns of love and sex when he falls in love with the demure
chimpanzee Lisa but is sent to the breeding annex to mate with a voluptuos
and eager female chimpanzee. (Even in the ape world it seems women's roles
ae divided into the stereotypes of either virgin or whore)."
>
> Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Am I cracking up?
>
> By the way, that last line is one of countless Greene pontifications that
seem indicate that he is an over-analyzer.
>
> More later,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

First of all, the new "Toyfare" is out. It has two different covers, one
of them is a Attar toy from Hasbro. Haven't seen that cover, though. Stores
seem to just have the other cover, some Japanese robot. Inside they give a
one page history of Ape toys from Megos to Medicoms. Also a page showing
toys for the new movie. Good pics, it looks like Hasbro sent them examples
(Thade looks great, much better than the godawful purple one at Toy Fair).
Most interesting, it says they are due in May, THIS month. No! Get out of
the way! I saw it first!

METAL HEADS: The current "Previews" has several "Ape" items, including 3
different metal lunchboxes, just like your dad used to take to school.

The new "Premiere" magazine predicts "Apes" will be #3 at the box office
this summer, with almost $200 million. #1 is "Pearl Harbor", #2 is "A.I.",
the Spielberg entry. Wrong! Michael Bay can't hold our interest for 3 hours,
no matter how much stuff he blows up. And "A.I." will just be too out there
for many people. That leaves "Apes" to rule the planet! Logical, isn't it?

"Comic Book Buyer's Guide": the new ish has a cover story of the new "Apes"
comics, as the creators wax philanthropic about their love of the originals
and what an honor it is to do the new one. The article also notes: "This
isn't your dad's "Planet of the Apes"". I didn't know my dad had one.

Also, be sure to check out the L.A. Times article about the new movie. It
can be linked from movieheadlines.net . The actual newspaper itself has a
production painting of the ape city and a nice panoramic shot of the final
thing. I like that the article actually interviewed the writer, William
Broyles. In this post-Wrier's strike world it's nice to see the writers get
some attention. He said he based the ape world on Ancient Rome. Can you say
"Sparticus"?

Now, put down that mouse and go to your news stand.

- - - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Caesar's Lovelife


> Natalie told me that was her in the breeding annex. It's kind of confusing
> because Lisa seems to be everywhere. She obviously has a master but she
also
> works in Ape Management, etc. I remember in the book that it depicts the
> apes as really spread thin, their masters "volunteer" them to help out in
> the government. It's possible Lisa was chosen for breeding, or it's
another
> ape and Natalie was handy, or maybe Natalie remembered it wrong. I guess
one
> could check the script. - - - - -
> Jeff K.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:35 PM
> Subject: [pota] Caesar's Lovelife
>
>
> > I've been trudging through the Eric Greene book (more on that when I
> finish it) and I came across something that confused me.
> >
> > I was always under the impression that the female chimp Caesar shacks up
> with in the ape breeding center in CONQUEST was Lisa, but Green seems to
> think otherwise. On page 98 of the softcover version of the book, Greene
> writes:
> >
> > "Caesar even learns of love and sex when he falls in love with the
demure
> chimpanzee Lisa but is sent to the breeding annex to mate with a voluptuos
> and eager female chimpanzee. (Even in the ape world it seems women's roles
> ae divided into the stereotypes of either virgin or whore)."
> >
> > Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Am I cracking up?
> >
> > By the way, that last line is one of countless Greene pontifications
that
> seem indicate that he is an over-analyzer.
> >
> > More later,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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http://www.image-entertainment.com/


Then searh for "Apes".
Gives you all the details. Sounds like all the stuff that SHOULD have
been on the "Planet" DVD.
Best,
KEN

Hey Alex, I went down to my local neighborhood haunt today. It's a
Sunday tradition. The bartender is Hot. She's very Novaesque. Anyhow, she's
not working the bar today. It's busy for Mothers Day. So I'm watchin' the NBA
on NBC, Sixers/Raptors. It's commercial time. They run the first trailer.
Excellent!!! It has now entered the popular mainstream. Like you once said
"MWHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Apes, John

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Yeah, we should already have this in possession. But if it's only $25 it's
worth it. At least they don't expect us to buy all the movies again. So what
are the new fans created by the new movie supposed to do for "Apes" movies?
I understand they are on moratorium.
And what's "Apemania"'s part, Brian? Wraparounds?
What about "That's Hollywood"? That should be on there! Is it finally
anamorphic? - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: [pota] FURTHER BEHIND THE POTA


>
>
> http://www.image-entertainment.com/
>
>
> Then searh for "Apes".
> Gives you all the details. Sounds like all the stuff that SHOULD have
> been on the "Planet" DVD.
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Just saw the new TV spot on the Simpsons. Saw it early today during the
Sixers/Raptors. Very cool, John

Amazon.com says a new DVD of the first film is coming out August 21 2001. It
looks like the same one that's already out as far as extras, etc. I wonder
if they got this confused with the "Behind" DVD? - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 5:02 PM
Subject: [pota] Cool Pic on eBay


> Check this out:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1428385792
>
> Ain't those little gorillas cute?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Where is everybody?

No, no you're not alone, Matt.

We had a fun day today.  We shot inserts for the re-release of the "Behind the Palnet of the Apes" DVD.

Here's a pic from this morning of Dr. Zaius giving the Director some pointers.

Enjoy,

Brian
 

 

MTotsky@... wrote:

Where is everybody? I hope you weren't scared off by the Yahoooooo craziness. I think it may be working now. Someone reply to let me know that I'm not alone.

Matt

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/13/01 8:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Yeah, we should already have this in possession. But if it's only $25 it's
worth it. At least they don't expect us to buy all the movies again. So what
are the new fans created by the new movie supposed to do for "Apes" movies?
I understand they are on moratorium.
And what's "Apemania"'s part, Brian? Wraparounds?
What about "That's Hollywood"? That should be on there! Is it finally
anamorphic?                           - - - - Jeff K.

Fox is re-releasing the APES films -- or at least the first one -- on DVD on
August 21st.  Amazon is already taking pre-orders on it.  What I want to know
is if this is just a reissue of what was put out before or with the transfer
now be 16X9 enhanced?

--Rory<.html

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Alex,

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Rory<.html

.htmlClick here: Image Entertainment

Click on DVD under announcements for July 2001, then scroll down to "Behind
the POTA" and click on that.  You'll be able to read the details of this
two-disc set.  The moct exciting item for me is the "Dailies and outtakes
(1967)."    WOW!!!   Dailies and outakes from PLANET?!!!!   WOW!!!!!!

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:56 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out Image Entertainment

Click here: Image Entertainment

Click on DVD under announcements for July 2001, then scroll down to "Behind
the POTA" and click on that.  You'll be able to read the details of this
two-disc set.  The moct exciting item for me is the "Dailies and outtakes
(1967)."    WOW!!!   Dailies and outakes from PLANET?!!!!   WOW!!!!!!

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/13/01 10:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

They say the extras will amount to over 3 hours. That would be worth the
price of a DVD even without the documentary. But I'm not buying the film
again even if it is anamorphic. Unless the extras are worth it.

                                                              - - - - -
Jeff K.


I have a feeling the PLANET DVD on August 21st will just be a reissue of the
old one.   Buying it if it's anamorphic only makes sense if you have a 16X9
TV anyway -- which I don't, but would be under a lot of desire to get if they
put POTA out in anamorphic.

If the new film does "Mummy Returns" like business, I'd expect Fox to do
something elaborate with the classic series on DVD in the future.  But,
"Lawgiver, who knows about the future?"

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Image Entertainment

In a message dated 5/13/01 10:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

They say the extras will amount to over 3 hours. That would be worth the
price of a DVD even without the documentary. But I'm not buying the film
again even if it is anamorphic. Unless the extras are worth it.

                                                              - - - - -
Jeff K.

I have a feeling the PLANET DVD on August 21st will just be a reissue of the
old one.   Buying it if it's anamorphic only makes sense if you have a 16X9
TV anyway -- which I don't, but would be under a lot of desire to get if they
put POTA out in anamorphic.

If the new film does "Mummy Returns" like business, I'd expect Fox to do
something elaborate with the classic series on DVD in the future.  But,
"Lawgiver, who knows about the future?"

-- Rory

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.htmlI just watched the episode of "The Simpsons" I taped tonight.  Glad I did
because there during the show is the first TV spot for the new film.  Looks
good.  I'm glad Fox is starting early to push this film.  I'll bet the studio
expects it to be HUGE.

Also, the latest issue of Premiere has some POTA items.  A picture of Tim
Roth wearing just his Chimp hands.  It says Roth talked to Roddy McDowall
while he was still alive about POTA, and Roth says, "He obviously had a glee
about the series, but we talked about how painful it was.  There was even
less flexibility with the makeup."  Roth also says "You get depressed by the
makeup sometimes, because you can't get out of it.  It's not like you can
take it off at lunchtime."

On the next page is a cool photo of Thade grabbing a man by the neck during a
battle.  The item on the film itself says many things including, "Pressure
was intense to make a July release; the script was in flux, and Burton didn't
realize for two weeks that he had broken a rib while filming."  They predict
the movie will gross $190 Million.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Image Entertainment

In a message dated 5/13/01 10:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

They say the extras will amount to over 3 hours. That would be worth the
price of a DVD even without the documentary. But I'm not buying the film
again even if it is anamorphic. Unless the extras are worth it.

                                                              - - - - -
Jeff K.

I have a feeling the PLANET DVD on August 21st will just be a reissue of the
old one.   Buying it if it's anamorphic only makes sense if you have a 16X9
TV anyway -- which I don't, but would be under a lot of desire to get if they
put POTA out in anamorphic.

If the new film does "Mummy Returns" like business, I'd expect Fox to do
something elaborate with the classic series on DVD in the future.  But,
"Lawgiver, who knows about the future?"

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlLooks like what I'm posting tonight is getting right on.  I think it might
have something to do with there being less traffic right now?

I don't know.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:38 PM

Subject: [pota] Yahoo works when it wants to, I guess.

Looks like what I'm posting tonight is getting right on.  I think it might
have something to do with there being less traffic right now?

I don't know.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/13/01 10:38:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

If they put "That's Hollywood" "Apes" special on DVD with the original film,
I'd probably get it. They'll probably tie it into the new movie somehow,
just like they're rereleasing "Jurassic Park" AGAIN on DVD to tie in with
3. But even if it's the same DVD again new fans will probably buy it.       
   - - - - Jeff K.

I remember that "That's Hollywood" APES special back in the seventies, but as
I recall they just used footage from the films and the featurettes.  The
featurettes will be on the new "Behind" Special Edition, so I wouldn't expect
anybody to dig up that old "That's Hollywood."

What they SHOULD put on the re-release of PLANET is a photo gallery to end
all photo galleries.  Everything from the original concept paintings to
pre-production costume and set design sketches to behind-the-scenes shots to
posters and ads.  But you think Fox will do that?

Maybe on the S.E. of "Behind of the Apes"?

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:50 PM

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Alex,

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Rory

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.html Before I left Fox there were plans in place for a season by season DVD release of The Simpsons before the end of the year. Each with heaps of ( yet to be confirmed ) extras.
But as you rightly say, it'll be a while to wait for the "Fish Called Selma" episode.
Yes, the studios all seem to be embracing the DVD format. There's gold in them thar hills!!

Jack Krueger wrote:

 I did a search to see if there's official word on the new "Apes" DVDs. No luck. But Fox is releasing a new DVD of Jacobs' "Dr. Dolittle" on June 5 2001 to coincide with "Dr. D 2" . I don't know if that floats anyone's boat but I was planning on getting it. Glad I heard about this because the current "Dolittle" DVD is pricey and no extras. This looks like it will be an extended version (151 minutes? That's 2 and half hours). There's a website petitioning for DVD release of "The Simpsons" (http://fly.to/simpsonsdvd ). I guess Fox will release them a season at a time like X-Files". I guess that means it'll be awhile for the POTA musical (though I think they should release a POTA version of the popular "Simpsons" toys to tie in with all the other stuff). A review of Schaffner's "Patton" DVD ( http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/patton..html" ). This is the 1999 DVD. I hear a new "Patton" DVD is coming out this month? Plenty of ways for DVD fans to spend their money.                                                                               - - - - Jeff

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:50 PM

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Rory

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----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:50 PM

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In a message dated 5/13/01 4:00:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< It's possible Lisa was chosen for breeding, or it's another
ape and Natalie was handy, or maybe Natalie remembered it wrong. I guess one
could check the script >>

Maybe when they are sent back for reconditioning they use them for breeding
and train them on light tasks.

When I went to the book shop to pick up the latest Richard Marcinko book I
passed the theater in the mall and caught the end of the trailer on one of
the monitors. Soon it will be ubiquitous!

Sooner than you think...

http://www.collectibleconcepts.com/apewholesale.htm

I like the design and look of the new items. You could imagine the same "look"
applied to classic ape images.
Best,
KEN

LordTZer0@... wrote:

> When I went to the book shop to pick up the latest Richard Marcinko book I
> passed the theater in the mall and caught the end of the trailer on one of
> the monitors. Soon it will be ubiquitous!
>
>
>
>

Just wasting time and came across this site, for those of you who are
interested:

http://home.att.net/~g.ruboyianes/apes.html"

Apologies if you've already seen it but I thought it was kinda interesting.
Best,
KEN

<< Kim Hunter doesn't do conventions. >>

Then why is she listed on the bill for Memphis

Hi Michael,

I read the message Mez posted and would be intereseted in obtaing the
TV series on video. Do they play on the UK VHS PAL system ?

Daniel

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Thanks for the rap Mez. Yes I would like to see the remainder of
the stock
> in my town go to International Ape Fans. I will happily buy them
for you at
> the price they cost me and send them to you as I did for Mez (and a
few
> others including Terry Hoknes and John Roche).
>
> So let me know if you want them!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 5/13/01 11:20:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

But Fox is releasing a new DVD of Jacobs' "Dr. Dolittle" on June 5 2001 to
coincide with "Dr. D 2" . I don't know if that floats anyone's boat but I
was planning on getting it. Glad I heard about this because the current
"Dolittle" DVD is pricey and no extras. This looks like it will be an
extended version (151 minutes? That's 2 and half hours).

 

Amazon says that the "Dr. Dolittle" DVD to be released on June 5th is of the
Eddie Murphy movie!

The Murphy movie is "Dr. Dolittle," the Arthur P. Jacobs movie is "Doctor
Dolittle."

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/14/01 1:42:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

Sooner than you think...

http://www.collectibleconcepts.com/apewholesale.htm

I like the design and look of the new items. You could imagine the same
"look"
applied to classic ape images.
Best,
KEN

I saw the second new POTA movie poster at the theater on Saturday, the one
with the gorilla army on it.  At the bottom is the film's credits and NOWHERE
-- NOWHERE!! -- is Pierre Boulle mentioned.  This kind of pisses me off.  I
hope he gets a mention in the movie's credit roll.

-- Rory<.html

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Mark Gould wrote:

I liked the aped version of the Kiss band on his Tshirt.

M

 

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