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.htmlI still here getting ready to write fox again ,trying to shake them up a
bit.I was going to say that fox in australia that has the series tapes
out,are smarter then the us.fox home video in the states.I will order from
them because they care about what the fans want!         ANYBODY SENT THEIR
LETTER YET? WE SHOULD ALL TAKE TURNS CALLING POOR JANE AND INSIST SHE EMAILS
THE HEAD FOX PEOPLE ABOUT GIVING US DETAILS 4dvd set AND BACKING OUT OF THE
PROMISE THEY MADE>I AM GETTING MY APE COLLECTABLES BOOK SOON> ANY DETAILS ON
IT I SHOULD KNOW? COLOR PHOTOS? HOW MANY PAGES?GOING TO SEE SHREK TONIGHT !
IT GOT GREAT REVIEWS ADULTS WILL LIKE IT I HEAR< ANYBODY WAITING ON PEARL
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.htmlIn a message dated 5/20/01 4:11:26 PM Central Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

I still here getting ready to write fox again ,trying to shake them up a
bit.I was going to say that fox in australia that has the series tapes
out,are smarter then the us.fox home video in the states.I will order from
them because they care about what the fans want!         ANYBODY SENT THEIR
LETTER YET?

Yes,I wrote my letter and told them how peeved I am at them for doing that.I
told them they are losing money because fans are being forced to buy inferior
bootlegs even though they really would like an official release from Fox.I
told them to look at Paramount and what they did for the Star Trek series on
dvd and all the money they are making from it,and that they (Fox) could do
the same with Planet of the Apes.I also mentioned that it isn't fair that the
Australian market gets Apes on dvd and we don't.I also said that there are
many fans that feel this way,so I think you all should write them (or call
them) and prove to them that you also want the series on dvd/home video.This
is one thing I think all members of the group should get behind and support.<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:43 PM

Subject: [pota] Short Memories

I think probably it has a lot more to do with pulling power and credibility.  In the good old days there were people who knew the name "Pierre Boulle" and might have wanted to see a movie based on one of his novels (also some "Bridge On the River Kwai audience may have been interested - and possibly disappointed!!!).  There was also the credibility factor - to say it is based on a story by a credible author would tend to give it more weight.

 

But the modern target audience (young I would say, based on the age of the lead actors!) would say "Pierre Who?  Bridge On the WHAT?"  So I doubt there will be more thana fine print mention.

 

However Zanuck has no excuse.  His memory may be failing but you would think he might have involved Natalie - I would have thought a cameo might have been appropriate too for such a key player in the Apes phenomenon.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2001 0:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Remembering

 Yes, I noticed that. The trailer also doesn't mention Boulle, funny since Burton's movie seems to be closer to the book than the original was (they even gave Boulle credit on the TV series!). I don't know, has enough time passed that they don't have to give credit? What are the rights after an author dies?

 I'm very angry that no one at Fox or even Zanuck bothered to call Natalie Trundy and say, "Hey, we're continuing your husband's life's work, should make a tidy profit. How you been?" Even after Zanuck left Fox he still went over to the Jacobs' for ping-pong matches. It was a ritual. Natalie showed me some pictures. Walter Matheu would go, Eric braeden. And one set of pictures shows Zanuck arriving in a T-shirt , I think it had a logo for a Warner Bros. movie on it (after he got booted out of Fox, he worked at Warners for about a year. Anyway, after he arrives, Zanuck strips off the shirt and has an "Escape from the POTA" shirt on underneath. He has a conspiratorial smile on his face. Well, where's his loyalty now? All I know is they BETTER invite Natalie to the premiere or Fox will hear from me.

 

                                                             - - - - - Jeff

 

P.S.: Sorry about that, just letting off a little steam.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] I GOT IT!!!

In a message dated 5/14/01 1:42:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

Sooner than you think...

http://www.collectibleconcepts.com/apewholesale.htm

I like the design and look of the new items. You could imagine the same
"look"
applied to classic ape images.
Best,
KEN

I saw the second new POTA movie poster at the theater on Saturday, the one
with the gorilla army on it.  At the bottom is the film's credits and NOWHERE
-- NOWHERE!! -- is Pierre Boulle mentioned.  This kind of pisses me off.  I
hope he gets a mention in the movie's credit roll.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:17 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Which doctor is in?

In a message dated 5/14/01 10:45:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 The Fox store site (http://www.foxstore.com/

) says it's the Jacobs
version that's being rereleased ("Doctor Dolittle", not "Dr. Dolittle").
Both are already available, maybe they're just doing a big push for both of
them (Amazon doesn't say June 5 for the Murphy one, just "coming soon").
They say the new DVD comes in at 151m. and a 144m. version also exists. How
long is the one on your DVD, Rory?

                                                                  - - - -
Jeff

God Almighty DON'T ASK!!!!   I gave the first DVD of Jacob's "Doctor
Dolittle" to a friend, then just a few weeks ago bought another one for
myself to replace it.  NOW, I gotta buy it again?!!!!!   ANA THE MOVIE REALLY
ISN'T ALL THAT GOOD TO BEGIN WITH!!!!!

I'm going now to find littleguybrian and get my head examined!

-- Rory

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I don't know if it's true but I was talking to Bill Blake and he seems to
know an insider and he said Lisa Marie's character is named Nova. He's also
heard that Burton got kinda artsy- fartsy and they're having trouble editing
it together (also understandable considering the schedule).

- - - - - Jeff K.

P.S.: I know an insider myself who said some of the actors are shooting a
Japanese Pepsi commercial. That means "Apes" is connected to Pepsi like
"Star Wars" was. What do they have? KFC, Pizza Hut, what else?

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Short Memories


> A lot of the times in movie credits there is a line like "Based on
characters
> created by Pierre Boulle" (or something to that effect). In the original
POTA
> film and series, there were characters like Zaius, Zira, Cornelius and
Nova
> that shared their names (and characterzations) with counterparts in
Boulle's
> book. In the new film it's the same overall POTA concept, but we have a
whole
> new set of characters like Thade, Attar, Ari, Limbo, etc. Perhaps this is
the
> reason the new movie and poster don't credit Boulle (although I don't
think
> it would have killed Fox to do so).
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

If I recall, the blurb was "based on characters and concepts created by
Pierre Boulle". Boulle created the concept, thus he should be
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Short Memories


> A lot of the times in movie credits there is a line like "Based on
characters
> created by Pierre Boulle" (or something to that effect). In the original
POTA
> film and series, there were characters like Zaius, Zira, Cornelius and
Nova
> that shared their names (and characterzations) with counterparts in
Boulle's
> book. In the new film it's the same overall POTA concept, but we have a
whole
> new set of characters like Thade, Attar, Ari, Limbo, etc. Perhaps this is
the
> reason the new movie and poster don't credit Boulle (although I don't
think
> it would have killed Fox to do so).
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 05/20/2001 6:36:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< I also mentioned that it isn't fair that the
Australian market gets Apes on dvd and we don't.>>

Actually, I think it's only available on VHS in Australia.

-- Rory

.html Believe me, with all due respect ( to Ms Trundy) I really doubt that there's anyone at the current Fox regime that would even know who Natalie is let alone call her to invite her to be involved. It's a completely different studio to what it was back then.
Let's hope they prove me wrong.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

 I think Heston and Linda are enough cameos for this film. Natalie would be good for a sequel cameo since she did the sequels. But a phone call would be nice.         - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:43 PM

Subject: [pota] Short Memories

 I think probably it has a lot more to do with pulling power and credibility.  In the good old days there were people who knew the name "Pierre Boulle" and might have wanted to see a movie based on one of his novels (also some "Bridge On the River Kwai audience may have been interested - and possibly disappointed!!!).  There was also the credibility factor - to say it is based on a story by a credible author would tend to give it more weight.But the modern target audience (young I would say, based on the age of the lead actors!) would say "Pierre Who?  Bridge On the WHAT?"  So I doubt there will be more thana fine print mention.However Zanuck has no excuse.  His memory may be failing but you would think he might have involved Natalie - I would have thought a cameo might have been appropriate too for such a key player in the Apes phenomenon.Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [mailto:williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2001 0:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Remembering
 

 Yes, I noticed that. The trailer also doesn't mention Boulle, funny since Burton's movie seems to be closer to the book than the original was (they even gave Boulle credit on the TV series!). I don't know, has enough time passed that they don't have to give credit? What are the rights after an author dies? I'm very angry that no one at Fox or even Zanuck bothered to call Natalie Trundy and say, "Hey, we're continuing your husband's life's work, should make a tidy profit. How you been?" Even after Zanuck left Fox he still went over to the Jacobs' for ping-pong matches. It was a ritual. Natalie showed me some pictures. Walter Matheu would go, Eric braeden. And one set of pictures shows Zanuck arriving in a T-shirt , I think it had a logo for a Warner Bros. movie on it (after he got booted out of Fox, he worked at Warners for about a year. Anyway, after he arrives, Zanuck strips off the shirt and has an "Escape from the POTA" shirt on underneath. He has a conspiratorial smile on his face. Well, where's his loyalty now? All I know is they BETTER invite Natalie to the premiere or Fox will hear from me.                                                              - - - - - Jeff P.S.: Sorry about that, just letting off a little steam.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] I GOT IT!!!

 In a message dated 5/14/01 1:42:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:
 
 

Sooner than you think...

http://www.collectibleconcepts.com/apewholesale.htm

I like the design and look of the new items. You could imagine the same
"look"
applied to classic ape images.
Best,
KEN
 

I saw the second new POTA movie poster at the theater on Saturday, the one
with the gorilla army on it.  At the bottom is the film's credits and NOWHERE
-- NOWHERE!! -- is Pierre Boulle mentioned.  This kind of pisses me off.  I
hope he gets a mention in the movie's credit roll.

-- Rory

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Actually, I saw the "Mummy Returns" for free but I still didn't like it. The
FX were great (but way too much of them!), but the characters were so jokey
it was like who cares? The escape is totally preposterous. The test for
filmakers now is to hold back, because now they have the money and
facilities to do ANYTHING, and as much of ANYTHING as they want. I will be
really disappointed if this movie is #1 of the
- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Mithril1960@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Details


>
> In a message dated 5/15/01 11:30:35 PM, prophecysite@... writes:
>
> << No point in spoiling it for yourself, only two months left til release.
>
> It's worth the wait...believe me. >>
>
> I'm never spoiled, I like to know details before I see it. I'm still
> skeptical about the whole thing. SFX doesn't replace good story telling
and
> the original Planet of the Apes was one of the best character driven SF
> stories ever put on film. It also started the sequel and merchandising
craze
> thats gotten out of control today.
>
> "I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe there has to be
> something better than man. Has to be."
> Colonel George Taylor, Planet of the Apes
>
>
>
>
>
>

That's correct Rory. It would ONLY get a DVD release here if it was a world
wide initiative ( due to costs of authoring the metal/ masters ), which it
ain't.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 05/20/2001 6:36:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mlccougar@... writes:
>
> << I also mentioned that it isn't fair that the
> Australian market gets Apes on dvd and we don't.>>
>
> Actually, I think it's only available on VHS in Australia.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 05/20/2001 7:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< When I was in a store I looked at the "Dolittle" DVD. It's the long
version, 151 minutes. So if a new edition comes out, unless it has a lot of
extras, don't bother. - - - - Jeff K. >>

Damn it all to hell!!!! I'm confused! My DVD says it's 144 minutes. I've
only watched it once, but I know it doesn't have on it this Harrison (that's
Rex, not Linda) song that was cut. It also doesn't begin the way I believe
the 151 minute version begins, with Doctor Dolittle visiting a sick crocodile
or something before the credits. (By the way, the waterfall in POTA was
created on the Fox Ranch for Doctor Dolittle. Bet you knew that.)

Anyway, I'll just wait until June 5th and see what comes out. I'll probably
just pass on it anyway.

-- Rory

In a message dated 05/20/2001 7:33:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< I know an insider myself who said some of the actors are shooting a
Japanese Pepsi commercial. That means "Apes" is connected to Pepsi like
"Star Wars" was. What do they have? KFC, Pizza Hut, what else? >>

DAMN! I'm a Coke man myself!

-- Rory

I saw "Mummy Returns" on the weekend and thought it was fun. I had hated the
first one because my expectations were too high and I thought it was stupid.
This time I knew what to expect and just went along for the ride. It was like a
live action cartoon.
My 6 year old son LOVED it ( only got scared like twice). I was concerned that
it would be too violent for him but although it had lots of shooting, there was
little or no blood. Once again, like a cartoon.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

> Actually, I saw the "Mummy Returns" for free but I still didn't like it. The
> FX were great (but way too much of them!), but the characters were so jokey
> it was like who cares? The escape is totally preposterous. The test for
> filmakers now is to hold back, because now they have the money and
> facilities to do ANYTHING, and as much of ANYTHING as they want. I will be
> really disappointed if this movie is #1 of the
> - - - - Jeff K.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Mithril1960@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Details
>
> >
> > In a message dated 5/15/01 11:30:35 PM, prophecysite@... writes:
> >
> > << No point in spoiling it for yourself, only two months left til release.
> >
> > It's worth the wait...believe me. >>
> >
> > I'm never spoiled, I like to know details before I see it. I'm still
> > skeptical about the whole thing. SFX doesn't replace good story telling
> and
> > the original Planet of the Apes was one of the best character driven SF
> > stories ever put on film. It also started the sequel and merchandising
> craze
> > thats gotten out of control today.
> >
> > "I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe there has to be
> > something better than man. Has to be."
> > Colonel George Taylor, Planet of the Apes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:48 AM

Subject: [pota] Future of Apes and FOX

Hey everyone got some bad news , I called jane at fox today and she said the
big guys in charge sent her a email saying that the 1974 series would not
happen.I asked why the change no reason was givin.We need to find out who is
in charge. I was so pissed they told us 4 dvds 5 vhs tapes! WHY would they
cancel now.Lets call and write again to fox and why they are letting us down
without any explanation .               
                                              BRYAN H

 

 

I think the biggest problem with all of this is the fact that Fox maybe thinking that they may endup loosing in this DVD venture than gaining. If the demand is not all that great then the bottom line is that FOX will loose money.

And while many feel that that is not a good enough reason, the truth is that if Fox looses, we all loose. Because they will then stop production on any further ape projects.

 

I say let the remake come out and if it's a big hit then no doubt original ape projects will follow. And If it fails, we can all kiss planet of the apes goodbye. Because no studio in their right mind will ever loose money on that venture again.

 

That's why I say: Support Tim Burton's remake, because whether you want to believe it or not, by not supporting such a film, we all might as well get use to the idea that no more ape products will ever be released by FOX if this remake fails.

 

Not that we hold the fate of Tim Burton's film in our hands but not supporting it sure as hell dosen't help the original POTA and it's future. For I have said before, remakes and sequals only brings back originals to popular status.

 

Hey, but what the hell, what do I know right?

First FOX interactive game, and now the T.V. Series DVD set.

 

I think we should all get used to the idea of calling Tim Burton The Planet of the Apes SAVIOUR...whether anyone wants to accept that reality or not that's thier own affair. But it is the truth.

 

Best,

 

Alex      

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Dailies are all the takes that were printed from the day. Each day they are
watched to make sure they have what they need, how the actors are doing,
etc. Gives the director a chance to concentrate away from the set.

I think I have the NATO presentation. It's a long assemblage of scenes
from the movie with rough dialogue, etc. I have the POTA one and the
"Beneath" one. Got 'em from Joe Russo in '91. - - - - Jeff
K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] BEHIND DVD - NATO and DAILIES


> Hey Michael. NATO stands for the National Association of Theatre
Owners.
> Alan's post has the info on dailies. John
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think that's a misquote. I read a quote from Burton that mentioned the
80% thing. He wasn't referring to Ari, he meant ALL the apes, as in, they're
more human than ape, not genetically but how they're played (walking on two
legs, speaking). I don't think it has anything to do with the
- - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] A little over Two Months


> In a message dated 5/14/01 5:18:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Mithril1960@... writes:
>
> << Well, I've seen the Apes Trailer several times now and the makeup has
> impressed me (all but Helena Carters, which looked too human to me). >>
>
> How can she be too human if she IS 80% human. And for those of you who
> brought that article to my attention and then failed to back me up during
> that last little fracas. GDY! GDYATH!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:44 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA Poster Orders

For those looking for the new POTA poster and don't want ot get ripped off by e-bay. I've just found a link.

http://www.ricksmovie.com/store/store.mv?menuchoice=searchresult&searchfield=Alpha&searchval=planet+of+the+apes&searchformat=0&searchsize=ALL&searchgenre=ALL

 

Hope it works.

 

Best,

 

Alex

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Short Memories

Believe me, with all due respect ( to Ms Trundy) I really doubt that there's anyone at the current Fox regime that would even know who Natalie is let alone call her to invite her to be involved. It's a completely different studio to what it was back then.
Let's hope they prove me wrong.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

 I think Heston and Linda are enough cameos for this film. Natalie would be good for a sequel cameo since she did the sequels. But a phone call would be nice.         - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:43 PM

Subject: [pota] Short Memories

 I think probably it has a lot more to do with pulling power and credibility.  In the good old days there were people who knew the name "Pierre Boulle" and might have wanted to see a movie based on one of his novels (also some "Bridge On the River Kwai audience may have been interested - and possibly disappointed!!!).  There was also the credibility factor - to say it is based on a story by a credible author would tend to give it more weight.But the modern target audience (young I would say, based on the age of the lead actors!) would say "Pierre Who?  Bridge On the WHAT?"  So I doubt there will be more thana fine print mention.However Zanuck has no excuse.  His memory may be failing but you would think he might have involved Natalie - I would have thought a cameo might have been appropriate too for such a key player in the Apes phenomenon.Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [mailto:williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2001 0:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Remembering
 

 Yes, I noticed that. The trailer also doesn't mention Boulle, funny since Burton's movie seems to be closer to the book than the original was (they even gave Boulle credit on the TV series!). I don't know, has enough time passed that they don't have to give credit? What are the rights after an author dies? I'm very angry that no one at Fox or even Zanuck bothered to call Natalie Trundy and say, "Hey, we're continuing your husband's life's work, should make a tidy profit. How you been?" Even after Zanuck left Fox he still went over to the Jacobs' for ping-pong matches. It was a ritual. Natalie showed me some pictures. Walter Matheu would go, Eric braeden. And one set of pictures shows Zanuck arriving in a T-shirt , I think it had a logo for a Warner Bros. movie on it (after he got booted out of Fox, he worked at Warners for about a year. Anyway, after he arrives, Zanuck strips off the shirt and has an "Escape from the POTA" shirt on underneath. He has a conspiratorial smile on his face. Well, where's his loyalty now? All I know is they BETTER invite Natalie to the premiere or Fox will hear from me.                                                              - - - - - Jeff P.S.: Sorry about that, just letting off a little steam.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] I GOT IT!!!

 In a message dated 5/14/01 1:42:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:
 
 

Sooner than you think...

http://www.collectibleconcepts.com/apewholesale.htm

I like the design and look of the new items. You could imagine the same
"look"
applied to classic ape images.
Best,
KEN
 

I saw the second new POTA movie poster at the theater on Saturday, the one
with the gorilla army on it.  At the bottom is the film's credits and NOWHERE
-- NOWHERE!! -- is Pierre Boulle mentioned.  This kind of pisses me off.  I
hope he gets a mention in the movie's credit roll.

-- Rory

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The Fox video site says there's a 144m. version of "Dolittle" and a 151m.
version. They say "Something in your Smile" was cut (Jacobs proposed to
Natalie with that song, that and "I Think I Like
You"). - - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Which doctor is in?


> In a message dated 05/20/2001 7:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << When I was in a store I looked at the "Dolittle" DVD. It's the long
> version, 151 minutes. So if a new edition comes out, unless it has a lot
of
> extras, don't bother. - - - - Jeff K. >>
>
> Damn it all to hell!!!! I'm confused! My DVD says it's 144 minutes.
I've
> only watched it once, but I know it doesn't have on it this Harrison
(that's
> Rex, not Linda) song that was cut. It also doesn't begin the way I
believe
> the 151 minute version begins, with Doctor Dolittle visiting a sick
crocodile
> or something before the credits. (By the way, the waterfall in POTA was
> created on the Fox Ranch for Doctor Dolittle. Bet you knew that.)
>
> Anyway, I'll just wait until June 5th and see what comes out. I'll
probably
> just pass on it anyway.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>

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williejoe@... writes:

.

 I think I have the NATO presentation. It's a long assemblage of scenes
from the movie with rough dialogue, etc. I have the POTA one and the
"Beneath" one. Got 'em from Joe Russo in '91.                  - - - - Jeff

Yeah, Joe told me about those.  In PLANET you can hear Taylor say "Dodge"
just before the gorilla shoots at him in the museum (in the movie you just
see Heston's lips move), and in BENEATH you see a gorilla fire his machine
gun into the cell where Taylor and Brent just fought.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] BEHIND DVD - NATO and DAILIES

In a message dated 5/20/01 8:13:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

.

 I think I have the NATO presentation. It's a long assemblage of scenes
from the movie with rough dialogue, etc. I have the POTA one and the
"Beneath" one. Got 'em from Joe Russo in '91.                  - - - - Jeff

Yeah, Joe told me about those.  In PLANET you can hear Taylor say "Dodge"
just before the gorilla shoots at him in the museum (in the movie you just
see Heston's lips move), and in BENEATH you see a gorilla fire his machine
gun into the cell where Taylor and Brent just fought.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/20/01 8:59:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

At the end of "Beneath" the gorillas break into the bomb room and the
mutants start to remove their masks (basically cutting two scenes
together!). One of the gorillas says, "The faces!" Then a card comes up
that says "No picture of "Beneath the POTA" will be released until after
the film is released".

Odd, since they used a mutant on the posters and the advertising, but who
cares? Ancient history.

Well, here in the east "The X-Files" has just started.  Guess we'll find out
now if Scully has an alien baby.  I'll let you know if they show another POTA
commercial.

Also, don't forget to check out that show on E! tonight about the summer
films.

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] BEHIND DVD - NATO and DAILIES

In a message dated 5/20/01 8:59:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

At the end of "Beneath" the gorillas break into the bomb room and the
mutants start to remove their masks (basically cutting two scenes
together!). One of the gorillas says, "The faces!" Then a card comes up
that says "No picture of "Beneath the POTA" will be released until after
the film is released".

Odd, since they used a mutant on the posters and the advertising, but who
cares? Ancient history.

Well, here in the east "The X-Files" has just started.  Guess we'll find out
now if Scully has an alien baby.  I'll let you know if they show another POTA
commercial.

Also, don't forget to check out that show on E! tonight about the summer
films.

-- Rory




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Frank Capra directed "It's A Wonderful Life", Frank Capra Jr. produced
"Escape", "Conquest" and "Battle". Besides, it's a wonderful life when
there's a lot of "Ape" hype. - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Time for a roll call!!!


> My local neighborhood hang-out is putting on a "Survivor" game. There
> are 10 questions. You answer all 10, then each week everyones answers are
> listed and based on the reply, you cast a vote to throw someone off. Week
#2
> is "Name your two favorite movies" My reply "It's A Wonderful Life" &
"Planet
> of the Apes" That ought to get some head scratchin' John
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:34 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Time for a roll call!!!

In a message dated 5/20/01 10:55:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

My local neighborhood hang-out is putting on a "Survivor" game. There
are 10 questions. You answer all 10, then each week everyones answers are
listed and based on the reply, you cast a vote to throw someone off. Week
#2
is "Name your two favorite movies" My reply "It's A Wonderful Life" &
"Planet
of the Apes" That ought to get some head scratchin'     John

I don't get this, but then I've never watched more than 10 seconds of
"Survivor," and I don't get it's popularity at all.  I consider the people
from "Survivor" who are now celebrities the 'unfamous.'  Remember how Dracula
was dead, but not dead?  He was the 'undead'?   Well, these people are
famous, but not famous.  They are the 'unfamous.'

Anyway, my two favorite films are "Planet of the Apes" and "2001: A Space
Odyssey."   Does that get me kicked off anything?

-- Rory



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<< I told them to look at Paramount and what they did for the Star Trek
series on
dvd and all the money they are making from it,and that they (Fox) could do
the same with Planet of the Apes. >>

Perhaps they are a bit embarassed about the poor quality of the series and
wrried about it not standing the test of time. Maybe they will have another
series based on the new films.

In a message dated 5/20/01 7:33:10 PM, williejoe@... writes:

<< P.S.: I know an insider myself who said some of the actors are shooting a
Japanese Pepsi commercial. That means "Apes" is connected to Pepsi like
"Star Wars" was. What do they have? KFC, Pizza Hut, what else? >>

Taco Bell....

Matt

In a message dated 5/20/01 6:33:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< That means "Apes" is connected to Pepsi like
"Star Wars" was. What do they have? KFC, Pizza Hut, what else? >>

The Bell

In a message dated 5/20/01 6:33:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< He's also heard that Burton got kinda artsy- fartsy and they're having
trouble editing >>

I knew that bastard was going to screw it up! Time for him to get on a diet
of coffee tea and coke and get busy. It's simple get your ass in the editing
room you go until you hit a wall and then you reshoot!

No, they should be embarrassed they put "Me, Myself and Irene" on DVD.
Believe me, these guys don't waste a second with , "Oh, it's not good
enough! We can't put that
- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] BRYAN STILL HEAR


>
> << I told them to look at Paramount and what they did for the Star Trek
> series on
> dvd and all the money they are making from it,and that they (Fox) could
do
> the same with Planet of the Apes. >>
>
> Perhaps they are a bit embarassed about the poor quality of the series and
> wrried about it not standing the test of time. Maybe they will have
another
> series based on the new films.
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 5/20/01 6:35:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

<< Believe me, with all due respect ( to Ms Trundy) >>

She's not a player.
If she was she'd do a little moving and shaking, instead of riding on her
husband's coattails

In a message dated 5/20/01 6:39:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< The test for filmakers now is to hold back, because now they have the
money and facilities to do ANYTHING, and as much of ANYTHING as they want. >>

No, they don't. If they did they would have shot Apes as written. The only
reason they brought those two guys in for rewrites was the expense. It was
cheaper! No one argued that it was redone because it wasn't any good. It
was too expensive to shoot. I'm not saying they didn't have the money. They
were just too cheap to spend it. Hopefully this is a prequel, and if it does
well at the box-office we'll get the real deal.

In a message dated 5/20/01 7:13:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< I think I have the NATO presentation. It's a long assemblage of scenes
from the movie with rough dialogue, etc. I have the POTA one and the
"Beneath" one. Got 'em from Joe Russo in '91. - - - - Jeff

>>

Oh, oh!!! Dibs on dubs!

I only caught a snippit of Apes.
But I missed the first half.
Did they show anything?

Oh, uh! Natalie Trundy has it. You know, the lady who rode on her husband's
coattails? - - - J.K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] BEHIND DVD - NATO and DAILIES


> In a message dated 5/20/01 7:13:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << I think I have the NATO presentation. It's a long assemblage of scenes
> from the movie with rough dialogue, etc. I have the POTA one and the
> "Beneath" one. Got 'em from Joe Russo in '91. - - - -
Jeff
> >>
>
> Oh, oh!!! Dibs on dubs!
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html Oh yeah, forgot about him.
See, it's easy to do.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

 Yeah? Well I'll tell you one person who should remember - - Richard D. Zanuck..."D" as in "D'oh!" - - - - - -Jeff K.

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From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Short Memories

 Believe me, with all due respect ( to Ms Trundy) I really doubt that there's anyone at the current Fox regime that would even know who Natalie is let alone call her to invite her to be involved. It's a completely different studio to what it was back then.
Let's hope they prove me wrong.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

I think Heston and Linda are enough cameos for this film. Natalie would be good for a sequel cameo since she did the sequels. But a phone call would be nice.         - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:43 PM

Subject: [pota] Short Memories

I think probably it has a lot more to do with pulling power and credibility.  In the good old days there were people who knew the name "Pierre Boulle" and might have wanted to see a movie based on one of his novels (also some "Bridge On the River Kwai audience may have been interested - and possibly disappointed!!!).  There was also the credibility factor - to say it is based on a story by a credible author would tend to give it more weight.But the modern target audience (young I would say, based on the age of the lead actors!) would say "Pierre Who?  Bridge On the WHAT?"  So I doubt there will be more thana fine print mention.However Zanuck has no excuse.  His memory may be failing but you would think he might have involved Natalie - I would have thought a cameo might have been appropriate too for such a key player in the Apes phenomenon.Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [mailto:williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2001 0:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Remembering

 Yes, I noticed that. The trailer also doesn't mention Boulle, funny since Burton's movie seems to be closer to the book than the original was (they even gave Boulle credit on the TV series!). I don't know, has enough time passed that they don't have to give credit? What are the rights after an author dies? I'm very angry that no one at Fox or even Zanuck bothered to call Natalie Trundy and say, "Hey, we're continuing your husband's life's work, should make a tidy profit. How you been?" Even after Zanuck left Fox he still went over to the Jacobs' for ping-pong matches. It was a ritual. Natalie showed me some pictures. Walter Matheu would go, Eric braeden. And one set of pictures shows Zanuck arriving in a T-shirt , I think it had a logo for a Warner Bros. movie on it (after he got booted out of Fox, he worked at Warners for about a year. Anyway, after he arrives, Zanuck strips off the shirt and has an "Escape from the POTA" shirt on underneath. He has a conspiratorial smile on his face. Well, where's his loyalty now? All I know is they BETTER invite Natalie to the premiere or Fox will hear from me.                                                              - - - - - Jeff P.S.: Sorry about that, just letting off a little steam.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] I GOT IT!!!

 In a message dated 5/14/01 1:42:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:
 
 

Sooner than you think...

http://www.collectibleconcepts.com/apewholesale.htm

I like the design and look of the new items. You could imagine the same
"look"
applied to classic ape images.
Best,
KEN
 

I saw the second new POTA movie poster at the theater on Saturday, the one
with the gorilla army on it.  At the bottom is the film's credits and NOWHERE
-- NOWHERE!! -- is Pierre Boulle mentioned.  This kind of pisses me off.  I
hope he gets a mention in the movie's credit roll.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 5/20/01 10:31:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Oh, uh! Natalie Trundy has it. You know, the lady who rode on her husband's
coattails? >>

Sorry. I get in a unfunny funny mood sometimes.
I'm sure she had it going on long before she ever met him.
He certainly didn't do all that much for her career. Hmmm...that doesn't
sound very good either. See what I mean? Foot and mouth disease. I must be
getting bitter about Kim's career not being better. Hey, I wouldn't blame
her if she did. Nepatisim is rampent and not just in Hollywood. I only wish
I knew someone in the biz. But, even if I did, no doubt I'd say something
that would rub them the wrong way. I just don't seem to be able to let a
punchline slide. Oh well . . . I'll work on it.

No problem, I was just being funny. I try to tone it down because someone
here accused me of "dropping names". I try not to do that, I just bring
stuff up when I think it's interesting. I know I'd like to read it, if I
didn't get it firsthand. Since Natalie Trundy is my friend (yes, THAT
Natalie Trundy) maybe I'm a little overprotective.

For the record: Natalie was the subject of an article in the June 24 - 30
1961 issue of TV Guide, at which time she had appeared in 150 TV
productions. This was before she and Jacobs were an item. They had met on
the set of "The Monte Carlo Story" (Arthur was the publicist for the star,
Marlene Dietrich, Natalie was the co-star- - - she even sings). She did
movies, plays, etc. etc. Here's a bit of trivia: in the Jimmy Stewart movie
"Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation" , she is the sister of Lili Gentle, who was
Richard Zanuck's first wife (Linda Harrison was his second, Lili Fini was
his third and current). Anyway, when Arthur and Natalie got married in the
late '60's, Arthur didn't want her to work, be a wife and a prospective
mother. It was Paul Dehn who suggested her for "Beneath" and Arthur was
against it. Afterwards, he was more accomodating and when they needed a new
she-ape to replace Kim Hunter (yes, LordT, THAT Kim Hunter)for "Conquest" it
was Arthur's suggestion (Natalie wasn't crazy about the makeup). Anyway,
Natalie's last movie was also Arthur's, "Huckleberry Finn", she did one
"Quincy" and that was that. Her inheritance allowed her to help Mother
Teresa and other adventures, usually in India. The common denominator is her
Catholic faith and her medical training.
Currently her work is on DVD in the "Apes" films and "Twilight Zone" #24
(and the voice of the parrot in "Doctor Dolittle").
As for the other topic, LordT, let's see what's on the DVD and then I can
work with Alex on distributing what I have.

- - - - - Jeff K.

Friend of Natalie Trundy
(yes,
THAT Natalie Trundy)

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:43 AM
Subject: [pota] Insert foot A into mouth B


> In a message dated 5/20/01 10:31:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << Oh, uh! Natalie Trundy has it. You know, the lady who rode on her
husband's
> coattails? >>
>
> Sorry. I get in a unfunny funny mood sometimes.
> I'm sure she had it going on long before she ever met him.
> He certainly didn't do all that much for her career. Hmmm...that doesn't
> sound very good either. See what I mean? Foot and mouth disease. I must
be
> getting bitter about Kim's career not being better. Hey, I wouldn't blame
> her if she did. Nepatisim is rampent and not just in Hollywood. I only
wish
> I knew someone in the biz. But, even if I did, no doubt I'd say something
> that would rub them the wrong way. I just don't seem to be able to let a
> punchline slide. Oh well . . . I'll work on it.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Oh, check this out: Arthur Jacobs dated Barbera Walters. It's a small
world. - - - - Jeff K.

P.S.: Because of her official site, an old friend of Natalie's was able to
track her down, a friend who was married to Sally Jesse Raphael. Those
trivias are a matched set.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Insert foot A into mouth B


> No problem, I was just being funny. I try to tone it down because someone
> here accused me of "dropping names". I try not to do that, I just bring
> stuff up when I think it's interesting. I know I'd like to read it, if I
> didn't get it firsthand. Since Natalie Trundy is my friend (yes, THAT
> Natalie Trundy) maybe I'm a little overprotective.
>
> For the record: Natalie was the subject of an article in the June 24 - 30
> 1961 issue of TV Guide, at which time she had appeared in 150 TV
> productions. This was before she and Jacobs were an item. They had met on
> the set of "The Monte Carlo Story" (Arthur was the publicist for the star,
> Marlene Dietrich, Natalie was the co-star- - - she even sings). She did
> movies, plays, etc. etc. Here's a bit of trivia: in the Jimmy Stewart
movie
> "Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation" , she is the sister of Lili Gentle, who was
> Richard Zanuck's first wife (Linda Harrison was his second, Lili Fini was
> his third and current). Anyway, when Arthur and Natalie got married in the
> late '60's, Arthur didn't want her to work, be a wife and a prospective
> mother. It was Paul Dehn who suggested her for "Beneath" and Arthur was
> against it. Afterwards, he was more accomodating and when they needed a
new
> she-ape to replace Kim Hunter (yes, LordT, THAT Kim Hunter)for "Conquest"
it
> was Arthur's suggestion (Natalie wasn't crazy about the makeup). Anyway,
> Natalie's last movie was also Arthur's, "Huckleberry Finn", she did one
> "Quincy" and that was that. Her inheritance allowed her to help Mother
> Teresa and other adventures, usually in India. The common denominator is
her
> Catholic faith and her medical training.
> Currently her work is on DVD in the "Apes" films and "Twilight Zone" #24
> (and the voice of the parrot in "Doctor Dolittle").
> As for the other topic, LordT, let's see what's on the DVD and then I can
> work with Alex on distributing what I have.
>
> - - - - - Jeff
K.
>
> Friend of Natalie Trundy
> (yes,
> THAT Natalie Trundy)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:43 AM
> Subject: [pota] Insert foot A into mouth B
>
>
> > In a message dated 5/20/01 10:31:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > williejoe@... writes:
> >
> > << Oh, uh! Natalie Trundy has it. You know, the lady who rode on her
> husband's
> > coattails? >>
> >
> > Sorry. I get in a unfunny funny mood sometimes.
> > I'm sure she had it going on long before she ever met him.
> > He certainly didn't do all that much for her career. Hmmm...that
doesn't
> > sound very good either. See what I mean? Foot and mouth disease. I
must
> be
> > getting bitter about Kim's career not being better. Hey, I wouldn't
blame
> > her if she did. Nepatisim is rampent and not just in Hollywood. I only
> wish
> > I knew someone in the biz. But, even if I did, no doubt I'd say
something
> > that would rub them the wrong way. I just don't seem to be able to let
a
> > punchline slide. Oh well . . . I'll work on it.
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 5/21/01 3:13:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Since Natalie Trundy is my friend (yes, THAT Natalie Trundy) maybe I'm a
little overprotective. >>

I know what you mean. I'm still pissed and Charton Heston for putting Kim
Stanley under Kim's picture and Fox for putting Kevin Hunter in the liner
notes for POTA/EPOTA soundtrack. True, Kim Stanley, a top notch Broadway
actress, might be an understandable mistake for a stupid editor, but not
Heston. And Kevin Hunter has only been acting for ten years, and is a dude!
Doesn't anyone have any proofreaders worth their salt anymore? This 'ain't'
the Internet. This is in print!
And how can you get the name right one minute and screw it up the next in the
same paragraph. That's just sloppy.


(Friend of Kim Hunter Yes, THAT Kim Hunter)
(Don't know if I'm a friend of hers. I probably pissed her off too)

That Kim Stanley stuff had me thrown for awhile. In fact, since you
mentioned it some time back, LordT. Because it's a mistake I've seen a lot.
I actually thought her name was Kim Stanley and she changed it to Hunter, or
married.

So, what was that "Heatwave" show about? Is the only "Apes" stuff what's on
Alex's website? My dish died.

- - - - - Jeff
K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Insert foot A into mouth B


> In a message dated 5/21/01 3:13:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << Since Natalie Trundy is my friend (yes, THAT Natalie Trundy) maybe I'm
a
> little overprotective. >>
>
> I know what you mean. I'm still pissed and Charton Heston for putting Kim
> Stanley under Kim's picture and Fox for putting Kevin Hunter in the liner
> notes for POTA/EPOTA soundtrack. True, Kim Stanley, a top notch Broadway
> actress, might be an understandable mistake for a stupid editor, but not
> Heston. And Kevin Hunter has only been acting for ten years, and is a
dude!
> Doesn't anyone have any proofreaders worth their salt anymore? This
'ain't'
> the Internet. This is in print!
> And how can you get the name right one minute and screw it up the next in
the
> same paragraph. That's just sloppy.
>
>
> (Friend of Kim Hunter Yes, THAT Kim Hunter)
> (Don't know if I'm a friend of hers. I probably pissed her off too)
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 5/21/01 4:22:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< So, what was that "Heatwave" show about? Is the only "Apes" stuff what's on
Alex's website? My dish died. >>

I wish I knew! When I checked the mail it was half over! I did see a
snippet of the trailer when they were talking about the summer remakes and
sequels but that was it! If they did more I missed it. They were
concentrating on Scream 2

In a message dated 5/20/01 3:05:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< www.ohthehorror.com >>

Pretty cool. But who had the Apes Kiss T- Shits?

"Scream 2"? I think they got their summers confused.

I assume everyone has checked out the newly decked out website. No doubt,
Fox expects this to be big. That's something they can keep updating even
after the movie comes out, to help promote merchandise and the DVD and
sequels. They have good reason to keep the fans happy with that. Unlike
"Pearl Harbor", which has an impressive website too, but without "Apes"'s
potential. I doubt they will do a sequel, and can't really corner the
market. They can't really copyright Pearl Harbor, it's a historic event.
Anybody can write a book about it and capitalize. Besides, too much
merchandise would look tacky. They can't even have a McDonald's tie-in.

What's interesting is how much the summer slate looks like Fox's late '60's
schedule. Of course, there's "Planet of the Apes" and "Dr. Dolittle 2", but
also "Pearl Harbor" is reminiscent of 1970's "Tora! Tora! Tora!", which is
also set during the Pearl Harbor attack. The two are being compared in the
articles I've read. And then there's "Moulin Rouge", which harks back to the
splashy musicals Fox made in the '60's (and which put Richard Zanuck in the
ejection seat). Personally, I hope it brings back musicals.

One last thing: someone here mentioned a long time ago that Mark Wahlberg
was the first choice for "Titanic" but couldn't do it. What is the source
for that? I think that's an interesting factoid, considering when it was
first anounced in the trades they wanted a young person to star in "Apes" it
was said they'd need someone like Leonardo DiCaprio (and the character was
named Leo, probably coined around the time of "Titanic").

- - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] A Kim by any other name


> In a message dated 5/21/01 4:22:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << So, what was that "Heatwave" show about? Is the only "Apes" stuff
what's on
> Alex's website? My dish died. >>
>
> I wish I knew! When I checked the mail it was half over! I did see a
> snippet of the trailer when they were talking about the summer remakes and
> sequels but that was it! If they did more I missed it. They were
> concentrating on Scream 2
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ask Brian.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Merchandise


> In a message dated 5/20/01 3:05:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> prophecysite@... writes:
>
> << www.ohthehorror.com >>
>
> Pretty cool. But who had the Apes Kiss T- Shits?
>
>
>
>
>
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In a message dated 5/21/01 5:22:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< "Scream 2"? I think they got their summers confused. >>

No, sorry, I'm corn fused. It was Scary Movie 2

In a message dated 5/21/01 5:22:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Ask Brian. >>

Asking Brian . . .

What was the place that had the Apes Kiss T-Shirts?

Attachments :

.html I believe the Los Feliz, CA, shop is called "XXL".

Brian

LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/21/01 5:22:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Ask Brian. >>

Asking Brian . . .

What was the place that had the Apes Kiss T-Shirts?
 
 

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Alex (or anyone),

Newbie here.

Did anyone out there ever happen to record the commercial last year that
featured Cornelius?

It was some commercial about a woman -- it was pretty idyllic, she was
having tea on the beach "With Cornelius from that ape movie" or something.

Ben

.html Hi Ben,

That's the Serta mattress commercial.  Steve Johnson's X-FX did the Cornelius make-up for it.

Brian

"Avery, Ben" wrote:

Alex (or anyone),

Newbie here.

Did anyone out there ever happen to record the commercial last year that
featured Cornelius?

It was some commercial about a woman -- it was pretty idyllic, she was
having tea on the beach "With Cornelius from that ape movie" or something.

Ben
 
 

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No way Rory, that'll get you in the Final 2. John, the Undead

Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! John

I'm here.

Activity seems to be back to normal.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: JSe3689836@... [JSe3689836@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2001 7:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Time for a roll call!!!

Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! John

Jack

Hope you didn't take it seriously when I accused you of "dropping names" -
it was said in jest!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2001 18:13
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Insert foot A into mouth B

No problem, I was just being funny. I try to tone it down because someone
here accused me of "dropping names".

.htmlHey everybody,

What do you think of some of the things that Eric Greene wrote about in his
book concerning "Planet of the Apes" as an ethnic slur likening
African-Americans to apes, or that POTA is used as a "term of contempt at
every KKK rally," and that POTA "has become a favorite 'cult' film among
skinheads"?  

I don't know how true this -- I'm not a skinhead and don't go to KKK rallies
-- but I think it stinks!   When I was a kid, back when there was only
PLANET, I never would have thought of such a thing.   Although I've been able
to laugh at it from time to time (and even Boulle flirted with it in the
book), actually I hate it to think of POTA in that way -- and in fact I
rarely do.  Some Black rappers have used it themselves, and Spike Lee had a
POTA reference in "Do the Right Thing," but I could live without it.

Remember in "Conquest" when Caesar says to MacDonald, "You above everyone
else should understand"?   I could live without that being in the series, too.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 7:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas writes:

Hey everybody,

What do you think of some of the things that Eric Greene wrote about in his
book concerning "Planet of the Apes" as an ethnic slur likening
African-Americans to apes, or that POTA is used as a "term of contempt at
every KKK rally," and that POTA "has become a favorite 'cult' film among
skinheads"?  

I don't know how true this -- I'm not a skinhead and don't go to KKK
rallies -- but I think it stinks!   When I was a kid, back when there was
only PLANET, I never would have thought of such a thing.   Although I've
been able to laugh at it from time to time (and even Boulle flirted with it
in the book), actually I hate it to think of POTA in that way -- and in
fact I rarely do.  Some Black rappers have used it themselves, and Spike
Lee had a POTA reference in "Do the Right Thing," but I could live without
it.

Remember in "Conquest" when Caesar says to MacDonald, "You above everyone
else should understand"?   I could live without that being in the series,
too.

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlDoes anyone else here know what today, May 21st, is in POTA history?

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:58 PM

Subject: [pota] May 21st

Does anyone else here know what today, May 21st, is in POTA history?

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 8:08:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

The 30th Anniversary of "Escape"?      - - - - Jeff K.

No, further back than that.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlOkay, here's a hint.  May 21st is the anniversary of the START of something
VERY POTA related.

-- Rory

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:01 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA as racist slur.

Hey everybody,

What do you think of some of the things that Eric Greene wrote about in his
book concerning "Planet of the Apes" as an ethnic slur likening
African-Americans to apes, or that POTA is used as a "term of contempt at
every KKK rally," and that POTA "has become a favorite 'cult' film among
skinheads"?  

I don't know how true this -- I'm not a skinhead and don't go to KKK rallies
-- but I think it stinks!   When I was a kid, back when there was only
PLANET, I never would have thought of such a thing.   Although I've been able
to laugh at it from time to time (and even Boulle flirted with it in the
book), actually I hate it to think of POTA in that way -- and in fact I
rarely do.  Some Black rappers have used it themselves, and Spike Lee had a
POTA reference in "Do the Right Thing," but I could live without it.

Remember in "Conquest" when Caesar says to MacDonald, "You above everyone
else should understand"?   I could live without that being in the series, too.

-- Rory

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:23 PM

Subject: [pota] May 21st. A hint.

Okay, here's a hint.  May 21st is the anniversary of the START of something
VERY POTA related.

-- Rory



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 7:00:56 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Does anyone else here know what today, May 21st, is in POTA history?

Today is the date of the start of production of Planet of the Apes (May
21,1967).<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 6:59:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

What do you think of some of the things that Eric Greene wrote about in his
book concerning "Planet of the Apes" as an ethnic slur likening
African-Americans to apes, or that POTA is used as a "term of contempt at
every KKK rally," and that POTA "has become a favorite 'cult' film among
skinheads"?   

I don't like any of it myself.And I have never thought of Apes as saying
anything of the sort either.

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 6:58 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] May 21st

In a message dated 5/21/01 7:00:56 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Does anyone else here know what today, May 21st, is in POTA history?

Today is the date of the start of production of Planet of the Apes (May
21,1967).

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:08 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA as racist slur.

In a message dated 5/21/01 6:59:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

What do you think of some of the things that Eric Greene wrote about in his
book concerning "Planet of the Apes" as an ethnic slur likening
African-Americans to apes, or that POTA is used as a "term of contempt at
every KKK rally," and that POTA "has become a favorite 'cult' film among
skinheads"?   

I don't like any of it myself.And I have never thought of Apes as saying
anything of the sort either.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 9:19:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

What, does he love "Apes" or somethin'? Don't it figure?!

Ok,I stand corrected,I forgot about that line.But I meant my comment of Apes
not saying it more in the sense that in his book,Greene seems to say that in
Planet,the gorillas are to be read as blacks,and that I never saw it that
way.I still don't.<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:56 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA as racist slur.

In a message dated 5/21/01 9:19:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

What, does he love "Apes" or somethin'? Don't it figure?!

Ok,I stand corrected,I forgot about that line.But I meant my comment of Apes
not saying it more in the sense that in his book,Greene seems to say that in
Planet,the gorillas are to be read as blacks,and that I never saw it that
way.I still don't.

<.html

.htmlHEY MIKE I AM SENDING THE MONEY TO YOU THURSDAY FOR 1 BOX SET 70.00 plus
30.00 shipping .is it mail or ups? what big city do you live near in
AUSTRALIA SYDNEY ? I was trying to find it on my map! HOW HOT IS IT THERE?I
WILL SHARE MY COPIES WITH OTHERS >MIKE DO YOU HAVE THE APES COLLECTABLES
BOOK? IF NOT I CAN ORDER ONE FOR YOU AND SEND ONE THE BOOK IS 21.00 THE BOOK
HAS MANY PHOTOS FROM THE APE MOVIES AS WELL AS OTHER COLLECTABLES >THANKS  
BRYAN <.html

Yeah well, I don't like skinheads.
And I like the Planet of the Apes.
You can read anything into anything if you try hard enough.
Skinheads are pro-fascism.
And the heroes of the films were anti fascist.
Long before the Ape culture became a police state.
They were fighting against one.
What does that say? You become what you hate?

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 11:02:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

Today is the date of the start of production of Planet of the Apes (May
21,1967).

Yeah, that was it.  PLANET started filming 34 years ago YESTERDAY.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 10:19:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

What, does he love "Apes" or somethin'? Don't it figure?!

Oh yeah!  I forgot that one!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/21/01 10:58:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

Ok,I stand corrected,I forgot about that line.But I meant my comment of Apes
not saying it more in the sense that in his book,Greene seems to say that
in
Planet,the gorillas are to be read as blacks,and that I never saw it that
way.I still don't.

 

Yeah, I never saw it that way either.  The gorillas are the POLICE in PLANET
after all!   Sure, Julius pushes a broom, but maybe he was too short to be a
cop?  What's up with that?

-- Rory
<.html

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http://www.stilyagi.org/aasfa/tanstaafl/planet.html"

TANSTAAFL is the quarterly fanzine of the Ann Arbor Science Fiction
Association. Please feel free to pass this along. ~ ed.


PLANET OF THE MEN: Editorial

No doubt, this spring, you've heard the media machine cranking up the
volume on Tim Burton's latest effort, a new take on Pierre Boulle's
PLANET OF THE APES. Aside from the monkey-love controversy, and the
questions over whether this film will embrace the novel accurately,
and aside even from the mad rush online to download the latest
trailer, I'd like to come at this from a different perspective. One
that may tax my position as the new editor here, to the hilt. You
voted me in. Humor me.

STAR TREK IV (The Voyage Home), when released in 1986, received
critical acclaim - and ridicule - as an eco-statement that portrayed
a crucial period in environmental history. While fans have scoffed at
the blatant tree-hugging nature of Trek's aging cast, who dashed
across time and space to save a couple of whales, the consciousness
of the theater-going public was enhanced, in a good way. Attention
was turned to a nasty topic - whaling - with a bright promise for
whalekind: that something can be done to save us from a world doomed
without them. Yes, the sappy plot turned away diehard Trekkies, but
opened the eyes of millions.

Years later we are replacing our cute, furry, or otherwise loveable
costars - species by species - with computer-generated models, and
that's not limited to animals; PEARL HARBOR couldn't have been filmed
without more than the fifteen or so surviving WWII aircraft in flying
condition today. JURASSIC PARK speaks for itself. THE SOPRANOS
brought back the dead. Don't even mention JUMANJI or Disney's TARZAN.

But now, Science Fiction turns back to Boulle, and his novel MONKEY
PLANET, which was more or less faithlessly butchered into a movie in
1968. Burton's latest revision, a multi-million-dollar epic, puts
legs on the old franchise and is due in theaters perhaps as you read
this. Before you go out and see it, however, I'd like to temper your
appetite a bit and ask you to go do something for me.

Please go to your computer and get online. Once you're there, pick
any search engine and type in this term:

BUSHMEAT.

Press Enter.

There. That was easy, wasn't it? Now I don't need to ramble on about
stuff you can read at your own leisure, and I can keep talking about
Science fiction and fandom, and movie budgets and party schedules...
I don't have to talk at all about how Africa's logging industries
will in fact extinctify several primate species - aside from
miniscule zoological stocks - within ten years as a profitable
sideline to logging itself. Or that the Congo's quest for high-tech
minerals brings back a steady stream of supplemental income for
prospectors in the form of tons of carcasses per week strapped to the
backs of trucks. Or how infants are rounded up, caged next to their
mothers' corpses, and sold for pets in some village downstream. Or
how some areas of Africa, where the likes of Dian Fossey and Jane
Goodall were once surrounded by gentle examples of pre-human society
that thrived in the bush, are home now to no animals bigger than a
squirrel.

Except, of course, for man.

Oh, dear. I think I may have tarried too long. Suffice it to say that
several mutiples of your average nature conservatory's annual
overhead go into making and selling movies like PLANET OF THE APES,
and you might just yet bow to that wave of hype and go see it. By all
means enjoy the hell out of it but please, try to remember the plight
of the real McCoy - the great apes in the here-and-now.

Boulle predicted that man would devolve, in his original novel. The
decline of man sparked resurgence of a segment of our evolutionary
family - key to our understanding of threats like Ebola, HIV, and
ourselves - that is being wiped from the planet right now. JURASSIC
PARK notwithstanding, it's still a hard road back from extinction at
the moment.

What can fandom do? Good question. This isn't like gas prices, where
we can quit driving for a day and freak out a petrol company. Boycott
the movie? I wouldn't be so presumptuous, but what would stop me,
unless I knew that a dime of proceeds earmarked for some cause of
relief would ever be used there, no matter what the execs in
Hollywood may say. YMMV.

What's the answer?

Simple. I've done it already. I've made the connection. Household
word meets undervalued issue.

Now a group of you cannot set foot in the theater and watch Markie
Mark do the funky bunch without the word 'bushmeat' ringing in your
ears. Some of you will dismiss it as tinnitus, and drown it out with
the sound of munching popcorn and maybe some of that Danny Elfman
music.

Some of you won't. And the few of those who won't, might just know
your congressman's mailing address.

Yet others of you will look at the seven fifty in your hand as you
get to the box office and realize that poachers on the other side of
the world charge as much for an entire family of gorillas,
slaughtered for the exotic food market. 'Planet of the Apes' will
take on new meaning. My work is done.

Are you guilty? Nah. But what can you do?

You're a human. You're smart. Search the web, and read up. Think of
something, then do it. They are running out of time. For X's sake,
gas is still cheaper than rice, pound for pound. Leave it alone and
do something important.

Hey, in STAR TREK IV, we got a happy ending. I just hope time travel
isn't the only solution, because that glorious plot resolution weapon
is not in hand yet. Let's not count on it, either. We evolved
foresight instead. Let's use it and say we tried.

~freon

http://www.bushmeat.org | http://www.4apes.com | http://www.cwaf.org
| http://www.janegoodall.org | http://www.gorillafund.org |
http://www.stilyagi.org/aasfa/tanstaafl/feedback.html"

.htmlFOR THOSE FANS OF LOST IN SPACE THERE WILL BE A PART 2 IT DID 85MILLION <NOT
BAD FOR A TV SHOW MOVIE >PLUS THE LOST IN SPACE DVD WAS AT NUMBER 1 FOR MANY
WEEKS .IT DID NOT MAKE OVER 100MILLION  I THINK BECAUSE PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO
BE CAMPY LIKE ON TV.BUT SOME THOUGHT IT WAS TOO SERIOUS TO HARD TO FOLLOW THE
TIME BUBBLE.THEY ALL SIGNED ON FOR ANOTHER EXCEPT WILLIAM HURT JOHN ROBINSON>
THE ROBOT LOOKED PRETTY COOL,AND THE SAME VOICE.THEY NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH
THE NEXT ADVENTURE.DONT COUNT IT OUT JUST YET!       BRYAN        IT COST 80
MILLIION TO MAKE  PLUS 10 MILLION IN DVD SALES  NOT TOO BAD  90MILLION TOTAL.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/22/01 4:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

FOR THOSE FANS OF LOST IN SPACE THERE WILL BE A PART 2 IT DID 85MILLION <NOT
BAD FOR A TV SHOW MOVIE >PLUS THE LOST IN SPACE DVD WAS AT NUMBER 1 FOR
MANY
WEEKS .IT DID NOT MAKE OVER 100MILLION  I THINK BECAUSE PEOPLE EXPECTED IT
TO
BE CAMPY LIKE ON TV.BUT SOME THOUGHT IT WAS TOO SERIOUS TO HARD TO FOLLOW
THE
TIME BUBBLE.THEY ALL SIGNED ON FOR ANOTHER EXCEPT WILLIAM HURT JOHN ROBINSON
>
THE ROBOT LOOKED PRETTY COOL,AND THE SAME VOICE.THEY NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH
THE NEXT ADVENTURE.DONT COUNT IT OUT JUST YET!       BRYAN        IT COST
80
MILLIION TO MAKE  PLUS 10 MILLION IN DVD SALES  NOT TOO BAD  90MILLION
TOTAL.

I haven't heard anything about a sequel to "Lost in Space."  I think it's
pretty generally thought that that film was a turkey.  It failed to capture
the mood or silliness of the original, and was instead just boring -- a big
nothing.  The fans of the original hated it.  Any movie that cost $80 million
and only makes $90 million is pretty much a failure in modern Hollywood.

Have you heard that the guy who produced the POTA documentary, Kevin Burns,
has acquired the rights to the series and is working on getting it released
to DVD (He might be the one to get the POTA TV series on DVD as well.), and
wants to start a new "Lost in Space" TV show?  It won't have anything to do
with the movie. (Source of this info: Cinescape March/April issue -- the one
with the new POTA on the cover)<.html

.htmlOkay, how about this for a topic:  What are your favorite POTA moments?  What
are the scenes, or even lines from the films or TV show that you just can't
wait to see or hear again?

I'll start with these:

In PLANET:  The crash landing, the first appearence of the gorillas on
horseback, "Get your stinking paws off of me....," "You cut up his brain, you
bloody baboon," the Statue of Liberty.

BENEATH:  the Ursus' speech, Zaius saying, "Now enough of this nonsense," the
subway station, the mutants 'revealing' themselves.

ESCAPE:  The apes taking off their helmets (and Jerry Goldsmith's main title
music), Hasslein's expression when he hears Cornelius' "Only when she lets
me." joke,  Zira under the sodium pentothal, Baby Milo's first words.

CONQUEST:  Caesar washing his hands, the apes coming over the bridge to face
the police, the torch cutting through the door and its busting in, "Tonight
we have seen the birth of the planet of the apes!"

BATTLE:  The end credit roll (NO! Just kidding!).   The shot of the destroyed
city (better than anything in BENEATH).

The TV show:  It's been too long since I've seen it to say, BUT what about
the rest of you?

-- Rory <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/22/01 7:48:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas writes:

Okay, how about this for a topic:  What are your favorite POTA moments?  
What are the scenes, or even lines from the films or TV show that you just
can't wait to see or hear again?

I'll start with these:

In PLANET:  The crash landing, the first appearence of the gorillas on
horseback, "Get your stinking paws off of me....," "You cut up his brain,
you bloody baboon," the Statue of Liberty.

BENEATH:  the Ursus' speech, Zaius saying, "Now enough of this nonsense,"
the subway station, the mutants 'revealing' themselves.

ESCAPE:  The apes taking off their helmets (and Jerry Goldsmith's main
title music), Hasslein's expression when he hears Cornelius' "Only when she
lets me." joke,  Zira under the sodium pentothal, Baby Milo's first words.

CONQUEST:  Caesar washing his hands, the apes coming over the bridge to
face the police, the torch cutting through the door and its busting in,
"Tonight we have seen the birth of the planet of the apes!"

BATTLE:  The end credit roll (NO! Just kidding!).   The shot of the
destroyed city (better than anything in BENEATH).

The TV show:  It's been too long since I've seen it to say, BUT what about
the rest of you?

Well, if I don't see these things come back to me in five minutes, I just
keep sending 'em!

-- Rory<.html

Rory wrote:

>
>Well, if I don't see these things come back to me in five minutes, I just
>keep sending 'em!

I'm receiving them Rory! Both of them!

Yahoo appears to be okay from where I am.

Alan

.htmlIn a message dated 5/22/01 8:04:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Rory wrote:
>
>Well, if I don't see these things come back to me in five minutes, I just
>keep sending 'em!


I'm receiving them Rory! Both of them!

Yahoo appears to be okay from where I am.

Alan

Same here.I received both of them too.I'll post my favorite moments later.

<.html

Well I just got done watching the John Chambers' 75th Birthday Party (thanks
to Rory for loaning me his VHS copy). It was very touching and certainly
seemed like a great time. Everyone was very sincere and Chambers was
obviously very touched. It was cool to see Brian and the Apemania troop in
action too.

That tape is a few years old. How is Chambers' health these days? He seems
like a real class act. Nothing will beat the original Apes makeups in my book.

Matt

Here's my favorite moments (off the top of my head):

PLANET: The astronaut's opening trek across the Foribidden Zone (even after
seeing the film so many times, I love the build up that these guys are in for
the surprise of their lives)

The first shots of the gorillas on horseback.

Any scene with Nova looking hot (OK, that's all of her scenes)

"Take your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!"

"It's a madhouse!"

Landon's fate.

Dr. Zaius and Taylor's conversation in Zaius' office.

"I didn't know your kind was monogomous" - "On this planet it's easy"

"I'm pretty handy with this" (future NRA Prez in action)

The final shot.

BENEATH:

Mmmmmm......Nova (Homer Simpson voice)

Ursus' speech.

The mutant reveal (just because it scared the $hit out of me when I was
little)

ESCAPE:

The opening scenes (I love that Goldsmith track too!)

"Because I loathe bananas!"

Bill Bonds (just because I grew up watching him here on the local Detroit
news broadcasts)

The final showdown.

Baby Milo speaks.

CONQUEST:

The opening credits (I like that music too. It does a good job setting up the
film)

Caesar chooses his name.

"The birth of the Planet of the Apes" (it blew my mind when I saw it as a kid)

BATTLE:

"They just joined the human race" (the best line in the film).


That's all for now. Maybe I will list my least favorite moments next....

Matt

.htmlITS BEEN 18 YEARS SINCE I SEEN THE SERIES BUT GALEN WAS COOL I WANTED AN APE
FRIEND TO HANG OUT WITH AT SCHOOL! THEY WERE GREAT TOGETHER> DOES ANYONE HAVE
A BIG APE COLLECTION! AND WHAT DOES EVERONE THINK IS THEIR MOST PRIZE ITEM!   
BRYAN<.html

I finished the Eric Greene book last week, but haven't gotten around to
posting my thoughts about it until now.

Overall it was well written, but seemed a bit wordy. My favorite parts were
the behind the scenes stuff and the info about the unused script ideas. I
felt that most of the book was bogged down by the racial and political
discussion. This is not bad because that was the point of the book in the
first place, it's just not my cup of tea. I think it is a valid subject
matter, but not what I would want to read for pleasure in my limited spare
time.

Greene makes some decent points, but many times seems to be grasping for a
racial meaning that's not really there. I wish I had written them all down as
I was reading the book, but an example is the designs of the huts in BATTLE.
Greene seems to think that this symbolizes Vietnam. My personal opinion is
that this is what they had to end up with in the film because the budget was
so small and they couldn't afford a more elaborate set. Same thing with the
school bus in BATTLE. I don't think it had anything to do with being a
metaphor for Rosa Parks and bus segregation. I just think that there happened
to be a bus on the studio lot and they decided to use it because it was
available (or something like that). There are many more things like this
(some of which were just discussed on this list a few days ago).

Overall, I think the book was OK. Every APES fan should pick it up for the
rare photos and the sheer fact that there aren't many books out there like
this dedicated to the APES phenomenon is such detail. It was OK to read once.
I probably won't read it again all the way through, but I will browse it from
time to time.

Matt

I'm looking for people to recommend some films that have a POTA connection
(like an actor, writer, producer, composer, etc). I would like to see lists
that combine the obvious (Ben Hur, A Streetcar Named Desire, Patton, Bridge
on the River Kwai, Rebel Without a Cause, The Muppet Movie) with some more
obscure films that we may have missed. I'm betting that Rory will have some
good thoughts on this, but I want to see others ideas too.

By the way Rory, did you ever finish your "Chuck" posts? I don't seem to
recall reading the conclusion. Is it lost in Yahooland?

Matt

.html John is doing okay these days.  Sometimes he's a bit more tired than others when we visit.  He seems to be getting interviewed all the time nowadays as well, which is very cool.  He's got some great stories to tell about his days working undercover for the government.

He's a very nice man and loves getting fan letters and visitors.

Anyone wanting to write to him can reach him here:

 
John & Joan Chambers
23388 Mulhulland Drive
Lodge Room 429
Woodland Hills, Calif. 91364-2733

Brian Penikas
apemania.com
 
 

MTotsky@... wrote:

Well I just got done watching the John Chambers' 75th Birthday Party (thanks
to Rory for loaning me his VHS copy). It was very touching and certainly
seemed like a great time. Everyone was very sincere and Chambers was
obviously very touched. It was cool to see Brian and the Apemania troop in
action too.

That tape is a few years old. How is Chambers' health these days? He seems
like a real class act. Nothing will beat the original Apes makeups in my book.

Matt
 
 

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In a message dated 5/23/01 12:47:00 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< He's a very nice man and loves getting fan letters and visitors. >>

I think I will do that. Would he write back if I included a SASE? (Of course
I could understand why he wouldn't)

Matt

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I was wondering if anyone in Ape-land could
help me out on this. I am looking for an 8 x 10 photo (black and white or
color) of Racquel Welch from "1 Million BC." It's the classic photo of her
standing with her arms stretched out at the side and looking into the
distance. Tim Robbins' character had a poster of this in "The Shawshank
Redemption."

I am going to do my basement up with a bunch of movie posters and 8 x 10s of
my favorite actors, characters, icons, and movie moments and would like to
include this photo. If anyone has an extra they want to sell or one that I
could borrow to make a decent copy of, let me know.

Thanks,

Matt

In the Chambers' tape there was a mention of an article that appeared in LIFE
magazine in 1967 before POTA came out (Rick Baker mentioned it).

Does anyone own a copy of this mag? What is the article like? How many cool
photos are there?

Matt

In a message dated 5/21/01 4:13:27 AM, williejoe@... writes:

<< No problem, I was just being funny. I try to tone it down because someone
here accused me of "dropping names". I try not to do that, I just bring stuff
up when I think it's interesting. I know I'd like to read it, if I didn't get
it firsthand. Since Natalie Trundy is my friend (yes, THAT Natalie Trundy)
maybe I'm a little overprotective. >>

Hey Jeff,

I don't think you're dropping names. I think it's cool that you're friends
with someone who has such a unique perspective on the whole APES mythos. I
love the little tidbits that you share with us and look forward to more in
the future.

Bring it on!

Matt

In a message dated 5/22/01 11:42:51 PM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< with some more obscure films that we may have missed >>

How obscure do you want 'em Do you want ones you can actually find?

In a message dated 5/22/01 5:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< THEY ALL SIGNED ON FOR ANOTHER EXCEPT WILLIAM HURT JOHN ROBINSON >>

How could they get Gary Oldman again? I mean aside from his character being
dead.

In a message dated 5/22/01 11:13:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
confreon@... writes:

<< You're a human. You're smart. Search the web, and read up. Think of
something, then do it. >>

I think the gorillas gave us the answer to this problem in the First movie!
As Rawhide would say . . . "Saddle up! You're on the clock!"

Was he? I thought he came back for a slap stick gag where Don West belts him to
shut him up. I think just his 'Future evil self' was dead. It's the ol' "time is
a highway" theory.
Like we haven't heard THAT before.
Best,
KEN

LordTZer0@... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/22/01 5:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << THEY ALL SIGNED ON FOR ANOTHER EXCEPT WILLIAM HURT JOHN ROBINSON >>
>
> How could they get Gary Oldman again? I mean aside from his character being
> dead.
>
>
>
>

.html John has paralysis on the right side of his body because of his stroke.  He is right handed.  He struggles to sign auto graphs with his left hand.  I'm not sure if his wife answers all the mail he gets, but I do know that they enjoy every bit of it that they get.

When we first visited John a few weeks after we threw his 75th B-day party, his room at the motion picture hospital/home was pretty barren.  Not these days, thanx to Scott's video and numerous magazine articles about the big guy, the place is a shrine of fan letters and gifts from all over the world.  It's nice to see.  Heck, some fan in Europe even sculpted a beautiful statuette of Chambers doing Kim Hunter's make-up in an entire make-up room setting.  Weighs a ton!

As far as writing to the Chambers, putting a sase in with any correspondence is a good idea.

Regardless, they'll enjoy anything that comes their way.

Brian

MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/23/01 12:47:00 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< He's a very nice man and loves getting fan letters and visitors. >>

I think I will do that. Would he write back if I included a SASE? (Of course
I could understand why he wouldn't)

Matt
 
 

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You want the August 18th, 1967 issue.  Supermodel Verushka (the Elle McPherson of her day) is on the cover. (see attached)

I can remember the first time I saw this magazine.  I was in high school and about to get my driver's license.  I went to the public library to go through all the old life magazines to find articles about the 1967 and 68 Mercury Cougar (my dream car).  I nearly pooped my pants when I saw the Planet of the Apes article.  Awesome!

Ebay has LIFE magazine dealers all over the place.  Just contact any one of them and I'm sure you'll find one.  Either that or visit your local used book store or do a used book source search on the net.

Brian

MTotsky@... wrote:

In the Chambers' tape there was a mention of an article that appeared in LIFE
magazine in 1967 before POTA came out (Rick Baker mentioned it).

Does anyone own a copy of this mag? What is the article like? How many cool
photos are there?

Matt
 
 

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.html Those images of Raquel are pretty common,in 8x10's and posters.

There are a few on ebay right now
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<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1432865367>

Good luck,

B

MTotsky@... wrote:

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I was wondering if anyone in Ape-land could
help me out on this. I am looking for an 8 x 10 photo (black and white or
color) of Racquel Welch from "1 Million BC." It's the classic photo of her
standing with her arms stretched out at the side and looking into the
distance. Tim Robbins' character had a poster of this in "The Shawshank
Redemption."

I am going to do my basement up with a bunch of movie posters and 8 x 10s of
my favorite actors, characters, icons, and movie moments and would like to
include this photo. If anyone has an extra they want to sell or one that I
could borrow to make a decent copy of, let me know.

Thanks,

Matt
 
 

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