.html1 of my favorite moments in the POTA series is in "Battle". I saw "Battle"
when it was first released in a crowded. theatre.  At the scene where Caesar
said "Now, Fight like apes!", the entire audience cheered ! That scene still
give me goosepimples.-Jim T.<.html

In a message dated 5/23/01 2:48:38 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< How obscure do you want 'em Do you want ones you can actually find? >>

Yeah or ones that I can look out for if they ever turn up on TV.

Matt

In a message dated 5/23/01 9:08:40 AM, Taylor401306@... writes:

<< 1 of my favorite moments in the POTA series is in "Battle". I saw
"Battle"
when it was first released in a crowded. theatre. At the scene where Caesar
said "Now, Fight like apes!", the entire audience cheered ! That scene still
give me goosepimples.-Jim T >>

I like that scene too, but the fact that Roddy's makeup is practically
falling off kind of bugs me.

Matt

How about the Japanese television series that was squashed down into an
English dubbed 90 minute movie:

Time of the Apes

I hear that they gave it the MST3K treatment. I have to admit, though, I
kinda liked it and would really like to see the entire series. If I only
had a couple hundred thousand dollars to buy the rights -- I'd make my own
dub and release it myself.

No. I'm serious.

Ben

I posted a bunch of topics last night and some got back to me and some
didn't. Here's the ones that didn't:

My original John Chambers video post (I know this went through to others
because Brian responded)

Eric Greene Book

My response to Insert Foot A Into Mouth B

I'm just curious if anyone else received the aforementioned posts or if
anyone is still having problems. Perhaps we should consider moving the list
to another free service.

Matt

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I just felt compelled to share this. The attached pic is from my 7th birthday
in November of 1975. As you can see, it was an excellent birthday from a
gift-standpoint. That's my sister on the left.

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 5/23/01 10:10:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Eric Greene Book

My response to Insert Foot A Into Mouth B

I'm just curious if anyone else received the aforementioned posts or if
anyone is still having problems. Perhaps we should consider moving the list
to another free service.

Matt

I didn't get these, but then YOU may not get this!

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 5/23/01 9:34:15 AM EST, MTotsky@... writes:

> I just felt compelled to share this. The attached pic is from my 7th

birthday

> in November of 1975. As you can see, it was an excellent birthday from a
> gift-standpoint. That's my sister on the left.
>
> Matt

And I still prefer those figures to the Medicoms...

Chad

Haristas@... writes:

>Okay, how about this for a topic: What are your favorite POTA moments?

What

>are the scenes, or even lines from the films or TV show that you just can't
>wait to see or hear again?

Off the top of my head...

Any scene with Zira.

"Get your stinkin' paws off me you damn dirty ape."

The interaction between Julius and Taylor

See, hear, speak no evil trial scene.

Zaius and Taylor conferance scene after the trial

Statue of Liberty ending of POTA.

The Lawgiver in Battle.

The feel/mood of Conquest.

The Apes shopping and hobnobbing spree in New York in Escape.

The first half of Beneath (not fond of the ending of this one, just felt like
the writers and directors were trying to avoid having to do another apes
film, figuring "if we blow up the place, that'll be it." instead of coming up
with a good ending.)

My favorite TV ep is the one with the blind chimp girl (although I have only
seen about half of them.) as far as the cartoons go, I'm going to have to
think awhile before I can come up with some good points on them...

Chad

.html ITS BEEN 18 YEARS SINCE I SEEN THE SERIES BUT GALEN WAS COOL I WANTED AN APE
FRIEND TO HANG OUT WITH AT SCHOOL! THEY WERE GREAT TOGETHER> DOES ANYONE HAVE
A BIG APE COLLECTION! AND WHAT DOES EVERONE THINK IS THEIR MOST PRIZE ITEM!   
BRYAN

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Why do you prefer the Megos Chad?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: DrZira3978@... [DrZira3978@...]
Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 6:21
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Before There Were Medicoms

In a message dated 5/23/01 9:34:15 AM EST, MTotsky@... writes:

> I just felt compelled to share this. The attached pic is from my 7th

birthday

> in November of 1975. As you can see, it was an excellent birthday from a
> gift-standpoint. That's my sister on the left.
>
> Matt

And I still prefer those figures to the Medicoms...

Chad

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/23/01 12:37:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Kay53531@... writes:

DOES ANYONE HAVE
A BIG APE COLLECTION! AND WHAT DOES EVERONE THINK IS THEIR MOST PRIZE ITEM!
   
BRYAN

Well, I'd have to say two posters I have from PLANET are my most prized
items.  Both posters are very rare, probably rarer than the door panels, I
believe.  They are 30"X44" and I think were meant to go up in bus and subway
stations around the New York City area just prior to PLANET opening wide
after playing at just two theatres in Manhatten for a couple months.  I
bought them for $17 each back in the seventies at this place called the Movie
Gallery on Long Island, NY.

The date on the bottom of the posters is April 3rd, 1968 and is the day
before Martin Luther King was shot -- which I guess Eric Greene would make a
big deal of.   I love both these posters, but I really wish I also had a Dr.
Zaius one, too!   Anyway, you can view them in the attachment.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/23/01 12:42:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

I'm looking for people to recommend some films that have a POTA connection
(like an actor, writer, producer, composer, etc). I would like to see lists
that combine the obvious (Ben Hur, A Streetcar Named Desire, Patton, Bridge
on the River Kwai, Rebel Without a Cause, The Muppet Movie) with some more
obscure films that we may have missed. I'm betting that Rory will have some
good thoughts on this, but I want to see others ideas too.

By the way Rory, did you ever finish your "Chuck" posts? I don't seem to
recall reading the conclusion. Is it lost in Yahooland?

Matt

What's the POTA connection with "The Muppet Movie"?  That one puzzles me.

I could write a big list here, but I'll tell you a better thing to do and
that is going to the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com), typing in
"Planet of the Apes" or any of the sequels, then just clicking on any of the
names of those involved and seeing their lists of credits and clicking on
some of those.   It great to have a website where you can do this.  When I
was a kid, you relied on reference books in the library or from used book
stores.

-- Rory

By the way, NO I haven't finished the "Chuck" thing.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/23/01 12:57:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

In the Chambers' tape there was a mention of an article that appeared in
LIFE
magazine in 1967 before POTA came out (Rick Baker mentioned it).

Does anyone own a copy of this mag? What is the article like? How many cool
photos are there?

Matt

It's just a three page spread, but it's pretty cool and it was the public's
first view of the apes.  The issue pops up on eBay every now and then.

In the future, I might get it scanned and post it here.

-- Rory<.html

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.html I thought I already sent this out this morning, but here it is again in case it did'nt go through.

"
Hey Matt,

You want the August 18th, 1967 issue.  Supermodel Verushka (the Elle McPherson of her day) is on the cover. (see attached)

I can remember the first time I saw this magazine.  I was in high school and about to get my driver's license.  I went to the public library
to go through all the old life magazines to find articles about the 1967 and 68 Mercury Cougar (my dream car).  I nearly pooped my
pants when I saw the Planet of the Apes article.  Awesome!

Ebay has LIFE magazine dealers all over the place.  Just contact any one of them and I'm sure you'll find one.  Either that or visit your
local used book store or do a used book source search on the net.

Brian "

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/23/01 12:57:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:
 
 

In the Chambers' tape there was a mention of an article that appeared in
LIFE
magazine in 1967 before POTA came out (Rick Baker mentioned it).

Does anyone own a copy of this mag? What is the article like? How many cool
photos are there?

Matt

It's just a three page spread, but it's pretty cool and it was the public's
first view of the apes.  The issue pops up on eBay every now and then.

In the future, I might get it scanned and post it here.

-- Rory

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.html Hey Matt,

I just realized this, and maybe it's been brought up before, but I always new that the Medicom NOVA was a famous pose.  Turns out that it's not Linda Harrison's but Raquel Welch's famous pose though!

Waddya think?

Brian

Brian wrote:

Those images of Raquel are pretty common,in 8x10's and posters.

There are a few on ebay right now
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1432450900>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1432865367>

Good luck,

B

MTotsky@... wrote:

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I was wondering if anyone in Ape-land could
help me out on this. I am looking for an 8 x 10 photo (black and white or
color) of Racquel Welch from "1 Million BC." It's the classic photo of her
standing with her arms stretched out at the side and looking into the
distance. Tim Robbins' character had a poster of this in "The Shawshank
Redemption."

I am going to do my basement up with a bunch of movie posters and 8 x 10s of
my favorite actors, characters, icons, and movie moments and would like to
include this photo. If anyone has an extra they want to sell or one that I
could borrow to make a decent copy of, let me know.

Thanks,

Matt
 
 

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.htmlDamn, I don't know if Yahoo is working right or not.  Well, I'll try sending
this again.<.html

<< when it was first released in a crowded. theatre. At the scene where
Caesar said "Now, Fight like apes!", the entire audience cheered ! That
scene still
give me goosepimples >>

It made me think . . . Hmmm...they should have shot that from a different
angle.

.htmlDEAR MICHAEL I HAVE 100.00 in travelers checks american express for 1 set
70.00 30.00 shipping .Sending thursday 25th. When were they released?Will you
send them mail or parcel ? Thank tou for your offer to do this for me ,its
been 18 years since i have seen the tv series! You should recieve money with
in 3to 5 days.Please email me when you ship them i will be watching for them
if i have to sign for package thanks , i will assist you if dvds become
available here. please email me let me know kay53531@...     BRYAN<.html

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In a message dated 5/23/01 8:51:36 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< What's the POTA connection with "The Muppet Movie"? That one puzzles me.>>

Paul Williams in his greatest role

<<I could write a big list here, but I'll tell you a better thing to do and
that is going to the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com), typing in
"Planet of the Apes" or any of the sequels, then just clicking on any of the
names of those involved and seeing their lists of credits and clicking on
some of those. It great to have a website where you can do this. When I
was a kid, you relied on reference books in the library or from used book
stores. >>

Yeah I figured I could do this, but I wanted to get a feel on some of the
faves from here in the "Monkey House." I'm just trying to generate a
discussion.

Matt

In a message dated 5/23/01 9:02:04 PM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< I just realized this, and maybe it's been brought up before, but I
always new that the Medicom NOVA was a famous pose. Turns out that it's
not Linda Harrison's but Raquel Welch's famous pose though!

Waddya think?

>>

I think you're right!

By the way, thanks for pointing out the auction with this photo. I am
currently the high bidder. I have done searches on ebay for this photo
before, but I could never find it. I guess you just have to be looking at the
right time.

Matt

Well, as far as Kim Hunter films are concerned
Streetcar probably turns up the most on television for obvious reasons. The
ones besides it that show up the most are her first film the suspense/horror
classic
The Seventh Victim and
Deadline USA a Humphrey Bogart noir.

Once in a while you might find the only antiwar film ever made during W.W.II,
Tender Comrade, an ironic title considering her later blacklisting. And
Lilith, A psychological Warren Beatty flick and
She makes brief appearances in
The Swimmer with Burt Lancaster.
The Kindred with Rod Steiger
Two Evil Eyes with Harvey Keitel &
Midnight In The Garden of Good And Evil
And her performance in
Dark August is the only good thing about it.

Her TV movies include . . .
Bad Ronald &
Born Innocent with Linda Blair
as well as many television series guest spots

One of her best films isn't on much. The Archer's classic . . .
Stairway To Heaven aka A Matter Of Life And Death with David Niven.

Betrayed aka When Strangers Marry is supposed to be a great noir with Robert
Mitchum, but it so rare I've never seen it and can't find a copy.

The same with Anything Can Happen and You Came Along.

Probably her most Apes related film is . . .
The Young Stranger, with Apes co-stars James Gregory and James Daly.
I managed to get a laser disk, but I don't have a player so I haven't seen it
either. Perhaps someday I can dub a tape.

In a message dated 5/23/01 11:12:29 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< One of her best films isn't on much. The Archer's classic . . .
Stairway To Heaven aka A Matter Of Life And Death with David Niven. >>

I've seen that film! It was pretty good.

Thanks for the list!

Matt

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiFantasyPicsEtc

Come check it out. You may end up liking it!

Wow Rory,
Those posters are pretty cool. I too am a collector but I haven't really
focussed on posters , mainly because they're so expensive (these days
and getting more expensive) and hard to display. I have an "Ape" room (
that also doubles as an ironing and junk room) where I display my
collection. I like to think I have a pretty decent collection. And
although I have a lot of items that are considered "rare", the Addar
kits, Don Post masks and Mego dolls are amongst my favourite items. I
also love the Medicom wind up figures and Ultra detail figures. Some of
the oddities I have are the U.K version of a 'give-a-show projector', a
U.K plaster casting kit featuring three figures and a MIP pair of APE
playfeet. These are hysterical, they are like slippers but have 'fur'
under feet. I got them from a prominent Ape collector who was selling
his collection at the time. There's loose a pair of these on Ebay at the
moment.
Best,
KEN

Great photo Matt,
I've got one similar ( which I'll dig out and post). Who else has such photos
that they're willing to share with the rest of us?
Best,
KEN

MTotsky@... wrote:

> I just felt compelled to share this. The attached pic is from my 7th birthday
> in November of 1975. As you can see, it was an excellent birthday from a
> gift-standpoint. That's my sister on the left.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> [Image]

I was watching the newly released 'SUPERMAN: The Movie' DVD ( a must
have for fans of the film, by the way.) and one of the original
theatrical trailers opens with music from "Planet" as Jor-El prepares
baby Sups for his departure from Krypton.
Using existing music from other films for trailers is a standard, but I
mustn't have noticed this one first time around.
Best,
KEN

Here's the link to the Ebay auction for the goofy APE 'Playfeet' I
mentioned earlier.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1432362101

Best,
KEN

Bad Ronald!!!

The dude who escapes into the interior of the house and builds "Atranta"!!!

I love that movie.

"You're weird Ronald - and so's your mom!".

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 13:08
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Recommend some Ape-Related Movies



Well, as far as Kim Hunter films are concerned
Streetcar probably turns up the most on television for obvious reasons. The
ones besides it that show up the most are her first film the suspense/horror
classic
The Seventh Victim and
Deadline USA a Humphrey Bogart noir.

Once in a while you might find the only antiwar film ever made during
W.W.II,
Tender Comrade, an ironic title considering her later blacklisting. And
Lilith, A psychological Warren Beatty flick and
She makes brief appearances in
The Swimmer with Burt Lancaster.
The Kindred with Rod Steiger
Two Evil Eyes with Harvey Keitel &
Midnight In The Garden of Good And Evil
And her performance in
Dark August is the only good thing about it.

Her TV movies include . . .
Bad Ronald &
Born Innocent with Linda Blair
as well as many television series guest spots

One of her best films isn't on much. The Archer's classic . . .
Stairway To Heaven aka A Matter Of Life And Death with David Niven.

Betrayed aka When Strangers Marry is supposed to be a great noir with Robert
Mitchum, but it so rare I've never seen it and can't find a copy.

The same with Anything Can Happen and You Came Along.

Probably her most Apes related film is . . .
The Young Stranger, with Apes co-stars James Gregory and James Daly.
I managed to get a laser disk, but I don't have a player so I haven't seen
it
either. Perhaps someday I can dub a tape.

Hey I just visited my parent's house and found my old Urko full size head
shot poster and a large "escape" poster of Zira, Corn and Milo running,
being shot at and it is done in such a way that they look like a target.

Anyone seen this poster before - I had forgotten it!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 15:37
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA collectibles

Wow Rory,
Those posters are pretty cool. I too am a collector but I haven't really
focussed on posters , mainly because they're so expensive (these days
and getting more expensive) and hard to display. I have an "Ape" room (
that also doubles as an ironing and junk room) where I display my
collection. I like to think I have a pretty decent collection. And
although I have a lot of items that are considered "rare", the Addar
kits, Don Post masks and Mego dolls are amongst my favourite items. I
also love the Medicom wind up figures and Ultra detail figures. Some of
the oddities I have are the U.K version of a 'give-a-show projector', a
U.K plaster casting kit featuring three figures and a MIP pair of APE
playfeet. These are hysterical, they are like slippers but have 'fur'
under feet. I got them from a prominent Ape collector who was selling
his collection at the time. There's loose a pair of these on Ebay at the
moment.
Best,
KEN

Yeah, I have this image as a daybill poster ( kind of like an 'insert' poster
but thinner paper and not as big). I think they used it instead of the
standard 'famuly portrait' image because they could print it as a 2 colour
poster instead of full colour to save money.
Cheap bastards!

Michael Whitty wrote:

> Hey I just visited my parent's house and found my old Urko full size head
> shot poster and a large "escape" poster of Zira, Corn and Milo running,
> being shot at and it is done in such a way that they look like a target.
>
> Anyone seen this poster before - I had forgotten it!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 15:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA collectibles
>
> Wow Rory,
> Those posters are pretty cool. I too am a collector but I haven't really
> focussed on posters , mainly because they're so expensive (these days
> and getting more expensive) and hard to display. I have an "Ape" room (
> that also doubles as an ironing and junk room) where I display my
> collection. I like to think I have a pretty decent collection. And
> although I have a lot of items that are considered "rare", the Addar
> kits, Don Post masks and Mego dolls are amongst my favourite items. I
> also love the Medicom wind up figures and Ultra detail figures. Some of
> the oddities I have are the U.K version of a 'give-a-show projector', a
> U.K plaster casting kit featuring three figures and a MIP pair of APE
> playfeet. These are hysterical, they are like slippers but have 'fur'
> under feet. I got them from a prominent Ape collector who was selling
> his collection at the time. There's loose a pair of these on Ebay at the
> moment.
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 5/24/01 3:32:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

<< Anyone seen this poster before - I had forgotten it! >>

I have it in German

Flucht vom Planet der Affen

.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 1:39:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

I have an "Ape" room (
that also doubles as an ironing and junk room) where I display my
collection.

An "Apes" room that's also a 'junk room'?!!!!!  Sacrilege!!!!!  The spirit of
the Lawgiver lives, but it doesn't reside amounst the refuge of man!  Move
that stuff or you'll hang for high treason!



<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 1:45:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

I was watching the newly released 'SUPERMAN: The Movie' DVD  ( a must
have for fans of the film, by the way.) and one of the original
theatrical trailers opens with music from "Planet" as Jor-El prepares
baby Sups for his departure from Krypton.
Using existing music from other films for trailers is a standard, but I
mustn't have noticed this one first time around.
Best,
KEN

Hey, I'll have to check that out!  I'm not a big fan of that movie, but now
I'll have to rent the new DVD if only to see and hear that trailer.

MOVE THAT STUFF!!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 3:05:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Hey I just visited my parent's house and found my old Urko full size head
shot poster and a large "escape" poster of Zira, Corn and Milo running,
being shot at and it is done in such a way that they look like a target.

Anyone seen this poster before - I had forgotten it!

Michael

Yeah, that ESCAPE poster was the way the film was sold in Australia.  That
image of Zira and Cornelius as a target was only used in newspaper ads here
in the States.  I have them in the pressbook.  One of these days I've GOT to
get a scanner to post all this stuff.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlOkay, Matt, send the wife out to visit the relatives.  Tomorrow night on AMC
is a fur bikini clad cave babe extravaganza!

8:15 PM "One Million Years B.C."

10:30 PM "When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth"

And remember. . . .  Akeetah!  AKEETAH!!!!

-- Roryosaur<.html

Thought I would throw mine into the mix !!

PLANET...
The loud eerie squawk just preceeding the hunt in the cornfield,
followed by everyone freezing in silence (now that made my hairs
stand on end!).

BENEATH...
Ursus giving his rabble rousing speech and Zira refusing to stand.

ESCAPE...
"Does the other one speak"....."Only when she lets me"

CONQUEST...
Ceasar stockpiling weapons down in the basement with all the other
apes, and then holding the knives/cleavers above his head to much ape
approval !

BATTLE...
Aldo pushing the human out the way then lifting the cart with his
back to enable them to fix the wheel. What a guy !

TV SERIES (The Trap)
When Urko finds the 20th Century poster advertising a Zoo with an ape
behind bars, top stuff !

Daniel

PREPAIR THYSELF AND THY WALLETS! It has begun:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1600695490>

Brian

In a message dated 5/24/01 9:57:36 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< PREPAIR THYSELF AND THY WALLETS! It has begun:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1600695490> >>

I hope to God no one bids on this. These will be flooding the toy aisles soon
enough.

Matt

.html MTotsky@... wrote:

I hope to God no one bids on this. These will be flooding the toy aisles soon
enough.

Matt

...And be reduced to the Toys R Us discount bins before X-mas.
$2.99 anyone?

Bri

MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/24/01 9:57:36 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< PREPAIR THYSELF AND THY WALLETS!  It has begun:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1600695490> >>
 
 
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 9:15:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
daniel225nma@... writes:

CONQUEST...
Ceasar stockpiling weapons down in the basement with all the other
apes, and then holding the knives/cleavers above his head to much ape
approval !


TV SERIES (The Trap)
When Urko finds the 20th Century poster advertising a Zoo with an ape
behind bars, top stuff !

Daniel

Oh, you know a moment in CONQUEST that I love is when Caesar lights the
blowtorch and freaks out all the other apes, that was great!

That episode you mention about is probably my favorite of the series, though
I'm not a huge fan of the series.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlJANE CALLED ME PERSONALLY FROM FOX.SHE SAID THAT SHE MISSREAD HER BOSSES
EMAIL! THAT SAID NO SERIES AT ALL IN NOV.IT WAS NO VHS TAPES WILL BE RELEASED
THE DVDS NEVER CHANGED NOV 20TH IS STILL ON! SO THEY TOLD ME NO MORE LETTERS!
OR PHONE CALLS! GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT JANE YOU GAVE US ALL HEART ATTACKS!   
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.html JANE CALLED ME PERSONALLY FROM FOX.SHE SAID THAT SHE MISSREAD HER BOSSES
EMAIL! THAT SAID NO SERIES AT ALL IN NOV.IT WAS NO VHS TAPES WILL BE RELEASED
THE DVDS NEVER CHANGED NOV 20TH IS STILL ON! SO THEY TOLD ME NO MORE LETTERS!
OR PHONE CALLS! GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT JANE YOU GAVE US ALL HEART ATTACKS!   
BRYAN              WE CAN ALL COOL DOWN  

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.html MTotsky@... wrote:

I hope to God no one bids on this. These will be flooding the toy aisles soon
enough.

Matt

...And be reduced to the Toys R Us discount bins before X-mas.
$2.99 anyone?

Bri

MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/24/01 9:57:36 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< PREPAIR THYSELF AND THY WALLETS!  It has begun:
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I'm looking.....

Still waiting to hear from Matt the reason you think the Megos are
better.......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 15:39
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Before There Were Medicoms

Great photo Matt,
I've got one similar ( which I'll dig out and post). Who else has such
photos
that they're willing to share with the rest of us?
Best,
KEN

MTotsky@... wrote:

> I just felt compelled to share this. The attached pic is from my 7th

birthday

> in November of 1975. As you can see, it was an excellent birthday from a
> gift-standpoint. That's my sister on the left.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> [Image]

whitty@... writes:

> Yeah but I won't be waiting.....but for all you cheapskates:
>
> If you buy them early and do not open them (as I do), KEEP YOUR RECEIPT

like

> I did with SW Ep 1. When the price dropped I bought another set for next

to

> nothing and returned the original set for a full price refund!!!!!! There
> were a few pieces that had sold out, but I already had these (at full

price,

> but at least I had them).
>
> Michael

Whoa... Michael... I bow to your superior cheapness... ;) What a GREAT
idea!!! The only thing I do like that is return books that I don't like to
the bookstore as a return to get another one...

Chad

In a message dated 5/23/01 6:03:03 PM EST, whitty@... writes:

> Why do you prefer the Megos Chad?
>
> Michael

I like the general look of them better, although I will have to take another
look the next sci-fi convention I go to and see if they grow on me any, I
really dodn't like the way the Zira one looked the first time I looked at
them.

Chad

.html Well, when I say 'junk room', it's more like a waiting room for things that need to go up in the attic. Stuff like the toys my son no longer plays with ( He looks after his stuff, so we don't throw it out or give it away. He can sell them on Ebay in about 20 years) and other bits and pieces that I've accumulated that are non-Ape related.  It's not quite an archaeological dig site, so don't charge me with heresy just yet.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/24/01 1:39:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:
 
 

I have an "Ape" room (
that also doubles as an ironing and junk room) where I display my
collection.

An "Apes" room that's also a 'junk room'?!!!!!  Sacrilege!!!!!  The spirit of
the Lawgiver lives, but it doesn't reside amounst the refuge of man!  Move
that stuff or you'll hang for high treason!
 
 
 

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In a message dated 05/24/2001 6:32:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

<< An "Apes" room that's also a 'junk room'?!!!!! Sacrilege!!!!! The

> spirit of
> the Lawgiver lives, but it doesn't reside amounst the refuge of man!
> Move
> that stuff or you'll hang for high treason! >>

I meant to write "the refuse of man" not "refuge." Dumb man that I am.

Your room sounds fine there, Ken "TAYLOR!!!"

-- Rory

In a message dated 05/24/2001 6:34:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Kay53531@... writes:

<< JANE CALLED ME PERSONALLY FROM FOX.SHE SAID THAT SHE MISSREAD HER BOSSES
EMAIL! THAT SAID NO SERIES AT ALL IN NOV.IT WAS NO VHS TAPES WILL BE
RELEASED
THE DVDS NEVER CHANGED NOV 20TH IS STILL ON! SO THEY TOLD ME NO MORE
LETTERS!
OR PHONE CALLS! GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT JANE YOU GAVE US ALL HEART ATTACKS!
BRYAN WE CAN ALL COOL DOWN >>

BRYAN!!!! NOW THAT WE CAN ALL CALM DOWN, HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SHOUTING BY
WRITING IN ALL CAPS?!!!!

There, that's better, isn't it? Oh boy! The "Apes" series is coming to DVD
after all.
Very good.

-- Rory

Some of you may want to check out this iron-artist's ape work. I found
it's presentaion on the site a bit insulting. What do you all think?

<http://daily.chattanooga.com/mcpeek/index.htm>


Brian

In a message dated 05/24/2001 8:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Some of you may want to check out this iron-artist's ape work. I found
it's presentaion on the site a bit insulting. What do you all think?

<http://daily.chattanooga.com/mcpeek/index.htm>


Brian >>

Well, I didn't think much of that. The guy doesn't seem to have much talent.

Anyway, I was wondering...... Do you know who it was that sculpted the
original Lawgiver statue? I would assume Bill Creber, but maybe not.

-- Rory

.html Bill Creber was in charge of the art department.  I do not know if he designed the original statue with his own drawings, but he did oversee every look of the film.  In those days, approved ART DEPT designs were shuffled off to the different studio departments; WOOD SHOP, PROP SHOP, FOAM SHOP, METAL SHOP, SCENICS, etc, etc, etc.   Chances are that a team of sculptors in the SCULPTURE shop worked on the Lawgiver from ape-proved designs, then the sculpture was handed over to the MOLD SHOP where stone or fiberglass molds were made of of it.

At least 2 full statues were pulled from those molds, one for location work, one for soundstages at the studio.

And at least one bust was made for use in the courtroom during Taylor's tribunal.  That bust was later fitted with blood tubes and oozed red paint during the hallucination scenes in Beneath. (rumor has it that the bust now resides in a basement in Florida) Blood drips were painted on one of the two full size statues for the long shots of the statue toppling over onto Zaius.

At the end of filming for Beneath, Jacobs gave one of the two full statues to Sammy Davis Jr., because he liked it so much.  That upset John Chambers, because Jacobs had already promissed it to him.  At some point the Candyman had it whitewashed while it sat in his back yard.  It is now owned by an actor in Studio City, California.  That's the one that we molded (for our replicas) and it has been completely restored to all it's original glory.

The other Lawgiver statue seen in many of the publicity fotos of Dr Zaius, (you know the shot of him that looks like he's in a dark room preaching in front of the statue?) was part of the Jacobs estate until sometime in late 1998 when Natalie Trundy auctioned it off.  Sadly it only fetched $15G's (I couldn't outbid the other guy once it reached 15.5, drat!!!)  but we wound up restoring it for the new owner anyway.  It was in pretty sad shape.  full of BB holes and such.  It now sits atop a hillside home in a private community in Orange County, Calif.   Actually a pretty majestic spot overlooking a state park area with hiking trails, so humans have to look up to the great one, and rightfully so!

The small desktop version of the statue  (seen in Zaius' office in the first film and Zira's house in Beneath) is owned by a special effects guy here in the San Fernando Valley, and it's very doubtfull anyone will ever see it again.  He keeps his collection pretty tightly wrapped.  I don't blame him.  He is contemplating making a limited edition avalable.  We'll see.

Too much information?  Sorry,  you got me going.

Brian
 
 

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 05/24/2001 8:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Some of you may want to check out this iron-artist's ape work.  I found
 it's presentaion on the site a bit insulting.  What do you all think?

 <http://daily.chattanooga.com/mcpeek/index.htm>
 

 Brian >>

Well, I didn't think much of that.  The guy doesn't seem to have much talent.

Anyway, I was wondering...... Do you know who it was that sculpted the
original Lawgiver statue?   I would assume Bill Creber, but maybe not.

-- Rory
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 9:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

Too much information?  Sorry,  you got me going. Brian
 

NO!   Thanks for all that info.  Very interesting.  Take care.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 8:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

Brian >> Well, I didn't think much of that.  The guy doesn't seem to have
much talent. Anyway, I was wondering...... Do you know who it was that
sculpted the
original Lawgiver statue?   I would assume Bill Creber, but maybe not. --
Rory

I'll agree with Rory on this one.Those aren't that hot at all.

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In a message dated 5/24/01 7:11:25 PM, whitty@... writes:

<< I'm looking.....

Still waiting to hear from Matt the reason you think the Megos are
better....... >>

I think you're thinking of someone else (Chad?) I never said Megos were
better, but if you want my opinion here it is:

Of course, the Medicoms are much more accurate and therefore better (they are
still not perfect figures, they need more articulation), but nothing will
ever hold the sentimental place in my heart that the Mego Apes (and the Mego
Superheroes) do. I played with those endlessly as a kid and therefore they
are better in that regard. I'm just glad my Mego Apes survived my childhood
relatively intact (I did have to replace some parts and figures - I wish I
still had the Ape City playset).

Make sense?

Matt

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Friday, 25 May 2001 8:30
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA collectibles

Well, when I say 'junk room', it's more like a waiting room for things that need to go up in the attic. Stuff like the toys my son no longer plays with ( He looks after his stuff, so we don't throw it out or give it away. He can sell them on Ebay in about 20 years) and other bits and pieces that I've accumulated that are non-Ape related.  It's not quite an archaeological dig site, so don't charge me with heresy just yet.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/24/01 1:39:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:
 
 

I have an "Ape" room (
that also doubles as an ironing and junk room) where I display my
collection.

An "Apes" room that's also a 'junk room'?!!!!!  Sacrilege!!!!!  The spirit of
the Lawgiver lives, but it doesn't reside amounst the refuge of man!  Move
that stuff or you'll hang for high treason!
 
 
 

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I'm not insulted, but I am not even mildly impressed!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [afryt4u@...]

. I found it's presentation on the site a bit insulting. What do you all
think?

Brian

In a message dated 5/24/01 9:16:23 PM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< Too much information? Sorry, you got me going. >>

Hell no! Keep it coming! I love this sort of stuff!

Matt

Absolutely and I would have to say I sincerely agree.

In terms of accurately portraying the apes I have to say nothing goes near
the Medicoms. But for the sentimentality I* attach to the Megos, they are a
cherished memory for me.

Sorry, it was Chad who made the comment (whoops).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]




better....... >>

I think you're thinking of someone else (Chad?) I never said Megos were
better, but if you want my opinion here it is:

Of course, the Medicoms are much more accurate and therefore better (they
are
still not perfect figures, they need more articulation), but nothing will
ever hold the sentimental place in my heart that the Mego Apes (and the Mego
Superheroes) do. I played with those endlessly as a kid and therefore they
are better in that regard. I'm just glad my Mego Apes survived my childhood
relatively intact (I did have to replace some parts and figures - I wish I
still had the Ape City playset).

Make sense?

Matt

Attachments :

Following Matt's post, I had a dig around for some photos of me that would
reflect my fandom of all things APE when I was a youngster. Apologies for the
poor quality, the camera I had at the time was pretty crappy and so is the
scanner I have now.
But I think you'll be able to make 'em out. In the shot where I'm playing in the
plants, you'll see ( maybe) that I'm holding the chimp 'Astro-Ape' POTA knock off
figure. I used to call him 'Augustus'. You may also be able to make out the Mego
Frankenstein (closest thing to a lobotomized human I had at the time) and Big
Jim's Gorilla.
In the other shot you will see the 'Urko' poster like the one Michael mentioned
in a previous email.
Ah, memories...
Who's next?
Best,
KEN

Like I've said before 'art is subjective' and this 'artist' obviously spends
a lot of time on these. But , sheesh, trying to affiliate them with our
beloved apes is pushing it a bit. I'm sure this is only the beginning
,they'll be coming out of the woodwork soon.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

> Some of you may want to check out this iron-artist's ape work. I found
> it's presentaion on the site a bit insulting. What do you all think?
>
> <http://daily.chattanooga.com/mcpeek/index.htm>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>

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Hey Rory,

I thought my long winded explination answered your question as to who sculpted the Lawgiver statue.  Being that Creeber was in charge of everything, it's doubtful he actually did any hands on.  That's not how it works with a guy in his position on films.  More than likely he oversaw a crew of sculptors and moldmakers in the statue's construction.  Next time I run into him I'l pick his brain on it, although I hear he grows weary of us "apeheads" and our questions.  He has done a few other films since Apes, you know.

Brian
 

mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/24/01 8:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:
 
 

Brian >> Well, I didn't think much of that.  The guy doesn't seem to have
much talent. Anyway, I was wondering...... Do you know who it was that
sculpted the
original Lawgiver statue?   I would assume Bill Creber, but maybe not. --
Rory

 

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In a message dated 5/25/01 11:58:58 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< ext time I run into him I'l pick his brain on it,
although I hear he grows weary of us "apeheads" and our questions. He
has done a few other films since Apes, you know >>

What are some others that Creber worked on? On thought his art direction was
amazing on POTA.

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 5/24/01 11:36:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

You may also be able to make out the Mego
Frankenstein (closest thing to a lobotomized human I had at the time) and
Big
Jim's Gorilla.
In the other shot you will see the 'Urko' poster like the one Michael
mentioned
in a previous email.
Ah, memories...
Who's next?
Best,
KEN

I see from your photos that you too perhaps love the old Universal Monsters,
Ken?   Is that so?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/25/01 11:59:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

Hey Rory, I thought my long winded explination answered your question as to
who sculpted the Lawgiver statue.  Being that Creeber was in charge of
everything, it's doubtful he actually did any hands on.  That's not how it
works with a guy in his position on films.  More than likely he oversaw a
crew of sculptors and moldmakers in the statue's construction.  Next time I
run into him I'l pick his brain on it, although I hear he grows weary of us
"apeheads" and our questions.  He has done a few other films since Apes,
you know. Brian
 

Yeah, I thought your original reply was great and not long winded at all --
and I wrote so.  I guess posts still aren't getting through.  Anyway, that
was interesting about a 'whitewashed' lawgiver in Sammy Davis Jr.'s backyard.
 What would Eric Greene make of that?

Take care,
Rory

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.htmlClick here: William J. Creber

Maybe this will answer your question, Matt.

-- Rory<.html

Great pics Ken! Thanks for sharing!

Matt

LordTZer0@... writes:

> Once in a while you might find the only antiwar film ever made during

W.W.II,

> Tender Comrade, an ironic title considering her later blacklisting.

Really!? I hadn't realized that she was blacklisted.

And

> Midnight In The Garden of Good And Evil

I've seen this... don't remember her in it... who does she play (I was so
disappointed in it after really liking the book).

> One of her best films isn't on much. The Archer's classic . . .
> Stairway To Heaven aka A Matter Of Life And Death with David Niven.
> Betrayed aka When Strangers Marry is supposed to be a great noir with

Robert

> Mitchum, but it so rare I've never seen it and can't find a copy.

Have to be on the look out for both of these, maybe they will show Betrayed
on my Encore Mystery channel.

Chad

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I see from your photos that you too perhaps love the old Universal Monsters,
Ken?   Is that so?

-- Rory

Yeah, at the time I was into pretty much all of famous monsters of filmland.
In particular, I loved Frankenstein and Dracula. For a while, I use to collect any dolls or figures of these characters but when I started focussing on my APES collection, they kind of took a back seat. The reason I had the Mego Frank was because at the time I had most of the Megos that were available. When we moved house, I gave them ALL to a friends little brother. I was about 14 and thought I'd grown out of them. I guess that's a common story with most Mego collectors. I still like Megos and will pick one up every now and again at a show if it's a reasonable price.
Best,
KEN
 

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http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433632909

Interesting item on Ebay but this guy either needs to learn how to spell
or get himself a proof reader.
With regards to this item, anyone got any history on it or know the
cella ( I meant to do that).
Best,
KEN

.htmlHey,

Anyone who hasn't seen the Chuck film "Soylent Green" can catch it on the
Sci-Fi Channel Saturday afternoon at 3 PM.

--Rory


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.htmlOkay, I've just had this idea for a game to play.   Name some human
celebrity, or politician, or anyone famous, then say if you think they are a
gorilla, chimpanzee, or orangutan.

This has no point to this other than to look at things as if THIS is the
planet of the apes (human-apes actually).

For instance, . . . .  President Bush?   Well, he's a conservative, so he's
gotta be an orangutan.   Clinton?  Looked like an orang, but was a chimp
because he was liberal.  Senator Jessie Helms?  An old, right-wing orangutan!

Some actors. . . .  Tom Cruise?   Chimp.   John Travolta?  Gorilla.  (He's
too big to be a chimp, and not orang material.)    John Goodman?   Off hand
I'd say orangutan, but he could be a gorilla.  Tom Hanks?  Chimp.  Mel
Gibson?  When young, a chimp, now a gorilla.   Charlton Heston?  Orangutan
(What else?)

Rosie O'Donnell?  Gorilla.   Oprah Winfrey?  Gorilla.  Winona Ryder?  Chimp.  
Winona Judd?  Gorilla.   Nicole Kidman?  Orang (Because of the red hair.)

Well, you get the idea.   Me?  A chimp.   How about you?

-- Rory the chimp.<.html

.html It is??!!
Thanks , now I don't have to watch it.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

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.html Yup, it's the real deal folks.
We actually tracked down a whole slew of rivits for the owner last year when he was trying to restore the thing.
100% real deal!

Great for hauling the kiddies around, doncha think?

Brian

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433632909

Interesting item on Ebay but this guy either needs to learn how to spell
or get himself a proof reader.
With regards to this item, anyone got any history on it or know the
cella ( I meant to do that).
Best,
KEN
 
 

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Quick! Someone forward Rory's post to Eric Greene for analysis!

Matt

OK, here's my picks (off the top of my head)

Chimps:
Alan Alda
Hillary Clinton
Cameron Diaz
Kevin Spacey
Michael J. Fox
Martin Sheen
Woody Allen
Helen Hunt

Gorillas:
Mike Tyson
Robert Deniro
Homer Simpson
Any Pro Wrestler
Charlton Heston (He's the head of the NRA for Christ's sake!)
Sylvester Stallone
Steven Segal
Elizabeth Taylor
Robert Blake
OJ Simpson
Gene Simmons

Orangs:
Eric Greene
Kelsey Grammer
Sean Connery
Clint Eastwood
Russell Crowe
John Lithgow
Dustin Hoffman

In a message dated 5/25/01 3:35:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
DrZira3978@... writes:

<< I've seen this... don't remember her in it... who does she play >>

She played the lawyer's secretary.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2001 12:53
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Soylent Green on Sci-Fi Channel

It is??!!
Thanks , now I don't have to watch it.
Best,
KEN

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/9345/people.wav Solylent Green is people..... Haven't seen that one in a while.Thanks Rory. Alex  

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.html Yup, it's the real deal folks.
We actually tracked down a whole slew of rivits for the owner last year when he was trying to restore the thing.
100% real deal!

Great for hauling the kiddies around, doncha think?

Brian

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433632909

Interesting item on Ebay but this guy either needs to learn how to spell
or get himself a proof reader.
With regards to this item, anyone got any history on it or know the
cella ( I meant to do that).
Best,
KEN
 
 

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Okay I'll Play...

Chimps:
Ann Richards
Bill Clinton
Ewan McGregor
Susan Sarandon
Martin Luther King Jr.
Ryan Phillippe
Whoopi Goldberg
Vanessa Redgrave
Stevie Nicks
Edina & Patsy
Jay & Silent Bob
all boy bands

Orangs:
Margaret Thatcher
George W. Bush
Queen Elizabeth
Richard Zanuck
Pat Robertson
John F. Kennedy
Sean Connery
all old establishment


Gorillas:
Mel Gibson
Ronald Reagan
Bill Gates
John Travolta
Mr. Mayer
Arnold
The Rock
all movie producers

Okay that's all I can think of...

Chad

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Michael Whitty wrote:

 How much is it worth Brian?Michael

Considerably more than the 500 clams it's currently at!

B

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.html Hey Gang,

'got the poop on the wagon.  The owner is looking to get $8G's for it, but may entertain lesser offers.  Keep in mind transporting the thing will be an issue (it's in Sacramento California).

Bri

Brian wrote:

Yup, it's the real deal folks.
We actually tracked down a whole slew of rivits for the owner last year when he was trying to restore the thing.
100% real deal!

Great for hauling the kiddies around, doncha think?

Brian

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433632909

Interesting item on Ebay but this guy either needs to learn how to spell
or get himself a proof reader.
With regards to this item, anyone got any history on it or know the
cella ( I meant to do that).
Best,
KEN
 
 

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Okay I'll Play...

Chimps:
Ann Richards
Bill Clinton
Ewan McGregor
Susan Sarandon
Martin Luther King Jr.
Ryan Phillippe
Whoopi Goldberg
Vanessa Redgrave
Stevie Nicks
Edina & Patsy
Jay & Silent Bob
all boy bands

Orangs:
Margaret Thatcher
George W. Bush
Queen Elizabeth
Richard Zanuck
Pat Robertson
John F. Kennedy
Sean Connery
all old establishment


Gorillas:
Mel Gibson
Ronald Reagan
Bill Gates
John Travolta
Mr. Mayer
Arnold
The Rock
all movie producers

Okay that's all I can think of...

Chad

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:22 PM

Subject: [pota] LOST IN SPACE GOOD FIRST TRY

FOR THOSE FANS OF LOST IN SPACE THERE WILL BE A PART 2 IT DID 85MILLION <NOT
BAD FOR A TV SHOW MOVIE >PLUS THE LOST IN SPACE DVD WAS AT NUMBER 1 FOR MANY
WEEKS .IT DID NOT MAKE OVER 100MILLION  I THINK BECAUSE PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO
BE CAMPY LIKE ON TV.BUT SOME THOUGHT IT WAS TOO SERIOUS TO HARD TO FOLLOW THE
TIME BUBBLE.THEY ALL SIGNED ON FOR ANOTHER EXCEPT WILLIAM HURT JOHN ROBINSON>
THE ROBOT LOOKED PRETTY COOL,AND THE SAME VOICE.THEY NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH
THE NEXT ADVENTURE.DONT COUNT IT OUT JUST YET!       BRYAN        IT COST 80
MILLIION TO MAKE  PLUS 10 MILLION IN DVD SALES  NOT TOO BAD  90MILLION TOTAL.

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I loved the "Battle" huts. They were interesting because they were
different, not the "Flintstones" architecture we're familiar with. I wish
they would have changed the costumes. I don't see the school bus as racial
allegory but I think it was a humorous touch and not just thrown in. I like
Eric's book a lot but it is wearing. Better in small doses. - - - Jeff
K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:37 PM
Subject: [pota] Eric Greene Book


> I finished the Eric Greene book last week, but haven't gotten around to
> posting my thoughts about it until now.
>
> Overall it was well written, but seemed a bit wordy. My favorite parts
were
> the behind the scenes stuff and the info about the unused script ideas. I
> felt that most of the book was bogged down by the racial and political
> discussion. This is not bad because that was the point of the book in the
> first place, it's just not my cup of tea. I think it is a valid subject
> matter, but not what I would want to read for pleasure in my limited spare
> time.
>
> Greene makes some decent points, but many times seems to be grasping for a
> racial meaning that's not really there. I wish I had written them all down
as
> I was reading the book, but an example is the designs of the huts in
BATTLE.
> Greene seems to think that this symbolizes Vietnam. My personal opinion is
> that this is what they had to end up with in the film because the budget
was
> so small and they couldn't afford a more elaborate set. Same thing with
the
> school bus in BATTLE. I don't think it had anything to do with being a
> metaphor for Rosa Parks and bus segregation. I just think that there
happened
> to be a bus on the studio lot and they decided to use it because it was
> available (or something like that). There are many more things like this
> (some of which were just discussed on this list a few days ago).
>
> Overall, I think the book was OK. Every APES fan should pick it up for the
> rare photos and the sheer fact that there aren't many books out there like
> this dedicated to the APES phenomenon is such detail. It was OK to read
once.
> I probably won't read it again all the way through, but I will browse it
from
> time to time.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

I have a copy of it. The interesting thing is wondering what people thought
when they saw it. The cover date is Aug. 18 '67, almost 6 months before the
film's release. It's 2 pgs and shows a nice size photo of Taylor in the
outdoor pen as Cornelius & Zira look on; a group of photos showing the
makeup process on Maurice Evans; a bad picture of the pull-over masks ; and
a head shot of two chimps. Oh, 3 pages... I forgot the full page photo of
Evans as Zauis holding the umbrella. Not much text; mentions Evans, Jacobs,
Heston, and Chambers. Mostly just talks about the makeup. The next page, the
last in the issue has a full page photo of a real chimp eating an ice
- - -Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:56 PM
Subject: [pota] Apes in LIFE Magazine


> In the Chambers' tape there was a mention of an article that appeared in
LIFE
> magazine in 1967 before POTA came out (Rick Baker mentioned it).
>
> Does anyone own a copy of this mag? What is the article like? How many
cool
> photos are there?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks, Matt. I enjoyed your Medicom article. - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Insert foot A into mouth B


>
> In a message dated 5/21/01 4:13:27 AM, williejoe@... writes:
>
> << No problem, I was just being funny. I try to tone it down because
someone
> here accused me of "dropping names". I try not to do that, I just bring
stuff
> up when I think it's interesting. I know I'd like to read it, if I didn't
get
> it firsthand. Since Natalie Trundy is my friend (yes, THAT Natalie Trundy)
> maybe I'm a little overprotective. >>
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> I don't think you're dropping names. I think it's cool that you're friends
> with someone who has such a unique perspective on the whole APES mythos. I
> love the little tidbits that you share with us and look forward to more in
> the future.
>
> Bring it on!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

Oldman turned down a part in "Apes" because they wouldn't pay him
- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] LOST IN SPACE GOOD FIRST TRY


> In a message dated 5/22/01 5:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << THEY ALL SIGNED ON FOR ANOTHER EXCEPT WILLIAM HURT JOHN ROBINSON >>
>
> How could they get Gary Oldman again? I mean aside from his character
being
> dead.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:24 AM

Subject: [pota] writing to John Chambers

John has paralysis on the right side of his body because of his stroke.  He is right handed.  He struggles to sign auto graphs with his left hand.  I'm not sure if his wife answers all the mail he gets, but I do know that they enjoy every bit of it that they get.

When we first visited John a few weeks after we threw his 75th B-day party, his room at the motion picture hospital/home was pretty barren.  Not these days, thanx to Scott's video and numerous magazine articles about the big guy, the place is a shrine of fan letters and gifts from all over the world.  It's nice to see.  Heck, some fan in Europe even sculpted a beautiful statuette of Chambers doing Kim Hunter's make-up in an entire make-up room setting.  Weighs a ton!

As far as writing to the Chambers, putting a sase in with any correspondence is a good idea.

Regardless, they'll enjoy anything that comes their way.

Brian

MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/23/01 12:47:00 AM, afryt4u@... writes:

<< He's a very nice man and loves getting fan letters and visitors. >>

I think I will do that. Would he write back if I included a SASE? (Of course
I could understand why he wouldn't)

Matt
 
 

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The "Beneath" ending was a consiracy between Heston and Richard Zanuck.
Apparently director Ted Post didn't know that until he saw the "Behind the
pOTA" documentary. He expressed his outrage that Heston would selfishly
champion that ending in "Apesfan" #2. Post hated that ending! (What happened
to the auteur theory?) - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <DrZira3978@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Favorite POTA moments.


> Haristas@... writes:
> >Okay, how about this for a topic: What are your favorite POTA moments?
> What
> >are the scenes, or even lines from the films or TV show that you just
can't
> >wait to see or hear again?
>
> Off the top of my head...
>
> Any scene with Zira.
>
> "Get your stinkin' paws off me you damn dirty ape."
>
> The interaction between Julius and Taylor
>
> See, hear, speak no evil trial scene.
>
> Zaius and Taylor conferance scene after the trial
>
> Statue of Liberty ending of POTA.
>
> The Lawgiver in Battle.
>
> The feel/mood of Conquest.
>
> The Apes shopping and hobnobbing spree in New York in Escape.
>
> The first half of Beneath (not fond of the ending of this one, just felt
like
> the writers and directors were trying to avoid having to do another apes
> film, figuring "if we blow up the place, that'll be it." instead of coming
up
> with a good ending.)
>
> My favorite TV ep is the one with the blind chimp girl (although I have
only
> seen about half of them.) as far as the cartoons go, I'm going to have to
> think awhile before I can come up with some good points on them...
>
> Chad
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 5/26/01 7:09:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I loved the "Battle" huts. They were interesting because they were
different, not the "Flintstones" architecture we're familiar with. I wish
they would have changed the costumes. I don't see the school bus as racial
allegory but I think it was a humorous touch and not just thrown in. I like
Eric's book a lot but it is wearing. Better in small doses.       - - - Jeff

It's nice to visit every so often, especially the stuff after the end of the
series, but like Matt, I'll never read it entirely again.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/26/01 7:21:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I have a copy of it. The interesting thing is wondering what people thought
when they saw it. The cover date is Aug. 18 '67, almost 6 months before the
film's release. It's 2 pgs and shows a nice size photo of Taylor in the
outdoor pen as Cornelius & Zira look on; a group of photos showing the
makeup process on Maurice Evans; a bad picture of the pull-over masks ; and
a head shot of two chimps. Oh, 3 pages... I forgot the full page photo of
Evans as Zauis holding the umbrella. Not much text; mentions Evans, Jacobs,
Heston, and Chambers. Mostly just talks about the makeup. The next page, the
last in the issue has a full page photo of a real chimp eating an ice
      - - -Jeff K.

Yeah, I've had a copy of this since the seventies.  It's an interesting
artifact of its day.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 5/26/01 7:23:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I've read that Kevin Burns, director/producer of "Behind the POTA", bought
the rights to "Lost in Space" and wants to do a "Next Generation" type
series with it.                  - - - Jeff Krueger

Probably starring the illegitimate child of Dr. Smith and the robot.  I
always suspected there's something 'funny' about that robot.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:20 PM

Subject: [pota] MICHAEL WHITTY APE SERIES VIDEOS

DEAR MICHAEL I HAVE 100.00 in travelers checks american express for 1 set
70.00 30.00 shipping .Sending thursday 25th. When were they released?Will you
send them mail or parcel ? Thank tou for your offer to do this for me ,its
been 18 years since i have seen the tv series! You should recieve money with
in 3to 5 days.Please email me when you ship them i will be watching for them
if i have to sign for package thanks , i will assist you if dvds become
available here. please email me let me know kay53531@...     BRYAN

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