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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:36 PM

Subject: [pota] APES posters (which do you like best?)

Hey everyone,

I was talking privately with Matt, who wishes he had a BENEATH 1-sheet, about
what I thought of that poster.

I think it's kind of boring.  It shouls have had the image of Ursus and the
mutant on it, as the 3-sheet, insert and window card do.

I was wondering something. . . .  Which original APES poster do you like
best?  I assume all of you have seen what the original 1-sheet posters looked
like.  They're at the end of the "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary,
and they're shown in the Inkworks card set.

Please say why you like the poster best, and why you don't like others.

I for one LOVE the PLANET 1-sheet, though many think it dull.  I think that
image of the outdoor cage is great, and the picture of Dr. Zaius very cool --
but then I've been living with it since I was eight.  I think BENEATH's
1-sheet is unimaginative.  They could have done much better.  I think
ESCAPE's is great, though maybe they shouldn't have had the three astroapes
shown with their helmets off.  CONQUEST's is awesome and really makes you
want to see the movie.  BATTLE's -- well, like the film, I find this one a
real comedown.  BUT, maybe if what was shown in that poster's art had really
been in the movie, BATTLE might have been better.

Anyway, what do YOU think?

-- Rory



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Boulle definitely didn't like the Statue of Liberty ending and called it
"a temptation from the devil". Yes, that "Cinefantastique" issue is great,
except where Jacobs tries to be a credit hog. He doesn't credit Natalie
Trundy for finding Boulle's book and takes credit for the Statue of Liberty
(it's now accepted that Serling came up with it). Obviously Jacobs is THE
MAN as far as "Apes" goes, but credit where credit is due!

- - -
- Jeff Krueger

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:26 PM
Subject: [pota] Cinefantastique Summer 1972


> Through the magic of eBay, I was able to pick up a copy of
Cinefantastique's
> Summer 1972 issue. This is the one that was dedicated to POTA and it is a
> fascinating artifact of its time. It has brief interviews with all of the
> movers and shakers that made the POTA phenomenon happen. Unfortunately,
most
> of them are dead (Arthur Jacobs, Pierre Boulle, Franklin Schaffner, Roddy
> McDowell, Maurice Evans, Paul Dehn, Don Taylor, Rod Serling, Michael
Wilson).
> The other interviews are with Charlton Heston, Kim Hunter, Ted Post, J.
Lee
> Thompson, John Chambers, William Creber and Jerry Goldsmith. The issue
came
> out before CONQUEST and at the time it seems like the general consensus
was
> the POTA was great, BENEATH was a bit sloppy and ESCAPE was very highly
> regarded.
>
> One thing that I found interesting is that it seems like a lot of the info
> from the BEHIND THE PLANET OF THE APES documentary was lifted directly
from
> this magazine. Another thing that I found amusing was an apperent
> disagreement between Jacobs and Boulle. In reference to the Statue of
Liberty
> ending Jacobs said "I sent the finished script back to Boulle, and he
wrote
> back, saying he thought it was more inventive than his own ending, and
wished
> that he had thought of it when he wrote the book." Interestingly, in
Boulle's
> interview section he says: "I disliked somewhat, the ending that was
used -
> the Statue of Liberty - which critics seemed to like, but personally, I
> prefer my own."
>
> I got the magazine for just over $15. My bid was around $6 until some guy
> named mlcougar came in and jacked the price up for me (no hard feelings
ml, I
> know you gotta do what you gotta do). If anyone needs this magazine for
their
> collection, I highly suggest hunting down a copy.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:16 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Cinefantastique Summer 1972

In a message dated 6/1/01 11:51:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

. Another thing that I found amusing was an apperent
disagreement between Jacobs and Boulle. In reference to the Statue of
Liberty
ending Jacobs said "I sent the finished script back to Boulle, and he wrote
back, saying he thought it was more inventive than his own ending, and
wished
that he had thought of it when he wrote the book." Interestingly, in
Boulle's
interview section he says: "I disliked somewhat, the ending that was used -
the Statue of Liberty - which critics seemed to like, but personally, I
prefer my own."

It's sometimes hard to know what the truth is situations such as this.  When
a movie is successful everyone wants to take credit or at least part of the
credit, and wants eveyone to think that all involved were of one mind and
enthusiastic about how things were done.  Afterall, what is one to say?  
"Well, actually so and so thought it was shit, but we did it that way anyhow
and it works, so fuck him."  No, you paint a pretty picture for public
consumption.  It goes way back to the old Hollywood publicity departments at
the studios.  Anyway, I think Jacobs told the story of how the Statue of
Liberty final just came to him and one-time director Blake Edwards as they
were leaving a deli.  But, it's known now that Rod Serling came up with it --
and HE got it from someplace else.  The image of a ruined, half-buried Statue
of Liberty appeared on some Sci-Fi mag covers years before.  I believe what
Boulle most objected to was Serling introducing nuclear war as the means of
man's downfall.  This was antithetical to Boulle's idea of human intellectual
laziness being the cause of the reversal of man and ape.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:11 AM

Subject: [pota] BEWARE!!!!!!!

Bryan,

 

I am still waiting on your money order.

 

Best to look on ebay for lunch boxes (I have one, but only one!).

 

EVERYONE, I think I have fixed the virus but BEWARE - just in case - do not open any attachments from me!

 

Michael

 

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From: Kay53531@... [mailto:Kay53531@...]
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2001 4:16
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] TO MICHAEL WHITTY

Dear Michael after seeing Daniels excitement over his ape series i cant wait
till mine arrive as well .Did my letter get to you in 3 days?The post office
said 5.00 for global priority.DO you have the planet of apes lunch box i am
trying to locate one any leads?       BRYAN   KAY53531@...




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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:30 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] ESCAPE novel -- was Re: Who Doesn't Prefer PLANET?

In a message dated 5/28/01 1:22:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Janos Prohaska and his brother.  
According to Bob Burns in his book "It Came from Bob's Basement!" this
Janos
dude was kind of a pain-in-the-ass. >>

Well, I don't know how the Prohaska bros. go the gig, but you can tell
Janos
for me to fuck off back to Gilligan's Island!

There's a 'beach party' movie, I think "Bikini Beach" (1964) that features a
Janos Prohaska chimp named Clyde.  He also played a chimp in "The Outer
Limits" episode called 'The Sixth Finger' which featured a classic John
Chambers make-up.  The Eloise chimp in ESCAPE is basically this same Prohaska
costume.  Janos Prohaska, I think his brother, and a bunch of makeup artists
were killed back in the early seventies when the plane crashed bring them
back from shooting this show about human evolution in Africa, "Primal Man."

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 10:23 AM

Subject: [pota] ape background masks

 

Haristas@... wrote:

...

You know they must have made a whole bunch of those ape background masks, but
you never see them pop up on ebay.

I wonder if Brian at Apemania knows whatever became of them?

-- Rory

They're still around as are the original molds.  I've seen them sell from $500 to $2,500 depending on the character and what film they were used in.

Really bad copies (3rd or 4th generation dupes) are out there as well, only they are sooooooooo tiny they wouldn't even fit on a small child.  Being that latex shrinks 10-30%, a third or fourth generation dupe is pretty darn small.

The quality of the detail is one of the best ways of telling which film the masks were used in.  Really fine detail would indicate a "first run" mask.  The molds usually are pretty worn out by the time 25 to 30 masks have been pull from them.

Most of the ORIGINAL masks that I've seen surface in the past few years are really badly pitted and smooth, indicating that the masks were made from original molds that were around from the beginning.
Most of the 3rd generation dupes I have seen were duped from poor condition masks as well.  So you've got really tiny masks with really bad surface details.

We are working on a commemorative version of a Background Gorilla to add to our line, here's a sneak peak of the sculpture.

take care.

Brian
 
 

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million in merchandise. - - - Jeff K.

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From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] All Time Box Office


> In a message dated 6/3/01 4:38:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
> prophecysite@... writes:
>
> << I think Titanic is going to be pretty safe until tickets rise to $20.00
a
> pop.
> Pretty interesting site though. >>
>
> Well, I for one was not at all happy to see that POTA didn't make the top
> 1000.
> Not even the top twelve hundred! Sure it didn't cost 7 or 8 bucks to go
to
> the movies in '68, but I for one am going to see that the new film does
> better if I have to go five times! Even if I don't like it! I'll by a
> ticket and not show. Just to prove this concept is a money maker. I
don't
> believe that it only made 26 million. They didn't count the overseas
> receipts! I know for a fact they showed it outside the states!
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:32 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: All Time Box Office

Well, I for one was not at all happy to see that POTA didn't make the top
1000.
Not even the top twelve hundred!  Sure it didn't cost 7 or 8 bucks to go to
the movies in '68, but I for one am going to see that the new film does
better if I have to go five times!  Even if I don't like it!  I'll by a
ticket and not show.  Just to prove this concept is a money maker.  I don't
believe that it only made 26 million.  They didn't count the overseas
receipts!  I know for a fact they showed it outside the states!

 

I hear you.

The only thing I see scary about that movie list is the Jurassic Park Numbers!

And low and behold here comes JP3 at the same time as POTA.

The release date gives Planet of the Apes (July 27th) 9 days for Jurassic Park 3 (July 18th) to slow down while Planet of the Apes can take the Top Spot once released.

 

But 9 days? That's cutting it pretty close.

Whlie Planet of the Apes can be a great movie, Jurassic Park is very well known!

So FOX better get that BIG advertisement campain going that they spoke about. because so far I see very little.

 

Less than 7 weeks and counting!

 

Best,

Alex

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I was watching The Thing from another world, on AMC, and I just knew there
was an APES connection. I'm seldom wrong about these things so I checked.
And I was right! Dr. Vorhees was played by Paul Frees. Like The Thing, many
of his roles in film have been uncredited. But he has a voice you've heard a
million times before and didn't know it. He's done a lot of cartoon voices,
Boris Badenov & Inspector Fenwick from Bullwinkle, Morocco Mole from Secret
Squirrel and just about every villain on the Dick Tracy Show, but usually as
the narrator.
Most of his film and TV credits are as narrator, or announcer.
He provided the voice-over at the end of Beneath!

<< Bill Blake and Paula Crist were to have been on that plane but at the
last minute they opted not to go. Bill still gets very emotional recalling
that flight. >>

Sorry about that Jeff. Not my intention to speak ill of the dead. That
aside, those costumes su-u-u-ucked! And had no place in an A-film. I
already had my suspension of disbelief tuned to accept the evolved apes as
apes, but accepting those costumes as primitive apes was pushing it. I'm
sure even the Prohaskas would agree they were lucky to have gotten that gig.
We were unlucky they did.
If only Rick Baker had got the job. His Kong would have been acceptable.
The gorilla they had was as bad as the Kong who fought Godzilla.

Brian - - -

Where did you guys film the menus for the new DVD? I assumed it was Malibu
Creek but you said you haven't been there.


Thanks,


Jeff K.

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From: "Brian" <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: [pota] Mink's and Apes


> Hey Gang,
>
> We lugged the newly finished Dr. Zaius mannequin over to the park today to
> take some pix of
> of it for the website. The photos came out really cool, 'cept for a few
of
> them that have this porn
> star Tiffany Minx in them. I tell you, the good ol' Doc can charm the
best,
> ..err "biggest" of them!!!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Bri
>
>
>
>
>
>


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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:34 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Zaius Haircuts et al

 

Hey Rory,

Thanx for the feedback.   We stare at this stuff so much that we can get desensitized to it.   Every little bit of input from the "real word" helps us to make a better product in the long run.  Likenesses are really tough, especially when choosing a pose or expression that's nuetral or in-between all of the varied reference fotos available.  My biggest gripe are the eyes.  On any head, they're a b*@ch and a half to get even halfway close to "right" looking.

That B&W is an actual signed copy out of my personal collection.  One of my two favorites, but not a good reference for sculpture because he's smiling and all scrunched up.  Good for the hair though.

As for driving us nuts, try having a hi-end client that lives less than a mile from your studio.  Sometimes I feel I have to hide my car somewhere so he won't keep dropping in un-announced so much!   I guess he feels the "by ape-pointment  only" sign doesn't ape-ply to him.  Everytime he stops by for a visit it's 30 minutes to an hour of delays and distractions.  UGH!

Anyway, all is grand.

Now it's onto the CAESAR statue!  Whahoo!

Brian
 

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/7/01 8:32:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:
 
 

Here you go Rory,  we've snipped and trimmed abit. comments pahleez. B

Well, since you asked. . . .  It's very good, of course, HOWEVER the bangs
are still too long and now I notice the nose hasn't been sculpted just right.
 Look at that black and white photo again.  I was just looking at an original
8x10 I have of that shot not more than a half hour ago.

It's a good thing I don't have the money to commission you guys to make me
one of those mannequins -- I'd drive you guys nuts!

-- Rory the SUPERstickler

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http://filmforce.ign.com/apes/articles/300616p1.html"

Best,
KEN

>
>

And not forgetting that he also supplied the voice for your Host...your 'Ghost'
Host at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion..

LordTZer0@... wrote:

> I was watching The Thing from another world, on AMC, and I just knew there
> was an APES connection. I'm seldom wrong about these things so I checked.
> And I was right! Dr. Vorhees was played by Paul Frees. Like The Thing, many
> of his roles in film have been uncredited. But he has a voice you've heard a
> million times before and didn't know it. He's done a lot of cartoon voices,
> Boris Badenov & Inspector Fenwick from Bullwinkle, Morocco Mole from Secret
> Squirrel and just about every villain on the Dick Tracy Show, but usually as
> the narrator.
> Most of his film and TV credits are as narrator, or announcer.
> He provided the voice-over at the end of Beneath!
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 6/16/01 2:09:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< I've heard that the 5 movies made $150 million in the '70's >>

It's funny . . . That's about what the new one cost.

In a message dated 6/16/01 4:36:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

<< And not forgetting that he also supplied the voice for your Host...your
'Ghost'
Host at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion >>

As well as many other Disney productions

Didn't Paul Frees also do the Meister-berger bergermeister voice in the
Rankin and Bass Santa Claus is Coming to Town?

> I was watching The Thing from another world, on AMC, and I just knew

there

> was an APES connection. I'm seldom wrong about these things so I checked.
> And I was right! Dr. Vorhees was played by Paul Frees. Like The Thing,

many

> of his roles in film have been uncredited. But he has a voice you've

heard a

> million times before and didn't know it. He's done a lot of cartoon

voices,

> Boris Badenov & Inspector Fenwick from Bullwinkle, Morocco Mole from

Secret

> Squirrel and just about every villain on the Dick Tracy Show, but usually

as

> the narrator.
> Most of his film and TV credits are as narrator, or announcer.
> He provided the voice-over at the end of Beneath!
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlHey Jeff and Brian,

Thanks for the tales of POTA locations.  I've always wondered where the cave
was in relation to the spot where the Statue of Liberty was (or at least
where the matte painting was put -- Hey, I wonder if that matte painting by
Emil Kosa is still around?  Now THAT would be a collector's item.).

If always wanted to take a trip to California and visit these locations, but
I probably would know how to find them.  Also, I found that after I visited
Lake Powell and the surrounding area that it kind of ruined the opening
portions of the film for me -- they lost the illusion.  Anyway, I'd be afraid
of ruining the rest of the film if I say visited the meadow where the
cornfield was and then knew that right over there is a condo complex or
something.

Anyway, thanks for the answers.

Hey Jeff, now I think I'll have to get the book if it has those pictures in
it.

-- Rory<.html

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B

Jack Krueger wrote:

   Sorry about that, Brian. If you don't want me to come by so often, just say so. But I'm paying good money for that and I have a right to keep tabs on it!                                                                      - - - - Jeff K.  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:34 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Zaius Haircuts et al

 

Hey Rory,

Thanx for the feedback.   We stare at this stuff so much that we can get desensitized to it.   Every little bit of input from the "real word" helps us to make a better product in the long run.  Likenesses are really tough, especially when choosing a pose or expression that's nuetral or in-between all of the varied reference fotos available.  My biggest gripe are the eyes.  On any head, they're a b*@ch and a half to get even halfway close to "right" looking.

That B&W is an actual signed copy out of my personal collection.  One of my two favorites, but not a good reference for sculpture because he's smiling and all scrunched up.  Good for the hair though.

As for driving us nuts, try having a hi-end client that lives less than a mile from your studio.  Sometimes I feel I have to hide my car somewhere so he won't keep dropping in un-announced so much!   I guess he feels the "by ape-pointment  only" sign doesn't ape-ply to him.  Everytime he stops by for a visit it's 30 minutes to an hour of delays and distractions.  UGH!

Anyway, all is grand.

Now it's onto the CAESAR statue!  Whahoo!

Brian
 

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/7/01 8:32:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:
 
 

Here you go Rory,  we've snipped and trimmed abit. comments pahleez. B

Well, since you asked. . . .  It's very good, of course, HOWEVER the bangs
are still too long and now I notice the nose hasn't been sculpted just right.
 Look at that black and white photo again.  I was just looking at an original
8x10 I have of that shot not more than a half hour ago.

It's a good thing I don't have the money to commission you guys to make me
one of those mannequins -- I'd drive you guys nuts!

-- Rory the SUPERstickler

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.html It's actually right in our studio's back yard.  A place called Stoney Point.  I guess it's part of the same mountain range as the Las Virgines local 20 miles away (where the Fox ranch was), that's why the terrain is so similar.

B

Jack Krueger wrote:

  Brian - - -

  Where did you guys film the menus for the new DVD? I assumed it was Malibu
Creek but you said you haven't been there.

Thanks,

Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <afryt4u@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: [pota] Mink's and Apes

> Hey Gang,
>
> We lugged the newly finished Dr. Zaius mannequin over to the park today to
> take some pix of
> of it for the website.  The photos came out really cool, 'cept for a few
of
> them that have this porn
> star Tiffany Minx in them.  I tell you, the good ol' Doc can charm the
best,
> ..err "biggest" of them!!!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Bri
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:47 AM

Subject: [pota] Thanks!

Hey Jeff and Brian,

Thanks for the tales of POTA locations.  I've always wondered where the cave
was in relation to the spot where the Statue of Liberty was (or at least
where the matte painting was put -- Hey, I wonder if that matte painting by
Emil Kosa is still around?  Now THAT would be a collector's item.).

If always wanted to take a trip to California and visit these locations, but
I probably would know how to find them.  Also, I found that after I visited
Lake Powell and the surrounding area that it kind of ruined the opening
portions of the film for me -- they lost the illusion.  Anyway, I'd be afraid
of ruining the rest of the film if I say visited the meadow where the
cornfield was and then knew that right over there is a condo complex or
something.

Anyway, thanks for the answers.

Hey Jeff, now I think I'll have to get the book if it has those pictures in
it.

-- Rory

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Paul Frees also did the narration for the Edward G. Robinson POTA makeup
test. He's kinda like the voice of God for "Planet of the Apes", including
"Beneath". He and John "Lawgiver" Huston should have arm wrestled to see who
is the most powerful.

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelby Rhodes" <slave1@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] BEWARE!!!!!!!!!


> Didn't Paul Frees also do the Meister-berger bergermeister voice in the
> Rankin and Bass Santa Claus is Coming to Town?
>
> > I was watching The Thing from another world, on AMC, and I just knew
> there
> > was an APES connection. I'm seldom wrong about these things so I
checked.
> > And I was right! Dr. Vorhees was played by Paul Frees. Like The Thing,
> many
> > of his roles in film have been uncredited. But he has a voice you've
> heard a
> > million times before and didn't know it. He's done a lot of cartoon
> voices,
> > Boris Badenov & Inspector Fenwick from Bullwinkle, Morocco Mole from
> Secret
> > Squirrel and just about every villain on the Dick Tracy Show, but
usually
> as
> > the narrator.
> > Most of his film and TV credits are as narrator, or announcer.
> > He provided the voice-over at the end of Beneath!
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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MTotsky@... wrote:

...

Could you make me a custom Julius out of a Medicom Soldier Ape?

Pipe-Dreamin' Matt

What, ANOTHER one?  Just kidding.  Like we've done so many of them before...

Sure.  We can do just about anything, to anything, these days.

I'm surprized Medicom didn't do Julius for the first series of figures.  Maybe theyt are saving it for the seconde series with the Mutants, John Houston, and the Caesar statue?

B
 

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LordTZer0@... wrote:

Wow Brian!
You do nice work.
 
 

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Here it is again:

PS:  Russ Raney is the owner of MODEL PRISONERS who puts out the "ESCAPE-O-NAUTS" and "Long Live The King" resin kits.
<http://WWW.MODELPRISONERS.COM/orkits.htm>

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

Is there a website?
What's the height on these?
 
 

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In the "Premiere" article they say there's nothing going on between those
two except a certain attraction. Obviously Liz didn't read the article
before she made her smart-ass comment. Maybe nothing goes on but they're
sure going out of their way to put Wahlberg and the chimp together in the
publicity while leaving Estella Warren by her lonesome. Nice little fantasy:
Aw, poor Estella! We'll comfort you.

- - -
Jeff K.

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From: <DrZira3978@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] F--- Liz Smith


> Eeeeeeek! What a subject line! My first thought was, "NOT even with your
d -
> - - mate!"
>
> It looks like this apes saga will definately be stiring some people up.
Maybe
> i'm just to big og a sci-fi geek, but I don't see what the big deal is
with
> the whole half ape/half human thing.
>
> Chad
>
>
>
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"Momento" is still around.  I think I'll check it out and see if it's as good
as the word-of-mouth on it.

I'm not surprised "Shrek" is doing so well.  Create a movie the whole family
can see and enjoy, and they WILL come.   Maybe the 'brains' behind the new
POTA figured that one out.

"Jurassic Park III" looks as if it's going to be pretty good from all I'm
seeing and reading.  POTA will have it's job cut out for it.

This weekend I'm also hoping my new re-mastered DVD of "2001" arrives from
Amazon.  I can't wait to check it out.  I've read it's really nice.

AMC is starting to promote its "monkey movies" this month (Iwonder if they
have anything planned for next month?).  Mostly stuff we've seen a zillion
times before, including the "Behind the POTA" docu. (cut into two parts), BUT
there's this thing on tonight I want to check out called "A*P*E."   It's
supposed to be this REALLY BAD South Korean "King Kong" rip-off.   It's on
tonight at 10 PM EST.  Might be good for a few laughs.

Well, a thunder storm is beginning here, so I better send this before the
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From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:34 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] TO MICHAEL WHITTY

 

Kay53531@... wrote:

.I wonder if the american dvds will have the same
covers? Bryan
 

Hi Bryan,
Just thought I'd chime in here. It's unlikely that the US DVDs will have the same packaging as that packaging was developed here in Australia by little ol' me. I used to work at 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment ( Apologies for those on the group who are sick of hearing this story) and lobbied for the Aussie release of the series.
Although we sent all the locally developed art to our Home office in L.A  should other countries want to pursue a similar release, I'd imagine that the Fox domestic office would not think ( or even realize the tapes had been released in Australia) to ask the International office for the art. So I'll be interested to see what they come up with. Glad you like the packaging, it's nice to read about fan 'approval' of the packaging.
Best,
KEN

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williejoe@... writes:

In the "Premiere" article they say there's nothing going on between those
two except a certain attraction. Obviously Liz didn't read the article
before she made her smart-ass comment. Maybe nothing goes on but they're
sure going out of their way to put Wahlberg and the chimp together in the
publicity while leaving Estella Warren by her lonesome. Nice little fantasy:
Aw, poor Estella! We'll comfort you.

                                                                      - - -
Jeff K.

Hey Jeff,

Honestly, what do you think of the way Carter looks as Ari?   Does it bother
you as much as it does me?   If she looks this stupid in action in the movie,
this thing could get laughed off the screen.

In fact, I'm not sure if you're on record as to what you 'think' this new
film will be like.   I'm actually playing close to the vest.   Am I opened
minded as to whether it will work or not?   My opinion is pretty much set,
but I'm not saying it because you really shouldn't say until you see what
you're talking about -- but my opinion ain't good.  Still, I have my fingers
crossed that Burton can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Don't bother asking Mlccougar, though -- He'll be glad to tell you what he
doesn't think, but KNOWS!

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:52 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Jersey Convention

Why not try and take in both of them, Alex?  When I saw this today that's what I'm thinking..now I'll have to make more plans!  I was already planning the Memphis one..do you have the address for the one in New Jersey?  I'll check you site again in a while to see.  Thanks for the heads up!

                *Lynne*

 

Well come to think of it I think I'm going to hold out for a bigger convention down the road.  If the film is a big hit then no doubt there will be sometime HUGE for L.A. in the weeks or months to come.

As for Jersey I wouldn't have mind but it's set for Opening Weekend July 28, 29 and I'm afraid I have plans for that weekend. So a bigger L.A. convention will be it for me. And aslo the fact that I've always wanted to travel to Califonia to visit.

Here's the link to the newspaper:

www.prophecysite.com/convention.jpg

You'll find it in the bulletin board under ' Planet of the Ape Events'

Sorry gang. Perhaps we'll all meet in L.A. for a huge sci-fi convention.

All the best,

Alex

 

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From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Dr. Zaius mannequin completed

We do on occasion have reject heads that, unfortunately, we have to destroy.

We used to put them up as "Grab-Bag" items on ebay from time to time, but folks started duping them and selling pirated copies so we've pretty much stopped selling the rejects.  A shame for the true fans that would put the items to good personal use, but FOX has its rules and franchise to look out for, and we have to keep them happy.

Someone recently let me know about a guy who actually had purchased stuff from us and then built a website  to sell "suspect" knock-offs of our items, and, get this, used images that he lifted from our site on his.  Needless to say, he's being investigated.

Oh it's a crazy, dirty, mixed up, greedy world out there.  Gimmee a banana smoothie, a small patch of beachfront land in the Forbidden Zone, and a Nova lookalike (mute of course) anyday, and leave the nuttiness of humanity to its own undoing.

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

   Hey Brian do you ever end up with extra heads etc... from making these?
And if so, what happens to them?
 
 

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they were used by some teens to make stop motion films.

So this brings up this question to the group:Did any of you guys ever try
making stop motion Apes movies using your Mego figures?How did they turn out
if you did?And have you gotten them transferred to video yet?

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:09 AM

Subject: [pota] Another weekend, another movie!

Well, "Tomb Raider" is getting REALLY BAD reviews, so I'm going to skip it.  
"Momento" is still around.  I think I'll check it out and see if it's as good
as the word-of-mouth on it.

I'm not surprised "Shrek" is doing so well.  Create a movie the whole family
can see and enjoy, and they WILL come.   Maybe the 'brains' behind the new
POTA figured that one out.

"Jurassic Park III" looks as if it's going to be pretty good from all I'm
seeing and reading.  POTA will have it's job cut out for it.

This weekend I'm also hoping my new re-mastered DVD of "2001" arrives from
Amazon.  I can't wait to check it out.  I've read it's really nice.

AMC is starting to promote its "monkey movies" this month (Iwonder if they
have anything planned for next month?).  Mostly stuff we've seen a zillion
times before, including the "Behind the POTA" docu. (cut into two parts), BUT
there's this thing on tonight I want to check out called "A*P*E."   It's
supposed to be this REALLY BAD South Korean "King Kong" rip-off.   It's on
tonight at 10 PM EST.  Might be good for a few laughs.

Well, a thunder storm is beginning here, so I better send this before the
power cuts out.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:15 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] F--- Liz Smith

In a message dated 6/16/01 12:08:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

In the "Premiere" article they say there's nothing going on between those
two except a certain attraction. Obviously Liz didn't read the article
before she made her smart-ass comment. Maybe nothing goes on but they're
sure going out of their way to put Wahlberg and the chimp together in the
publicity while leaving Estella Warren by her lonesome. Nice little fantasy:
Aw, poor Estella! We'll comfort you.

                                                                      - - -
Jeff K.

Hey Jeff,

Honestly, what do you think of the way Carter looks as Ari?   Does it bother
you as much as it does me?   If she looks this stupid in action in the movie,
this thing could get laughed off the screen.

In fact, I'm not sure if you're on record as to what you 'think' this new
film will be like.   I'm actually playing close to the vest.   Am I opened
minded as to whether it will work or not?   My opinion is pretty much set,
but I'm not saying it because you really shouldn't say until you see what
you're talking about -- but my opinion ain't good.  Still, I have my fingers
crossed that Burton can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Don't bother asking Mlccougar, though -- He'll be glad to tell you what he
doesn't think, but KNOWS!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:45 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Jersey Convention

If all goes well I'm going to the convention at the Shrine tomorrow. Cary Whatever his name is will be there, and not advertised, Booth Colman says he'll be there. I'm getting there early so they don't run out of the freebies.         - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

Hey if you can Jeff, take some pictures for us.

I'd really like to see and display this on the site!

 

Best,

Alex

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williejoe@... writes:

Well, I'll definitely take pictures. I've got alot of pictures I'd like to
share, including some from Natalie's collection, but I'm not very gifted in
using computers, such as scanning, files, etc. It's something to work out.
Maybe we can work out a night where everyone shares pictures.

                                                                      - -
- - Jeff K.



Hey Jeff,

Definately get some pictures scanned!  I'd love to see ALL you've got.  I
think if you take them to someplace like Kinkos they can scan and send them
out, or they can send them to, I guess, your Dad's computer, then you can
download them and send them out yourself.

Anyway, JUST DO IT!   Have fun at the Shrine tomorrow.

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:42 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: F--- Liz Smith

I haven't heard one person who likes the Ari makeup and I'm in that boat too. Even Rick Baker is skeptical in the new "Makeup Artist" magazine (a must get!). He said Burton wanted them to look like fashion models and he must have had the hots for Zira as a kid. Burton even imported a fashion hairstyler from New York to get her hair right.

 

 

Yeah I agree, the biggest problem with Ari was the fact that there would be a crush between Ari and Leo. So they had to make her more attractive so that the views wouldn't be so puzzled. Because If Ari would be madeup to look like a real chimp or something close to THADE. people would then think, this Leo has a major PROBLEM! And in return it wouldn't have been believeable.

 

And so that was the reason, I just didn't want to get into details.

But one thing that Burton did that was great was to made a few more apes that looked like Ari so that the charater didn't seem so fake. As it is seen in the trailer B.

 

But again it's nothing really new, as there is no Orang on the face of the earth that looks like the ones in the Original? Orangs don't look like Dr. Zaius, they look very different from what was presented in the original. The whole point is, be unique and creative. And so both the originals and the revisit clearly are.

 

Best,

Alex

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williejoe@... writes:

I'm sorry to hear "Tomb Raider" isn't that good. That was one I was really
looking forward to. Another one bites the dust. Of course, the important
thing is what Liz Smith thinks of it.

 I got the "Platoon" DVD this week, the special edition. It looks
fantastic. Good one hour documentary, too. Haven't got to the 2
commentaries yet. I want "2001" too, but like a dummy I bought it a couple
months ago. Still no extras, though.

                                                                     - - -
- Jeff K.


If you want to see some extras for "2001" the 1988 Criterion Collection
Laserdisc had quite a few.  I still have mine, though I haven't looked at it
in years.  I'd be happy to make a VHS copy for you.

I don't know why a Special Edition of "2001" hasn't come out on DVD.  It's
the most popular of Kubrick's films and any package of bells and whistles
would be devoured by fans.   I suspect they're saving such a thing for the
future so we'll all buy it yet again.

Speaking of Kubrick, or rather his legacy, I've been reading great things
about "A.I." on the web.  Looks like that will be one to see this summer.

-- Rory

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From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: F--- Ari

Alex - - -

 

 Is there a legit reason why the she-apes look like that? and not that 80% human crap. If the apes hate the humans so much why would they be considered more attractive hairless. I could see, for example, that Ari would want to look like that as an activist to protest the treatment of humans (that would be a good excuse, actually). But it looks like all the ladies are like that, whatever their political persuasion.

 

 "Makeup Artist" magazine confirms that Lisa Marie's character is named Nova.

 

Noooo - VA!

 

                                                        - - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:42 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: F--- Liz Smith

I haven't heard one person who likes the Ari makeup and I'm in that boat too. Even Rick Baker is skeptical in the new "Makeup Artist" magazine (a must get!). He said Burton wanted them to look like fashion models and he must have had the hots for Zira as a kid. Burton even imported a fashion hairstyler from New York to get her hair right.

 

 

Yeah I agree, the biggest problem with Ari was the fact that there would be a crush between Ari and Leo. So they had to make her more attractive so that the views wouldn't be so puzzled. Because If Ari would be madeup to look like a real chimp or something close to THADE. people would then think, this Leo has a major PROBLEM! And in return it wouldn't have been believeable.

 

And so that was the reason, I just didn't want to get into details.

But one thing that Burton did that was great was to made a few more apes that looked like Ari so that the charater didn't seem so fake. As it is seen in the trailer B.

 

But again it's nothing really new, as there is no Orang on the face of the earth that looks like the ones in the Original? Orangs don't look like Dr. Zaius, they look very different from what was presented in the original. The whole point is, be unique and creative. And so both the originals and the revisit clearly are.

 

Best,

Alex

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Another weekend, another movie!

In a message dated 6/16/01 1:56:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I'm sorry to hear "Tomb Raider" isn't that good. That was one I was really
looking forward to. Another one bites the dust. Of course, the important
thing is what Liz Smith thinks of it.

 I got the "Platoon" DVD this week, the special edition. It looks
fantastic. Good one hour documentary, too. Haven't got to the 2
commentaries yet. I want "2001" too, but like a dummy I bought it a couple
months ago. Still no extras, though.

                                                                     - - -
- Jeff K.

If you want to see some extras for "2001" the 1988 Criterion Collection
Laserdisc had quite a few.  I still have mine, though I haven't looked at it
in years.  I'd be happy to make a VHS copy for you.

I don't know why a Special Edition of "2001" hasn't come out on DVD.  It's
the most popular of Kubrick's films and any package of bells and whistles
would be devoured by fans.   I suspect they're saving such a thing for the
future so we'll all buy it yet again.

Speaking of Kubrick, or rather his legacy, I've been reading great things
about "A.I." on the web.  Looks like that will be one to see this summer.

-- Rory



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.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Two scraps of info on http://www.movieheadlines.net/

:

Elfman's music is reportedly going to be very elaborate and he is compiling
one of the largest orchestras ever for a film. Think they'll include a
ram's horn?

Rick Baker cut short what was to be a year's vacation to do "Apes" and
apparantly he had to go right to work on "Men in Black 2", which just
started shooting. He's just a guy who can't say no.

                                                                       - -
- - Jeff K.



Elfman's score IS one thing I'm very much looking forward to.  It should be
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Hey gang,

Interesting item on eBay web site item#1439535115: LOST IN SPACE meets
PLANET OF THE APES!!


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.html No laying low for the Apemania  troupe.  We've got all sorts of things planned for the next few weeks, and yes, for those who have been asking, there may be a trip to New York a$ well, but nothing i$ concrete with tho$e plan$ yet.

As far as us doing any of the new characters, that's Rick's domain.  If they ask us to participate, sure, no prob.  But Rick has all the resources to do promos with the new characters, and we are more than happy to leave it to him and his team.

Stay tuned....

B

Jack Krueger wrote:

 Hey Brian - - -  With all the talk that Fox is squashing classic "Apes" to make way for the new one -- - - - no pictures in books, they've postponed the video game, etc. - - - have they said anything to you guys about laying low?  Have they talked to you guys about maybe putting on the new makeup for promotions, maybe the premiere?                                                                    - - - - Jeff K. 

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prophecysite@... writes:

But again it's nothing really new, as there is no Orang on the face of the
earth that looks like the ones in the Original? Orangs don't look like Dr.
Zaius, they look very different from what was presented in the original

Granted you have a point there,but I'd say the most realistic of the bunch
is/was the President of the Assembly.They did a good job with Whitmore's
make-up.

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mlccougar@... writes:

Awhile back on eBay there was a lot of Megos up for auction.The seller said
they were used by some teens to make stop motion films.

So this brings up this question to the group:Did any of you guys ever try
making stop motion Apes movies using your Mego figures?How did they turn
out
if you did?And have you gotten them transferred to video yet?

I'm serious now,can anyone explain to me how Alex was able to reply to this
posting before I even received it?I've seen this many times before:I start
getting postings on other postings that I haven't even received yet.Sometimes
I wonder if my postings are even getting out there....

Does anyone else have this problem with delayed postings (or unreceived
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In a message dated 06/16/2001 3:41:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< But that's what makes Burton Burton. I'd rather he ere on the side of
originality and thoughtfulness than on playing it safe (a la what I hear
about "Pearl Harbor" and "Tomb Raider"). I'm looking forward to it and have
no problem with the differences from the originals, though I think it'll be
more faithful than we think.

- - -
- Jeff K. >>

More faithful to what? The Boulle original or the original film?

BYW, new "2001" DVD didn't get here today, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!! Next week,
i guess.

-- Rory

In case any of you haven't noticed, Yahoo still isn't working right. I'm
only getting about 85% of what's posted. Luckily, somebody replies to most
things, so I get to read the original message in the reply.

Lousy Yahoo bastards.

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Lousy Yahoo bastards.

You got that right.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Tidbits

In a message dated 6/16/01 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Two scraps of info on http://www.movieheadlines.net/

:

Elfman's music is reportedly going to be very elaborate and he is compiling
one of the largest orchestras ever for a film. Think they'll include a
ram's horn?

Rick Baker cut short what was to be a year's vacation to do "Apes" and
apparantly he had to go right to work on "Men in Black 2", which just
started shooting. He's just a guy who can't say no.

                                                                       - -
- - Jeff K.

Elfman's score IS one thing I'm very much looking forward to.  It should be
good, and I hope most of it gets put on the soundtrack CD.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:25 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: F--- Ari

Is there a legit reason why the she-apes look like that? and not that 80% human crap. If the apes hate the humans so much why would they be considered more attractive hairless.

 

That reminds me a funny story.

A wise man once said:

If some white people hate so much black people, why then would they go to the beach to get a tan?

 

Welcome to the Real Planet of the Apes!

Humans are no different than apes,

 

They're all nuts!!!

 

Best,

Alex :o)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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More faithful to everything, the book, the movies. As I said, I saw alot of
similarities to the TV show in the trailer. Not just because the humans
talk, but also they downplay the ship crash, you have two equal villians and
it looks like a "Fugitive" type story.

The remastered "2001" is supposed to have awesome picture and sound. Gotta
get it.

- - -
- Jeff K.

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From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] F--- Liz Smith


> In a message dated 06/16/2001 3:41:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << But that's what makes Burton Burton. I'd rather he ere on the side of
> originality and thoughtfulness than on playing it safe (a la what I hear
> about "Pearl Harbor" and "Tomb Raider"). I'm looking forward to it and
have
> no problem with the differences from the originals, though I think it'll
be
> more faithful than we think.
>
> -
- -
> - Jeff K. >>
>
> More faithful to what? The Boulle original or the original film?
>
> BYW, new "2001" DVD didn't get here today, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!! Next
week,
> i guess.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Yahoo still working like shit!

In a message dated 6/16/01 3:20:16 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
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Lousy Yahoo bastards.

You got that right.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:05 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Tidbits

It's coming out on Sony Classical. What they do is put out one CD and if it's successful they put out a 2 CD "uncut" version like they did with the "Star Wars" flicks, or a 2nd CD like "Titanic". You'll have to buy it more than once.

 

 

I can't wait to buy that soundtrack!

If it's anything like the trailer music, I'll be in classical music heaven!

I just hope that theme used in the trailer wasn't just a temporary put in track for the trailer, cause that thing totaly rocks!

 

I'm not too sure but I think it was.

 

Best,

Alex

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I read you loud and clear, Cougar. So your messages are going through to at
least some of us.

                                                                          
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From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:18 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Mink's and Apes

It's actually right in our studio's back yard.  A place called Stoney Point.  I guess it's part of the same mountain range as the Las Virgines local 20 miles away (where the Fox ranch was), that's why the terrain is so similar.

B

Jack Krueger wrote:

  Brian - - -

  Where did you guys film the menus for the new DVD? I assumed it was Malibu
Creek but you said you haven't been there.

Thanks,

Jeff K.

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: [pota] Mink's and Apes

> Hey Gang,
>
> We lugged the newly finished Dr. Zaius mannequin over to the park today to
> take some pix of
> of it for the website.  The photos came out really cool, 'cept for a few
of
> them that have this porn
> star Tiffany Minx in them.  I tell you, the good ol' Doc can charm the
best,
> ..err "biggest" of them!!!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Bri
>
>
>
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Uhhh....Damn I've been explosed!

Must travel back to the future now! Damn it!

Best,
Alex


Good deal.Can you tell me how the midwest APES society is handling the human
population in the year 3978?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 4:23:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Subj: Re: [pota] Dr. Zaius mannequin completed
Date: 6/16/01 4:23:04 PM Central Daylight Time
From:    williejoe@... (Jack Krueger)
Reply-to: pota@yahoogroups.com
To:    pota@yahoogroups.com




Hey Brian - - -

With all the talk that Fox is squashing classic "Apes" to make way for the
new one -- - - - no pictures in books, they've postponed the video game,
etc. - - - have they said anything to you guys about laying low?

Have they talked to you guys about maybe putting on the new makeup for
promotions, maybe the premiere?

                                                                  - - - -
Jeff K.


This is the type of crap I'm talking about.I mean I read Brian's reply post
to this post "before" I got this one.Lousy Yahoo! bastards indeed.<.html

Three cheers for Ken. Maybe it's the sales on the tapes that convinced
them to do the DVDs. - - - - Jeff K.

Awe..shucks!
Thanks Jeff, but when I was at Fox there wasn't a lot of communication
or synergy between the domestic and international divisions, but they
were working on it.
Best,
KEN

I always thought that it was Dick Tuffield (?) , the voice of the Lost In Space
Robot that did that narration. He does narrate a couple of the trailers. Escape
and Conquest, I think.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

> Paul Frees also did the narration for the Edward G. Robinson POTA makeup
> test. He's kinda like the voice of God for "Planet of the Apes", including
> "Beneath". He and John "Lawgiver" Huston should have arm wrestled to see who
> is the most powerful.
>
> - -
> - - Jeff K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shelby Rhodes" <slave1@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] BEWARE!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Didn't Paul Frees also do the Meister-berger bergermeister voice in the
> > Rankin and Bass Santa Claus is Coming to Town?
> >
> > > I was watching The Thing from another world, on AMC, and I just knew
> > there
> > > was an APES connection. I'm seldom wrong about these things so I
> checked.
> > > And I was right! Dr. Vorhees was played by Paul Frees. Like The Thing,
> > many
> > > of his roles in film have been uncredited. But he has a voice you've
> > heard a
> > > million times before and didn't know it. He's done a lot of cartoon
> > voices,
> > > Boris Badenov & Inspector Fenwick from Bullwinkle, Morocco Mole from
> > Secret
> > > Squirrel and just about every villain on the Dick Tracy Show, but
> usually
> > as
> > > the narrator.
> > > Most of his film and TV credits are as narrator, or announcer.
> > > He provided the voice-over at the end of Beneath!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

.html I think that in 1967 Billy Mumy must have been the luckiest kid in the world. The fun he would have had on that Fox lot. Batman was also shot there during Lost In Space's production.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

Hey gang,

Interesting item on eBay web site item#1439535115: LOST IN SPACE meets
PLANET OF THE APES!!

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439535115>
 
 

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In a message dated 6/16/01 6:31:39 AM Central Daylight Time, slave1@...
writes:

<< Didn't Paul Frees also do the Meister-berger bergermeister voice in the
Rankin and Bass Santa Claus is Coming to Town? >>

There's a list of all Frees' work both credited and uncredtied on the IMDB

In a message dated 6/16/01 10:58:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< He and John "Lawgiver" Huston should have arm wrestled to see who
is the most powerful. >>

I'm sure that Orson Wells would want to ar wrestle the winner. Speaking of
Wells, who's the voice in Citizen Kane that sounds like Frees'? I always
though it was Frees, but I don't think he worked back then.

I just got the July issue of Premier yesterday. It does have Wahlberg saying
"I was in bed with a chimpanzee." I don't think he even knows what will make
the final cut. But they may only be snuggling up for a cuddle with some
light sexual tension. But berton said if he was going to have bestiality he
wouldn't have it in a major studio film. Keeping the suspense up is probably
a good way to generate some extra ticket sales on opening night. You can't
protest something that you haven't seen. Unless you're Liz Smith!
Apparently things in her head she hasn't even read make her sick.

In a message dated 6/16/01 11:13:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Yeah, "that's what SHE said!" >>


BABOOM!

Welcome to the group!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: tekimball@... [tekimball@...]
Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2001 13:23
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] story ideas

[I just signed onto the list after lurking for a month]

I actually remember thinking how fake it was the first time I saw the
movie - and I was 12 years old and very cautious to be critical of anything
POTA!!!!

It sure detracted from credibility on a global scale.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2001 17:27
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] ESCAPE novel -- was Re: Who Doesn't Prefer PLANET?


<< Bill Blake and Paula Crist were to have been on that plane but at the
last minute they opted not to go. Bill still gets very emotional recalling
that flight. >>

Sorry about that Jeff. Not my intention to speak ill of the dead. That
aside, those costumes su-u-u-ucked! And had no place in an A-film. I
already had my suspension of disbelief tuned to accept the evolved apes as
apes, but accepting those costumes as primitive apes was pushing it. I'm
sure even the Prohaskas would agree they were lucky to have gotten that gig.
We were unlucky they did.
If only Rick Baker had got the job. His Kong would have been acceptable.
The gorilla they had was as bad as the Kong who fought Godzilla.

Similar to the publicity stunt of the announcement that Chuck would never
appear in a cameo - apparently they knew all along he had a part and the
best way to draw attention to it was to dent it at first.

Amazing.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2001 2:09
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] F--- Liz Smith

In the "Premiere" article they say there's nothing going on between those
two except a certain attraction. Obviously Liz didn't read the article
before she made her smart-ass comment. Maybe nothing goes on but they're
sure going out of their way to put Wahlberg and the chimp together in the
publicity while leaving Estella Warren by her lonesome. Nice little fantasy:
Aw, poor Estella! We'll comfort you.

- - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <DrZira3978@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] F--- Liz Smith


> Eeeeeeek! What a subject line! My first thought was, "NOT even with your
d -
> - - mate!"
>
> It looks like this apes saga will definately be stiring some people up.
Maybe
> i'm just to big og a sci-fi geek, but I don't see what the big deal is
with
> the whole half ape/half human thing.
>
> Chad
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:15 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] F--- Liz Smith

In a message dated 6/16/01 12:08:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

In the "Premiere" article they say there's nothing going on between those
two except a certain attraction. Obviously Liz didn't read the article
before she made her smart-ass comment. Maybe nothing goes on but they're
sure going out of their way to put Wahlberg and the chimp together in the
publicity while leaving Estella Warren by her lonesome. Nice little fantasy:
Aw, poor Estella! We'll comfort you.

                                                                      - - -
Jeff K.

Hey Jeff,

Honestly, what do you think of the way Carter looks as Ari?   Does it bother
you as much as it does me?   If she looks this stupid in action in the movie,
this thing could get laughed off the screen.

In fact, I'm not sure if you're on record as to what you 'think' this new
film will be like.   I'm actually playing close to the vest.   Am I opened
minded as to whether it will work or not?   My opinion is pretty much set,
but I'm not saying it because you really shouldn't say until you see what
you're talking about -- but my opinion ain't good.  Still, I have my fingers
crossed that Burton can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Don't bother asking Mlccougar, though -- He'll be glad to tell you what he
doesn't think, but KNOWS!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:42 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: F--- Liz Smith

I haven't heard one person who likes the Ari makeup and I'm in that boat too. Even Rick Baker is skeptical in the new "Makeup Artist" magazine (a must get!). He said Burton wanted them to look like fashion models and he must have had the hots for Zira as a kid. Burton even imported a fashion hairstyler from New York to get her hair right.

 

 

Yeah I agree, the biggest problem with Ari was the fact that there would be a crush between Ari and Leo. So they had to make her more attractive so that the views wouldn't be so puzzled. Because If Ari would be madeup to look like a real chimp or something close to THADE. people would then think, this Leo has a major PROBLEM! And in return it wouldn't have been believeable.

 

And so that was the reason, I just didn't want to get into details.

But one thing that Burton did that was great was to made a few more apes that looked like Ari so that the charater didn't seem so fake. As it is seen in the trailer B.

 

But again it's nothing really new, as there is no Orang on the face of the earth that looks like the ones in the Original? Orangs don't look like Dr. Zaius, they look very different from what was presented in the original. The whole point is, be unique and creative. And so both the originals and the revisit clearly are.

 

Best,

Alex

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<< what do you think of the way Carter looks as Ari? >>

I, for one, wonder . . . if they've decided to downplay Ari's human heritage,
why make apes that look like apes, and females that don't? If Lisa Marie's
character has the same 80's Janet Jackson, Nina Blackwood, Paula Abdul,
Mariah Carey looking hairdo, then why not give her the big chimp canines as
well? I don't know if these questions will be answered in the film but I
don't think so. And speaking of apes looking so apelike -- They do full face
or even three-quaters but in profile they don't.
I think this film will have something I like and some things I don't. Will
Burton pull a rabbit out of his hat? I think he'll pull some sort of
creature out of it. Rabbit? Well, we'll just have to wait and see and hope
it's not a weasel.

<< Maybe we can work out a night where everyone shares pictures. >>

There's an idea.
A good place to learn scanning is Kinko's.
That's where I went before I had one.

.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 4:28:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I hear there's supposed to be a $100 "2001" DVD box set. I don't know what's
in it. I would think any filmed extras would also be on the cheaper one.
Maybe it's one of those deals with the soundtrack, lobby cards, etc.

"A.I." looks real good. It looks like a somewhat darker film than the
usual Spielberg sci-fi. That might hurt the box office. Oh well, more money
for "Apes".

                                                                     - - -
- Jeff K.

You're right about the 2001 boxed set, it just has the new DVD, the complete
soundtrack CD released a few years ago, and some other crap.  Really not
worth it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 4:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

It's coming out on Sony Classical. What they do is put out one CD and if
it's successful they put out a 2 CD "uncut" version like they did with the
"Star Wars" flicks, or a 2nd CD like "Titanic". You'll have to buy it more
than once.

                                                                           
- - - - - Jeff K.

Oh shit!    Greedy human bastards!!

-- Rory K.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 5:48:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

I actually remember thinking how fake it was the first time I saw the
movie - and I was 12 years old and very cautious to be critical of anything
POTA!!!!

It sure detracted from credibility on a global scale.

Michael

It sure did,Thats why I wish they would have just cut a day of shooting or
just transferred a little bit of money from the other areas of production to
supply the money for make-ups for the primitive apes.I'm sure they could have
done all the shooting with the primitive apes in one day and it would have
looked 1000 times better.I like Escape,but those "Gilligan's Island" apes
really do put a damper on the scenes they are in.

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.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 5:06:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I read you loud and clear, Cougar. So your messages are going through to at
least some of us.

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.

I think you folks on the west coast get everything because Yahoo's computers
are out there.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/01 6:40:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Welcome to the group!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From:    tekimball@... [tekimball@...]
Sent:    Saturday, 16 June 2001 13:23
To:    pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:    [pota] story ideas

[I just signed onto the list after lurking for a month]

Now you see here.  I never got this.  Who is 'tekimball'?   Bulgaria?!!    
Well, welcome anyway!

-- Rory<.html

<< But one thing that Burton did that was great was to made a few more apes
that looked like Ari so that the character didn't seem so fake. As it is seen
in the trailer B.>>

I don't think that's so great. Seems like a cop-out to me.

<< But again it's nothing really new, as there is no Orang on the face of the
earth that looks like the ones in the Original? Orangs don't look like Dr.
Zaius, they look very different from what was presented in the original. >>

That's another question! Are there any female orangs? What about female
gorillas?
Buton is know for making "other world" But what does it say about his
attention to mise-en-scene When the only female apes in his entire "world"
are of one race, and look like fashion models? Perhaps I over analyze films
and that's why I became a film student, but I love movies I can get lost in
and forget all that! I hope this is one.

In a message dated 6/16/01 2:58:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< As for all the female apes we've seen looking like Ari? Don't forget that
we haven't seen the film, >>

Hey, you've got a point there. In addition to the other females, where are
the monkeys? Remember the reports of gibbons, howlers and spider monkeys.
What happened to those?

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In a message dated 6/16/01 3:57:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< I'm serious now,can anyone explain to me how Alex was able to reply to
this
posting before I even received it?I've seen this many times before: >>

I too have seen many relpys before the post. Yahoo sux.

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<< Uhhh....Damn I've been explosed!
Must travel back to the future now! Damn it! >>

If you could achieve time travel a POTA news group member could make a post,
travel forward in time, read it, dislike his pose intensely, and travel back
in time to decide not to send it.

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Baker answers that in "Makeup Artist". The howler monkeys, the baboons, etc.
were his wild ideas when he was designing the makeup. But he decided
timewise they were up against the wall and should just stick to chimps,
orangs and gorillas. - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: F--- Ari


> In a message dated 6/16/01 2:58:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
> prophecysite@... writes:
>
> << As for all the female apes we've seen looking like Ari? Don't forget
that
> we haven't seen the film, >>
>
> Hey, you've got a point there. In addition to the other females, where
are
> the monkeys? Remember the reports of gibbons, howlers and spider monkeys.
> What happened to those?
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:48 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: F--- Ari

Baker answers that in "Makeup Artist". The howler monkeys, the baboons, etc.
were his wild ideas when he was designing the makeup. But he decided
timewise they were up against the wall and should just stick to chimps,
orangs and gorillas.                                        - - - - Jeff K.

 

Jeff where can I get this magazine?

At any local news stand? I've never seen it before and I would love to buy it.

 

Best,

Alex

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Jack Krueger wrote:

 Hey, Alex - - -  I don't know what the distribution is like for "Makeup Artist" magazine. I got it here at a news stand but of course the film industry is here. Maybe Brian knows.  The article is about 19 pages long. Lots of photos, nice sized too since it's makeup artists that "make up" it's audience. Good pics of the principals (best photo I've seen of Ari, looks like Leo is holding her hostage).There's also good pics of Heston (we learn he refused to wear the simian teeth, so his mouth kinda droops). There's even a picture of Baker in the makeup, though he admits his face is bad for it.   Baker says he was against Tim Roth being in the film because his nose was too big. But Burton chose the actor over the nose and Baker was glad he did. We also learn they got those shots of the apes running ahead of the horses by towing a conveyor belt!  I be interested to hear what Brian thought of the article.                                                                              - - - - Jeff K.
I'd like to know too!  The editor gaves us a whole pre-release stack of that issue after APEMANIA did a small favor for him last weekend, and like hot pizza eggrolls on a craft service table, they were all gone before I had a chance to pick one up!!!  Argh!  Guess I'll have to go buy one, now.

Brian

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.html Hey Gang,

Not one to toot my own horn (too much) but Ain't It Cool News has a link to the first teaser for our latest non-ape monster movie, "Jeepers Creepers".

Have a look if you like:

<http://www.apple.com/trailers/mgm/jeepers_creepers.html">  or
<http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=9327>  Look for the Jeepers Creepers link.
 

Let me know what you think...

Brian

 

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