--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 07/29/2001 5:39:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> williejoe@e... writes:
>
> << I agree with you 100%, Rory. This is a testement to "Apes" and

maybe to

> Burton, not to this movie. If it has "legs" than we can say Burton

found the

> pulse but I think it will do just well enough to warrant a sequel

(like

> "Tomb Raider") and then Fox will have to do a better job on the

next one,

> like it sounds like George Lucas is doing.
>
>

- -

> - - Jeff K. >>
>
> This weekend we can all be proud for the memory of Arthur Jacobs

and the APES

> films he made, but next weekend's grosses will say what the public

really

> thinks of this new movie.
>
> -- Rory

Well there's been alot of disapointments withs this years Summer
movies .

<<The only down side: Ari's makeup should have been made more realistic. And doing so, the part could still have been pulled off. (done very well)>>

I have to agree. I thought the whole idea behind giving her eyebrows to pretty her up was so Wahlberg's character would be attracted to her. Seems to me the only reason he gave her the time of day was to get out of town. But Lisa Marie's Nova character's makeup was even worse. She looked very unapelike. And she wasn't with the orangatan senator as a comment on mixed ape couples. They just didn't bother to do any other females. Pretty slipshod of Burton. But he's taking enough of a shalacking in the press and he knows it.

Apes tops the weekend box office with $69.6 mil.
Eat that JP III!

The one thing that I didn't really get . Now was Walberg ( Leo ) in
his feauter in the end but he changed it ? And are Ari and them part
of the past of that future ? Are is the future part of there past ?
I'm very confused with that part .

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.htmlIn a message dated 7/29/01 5:28:33 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I agree, they toned it down a bit to get the PG. But the original was G
and
it was more disturbing.

A lot has been said about the originals being rated G (with the exception of
the PG rated "Conquest"). While I would say "Escape" and "Battle" DO fit into
the G-rated catagory, I'd say the others don't. I mean look, the first has
violence,death,nudity, and "swearing". "Beneath" also has violence, I mean
look, they show Brent getting blown away for one thing (even shot in the
head), and I'm sure the Mutants removing their masks must have totally
freaked some kids out. And of course, "Conquest" has bloodshed all over
during the revolt, to name a thing or two...

What I'm getting at is this, yes, they were rated G, but if they were made
now, I'd bet they'd be at least be PG-13. I mean the movie rating standards
have changed quite a bit since they were made. Now most kids wouldn't even
bother seeing a G rated movie, it'd be "too childish". Back when they were
made, there were still "not rated" films being released to the public,(cheap
drive in films as an example). So you have to take into consider the
"standards" of the time when they were released. If they were made now, I'd
bet they'd have quite a different rating.

(If I remember correctly, when I seen the British release of the movie box
set on eBay,I think they had them rated as PG movies on their current video
release. And I know when the Disney channel aired the "movies" made from the
tv series, they rated them as TV-PG. So even though they weren't for
theatrical release now, there are some that rated them a little closer to
what I think they'd be rated if they were current films.)<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:

> P.S. More delayed posts coming in just like my first viewing of

apes, don't blame me, blame Yahoo KOO KOO.

What do you mean? Seems like most posts, including teh ones where
you say delayed posts are coming, are coming through fine. Did you
post these warnings of delayed posts before your delayed posts, or
are the posts you wrote first coming later, like Pericles?

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----- Original Message -----

From: docoffilm1@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:06 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the apes gets 4 stars in PHX Az paper

First, I just want to say that I am new here, but as all of you are, I am a
huge "POTA" fan.

this is what i am responding to:
The reviews were very positive great characters great eye candy that means a
sequal! I have not read one bad review usa today gave it high praise! this
means a good turn out and more apes merchandise! Everyone check your local
papers and let us know what the reviews are in your neck of the woods
~~~~~~`
Okay, I have read many bad reviews on the new MONKEY.....oh wait,,I do not
want to offend the apes....I mean APE film.  I cannot blame the media on
this.  This film has gone through so many changes since it started.  It was a
Cameron film.  It was an Oliver Stone film.  Even Arnold Schwarzeneger was
going to play Taylor at one time.  The Promotions and marketing for this film
have been outstanding.  It is no wonder that this is a highly anticpated
film.  The studios were worried, so they pushed the production up the film.  
It was not going to be released until Christmas, but I guess film executives
smelled blood of bad box office hits.  This changed had Burton and staff in
the studio fixing things up to this past Monday..This is no joke.  

Anyway, like other films with such high anticipation, it comes with a huge
price tag.  Critics are going to over analyze this film.   USA Today is the
only positive review that I have seen.  Ebert talked of how the plot holes
and the dead acting between relationships drove this from a four star rating.
The Miami Herald said it was less then stellar. (by the way check all reviews
on CHECKTHEGRID.com)

I think that it will make lots of money, but I was sad that Burton was not
more Burton-like and Walhberg did not show more expression.  I would have
also liked more emphasis on the emotions by the humans.  I mean where is the
LOve and Compassion?

Anyway, saying all that, I still loved this film.  It had some good twists,
and the score was interesting.  I still prefer the Jerry Goldsmith original,
but you should not compare the two films.  The apes looked terrific, and APE
city is fun.

I will see it again, but if this does not make over 200 million, we will see
no sequal, so I want it to kill at the box office

this is ol'blue eyes saying
thanks

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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It might be the summers blockbuster and it was an entertaining movie
but no way is it better than the original for a lot of reasons. I
won't say why as I don't want to spoil it for those who have not seen
it.

"BETTER than the original" ------- NOT!

Andy

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
> Richard Roeper, Roger Ebert's cohort on their TV show, says the
new "Apes" is the best blockbuster of the summer and is even BETTER
than the original. You can bet his review will be on ads. He's an
influencial critic because of his pulpit.
>
>
- - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: docoffilm1@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the apes gets 4 stars in PHX Az
paper
>
>
> First, I just want to say that I am new here, but as all of you
are, I am a
> huge "POTA" fan.
>
> this is what i am responding to:
> The reviews were very positive great characters great eye candy
that means a
> sequal! I have not read one bad review usa today gave it high
praise! this
> means a good turn out and more apes merchandise! Everyone check
your local
> papers and let us know what the reviews are in your neck of the
woods
> ~~~~~~`
> Okay, I have read many bad reviews on the new MONKEY.....oh
wait,,I do not
> want to offend the apes....I mean APE film. I cannot blame the
media on
> this. This film has gone through so many changes since it
started. It was a
> Cameron film. It was an Oliver Stone film. Even Arnold
Schwarzeneger was
> going to play Taylor at one time. The Promotions and marketing
for this film
> have been outstanding. It is no wonder that this is a highly
anticpated
> film. The studios were worried, so they pushed the production up
the film.
> It was not going to be released until Christmas, but I guess film
executives
> smelled blood of bad box office hits. This changed had Burton
and staff in
> the studio fixing things up to this past Monday..This is no
joke.
>
> Anyway, like other films with such high anticipation, it comes
with a huge
> price tag. Critics are going to over analyze this film. USA
Today is the
> only positive review that I have seen. Ebert talked of how the
plot holes
> and the dead acting between relationships drove this from a four
star rating.
> The Miami Herald said it was less then stellar. (by the way check
all reviews
> on CHECKTHEGRID.com)
>
> I think that it will make lots of money, but I was sad that
Burton was not
> more Burton-like and Walhberg did not show more expression. I
would have
> also liked more emphasis on the emotions by the humans. I mean
where is the
> LOve and Compassion?
>
> Anyway, saying all that, I still loved this film. It had some
good twists,
> and the score was interesting. I still prefer the Jerry
Goldsmith original,
> but you should not compare the two films. The apes looked
terrific, and APE
> city is fun.
>
> I will see it again, but if this does not make over 200 million,
we will see
> no sequal, so I want it to kill at the box office
>
> this is ol'blue eyes saying
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

I'de have to agree . This dosn't beat the origonal.I loved it .But
no way .

--- In pota@y..., andygarringer@a... wrote:
> It might be the summers blockbuster and it was an entertaining
movie
> but no way is it better than the original for a lot of reasons. I
> won't say why as I don't want to spoil it for those who have not
seen
> it.
>
> "BETTER than the original" ------- NOT!
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
> > Richard Roeper, Roger Ebert's cohort on their TV show, says the
> new "Apes" is the best blockbuster of the summer and is even BETTER
> than the original. You can bet his review will be on ads. He's an
> influencial critic because of his pulpit.
> >
>
>
> - - - - Jeff K.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: docoffilm1@a...
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the apes gets 4 stars in PHX Az
> paper
> >
> >
> > First, I just want to say that I am new here, but as all of you
> are, I am a
> > huge "POTA" fan.
> >
> > this is what i am responding to:
> > The reviews were very positive great characters great eye candy
> that means a
> > sequal! I have not read one bad review usa today gave it high
> praise! this
> > means a good turn out and more apes merchandise! Everyone check
> your local
> > papers and let us know what the reviews are in your neck of the
> woods
> > ~~~~~~`
> > Okay, I have read many bad reviews on the new MONKEY.....oh
> wait,,I do not
> > want to offend the apes....I mean APE film. I cannot blame the
> media on
> > this. This film has gone through so many changes since it
> started. It was a
> > Cameron film. It was an Oliver Stone film. Even Arnold
> Schwarzeneger was
> > going to play Taylor at one time. The Promotions and marketing
> for this film
> > have been outstanding. It is no wonder that this is a highly
> anticpated
> > film. The studios were worried, so they pushed the production
up
> the film.
> > It was not going to be released until Christmas, but I guess
film
> executives
> > smelled blood of bad box office hits. This changed had Burton
> and staff in
> > the studio fixing things up to this past Monday..This is no
> joke.
> >
> > Anyway, like other films with such high anticipation, it comes
> with a huge
> > price tag. Critics are going to over analyze this film. USA
> Today is the
> > only positive review that I have seen. Ebert talked of how the
> plot holes
> > and the dead acting between relationships drove this from a
four
> star rating.
> > The Miami Herald said it was less then stellar. (by the way
check
> all reviews
> > on CHECKTHEGRID.com)
> >
> > I think that it will make lots of money, but I was sad that
> Burton was not
> > more Burton-like and Walhberg did not show more expression. I
> would have
> > also liked more emphasis on the emotions by the humans. I mean
> where is the
> > LOve and Compassion?
> >
> > Anyway, saying all that, I still loved this film. It had some
> good twists,
> > and the score was interesting. I still prefer the Jerry
> Goldsmith original,
> > but you should not compare the two films. The apes looked
> terrific, and APE
> > city is fun.
> >
> > I will see it again, but if this does not make over 200
million,
> we will see
> > no sequal, so I want it to kill at the box office
> >
> > this is ol'blue eyes saying
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.

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http://mrshowbiz.go.com/news/2001/7/boxoffice072901.html"


I really liked the second sentence of the first paragraph. Summed it up
rather nicely I think.


Chris L.
____

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.htmlI read this article and I understand why they wrote what they did, however
the story has been done to death.  This is just one person't interpation of
it.  I do not think it takes away anything from the original. As the original
took away nothing from the novel.
I think Burton offered a few new things to be explored.  Beastilality for one.

I will save that for another post<.html

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

>
> Well guys my greatest fear is now coming to pass.

Mine came to pass on Friday.

Thank you, goodnight!

The Queensland Sunday Mail newspaper featured an article on one of the
biggest Aussie POTA collector / fans.

' Dean Freeze has gone ape,struck by POTA fever. Symptons include
collecting anything and everything to do with the 60's cult
film,memorising passages from the script and claiming it's the " best
movie of all time".

Despite not even being born in 1968,Mr. Freeze lives,sleeps and
breathes the sci-fi classic. Visitors to his Gold Coast home are hard
pressed to find a seat among his 300 ape memorabilia items. Key
rings,bottle tops,comics,t shirts ; if it has an apes theme,you can
bet he has it. "I first saw the original when I was 15 and was
hooked. Something about it really affected me,the whole human / ape
role reversal on this new planet was revolutionary at the time. It's
more than just a sci-fi film,it had morals and was very well written".

It has taken him 5 years to collect $20 000 worth of memorabilia
through the net and in second hand stores. The new POTA film opens
next week and Mr. Freeze "isn't quite sure what to expect.
Hopefully,it will be as good as the original". '

Wow, haven't posted in months,

I just check the posts occasionally on the web, I don't get e-
mails anymore, it became to much for me a few months back. I saw the
movie on Saturday, I thought it was good, but not great. Much better
than I expected, but as most people on the list seem to feel, doesn't
hold a candel to the original. I guess I'm ritarded, but who the
hell did Linda Harrison play, I must've completely missed her cameo!
Can anyone fill me in without spoiling anything?




Ross




P.S. No Alex.... ur site is the best! It's my fav POTA site out
there, by far! I still go to it once every other day or so, don't
get rid of it? You have to pay more for more hits? That sux!



P.P.S. I just got my conquest/battle cd from FSM, don't know if you
guys talked about it much, but I was quite impressed.

.htmlIn a message dated 7/29/01 8:38:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Richard Roeper, Roger Ebert's cohort on their TV show, says the new "Apes"
is the best blockbuster of the summer and is even BETTER than the original.

There will be pigs flying out of a frozen hell when this, or any movie, is
better than Planet of the Apes. That boy needs a reality check. Sure he is
entitled to his opinion, but I can tell he's no fan of the real deal if he's
saying that. I mean even those of you in the group that did like it will say
its no Planet.

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No defense intended - I have not seen the movie and I am neither defending
it nor am I praising it. I just hope if you continually get poor food you
may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
ass back
> to University and write a better script

Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
know when I'm eating bad food . . .

Rory

I think you should alert us to sarcasm AND spoilers!!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: CrystalRoses16@... [CrystalRoses16@...]
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2001 8:31
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Heston's scean, and the movie in general * Spoliers *

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 07/29/2001 5:53:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> williejoe@e... writes:
>
> << I agree, they toned it down a bit to get the PG. But the
original was G and
> it was more disturbing. I guess we give kids less credit these
days. >>
>
> Well, maybe the DVD will be "the director's cut" or at least have
deleted
> scenes.
> Boy! Next to watching "Battle" again I can't wait for that!!
>
> -- Rory


Yah the DVD will be cool .

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Okay, I will be there for sure this time!

Loc



In a message dated 7/29/01 12:56:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< Ok, there will be an APES chat in the AOL chatrooms on Monday night @ 7:30
/
8:30 eastern time It will be a "private chat" so look for it in the "private
chats". The name of the room will of course be Planet of the Apes, so type
that in when you need to, and it will bring you to the room. >>

Hey guys! I had a chat going on AOL last night and for the first time since
I've ever made a POTA chat we had like 8 or 9 people in there all night! It
was great! The film has generated new interest in the films for sure! But
over and over all night people were asking what the ending meant. My first
take on it while seeing was that it was a wonderful ending since it was so
close to the ending in the novel. The novel never explains why there is a
gorilla soldier there in Paris. I was even half expecting something like that
to happen at the end of the movie. Mark's face when he looked at the Thade
memorial statue was classic and just like the face Heston wore when he looked
at the Statue of Liberty. But the question that kept coming up in the POTA
chat last night was "what does the ending mean"? My take on it after seeing
it was that it was simply earth only in an alternate reality like the way
that show Slider's was. They had many different realities "same earth only a
different dimmension". Then someone brought to my attention of how did Thade
get there? So, I thought about it and Thade could have gotten a pod from
somewhere (that part I'm not clear on) and gone to earth about 200 years in
the past and conquered the planet. That's my new theory. I know lots of you
hate the film but everyone has to have an opinion on what the ending meant.
So what do you guys think?

Loc

--- In pota@y..., locutusatwolf359@a... wrote:

> it was that it was simply earth only in an alternate reality like

the way

> that show Slider's was. They had many different realities "same

earth only a

> different dimmension".

me:

yes this is what I thought as well. Parallel universe or something.
After some time to process, though the movie had lots of problems I
still really enjoyed it. I told the Heston cameo to lots of people
and they thought it was hillarious, as I did. Ari's make up sucked!

and man those TV Guides went really quickly in Columbus, OH. I
managed to get copy of one w/Thade on the cover. I want one w/Attar!

In a message dated 7/30/01 1:32:49 AM, mlccougar@... writes:

<< There will be pigs flying out of a frozen hell when this, or any movie, is
better than Planet of the Apes. That boy needs a reality check. Sure he is
entitled to his opinion, but I can tell he's no fan of the real deal if he's
saying that. I mean even those of you in the group that did like it will say
its no Planet. >>

Mike,

While I agree with what your saying I don't think you can say it because you
haven't (and won't see) the new film.

I liked the movie. Going in I knew that it could never top the original. It
didn't. But if it did, I would be the first to admit it.

Still, Roeper is entitled to his opinion. That is what he is paid for. He
doesn't have to say or write things to please the legion of POTA fans. He
doesn't have to be a POTA fan to have credibility as a film critic.

Matt

PS While POTA is quite possibly my favorite movie of all time, I don't think
it is anywhere near the best movie of all time. Favorite and best are two
different things.

In a message dated 7/30/01 9:27:15 AM, danpiercy@... writes:

<< and man those TV Guides went really quickly in Columbus, OH. I
managed to get copy of one w/Thade on the cover. I want one w/Attar! >>

I don't think they made one with Attar. I think there were only four and the
ones I saw were Thade, Ari, Leo and Daenna.

Matt

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.html Sorry to hear that Al.  Are you sure there isn't something you can do?  I know your pain.  We get hit a great deal more than our plan covers as well.  Dang POTA fans!  Hang in there!  We hate to see you leave.  Your site is grand!

Brian Penikas
Apemania.com

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 Well guys my greatest fear is now coming to pass.I may have to shut down the web site. The site is now getting over 100 thousand hits a day and growing. DIRECTORY ACCESSES
-----------------------------------------
143047 /Right now it's up 143 thousand just today and my Bandwidth coast is going to be huge this month. If this continues I may have to shut down perminately. Either that or I have to scale down the site in a HUGE way.If I had Fox's support I wouldn't have to go through this, but it seems I have too. Never the less the goal was met, POTA is a success and apes are back. But the success has it's down side as well and it's too much for my walet to bare so in a way it does have it's double edged sword for me. Sorry gang but I have no other choice.All the best and Go apes.. :o( Take Care.Alex 
 
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Don't read this if you thought the movie was great! I didn't.

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Well...out of possible 10's..

Story. 4/10
Visuals 8/10
Characters (on the whole) 6/10

Walberg was not a good choice for lead. I was for the most part annoyed by
his character's "I'm a tough guy." act. He seemed removed from the reality
of what was going on around him. I mean, the guy landed on a planet of
intelligent, cultered, yet human-intolerant apes. But he did not convince me
that he was all that disconcerted by this turn of events. Sort of: "Oh hell!
- another weird mission!"
Visuals were wonderful, but had Tim Burton written all over them.
I have to say I didn't see anything that I didn't expect to see. And that's
not always a positive thing for a directors audience. In other words - same
ol' same ol' from Burton.
Another failing of Burton (or the folks he works with) is there are few
surprises.
(Remember Sleepy Hollow? We are shown almost right away who the headless
horseman is!!! So the rest of the movie is just taking us through the
motions of hunting him down. This is not the way to keep your audience in an
emotional "grip".)

Here the "surprise ending" which was hardly surprising. As soon as we know
that Leo's heading back to his earth, we KNOW something's going to go arwy.
So we see earth and - presto - it's not the same earth. (by the simple fact
that Burton allows us to see Leo crash land again and in Washington - come
on, we knew what was going to happen, didn't we?).

Suspense is the life blood of a movie (that and an excellent script). Here,
we had neither.
The in-you-face humorous references to the original were terribly un-funny,
and served to douse moments that otherwise could have been far more
powerful.
Heston's "Damn them all to hell." Puh-leeeze!
Attar's "get your damn dirty hands of me....etc" was, again, expected and
therfore evoked little reaction.
I think a good, sound beating on Leo from Attar would have have at least
been more frightening.

No, this is not the original movie nor a remake. Just a "re-imagining." But
with, unfortunately, the imagination applied to the set and not the
characters or script.

JVB

_____

--- In pota@y..., "j vb" <boiledkelp@h...> wrote:

> The in-you-face humorous references to the original were terribly

un-funny,

> and served to douse moments that otherwise could have been far more
> powerful.
> Heston's "Damn them all to hell." Puh-leeeze!
> Attar's "get your damn dirty hands of me....etc" was, again,

expected and

> therfore evoked little reaction.

me:

I thought the Heston bit was hillarious! When Attar said, "get your
hands off me..." this made me CRINGE - very, very, not funny.

>I thought the Heston bit was hillarious!

Yeah, but do you think it was supposed to be? The music and direction
suggested otherwise.

_____

>I just hope if you continually get poor food you
>may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.

Cooking is one thing, but to suggest that our natural response to crap films
should be for us to go out and make our own? Not terribly realistic.

Thousands of scripts are generated in the industry every year. Is it too
much to ask that the 100 or so actually made into mainstream, large budget
films represent the best of the best? Even if you do "go out and sell your
own screenplay", it will have at least three other writers thrown onto it
before it's produced with an eye toward getting it NOW, rather than getting
it RIGHT, if the Apes rehash is any indication.

But hey, they got the toys out on time - that's what counts, right?

>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
>Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
>
>--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> > I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
>ass back
> > to University and write a better script
>
>Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
>know when I'm eating bad food . . .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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>
> of what was going on around him. I mean, the guy landed on a planet

of

> intelligent, cultered, yet human-intolerant apes. But he did not

convince me

> that he was all that disconcerted by this turn of events. Sort

of: "Oh hell!

> - another weird mission!"

I agree with you on this point. Burton focused intensly on the apes,
and left us to wonder about the humans and their personalities...

> Here the "surprise ending" which was hardly surprising. As soon as

we know

> that Leo's heading back to his earth, we KNOW something's going to

go arwy.

> So we see earth and - presto - it's not the same earth. (by the

simple fact

> that Burton allows us to see Leo crash land again and in

Washington - come

> on, we knew what was going to happen, didn't we?).

What would you have them do then? I mean think about it. you could
just leave mary mark on the planet and end it that way, or send him
back to earth to find something changed. While I don't really want a
sequel, the ability for one is set up with this ending and, IMHO,
believe this ending works, and you really don't know EXACTLY what has
changed, and I think the key is HOW did it change,not so much that
you knew it was going to be different...but whatever...

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.htmlThe apes Mtv special was on in the morning 8:00 am on sunday ,no mention in
tv guide! Bryan<.html

Obviously Thade got back to Earth. How? I assume in Leo's pod that's in the
swamp. Why? They specifically show that the apes know it's there. It's more
plausible than the excuse for "Escape", though only slightly. Is it earth?
If not, it's a big cheat. Is it another dimension. I try not to bring that
in, so I'd say it's our earth. Leo's chronometer is cut away from in the
2100's. So Thade could've got there in Leo's ship arrived much earlier (that
purple mist doesn't seem to differentiate who left first) and he led the
apes to take over. It's "Back to the Future" with Thade as Biff and Leo as a
befuddled Michael J. Fox. - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <locutusatwolf359@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:24 AM
Subject: [pota] What do you think of the ending? (Major Spoilers)


> Hey guys! I had a chat going on AOL last night and for the first time
since
> I've ever made a POTA chat we had like 8 or 9 people in there all night!
It
> was great! The film has generated new interest in the films for sure! But
> over and over all night people were asking what the ending meant. My first
> take on it while seeing was that it was a wonderful ending since it was so
> close to the ending in the novel. The novel never explains why there is a
> gorilla soldier there in Paris. I was even half expecting something like
that
> to happen at the end of the movie. Mark's face when he looked at the Thade
> memorial statue was classic and just like the face Heston wore when he
looked
> at the Statue of Liberty. But the question that kept coming up in the POTA
> chat last night was "what does the ending mean"? My take on it after
seeing
> it was that it was simply earth only in an alternate reality like the way
> that show Slider's was. They had many different realities "same earth only
a
> different dimmension". Then someone brought to my attention of how did
Thade
> get there? So, I thought about it and Thade could have gotten a pod from
> somewhere (that part I'm not clear on) and gone to earth about 200 years
in
> the past and conquered the planet. That's my new theory. I know lots of
you
> hate the film but everyone has to have an opinion on what the ending
meant.
> So what do you guys think?
>
> Loc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down

Sorry to hear that Al.  Are you sure there isn't something you can do?  I know your pain.  We get hit a great deal more than our plan covers as well.  Dang POTA fans!  Hang in there!  We hate to see you leave.  Your site is grand!

Brian Penikas
Apemania.com

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 Well guys my greatest fear is now coming to pass.I may have to shut down the web site. The site is now getting over 100 thousand hits a day and growing. DIRECTORY ACCESSES
-----------------------------------------
143047 /Right now it's up 143 thousand just today and my Bandwidth coast is going to be huge this month. If this continues I may have to shut down perminately. Either that or I have to scale down the site in a HUGE way.If I had Fox's support I wouldn't have to go through this, but it seems I have too. Never the less the goal was met, POTA is a success and apes are back. But the success has it's down side as well and it's too much for my walet to bare so in a way it does have it's double edged sword for me. Sorry gang but I have no other choice.All the best and Go apes.. :o( Take Care.Alex 
 

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This is very much worth reading.

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That would work . Now hophely it is Earth . Woldn't that mean that
Thade and them are the anscters of the planet ?That would make sence .

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
> Obviously Thade got back to Earth. How? I assume in Leo's pod
that's in the
> swamp. Why? They specifically show that the apes know it's there.
It's more
> plausible than the excuse for "Escape", though only slightly. Is it
earth?
> If not, it's a big cheat. Is it another dimension. I try not to
bring that
> in, so I'd say it's our earth. Leo's chronometer is cut away from
in the
> 2100's. So Thade could've got there in Leo's ship arrived much
earlier (that
> purple mist doesn't seem to differentiate who left first) and he
led the
> apes to take over. It's "Back to the Future" with Thade as Biff and
Leo as a
> befuddled Michael J. Fox. - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <locutusatwolf359@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:24 AM
> Subject: [pota] What do you think of the ending? (Major Spoilers)
>
>
> > Hey guys! I had a chat going on AOL last night and for the first
time
> since
> > I've ever made a POTA chat we had like 8 or 9 people in there all
night!
> It
> > was great! The film has generated new interest in the films for
sure! But
> > over and over all night people were asking what the ending meant.
My first
> > take on it while seeing was that it was a wonderful ending since
it was so
> > close to the ending in the novel. The novel never explains why
there is a
> > gorilla soldier there in Paris. I was even half expecting
something like
> that
> > to happen at the end of the movie. Mark's face when he looked at
the Thade
> > memorial statue was classic and just like the face Heston wore
when he
> looked
> > at the Statue of Liberty. But the question that kept coming up in
the POTA
> > chat last night was "what does the ending mean"? My take on it
after
> seeing
> > it was that it was simply earth only in an alternate reality like
the way
> > that show Slider's was. They had many different realities "same
earth only
> a
> > different dimmension". Then someone brought to my attention of
how did
> Thade
> > get there? So, I thought about it and Thade could have gotten a
pod from
> > somewhere (that part I'm not clear on) and gone to earth about
200 years
> in
> > the past and conquered the planet. That's my new theory. I know
lots of
> you
> > hate the film but everyone has to have an opinion on what the
ending
> meant.
> > So what do you guys think?
> >
> > Loc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

Hey! If you don't like the toys, make your own.

- - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: No Spoilers


>
> >I just hope if you continually get poor food you
> >may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.
>
> Cooking is one thing, but to suggest that our natural response to crap
films
> should be for us to go out and make our own? Not terribly realistic.
>
> Thousands of scripts are generated in the industry every year. Is it too
> much to ask that the 100 or so actually made into mainstream, large budget
> films represent the best of the best? Even if you do "go out and sell
your
> own screenplay", it will have at least three other writers thrown onto it
> before it's produced with an eye toward getting it NOW, rather than
getting
> it RIGHT, if the Apes rehash is any indication.
>
> But hey, they got the toys out on time - that's what counts, right?
>
>
>
> >Michael
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
> >Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
> >
> >--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >
> > > I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
> >ass back
> > > to University and write a better script
> >
> >Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
> >know when I'm eating bad food . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _____

I went, I saw, I liked. 4pm show at the Ziegfeld on Saturday afternoon.
It was good, not great, and boy did it have problems. Erratic script,
especially towards the end. Wahlberg was a non-presence. Ditto Estella
Warren. HBC & MCD did fine. But Tim Roth saved this flick. Sure, it was a one
note performance, but sometimes that's enough. He was positively rabid! Still
not sure what happens with him at the end. And then The End. First thing that
came to mind was MAD magazine. At the end of the original, I get the feeling
that we're all doomed. At the end of this, I walked out with a smile on my
face thinking, "Well, that was a goof!" But I wasn't pissed off like some
people definitely will be. Oh well, let the POTAC vs. POTAR wars begin. Go
Apes, John

> Obviously Thade got back to Earth. How? I assume in Leo's pod that's in
>the
>swamp.

Good thing they spent so much effort explaining that apes are terrified of
the water . . .

_____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:37 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down

 Alex - - -

 

  Sorry to hear that. With all the crap we're fed these days it's a shame to see something good go down the tubes because it's TOO popular. I guess you'd probably get in trouble if you took on ads. Maybe Fox could help but I'd hate to see them turn you into a publicity machine.

 

                                                                   - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down

Sorry to hear that Al.  Are you sure there isn't something you can do?  I know your pain.  We get hit a great deal more than our plan covers as well.  Dang POTA fans!  Hang in there!  We hate to see you leave.  Your site is grand!

Brian Penikas
Apemania.com

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 Well guys my greatest fear is now coming to pass.I may have to shut down the web site. The site is now getting over 100 thousand hits a day and growing. DIRECTORY ACCESSES
-----------------------------------------
143047 /Right now it's up 143 thousand just today and my Bandwidth coast is going to be huge this month. If this continues I may have to shut down perminately. Either that or I have to scale down the site in a HUGE way.If I had Fox's support I wouldn't have to go through this, but it seems I have too. Never the less the goal was met, POTA is a success and apes are back. But the success has it's down side as well and it's too much for my walet to bare so in a way it does have it's double edged sword for me. Sorry gang but I have no other choice.All the best and Go apes.. :o( Take Care.Alex 
 

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--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:

> Well, it did make me think. I think the writers were lazy. And if

I'm supposed to make my own ending, does that mean I get a percentage
of my ticket price back? It's not a whole movie. And if the endings
supposed to be whatever I want than it failed because it wasn't what
I wanted.

me:

I'd have to agree with you and I'm disappointed, I'd hoped the
writers intended something. It's one thing to make the ending
ambiguous, but another to make it intentionally vague and illogical
w/the rest of the storyline. The new film really plays it safe in so
many ways. Still liked it though.

.htmlJeff,with that ending we need a sequal for this loose end,I saw it last night
and liked some of it and did not like some of it .Leo could have been more
caring and the humans were almost non existant Tim only focused on the
apes!The classic will remain the best!My daughter 15 loved the new Generation
apes movie more,but shes young and likes todays effects.I am going to see it
again, The more i see it maybe it will grow on me more to see the sequal that
will be a very good possibility. anyway Attar i wished did more in film.Thade
was talking in almost a whisper sometimes i could barly hear him,and was
surprised that Thade had the hots for Ari Daena and Leo could have evolved
more.Linda Harrison was just a flash my wife missed her completely! Maybe
after part 2 and 3 sequals the story may get better very much like back to
the Future Bryan<.html

The Fox rep went on to say, "Aren't you geeks the ones who made Episode 1
our only hit of 1999? Kiss my ass. And don't ask me where the horses came
from. See you at the sequel."

>From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] The corporate answer
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:29:57 -0700
>
>Movieheadlines.com has a quote from Bruce Snyder of Fox about the ending:
>
> " Actually, you're not supposed to be able to (explain it). If the truth
>be known, it wasn't really supposed to make sense. It was just supposed to
>go "whoa" , make you think. Now, is he in another world, did he go back in
>time, did he get forward in time? The reality is there's no firm answer to
>that. It's whatever you want it to be".
>
> Well, it did make me think. I think the writers were lazy. And if I'm
>supposed to make my own ending, does that mean I get a percentage of my
>ticket price back? It's not a whole movie. And if the endings supposed to
>be whatever I want than it failed because it wasn't what I wanted.
>
> Snyder adds: "you've got to remember you just watched a movie about
>talking monkeys in outer space. Don't look for too much logic".
>
> Yeah, yeah, I know he's a faceless corporate yes-man but that burned me
>up. They don't know dick about "Planet of the Apes" and why it's been
>popular. The box-office proved it's validity and now it can sink for all I
>care.
>
> - -
>- - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Krueger
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down
>
>
> Alex - - -
>
> Sorry to hear that. With all the crap we're fed these days it's a
>shame to see something good go down the tubes because it's TOO popular. I
>guess you'd probably get in trouble if you took on ads. Maybe Fox could
>help but I'd hate to see them turn you into a publicity machine.
>
> - - -
>- Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down
>
>
> Sorry to hear that Al. Are you sure there isn't something you can do?
> I know your pain. We get hit a great deal more than our plan covers as
>well. Dang POTA fans! Hang in there! We hate to see you leave. Your
>site is grand!
> Brian Penikas
> Apemania.com
>
> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
>
> Well guys my greatest fear is now coming to pass.I may have to shut
>down the web site. The site is now getting over 100 thousand hits a day and
>growing. DIRECTORY ACCESSES
> -----------------------------------------
> 143047 /Right now it's up 143 thousand just today and my Bandwidth
>coast is going to be huge this month. If this continues I may have to shut
>down perminately. Either that or I have to scale down the site in a HUGE
>way.If I had Fox's support I wouldn't have to go through this, but it seems
>I have too. Never the less the goal was met, POTA is a success and apes are
>back. But the success has it's down side as well and it's too much for my
>walet to bare so in a way it does have it's double edged sword for me.
>Sorry gang but I have no other choice.All the best and Go apes.. :o( Take
>Care.Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:09 PM

Subject: [pota] Hey Brian

Hey Brian.

I replied to you questions about the site, but as always it's been delayed.

I may have to let the site only be open during certain hours until I can relocate it to another sever with better prices.

 

I'll keep you posted.

Also a delayed post again with still a few more to come.

 

Best,
Al

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It's teh Behind doc, Jeff. They broke it into two parts.

>From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] New special?
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:18:06 -0700
>
>American Movie Classics is doing a 2 part "Apes" thing on their "Hollywood
>Lives and Legends" show. I don't know if it's just the "Behind the POTA"
>doc. Also, don't forget "Apes" week on "Biography" starting tonight.
>
> - - - -
>Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alexander Ruiz
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:09 PM
> Subject: [pota] Hey Brian
>
>
> Hey Brian.
> I replied to you questions about the site, but as always it's been
>delayed.
> I may have to let the site only be open during certain hours until I can
>relocate it to another sever with better prices.
>
> I'll keep you posted.
> Also a delayed post again with still a few more to come.
>
> Best,
> Al
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

_____

PS While POTA is quite possibly my favorite movie of all time, I don't think
it is anywhere near the best movie of all time. Favorite and best are two
different things.


I like these lines!!!!!

Michael

Realistic or not Phil, some people just sit around and criticize while
others actually take some action (whether or not this action makes an impact
at some point). My point is if you do not like it, do something about it.
Ring Fox and tell 'em it is crap, write an open letter to Burton and tell
him it is crap and why, offer him a better idea so he can screw the
producers next time around etc.

As for the toys, I saw them at my local store yesterday and they are $30
each or $50 for Attar on Steed! Limited movement and nowhere near the
detail I expected (who is Estella supposed to look like?). Thankfully, Alex
has bought me some from the States and I will not therefore pay so much. I
must say there will be a large letter/email/video tape (well, maybe not a
video) telling them the toys need work to justify their price tag (when
actually it is probably the Aussie economy that needs work to strengthen the
Aus$....another letter....).

Yeah you are right Phil - screw affirmative action - I just won't buy any
more toys and if the movie is crap I'll just complain about it to you
guys!!!

Another sad point - I think this movie will kick major ass at the box office
because Jo Average has not seen the original and will therefore like this
version (while those of us who have seen it already expect so much). So
quote me to say it will beat EVERYTHING this year for $s grossed (and no I
do not see this as a measure of the worth of a movie).

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2001 1:11
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: No Spoilers

>I just hope if you continually get poor food you
>may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.

Cooking is one thing, but to suggest that our natural response to crap films
should be for us to go out and make our own? Not terribly realistic.

Thousands of scripts are generated in the industry every year. Is it too
much to ask that the 100 or so actually made into mainstream, large budget
films represent the best of the best? Even if you do "go out and sell your
own screenplay", it will have at least three other writers thrown onto it
before it's produced with an eye toward getting it NOW, rather than getting
it RIGHT, if the Apes rehash is any indication.

But hey, they got the toys out on time - that's what counts, right?

>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
>Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
>
>--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> > I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
>ass back
> > to University and write a better script
>
>Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
>know when I'm eating bad food . . .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

_____

Jeff,

Didn't you read my email about sarcasm alerts?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2001 4:53
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: No Spoilers

Hey! If you don't like the toys, make your own.

- - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: No Spoilers


>
> >I just hope if you continually get poor food you
> >may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.
>
> Cooking is one thing, but to suggest that our natural response to crap
films
> should be for us to go out and make our own? Not terribly realistic.
>
> Thousands of scripts are generated in the industry every year. Is it too
> much to ask that the 100 or so actually made into mainstream, large budget
> films represent the best of the best? Even if you do "go out and sell
your
> own screenplay", it will have at least three other writers thrown onto it
> before it's produced with an eye toward getting it NOW, rather than
getting
> it RIGHT, if the Apes rehash is any indication.
>
> But hey, they got the toys out on time - that's what counts, right?
>
>
>
> >Michael
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
> >Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
> >
> >--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >
> > > I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
> >ass back
> > > to University and write a better script
> >
> >Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
> >know when I'm eating bad food . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:37 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down

 Alex - - -

 

  Sorry to hear that. With all the crap we're fed these days it's a shame to see something good go down the tubes because it's TOO popular. I guess you'd probably get in trouble if you took on ads. Maybe Fox could help but I'd hate to see them turn you into a publicity machine.

 

                                                                   - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] prophecysite.com shut down

Sorry to hear that Al.  Are you sure there isn't something you can do?  I know your pain.  We get hit a great deal more than our plan covers as well.  Dang POTA fans!  Hang in there!  We hate to see you leave.  Your site is grand!

Brian Penikas
Apemania.com

Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 Well guys my greatest fear is now coming to pass.I may have to shut down the web site. The site is now getting over 100 thousand hits a day and growing. DIRECTORY ACCESSES
-----------------------------------------
143047 /Right now it's up 143 thousand just today and my Bandwidth coast is going to be huge this month. If this continues I may have to shut down perminately. Either that or I have to scale down the site in a HUGE way.If I had Fox's support I wouldn't have to go through this, but it seems I have too. Never the less the goal was met, POTA is a success and apes are back. But the success has it's down side as well and it's too much for my walet to bare so in a way it does have it's double edged sword for me. Sorry gang but I have no other choice.All the best and Go apes.. :o( Take Care.Alex 
 
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As before, don't scroll down if you don't want to see . . .

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I had some problems with various parts of the prop. Which include:

1. I said it before, and Phil resounded it . . . I know where the human
population of humans came from and I know where the apes came from. But
where'd the damn horses come from?

(I guess we're not supposed to wonder about these things)

2. As per the recording that Leo listens to, the apes from the ship began to
run amok at some point in time after the crash landing. Okay, here's an
idea . . . . there were guns available. Did any of the smart scientists
ever thing to put any rogue monkeys down before it became a problem? Okay,
so the apes were getting smarter, but at what point did they become so smart
that the humans couldn't figure out it would be better to just kill or be
killed?

Okay, so once the apes killed off a bunch of the scientists and a few
remaining scientists scattered . ..
3. Why is it that the apes continued to create a culture and expanded their
knowledge of art and science and metalurgy while humans apparently gave up
the idea of being in control and decided to go back to using sharp sticks
for a couple thousand years. They still had use of their mental faculties
and were able to communicate (unlike in the original). And yet with that
advantage, they still rolled over and let apes take control?

And this is just something that bothered me, not really a plot hole or
anything, but . . .

In the new version I realized that they tried to express how brutal the apes
were by having them toss and bash the humans around every few minutes.
However, while the original had a little of that physical brutality, there
were also psychologically disturbing details in there as well . . .
experimental brain surgery, lobotomies, demasculization, using humands for
target practice.

It seems to me that some of these things that weren't acutally shown were
actually more disturbing to just think about. Sometimes it's what you don't
see that's disturbing. After tossing humans forty feet for about the fifth
time, I think I became de-sensitised.

Well, just a few more beefs I guess, which are just in addition to my
general observations. BTW, I haven't talked to anyone in person that has
liked it. Everybody at work who had seen it had nothing but generally bad
things to say, as was the case of the people leaving the theater after the
showing I saw. The only things I and my friends couldn't agree on were
which were the WORST parts.

Here's to hoping they make a better attempt at a remake in 2030 :)

<< Well, maybe the DVD will be "the director's cut" or at least have deleted
scenes.
Boy! Next to watching "Battle" again I can't wait for that!! >>

Tim Burton doesn't believe in directors cuts, remember? I sure hope this
film changes his mind about that. It could certainly use some editing. If
it doesn't I'll be making my own "directors cut" when I get the vid.

This series could be saved. First off by having Tim Roth pry open Wahlberg's
character's mouth and putting a soul in there! To quote Roger Ebert, "He's
has Estella Warren and Helena Bonham-Carter and all he wants to do is get in
his pod and blast off to who knows where. If I were him I'd stay on that
planet because I think he has better chances there." Too right. The only
thing I really disagree with is Mr. Eberts suggestion that Clooney would have
given the role more presence. That may be, but I think if George Clooney
were reading those lines he might have come off even more surly than
Wahlberg. Then that can all the lines of homage, at least to a bear minimum.
And put an ape animal psychologist in charge of Leo now that he's back on
Earth, played by Kim Hunter, if she'll do another Ape movie. I'm certainly
not going to suggest it until they can get someone on them that can write.

Attachments :

.htmlI think all of you should find what Fouts has to say here interesting,
especially Jeff Krueger.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/01 2:36:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Obviously Thade got back to Earth. How? I assume in Leo's pod that's in the
swamp. Why? They specifically show that the apes know it's there. It's more
plausible than the excuse for "Escape", though only slightly. Is it earth?
If not, it's a big cheat. Is it another dimension. I try not to bring that
in, so I'd say it's our earth. Leo's chronometer is cut away from in the
2100's. So Thade could've got there in Leo's ship arrived much earlier (that
purple mist doesn't seem to differentiate who left first) and he led the
apes to take over. It's "Back to the Future" with Thade as Biff and Leo as a
befuddled Michael J. Fox.                         - - - - Jeff K.

How do we know that the Thade shown at the end of the film is the living
Thade in the rest of the movie?  If the Oberon space station had genetically
enhanced apes on it, why wouldn't there be some, or perhaps even more, on
earth.  AND, why wouldn't what happened on the space station with the apes
revolting not concurrently happened on earth (just as Boulle supposed in his
novel)?

Think about it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/01 3:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Movieheadlines.com has a quote from Bruce Snyder of Fox about the ending:

" Actually, you're not supposed to be able to (explain it). If the truth
be known, it wasn't really supposed to make sense. It was just supposed to
go "whoa" , make you think. Now, is he in another world, did he go back in
time, did he get forward in time? The reality is there's no firm answer to
that. It's whatever you want it to be".

Well, it did make me think. I think the writers were lazy. And if I'm
supposed to make my own ending, does that mean I get a percentage of my
ticket price back? It's not a whole movie. And if the endings supposed to
be whatever I want than it failed because it wasn't what I wanted.

Snyder adds: "you've got to remember you just watched a movie about
talking monkeys in outer space. Don't look for too much logic".

Yeah, yeah, I know he's a faceless corporate yes-man but that burned me
up. They don't know dick about "Planet of the Apes" and why it's been
popular. The box-office proved it's validity and now it can sink for all I
care.

                                                                      - -
- - Jeff K.



As I said before, "GOD DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!"   It's so obvious from this
new 're-imagining' that the filmmakers DON'T know dick about how to make an
Apes picture, and frankly I don't know how they recover from the debacle of
just tagging on a half-assed version of Boulle's ending.

I really don't want to ruin it for those of you who liked this movie, but I
see plainly that the modern Fox -- with the unbeliavable complicity of  Dick
Zanuck -- have reduced the APES concept to a ridiculous joke.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/01 3:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

. At the end of this, I walked out with a smile on my
face  

John,

I walked out looking like Aldo did when he climbed that tree trying to get
away from Caesar.

The Fox has killed Apes!   The Fox has killed Apes!   The Fox has killed Apes!

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:08 PM

Subject: [pota] Fwd: [GAPNews] Roger Fouts on Planet of the Apes and current problems

I think all of you should find what Fouts has to say here interesting,
especially Jeff Krueger.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:14 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Major spoiler: my take on the ending (for those who've seen it)

In a message dated 7/30/01 2:36:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Obviously Thade got back to Earth. How? I assume in Leo's pod that's in the
swamp. Why? They specifically show that the apes know it's there. It's more
plausible than the excuse for "Escape", though only slightly. Is it earth?
If not, it's a big cheat. Is it another dimension. I try not to bring that
in, so I'd say it's our earth. Leo's chronometer is cut away from in the
2100's. So Thade could've got there in Leo's ship arrived much earlier (that
purple mist doesn't seem to differentiate who left first) and he led the
apes to take over. It's "Back to the Future" with Thade as Biff and Leo as a
befuddled Michael J. Fox.                         - - - - Jeff K.

How do we know that the Thade shown at the end of the film is the living
Thade in the rest of the movie?  If the Oberon space station had genetically
enhanced apes on it, why wouldn't there be some, or perhaps even more, on
earth.  AND, why wouldn't what happened on the space station with the apes
revolting not concurrently happened on earth (just as Boulle supposed in his
novel)?

Think about it.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Yeah, I don't know how that put those movies in the same class as Mary
Poppins. Lets just look at the first few. Planet: bare-assed stuff, throat
shooting, killing left right & center. Beneath: maiming, face pulling off,
killing left, right & center and blowing up the whole world. Escape:
strangulation, dinner tray fu, killing including a mother and child. Not
exactly The Gnome-Mobile. They should have been at least PG or as they were
called back then GP.

In a message dated 7/29/01 5:15:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
CrystalRoses16@... writes:

<< Okay that makes since . So weres Doc Brown when you need him? >>

I hate to get on you about this Crystal,
but could you please spell check your posts. This should read . . .
Okay, that makes sense. So, where's Doc Brown when you need him?

Does anyone know if the Ape Lincoln was Thade or just some other ape?
I thought he was trapped in the ship. Sees like we won't know what happened
until the sequel.

I dissagree Matt,
I think you should see the new film.
If only to have an opinion one way or the other and to support all things Ape.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/29/01 5:15:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
> CrystalRoses16@a... writes:
>
> << Okay that makes since . So weres Doc Brown when you need him? >>
>
> I hate to get on you about this Crystal,
> but could you please spell check your posts. This should read . . .
> Okay, that makes sense. So, where's Doc Brown when you need him?

This is a messege board ! People havn't said anything about it
before .Okay so I'm not good at spelling .Big deal . Tell me
something you're not good at !

The inscription on the monument said Thade.

- - - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:16 PM
Subject: [pota] What do you think of the ending?(Major Spoilers)


>
> Does anyone know if the Ape Lincoln was Thade or just some other ape?
> I thought he was trapped in the ship. Sees like we won't know what
happened
> until the sequel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 7/30/01 8:22:58 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I dissagree Matt,
I think you should see the new film.
If only to have an opinion one way or the other and to support all things
Ape. >>

I'm confused Lord. Was this directed at me? I did see the new film.

Matt

Hey! So far it's just me and MLCCOUGAR chatting on AOL so if you are on and
want to chat come on it. It's in private chat "Planet of the Apes". We were
talking and plan on next week setting up a room on yahoo that way the whole
list can join us. Let me know who wants to come by responding to this email.
If you do you might need to sign up for yahoo. We'll probably have it next
Monday at 8:30 eastern 7:30 central. If some of you respond and want to come
I'll send out exact directions on how to get to the chat. The directions are
kind of long so just print them out and they will take you right to the chat.
Respond and let me know!

Loc

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Brian

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Michael-

I really think you will be singing a different tune once you see this
thing (unless you've already decided you'll like it) . . .

Michael Whitty wrote:

>
> Realistic or not Phil, some people just sit around and criticize while
> others actually take some action (whether or not this action makes an impact
> at some point). My point is if you do not like it, do something about it.
> Ring Fox and tell 'em it is crap, write an open letter to Burton and tell
> him it is crap and why, offer him a better idea so he can screw the
> producers next time around etc.
>
> As for the toys, I saw them at my local store yesterday and they are $30
> each or $50 for Attar on Steed! Limited movement and nowhere near the
> detail I expected (who is Estella supposed to look like?). Thankfully, Alex
> has bought me some from the States and I will not therefore pay so much. I
> must say there will be a large letter/email/video tape (well, maybe not a
> video) telling them the toys need work to justify their price tag (when
> actually it is probably the Aussie economy that needs work to strengthen the
> Aus$....another letter....).
>
> Yeah you are right Phil - screw affirmative action - I just won't buy any
> more toys and if the movie is crap I'll just complain about it to you
> guys!!!
>
> Another sad point - I think this movie will kick major ass at the box office
> because Jo Average has not seen the original and will therefore like this
> version (while those of us who have seen it already expect so much). So
> quote me to say it will beat EVERYTHING this year for $s grossed (and no I
> do not see this as a measure of the worth of a movie).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2001 1:11
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
>
> >I just hope if you continually get poor food you
> >may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.
>
> Cooking is one thing, but to suggest that our natural response to crap films
> should be for us to go out and make our own? Not terribly realistic.
>
> Thousands of scripts are generated in the industry every year. Is it too
> much to ask that the 100 or so actually made into mainstream, large budget
> films represent the best of the best? Even if you do "go out and sell your
> own screenplay", it will have at least three other writers thrown onto it
> before it's produced with an eye toward getting it NOW, rather than getting
> it RIGHT, if the Apes rehash is any indication.
>
> But hey, they got the toys out on time - that's what counts, right?
>
> >Michael
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
> >Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
> >
> >--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >
> > > I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
> >ass back
> > > to University and write a better script
> >
> >Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
> >know when I'm eating bad food . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _____

I like the response that's in the lead :p

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:24 PM
Subject: [pota] Cinescape poll


> http://www.cinescape.com/0/poll.asp?aff_id=0&action=page&obj_id=270509
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

i'm new to this group! i just watched the new planet of the apes movie
today it was awesome! i had a question at the end... that statue of the
ape... was that the bad ape???? i can't remember what his name was! and
what did it say on the statue? Staci

So no one has answered my Linda Harrison question, where the hell was
she in the film!? Is this a secret or something? I'd love to chat
in a yahoo room, I can't get in the AOL one's considering I don't
have AOL.









Warning, Spoilers coming up...!


















I love Back to The Future, and I can see how this new flick is like
it in some ways, but not quite. If FOX really did go as far to go
for that completely wrong view of space and time travel, as done in
the BTTF series, wouldn't Marky Mark have vanished, dissapread, had
been erased from history, like other things in the series seemed to
do? No, this seems more like a Sphere, or infinite regression type
theory of time travel if you will. My prediction, Thade goes back to
Earth in the pod Marky Mark crashed down in. Maybe Leo's chimp even
flew it, sitting on Thade's lap.... :) The oberon seemed in much
worse shape, and had no fuel. But how did Thade get out of that room
he was in? Pressed some magic escape button? I've really enjoyed
reading everyone's take on it though, I agree and dissagree with many
in the group. Well, hope to hear from someone about where linda
appears!





Ross (Dr. Milo)

Linda was in the cage with Marky Mark and he said "what is this place" or
something like that and she looked at him. You can see her in the second
trailer too. We'll be glad to have you at the chat next week. I'll give
details to it soon that you might want to print out if you don't know how to
use a yahoo chat.

Loc

In a message dated 7/30/01 10:43:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
smoothrt@... writes:

<< So no one has answered my Linda Harrison question, where the hell was
she in the film!? Is this a secret or something? I'd love to chat
in a yahoo room, I can't get in the AOL one's considering I don't
have AOL.

>>

I have just returned home after seeing Planet of the Apes 2001. Can
anyone explain the ending to me? I think I understand what happened
....that astronaught Leo screwed up things for earth, but I don't quite
understand how it happened. I am especially confused by the timeline
issues. Can anyone help?

a confused fan

Yeah, I know absolute befuddlement is what *I* look for in a satisfying
denouement. Maybe it was secretly directed by John Cassavettes from
beyond the grave?

Brent wrote:

>
> I have just returned home after seeing Planet of the Apes 2001. Can
> anyone explain the ending to me? I think I understand what happened
> ....that astronaught Leo screwed up things for earth, but I don't quite
> understand how it happened. I am especially confused by the timeline
> issues. Can anyone help?
>
> a confused fan
>
>
>
>
>

.html Don't look for it, Brent.  You may not like what you find!

Brent wrote:

I have just returned home after seeing Planet of the Apes 2001. Can
anyone explain the ending to me? I think I understand what happened
....that astronaught Leo screwed up things for earth, but I don't quite
understand how it happened. I am especially confused by the timeline
issues. Can anyone help?

a confused fan

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.htmlLinda was in the wagon Cage when Leo was captured with Daena on the way to
get them cleaned! Just a 1 second shot you must be fast to see her! Bryan<.html

In a message dated 7/30/01 10:43:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
smoothrt@... writes:

<< So no one has answered my Linda Harrison question, where the hell was
she in the film!? Is this a secret or something? I'd love to chat
in a yahoo room, I can't get in the AOL one's considering I don't
have AOL. >>

Linda was the gal next to Wahlber in the wagon when they were carting them
off to the city. She was the one who didn't talk.

Phil,

Quite the opposite - I saw a scene with Ari swinging around and it really
put me off!

But no more than the awful cartoon series - which I would pay to own.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2001 13:02
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] No Spoilers

Michael-

I really think you will be singing a different tune once you see this
thing (unless you've already decided you'll like it) . . .

Michael Whitty wrote:

>
> Realistic or not Phil, some people just sit around and criticize while
> others actually take some action (whether or not this action makes an

impact

> at some point). My point is if you do not like it, do something about it.
> Ring Fox and tell 'em it is crap, write an open letter to Burton and tell
> him it is crap and why, offer him a better idea so he can screw the
> producers next time around etc.
>
> As for the toys, I saw them at my local store yesterday and they are $30
> each or $50 for Attar on Steed! Limited movement and nowhere near the
> detail I expected (who is Estella supposed to look like?). Thankfully,

Alex

> has bought me some from the States and I will not therefore pay so much.

I

> must say there will be a large letter/email/video tape (well, maybe not a
> video) telling them the toys need work to justify their price tag (when
> actually it is probably the Aussie economy that needs work to strengthen

the

> Aus$....another letter....).
>
> Yeah you are right Phil - screw affirmative action - I just won't buy any
> more toys and if the movie is crap I'll just complain about it to you
> guys!!!
>
> Another sad point - I think this movie will kick major ass at the box

office

> because Jo Average has not seen the original and will therefore like this
> version (while those of us who have seen it already expect so much). So
> quote me to say it will beat EVERYTHING this year for $s grossed (and no I
> do not see this as a measure of the worth of a movie).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2001 1:11
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
>
> >I just hope if you continually get poor food you
> >may wish to seize the day and learn how to cook.
>
> Cooking is one thing, but to suggest that our natural response to crap

films

> should be for us to go out and make our own? Not terribly realistic.
>
> Thousands of scripts are generated in the industry every year. Is it too
> much to ask that the 100 or so actually made into mainstream, large budget
> films represent the best of the best? Even if you do "go out and sell

your

> own screenplay", it will have at least three other writers thrown onto it
> before it's produced with an eye toward getting it NOW, rather than

getting

> it RIGHT, if the Apes rehash is any indication.
>
> But hey, they got the toys out on time - that's what counts, right?
>
> >Michael
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
> >Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 16:45
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] Re: No Spoilers
> >
> >--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >
> > > I must say too, if you don't like the script/movie, then get your
> >ass back
> > > to University and write a better script
> >
> >Sorry, that's a terrible defense. I don't know how to cook, but I
> >know when I'm eating bad food . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _____

<< While I don't really want a
sequel, the ability for one is set up with this ending and, IMHO,
believe this ending works, and you really don't know EXACTLY what has
changed, and I think the key is HOW did it change,not so much that
you knew it was going to be different...but whatever... >>

True but the key to story telling is to have some change in yout lead
characters, and Wahlberg's didn't. Maybe they're saving that for the sequel.

In a message dated 7/30/01 3:18:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< "Hollywood Lives and Legends" >>

Dates? Times?

In a message dated 7/30/01 4:47:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Ring Fox and tell 'em it is crap, write an open letter to Burton and tell
him it is crap and why, offer him a better idea so he can screw the
producers next time around etc. >>

Ph#s Address?

In a message dated 7/30/01 5:36:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Because if the Thade on earth happens to just be another ape named Thade
then the ending is even more ridiculous. >>

Did it say Thade on it? I must have missed it.

In a message dated 7/30/01 7:33:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
CrystalRoses16@... writes:

<< This is a messege board ! People havn't said anything about it
before .Okay so I'm not good at spelling .Big deal . Tell me
something you're not good at ! >>

Being tactful.

In a message dated 7/30/01 9:08:13 PM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< 'm confused Lord. Was this directed at me? I did see the new film. >>

Hmmm...now I'm corn fused. The message I was responding to was signed Matt
and said I have not (and will not) see the new movie.

And your hard work Brian!

apeman@... wrote:

> I saw this item for sale at eBay, and thought that you all might be interested. ESPECIALLY with all the stuff going around about the NEW film, it's nice to see some publications acknowledging the old ones!
>
> Brian
>

.html Yeah, I wish they'd show a close-up of the cover.  It's a great shot!

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

And your hard work Brian!

apeman@... wrote:

> I saw this item for sale at eBay, and thought that you all might be interested. ESPECIALLY with all the stuff going around about the NEW film, it's nice to see some publications acknowledging the old ones!
>
> Brian
>

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If I get this (I have yet to see the film),

then the ending is deliberately complex - it's not 'illogical' [captain].

At least we are talking sequels here, but I suspect not by Burton (he tends
to hand these on)

Let's hope that the sequel will be better not worse... (knowing how sequels
generally go)

Any suggestions for a title?

Here's mine:

/*Beneath the Planet of the Apes*/ ;-)

M

On Movieheadlines.com Wahlberg saysof the ending: "There have been debates,
but I thought it was fantastic. Doors are left open and it was very
intentional."

As for the sequel, he says, "I kind of know what's going to happen, and
part of it I like a lot. I think the studio will let Tim go a bit
further..."

He only likes "part of it"? That's how I felt about THIS film!

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Gould" <mark.gould@...>
To: "pota" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: [pota] Sequels, sequels


> If I get this (I have yet to see the film),
>
> then the ending is deliberately complex - it's not 'illogical' [captain].
>
> At least we are talking sequels here, but I suspect not by Burton (he
tends
> to hand these on)
>
> Let's hope that the sequel will be better not worse... (knowing how
sequels
> generally go)
>
> Any suggestions for a title?
>
> Here's mine:
>
> /*Beneath the Planet of the Apes*/ ;-)
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 7/31/01 12:35:45 AM, apeman@... writes:

<< Don't look for it, Brent. You may not like what you find! >>

Awesome line Brian!

Matt

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=9693

has it been posted here before?

Hello again...

Don't know if this has been posted or not (I've not been reading any of the
posts!) so just to let you know:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2001/31_Jul---Going_Ape_in_the_Aisl
e_Seat.asp

Film Score Monthly for today is carrying not just a review of the new movie
but also of the Behind DVD release... it sounds mouthwatering....

Right, I'm off back into hiding...

Alan

>If I get this (I have yet to see the film),
>
>then the ending is deliberately complex - it's not 'illogical'

Then, well, you don't get it. Thanks for playing.

Love,

Phil



[captain].

>
>At least we are talking sequels here, but I suspect not by Burton (he tends
>to hand these on)
>
>Let's hope that the sequel will be better not worse... (knowing how sequels
>generally go)
>
>Any suggestions for a title?
>
>Here's mine:
>
>/*Beneath the Planet of the Apes*/ ;-)
>
>M
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

_____

In a message dated 7/31/01 11:12:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
mark.gould@... writes:

<< At least we are talking sequels here, but I suspect not by Burton (he tends
to hand these on) >>

He can't. If he does, they lose their cast. The rest only signed contingent
on Burton coming back for the sequels.

Well, now I REALLY don't know what you're talking about . . .

--- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:
> > As for the BAD GUY, this is why he's bad, he's just trying to
> protect that which his line of race has created. The line of the
> Genetic Ape.
>
> Wha?
>
> Are you guessing, or have plot elements been released somewhere?
Can
> you elaborate?
>
> I'd rather not talk anymore about the plot phil, as I have in the
past on this e-group.
> But I will tell you this, when they say:
> PLANET OF THE APES!
> It really will be PLANET OF THE APES!
>
> And not small portions of ape colonies here and there as it was
in the original.
>
> Best,
>
> Alex