I was checking out a POTA site months ago but can't seem to find it anymore!
Can anyone please give me the URL: the site had the scanned covers and pages
of all magazines that featured articles on the new POTA movie.

Thanks.

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Oh Dear

Al, have you pulled the plug yet?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mystic4ever [mystic4ever@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2001 6:05
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Which site was that

I was checking out a POTA site months ago but can't seem to find it anymore!
Can anyone please give me the URL: the site had the scanned covers and pages
of all magazines that featured articles on the new POTA movie.

Thanks.

.html I'm trying my best here .

                                                                             
                  
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Leo goes back two hundred years( Ari,Attar etc.....

    Oberaun goes back 1,00 years later

( Humans are forced to mate with apes , some humans mate with humans ,and
some apes mate with apes - Semos - the Apes God


With the small change Leo & Oberaun creaded . They changed Earth forever . If
it is Earth . Then horses and other animels would have all ready been on the
planet . Which would ceat an alternted universe .

<.html

I think that's Terry Hoknes' site. Do a search under "Ape Chronicles". He
shows covers of the British mags, etc.

- -
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: [pota] Which site was that


> I was checking out a POTA site months ago but can't seem to find it
anymore!
> Can anyone please give me the URL: the site had the scanned covers and
pages
> of all magazines that featured articles on the new POTA movie.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html personally i thought it was awesome!

From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
Organization: n/a
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:25:14 -0700
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [pota] Sequels, sequels

On Movieheadlines.com Wahlberg saysof the ending: "There have been debates,
but I thought it was fantastic. Doors are left open and it was very
intentional."

As for the sequel, he says, "I kind of know what's going to happen, and
part of it I like a lot. I think the studio will let Tim go a bit
further..."

He only likes "part of it"? That's how I felt about THIS film!

                                                                       - -
- - Jeff K.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Gould" <mark.gould@...>
To: "pota" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: [pota] Sequels, sequels


> If I get this (I have yet to see the film),
>
> then the ending is deliberately complex - it's not 'illogical' [captain].
>
> At least we are talking sequels here, but I suspect not by Burton (he
tends
> to hand these on)
>
> Let's hope that the sequel will be better not worse... (knowing how
sequels
> generally go)
>
> Any suggestions for a title?
>
> Here's mine:
>
> /*Beneath the Planet of the Apes*/   ;-)
>
> M
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

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Don't look for it, Brent.  You may not like what you find!

Brent wrote:

I have just returned home after seeing Planet of the Apes 2001. Can
anyone explain the ending to me? I think I understand what happened
....that astronaught Leo screwed up things for earth, but I don't quite
understand how it happened. I am especially confused by the timeline
issues. Can anyone help?

a confused fan

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] what the heck happened?

Or:

 

You don't understand, Mr. Brent. This "bomb" is a Holy Weapon of Hollywood....

 

 

 

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:43:19 -0700 Brian <apeman@...> writes:

Don't look for it, Brent.  You may not like what you find!

Brent wrote:

I have just returned home after seeing Planet of the Apes 2001. Can
anyone explain the ending to me? I think I understand what happened
....that astronaught Leo screwed up things for earth, but I don't quite
understand how it happened. I am especially confused by the timeline
issues. Can anyone help?

a confused fan

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlClick here: PLANET OF THE APES (PG-13): ChildCare Action Project (CAP) Media
Analysis Report MAR21049

All I can say about what's written in this one, folks, is "Sweet Jesus!"

-- Rory <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 7/31/01 9:46:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 People have been asking when the next issue of "Apesfan" will be out. The
answer is : don't hold your breathe. Joe Lozosky called me to shoot the
breeze on the new movie (both he and coeditor George Ruiz give it thumbs
down) and he said a new issue isn't on the plate. They've got alot of cool
interviews and features but other projects and the financial considerations
keep it on the backburner. That's the latest, if there's a change in plans
I'll let you know.

                                                                         -
- - - - Jeff K.



I'm glad to hear they have the good taste to give it the thumbs down.   Will
know after next weekend what the public really thinks of it.  Jeff, have you
seen any commercials for it on TV since last Friday?  I haven't.  I think Fox
better start showing them again if they want this bloody baboon of a movie to
have legs.   Do you say you still like it?   Well, there's a review on
Filmscoremonthly.com of the new "Behind" SE DVD that will make all of us very
happy.  I can't wait to get it and see the interview with Roddy McDowall.

For at least the time that it lasts while I first view it, Roddy will live
again.

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:48 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out PLANET OF THE APES (PG-13): ChildCare Action Project (CAP) Media An

Click here: PLANET OF THE APES (PG-13): ChildCare Action Project (CAP) Media
Analysis Report MAR21049

All I can say about what's written in this one, folks, is "Sweet Jesus!"

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:09 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Apesfan" update

In a message dated 7/31/01 9:46:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 People have been asking when the next issue of "Apesfan" will be out. The
answer is : don't hold your breathe. Joe Lozosky called me to shoot the
breeze on the new movie (both he and coeditor George Ruiz give it thumbs
down) and he said a new issue isn't on the plate. They've got alot of cool
interviews and features but other projects and the financial considerations
keep it on the backburner. That's the latest, if there's a change in plans
I'll let you know.

                                                                         -
- - - - Jeff K.

I'm glad to hear they have the good taste to give it the thumbs down.   Will
know after next weekend what the public really thinks of it.  Jeff, have you
seen any commercials for it on TV since last Friday?  I haven't.  I think Fox
better start showing them again if they want this bloody baboon of a movie to
have legs.   Do you say you still like it?   Well, there's a review on
Filmscoremonthly.com of the new "Behind" SE DVD that will make all of us very
happy.  I can't wait to get it and see the interview with Roddy McDowall.

For at least the time that it lasts while I first view it, Roddy will live
again.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 7/31/01 10:14:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

What does it mean? Did "Apes" pass?

                                                                    - - -
- - Jeff K.



God knows!<.html

Hey, Everybody--

Months ago, I wrote that I was expecting nothing from the new film, but would be happy, to be happily surprised.

Oh, well.

I was none too happy.

Aside from a few interesting shots, and a couple of moving moments, towards the end, the new movie, was really ill conceived.

(Athough, there was a part of my mind, or heart, that found it extremely neat, to be seeing a new APES movie, in a theatre, almost exactly 28 years to the day, that I first saw BATTLE... Especially since I was within about five miles from the theatre where I had seen BATTLE!)

Now--

Could somone PLEASE--off-list, if necessary, due to spoilers--explain that ending to me!!!

Best, Jim Burns

Okay--

You can, if you like, ignore the last part of my previous message!

Havng not been here, for months, I just went through the last several days' posts--

And saw that nearly everyone thought the ending was as doofy, as I did...!

But if someone COULD explain it, nonetheless--

:-)

--Email me!

:-)

Best, (Apeosaur) Jim Burns

We'll all be trying to suss out that ending for some time to come.
Everyone has a theory as to exactly what happened, but until the sequel
clears it up it's anyone's best guess.

Hey guys! I'm hosting these chats on Friday and Saturday this time. I'm
inviting the whole egroup from POTA so anyone on AOL who wants to chat Fri.
and/or Sat. night meet in Arts and Entertainment- Planet of the Apes under
member chat. If you can't find it then just locate me LocutusAtWolf359 and
I'll be there. The chat begins Friday Aug. 5th which will be the 6th to some
people depending on time zone at Midnight central time/1am Eastern (early
Saturday morning)/10pm pacific time. The same time goes for Saturday night. I
hope to see all of you there one night at least. If we get trouble from the
idiots that come online and start monkey business we might have to all move
to a private room but I hope that doesn't happen since now with the new movie
out people come in all the time talking about classic and the new movie. And
to the egroup people without AOL that want to chat Please leave feedback to
this email by replying with something saying you want to chat or you don't.
If I get a few people then I'm definitely starting the yahoo chat on Monday
around 7:30pm central time. These Saturday chats run until about 6am central
time so they are pretty cool and we talk about POTA a lot and other sci- fi
too. Hope all you guys can make it one day or both. I'll be emailing
instructions for the Monday chat for the egroup people in a day or too so
please respond and let me know if you are interested in it. Thanks sorry this
was so long!

Loc

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The only way I see that ending possibly coming about (save movie details
shot and then edited out), is that after Thade found the ship...(recall he
located the swamp sunken first ship and then killed the gorrillas that found
it - that's gratitude for ya'! - But Thade's character was the only bright
spot in the whole movie)...he COULD have raised the ship up by getting help
from soldiers he trusted, figured out how to repair and fly it (somehow is a
very short time!!), went back in time to old earth, changed "evolution" or
caused a revolution among the apes by planting his seed (or something) or
somehow introduced himself into earth's society as a savior of
monkeydom...then returned to the ape planet, re-sunk the ship and determined
to kill Leo so he couldn't change anything back.
Such a trip would take only seconds if we're talking time travel into the
past. At least that's how they always did it on Star Trek.

Yeah, I know...hardly likely. But I can't expalin it other wise. Besides why
show us that Thade found the ship, who then goes to the trouble of killing
his soldiers to keep the knowledge to himself, and then ...well... for the
rest of the movie he does nothing about it?!
Just leaves it in the swamp?
That also sounds un likely.

I may have to wait for he sequel to find out. If I bother with it at all.

JVB

>

_____

Step AWAY from the keyboard . . .

>From: CrystalRoses16@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [pota] that movie ending
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:12:00 EDT
>
> I'm trying my best here .
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------2069
>Leo goes back two hundred years( Ari,Attar etc.....
> Oberaun goes back 1,00 years later
>
>( Humans are forced to mate with apes , some humans mate with humans ,and
>some apes mate with apes - Semos - the Apes God
>
>
>With the small change Leo & Oberaun creaded . They changed Earth forever .
>If
>it is Earth . Then horses and other animels would have all ready been on
>the
>planet . Which would ceat an alternted universe .

_____

>We'll all be trying to suss out that ending for some time to come.
>Everyone has a theory as to exactly what happened, but until the sequel
>clears it up it's anyone's best guess.

"It'll all be explained in the sequel." Where've I heard that one before .
. . oh, yeah, now I remember. Same studio, too.

>
>
>
>
>
>

_____

Just saw the new apes and loved it. I'm a major fan of the originals. I went to the Dairy Queen in ape make up. I walked through blizzards to buy the marval mag. I was buying the toys at 14 years old when it wasn't cool. And I really liked this new film.

The ending ? Perhaps it's the alternate event - Thade one the battle, Leo is in little pieces all over the floor and there is shiney spaceship sitting waiting for him.... I wasn't really surprised, it was the right ending. Remember Pierre Boulle. ( hasn't any one mentioned that yet ) and hey, it's very Twilight Zoney which should make sense considering Rod Serling's past history and all. Now there's even more apes, and I'm thrilled. It's been way to long. - Jeff Doten

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

--- In pota@y..., "j vb" <boiledkelp@h...> wrote:

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> The only way I see that ending possibly coming about (save movie

details

> shot and then edited out), is that after Thade found the ship...

(recall he

> located the swamp sunken first ship and then killed the gorrillas

that found

> it - that's gratitude for ya'! - But Thade's character was the only

bright

> spot in the whole movie)...he COULD have raised the ship up by

getting help

> from soldiers he trusted, figured out how to repair and fly it

(somehow is a

> very short time!!), went back in time to old earth,

changed "evolution" or

> caused a revolution among the apes by planting his seed (or

something) or

> somehow introduced himself into earth's society as a savior of
> monkeydom...then returned to the ape planet, re-sunk the ship and

determined

> to kill Leo so he couldn't change anything back.
> Such a trip would take only seconds if we're talking time travel

into the

> past. At least that's how they always did it on Star Trek.
>
> Yeah, I know...hardly likely. But I can't expalin it other wise.

Besides why

> show us that Thade found the ship, who then goes to the trouble of

killing

> his soldiers to keep the knowledge to himself, and then ...well...

for the

> rest of the movie he does nothing about it?!
> Just leaves it in the swamp?
> That also sounds un likely.
>
> I may have to wait for he sequel to find out. If I bother with it

at all.

>
> JVB
> >
>
>
>
> _____

In a message dated 8/1/01 8:25:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< I'm trying my best here . >>

You go girl.
Sorry if I started anything.
Without a computer I can't spell either.

.htmlClick here: Planet of the Apes Timeline

Okay, here's some website trying to explain things.  Don't read this if you
haven't seen the film.

-- Rory<.html

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/01 8:25:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
> pjn1209@e... writes:
>
> << I'm trying my best here . >>
>
> You go girl.
> Sorry if I started anything.
> Without a computer I can't spell either.

(- : Yah spelling and gramer . Not my best subject .

Haristas@... wrote:

>
> Click here: Planet of the Apes Timeline
>
> Okay, here's some website trying to explain things. Don't read this
> if you
> haven't seen the film.

Feh-

See below





If there was a pod to take/repair, why would Leo take said pod, rather
than using Pericles' pod? Didn't he even say, when confronted with the
wreck of the Oberon, "I'm stuck here forever" or some shit?

>
> -- Rory
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

That's interesting, Jeff. This Thade is the victorious one. But that's even
more like "Back to the Future". I prefer a more straightforward one, even
though Thade getting that ship out of the swamp isn't particularly good
either. Ultimately, we're at the mercy of what Burton chooses to do.

- - -
- Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <dotenj@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: [pota] Apes 2001 and the ending ** SPOILERS !!


> Just saw the new apes and loved it. I'm a major fan of the originals. I
went to the Dairy Queen in ape make up. I walked through blizzards to buy
the marval mag. I was buying the toys at 14 years old when it wasn't cool.
And I really liked this new film.
>
> The ending ? Perhaps it's the alternate event - Thade one the battle, Leo
is in little pieces all over the floor and there is shiney spaceship sitting
waiting for him.... I wasn't really surprised, it was the right ending.
Remember Pierre Boulle. ( hasn't any one mentioned that yet ) and hey, it's
very Twilight Zoney which should make sense considering Rod Serling's past
history and all. Now there's even more apes, and I'm thrilled. It's been way
to long. - Jeff Doten
>
> Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
> http://www.jeffdoten.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

That makes sence . Pretty much what I thought , but guess I got the
year wrong . I still wan't to say it's earth as an alternated
earth .But that's probaly just me .

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> <A HREF="http://hazmat.4t.com.htmlpota_timeline.htmlquot;>Click here:

Planet of the Apes Timeline</A>

>
> Okay, here's some website trying to explain things. Don't read

this if you

> haven't seen the film.
>
> -- Rory

Makes since to me . Pretty much what I thought , but I got the year
wrong aparelenty . I still like to think that it's an alternated
universe of earth .But that's probaly just me .

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out Planet of the Apes Timeline

Click here: Planet of the Apes Timeline

Okay, here's some website trying to explain things.  Don't read this if you
haven't seen the film.

-- Rory

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out Planet of the Apes Timeline

Click here: Planet of the Apes Timeline

Okay, here's some website trying to explain things.  Don't read this if you
haven't seen the film.

-- Rory

<.html

In a message dated 8/1/01 5:06:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
CrystalRoses16@... writes:

<< That makes sence . Pretty much what I thought , but guess I got the
year wrong . I still wan't to say it's earth as an alternated
earth .But that's probaly just me .

>>

The time at the begining of the film was 2029. I remember this specifically
because it is the same year that the future war of Terminator and T2 takes
place.

Loc

.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/01 6:29:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

According to Movieheadlines.com, the novelization and making of book won't
include the ending. Instead, they direct the reader to the "Apes" website,
where reportedly the ending will be posted starting this weekend. Not only
that, but future editions WILL have the ending. Perhaps these first
versions will become collectible?

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.



I am sure that this news probably only matters to six-year-olds who in thirty
years! will be trying to recapture their lost childhoods by fondly recalling
that APES movie they saw in the summer of 2001!    We all, on the other hand,
will have recently celebrated the 60th Anniversary of the '68 original  ---  
YEAH!!!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/01 6:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I read in the new issue of "Toy Shop" that a line of "Ape" stuff that was
to be made by the Applause company has been cancelled. These included bean
bag figures, plastic statues, etc. Apparently Applause has had some company
shuffles and "Apes" got lost in it.

                                                                     - - -
- Jeff K.



Boy, is this news killing me.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlGeneral Thade (aka Tim Roth) is on the August 3rd issue of Entertainment
Weekly.  That's the second cover the new film has had from EW.

BUT, the movie gets only a C+ review, and is called surprisingly
unimaginative.

I'll say!

-- Rory<.html

.html

 I read in the new issue of "Toy Shop" that a line of "Ape" stuff that was to be made by the Applause company has been cancelled. These included bean bag figures, plastic statues, etc. Apparently Applause has had some company shuffles and "Apes" got lost in it.

 

                                                                      - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out Planet of the Apes Timeline

Click here: Planet of the Apes Timeline

Okay, here's some website trying to explain things.  Don't read this if you
haven't seen the film.

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlClick here: 1785 - Behind the Planet of the Apes: Special Collector's
Edition presented by DVD Angle

Here's another review of the "Behind" SE  DVD that should be out next
Tuesday!  

Can't wait!!!

-- Rory <.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:03 PM

Subject: [pota] Thade -- cover boy!

General Thade (aka Tim Roth) is on the August 3rd issue of Entertainment
Weekly.  That's the second cover the new film has had from EW.

BUT, the movie gets only a C+ review, and is called surprisingly
unimaginative.

I'll say!

-- Rory

<.html

Intersting , so they won't have the ending in the book either ? Oh
well I go to the officel site all the time .Hophely it'll clear at
least some things up .

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/1/01 6:29:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> williejoe@e... writes:
>
>
> > According to Movieheadlines.com, the novelization and making of
book won't
> > include the ending. Instead, they direct the reader to the "Apes"
website,
> > where reportedly the ending will be posted starting this weekend.
Not only
> > that, but future editions WILL have the ending. Perhaps these
first
> > versions will become collectible?
> >
>
>

> > - - - - Jeff K.
> >
> >
>
> I am sure that this news probably only matters to six-year-olds who
in thirty
> years! will be trying to recapture their lost childhoods by fondly
recalling
> that APES movie they saw in the summer of 2001! We all, on the
other hand,
> will have recently celebrated the 60th Anniversary of the '68
original ---
> YEAH!!!!!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> General Thade (aka Tim Roth) is on the August 3rd issue of

Entertainment

> Weekly. That's the second cover the new film has had from EW.
>
> BUT, the movie gets only a C+ review, and is called surprisingly
> unimaginative.
>
> I'll say!
>
> -- Rory

I think with this one it depends on what the vewiers say . If it
sells it sells . If not then oh well . Burton had a lot to work with
and the Apes project must have been difucelt .Since the movie got
shuffeled around for so long . I'm glade the movie is out and has
mixed reviwes . Since it made a lot of money and it was mosre then
likely written for sequals . Then Apes is here to stay for a whiel
hophely . Just depends on what you like and all .

" I've been away from home for thousands of years", he said
softly.- Leo Davidson

Afte reading this . The planet could be earth in the futre when
Leo goes back home . If he is gone for thousans of years , and if the
crew of Oberaun wen't back even futher .Then who knows what they
could have done .And one other thing . The conitents of earth
changes . Ever so slightly .But consider how long Oberaun and Leo are
gone. The earth would be difrent no mater what ,and Thade wouldn't
need to do time travel are any thing . The Apes would have controll
long befour .

You know, I always thought that John Chambers did all the makeup on
the original Planet of the Apes movies then I see this auction on
ebay!!


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1452081540

The seller states - This is an authentic "Don Post" original mask
from the 1970's original series of Planet of the Apes movies. It was
worn by an "extra" in one of the films, who is a person that is
walking around in the background of the scenes, but has no close ups.
Don Post made all of the makeup, masks and costumes for the original
Planet of the Apes movies.

My brother has one of those masks too but I didn't know it was used
in the movies!

Sheesh!
Andy

.html isn't it kinda like star wars???  the ship crashed in a swampy area i was expecting leo to use the Force and yoda to pop out somewhere lol :-)

From: "j vb" <boiledkelp@...>
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:06:10 +0000
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] my take on what happened on monkey earth. SPOILERS!!

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The only way I see that ending possibly coming about (save movie details
shot and then edited out), is that after Thade found the ship...(recall he
located the swamp sunken first ship and then killed the gorrillas that found
it - that's gratitude for ya'! - But Thade's character was the only bright
spot in the whole movie)...he COULD have raised the ship up by getting help
from soldiers he trusted, figured out how to repair and fly it (somehow is a
very short time!!), went back in time to old earth, changed "evolution" or
caused a revolution among the apes by planting his seed (or something) or
somehow introduced himself into earth's society as a savior of
monkeydom...then returned to the ape planet, re-sunk the ship and determined
to kill Leo so he couldn't change anything back.
Such a trip would take only seconds if we're talking time travel into the
past. At least that's how they always did it on Star Trek.

Yeah, I know...hardly likely. But I can't expalin it other wise. Besides why
show us that Thade found the ship, who then goes to the trouble of killing
his soldiers to keep the knowledge to himself, and then ...well... for the
rest of the movie he does nothing about it?!
Just leaves it in the swamp?
That also sounds un likely.

I may have to wait for he sequel to find out. If I bother with it at all.

JVB
>



_____

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> According to Movieheadlines.com, the novelization and making of book
> won't include the ending. Instead, they direct the reader to the
> "Apes" website, where reportedly the ending will be posted starting
> this weekend. Not only that, but future editions WILL have the ending.
> Perhaps these first versions will become collectible?

Don't care, but the comic book adaptation I saw at Barnes and Noble was
also missing the ending.

>
>
> - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:38 AM
> Subject: [pota] Check out Planet of the Apes Timeline
>
> Click here: Planet of the Apes Timeline
>
> Okay, here's some website trying to explain things. Don't
> read this if you
> haven't seen the film.
>
> -- Rory
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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I was having fun going through some of my APES tapes yesterday, when I saw something in BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES that I had forgotten about--

But which had, also--previously!--been a mystery to me.

I think I had meant to ask about this before, but never got around to it (but if this has been covered before, forgive me!).

SPOILER--BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES

A
A
A
A
A
A
P
P
P
P
P
P
E
E
E
E
E
E

Right before Tayor "disappears" into the "wall," during BENEATH's first few minutes, the film clearly uses a shot taken entirely out of shooting sequence, from the rest of the scenes.

Taylor is clean cut, and then, suddenly, in that brief shot, he's DIFFERENT looking...

Now, it's interesting to note that Heston and Fox squabbled over his shooting time on BENEATH. And that Fox apparently violated their original agreement by needing him for MUCH more, than they had requested...

But any idea where--or why--this weird shot comes from (i.e., the story behind it)...?

Best, Jim

(Clearly doing anything to forget about the new picture!)

:-)

Thanks to APES fan, Richard Cisak, at another APES Yahoo group, here's SLA=
TE agazine's take, and "explanation," on the ending...

Best, Jim Burns

Doodling around here...

Just realized the obvious:

Thade is an anagram, for "death."

How clever!

(Phooey.)

.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/01 10:00:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

The movie is reviewed in "Time" (they didn't like it) and "Newsweek" (they
were amused).                - - - - Jeff K.

I remember looking up what Time had to say about the original back in 1968.  
The reviewer then said that PLANET wasn't up to one episode of Star Trek!

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:12 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: prophecysite.com shut down

Sorry to hear that Al.  Are you sure there isn't something you can do?  I know your pain.  We get hit a great deal more than our plan covers as well.  Dang POTA fans!  Hang in there!  We hate to see you leave.  Your site is grand!

 

 

The only thing I could do for now is shut down for a few hours a day.

I always knew that if the movie was big, so would the hits. Especially since I have the only New POTA that is as big as the official web site when it comes to downloadable stuff. Many have told me that they enjoy my site more than the offical. So I did see it coming.

 

Hopefuly things will slow down as time passes on, but if it doesn't I have no other choice but to close shop. The Bandwidth cost are too high, I could easly pay up to $200 to $250 a month. That's the problem with web sites, you can have 300 to 500 megs of storage, but bandwidth (memory space is a whole other monster coast)

 

Hopefuly things will get better, if not, oh well, at least the goal was met.

 

Best,

Al

 

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I think it's more plausible that Thade resurrects Leo's ship than builds
his own. But I hadn't thought about what Limbo might have in Leo's bag.

- -
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jameshburns@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:32 AM
Subject: [pota] COMPLETE Spoiler: THAT Ending...



Thanks to APES fan, Richard Cisak, at another APES Yahoo group, here's SLA=
TE agazine's take, and "explanation," on the ending...

Best, Jim Burns

Tim Burton: an antigram for "death of POTA".

- - - - - Tim Burton's
mother

----- Original Message -----
From: <jameshburns@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:29 AM
Subject: [pota] How Dumb Are We...? (Or, Is That, the Filmmakers...)


> Doodling around here...
>
> Just realized the obvious:
>
> Thade is an anagram, for "death."
>
> How clever!
>
> (Phooey.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:50 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Thade -- cover boy!

In a message dated 8/1/01 10:00:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

The movie is reviewed in "Time" (they didn't like it) and "Newsweek" (they
were amused).                - - - - Jeff K.

I remember looking up what Time had to say about the original back in 1968.  
The reviewer then said that PLANET wasn't up to one episode of Star Trek!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten

Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
http://www.jeffdoten.com

True, it's "just a movie", by the same token, my opinion is "just an
opinion". No one has to agree.
BTW, I enjoyed POTA. I was entertained. But was it what it could have been?
What it was HYPED to be? What we all expected it to be? No.
I read many of the reviews before I went (it was 50/50 split for or
against), I went with an open mind, determined to decide for myself.
I have.
Perhaps I am also a bit spoiled in that I grew up being treated to such gems
as Jaws, Close Encounters, Star Wars and Empire Strikes (And, yeah, Phantom
Menace blew chunks!!), Space Oddessy, The original POTA,
There was junk being produced back then too, but these days it's higher
priced junk.
They call them popcorn movies. Does that mean it has to be sloppy?
Was 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' sloppy?
Movies geared for the selling of merchandise (yes, I know, it's "bottom
line" and "profit" and "return" and "everyone expects their cut"), can't
help but sacrifice asking those hard questions, introducing controversy,
conflict, drama and treating the audience as if there were still among the
watchers a few intellects with deeper expectations, and giving them
something too.
Yup, I know it was made for a younger audience because they would be the toy
buyers (or those asking the parents to buy for them), and perhaps diehard
collectors.

The movie I saw this year that met some of my own expectations was Traffic.

I haven't seen Shrek yet, but from the overall highly poisitive reviews, it
sounds like a popcorn movie with good writing, good script, better that
average entertainment and for all ages too.

That's my two cents. Remember, it's just an opinion.

jvb

>I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these days.
>Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they eagerly waited for
>and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such a bunch of sour monkeys
>around..... Guess the next thing to hate is Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten
>
>Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
>http://www.jeffdoten.com
>

_____

--- In pota@y..., dotenj@c... wrote:

> I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these

days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they
eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such
a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is
Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten

me:

I liked the movie and I'm going to see it a few more times as well.
However it's too easy to pick apart, I can see why people hate it. It
appears like safe Hollywood dreck in a lot of ways and just a mess in
others. But again I liked it!

Well, I don't buy that "they made it for us and we better like it stuff".
They made it to capitalize on a previous film series so they know going in
there's going to be comparisons. I've been one of the new film's boosters to
an extent, but there's no getting around it: it was rushed and it's sloppy.
Fox has spat on "Apes" all along. It took years for Jacobs to get them to
make it, they do, make a lot of money, then nickel and dime the sequels to
death. They reap the rewards of Tv shows, merchandising and then rip off
Jacobs' widow. After all these years of fans saying "We want more" they
finally get the picture and then almost disown the originals, disallowing
pictures in books designed to celebrate the originals, shelving the video
game because it might confuse the the kiddies that there's some other
version besides the new one, and then deliver a subpar, yes, SUBPAR, movie
and then think the big opening is their work, not the result of goodwill
from the originals.

I agree, sometimes the e-mails here get grumpy and cynical, but personally
I'm kinda enjoying seeing Fox get their lumps.

- - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:42 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed


> --- In pota@y..., dotenj@c... wrote:
>
> > I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these
> days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they
> eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such
> a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is
> Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten
>
> me:
>
> I liked the movie and I'm going to see it a few more times as well.
> However it's too easy to pick apart, I can see why people hate it. It
> appears like safe Hollywood dreck in a lot of ways and just a mess in
> others. But again I liked it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Okay pardon me if this has already been tossed out but I have been
thinking pretty hard about the ending of the new movie and I think I
might have a solution to what exactly was going on there.
First look at the timeline.

Pericles goes off course. Leo Goes after him.
Pericles goes into the wormhole and vanishes.
A couple of seconds later Leo is also swept into a wormhole.
Some time later the Oberon is also swept into a worm hole while
searching for Leo.
All arrive on the Planet of the Apes.

Oberon arrives first, even though it went last. It arrives a thousand
years before Leo and creates the world that he finds when he arrives.

After a few days he makes it back to Oberon and Pericles arrives.
Even though he is first to leave he is last to arrive and to him only
minutes have passed since he entered the wormhole (one would assume).

Leo hops in Pericles' pod and goes back through the wormhole and
arrives to find that Earth is now a planet of the Apes with a
monument to Thade in place of Lincoln.

Now, following the rules of time travel as laid out first to leave is
last to arrive so it is entirely possible that Thade could leave the
Planet of the Apes (presumabely in Leo's pod which was intact but
submerged, Het they did it in Escape from the Planet of the Apes so
why not here?)and arrive on Earth a couple of hundred years ahead of
Leo and change history. He knew where the ship was.

That's the best I can come up with. I think this was a puzzle ending.

Gregg

Exactly! - - - Jeff
K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <tedsallis@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: [pota] A theory on the Ending: SPOILERS!


> Okay pardon me if this has already been tossed out but I have been
> thinking pretty hard about the ending of the new movie and I think I
> might have a solution to what exactly was going on there.
> First look at the timeline.
>
> Pericles goes off course. Leo Goes after him.
> Pericles goes into the wormhole and vanishes.
> A couple of seconds later Leo is also swept into a wormhole.
> Some time later the Oberon is also swept into a worm hole while
> searching for Leo.
> All arrive on the Planet of the Apes.
>
> Oberon arrives first, even though it went last. It arrives a thousand
> years before Leo and creates the world that he finds when he arrives.
>
> After a few days he makes it back to Oberon and Pericles arrives.
> Even though he is first to leave he is last to arrive and to him only
> minutes have passed since he entered the wormhole (one would assume).
>
> Leo hops in Pericles' pod and goes back through the wormhole and
> arrives to find that Earth is now a planet of the Apes with a
> monument to Thade in place of Lincoln.
>
> Now, following the rules of time travel as laid out first to leave is
> last to arrive so it is entirely possible that Thade could leave the
> Planet of the Apes (presumabely in Leo's pod which was intact but
> submerged, Het they did it in Escape from the Planet of the Apes so
> why not here?)and arrive on Earth a couple of hundred years ahead of
> Leo and change history. He knew where the ship was.
>
> That's the best I can come up with. I think this was a puzzle ending.
>
> Gregg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:15 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out 1785 - Behind the Planet of the Apes: Special Collector's Edition p

Click here: 1785 - Behind the Planet of the Apes: Special Collector's
Edition presented by DVD Angle

Here's another review of the "Behind" SE  DVD that should be out next
Tuesday!  

Can't wait!!!

-- Rory

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Hey, Rory brought this up awhile back and it wasn't followed up on. The chat
with Fox DVD guru Peter Staddon. It took place on July 31 and the transcript
is at www.hometheatreforum.com .

The opening weekend of "Apes" was brought up of course and they've got a
special edition planned. Someone brought up that J. Lee Thompson wants to do
a director's cut of "Conquest" but Peter feined ignorance. He said it would
have been good for this year and he'll "follow up" on it.

Called the remake "the most important film for the studio".

As for a special edition of the original, he said, " We are not planning on
revisiting "Planet of the Apes" any time soon. It would make a good 5 star
title ( they're top editions) - it certainly meets all the criteria but
probably not until 2003 at the very earliest. We are releasing the "planet
of the Apes" TV series in the not too distant future".

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] A theory on the Ending: SPOILERS!


> Exactly! - - -
Jeff
> K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tedsallis@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:34 AM
> Subject: [pota] A theory on the Ending: SPOILERS!
>
>
> > Okay pardon me if this has already been tossed out but I have been
> > thinking pretty hard about the ending of the new movie and I think I
> > might have a solution to what exactly was going on there.
> > First look at the timeline.
> >
> > Pericles goes off course. Leo Goes after him.
> > Pericles goes into the wormhole and vanishes.
> > A couple of seconds later Leo is also swept into a wormhole.
> > Some time later the Oberon is also swept into a worm hole while
> > searching for Leo.
> > All arrive on the Planet of the Apes.
> >
> > Oberon arrives first, even though it went last. It arrives a thousand
> > years before Leo and creates the world that he finds when he arrives.
> >
> > After a few days he makes it back to Oberon and Pericles arrives.
> > Even though he is first to leave he is last to arrive and to him only
> > minutes have passed since he entered the wormhole (one would assume).
> >
> > Leo hops in Pericles' pod and goes back through the wormhole and
> > arrives to find that Earth is now a planet of the Apes with a
> > monument to Thade in place of Lincoln.
> >
> > Now, following the rules of time travel as laid out first to leave is
> > last to arrive so it is entirely possible that Thade could leave the
> > Planet of the Apes (presumabely in Leo's pod which was intact but
> > submerged, Het they did it in Escape from the Planet of the Apes so
> > why not here?)and arrive on Earth a couple of hundred years ahead of
> > Leo and change history. He knew where the ship was.
> >
> > That's the best I can come up with. I think this was a puzzle ending.
> >
> > Gregg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., dotenj@c... wrote:

> I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these

days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they
eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such
a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is
Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten

>
> Jeff Doten's Illustration Studio
> http://www.jeffdoten.com

I've said numerous of times that I like the movie . Some things I
like about it and others I don't . It's not as good as the origonal
of corse .But I still like it .Hophely I can see it a coupel more
times befour it's on DVD .

Call me blind, but who did linda harrison play? human or ape?


I'm actually quite sad that we won't have a revival of something good to see
in theatres for a few years to come; that is, we won't have a really, really
a$$-kicking POTA series. Not that all the sequels to the original were
kick-ass. Well, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll make the second new POTA
with driven characters and heart wrenching/pounding plot developement.
It's either that or it's like my husband commented:
"You know, I haven't seen a fantastic - I mean really fantastic - movie in
five or six years!"
They don't all have to be "fantastic", unless of course, they claim to be.
In that event, then they damn well better be!

All we really need is good story, good writing, good acting. Is that really
so diffiult to find in hollywood? It seems the answer is for the most part
yes.
The 2 movies I enjoyed most last year were both foreign. Not a hint of
tinsel on them.

jvb

_____

I still have not seen the movie guys!!!

Only seven days to go and I must say I'll probably love it after getting
used to all this criticism (I'll be expecting something awful and just get
something bad)!!!

I like the points you made here Jeff but I must say I hope this Burton
effort is better than Time of the Apes. It should also be better than one
or 2 of the TV episodes. Hell, it may be better than Battle and since it is
a whole different story line we could see a prequel or sequel paying homage
to the original (there must be some directors who are fans who are pissed
off by this re-thinking) make-up, characters and story.

Also, wouldn't we EXPECT this to be subpar - nearly everything since the
original has been.

Oh, and I still have not had the ending spoiled for me (although some
newcomers to the group did not know to mention "spoilers" and it came very
close!!

Did I hear it grossed $170 Mil in the first week, second highest ever? Can
anyone confirm?

Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2001 3:09
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed

Well, I don't buy that "they made it for us and we better like it stuff".
They made it to capitalize on a previous film series so they know going in
there's going to be comparisons. I've been one of the new film's boosters to
an extent, but there's no getting around it: it was rushed and it's sloppy.
Fox has spat on "Apes" all along. It took years for Jacobs to get them to
make it, they do, make a lot of money, then nickel and dime the sequels to
death. They reap the rewards of Tv shows, merchandising and then rip off
Jacobs' widow. After all these years of fans saying "We want more" they
finally get the picture and then almost disown the originals, disallowing
pictures in books designed to celebrate the originals, shelving the video
game because it might confuse the the kiddies that there's some other
version besides the new one, and then deliver a subpar, yes, SUBPAR, movie
and then think the big opening is their work, not the result of goodwill
from the originals.

I agree, sometimes the e-mails here get grumpy and cynical, but personally
I'm kinda enjoying seeing Fox get their lumps.

- - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:42 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed


> --- In pota@y..., dotenj@c... wrote:
>
> > I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these
> days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they
> eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such
> a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is
> Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten
>
> me:
>
> I liked the movie and I'm going to see it a few more times as well.
> However it's too easy to pick apart, I can see why people hate it. It
> appears like safe Hollywood dreck in a lot of ways and just a mess in
> others. But again I liked it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Michael - -- -

Well, don't finger me as the naysayer. I said I liked it on it's own terms.
By "subpar" I'm talking script and overall concept. There are those who
think it's better than the original.

The opening take was $68.5 million, down from the $69.5 million Fox
predicted but enough to make it the biggest non-holiday 3-day opening ever
and the 2nd biggest 3-day opening ever (behind "Jurassic Park" 2).

What's a 3-day opening? For example, some movies open on a Wedsday, like
"Star Wars" films, so Wedsday and Thursday are figured into their weekend.
"Jurassic Park 3" opened on Wedsday and did $80 something million on it's
first "weekend". Tomorrow I will explain back-end gross participation.

- - - -
- Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: [pota] I'm really disappointed


> I still have not seen the movie guys!!!
>
> Only seven days to go and I must say I'll probably love it after getting
> used to all this criticism (I'll be expecting something awful and just get
> something bad)!!!
>
> I like the points you made here Jeff but I must say I hope this Burton
> effort is better than Time of the Apes. It should also be better than one
> or 2 of the TV episodes. Hell, it may be better than Battle and since it
is
> a whole different story line we could see a prequel or sequel paying
homage
> to the original (there must be some directors who are fans who are pissed
> off by this re-thinking) make-up, characters and story.
>
> Also, wouldn't we EXPECT this to be subpar - nearly everything since the
> original has been.
>
> Oh, and I still have not had the ending spoiled for me (although some
> newcomers to the group did not know to mention "spoilers" and it came very
> close!!
>
> Did I hear it grossed $170 Mil in the first week, second highest ever?
Can
> anyone confirm?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2001 3:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed
>
> Well, I don't buy that "they made it for us and we better like it
stuff".
> They made it to capitalize on a previous film series so they know going in
> there's going to be comparisons. I've been one of the new film's boosters
to
> an extent, but there's no getting around it: it was rushed and it's
sloppy.
> Fox has spat on "Apes" all along. It took years for Jacobs to get them to
> make it, they do, make a lot of money, then nickel and dime the sequels to
> death. They reap the rewards of Tv shows, merchandising and then rip off
> Jacobs' widow. After all these years of fans saying "We want more" they
> finally get the picture and then almost disown the originals, disallowing
> pictures in books designed to celebrate the originals, shelving the video
> game because it might confuse the the kiddies that there's some other
> version besides the new one, and then deliver a subpar, yes, SUBPAR, movie
> and then think the big opening is their work, not the result of goodwill
> from the originals.
>
> I agree, sometimes the e-mails here get grumpy and cynical, but
personally
> I'm kinda enjoying seeing Fox get their lumps.
>
> - - -
-
> Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <danpiercy@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:42 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., dotenj@c... wrote:
> >
> > > I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these
> > days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they
> > eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such
> > a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is
> > Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten
> >
> > me:
> >
> > I liked the movie and I'm going to see it a few more times as well.
> > However it's too easy to pick apart, I can see why people hate it. It
> > appears like safe Hollywood dreck in a lot of ways and just a mess in
> > others. But again I liked it!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 3:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Hey, Rory brought this up awhile back and it wasn't followed up on. The chat
with Fox DVD guru Peter Staddon. It took place on July 31 and the transcript
is at www.hometheatreforum.com .

The opening weekend of "Apes" was brought up of course and they've got a
special edition planned. Someone brought up that J. Lee Thompson wants to do
a director's cut of "Conquest" but Peter feined ignorance. He said it would
have been good for this year and he'll "follow up" on it.

Called the remake "the most important film for the studio".

As for a special edition of the original, he said, " We are not planning on
revisiting "Planet of the Apes" any time soon. It would make a good 5 star
title ( they're top editions) - it certainly meets all the criteria but
probably not until 2003 at the very earliest. We are releasing the "planet
of the Apes" TV series in the not too distant future".

                                                                        - -
- - Jeff K.

Yeah, I brought this up, then forgot all about it the night it was on.  
However, those there asked the right questions AND it seems changing
attitudes towards the APES films with Fox is a tough thing!   2003!!!!   God
Damn Them All To Hell!!!

Joe Russo, by the way, would go out of his mind if he found out a dirctor's
cut of "Conquest" was coming.  Let us hope Fox lets Thompson do it!

-- Rory<.html

I saw the movie. It was great. visit www/planetoftheapesonline.com

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> mail.mia.bellsouth.net <byruiz@b...> wrote:
> >Well, I wouldn't mind seeing an ape remake, you can just imagine
the web
> >sites exploding on the net on planet of the apes, with sneak peaks
on
> >images, wav files, trailers and so on. How awsome that would be!
>
>
> Unless the film turns out to be a load of cack! :-)
>
> One of my main fears regarding a possible remake is the prospect of
all
> these new "fans". Primarily - think of the collectables market. Ape
items
> can be quite expensive these days (they're certainly not getting any
> cheaper) - imagine the boom in prices if a new film emerged. Fans
like us
> ("real" fans if I might be so cynical) who have been collecting all
along
> would suddenly become the victims of the hype surrounding a remake.
Imagine
> walking into your local comic shop and being confronted with items
going for
> twenty quid or something when a year or two before they were
costing a
> couple of quid at most and still not shifting any copies.
>
> And on another completely different note, but still Ape-related - a
couple
> of questions about the computer game. Does anyone know - Is it being
> designed solely for the PC, or for other formats? And is it being
designed
> specifically for use with 3D-accelerated PCs or optional? Any
answers or
> indeed any new information at all would be gratefully received. It
looks
> like a mouthwatering prospect indeed (here's where someone tells me
it's
> been abandoned :-) ).
>
> Alan

The movie was great. Go to www.planetoftheapesonline.com

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> mail.mia.bellsouth.net <byruiz@b...> wrote:
> >Well, I wouldn't mind seeing an ape remake, you can just imagine
the web
> >sites exploding on the net on planet of the apes, with sneak peaks
on
> >images, wav files, trailers and so on. How awsome that would be!
>
>
> Unless the film turns out to be a load of cack! :-)
>
> One of my main fears regarding a possible remake is the prospect of
all
> these new "fans". Primarily - think of the collectables market. Ape
items
> can be quite expensive these days (they're certainly not getting any
> cheaper) - imagine the boom in prices if a new film emerged. Fans
like us
> ("real" fans if I might be so cynical) who have been collecting all
along
> would suddenly become the victims of the hype surrounding a remake.
Imagine
> walking into your local comic shop and being confronted with items
going for
> twenty quid or something when a year or two before they were
costing a
> couple of quid at most and still not shifting any copies.
>
> And on another completely different note, but still Ape-related - a
couple
> of questions about the computer game. Does anyone know - Is it being
> designed solely for the PC, or for other formats? And is it being
designed
> specifically for use with 3D-accelerated PCs or optional? Any
answers or
> indeed any new information at all would be gratefully received. It
looks
> like a mouthwatering prospect indeed (here's where someone tells me
it's
> been abandoned :-) ).
>
> Alan

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 4:41:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
boiledkelp@... writes:

I'm actually quite sad that we won't have a revival of something good to see
in theatres for a few years to come; that is, we won't have a really,
really
a$$-kicking POTA series. Not that all the sequels to the original were
kick-ass. Well, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll make the second new POTA
with driven characters and heart wrenching/pounding plot developement.
It's either that or it's like my husband commented:
"You know, I haven't seen a fantastic - I mean really fantastic - movie in
five or six years!"
They don't all have to be "fantastic", unless of course, they claim to be.
In that event, then they damn well better be!

All we really need is good story, good writing, good acting. Is that really
so diffiult to find in hollywood? It seems the answer is for the most part
yes.
The 2 movies I enjoyed most last year were both foreign. Not a hint of
tinsel on them.

jvb

Boy, do I know how your husband feels.  I really think Hollywood has lost the
art of doing good narrative film.  Everything seems just aimed at the lowest
common denominator.  Everybody at Fox is probably slapping each other on the
back over the 'success' of the new PLANET OF THE APES, and that's fine I
guess since just making money off crap seems to be more and more what the
Hollywood studios are all about.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 5:57:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Only seven days to go and I must say I'll probably love it after getting
used to all this criticism (I'll be expecting something awful and just get
something bad)!!!

Just you wait, mate!  Just you wait!    (Hey, I hope you like it -- I really,
really wish I could, but unfortunately I have a brain, and I've read the book
several times and seen the original more times than I can count -- these
folks at Fox just don't know APES!)

You'll see.

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVD update

In a message dated 8/2/01 3:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Hey, Rory brought this up awhile back and it wasn't followed up on. The chat
with Fox DVD guru Peter Staddon. It took place on July 31 and the transcript
is at www.hometheatreforum.com .

The opening weekend of "Apes" was brought up of course and they've got a
special edition planned. Someone brought up that J. Lee Thompson wants to do
a director's cut of "Conquest" but Peter feined ignorance. He said it would
have been good for this year and he'll "follow up" on it.

Called the remake "the most important film for the studio".

As for a special edition of the original, he said, " We are not planning on
revisiting "Planet of the Apes" any time soon. It would make a good 5 star
title ( they're top editions) - it certainly meets all the criteria but
probably not until 2003 at the very earliest. We are releasing the "planet
of the Apes" TV series in the not too distant future".

                                                                        - -
- - Jeff K.

Yeah, I brought this up, then forgot all about it the night it was on.  
However, those there asked the right questions AND it seems changing
attitudes towards the APES films with Fox is a tough thing!   2003!!!!   God
Damn Them All To Hell!!!

Joe Russo, by the way, would go out of his mind if he found out a dirctor's
cut of "Conquest" was coming.  Let us hope Fox lets Thompson do it!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVD update

In a message dated 8/2/01 3:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Hey, Rory brought this up awhile back and it wasn't followed up on. The chat
with Fox DVD guru Peter Staddon. It took place on July 31 and the transcript
is at www.hometheatreforum.com .

The opening weekend of "Apes" was brought up of course and they've got a
special edition planned. Someone brought up that J. Lee Thompson wants to do
a director's cut of "Conquest" but Peter feined ignorance. He said it would
have been good for this year and he'll "follow up" on it.

Called the remake "the most important film for the studio".

As for a special edition of the original, he said, " We are not planning on
revisiting "Planet of the Apes" any time soon. It would make a good 5 star
title ( they're top editions) - it certainly meets all the criteria but
probably not until 2003 at the very earliest. We are releasing the "planet
of the Apes" TV series in the not too distant future".

                                                                        - -
- - Jeff K.

Yeah, I brought this up, then forgot all about it the night it was on.  
However, those there asked the right questions AND it seems changing
attitudes towards the APES films with Fox is a tough thing!   2003!!!!   God
Damn Them All To Hell!!!

Joe Russo, by the way, would go out of his mind if he found out a dirctor's
cut of "Conquest" was coming.  Let us hope Fox lets Thompson do it!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 7:59:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 What seems cool to me is that Thompson seems to want to do it. That's at
least half the battle, er, conquest.

                                                                        -
- - - - Jeff K.



Well, here's one reason to hope that they taste of the public at large isn't
the same as mine and the new film goes on to make a monkey-shitload of money,
then the floodgates of ape goodies may fully flow from the foxy Fox.

-- Rory<.html

She played a human in the capture wagon on the right (screen left) of
Leo (Mark) for approximately 2 seconds. Why have someone in for a
cameo if you miss them when you blink?

--- In pota@y..., "j vb" <boiledkelp@h...> wrote:
>
> Call me blind, but who did linda harrison play? human or ape?
>

Hey Everybody!

[snip]

> special edition planned. Someone brought up that J. Lee

Thompson wants to do

> a director's cut of "Conquest"

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
[snip]
> What seems cool to me is that Thompson seems to want to do it.
That's at least half the battle, er, conquest.

Nice! :-)

Oh, gosh! This is the first I heard that info! My favorite of the
original sequels! That's so cool , it got me to de-lurk!

Oh, BTW [as long as I'm posting] I liked the Burton film. I didn't
mind Walhberg as much as I thought I would. I found myself thinking
about BATTLE several times during the screening.

Best Wishes!
J.

.htmlI saw the movie a second time,and its growing on me cant wait for the sequal!
Though not the worst film ever,but better than whats out right now,Hope it
will kick Rush Hour 2 butt Who knows AMC theatres in az are still selling the
most tickets for Planet apes ,anyone know the totals after the weekend?Also
toys ar us has the electronic ATTARS in if anybodys intrested.Bryan<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:37 PM

Subject: [pota] New Planet apes seen twice

I saw the movie a second time,and its growing on me cant wait for the sequal!
Though not the worst film ever,but better than whats out right now,Hope it
will kick Rush Hour 2 butt Who knows AMC theatres in az are still selling the
most tickets for Planet apes ,anyone know the totals after the weekend?Also
toys ar us has the electronic ATTARS in if anybodys intrested.Bryan

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 8:11:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
andygarringer@... writes:

She played a human in the capture wagon on the right (screen left) of
Leo (Mark) for approximately 2 seconds. Why have someone in for a
cameo if you miss them when you blink?

I'll tell ya why they had her in there....to get curiousity seekers.She was
just used to get people in to see the movie, regardless of screen time.<.html

> Hey Everybody!
>
> [snip]
> > special edition planned. Someone brought up that J. Lee
> Thompson wants to do
> > a director's cut of "Conquest"
>

Now that would be cool, I always hated the bogus ending they tacked
onto that movie. The perfect ending is what was originally planned,
Apes opening up an indistrial strength can of whoop ass on the humans
in general and Breck in particular! Vengeance and bloody revolution!
This is also my favorite of the sequels, right up to the point
where Lisa says "no".

Gregg

Hi. Has anyone seen the new POTA Band Aids(they're not actually Band
Aid brand, but adhesive strips)? If so, which national store? I've
checked around. Please lmk, thanks, Barry.

This is cool. Where'd this site come from?

-
- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <michaeld973@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: New Apes Film


> The movie was great. Go to www.planetoftheapesonline.com
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> > mail.mia.bellsouth.net <byruiz@b...> wrote:
> > >Well, I wouldn't mind seeing an ape remake, you can just imagine
> the web
> > >sites exploding on the net on planet of the apes, with sneak peaks
> on
> > >images, wav files, trailers and so on. How awsome that would be!
> >
> >
> > Unless the film turns out to be a load of cack! :-)
> >
> > One of my main fears regarding a possible remake is the prospect of
> all
> > these new "fans". Primarily - think of the collectables market. Ape
> items
> > can be quite expensive these days (they're certainly not getting any
> > cheaper) - imagine the boom in prices if a new film emerged. Fans
> like us
> > ("real" fans if I might be so cynical) who have been collecting all
> along
> > would suddenly become the victims of the hype surrounding a remake.
> Imagine
> > walking into your local comic shop and being confronted with items
> going for
> > twenty quid or something when a year or two before they were
> costing a
> > couple of quid at most and still not shifting any copies.
> >
> > And on another completely different note, but still Ape-related - a
> couple
> > of questions about the computer game. Does anyone know - Is it being
> > designed solely for the PC, or for other formats? And is it being
> designed
> > specifically for use with 3D-accelerated PCs or optional? Any
> answers or
> > indeed any new information at all would be gratefully received. It
> looks
> > like a mouthwatering prospect indeed (here's where someone tells me
> it's
> > been abandoned :-) ).
> >
> > Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:49:51 +1000
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [pota] I'm really disappointed
>
> ...and since it is
> a whole different story line we could see a prequel or sequel paying homage
> to the original (there must be some directors who are fans who are pissed
> off by this re-thinking) make-up, characters and story.

Lets hope they use my novel for that...

M

Hey Brian,
And this is totally off topic, but I saw Jeepers Creepers today. I thought it
was pretty cool and not your typical 'stalk and slash' horror film. There where
some pretty nifty make-up effects in there as well. Congratulations, well done.
Best,
KEN

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 11:02:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tedsallis@... writes:

Now that would be cool, I always hated the bogus ending they tacked
onto that movie. The perfect ending is what was originally planned,
Apes opening up an indistrial strength can of whoop ass on the humans
in general and Breck in particular! Vengeance and bloody revolution!
 This is also my favorite of the sequels, right up to the point
where Lisa says "no".

Gregg

I guess now we could say the apes 'go Thade' on Breck's ass!

One of the things I have taken away from the new picture is now everytime I
get pissed at something, I see Thade throwing his fit.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/2/01 11:53:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lovethatmuff@... writes:

Hi. Has anyone seen the new POTA Band Aids(they're not actually Band
Aid brand, but adhesive strips)? If so, which national store? I've
checked around. Please lmk, thanks, Barry.

lovethatmuff@...?!!!!   I thought a porno site had joined the group!  
What do you need the band aids for?

-- Rory<.html

I'd like to comment on the new film from the viewpoint of both a fan of the
original series and also that of a director. I direct television commercials
and music videos for a living...and I think that many of the things that
Burton did with this film might be overlooked otherwise.

First of all, the way that Burton shaped the performances of the actors
playing ape characters was incredible. Even with the kind apes, such
as Ari there is an "animal" quality to the performance, lurking just underneath
the surface at all times. You are always aware that this is an animal...not
at all like the performances in the originals, where the characters seem
much more like humans in ape costumes. I think this is a bit of genius
on Burton's part.

Keep in mind that this totally relies on performance, rather than technology.
In other words, this could have been done back in 1968, just as easily has
today.

Another high point is Burton's tempered use of special effects. While POTA
has dozens of effects shots within the film, it mainly uses them for very
subtle things, such as digital matte shots to extend the view of Ape
City, or removing the wires that helped the chimp army scurry across
the desert. Most of today's crop of directors would have chosen
to use effects in a much more heavy handed fashion, including many
who would have rendered the apes digitally, like many of the
characters in Episode I.

Homages. Burton pays lots of respect to fans of the original film
by using both famous bits of dialogue and actors in cameos. These
subtle ties to the original are a real treat to movie buffs and fans
of the 1968 classic.

All of which is not to say that the film has no flaws. Certainly it does.
Let's begin with the Leo Davidson character going off on an unauthorized
joy ride that seems totally unmotivated, has his character never
displays this type of reckless decision making again during the movie.

Also, the whole religious aspect of the film seems to have suffered in an
effort to cut the running time back. Attar's decision to turn on Thade
at the end seems a little unmotivated only because there are not
enough clues to his deep religious convictions during the rest
of the film, and because he is not fully aware of what lengths
Thade has taken to cover up the truth.

My guess is that there was more of this type of character development
in the script, but it had to be reduced to cut running time. All too
typical of a mainstream targeted film these days. Perhaps we'll
see some of these deleted scenes on the DVD.

All in all, I think that the film is a rare treat compared to most of the
junk that comes out these days. And I think it compares very well
with the original. In fact, the much stronger performances of the
ape characters nearly makes up for the difference in the quality of
script (when compared to the first POTA). I'd have to rate it nearly
has well made a film has the original.

Now, about that ending...(ha, ha)




Les Rayburn, director
High Noon Films
100 Centerview Drive
Suite 111
Birmingham, AL 35216
(205) 824-8930
(205) 824-8960 FAX

.html wha-wha-WHAAAAT?!!  You've sen it ?  No FAIR!  How'd you swing that?
I've only seen a rough cut back in December.  Can't wait to see the finished project.

Glad you were entertained.

Now, a question on-topic:  Which was more entertaining, Jeepers or Apes?

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Hey Brian,
And this is totally off topic, but I saw Jeepers Creepers today. I thought it
was pretty cool and not your typical 'stalk and slash' horror film. There where
some pretty nifty make-up effects in there as well. Congratulations, well done.
Best,
KEN

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I thought Linda played the first human to get branded after Deana. They
have that thing around her neck and they're getting ready to brand her . . .
Ari comes or something. I just remember seeing that woman and the look of
terror on her face and thinking -- "That's Nova!" -- and I whispered to my
friend she was in the original.

I think she was on more than two seconds.

What -- five?

B.

I agree that the ape characters are very good and that's one point where I
diverge from many of the critics who felt it was hard to "care" for the
characters. I liked the distant quality of the apes, especially Ari. Some
said where's the romantic sparks? But I found Ari's attraction to Leo to be
obvious but unstated and surprisingly moving. I also liked where Thade is
trapped and keeps firing the gun even though it's obviously doing no good.
Other directors would get impatient with that but Burton lets Thade's
thought processes play through.

As I said before I liked Burton's use of the usual summer movie elements of
fx and action. Burton shows consequences in his action instead of giving us
video game violence. And you're right Les about the understated fx. Burton
loves the old school fx and obviously agrees with the idea that just because
you can show anything now adays doesn't mean you have too (contrast this
with the over the top "Mummy Returns").

But.... the script, or what's left of it, is a mess. I'd like to read the
script as well as Broyles' original version. Perhaps Alex can clue us in on
what the movie left out. Maybe the novelization gives clues. As with "Mars
Attacks" Burton seemed to concentrate more on creating a civilization than a
satisfying story. But that's usually a given with him.

Good analysis, Les. Thanks.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Rayburn" <les@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:17 AM
Subject: [pota] New Film from a directors viewpoint


>
> I'd like to comment on the new film from the viewpoint of both a fan of
the
> original series and also that of a director. I direct television
commercials
> and music videos for a living...and I think that many of the things that
> Burton did with this film might be overlooked otherwise.
>
> First of all, the way that Burton shaped the performances of the actors
> playing ape characters was incredible. Even with the kind apes, such
> as Ari there is an "animal" quality to the performance, lurking just
underneath
> the surface at all times. You are always aware that this is an
animal...not
> at all like the performances in the originals, where the characters seem
> much more like humans in ape costumes. I think this is a bit of genius
> on Burton's part.
>
> Keep in mind that this totally relies on performance, rather than
technology.
> In other words, this could have been done back in 1968, just as easily has
> today.
>
> Another high point is Burton's tempered use of special effects. While POTA
> has dozens of effects shots within the film, it mainly uses them for very
> subtle things, such as digital matte shots to extend the view of Ape
> City, or removing the wires that helped the chimp army scurry across
> the desert. Most of today's crop of directors would have chosen
> to use effects in a much more heavy handed fashion, including many
> who would have rendered the apes digitally, like many of the
> characters in Episode I.
>
> Homages. Burton pays lots of respect to fans of the original film
> by using both famous bits of dialogue and actors in cameos. These
> subtle ties to the original are a real treat to movie buffs and fans
> of the 1968 classic.
>
> All of which is not to say that the film has no flaws. Certainly it does.
> Let's begin with the Leo Davidson character going off on an unauthorized
> joy ride that seems totally unmotivated, has his character never
> displays this type of reckless decision making again during the movie.
>
> Also, the whole religious aspect of the film seems to have suffered in an
> effort to cut the running time back. Attar's decision to turn on Thade
> at the end seems a little unmotivated only because there are not
> enough clues to his deep religious convictions during the rest
> of the film, and because he is not fully aware of what lengths
> Thade has taken to cover up the truth.
>
> My guess is that there was more of this type of character development
> in the script, but it had to be reduced to cut running time. All too
> typical of a mainstream targeted film these days. Perhaps we'll
> see some of these deleted scenes on the DVD.
>
> All in all, I think that the film is a rare treat compared to most of the
> junk that comes out these days. And I think it compares very well
> with the original. In fact, the much stronger performances of the
> ape characters nearly makes up for the difference in the quality of
> script (when compared to the first POTA). I'd have to rate it nearly
> has well made a film has the original.
>
> Now, about that ending...(ha, ha)
>
>
>
>
> Les Rayburn, director
> High Noon Films
> 100 Centerview Drive
> Suite 111
> Birmingham, AL 35216
> (205) 824-8930
> (205) 824-8960 FAX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

It's being predicted that "Apes" will lose 50% of it's business this
weekend as other would-be blockbusters have done and make way for "Rush Hour
2". If "Apes" stays at #1 it will be the first movie to stay #1 for 2 weeks
in 2 months.

It looks like Fox will sell "Apes" to itself for TV rights, to be broadcast
in 2004. Movieheadlines.com says the formula is 15% of what a movie grosses
in theatres.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <michaeld973@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: New Apes Film


> The movie was great. Go to www.planetoftheapesonline.com
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> > mail.mia.bellsouth.net <byruiz@b...> wrote:
> > >Well, I wouldn't mind seeing an ape remake, you can just imagine
> the web
> > >sites exploding on the net on planet of the apes, with sneak peaks
> on
> > >images, wav files, trailers and so on. How awsome that would be!
> >
> >
> > Unless the film turns out to be a load of cack! :-)
> >
> > One of my main fears regarding a possible remake is the prospect of
> all
> > these new "fans". Primarily - think of the collectables market. Ape
> items
> > can be quite expensive these days (they're certainly not getting any
> > cheaper) - imagine the boom in prices if a new film emerged. Fans
> like us
> > ("real" fans if I might be so cynical) who have been collecting all
> along
> > would suddenly become the victims of the hype surrounding a remake.
> Imagine
> > walking into your local comic shop and being confronted with items
> going for
> > twenty quid or something when a year or two before they were
> costing a
> > couple of quid at most and still not shifting any copies.
> >
> > And on another completely different note, but still Ape-related - a
> couple
> > of questions about the computer game. Does anyone know - Is it being
> > designed solely for the PC, or for other formats? And is it being
> designed
> > specifically for use with 3D-accelerated PCs or optional? Any
> answers or
> > indeed any new information at all would be gratefully received. It
> looks
> > like a mouthwatering prospect indeed (here's where someone tells me
> it's
> > been abandoned :-) ).
> >
> > Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I loved the make up and sets.I just got the movie tie in book .
It's really good . There is so much they took out even in that . It's
great 'cause you get inside of the characters heads more .There is a
great scean with Attar and Thade they had to through out .

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
> I agree that the ape characters are very good and that's one point
where I
> diverge from many of the critics who felt it was hard to "care" for
the
> characters. I liked the distant quality of the apes, especially
Ari. Some
> said where's the romantic sparks? But I found Ari's attraction to
Leo to be
> obvious but unstated and surprisingly moving. I also liked where
Thade is
> trapped and keeps firing the gun even though it's obviously doing
no good.
> Other directors would get impatient with that but Burton lets
Thade's
> thought processes play through.
>
> As I said before I liked Burton's use of the usual summer movie
elements of
> fx and action. Burton shows consequences in his action instead of
giving us
> video game violence. And you're right Les about the understated fx.
Burton
> loves the old school fx and obviously agrees with the idea that
just because
> you can show anything now adays doesn't mean you have too (contrast
this
> with the over the top "Mummy Returns").
>
> But.... the script, or what's left of it, is a mess. I'd like to
read the
> script as well as Broyles' original version. Perhaps Alex can clue
us in on
> what the movie left out. Maybe the novelization gives clues. As
with "Mars
> Attacks" Burton seemed to concentrate more on creating a
civilization than a
> satisfying story. But that's usually a given with him.
>
> Good analysis, Les. Thanks.
>
>

> - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Rayburn" <les@h...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:17 AM
> Subject: [pota] New Film from a directors viewpoint
>
>
> >
> > I'd like to comment on the new film from the viewpoint of both a
fan of
> the
> > original series and also that of a director. I direct television
> commercials
> > and music videos for a living...and I think that many of the
things that
> > Burton did with this film might be overlooked otherwise.
> >
> > First of all, the way that Burton shaped the performances of the
actors
> > playing ape characters was incredible. Even with the kind apes,
such
> > as Ari there is an "animal" quality to the performance, lurking
just
> underneath
> > the surface at all times. You are always aware that this is an
> animal...not
> > at all like the performances in the originals, where the
characters seem
> > much more like humans in ape costumes. I think this is a bit of
genius
> > on Burton's part.
> >
> > Keep in mind that this totally relies on performance, rather than
> technology.
> > In other words, this could have been done back in 1968, just as
easily has
> > today.
> >
> > Another high point is Burton's tempered use of special effects.
While POTA
> > has dozens of effects shots within the film, it mainly uses them
for very
> > subtle things, such as digital matte shots to extend the view of
Ape
> > City, or removing the wires that helped the chimp army scurry
across
> > the desert. Most of today's crop of directors would have chosen
> > to use effects in a much more heavy handed fashion, including many
> > who would have rendered the apes digitally, like many of the
> > characters in Episode I.
> >
> > Homages. Burton pays lots of respect to fans of the original film
> > by using both famous bits of dialogue and actors in cameos. These
> > subtle ties to the original are a real treat to movie buffs and
fans
> > of the 1968 classic.
> >
> > All of which is not to say that the film has no flaws. Certainly
it does.
> > Let's begin with the Leo Davidson character going off on an
unauthorized
> > joy ride that seems totally unmotivated, has his character never
> > displays this type of reckless decision making again during the
movie.
> >
> > Also, the whole religious aspect of the film seems to have
suffered in an
> > effort to cut the running time back. Attar's decision to turn on
Thade
> > at the end seems a little unmotivated only because there are not
> > enough clues to his deep religious convictions during the rest
> > of the film, and because he is not fully aware of what lengths
> > Thade has taken to cover up the truth.
> >
> > My guess is that there was more of this type of character
development
> > in the script, but it had to be reduced to cut running time. All
too
> > typical of a mainstream targeted film these days. Perhaps we'll
> > see some of these deleted scenes on the DVD.
> >
> > All in all, I think that the film is a rare treat compared to
most of the
> > junk that comes out these days. And I think it compares very well
> > with the original. In fact, the much stronger performances of the
> > ape characters nearly makes up for the difference in the quality
of
> > script (when compared to the first POTA). I'd have to rate it
nearly
> > has well made a film has the original.
> >
> > Now, about that ending...(ha, ha)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Les Rayburn, director
> > High Noon Films
> > 100 Centerview Drive
> > Suite 111
> > Birmingham, AL 35216
> > (205) 824-8930
> > (205) 824-8960 FAX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/3/01 12:25:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 It's being predicted that "Apes" will lose 50% of it's business this
weekend as other would-be blockbusters have done and make way for "Rush Hour
2". If "Apes" stays at #1 it will be the first movie to stay #1 for 2 weeks
in 2 months.

It looks like Fox will sell "Apes" to itself for TV rights, to be broadcast
in 2004. Movieheadlines.com says the formula is 15% of what a movie grosses
in theatres.

                                                                           
 - - - - Jeff K.

I just saw a new ad for Burton's POTA.  Fox is calling it "the planet's #1
movie."  I'd say it's mostly like #2, if you know what I mean.  One of the
critics quoted, Bob Graham of the San Francisco Chronicle, says "It's an
amazing display of imagination with a surprise-punch ending that outdoes the
original."   REALLY?!!!!!
What really pissed me off is that they quote Roger Ebert as saying,
"A surprise ending that I loved."   Did he say that?  I don't remember.  I do
remember that he gave the movie thumbs down on his show, and only two and a
half stars in his print review.  Fox publicity is really pushing it.

Ebert also just gave "Rush Hour 2" only one and a half stars, so we'll see
how POTA does.

Howard Stern on his show this morning predicted APES will keep it's #1
position this weekend.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> Ebert also just gave "Rush Hour 2" only one and a half stars, so

we'll see

> how POTA does.

I'm a big Chris Tucker fan, I like Jackie Chan a lot too, so I am
really looking forward to seeing this tonight. However the trailers
for this suck and really make the movie look like more of the first
movie, which is bad for a comedy. Some of the jokes seem identical to
the first film.

> Howard Stern on his show this morning predicted APES will keep it's

#1

> position this weekend.

This is a tough call. I'd think Rush Hour2 would easily top POTA, due
to the popularity of the first RH. However the fascination and
publicity for POTA still seem to be really strong. It's been 3 years
since Tucker's appeared in a film, so his popularity may have leveled
off a bit. Though I have noticed him appearing a lot in magazines and
TV over the last month.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Will "Apes" be given the bum's "Rush"?

In a message dated 8/3/01 12:25:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 It's being predicted that "Apes" will lose 50% of it's business this
weekend as other would-be blockbusters have done and make way for "Rush Hour
2". If "Apes" stays at #1 it will be the first movie to stay #1 for 2 weeks
in 2 months.

It looks like Fox will sell "Apes" to itself for TV rights, to be broadcast
in 2004. Movieheadlines.com says the formula is 15% of what a movie grosses
in theatres.

                                                                           
 - - - - Jeff K.

I just saw a new ad for Burton's POTA.  Fox is calling it "the planet's #1
movie."  I'd say it's mostly like #2, if you know what I mean.  One of the
critics quoted, Bob Graham of the San Francisco Chronicle, says "It's an
amazing display of imagination with a surprise-punch ending that outdoes the
original."   REALLY?!!!!!
What really pissed me off is that they quote Roger Ebert as saying,
"A surprise ending that I loved."   Did he say that?  I don't remember.  I do
remember that he gave the movie thumbs down on his show, and only two and a
half stars in his print review.  Fox publicity is really pushing it.

Ebert also just gave "Rush Hour 2" only one and a half stars, so we'll see
how POTA does.

Howard Stern on his show this morning predicted APES will keep it's #1
position this weekend.

-- Rory


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I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's rather
quick ?Are is it just me ?

.html I'm currently working on a contract basis at Columbia TriStar. I think the film was offered to them for potential acquisition in this territory. Not sure of the details so please don't quote me.
Jeepers or Apes? Now that is apples and oranges...er, bananas.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

wha-wha-WHAAAAT?!!  You've sen it ?  No FAIR!  How'd you swing that?
I've only seen a rough cut back in December.  Can't wait to see the finished project.

Glad you were entertained.

Now, a question on-topic:  Which was more entertaining, Jeepers or Apes?

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Hey Brian,
And this is totally off topic, but I saw Jeepers Creepers today. I thought it
was pretty cool and not your typical 'stalk and slash' horror film. There where
some pretty nifty make-up effects in there as well. Congratulations, well done.
Best,
KEN

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Jeff

I'm not fingering you as the naysayer, I like the points you made and I
respect everyone's opinions (well, those who have actually SEEN the movie
that is).

Thanks for the statistics - I really think this will continue (and again I
agree it does not make it a better movie) and POTA will be #1 this year.

Did everyone like the make-up (except Ari)?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2001 8:17
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] I'm really disappointed

Michael - -- -

Well, don't finger me as the naysayer. I said I liked it on it's own terms.
By "subpar" I'm talking script and overall concept. There are those who
think it's better than the original.

The opening take was $68.5 million, down from the $69.5 million Fox
predicted but enough to make it the biggest non-holiday 3-day opening ever
and the 2nd biggest 3-day opening ever (behind "Jurassic Park" 2).

What's a 3-day opening? For example, some movies open on a Wedsday, like
"Star Wars" films, so Wedsday and Thursday are figured into their weekend.
"Jurassic Park 3" opened on Wedsday and did $80 something million on it's
first "weekend". Tomorrow I will explain back-end gross participation.

- - - -
- Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: [pota] I'm really disappointed


> I still have not seen the movie guys!!!
>
> Only seven days to go and I must say I'll probably love it after getting
> used to all this criticism (I'll be expecting something awful and just get
> something bad)!!!
>
> I like the points you made here Jeff but I must say I hope this Burton
> effort is better than Time of the Apes. It should also be better than one
> or 2 of the TV episodes. Hell, it may be better than Battle and since it
is
> a whole different story line we could see a prequel or sequel paying
homage
> to the original (there must be some directors who are fans who are pissed
> off by this re-thinking) make-up, characters and story.
>
> Also, wouldn't we EXPECT this to be subpar - nearly everything since the
> original has been.
>
> Oh, and I still have not had the ending spoiled for me (although some
> newcomers to the group did not know to mention "spoilers" and it came very
> close!!
>
> Did I hear it grossed $170 Mil in the first week, second highest ever?
Can
> anyone confirm?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2001 3:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed
>
> Well, I don't buy that "they made it for us and we better like it
stuff".
> They made it to capitalize on a previous film series so they know going in
> there's going to be comparisons. I've been one of the new film's boosters
to
> an extent, but there's no getting around it: it was rushed and it's
sloppy.
> Fox has spat on "Apes" all along. It took years for Jacobs to get them to
> make it, they do, make a lot of money, then nickel and dime the sequels to
> death. They reap the rewards of Tv shows, merchandising and then rip off
> Jacobs' widow. After all these years of fans saying "We want more" they
> finally get the picture and then almost disown the originals, disallowing
> pictures in books designed to celebrate the originals, shelving the video
> game because it might confuse the the kiddies that there's some other
> version besides the new one, and then deliver a subpar, yes, SUBPAR, movie
> and then think the big opening is their work, not the result of goodwill
> from the originals.
>
> I agree, sometimes the e-mails here get grumpy and cynical, but
personally
> I'm kinda enjoying seeing Fox get their lumps.
>
> - - -
-
> Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <danpiercy@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:42 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: I'm really disappointed
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., dotenj@c... wrote:
> >
> > > I'm really disappointed - in you guys. Can't please anybody these
> > days. Everywhere you go the fan boys hate everything that they
> > eagerly waited for and wanted it's getting pretty tiring having such
> > a bunch of sour monkeys around..... Guess the next thing to hate is
> > Lord of the Rings - Jeff Doten
> >
> > me:
> >
> > I liked the movie and I'm going to see it a few more times as well.
> > However it's too easy to pick apart, I can see why people hate it. It
> > appears like safe Hollywood dreck in a lot of ways and just a mess in
> > others. But again I liked it!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] HEY BRIAN, WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE PEEPERS?

I'm currently working on a contract basis at Columbia TriStar. I think the film was offered to them for potential acquisition in this territory. Not sure of the details so please don't quote me.
Jeepers or Apes? Now that is apples and oranges...er, bananas.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

wha-wha-WHAAAAT?!!  You've sen it ?  No FAIR!  How'd you swing that?
I've only seen a rough cut back in December.  Can't wait to see the finished project.

Glad you were entertained.

Now, a question on-topic:  Which was more entertaining, Jeepers or Apes?

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Hey Brian,
And this is totally off topic, but I saw Jeepers Creepers today. I thought it
was pretty cool and not your typical 'stalk and slash' horror film. There where
some pretty nifty make-up effects in there as well. Congratulations, well done.
Best,
KEN

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They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have a script
yet. They never learn.

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CrystalRoses16@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal


> I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
> will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's rather
> quick ?Are is it just me ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>