.htmlIn a message dated 8/3/01 6:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

- I really think this will continue (and again I
agree it does not make it a better movie) and POTA will be #1 this year.

Did everyone like the make-up (except Ari)?

Michael

Well, believe it or not, I made a prediction to someone here in the group
that APES would be #1 at the box-office for three weekends in a row.  But now
I don't think so because the movie is really only mediocre at best, and I
think the general word-of-mouth will be bad.  It might pull it off this
weekend, but I wouldn't bet on it.  Still, I hope it does do well.

-- Rory<.html

* Sigh * I hope they don't put a date relese for the sequal .But
what are the odds .

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
> They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have a
script
> yet. They never learn.
>
>
- -
> - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CrystalRoses16@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
> Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal
>
>
> > I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
> > will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's
rather
> > quick ?Are is it just me ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

.htmlIn a message dated 8/3/01 6:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

- I really think this will continue (and again I
agree it does not make it a better movie) and POTA will be #1 this year.

Did everyone like the make-up (except Ari)?

Michael

Oh, yeah -- the make-up.   All in all I'd have to say I like the original
make-up designs better.  I prefer my Boullian apes civilized, not the more
animal types they are in this film.

-- Rory<.html

I think it will still make money for a while yet .Mostly from the
younger audince who will wan't to see it two are three more times .I
wan't to see it a coupel more times my self . The movie is starting
to grow on me .But come on Rick Backer and Tim Roth saved the film .

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/3/01 6:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
> > - I really think this will continue (and again I
> > agree it does not make it a better movie) and POTA will be #1
this year.
> >
> > Did everyone like the make-up (except Ari)?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> Well, believe it or not, I made a prediction to someone here in the
group
> that APES would be #1 at the box-office for three weekends in a
row. But now
> I don't think so because the movie is really only mediocre at best,
and I
> think the general word-of-mouth will be bad. It might pull it off
this
> weekend, but I wouldn't bet on it. Still, I hope it does do well.
>
> -- Rory

.htmlIn a message dated 8/3/01 8:18:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
les@... writes:

First of all, the way that Burton shaped the performances of the actors
playing ape characters was incredible. Even with the kind apes, such
as Ari there is an "animal" quality to the performance, lurking just
underneath
the surface at all times. You are always aware that this is an animal...not
at all like the performances in the originals, where the characters seem
much more like humans in ape costumes. I think this is a bit of genius
on Burton's part.

Keep in mind that this totally relies on performance, rather than
technology.
In other words, this could have been done back in 1968, just as easily has
today.

I think you miss the point of Boulle's conception.  The apes aren't supposed
to be animals -- they're supposed to be 'civilized' like men.  In fact, they
ARE supposed to be men.  The whole idea is to create an allegory on the
pomposity of man thinking he's better than any other animal just because he
has a certain level of intelligence.  By any quirk of evolution intellectual
self-awareness could have easily come to reside in some other creature, such
as the other great apes.

By making the apes more like animals, the new movie subverts Boulle's
original intent and it is for this reason that I hate the new film.  It's
been made by people who have a vastly different agenda then remaining
faithful to what Boulle or even Serling or Wilson intended.

Some can just except it for what it is and enjoy it on that level.  I just
can't.  I really wanted more sophistication in the new approach, and it's
just not there.   There just isn't really anything in the new film for me to
like, except that people are for the moment paying more attention to the 1968
film, which is my favorite movie.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlI loved the makeup so well I seen the movie twice! Bryan<.html

.htmlThats the headline in Phx Paper today.Of 1,544 readers responding to a
usaToday.com query 48 percent did not get the finale.Not to be coy but that
is for everyone to try and figure out"said producer Richard Zanuck.It goes on
to say it has a what goes around comes around structure.Burton says the story
line ties in to the original 1968 film.They also mention that some fans
believe that the planet is earth way way back and the space station fell
thousands of years before Wahlberg.Could have some similar direction of
escape from planet but backwards any thoughts Bryan<.html

APEMANIA did a spot for British televsion today and we wound up at the Hard
Rock Cafe (Universal Citywalk) for food drinks and laughs afterwords, and
lo-and-behold ICEMAN (a guy named Salem) from the new X-Man film hung with us
all evening. He says they are doing #2 right now, and 3 and 4 will be right
behind it. You gotta love it! Finally, Hollywood is realizing that there is a
market in super hero films. Good or bad, I love it!

Brian

Oh, and by the by, the most common comment made to us apes tonight was "your
film was so much better."




Jack Krueger wrote:

> They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have a script
> yet. They never learn.
>
> - -
> - - Jeff K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CrystalRoses16@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
> Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal
>
> > I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
> > will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's rather
> > quick ?Are is it just me ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Dear 'CrystalRoses',
I know this has been raised before, and PLEASE do not be offended but could
you read over your posts before you post them? There are numerous typos often
making it difficult to understand the gist of some of your posts.

"But come on Rick Backer and Tim Roth saved the film ."

I'm a lousy speller myself, and probably wouldn't even leave posts if I
didn't have 'spell check'. Once again, It is not my intention to offend
anybody as all are welcome to contribute. Not that I even do much of that
myself.
Best,
KEN

CrystalRoses16@... wrote:

> I think it will still make money for a while yet .Mostly from the
> younger audince who will wan't to see it two are three more times .I
> wan't to see it a coupel more times my self . The movie is starting
> to grow on me .But come on Rick Backer and Tim Roth saved the film .
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/3/01 6:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > whitty@c... writes:
> >
> >
> > > - I really think this will continue (and again I
> > > agree it does not make it a better movie) and POTA will be #1
> this year.
> > >
> > > Did everyone like the make-up (except Ari)?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well, believe it or not, I made a prediction to someone here in the
> group
> > that APES would be #1 at the box-office for three weekends in a
> row. But now
> > I don't think so because the movie is really only mediocre at best,
> and I
> > think the general word-of-mouth will be bad. It might pull it off
> this
> > weekend, but I wouldn't bet on it. Still, I hope it does do well.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>

.html So call me a turn-coat. After the new movie..I don't feel so guilty.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

Columbia? Now you get back to Fox and work on them to do the director's cut of "Conquest"! Have 'em do it for Australia or something. March!                                    - - - - Jeff K.  

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] HEY BRIAN, WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE PEEPERS?

 I'm currently working on a contract basis at Columbia TriStar. I think the film was offered to them for potential acquisition in this territory. Not sure of the details so please don't quote me.
Jeepers or Apes? Now that is apples and oranges...er, bananas.
Best,
KEN

Brian wrote:

wha-wha-WHAAAAT?!!  You've sen it ?  No FAIR!  How'd you swing that?
I've only seen a rough cut back in December.  Can't wait to see the finished project.

Glad you were entertained.

Now, a question on-topic:  Which was more entertaining, Jeepers or Apes?

B

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

Hey Brian,
And this is totally off topic, but I saw Jeepers Creepers today. I thought it
was pretty cool and not your typical 'stalk and slash' horror film. There where
some pretty nifty make-up effects in there as well. Congratulations, well done.
Best,
KEN

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/4/01 12:44:33 AM Central Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

.Burton says the story line ties in to the original 1968 film.

If he really means that, that boy is trippin'.
<.html

Sounds like you had fun! (-: Mabey theres hope yet .

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> APEMANIA did a spot for British televsion today and we wound up at
the Hard
> Rock Cafe (Universal Citywalk) for food drinks and laughs
afterwords, and
> lo-and-behold ICEMAN (a guy named Salem) from the new X-Man film
hung with us
> all evening. He says they are doing #2 right now, and 3 and 4 will
be right
> behind it. You gotta love it! Finally, Hollywood is realizing
that there is a
> market in super hero films. Good or bad, I love it!
>
> Brian
>
> Oh, and by the by, the most common comment made to us apes tonight
was "your
> film was so much better."
>
>
>
>
> Jack Krueger wrote:
>
> > They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have
a script
> > yet. They never learn.
> >
>
>
- -
> > - - Jeff K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <CrystalRoses16@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
> > Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal
> >
> > > I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That
it
> > > will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's
rather
> > > quick ?Are is it just me ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

That's hilarious, Brian. But as for "X-Men", it's just what I said. One
right after the other doesn't bode well for scripts. Maybe in the real
world, but not with all the interference corporations give. And "Apes" is
going to fit that pattern. Joel Schumacher better start reading Boulle's
book.

- - - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Movie Sequal


> APEMANIA did a spot for British televsion today and we wound up at the
Hard
> Rock Cafe (Universal Citywalk) for food drinks and laughs afterwords, and
> lo-and-behold ICEMAN (a guy named Salem) from the new X-Man film hung with
us
> all evening. He says they are doing #2 right now, and 3 and 4 will be
right
> behind it. You gotta love it! Finally, Hollywood is realizing that there
is a
> market in super hero films. Good or bad, I love it!
>
> Brian
>
> Oh, and by the by, the most common comment made to us apes tonight was
"your
> film was so much better."
>
>
>
>
> Jack Krueger wrote:
>
> > They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have a
script
> > yet. They never learn.
> >
>
- -
> > - - Jeff K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <CrystalRoses16@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
> > Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal
> >
> > > I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
> > > will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's rather
> > > quick ?Are is it just me ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlWe shall see,Maybe he wants to trip us up on purpose?I will definitely want a
sequal to this movie!Bryan<.html

<< Thats the headline in Phx Paper today.Of 1,544 readers responding to a
usaToday.com query 48 percent did not get the finale.Not to be coy but that
is for everyone to try and figure out"said producer Richard Zanuck.It goes
on
to say it has a what goes around comes around structure.Burton says the
story
line ties in to the original 1968 film.They also mention that some fans
believe that the planet is earth way way back and the space station fell
thousands of years before Wahlberg.Could have some similar direction of
escape from planet but backwards any thoughts Bryan >>

I thought that it was a cute way to give a slight tie-in to the original
story line, maybe Apes as seen sometime shortly after "Conquest" had taken
over Washington, DC... I liked, the movie was awesome, seen it twice and will
be going back to see it sometime next week.

Loved all the main characters Leo and Ari were a very interesting couple, Tim
did a great job not making it seen freaky. Loved everyone. Ahhh bring on the
sequel to the re-imagining of a film classic! :)

Have bought the adult novelization (which I will read after I finish the P.B.
novel. Anyone read the novelization yet?

Chad, who thinks the Ari figure is awful looking and Helena should sue.

Heaven forbid!
If Joel Schumacher got the sequel gig, it would be the end of civilization as we
know it.

Jack Krueger wrote:

> That's hilarious, Brian. But as for "X-Men", it's just what I said. One
> right after the other doesn't bode well for scripts. Maybe in the real
> world, but not with all the interference corporations give. And "Apes" is
> going to fit that pattern. Joel Schumacher better start reading Boulle's
> book.
>
> - - - - -
> Jeff K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Movie Sequal
>
> > APEMANIA did a spot for British televsion today and we wound up at the
> Hard
> > Rock Cafe (Universal Citywalk) for food drinks and laughs afterwords, and
> > lo-and-behold ICEMAN (a guy named Salem) from the new X-Man film hung with
> us
> > all evening. He says they are doing #2 right now, and 3 and 4 will be
> right
> > behind it. You gotta love it! Finally, Hollywood is realizing that there
> is a
> > market in super hero films. Good or bad, I love it!
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Oh, and by the by, the most common comment made to us apes tonight was
> "your
> > film was so much better."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack Krueger wrote:
> >
> > > They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have a
> script
> > > yet. They never learn.
> > >
> >
> - -
> > > - - Jeff K.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <CrystalRoses16@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
> > > Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal
> > >
> > > > I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
> > > > will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's rather
> > > > quick ?Are is it just me ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlClick here: Ape City

Here's a site I've just discovered.  Anybody else know of this?

-- Rory <.html

.html Yeah It's Andrew Parmet's old SPLEENWORLD site, revamped.

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 Click here: Ape City

Here's a site I've just discovered.  Anybody else know of this?

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

I saw the new "Starlog" with the Natalie Trundy interview (5 pages, more
than alotted to Burton's girlfriend Lisa Marie!). I picked out the pictures
and they chose the ones they wanted. Not all of my faves are in there but
there's the picture of us on the Statue of Liberty beach a la "the
unofficial companion", 2 pictures with Bill Blake (one that includes John
Chambers, which is cool), and a whole slew of just plain Natalie pictures,
including one with Mother Teresa, the Halloween one I've mentioned before
(Jacobs as Dr. Dolittle, Nat as Zira), and others. I'm also pleased that
they took my advice and mentioned the neglect Jacobs has gotten over this
new movie thing.

Also saw Joe Russo's book in the store and was floored by the photos. That
book is a treasure. Joe asked me to write a release slip for the pics that
Natalie signed so he was able to use photos denied other books and he'd got
them from Jacobs' archives. Lots of candid stuff, it has to be seen to be
believed.

And there's a very nice "making of" book for the new movie that's out too.
It looks like the new merchandise is slow in arriving but there's plenty to
read.

-
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Movie Sequal


> Heaven forbid!
> If Joel Schumacher got the sequel gig, it would be the end of civilization
as we
> know it.
>
> Jack Krueger wrote:
>
> > That's hilarious, Brian. But as for "X-Men", it's just what I said.
One
> > right after the other doesn't bode well for scripts. Maybe in the real
> > world, but not with all the interference corporations give. And "Apes"
is
> > going to fit that pattern. Joel Schumacher better start reading Boulle's
> > book.
> >
>
> - - - -
-
> > Jeff K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Movie Sequal
> >
> > > APEMANIA did a spot for British televsion today and we wound up at the
> > Hard
> > > Rock Cafe (Universal Citywalk) for food drinks and laughs afterwords,
and
> > > lo-and-behold ICEMAN (a guy named Salem) from the new X-Man film hung
with
> > us
> > > all evening. He says they are doing #2 right now, and 3 and 4 will be
> > right
> > > behind it. You gotta love it! Finally, Hollywood is realizing that
there
> > is a
> > > market in super hero films. Good or bad, I love it!
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Oh, and by the by, the most common comment made to us apes tonight was
> > "your
> > > film was so much better."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack Krueger wrote:
> > >
> > > > They're planning "X-Men 2" for next year and they don't even have a
> > script
> > > > yet. They never learn.
> > > >
> > >
> > - -
> > > > - - Jeff K.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <CrystalRoses16@...>
> > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:54 PM
> > > > Subject: [pota] Movie Sequal
> > > >
> > > > > I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
> > > > > will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's
rather
> > > > > quick ?Are is it just me ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> I think it's more plausible that Thade resurrects Leo's ship than builds
> his own.

Even more plausible that Thade flies out my butt.

Sorry. Couldn't help it . . .

In pota@y..., Philip Nobile <pjn1209@e..., Wrote:

"Even more plausible that Thade flies out my butt."
____________________

Phil--

You have a CGI butt?

(lol)

Haristas@... wrote:

>
> just making money off crap seems to be more and more what
> the
> Hollywood studios are all about.

Funny thing is, this film came from a studio that had the balls to
release "Fight Club", about as anti-commercial a film as you can make
and still have Brad Pitt in it . . .

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> coveted teenage boys).

Doesn't typing "coveted teenage boys" online immediately put you on some
sort of FBI list?

.htmlAnyone know how apes is doing against Rush Hour 2?Or will we have to wait
until monday.Bryan<.html

In a message dated 08/05/2001 12:22:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< Haristas@... wrote:

>
> just making money off crap seems to be more and more what
> the
> Hollywood studios are all about.

Funny thing is, this film came from a studio that had the balls to
release "Fight Club", about as anti-commercial a film as you can make
and still have Brad Pitt in it . . . >>

Oh!!! I thought "Fight Club" was crap! Had that Carter woman in it, too,
didn't it?

CRAP is king!!!! Long live the king!!

-- Rory

Okay folks, here's the numbers for the weekend. . . .

"Rush Hour 2" has made an incredible $66.8 Million!!!! (I didn't go see it
this weekend, by the way)

"Planet of the Apes" has dropped to number two at the boxoffice with $28.5
million this weekend, which is pretty good given all the bad reviews it got.

I was at the movies this afternoon and stuck my head into a 1:40 pm showing
of POTA and the theatre was full. What I'm hearing from friends is that the
kids love the movie, but adults pretty much think it's stupid.

POTA's 10-day total is $124.7 million!!!!

I think we all can pretty much expect that there will be a sequel, but please
mighty Lawgiver, next time give us a better picture!!! Please, O'
Lawgiver! Pleeeeease!!

-- Rory (on his hands and knees in front of his Medicom Lawgiver)

I guess that's the right message. People want to see "Planet of the Apes"
movies but weren't satisfied with this one. Though I wish it had been #1. No
movie really took the box office. "Shrek" did well but it had all summer.

Now let's see how "lord of the Rings" and "Harry Potter" do. If I see
another "Harry Potter" billboard I'm going to vomit! They're everywhere and
the movie's 3 months away.

-
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: [pota] Burton's POTA vs. Rush Hour 2


> Okay folks, here's the numbers for the weekend. . . .
>
> "Rush Hour 2" has made an incredible $66.8 Million!!!! (I didn't go see
it
> this weekend, by the way)
>
> "Planet of the Apes" has dropped to number two at the boxoffice with $28.5
> million this weekend, which is pretty good given all the bad reviews it
got.
>
> I was at the movies this afternoon and stuck my head into a 1:40 pm
showing
> of POTA and the theatre was full. What I'm hearing from friends is that
the
> kids love the movie, but adults pretty much think it's stupid.
>
> POTA's 10-day total is $124.7 million!!!!
>
> I think we all can pretty much expect that there will be a sequel, but
please
> mighty Lawgiver, next time give us a better picture!!! Please, O'
> Lawgiver! Pleeeeease!!
>
> -- Rory (on his hands and knees in front of his Medicom Lawgiver)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Did we locate any Band Aids?

That really is a dirty user name you've got there Barry!!!!

Michael

.html <.html .html
_________

I'm glade the movie is out and has
mixed reviwes . Since it made a lot of money and it was mosre then
likely written for sequals . Then Apes is here to stay for a whiel
hophely . >>

Maybe Chrissy, Maybe not!
Apes' box-office dropped significantly this weekend.
So, wether you liked it or not, if you folks want to see more, or better Apes,
I suggest this is the week to see it again. Particularly this weekend.

In a message dated 8/2/01 11:19:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Lisa Marie asks Burton why he wanted the she-chimps to be attractive. He
said when he was a teen he and some classmates won $50 in a van -painting
contest and he received a kiss from Dr. Zira. That could be none other than
Paula Crist, Bill Blake's partner, during one of their shows in the '70's >>

Had to be. Someone said, quoting a Rick Baker article, that it was Kim
Hunter. But the article only says he had a crush on Kim Hunter. Kim said it
wasn't her. It didn't sound like something she would do. And the studio is
not going to send their stars to present a fifty dollar prize at a van
painting contest.

In a message dated 8/2/01 12:08:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< They reap the rewards of Tv shows, merchandising >>

Medicoms those toys are not!
To paraphrase John Lennon, I wouldn't touch them with a plastic fishing rod.
I refuse to put something in my collection that doesn't actually look like
what it's supposed to be! Apologies to Hasbro, Mattel and their collectors.

In a message dated 8/2/01 3:41:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
boiledkelp@... writes:

<< we won't have a really, really
a$$-kicking POTA series. >>

Don't give up hope entirely.
Some sequels improve on the first one.
T2 comes to mind.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/2/01 3:41:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
> boiledkelp@... writes:
>
> << we won't have a really, really
> a$$-kicking POTA series. >>
>
> Don't give up hope entirely.
> Some sequels improve on the first one.
> T2 comes to mind.

Arnold and his kid sidekick? The thumbs up ending? Hasta la vista
baby?

<< I like the points you made here Jeff but I must say I hope this Burton
effort is better than Time of the Apes. It should also be better than one
or 2 of the TV episodes. Hell, it may be better than Battle and since it is
a whole different story line we could see a prequel or sequel paying homage
to the original (there must be some directors who are fans who are pissed
off by this re-thinking) make-up, characters and story. >>

I like your attitude Mike! It's really not bad. It's just not great. I got
what I expected, just not what I wanted. By the way. What ever happened to
the undubbed Mad Max?

In a message dated 8/3/01 1:47:05 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< What really pissed me off is that they quote Roger Ebert as saying,
"A surprise ending that I loved." Did he say that? I don't remember. >>

The other guy Roper said it. He gave it a thumbs up.
At least he disagrees with Ebert. Since the death of Gene, too often the new
guy just goes along with whatever Roger says, though I have to agree with him
on this one.

Damn, first Apes, now another of my fave genre films is being remade.
Dawn of the Dead just hired a screenwriter. Wah.

Naw, there'll be a sequel to "Apes", there'll be a "Rush Hour 3" "Jurassic
Park 4", "Tomb Raider 2", etc. If they open big and then drop (like "X-Men")
they figure they'll try, try again.

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Thade -- cover boy!


> I'm glade the movie is out and has
> mixed reviwes . Since it made a lot of money and it was mosre then
> likely written for sequals . Then Apes is here to stay for a whiel
> hophely . >>
>
> Maybe Chrissy, Maybe not!
> Apes' box-office dropped significantly this weekend.
> So, wether you liked it or not, if you folks want to see more, or better
Apes,
> I suggest this is the week to see it again. Particularly this weekend.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

No, Baker said, in "Makeup Artist Magazine", that Burton must have had a
crush on Zira in the movies. But this makes even more sense. Kim Hunter
barely makes appearances as herself, let alone as Zira. It was Paula Crist.
And now Bill is in the new "Starlog", 1 page away from Lisa Marie's
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Bill Blake creates a monster


> In a message dated 8/2/01 11:19:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << Lisa Marie asks Burton why he wanted the she-chimps to be attractive.
He
> said when he was a teen he and some classmates won $50 in a van -painting
> contest and he received a kiss from Dr. Zira. That could be none other
than
> Paula Crist, Bill Blake's partner, during one of their shows in the '70's
>>
>
> Had to be. Someone said, quoting a Rick Baker article, that it was Kim
> Hunter. But the article only says he had a crush on Kim Hunter. Kim said
it
> wasn't her. It didn't sound like something she would do. And the studio
is
> not going to send their stars to present a fifty dollar prize at a van
> painting contest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey, "thumbs up" is done to death in this movie, too.

- - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] we won't have a really, really a$$-kicking POTA series.


> LordTZer0@... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 8/2/01 3:41:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > boiledkelp@... writes:
> >
> > << we won't have a really, really
> > a$$-kicking POTA series. >>
> >
> > Don't give up hope entirely.
> > Some sequels improve on the first one.
> > T2 comes to mind.
>
> Arnold and his kid sidekick? The thumbs up ending? Hasta la vista
> baby?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

How about this one: "The Prisoner", written by the hacks who wrote "Apes"
and directed by the guy who did "Tomb Raider". Is nothing sacred? Who's
going to remake "Citizen
- - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:04 AM
Subject: [pota] Remaking me sick


> Damn, first Apes, now another of my fave genre films is being remade.
> Dawn of the Dead just hired a screenwriter. Wah.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:37 AM

Subject: [pota] Rush Hour vrs Planet apes

Anyone know how apes is doing against Rush Hour 2?Or will we have to wait
until monday.Bryan

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Ape City

Yeah It's Andrew Parmet's old SPLEENWORLD site, revamped.

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 Click here: Ape City

Here's a site I've just discovered.  Anybody else know of this?

-- Rory
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 9:41:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

I'm glade the movie is out and has
mixed reviwes . Since it made a lot of money and it was mosre then
likely written for sequals . Then Apes is here to stay for a whiel
hophely .  >>

Maybe Chrissy, Maybe not!
Apes' box-office dropped significantly this weekend.
So, wether you liked it or not, if you folks want to see more, or better
Apes,
I suggest this is the week to see it again. Particularly this weekend.

I think it would be a good idea if Fox starting running TV commercials again
-- new ones!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 11:13:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

Damn, first Apes, now another of my fave genre films is being remade.
Dawn of the Dead just hired a screenwriter.  Wah.

Yeah, I wonder if the remake of "The Time Machine" will be any good.  They've
gutted "Rollerball" and puched it's release back until February, so you know
that'll suck!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 12:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Naw, there'll be a sequel to "Apes", there'll be a "Rush Hour 3" "Jurassic
Park 4", "Tomb Raider 2", etc. If they open big and then drop (like "X-Men")
they figure they'll try, try again.

                                                                        - -
- - Jeff K.

Well, I think the big opening weekend proved that the current movie-going
public wants to see a cool PLANET OF THE APES movie.   Now, if Fox could just
get one made!  That's the hard part, I guess.  Eight years in development and
this is what we end up with.  What do you think they'll produce in two or
three years?!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 1:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"Apes" had the biggest opening ever in Mexico, even beating "The Phantom
Menace" and was Fox's biggest opening ever in Brazil. News tends to obsess
on how films do in the U.S. but the important thing is how it does
everywhere. It ain't over 'til it's over.

                                                                      - -
- - Jeff K.



Oh, there's no doubt this film is a hit.  I'll bet there's a lot of
back-slapping going on at Fox.  I'll bet the movie goes over $200 million in
another ten days, and if not that then certainly by the end of the month.  
Then think of the money that will be made on the DVD sales and rentals.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 1:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"Apes" had the biggest opening ever in Mexico, even beating "The Phantom
Menace" and was Fox's biggest opening ever in Brazil. News tends to obsess
on how films do in the U.S. but the important thing is how it does
everywhere. It ain't over 'til it's over.

                                                                      - -
- - Jeff K.



By the way, what's the name of the guy who's the big APES fan in Brazil and
has that fan club?  I believe you showed him around L.A., Jeff.   Also, has
anyone heard or read what Eric Greene thinks of the new movie?   (Not much,
I'll bet.)

-- Rory<.html

Get used to it kiddies.

I think Roger Waters summed it up to say "This species has amused itself to
death".

Originality is becoming more and more scarce.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nobile [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 1:04
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Remaking me sick

Damn, first Apes, now another of my fave genre films is being remade.
Dawn of the Dead just hired a screenwriter. Wah.

T

I am going to walk across the ocean and hand deliver Max I think.

I have now sent 2.

Yesterday I received a package from Alex that he sent Friday!!!!

Give Max a bit longer and then I'll send another one via courier (that Max
just won't do what he's told!!!).

Off topic? No - Mel has been reputed to have attempted breeding with a
chimpanzee after a bender......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 0:28
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] I'm really disappointed

<< I like the points you made here Jeff but I must say I hope this Burton
effort is better than Time of the Apes. It should also be better than one
or 2 of the TV episodes. Hell, it may be better than Battle and since it is
a whole different story line we could see a prequel or sequel paying homage
to the original (there must be some directors who are fans who are pissed
off by this re-thinking) make-up, characters and story. >>

I like your attitude Mike! It's really not bad. It's just not great. I
got
what I expected, just not what I wanted. By the way. What ever happened to
the undubbed Mad Max?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 7:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Drop, Smop

In a message dated 8/6/01 12:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Naw, there'll be a sequel to "Apes", there'll be a "Rush Hour 3" "Jurassic
Park 4", "Tomb Raider 2", etc. If they open big and then drop (like "X-Men")
they figure they'll try, try again.

                                                                        - -
- - Jeff K.

Well, I think the big opening weekend proved that the current movie-going
public wants to see a cool PLANET OF THE APES movie.   Now, if Fox could just
get one made!  That's the hard part, I guess.  Eight years in development and
this is what we end up with.  What do you think they'll produce in two or
three years?!!!

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 6:57
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] 2 years 'til another "Apes", but...

  The title of "Star Wars: Episode 2" has officially been announced. It's "Attack of the Clones" (or is that the official title of the summer movie season?). I would have preferred "Send in the Clones".

 

 Off topic? Well, 20th Century Fox releases both "Star Wars" and "Apes". So there!                                       - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Ape City

Yeah It's Andrew Parmet's old SPLEENWORLD site, revamped.

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 Click here: Ape City

Here's a site I've just discovered.  Anybody else know of this?

-- Rory
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 5:29:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Get used to it kiddies.

I think Roger Waters summed it up to say "This species has amused itself to
death".

Originality is becoming more and more scarce.

Michael

You know I seem to remember Boulle mentioning something like this in his book
to explain the mental apathy and lack of originality that began to plague man
and that eventually led to the domesticated house apes just taking over on
the planet Soror.

Hey, maybe this remake thing isn't so bad after all!!!  Now, if we can just
get some scientists to genetically enhance apes so they'll breed at a faster
rate.....

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 5:32:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Rory

How would you approach a new POTA project?

I guess the obvious answer is to remake the Boulle novel using original
makeup but with animatronics on the faces for more expression and a few
Jar-Jar Binks animated characters/lip movements.

Ideas anyone?

Michael


Well, that's what I would have done in the first place, as well as hire truly
intelligent screenwriters that could provide sophisticated dialogue.  But
this isn't what Fox wanted.  They wanted a kiddies film and that's what they
got -- and I'll bet they're happy with it.  I'M SURE it would make Boulle
vomit!!

But as for a sequel. . . .  I think Fox has put itself in a corner.  How do
they straighten out the mess they've made with this new movie?

Michael, it hasn't opened yet in Australia, right?    I can't wait to hear
what you think when you see it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlI just got an e-mail from Amazon.com telling me they just shipped the "Behind
the Planet of the Apes" special edition DVD to me today.

Joe Russo found it in a store in New Jersey last week and says the outtakes
from PLANET are great, though they have no sound.  You get a real feel for
what they did when the edited the movie.

Hey, has anybody else here got the Russo book yet?

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 8/3/01 3:55:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
CrystalRoses16@... writes:

<< I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That it
will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's rather
quick ?Are is it just me ? >>

A bit quick, but at least it's more time than they gave the first one.

Thank you Mike

Just send it straight to Jeff.
That'll save some time.
I had a chance to see the movie I got you.
But Memphis included last years flyer in my packet.
And when I saw 2 - 5th I thought it was moved back.
So, I missed the first day and that's when it was shown.
Looks like I'll have to break out that LD and head up to the Uni to watch it.



PAX
T

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/3/01 3:55:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> CrystalRoses16@a... writes:
>
> << I keep hering that if they do a sequal for the new movie . That

it

> will be ready for 2003 . Am I the only one who thinks that's

rather

> quick ?Are is it just me ? >>
>
> A bit quick, but at least it's more time than they gave the first

one.

Yah I guess so . To bad they put a date on the first one . Hophely
that won't happen agin ,but I guess we'll just have to wait and see .

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> I'm glade the movie is out and has
> mixed reviwes . Since it made a lot of money and it was mosre then
> likely written for sequals . Then Apes is here to stay for a whiel
> hophely . >>
>
> Maybe Chrissy, Maybe not!
> Apes' box-office dropped significantly this weekend.
> So, wether you liked it or not, if you folks want to see more, or

better Apes,

> I suggest this is the week to see it again. Particularly this

weekend.

I'm gonna try to see it this weekend .Mabey even Wensday .

Hey Brian,
I saw some of your work.
They had a Caesar mannequin at the festival.
Quality craftsmanship.

<< I agree that the ape characters are very good and that's one point where I
diverge from many of the critics who felt it was hard to "care" for the
characters. I liked the distant quality of the apes, especially Ari. Some
said where's the romantic sparks? But I found Ari's attraction to Leo to be
obvious but unstated and surprisingly moving. >>

Hold on there Jeff...I think I have to agree with the critics, at least
partially, though I don't disagree with you. Let me explain. I think even
the critics are in agreement that H B-C's Ari is the standout as far as
characters you can care about. But the whole point of softening her makeup
was so Wahlberg's character would care about her in return. I didn't see it.
I've seen better moves from Roy Orbison. And found his whole "Get me off
this rock Baby, and I'll give ya a kiss." attitude very off-putting.

I agree, Wahlberg was weak. But I looked at this like "Road Warrior"
(though not nearly as good) where the rough existence have hardened the
characters. But a sequel like this will harden "Apes" fans.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] New Film from a directors viewpoint


> << I agree that the ape characters are very good and that's one point
where I
> diverge from many of the critics who felt it was hard to "care" for the
> characters. I liked the distant quality of the apes, especially Ari. Some
> said where's the romantic sparks? But I found Ari's attraction to Leo to
be
> obvious but unstated and surprisingly moving. >>
>
> Hold on there Jeff...I think I have to agree with the critics, at least
> partially, though I don't disagree with you. Let me explain. I think
even
> the critics are in agreement that H B-C's Ari is the standout as far as
> characters you can care about. But the whole point of softening her
makeup
> was so Wahlberg's character would care about her in return. I didn't see
it.
> I've seen better moves from Roy Orbison. And found his whole "Get me off
> this rock Baby, and I'll give ya a kiss." attitude very off-putting.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Remaking me sick

In a message dated 8/6/01 11:13:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

Damn, first Apes, now another of my fave genre films is being remade.
Dawn of the Dead just hired a screenwriter.  Wah.

Yeah, I wonder if the remake of "The Time Machine" will be any good.  They've
gutted "Rollerball" and puched it's release back until February, so you know
that'll suck!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] More lucre

In a message dated 8/6/01 1:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"Apes" had the biggest opening ever in Mexico, even beating "The Phantom
Menace" and was Fox's biggest opening ever in Brazil. News tends to obsess
on how films do in the U.S. but the important thing is how it does
everywhere. It ain't over 'til it's over.

                                                                      - -
- - Jeff K.

By the way, what's the name of the guy who's the big APES fan in Brazil and
has that fan club?  I believe you showed him around L.A., Jeff.   Also, has
anyone heard or read what Eric Greene thinks of the new movie?   (Not much,
I'll bet.)

-- Rory
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In a message dated 8/6/01 8:28:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< He's getting some publicity, doing book signings. >>

Kim confirmed she will be at the book signing.
I wish I could make that one, but Memphis has me tapped out.
What a surreal finish to that one. You cannot imagine.

In a message dated 8/6/01 8:23:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Wahlberg was weak. But I looked at this like "Road Warrior"
(though not nearly as good) where the rough existence have hardened the
characters. >>

I dunno Jeff. He seemed a pretty soft hearted guy disobeying orders, risking
his life and a court-martial for his chimp. And what rough existence? Being
a waiter at a dinner party? Lemme tell ya about the time I delivered pizza
... Now that was a rough existence!

.html What festival?  The New Jersey one?
What work?
What Caesar Mannequin?
Show us some pictures, aye?
B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

Hey Brian,
I saw some of your work.
They had a Caesar mannequin at the festival.
Quality craftsmanship.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:48 PM

Subject: [pota] "Behind" DVD is out!

I just got an e-mail from Amazon.com telling me they just shipped the "Behind
the Planet of the Apes" special edition DVD to me today.

Joe Russo found it in a store in New Jersey last week and says the outtakes
from PLANET are great, though they have no sound.  You get a real feel for
what they did when the edited the movie.

Hey, has anybody else here got the Russo book yet?

-- Rory
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.htmlHey gang,

I have a friend in Australia who just saw Burton's POTA at a preview and I
thought you might be interested in reading his review.  This guy is a
published novelist, so I think he knows how to judge these things.  His
comments I agree with completely.

Rory --

I had the fortune (?) of seeing a POTA preview last night ... and I should
have listened to you.
   I liked the Main Title (and the accompanying music), and I was
entertained by the opening space sequence. It was all downhill from there.
   Tim Burton's utter lack of story sense quickly became evident after the
crash landing. The apes just appear -- no build up, nothing. The gloomy
city set was ugly and claustrophobic (and I usually like that
"studio-bound" feel). The characterizations were all one note. Wahlberg and
the beach babe were completely charmless. The music was dreadfully
uninspired (Williams and Goldsmith have an excuse for getting worse --
they're 70; so what's Elfman's reason?)
   Further, like just about every movie these days, things just happen for
no clear reason. The humans escape and head into the desert (with no
visible provisions) and I'm still not sure why. They find an old speaceship
that's still working. A whole tribe of humans materialize seeming to
worship Wahlberg as a hero. The head gorilla becomes a sensitive new age
ape in a finger snap.
   The Ape Lincoln ending was both ludicrous and inadequately set up.
   In all, a total wash out and another reason for Hollywood to hang its
head in shame.
   


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.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 9:23:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I agree, Wahlberg was weak. But I looked at this like "Road Warrior"
(though not nearly as good) where the rough existence have hardened the
characters. But a sequel like this will harden "Apes" fans.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

A sequel like this will kill POTA for the next 2000 years!

-- Rory K.<.html

How about a Spoiler Alert there Rory.
You're no newbie.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 9:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Well, Rory, at least you have "Journey to the Center of the Earth" from Mr.
Zanuck to look forward to.

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.



Yeah, I can't wait!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 9:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Yeah, Luiz Adami said he liked it. Eric Greene said it had a lot of
problems. But he's like a lot of fans who are making the best of it. He
invited me to an Imax showing of it but I declined. He's getting some
publicity, doing book signings.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.



Eric Greene said it had a lot of problems?!!!!   Understatement from Eric
Greene on the subject of POTA?!!!   SEE WHAT FOX HAS DONE!!!!   GOD DAMN THEM
ALL TO HELL!!!   THEY BLEW IT!!!

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 8/6/01 9:20:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
apeman@... writes:

<< What festival? >>

The one in Memphis.
I'll post some pic whe they're developed.
I'm not fully geared up for the digital age.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 10:19:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:

My apologies if this has been addrssed before, but what exactly is this DVD
"BEHIND"?  Is it the same one that came with the re-releases a few years
ago?  

Also, is the new collection that hits stores August 21 just the same stuff
or does BATTLE contain the bomb footage.

Thanks.

Dan



Image Entertainment is putting out a special edition of the documentary
"Behind the Planet of the Apes" that was seen on AMC and included in the DVD
boxed set of POTA films from Fox.  The special edition will contain extras
such as the complete test film from 1966, outakes and rushes from PLANET, and
on a second disc a two hour interview with the late Roddy McDowall.  (By the
way, Joe Russo says that the people interviewing McDowall didn't know half of
what they should have, and that it was a shame he couldn't have conducted the
interview, but that those who did were just ass-kisser friends of the
producer Kevin Burns).

The APES DVDs coming out on August 21st are just a reissue of the old DVDs.

Remastered DVDs of all the classic APES films, with extras, are probably two
years away.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/6/01 11:03:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

How about a Spoiler Alert there Rory.
You're no newbie.

Oh shit!!   Forgot!    Sorry everybody.<.html

I have to admit to mainly avoiding the list for the last couple of
weeks in case of spoilers, but the general vibe I can feel about the
movie from you guys/girls in the States is not a good one. Over here
in the UK as the release date draws near magazines and newspapers are
starting to go into overdrive promoting the new movie, with
absolutely no mention of the lukewarm reviews Stateside.

I don't know what it is about the UK but we seem to have always
devoured anything PotA (the TV series is a good example), so I'll be
interested to see the reviews it is given this side of the pond.

Daniel

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In a message dated 8/6/01 5:32:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Rory

How would you approach a new POTA project?

I guess the obvious answer is to remake the Boulle novel using original
makeup but with animatronics on the faces for more expression and a few
Jar-Jar Binks animated characters/lip movements.

Ideas anyone?

Michael

Well, that's what I would have done in the first place, as well as hire truly
intelligent screenwriters that could provide sophisticated dialogue.  But
this isn't what Fox wanted.  They wanted a kiddies film and that's what they
got -- and I'll bet they're happy with it.  I'M SURE it would make Boulle
vomit!!

But as for a sequel. . . .  I think Fox has put itself in a corner.  How do
they straighten out the mess they've made with this new movie?

Michael, it hasn't opened yet in Australia, right?    I can't wait to hear
what you think when you see it.

-- Rory
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<.html

Thanks T,

Luckily I guessed and stopped reading.

PHEW!!!! This is getting tough!!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 13:02
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA Spoilers!! don't read that last post Mike!

How about a Spoiler Alert there Rory.
You're no newbie.

Are you cursed T?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 8:34
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] The Road Warrior



Thank you Mike

Just send it straight to Jeff.
That'll save some time.
I had a chance to see the movie I got you.
But Memphis included last years flyer in my packet.
And when I saw 2 - 5th I thought it was moved back.
So, I missed the first day and that's when it was shown.
Looks like I'll have to break out that LD and head up to the Uni to watch
it.



PAX
T

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 13:21
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA Spoilers!! don't read that last post Mike!

In a message dated 8/6/01 11:03:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

How about a Spoiler Alert there Rory.
You're no newbie.

Oh shit!!   Forgot!    Sorry everybody.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

Let us know Daniel.

How is the cricket going?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: daniel225nma@... [daniel225nma@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 16:51
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] UK Awaits PotA

I have to admit to mainly avoiding the list for the last couple of
weeks in case of spoilers, but the general vibe I can feel about the
movie from you guys/girls in the States is not a good one. Over here
in the UK as the release date draws near magazines and newspapers are
starting to go into overdrive promoting the new movie, with
absolutely no mention of the lukewarm reviews Stateside.

I don't know what it is about the UK but we seem to have always
devoured anything PotA (the TV series is a good example), so I'll be
interested to see the reviews it is given this side of the pond.

Daniel

> How is the cricket going?

Cricket? What Cricket Michael!! You must be refering to the Ashes
taking place in another dimension whereby Engaland are crap!

Sorry people... off topic, won't happen again!

Daniel

.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 2:51:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
daniel225nma@... writes:

I don't know what it is about the UK but we seem to have always
devoured anything PotA (the TV series is a good example), so I'll be
interested to see the reviews it is given this side of the pond.

Daniel   

Yes, please give us reports on those.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 3:16:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

It opens in 2 days Rory, but you might be surprised because I am one of the
few people who liked Jar-Jar.

You see, I will be seeing POTA with my 2 kids (6 and 3) who love the idea
of talking monkeys.  The 6 yr old saw Phantom Menace (after watching the
originals and loving them) and loved Binks' antics.  So I guess I'll
probably be happy for the kids.



Mike, just between you and me... I liked Jar-Jar, and found the Phantom
Menace very entertaining.  

You know, as much as I complain about how bad I think the new APES movie is,
I was thinking the other day that there are lots of awful movies that I love,
such as "One Million Years, BC" -- an absolutely terrible film -- but I love
it!

And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of
them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

I guess with POTA the problem is that what appeals to me in the original film
are the more sophisticated aspects and not the more juvenile ones, which is
probably why I find "Battle" nearly unwatchable.  Just a movie with talking
apes isn't enough -- there has to be some thought behind the words.

I really have no problems with those that think the new APES is okay.  I'm
glad some people like it, but as for me I can't wait until it's a distant
memory.

-- Rory <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 21:49
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

In a message dated 8/7/01 3:16:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

It opens in 2 days Rory, but you might be surprised because I am one of the
few people who liked Jar-Jar.

You see, I will be seeing POTA with my 2 kids (6 and 3) who love the idea
of talking monkeys.  The 6 yr old saw Phantom Menace (after watching the
originals and loving them) and loved Binks' antics.  So I guess I'll
probably be happy for the kids.

Mike, just between you and me... I liked Jar-Jar, and found the Phantom
Menace very entertaining.  

You know, as much as I complain about how bad I think the new APES movie is,
I was thinking the other day that there are lots of awful movies that I love,
such as "One Million Years, BC" -- an absolutely terrible film -- but I love
it!

And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of
them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

I guess with POTA the problem is that what appeals to me in the original film
are the more sophisticated aspects and not the more juvenile ones, which is
probably why I find "Battle" nearly unwatchable.  Just a movie with talking
apes isn't enough -- there has to be some thought behind the words.

I really have no problems with those that think the new APES is okay.  I'm
glad some people like it, but as for me I can't wait until it's a distant
memory.

-- Rory
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<.html

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Haristas@... wrote:
And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of  them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

Of topic, but Rory, you'll be happy to hear about the upcoming Universal Monster classics being released on DVD next month. "The Bride of Frankenstein" looks to have some cool extras. I'll be getting that one for sure.
Best,
KEN

 
 

<.html

this frame is from Kevin Smith's Jay & Silent Bob #3 comic:

http://www.newsaskew.com/images/pota.jpg

looks familiar don't it???

N o, I said Wahlberg was weak. I'm talking about the other characters. This
is something Wahlberg will probably never live down, being compared to
Heston for all eternity.


- - - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] New Film from a directors viewpoint


> In a message dated 8/6/01 8:23:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << Wahlberg was weak. But I looked at this like "Road Warrior"
> (though not nearly as good) where the rough existence have hardened the
> characters. >>
>
> I dunno Jeff. He seemed a pretty soft hearted guy disobeying orders,
risking
> his life and a court-martial for his chimp. And what rough existence?
Being
> a waiter at a dinner party? Lemme tell ya about the time I delivered
pizza
> ... Now that was a rough existence!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:52 AM

Subject: RE: [pota] An original idea?

Some good points there Rory!!!

 

I too hope there comes a time before I die when someone will attempt a thinking man's POTA, but I doubt it.  Cameron's apes would have probably been much worse.  Maybe in the hands of Ridley Scott, Spielberg or Gilliam (please lord, please).......but who knows?  I think the fact that the NAME Planet of the Apes will draw a crowd is the problem - then you are playing percentages and that my friend IS Hollywood.  Maybe if Fox did not have the rights, a French film company would do credit to Boulle, but I don't think anyone could afford to buy the rights.

 

I guess when it comes to POTA I have learned to take what I can get.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 21:49
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

In a message dated 8/7/01 3:16:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

It opens in 2 days Rory, but you might be surprised because I am one of the
few people who liked Jar-Jar.

You see, I will be seeing POTA with my 2 kids (6 and 3) who love the idea
of talking monkeys.  The 6 yr old saw Phantom Menace (after watching the
originals and loving them) and loved Binks' antics.  So I guess I'll
probably be happy for the kids.

Mike, just between you and me... I liked Jar-Jar, and found the Phantom
Menace very entertaining.  

You know, as much as I complain about how bad I think the new APES movie is,
I was thinking the other day that there are lots of awful movies that I love,
such as "One Million Years, BC" -- an absolutely terrible film -- but I love
it!

And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of
them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

I guess with POTA the problem is that what appeals to me in the original film
are the more sophisticated aspects and not the more juvenile ones, which is
probably why I find "Battle" nearly unwatchable.  Just a movie with talking
apes isn't enough -- there has to be some thought behind the words.

I really have no problems with those that think the new APES is okay.  I'm
glad some people like it, but as for me I can't wait until it's a distant
memory.

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 5:29 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

 

Haristas@... wrote:
And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of  them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

Of topic, but Rory, you'll be happy to hear about the upcoming Universal Monster classics being released on DVD next month. "The Bride of Frankenstein" looks to have some cool extras. I'll be getting that one for sure.
Best,
KEN

 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

I saw them film an "Apes" spoof for "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" and I
went to a screening of the film. There's a lot of "Apes" refs in it. Plus
Kevin Smith was in the Fox "Apes" special. He told me personally he's a fan.

But that's a cool comic. What year was that issue?


- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:15 AM
Subject: [pota] looks familiar


> this frame is from Kevin Smith's Jay & Silent Bob #3 comic:
>
> http://www.newsaskew.com/images/pota.jpg
>
> looks familiar don't it???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Speak of the devil. I just went to Movieheadlines.net and there's a thing
that Kevin Smith is considering suing over the ending of "Apes". Claims it
was stolen from his comic book. Burton says, " Anybody that knows me knows I
do not read comic books. And I especially wouldn't read anything that was
created by Kevin Smith".

Smith and Burton got into it a while back. Smith wrote a version of
"Superman" the movie that brought Burton on as director, then Burton threw
out Smith's script. Smith told me that arguement wasn't as bad as the media
said and he was looking forward to Burton's "Apes". Guess the truce is over.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:15 AM
Subject: [pota] looks familiar


> this frame is from Kevin Smith's Jay & Silent Bob #3 comic:
>
> http://www.newsaskew.com/images/pota.jpg
>
> looks familiar don't it???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:

> But that's a cool comic. What year was that issue?

Dunno, but it was before the revisioning hit theatres and as reported
on newsaskew.com KSmith considered legal action the ending and the
still from the comic are so similar. Damn I realize I should have put
a spoiler tag on that original email.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:06 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] More lucre

In a message dated 8/6/01 9:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Yeah, Luiz Adami said he liked it. Eric Greene said it had a lot of
problems. But he's like a lot of fans who are making the best of it. He
invited me to an Imax showing of it but I declined. He's getting some
publicity, doing book signings.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

Eric Greene said it had a lot of problems?!!!!   Understatement from Eric
Greene on the subject of POTA?!!!   SEE WHAT FOX HAS DONE!!!!   GOD DAMN THEM
ALL TO HELL!!!   THEY BLEW IT!!!

-- Rory

<.html

>Dunno, but it was before the revisioning hit theatres and as reported
>on newsaskew.com KSmith considered legal action the ending

Count on Smith to write something completely obvious, then think that when
someone else has the same stupid, obvious idea, it's "stealing".

_____

.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 8:26:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

Of topic, but Rory, you'll be happy to hear about the upcoming Universal
Monster classics being released on DVD next month. "The Bride of
Frankenstein" looks to have some cool extras. I'll be getting that one for
sure.

Best,
KEN

I guess in Australia you're just getting "Bride of Frankenstein."  It's been
out here in the U.S. for almost two years -- and the extras are wonderful (as
are the extras in the special edition DVD to the James Bond movies --
listening Fox?!!!).

At the end of August here we're getting the next batch of Universal Monster
films, DVD double-feature discs of "Son of Frankenstein/Ghost of
Frankenstein", "Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman (a flawed film I love)/House
of Frankenstein"  and others.  I don't know what if any extras will be
included with these.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 11:47:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

OK, Rory - - -

What did you think about Branaugh's "Frankenstein" movie, starring our own
Helena B. C.? Following an idea Jacobs tried to pursue, doing a faithful
adaptation of the original novel. Mr. Rick Baker said that's the only movie
he pleaded to do (he didn't get it) because he's a "Frankenstein" freak.

                                                                           
   - - - - Jeff K.

I thought it stunk!!!   Branaugh went over the top far too often, and pushed
the film into the realm of bizarre silliness.  I felt sorry for Helena B. C.  
 She was sleeping with Branaugh at the time, so I guess it seemed fine with
here, but when she too became a monster -- which WAS NOT in Shelley's book --
the film became an artistic disaster.  But you know what?  It's fast becoming
a forgotten film, a fate that awaits the new POTA, except that'll probably
have a sequel.

As for Baker doing the make-up. . . .  Well, a big wish of mine is that
Universal does an update of the 1931 "Frankenstein," setting it in that late
19th century, early 20th mid-European never-never land,
styling it very much like the 30's films, AND use the original Jack Pierce
make-up design for the monster.  BUT!!!!  Make it a serious and scary as hell
horror flick.  One of the problems with horror films these days is they all
want to make you laugh, too.   I say TRAUMATIZE the audience!

Oh, if only I were the king of Hollywood!

-- Rory <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 11:51:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I saw them film an "Apes" spoof for "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" and I
went to a screening of the film. There's a lot of "Apes" refs in it. Plus
Kevin Smith was in the Fox "Apes" special. He told me personally he's a fan.

But that's a cool comic. What year was that issue?

                                                                           
     - - - Jeff K.

Jeff, did you see the film or better, rent the DVD of "Free Enterprise" and
catch all the POTA references in that?

-- Rory<.html