.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 12:03:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Speak of the devil. I just went to Movieheadlines.net and there's a thing
that Kevin Smith is considering suing over the ending of "Apes". Claims it
was stolen from his comic book. Burton says, " Anybody that knows me knows I
do not read comic books. And I especially wouldn't read anything that was
created by Kevin Smith".

Smith and Burton got into it a while back. Smith wrote a version of
"Superman" the movie that brought Burton on as director, then Burton threw
out Smith's script. Smith told me that arguement wasn't as bad as the media
said and he was looking forward to Burton's "Apes". Guess the truce is over.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

I just went there, but I couldn't find the story.  Anyway, it sounds pretty
funny.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 12:30:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

There's a review of the new "Behind" at cinescape.com. They include an
answer from Roddy about doing a remake: "I think a remake is the most
ridiculous idea on the face of the Earth. There's no reason to do one just
for the sake of doing one". Ironic, since Roddy tried in the early '90's to
get one going with Peter Jackson ("Lord of the Rings"). From what I
understand, Roddy's interest was in picking up from the original films.

                                                                           
   - - - - - Jeff K.



I think Fox's answer to Roddy McDowall's 'ridiculous idea' remark would be,
"We just made a ridiculous amount of money off a ridiculous concept we just
made more ridiculous because we know the public will go see whatever crap we
make as long as we hype it like it's the Second Coming!  Rest in peace,
Roddy."

-- Rory<.html

It's ironic that Smith even has a parody of the Statue of Liberty scene in
his new movie. Who's borrowing from whom?

- - - -
Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: looks familiar


> >Dunno, but it was before the revisioning hit theatres and as reported
> >on newsaskew.com KSmith considered legal action the ending
>
> Count on Smith to write something completely obvious, then think that when
> someone else has the same stupid, obvious idea, it's "stealing".
>
> _____

> It's ironic that Smith even has a parody of the Statue of Liberty scene
>in
>his new movie. Who's borrowing from whom?

Smith is the guy who has a lightsaber fight with Mark Hammil in his new
film, right? Just checking.

> - - - -
>Jeff K.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [pota] Re: looks familiar
>
>
> > >Dunno, but it was before the revisioning hit theatres and as reported
> > >on newsaskew.com KSmith considered legal action the ending
> >
> > Count on Smith to write something completely obvious, then think that
>when
> > someone else has the same stupid, obvious idea, it's "stealing".
> >
> > _____

_____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Be frank about 'Stein

In a message dated 8/7/01 11:47:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

OK, Rory - - -

What did you think about Branaugh's "Frankenstein" movie, starring our own
Helena B. C.? Following an idea Jacobs tried to pursue, doing a faithful
adaptation of the original novel. Mr. Rick Baker said that's the only movie
he pleaded to do (he didn't get it) because he's a "Frankenstein" freak.

                                                                           
   - - - - Jeff K.

I thought it stunk!!!   Branaugh went over the top far too often, and pushed
the film into the realm of bizarre silliness.  I felt sorry for Helena B. C.  
 She was sleeping with Branaugh at the time, so I guess it seemed fine with
here, but when she too became a monster -- which WAS NOT in Shelley's book --
the film became an artistic disaster.  But you know what?  It's fast becoming
a forgotten film, a fate that awaits the new POTA, except that'll probably
have a sequel.

As for Baker doing the make-up. . . .  Well, a big wish of mine is that
Universal does an update of the 1931 "Frankenstein," setting it in that late
19th century, early 20th mid-European never-never land,
styling it very much like the 30's films, AND use the original Jack Pierce
make-up design for the monster.  BUT!!!!  Make it a serious and scary as hell
horror flick.  One of the problems with horror films these days is they all
want to make you laugh, too.   I say TRAUMATIZE the audience!

Oh, if only I were the king of Hollywood!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] looks familiar

In a message dated 8/7/01 11:51:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I saw them film an "Apes" spoof for "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" and I
went to a screening of the film. There's a lot of "Apes" refs in it. Plus
Kevin Smith was in the Fox "Apes" special. He told me personally he's a fan.

But that's a cool comic. What year was that issue?

                                                                           
     - - - Jeff K.

Jeff, did you see the film or better, rent the DVD of "Free Enterprise" and
catch all the POTA references in that?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Hey! (Spoiler!!!)

In a message dated 8/7/01 12:03:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Speak of the devil. I just went to Movieheadlines.net and there's a thing
that Kevin Smith is considering suing over the ending of "Apes". Claims it
was stolen from his comic book. Burton says, " Anybody that knows me knows I
do not read comic books. And I especially wouldn't read anything that was
created by Kevin Smith".

Smith and Burton got into it a while back. Smith wrote a version of
"Superman" the movie that brought Burton on as director, then Burton threw
out Smith's script. Smith told me that arguement wasn't as bad as the media
said and he was looking forward to Burton's "Apes". Guess the truce is over.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

I just went there, but I couldn't find the story.  Anyway, it sounds pretty
funny.

-- Rory

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Yeah, that's pretty funny. Hamill doesn't play Luke, he plays a bad guy in
the fictional film within a film (which kinda plays on his voice as the
joker in "Batman Animated"). But he says "Don't f*** with a Jedi!" or
something like that. And wait 'til you see Carrie Fisher's part!


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: looks familiar


>
> > It's ironic that Smith even has a parody of the Statue of Liberty scene
> >in
> >his new movie. Who's borrowing from whom?
>
> Smith is the guy who has a lightsaber fight with Mark Hammil in his new
> film, right? Just checking.
>
>
> - - - -
> >Jeff K.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:41 AM
> >Subject: Re: [pota] Re: looks familiar
> >
> >
> > > >Dunno, but it was before the revisioning hit theatres and as reported
> > > >on newsaskew.com KSmith considered legal action the ending
> > >
> > > Count on Smith to write something completely obvious, then think that
> >when
> > > someone else has the same stupid, obvious idea, it's "stealing".
> > >
> > > _____ > _____

> Yeah, that's pretty funny. Hamill doesn't play Luke, he plays a bad guy
>in
>the fictional film within a film (which kinda plays on his voice as the
>joker in "Batman Animated"). But he says "Don't f*** with a Jedi!" or
>something like that. And wait 'til you see Carrie Fisher's part!

That'll be a long wait, but thanks just the same.

>
>- - - - Jeff K.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [pota] Re: looks familiar
>
>
> >
> > > It's ironic that Smith even has a parody of the Statue of Liberty
>scene
> > >in
> > >his new movie. Who's borrowing from whom?
> >
> > Smith is the guy who has a lightsaber fight with Mark Hammil in his new
> > film, right? Just checking.
> >
> >
> > - - -
>-
> > >Jeff K.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Philip Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
> > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:41 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [pota] Re: looks familiar
> > >
> > >
> > > > >Dunno, but it was before the revisioning hit theatres and as
>reported
> > > > >on newsaskew.com KSmith considered legal action the ending
> > > >
> > > > Count on Smith to write something completely obvious, then think
>that
> > >when
> > > > someone else has the same stupid, obvious idea, it's "stealing".
> > > >
> > > > _____ > > _____

_____

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Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/7/01 8:26:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:
 
 

Of topic, but Rory, you'll be happy to hear about the upcoming Universal
Monster classics being released on DVD next month. "The Bride of
Frankenstein" looks to have some cool extras. I'll be getting that one for
sure.
Best,
KEN

I guess in Australia you're just getting "Bride of Frankenstein."  It's been
out here in the U.S. for almost two years -- and the extras are wonderful (as
are the extras in the special edition DVD to the James Bond movies --
listening Fox?!!!).

At the end of August here we're getting the next batch of Universal Monster
films, DVD double-feature discs of "Son of Frankenstein/Ghost of
Frankenstein", "Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman (a flawed film I love)/House
of Frankenstein"  and others.  I don't know what if any extras will be
included with these.

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:17 PM

Subject: [pota] NEW DVD is out.

I just picked up and saw the new POTA DVD behind the scenes.

Honestly it's nothing I haven't already seen because I have most of this stuff on VHS. But it is worth the buy as there are somethings never seen. The complete outtakes is one to name a few.

 

Got it for $19.99 at my local Best Buy.

Great job Brian, it's really great to have all of this in DVD quality!

I was getting tired of seeing this stuff in poor VHS quality.

Very cool.

 

Best,

Al

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:55 PM

Subject: [pota] End of an era

 I've had this stuff on VHS for a decade. I got them from Joe Russo in '91 and it was cool having this stuff when it was rare. Now anyone can plunk down the dough and have the complete makeup test or the documentaries. Sigh. Memories.

 

Our little "Planet of the Apes" has grown up.

 

                                                                                - - - -Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:17 PM

Subject: [pota] NEW DVD is out.

I just picked up and saw the new POTA DVD behind the scenes.

Honestly it's nothing I haven't already seen because I have most of this stuff on VHS. But it is worth the buy as there are somethings never seen. The complete outtakes is one to name a few.

 

Got it for $19.99 at my local Best Buy.

Great job Brian, it's really great to have all of this in DVD quality!

I was getting tired of seeing this stuff in poor VHS quality.

Very cool.

 

Best,

Al

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 5:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Oh, I almost forgot. Joe Russo told me he's going to be on "E! News Daily"
today. I think the next one is on in a half hour.

                                                                           
    - - - - Jeff K.



Yeah, that's on in half an hour here in the east:  6:30 PM.

Joe and his writing partner, Larry Landsman, have their book-signing tonight
with Kim Hunter in N.Y.C.

-- Rory<.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 1:40
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

 There's a sci-fi book called "Genus Homo" that's very similar to "Apes" and predates Boulle's book. I wonder if someone could buy the rights to that and VERY LOOSELY adapt it. If Fox complaims, they say, "No, it's "Genus Homo" ". Of course, the studios might think it's about gay people and not read it.

 

                                                                         - - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:52 AM

Subject: RE: [pota] An original idea?

Some good points there Rory!!!

 

I too hope there comes a time before I die when someone will attempt a thinking man's POTA, but I doubt it.  Cameron's apes would have probably been much worse.  Maybe in the hands of Ridley Scott, Spielberg or Gilliam (please lord, please).......but who knows?  I think the fact that the NAME Planet of the Apes will draw a crowd is the problem - then you are playing percentages and that my friend IS Hollywood.  Maybe if Fox did not have the rights, a French film company would do credit to Boulle, but I don't think anyone could afford to buy the rights.

 

I guess when it comes to POTA I have learned to take what I can get.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 21:49
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

In a message dated 8/7/01 3:16:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

It opens in 2 days Rory, but you might be surprised because I am one of the
few people who liked Jar-Jar.

You see, I will be seeing POTA with my 2 kids (6 and 3) who love the idea
of talking monkeys.  The 6 yr old saw Phantom Menace (after watching the
originals and loving them) and loved Binks' antics.  So I guess I'll
probably be happy for the kids.

Mike, just between you and me... I liked Jar-Jar, and found the Phantom
Menace very entertaining.  

You know, as much as I complain about how bad I think the new APES movie is,
I was thinking the other day that there are lots of awful movies that I love,
such as "One Million Years, BC" -- an absolutely terrible film -- but I love
it!

And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of
them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

I guess with POTA the problem is that what appeals to me in the original film
are the more sophisticated aspects and not the more juvenile ones, which is
probably why I find "Battle" nearly unwatchable.  Just a movie with talking
apes isn't enough -- there has to be some thought behind the words.

I really have no problems with those that think the new APES is okay.  I'm
glad some people like it, but as for me I can't wait until it's a distant
memory.

-- Rory
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 2:28
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Words of wisdom

 There's a review of the new "Behind" at cinescape.com. They include an answer from Roddy about doing a remake: "I think a remake is the most ridiculous idea on the face of the Earth. There's no reason to do one just for the sake of doing one". Ironic, since Roddy tried in the early '90's to get one going with Peter Jackson ("Lord of the Rings"). From what I understand, Roddy's interest was in picking up from the original films.

 

                                                                               - - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:06 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] More lucre

In a message dated 8/6/01 9:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Yeah, Luiz Adami said he liked it. Eric Greene said it had a lot of
problems. But he's like a lot of fans who are making the best of it. He
invited me to an Imax showing of it but I declined. He's getting some
publicity, doing book signings.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

Eric Greene said it had a lot of problems?!!!!   Understatement from Eric
Greene on the subject of POTA?!!!   SEE WHAT FOX HAS DONE!!!!   GOD DAMN THEM
ALL TO HELL!!!   THEY BLEW IT!!!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:55 PM

Subject: [pota] Book me some studio time

Ok Jeff, good idea.

 

So how much money have you got?

 

Anyone out there know how to act?

 

Got anyone for make-up?

 

I know a bloke who used to work at Fox who could probably get us some budget studio time.............

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [mailto:williejoe@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 1:40
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

 There's a sci-fi book called "Genus Homo" that's very similar to "Apes" and predates Boulle's book. I wonder if someone could buy the rights to that and VERY LOOSELY adapt it. If Fox complaims, they say, "No, it's "Genus Homo" ". Of course, the studios might think it's about gay people and not read it.

 

                                                                         - - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:52 AM

Subject: RE: [pota] An original idea?

Some good points there Rory!!!

 

I too hope there comes a time before I die when someone will attempt a thinking man's POTA, but I doubt it.  Cameron's apes would have probably been much worse.  Maybe in the hands of Ridley Scott, Spielberg or Gilliam (please lord, please).......but who knows?  I think the fact that the NAME Planet of the Apes will draw a crowd is the problem - then you are playing percentages and that my friend IS Hollywood.  Maybe if Fox did not have the rights, a French film company would do credit to Boulle, but I don't think anyone could afford to buy the rights.

 

I guess when it comes to POTA I have learned to take what I can get.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 21:49
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] An original idea?

In a message dated 8/7/01 3:16:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

It opens in 2 days Rory, but you might be surprised because I am one of the
few people who liked Jar-Jar.

You see, I will be seeing POTA with my 2 kids (6 and 3) who love the idea
of talking monkeys.  The 6 yr old saw Phantom Menace (after watching the
originals and loving them) and loved Binks' antics.  So I guess I'll
probably be happy for the kids.

Mike, just between you and me... I liked Jar-Jar, and found the Phantom
Menace very entertaining.  

You know, as much as I complain about how bad I think the new APES movie is,
I was thinking the other day that there are lots of awful movies that I love,
such as "One Million Years, BC" -- an absolutely terrible film -- but I love
it!

And I'm a huge fan of the old Universal "Frankenstein" films, but many of
them were far, far from perfect, yet it doesn't bother me.

I guess with POTA the problem is that what appeals to me in the original film
are the more sophisticated aspects and not the more juvenile ones, which is
probably why I find "Battle" nearly unwatchable.  Just a movie with talking
apes isn't enough -- there has to be some thought behind the words.

I really have no problems with those that think the new APES is okay.  I'm
glad some people like it, but as for me I can't wait until it's a distant
memory.

-- Rory
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I just came across your very interesting Planet of the Apes site. I am the author of Planet of the Apes as American Myth, the first book ever published about the Apes series.  I thought your visitors might want to know that I am doing a panel and autograph session along with Buck Kartalian (Julius-Planet), Austin Stoker (MacDonald-Battle and Cartoon Series) and Booth Colman (Zaius-TV series), on Sunday August 12 at the Fangoria Convention in Pasadena California. We'll be in the autograph room at noon and we'll be on a panel at 1:00.  The address is 300 E. Green St. in Pasadena, for directions you can call (626) 449-7360.

Best Wishes,

Eric Greene

Best,

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:46 PM

Subject: [pota] From Eric Greene

For those living in the area: Sent to me by Eric.

 

Hello,

I just came across your very interesting Planet of the Apes site. I am the author of Planet of the Apes as American Myth, the first book ever published about the Apes series.  I thought your visitors might want to know that I am doing a panel and autograph session along with Buck Kartalian (Julius-Planet), Austin Stoker (MacDonald-Battle and Cartoon Series) and Booth Colman (Zaius-TV series), on Sunday August 12 at the Fangoria Convention in Pasadena California. We'll be in the autograph room at noon and we'll be on a panel at 1:00.  The address is 300 E. Green St. in Pasadena, for directions you can call (626) 449-7360.

Best Wishes,

Eric Greene

Best,

Al

 

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In a message dated 8/7/01 4:59:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Oh, I almost forgot. Joe Russo told me he's going to be on "E! News Daily"
today. I think the next one is on in a half hour. >>

Missed it by an hour.
I'll keep an eye out for it.

Jack Krueger wrote:

>
> I've had this stuff on VHS for a decade.

Whcih means it probably looks like crap, as does mine. The DVD extras
are nicely mastered, considering the age of the source material.

And the two hour interview with Roddy was made FOR this thing, so none
of you had that, at least, right? I know, a shame it's not a two hour
interview with Tims Roth and Burton, but they'll get you for that at
Xmas.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:23 PM

Subject: [pota] E! News Daily

It wasn't on.  I wonder what happened?

-- Rory
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Nor did I have the outtakes (and yes, the "Apemania" stuff). Not a bad
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era


> Jack Krueger wrote:
> >
> > I've had this stuff on VHS for a decade.
>
> Whcih means it probably looks like crap, as does mine. The DVD extras
> are nicely mastered, considering the age of the source material.
>
> And the two hour interview with Roddy was made FOR this thing, so none
> of you had that, at least, right? I know, a shame it's not a two hour
> interview with Tims Roth and Burton, but they'll get you for that at
> Xmas.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlWow!  I actually saw a new commercial for POTA tonight during NBC's Dateline.
  I hope Fox runs more during the week if they want the movie to have a good
third weekend.   Onething that did get me though. . . they used Roeper's
review line at the end of the spot, "It's not as good as the original -- it's
BETTER!"

My reaction to Fox using that? -- Taylor when he saw Landon planting the
little Flag.

You get the idea.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:16 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA TV commercial

Wow!  I actually saw a new commercial for POTA tonight during NBC's Dateline.
  I hope Fox runs more during the week if they want the movie to have a good
third weekend.   Onething that did get me though. . . they used Roeper's
review line at the end of the spot, "It's not as good as the original -- it's
BETTER!"

My reaction to Fox using that? -- Taylor when he saw Landon planting the
little Flag.

You get the idea.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/7/01 11:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 They ran those all through the Discovery Channel special. Didn't help much.

                                                                           
- - - - - Jeff K.



Who watches the Discovery Channel?   Fox needs to run them on the networks,
including Fox, and in prime time.   They should concentrate them mostly to
the next three nights.  Then maybe POTA has a chance of making more than $20
mill this weekend.

-- Rory<.html

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From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:16:24 EDT
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA TV commercial

Wow!  I actually saw a new commercial for POTA tonight during NBC's Dateline.
 I hope Fox runs more during the week if they want the movie to have a good
third weekend.   Onething that did get me though. . . they used Roeper's
review line at the end of the spot, "It's not as good as the original -- it's
BETTER!"

My reaction to Fox using that? -- Taylor when he saw Landon planting the
little Flag.

You get the idea.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:46 PM

Subject: [pota] From Eric Greene

For those living in the area: Sent to me by Eric.

 

Hello,

I just came across your very interesting Planet of the Apes site. I am the author of Planet of the Apes as American Myth, the first book ever published about the Apes series.  I thought your visitors might want to know that I am doing a panel and autograph session along with Buck Kartalian (Julius-Planet), Austin Stoker (MacDonald-Battle and Cartoon Series) and Booth Colman (Zaius-TV series), on Sunday August 12 at the Fangoria Convention in Pasadena California. We'll be in the autograph room at noon and we'll be on a panel at 1:00.  The address is 300 E. Green St. in Pasadena, for directions you can call (626) 449-7360.

Best Wishes,

Eric Greene

Best,

Al

 

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Jack Krueger wrote:

> "great moments" that didn't pan out.

How could they be "great" if they didn - oh, just forget it.

> This from
> a guy who found something even in the cartoons.

Damn. He's got stuff in there about each unproduced Apes remake script,
too. "If Greene can't pontificate, the movie ain't that great."

Color me cynical, but after pimping this thing for over a year, a four
sentence review is all we hear from Alex, followed by an announcement
that his site is shutting down? What's up, Alex?

Were there any deleted scenes Jeff?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 10:04
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era

Nor did I have the outtakes (and yes, the "Apemania" stuff). Not a bad
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era


> Jack Krueger wrote:
> >
> > I've had this stuff on VHS for a decade.
>
> Whcih means it probably looks like crap, as does mine. The DVD extras
> are nicely mastered, considering the age of the source material.
>
> And the two hour interview with Roddy was made FOR this thing, so none
> of you had that, at least, right? I know, a shame it's not a two hour
> interview with Tims Roth and Burton, but they'll get you for that at
> Xmas.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 1:22:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I talked to Eric Greene tonight about the new movie. Unfortunately, he
asked me what I thought first (a disappointment but fun on it's own) and he
just said he agreed. He feels it's "mediocre" but had some "great moments"
that didn't pan out. He felt it wasn't really a Burton film and would have
liked it better if Burton had been truer to himself. Most damning of all, I
asked Eric if he could write a chapter about it in his book and he said
there wasn't enough there. This from a guy who found something even in the
cartoons. He said there were some interesting social topics in the flick
but they weren't handled well. Didn't even like Ari, felt she was too
obvious, though many have singled her out as the best character (including
me).                

 Natalie Trundy hated the movie, especially the "squash faced" makeup. Her
son felt it was a "Back to the Future" retread (See?), so not much support
there from the Jacobs camp.

                                                                          
- - - - - Jeff K.


Mediocre indeed!!!  I think Greene is being very diplomatic.  I would imagine
he's hugely disappointed, and the fact that he doesn't want to write about
the new movie shows, I think, that like me there's some hostility towards
those responsible for this movie.  I'm angry because I tried to be so
positive during the making of this thing, and kept telling myself, "It's not
going to be that bad."  All that waiting and expectation, and then it turns
out worse than I feared.  I'm pissed!  What we have is "Planet of the Apes"
with a frontal lobotomy.  An emaciated APES.  I can't believe I'm saying this
but in some ways "Battle" is a better film because at least it tried to say
something.  Burton's POTA is just another souless "Summer Blockbuster" made
to turn a quick buck.

I think the kindest thing that can be said about those that made the new
movie is that they were inept.  I don't think they understood at all what
made the original film work, most depressingly of all Richard Zanuck.  As far
as Burton goes, well I've never thought he was that great a filmmaker, and he
probably saw this as a guarantied money-making film -- which it was -- and a
nice paycheck.  I doubt very much he'll direct the sequel -- if there is one.

I also agree with Natalie Trundy about Baker's solution to get better mouth
articulation.   John Chamber's original make-up design may have problems, but
I like it better.

I've heard Baker say that one of the things he thought he could improve was
that in the original you basically had just one sculpture design for all the
apes -- that they all looked alike.
Well I'll say something now that I'm sure Eric Greene would agree with.  In
PLANET Zira says to Taylor, "All men look alike to most apes."  I think then
that it's kind of appropriate that the make-up in the movie has "All apes
look alike to most men."

Take that Baker!!!   1968's PLANET OF THE APES is a perfect movie.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:08 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Is POTA still an American Myth?

In a message dated 8/8/01 1:22:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I talked to Eric Greene tonight about the new movie. Unfortunately, he
asked me what I thought first (a disappointment but fun on it's own) and he
just said he agreed. He feels it's "mediocre" but had some "great moments"
that didn't pan out. He felt it wasn't really a Burton film and would have
liked it better if Burton had been truer to himself. Most damning of all, I
asked Eric if he could write a chapter about it in his book and he said
there wasn't enough there. This from a guy who found something even in the
cartoons. He said there were some interesting social topics in the flick
but they weren't handled well. Didn't even like Ari, felt she was too
obvious, though many have singled her out as the best character (including
me).                

 Natalie Trundy hated the movie, especially the "squash faced" makeup. Her
son felt it was a "Back to the Future" retread (See?), so not much support
there from the Jacobs camp.

                                                                          
- - - - - Jeff K.

Mediocre indeed!!!  I think Greene is being very diplomatic.  I would imagine
he's hugely disappointed, and the fact that he doesn't want to write about
the new movie shows, I think, that like me there's some hostility towards
those responsible for this movie.  I'm angry because I tried to be so
positive during the making of this thing, and kept telling myself, "It's not
going to be that bad."  All that waiting and expectation, and then it turns
out worse than I feared.  I'm pissed!  What we have is "Planet of the Apes"
with a frontal lobotomy.  An emaciated APES.  I can't believe I'm saying this
but in some ways "Battle" is a better film because at least it tried to say
something.  Burton's POTA is just another souless "Summer Blockbuster" made
to turn a quick buck.

I think the kindest thing that can be said about those that made the new
movie is that they were inept.  I don't think they understood at all what
made the original film work, most depressingly of all Richard Zanuck.  As far
as Burton goes, well I've never thought he was that great a filmmaker, and he
probably saw this as a guarantied money-making film -- which it was -- and a
nice paycheck.  I doubt very much he'll direct the sequel -- if there is one.

I also agree with Natalie Trundy about Baker's solution to get better mouth
articulation.   John Chamber's original make-up design may have problems, but
I like it better.

I've heard Baker say that one of the things he thought he could improve was
that in the original you basically had just one sculpture design for all the
apes -- that they all looked alike.
Well I'll say something now that I'm sure Eric Greene would agree with.  In
PLANET Zira says to Taylor, "All men look alike to most apes."  I think then
that it's kind of appropriate that the make-up in the movie has "All apes
look alike to most men."

Take that Baker!!!   1968's PLANET OF THE APES is a perfect movie.

-- Rory

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Deleted scenes? There is in the NATO presentation, some stuff. I haven't
seen the new DVD if that's what you mean.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:49 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] End of an era


> Were there any deleted scenes Jeff?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 10:04
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era
>
> Nor did I have the outtakes (and yes, the "Apemania" stuff). Not a bad
> - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era
>
>
> > Jack Krueger wrote:
> > >
> > > I've had this stuff on VHS for a decade.
> >
> > Whcih means it probably looks like crap, as does mine. The DVD extras
> > are nicely mastered, considering the age of the source material.
> >
> > And the two hour interview with Roddy was made FOR this thing, so none
> > of you had that, at least, right? I know, a shame it's not a two hour
> > interview with Tims Roth and Burton, but they'll get you for that at
> > Xmas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 8/2/01 10:08:23 PM, mlccougar@... writes:

<< I'll tell ya why they had her in there....to get curiousity seekers.She
was
just used to get people in to see the movie, regardless of screen time. >>

That's doubtful. I don't think Linda Harrison is a big enough name to draw
people to see a movie (most people who are not Apes fans probably don't even
know who she is).

She was probably in the movie because her ex-hubby was the producer and their
kids begged him to get her in there somewhere.

Matt

It's a way to underline the importance of the Zanucks in the originals.
Meanwhile, Natalie Trundy didn't even get a phone call. But it's not over
yet.

- - -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: linda harrisons role


>
> In a message dated 8/2/01 10:08:23 PM, mlccougar@... writes:
>
> << I'll tell ya why they had her in there....to get curiousity seekers.She
> was
> just used to get people in to see the movie, regardless of screen time. >>
>
> That's doubtful. I don't think Linda Harrison is a big enough name to draw
> people to see a movie (most people who are not Apes fans probably don't
even
> know who she is).
>
> She was probably in the movie because her ex-hubby was the producer and
their
> kids begged him to get her in there somewhere.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/roddy1..html"

_____

Check it out: New fonts that look like the classic POTA logo and others that
"ape" the glyphs:

www.houseindustries.com

I also picked their latest issue of House magazine which contains previews of
the fonts, Apes-inspired artwork and an excerpt from the Eric Greene book,
among other things.

Matt

Attachments :

Judge for yourself folks.

I just got back from vacation last night and am catching up on the hundreds
of emails that have been posted in the last week. It's great to see the list
hopping again.

Back to my vacation. On the way to the airport, I stopped at Barnes and Noble
and was pleasantly surprised to see "Planet of the Apes Revisited" on the
shelf. I picked up a copy and read the whole thing on my flight from Detroit
to L.A. and the three hours I had to kill while waiting for my connecting
flight.

I thought it was a great book. There is alot of inside stuff there that I had
not known before. The photos were great too! It was cool that several members
of this list (Rory, Jeff, etc). got a thank you. My only criticism would be
that it could have been edited a bit better. Some parts seemed long winded
and the "Behind" documentary was referred to as "Back to the Planet of the
Apes" a couple of times. Overall, I liked the book better than Greene's. I
think my favorite chapter was the one about "Beneath." I loved reading the
dirt on that one from James Franciscus' rewrites, to Zanuck screwing over
Heston and Mort Abrahms' overall dickish attitude toward director Ted Post.
No wonder that film has so many problems!

Pick this book up if you have a chance. You will not be disappointed.

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 10:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I didn't say Eric wouldn't write about the movie, just that he doesn't see
much there. He said he's supposed to write an article for something. I
forgot to mention he had a lot of problems with Ari's character. Besides
hating the makeup, he thought she was a copout that it's supposed to show a
relationship that crosses barriers then they try to make her look as human
as possible. I mentioned that at least if it was only her looking like that
it could at least be explained she made herself look more human as a
protest. But why are human-looking she-chimps desirable to a society that
hates humans? NOTHING is explained.

A sequel will be made and Burton will make it. Carnac the Magnificent has
spoken.

                                                                         -
- - - - - Jeff K.



Wait until the DVD then we'll get plenty of explanations -- or rather excuses!

This film has had such bad reviews in the mainstream press that I can't
imagine Burton will want to go any where near it again.  In fairness to
Burton, though, he wasn't given nearly enough time to make a good film, and I
think it was either you or Joe Russo that told me they heard Burton wanted to
throw out the script and just film Serling's screenplay from 35 years ago.

The studio may want to dump everyone involved with this one and let someone
else take yet another crack at 're-imaging' APES.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 1:17:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/roddy1.shtml

This was very interesting to read, Philip.   I think what the F.B.I. did to
Roddy McDowall was terrible, and was probably really all about harassing him
because he was gay.

Well, it's all history now.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 2:00:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

Check it out: New fonts that look like the classic POTA logo and others that
"ape" the glyphs:

www.houseindustries.com

I also picked their latest issue of House magazine which contains previews
of
the fonts, Apes-inspired artwork and an excerpt from the Eric Greene book,
among other things.

Matt

Hey, this is really cool, and they tell the name of the guy who designed the
original logo!!!

I gotta get that simian wallet!   Cool!

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:23 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Is POTA still an American Myth?

In a message dated 8/8/01 10:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I didn't say Eric wouldn't write about the movie, just that he doesn't see
much there. He said he's supposed to write an article for something. I
forgot to mention he had a lot of problems with Ari's character. Besides
hating the makeup, he thought she was a copout that it's supposed to show a
relationship that crosses barriers then they try to make her look as human
as possible. I mentioned that at least if it was only her looking like that
it could at least be explained she made herself look more human as a
protest. But why are human-looking she-chimps desirable to a society that
hates humans? NOTHING is explained.

A sequel will be made and Burton will make it. Carnac the Magnificent has
spoken.

                                                                         -
- - - - - Jeff K.

Wait until the DVD then we'll get plenty of explanations -- or rather excuses!

This film has had such bad reviews in the mainstream press that I can't
imagine Burton will want to go any where near it again.  In fairness to
Burton, though, he wasn't given nearly enough time to make a good film, and I
think it was either you or Joe Russo that told me they heard Burton wanted to
throw out the script and just film Serling's screenplay from 35 years ago.

The studio may want to dump everyone involved with this one and let someone
else take yet another crack at 're-imaging' APES.

-- Rory

<.html

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> I just got back from vacation last night and am catching up on the

hundreds

> of emails that have been posted in the last week. It's great to see

the list

> hopping again.
>
> Back to my vacation. On the way to the airport, I stopped at Barnes

and Noble

> and was pleasantly surprised to see "Planet of the Apes Revisited"

on the

> shelf. I picked up a copy and read the whole thing on my flight

from Detroit

> to L.A. and the three hours I had to kill while waiting for my

connecting

> flight.
>
> I thought it was a great book. There is alot of inside stuff there

that I had

> not known before. The photos were great too! It was cool that

several members

> of this list (Rory, Jeff, etc). got a thank you. My only criticism

would be

> that it could have been edited a bit better. Some parts seemed long

winded

> and the "Behind" documentary was referred to as "Back to the Planet

of the

> Apes" a couple of times. Overall, I liked the book better than

Greene's. I

> think my favorite chapter was the one about "Beneath." I loved

reading the

> dirt on that one from James Franciscus' rewrites, to Zanuck

screwing over

> Heston and Mort Abrahms' overall dickish attitude toward director

Ted Post.

> No wonder that film has so many problems!
>
> Pick this book up if you have a chance. You will not be

disappointed.

>
> Matt

I saw that book and all most got it .Mabey later on this week . I
got the behind the sceans for the new movie book . I lobe all the
pictuers !

>This was very interesting to read, Philip. I think what the F.B.I. did to
>Roddy McDowall was terrible, and was probably really all about harassing
>him
>because he was gay.

And if you read teh rest, turns out his "pirated" (and in 1972, what WASN'T
a bootleg??) tapes were mostly because he wanted uncut copies of films that
he'd worked on! Priceless.


_____

>This was very interesting to read, Philip. I think what the F.B.I. did to
>Roddy McDowall was terrible, and was probably really all about harassing
>him
>because he was gay.

And if you read teh rest, turns out his "pirated" (and in 1972, what WASN'T
a bootleg??) tapes were mostly because he wanted uncut copies of films that
he'd worked on! Priceless.


_____

<< It was Rick Baker who wanted them to film the Serling script (he said in
"Makeup Artist" magazine). Burton, Zanuck and Baker all hated the Broyles
version. But Burton has always maintained he didn't want to go near the
originals, except for cute little moments. >>

If they hated it so much...Here's an idea...Don't make it. Write something
good, or find someone who can. Now they're stuck with it. It can be fixed.
But they'd have to beg me. I sent him some tips, but he never wrote back.
That's the problem with writing industry people. You never know, even if
it's a current address, if you mail is getting through. And if you do get a
response, is it something someone else wrote for them that they just put
their John Hancock to without even glancing at? That is why Hollywood turns
out such crap year after year. They are so insulated, that they are
completely out of touch. Now that Burton's brain has been sucked by the
studio, he's just the same. I don't know if it was up to me that I'd give
him the sequel. I'd probably hand it straight to Gilliam.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 3:27:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

It was Rick Baker who wanted them to film the Serling script (he said in
"Makeup Artist" magazine). Burton, Zanuck and Baker all hated the Broyles
version. But Burton has always maintained he didn't want to go near the
originals, except for cute little moments.

Burton said he didn't like his "Batman" movie and that's what convinced
him to do the sequel; do a better one. I think the same thing will apply
here. If anything the bad reception will attract him.

I think as far as Fox is concerned, the film is a success. Wahlberg said
they might even give Burton more freedom on a sequel.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.



Then are you saying, Jeff, that there's hope yet and all is not lost!!!?

Oh, please let it be so!  Oh, pleeeeeeeeeease!

-- Rory<.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 0:49
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA TV commercial

Wow!  I actually saw a new commercial for POTA tonight during NBC's Dateline.
  I hope Fox runs more during the week if they want the movie to have a good
third weekend.   Onething that did get me though. . . they used Roeper's
review line at the end of the spot, "It's not as good as the original -- it's
BETTER!"

I think that was a major mistake. The original ending was better.

An in the end that can give a major backlash. Not only with ape fans but for those who also know the original ending.

 

Best,

Al

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 6:13:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Alex,

Are you gonna tell us what you think of the remake?

Michael


Haven't you seen this thing yet, Mike?   I thought it opened in Australia
yesterday, or are you waiting until the weekend?

By the way, we still haven't heard what Terry Hokens or Brian and the rest of
the bunch at APEMANIA think of the new film.

-- Rory<.html

They gave it to Burton because of his track record. Gilliam doesn't have
the following Burton does. They'd give him the sequel in a minute.

- -
- - - Jeff K.

P.S.: But Gilliam big enough he wouldn't do a sequel to someone else's
movie.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Is POTA still an American Myth?


> << It was Rick Baker who wanted them to film the Serling script (he said
in
> "Makeup Artist" magazine). Burton, Zanuck and Baker all hated the Broyles
> version. But Burton has always maintained he didn't want to go near the
> originals, except for cute little moments. >>
>
> If they hated it so much...Here's an idea...Don't make it. Write
something
> good, or find someone who can. Now they're stuck with it. It can be
fixed.
> But they'd have to beg me. I sent him some tips, but he never wrote back.
> That's the problem with writing industry people. You never know, even if
> it's a current address, if you mail is getting through. And if you do get
a
> response, is it something someone else wrote for them that they just put
> their John Hancock to without even glancing at? That is why Hollywood
turns
> out such crap year after year. They are so insulated, that they are
> completely out of touch. Now that Burton's brain has been sucked by the
> studio, he's just the same. I don't know if it was up to me that I'd give
> him the sequel. I'd probably hand it straight to Gilliam.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Is POTA still an American Myth?

In a message dated 8/8/01 3:27:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

It was Rick Baker who wanted them to film the Serling script (he said in
"Makeup Artist" magazine). Burton, Zanuck and Baker all hated the Broyles
version. But Burton has always maintained he didn't want to go near the
originals, except for cute little moments.

Burton said he didn't like his "Batman" movie and that's what convinced
him to do the sequel; do a better one. I think the same thing will apply
here. If anything the bad reception will attract him.

I think as far as Fox is concerned, the film is a success. Wahlberg said
they might even give Burton more freedom on a sequel.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

Then are you saying, Jeff, that there's hope yet and all is not lost!!!?

Oh, please let it be so!  Oh, pleeeeeeeeeease!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Yeah that is what I mean - on the new DVD.

I was hoping they might have the deleted Escape intro, Conquest scenes and
Battle scenes and maybe the pregnant Nova alternate ending (was that
filmed?).

Saw Burton's POTA last night and I really liked it. It has its problems but
by today's standards (which it was always going to be - TODAY'S standards)
it was OK.

I agree it could have been better.

It was too fast - the pace went along without stopping to think. On the
space station then in the jungle with apes all round. They needed to build
the suspense with a trek through the desert me thinks.

It was predictable (many of the full theatre leaving were saying "that was
very entertaining, but sadly predictable"). Again, everything today is
predictable. The supposedly LEAST predictable movie (6th sense) for a while
took me about 15 minutes to figure.

Those corny lines were just WRONG!!!! But hey - I have worked it out!!!!!
They had the POTA DVD set on the space station and the chimp revolutionist
did not like Taylor's lines so he made apes practice these lines
religiously. :)

Thade's tanrum was embarrassing!!! But kind of funny in a way......I
think.......

Shock ending? For whom? It was always going to be that!

I interpret the ending as either:

(1) It was Earth all along (I don't think this could be right); or:

(2) Thade found a way to travel to the same storm and his time warp took him
to a time before Leo landed. Thade then led a revolution and Leo turned up
too late (I'm sure this is the correct interpretation); or

(3) There was a revolution on Earth and the Apes took off to the Space
Station, found it was missing, went through the storm, found Thade and liked
his style and said "Hey, we need a stand up guy like you on Earth!!!!!"
(unlikely, but who knows where Hollywood will take us???!!!)

Good news Rory - the sequel could be very close to "Monkey Planet" - the
apes are in helicopters and have technology. The earth apes seem to be more
"human" in their walk and none of them made shrieking ape noises so maybe
Burton had them more like apes (swinging, shreiking) in this one because
they had only evolved a few generations.

This movie could have been set anywhere and as I see it the only reason it
could be the "Planet of the Apes" we know it is due to the ending. The rest
is totally detached from the first 5. You could even go so far as to use
the original make-up in the sequel and explain this is because the apes are
evolving - then have a shock ending where they evolve into humans!!!! The
apes back on earth even speak more intelligibly.

But I like the references to the originals (and I got at least one reference
to each of the first 5 - did anyone else?), I liked Paul Giantini
(spelling?) and the script was OK, not great but not TOO bad.

I'm just going to see it again and I'll write more later.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 0:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era

Deleted scenes? There is in the NATO presentation, some stuff. I haven't
seen the new DVD if that's what you mean.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:49 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] End of an era


> Were there any deleted scenes Jeff?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 10:04
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era
>
> Nor did I have the outtakes (and yes, the "Apemania" stuff). Not a bad
> - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Nobile" <pjn1209@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] End of an era
>
>
> > Jack Krueger wrote:
> > >
> > > I've had this stuff on VHS for a decade.
> >
> > Whcih means it probably looks like crap, as does mine. The DVD extras
> > are nicely mastered, considering the age of the source material.
> >
> > And the two hour interview with Roddy was made FOR this thing, so none
> > of you had that, at least, right? I know, a shame it's not a two hour
> > interview with Tims Roth and Burton, but they'll get you for that at
> > Xmas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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>
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>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Is POTA still an American Myth?

In a message dated 8/8/01 3:27:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

It was Rick Baker who wanted them to film the Serling script (he said in
"Makeup Artist" magazine). Burton, Zanuck and Baker all hated the Broyles
version. But Burton has always maintained he didn't want to go near the
originals, except for cute little moments.

Burton said he didn't like his "Batman" movie and that's what convinced
him to do the sequel; do a better one. I think the same thing will apply
here. If anything the bad reception will attract him.

I think as far as Fox is concerned, the film is a success. Wahlberg said
they might even give Burton more freedom on a sequel.

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

Then are you saying, Jeff, that there's hope yet and all is not lost!!!?

Oh, please let it be so!  Oh, pleeeeeeeeeease!

-- Rory
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<< I think the kindest thing that can be said about those that made the new
movie is that they were inept. I don't think they understood at all what
made the original film work, most depressingly of all Richard Zanuck. >>

I don't know why you find that depressing, Rory. He admitted that he didn't
have a clue about the blacklist subtext in the trial scene, in the Behind
doco. In fact he thought people were reading things into it after the fact.
It should be obvious he just doesn't get it. And he makes films for a
living! This is not a bright guy.
As far as Apes looking alike. I never thought they did. I've seen dealers
say that it's a picture of one ape when I can clearly see that it's another.
On the other had I have heard people saying they couldn't tell the new
gorillas apart. So... Whatever...
There was a guy at the film fest that said he felt the new film dragged. I
thought the only part that dragged was the climactic battle, which for me
made it anti climactic.

Tell us more....

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 2:18
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: linda harrisons role

It's a way to underline the importance of the Zanucks in the originals.
Meanwhile, Natalie Trundy didn't even get a phone call. But it's not over
yet.

- - -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: linda harrisons role


>
> In a message dated 8/2/01 10:08:23 PM, mlccougar@... writes:
>
> << I'll tell ya why they had her in there....to get curiousity seekers.She
> was
> just used to get people in to see the movie, regardless of screen time. >>
>
> That's doubtful. I don't think Linda Harrison is a big enough name to draw
> people to see a movie (most people who are not Apes fans probably don't
even
> know who she is).
>
> She was probably in the movie because her ex-hubby was the producer and
their
> kids begged him to get her in there somewhere.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Well, let's just say I've been looking into ways to right what once went
wrong. Just call me Scott Bakula. Part of it was getting Arthur and
Natalie's names out there during the Zanuckfest. The "Starlog", the
"Premiere", the books. Natalie had more pictures than anyone in the
"unofficial companion", she's very prominent in "Revisited" (in his intro,
Joe says the book literally couldn't have been written without her). I noted
how in the Fox special Zanuck only referred to Jacobs as "a guy" who came
into his office with 'Apes". Well, Zanuck, people are going to remember
"that guy's" POTA, not yours.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: linda harrisons role


> Tell us more....
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 2:18
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: linda harrisons role
>
> It's a way to underline the importance of the Zanucks in the originals.
> Meanwhile, Natalie Trundy didn't even get a phone call. But it's not over
> yet.
>
> - -
-
> - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: linda harrisons role
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 8/2/01 10:08:23 PM, mlccougar@... writes:
> >
> > << I'll tell ya why they had her in there....to get curiousity
seekers.She
> > was
> > just used to get people in to see the movie, regardless of screen time.
>>
> >
> > That's doubtful. I don't think Linda Harrison is a big enough name to
draw
> > people to see a movie (most people who are not Apes fans probably don't
> even
> > know who she is).
> >
> > She was probably in the movie because her ex-hubby was the producer and
> their
> > kids begged him to get her in there somewhere.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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In a message dated 8/8/01 5:45:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< The supposedly LEAST predictable movie (6th sense) for a while
took me about 15 minutes to figure. >>

Yeah, I sussed that one out right away. No surprises there.
The Usual Suspects was the last film that wasn't predictable.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 6:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

In "The New Yorker" David Denby says, "I can think of no better measure of
the ebbing intelligence of American movies than a comparison between this
film and the original "Planet", from 1968". They should put that on the ads
for "Apes" ( no they shouldn't!).

                                                                          
- - - Jeff K.



Yeah, I love it!  I'll have to go look at the rest of his review.  "The New
Yorker" gave PLANET one of it's best reviews back in '68.

It's really all very depressing actually, isn't it?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 6:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Well, all is not lost but most of it is. I doubt Tim Burton will become
Franklin Schaffner in two years.

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.



I doubt will get the sequel in two years, if at all.  (Hey, didn't Cornelius
say something like that in ESCAPE?)  I hope they take a good long time and
get a good script before they start anything, like fixing a release date --
an insane practice, by the way.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 6:49:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

There was a guy at the film fest that said he felt the new film dragged.  I
thought the only part that dragged was the climactic battle, which for me
made it anti climactic.

Yeah, that's something that I haven't mentioned about the new film -- which
I'm kind of getting tired of knocking because I really don't even want to
think about it anymore -- BUT, on top of everything else, it was sort of
boring -- because it had no story really!!!   I remember Zanuck saying, "If
you look at the original not much really happens in it."   HA!  HA!!   Now
he's made a new one where even less happens!!!   ASSHOLE!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlI saw on E! News tonight that Ben Affleck left rehab this weekend just long
enough to catch "Planet of the Apes."

I'll bet he wanted a drink afterward.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:18 PM

Subject: [pota] E! News Daily

I saw on E! News tonight that Ben Affleck left rehab this weekend just long
enough to catch "Planet of the Apes."

I'll bet he wanted a drink afterward.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:29 PM

Subject: [pota] Calling Alex.....

Alex,

 

Are you gonna tell us what you think of the remake?

 

Michael

 

 

 

Hey Mike.

I gave my coments when it first came out.

In a nut shell: I LOVED IT! TIM ROTH RULES!

SAW IT 4 TIMES AT THE MOVIES! AND HAVE IT ON VCD and VHS!

(but I guess I deserved that one after promoting it for over 8 months and not a word of thank you from fox)

SO I GUESS THAT MAKES IT 40 TIMES!

 

Best,

Al

 

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LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> Yeah, I sussed that one out right away. No surprises there.
> The Usual Suspects was the last film that wasn't predictable.

Go see Memento, before you forget to . . .

>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 8/8/01 10:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:

I would be very interested a copy of the new movie on VHS.  Any info would
be appreciated, feel free to e-mail me outside of the group.

Thanks!

Dan



You lousy bunch of bootlegging human bastards!!!   The God Damn DVDs will be
out on November 27th!!!   Can't you beasts wait till then?!!!!

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.htmlClick here: eBay item 1454312358 (Ends Aug-15-01 18:37:40 PDT ) - Planet of
the Apes DVD 2001 Movie New Paypal

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Direct from the land of bootlegs.
I'm sure Fox and eBay will be all over that one.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/2001 12:34:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

I'm sure Fox and eBay will be all over that one.

You'd be surprised how little e-bay cares.

-Caesar

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 10:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] E! News Daily

Good! He made a lot of you sit through "Pearl Harbor". How do YOU like it, Affleck? Maybe if he gets sober he'll choose better movies.

 

                                                                           - - - - Jeff K.

 

P.S.: His buddy Matt Damon turned down "Apes", but the guy in the comics adaptation looks like Damon.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:18 PM

Subject: [pota] E! News Daily

I saw on E! News tonight that Ben Affleck left rehab this weekend just long
enough to catch "Planet of the Apes."

I'll bet he wanted a drink afterward.

-- Rory
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.htmlRoddy Mcdowell Gay?Since when?I Never Knew he was i saw a n e Bio that told
his career but no kids or wife now that i think about it The never mentioned
it .are you Positive?Bryan<.html

Kim tells me Joe didn't write the book by himself. Larry something and
somebody else who were there last night helped him. I thought Russo was the
only author...
Does someone know who they are? Jeff? anyone? anyone? Bueller?

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 3:00:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

Roddy Mcdowell Gay?Since when?I Never Knew he was i saw a n e Bio that told
his career but no kids or wife now that i think about it The never
mentioned
it .are you Positive?Bryan

Yes. . . not that there's anything wrong with that!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 6:08:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Kim tells me Joe didn't write the book by himself.  Larry something and
somebody else who were there last night helped him. I thought Russo was the
only author...
Does someone know who they are?  Jeff?  anyone?  anyone?  Bueller?

Larry Landsman was Joe Russo's writing partner.  They both went out to Arthur
P. Jacobs' house in the early eighties to start doing the research.  The book
contains pictures of Larry when he was younger making himself up as an ape.

If any of you (hopefully ALL of you) get the POTA Revisited book and want to
send your comments to the authors, here are their e-mail addresses:

Joe Russo   strangedesire@...

Larry Landsman  LL1157@...

I know that they really want fan feedback as they'd like to do -- whatelse?
-- a sequel.

-- Rory<.html

.html Ya beat me to that one Rory!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/9/01 3:00:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:
 
 

Roddy Mcdowell Gay?Since when?I Never Knew he was i saw a n e Bio that told
his career but no kids or wife now that i think about it The never
mentioned
it .are you Positive?Bryan

Yes. . . not that there's anything wrong with that!

-- Rory
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Michael Whitty wrote:
"But I like the references to the originals (and I got at least one reference to
each of the first 5 - did anyone else?),"

Saw the new movie again tonight.Still kinda luke warm on the whole thing. it was
SO loud in the cinema, they must've had it cranked all the way up to "11". I
think I'm turning into Grampa Simpson in my old age. But there are a few scenes
that remind me of the original films,
PLANET: Obvious.
BENEATH: The ape army trekking through the desert w/ their flags ( and why the
hell does the Ari action figure have one as an accessory? )
ESCAPE: When Pericles lifts his visor after landing near the end
CONQUEST: Every scene where groups of Apes shrieked
BATTLE: The final Battle, Attar should have yelled "Now fight like Apes!"
Best,
KEN

Yup, that's some of them that I got. Hey, unlike the script writers for
most of the original sequels, it seemd these guys at least watched the first
5 films!!!!!

Ken, I look at this movie as being like "Stop the Planet of the Apes, I Want
to Get Off!!" or a Twilight Zone episode. It was not really a genuine POTA
movie but a movie that contained lots of POTA references. It was just made
by the gang that owns the name so they slapped the name on it to milk more
takings.

I really think we should all pool together and send a comment to Mr Burton
for his consideration - and can we point out some of the plot holes (or were
they to pay homage originals too???).

I think when the critics say this movie was made with fans in mind, the fans
they are talking about are really 30-45 year old people who have seen the
film and a sequel or 2.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 22:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] My opinion - SPOILERS.



Michael Whitty wrote:
"But I like the references to the originals (and I got at least one
reference to
each of the first 5 - did anyone else?),"

Saw the new movie again tonight.Still kinda luke warm on the whole thing. it
was
SO loud in the cinema, they must've had it cranked all the way up to "11". I
think I'm turning into Grampa Simpson in my old age. But there are a few
scenes
that remind me of the original films,
PLANET: Obvious.
BENEATH: The ape army trekking through the desert w/ their flags ( and why
the
hell does the Ari action figure have one as an accessory? )
ESCAPE: When Pericles lifts his visor after landing near the end
CONQUEST: Every scene where groups of Apes shrieked
BATTLE: The final Battle, Attar should have yelled "Now fight like Apes!"
Best,
KEN

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:14 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out eBay item 1454312358 (Ends Aug-15-01 18:37:40 PDT ) - Planet of the

Click here: eBay item 1454312358 (Ends Aug-15-01 18:37:40 PDT ) - Planet of
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:01 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Joe's book

In a message dated 8/9/01 6:08:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@...
writes:

Kim tells me Joe didn't write the book by himself.  Larry something and
somebody else who were there last night helped him. I thought Russo was the
only author...
Does someone know who they are?  Jeff?  anyone?  anyone?  Bueller?

Larry Landsman was Joe Russo's writing partner.  They both went out to Arthur
P. Jacobs' house in the early eighties to start doing the research.  The book
contains pictures of Larry when he was younger making himself up as an ape.

If any of you (hopefully ALL of you) get the POTA Revisited book and want to
send your comments to the authors, here are their e-mail addresses:

Joe Russo   strangedesire@...

Larry Landsman  LL1157@...

I know that they really want fan feedback as they'd like to do -- whatelse?
-- a sequel.

-- Rory

<.html

What accessory should Ari have? A bleeding heart?


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] My opinion - SPOILERS.


>
>
> Michael Whitty wrote:
> "But I like the references to the originals (and I got at least one
reference to
> each of the first 5 - did anyone else?),"
>
> Saw the new movie again tonight.Still kinda luke warm on the whole thing.
it was
> SO loud in the cinema, they must've had it cranked all the way up to "11".
I
> think I'm turning into Grampa Simpson in my old age. But there are a few
scenes
> that remind me of the original films,
> PLANET: Obvious.
> BENEATH: The ape army trekking through the desert w/ their flags ( and why
the
> hell does the Ari action figure have one as an accessory? )
> ESCAPE: When Pericles lifts his visor after landing near the end
> CONQUEST: Every scene where groups of Apes shrieked
> BATTLE: The final Battle, Attar should have yelled "Now fight like Apes!"
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>What accessory should Ari have? A bleeding heart?

Does the Daena figure come with a branding iron? That's the one scene in
the film that "moved" me, if you catch my meaning.

>
> - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [pota] My opinion - SPOILERS.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Michael Whitty wrote:
> > "But I like the references to the originals (and I got at least one
>reference to
> > each of the first 5 - did anyone else?),"
> >
> > Saw the new movie again tonight.Still kinda luke warm on the whole
>thing.
>it was
> > SO loud in the cinema, they must've had it cranked all the way up to
>"11".
>I
> > think I'm turning into Grampa Simpson in my old age. But there are a few
>scenes
> > that remind me of the original films,
> > PLANET: Obvious.
> > BENEATH: The ape army trekking through the desert w/ their flags ( and
>why
>the
> > hell does the Ari action figure have one as an accessory? )
> > ESCAPE: When Pericles lifts his visor after landing near the end
> > CONQUEST: Every scene where groups of Apes shrieked
> > BATTLE: The final Battle, Attar should have yelled "Now fight like
>Apes!"
> > Best,
> > KEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

_____

In today's Marilyn Beck column, she says it's a given that Fox will want a
sequel , but says Zanuck doesn't know when he'll be free to do it. But I
don't think Fox would wait for Zanuck. If he's truly too busy it'll probably
be handed off to his sons. Dean Zanuck is producing Tom Hanks' "Road to
Perdition". Linda H. told me he found the comic book it's based on.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:52 AM
Subject: [pota] My opinion - SPOILERS.


> Yup, that's some of them that I got. Hey, unlike the script writers for
> most of the original sequels, it seemd these guys at least watched the
first
> 5 films!!!!!
>
> Ken, I look at this movie as being like "Stop the Planet of the Apes, I
Want
> to Get Off!!" or a Twilight Zone episode. It was not really a genuine
POTA
> movie but a movie that contained lots of POTA references. It was just
made
> by the gang that owns the name so they slapped the name on it to milk more
> takings.
>
> I really think we should all pool together and send a comment to Mr Burton
> for his consideration - and can we point out some of the plot holes (or
were
> they to pay homage originals too???).
>
> I think when the critics say this movie was made with fans in mind, the
fans
> they are talking about are really 30-45 year old people who have seen the
> film and a sequel or 2.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 22:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] My opinion - SPOILERS.
>
>
>
> Michael Whitty wrote:
> "But I like the references to the originals (and I got at least one
> reference to
> each of the first 5 - did anyone else?),"
>
> Saw the new movie again tonight.Still kinda luke warm on the whole thing.
it
> was
> SO loud in the cinema, they must've had it cranked all the way up to "11".
I
> think I'm turning into Grampa Simpson in my old age. But there are a few
> scenes
> that remind me of the original films,
> PLANET: Obvious.
> BENEATH: The ape army trekking through the desert w/ their flags ( and why
> the
> hell does the Ari action figure have one as an accessory? )
> ESCAPE: When Pericles lifts his visor after landing near the end
> CONQUEST: Every scene where groups of Apes shrieked
> BATTLE: The final Battle, Attar should have yelled "Now fight like Apes!"
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:

> What accessory should Ari have? A bleeding heart?

realistic looking ape make up! ;)

.html Yeah, Just how dumb can a greedy person get?!!  Advertizing to get busted!  What will they think of next?

I know that many of the Burton Apes props that turned up on eBay prior to the film's release were confiscated by authorities (from the buyers), so be careful folks.  The Planet Hollywood auctions are ligit, but be careful of the other sellers, especially one that appears to be a girlfriend of a guy that worked for Rick Baker.  The cops are watching for those auctions.

Ask questions of the sellers.  Get proof that they are legally able to sell the items they claim to have.
Don't be a victim and be out you cash as well as the piece.  The police have taken several items from folks who innocently bought them off eBay, but because many of them were stolen from set, the items are being held as evidence.  It's unlikely the purchasers will ever see the items or their cash again.

Be careful.

Brian

Jack Krueger wrote:

  Are they crazy? The one place you don't sell a bootleg is e-bay. (though as far as I know it's not illegal to buy it.).                                                                                   - - - Jeff K.  

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:14 PM

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In a message dated 8/9/01 12:01:31 AM, Haristas@... writes:

<< You lousy bunch of bootlegging human bastards!!! The God Damn DVDs will
be
out on November 27th!!! Can't you beasts wait till then?!!!! >>

Hey! November 27th is my birthday. What an excellent gift this will make. I
figure if everyone on the list chips in 50 cents then we can swing this.

Mark your calenders...

Matt

If you want to see the movie again, go to the theatre. It'll help the
franchise. Screw the bootlegs. A pristine DVD will be here in a few months.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS


>
> In a message dated 8/9/01 12:01:31 AM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> << You lousy bunch of bootlegging human bastards!!! The God Damn DVDs
will
> be
> out on November 27th!!! Can't you beasts wait till then?!!!! >>
>
> Hey! November 27th is my birthday. What an excellent gift this will make.
I
> figure if everyone on the list chips in 50 cents then we can swing this.
>
> Mark your calenders...
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Many fans know that Boulle's novel has been neglected. Between movies it
seems impossible to find in current editions. An interview with a publisher
at Ballantine at Movieheadlines.com (from "USA Today") says that they've
gone back to press 3 times on it for the new movie (115,000 copies) and they
are planning to rerelease it after the movie in it's own edition and keep it
out there as a classic.


- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS


> If you want to see the movie again, go to the theatre. It'll help the
> franchise. Screw the bootlegs. A pristine DVD will be here in a few
months.
>
>
> - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 8/9/01 12:01:31 AM, Haristas@... writes:
> >
> > << You lousy bunch of bootlegging human bastards!!! The God Damn DVDs
> will
> > be
> > out on November 27th!!! Can't you beasts wait till then?!!!! >>
> >
> > Hey! November 27th is my birthday. What an excellent gift this will
make.
> I
> > figure if everyone on the list chips in 50 cents then we can swing this.
> >
> > Mark your calenders...
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Speaking of books, Cinescape.com reviews the movie novelization today and
says it doesn't fill in the gaps at all. In fact, it says it's even worse
storytelling than the movie. Gives it a grade of "F". How's those comic
books doing?


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:17 AM
Subject: [pota] Boulle'seye!


> Many fans know that Boulle's novel has been neglected. Between movies it
> seems impossible to find in current editions. An interview with a
publisher
> at Ballantine at Movieheadlines.com (from "USA Today") says that they've
> gone back to press 3 times on it for the new movie (115,000 copies) and
they
> are planning to rerelease it after the movie in it's own edition and keep
it
> out there as a classic.
>
>
> - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS
>
>
> > If you want to see the movie again, go to the theatre. It'll help the
> > franchise. Screw the bootlegs. A pristine DVD will be here in a few
> months.
> >
> >
> > - - - - Jeff K.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MTotsky@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/9/01 12:01:31 AM, Haristas@... writes:
> > >
> > > << You lousy bunch of bootlegging human bastards!!! The God Damn
DVDs
> > will
> > > be
> > > out on November 27th!!! Can't you beasts wait till then?!!!! >>
> > >
> > > Hey! November 27th is my birthday. What an excellent gift this will
> make.
> > I
> > > figure if everyone on the list chips in 50 cents then we can swing
this.
> > >
> > > Mark your calenders...
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >

> >
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 12:18:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Many fans know that Boulle's novel has been neglected. Between movies it
seems impossible to find in current editions. An interview with a publisher
at Ballantine at Movieheadlines.com (from "USA Today") says that they've
gone back to press 3 times on it for the new movie (115,000 copies) and they
are planning to rerelease it after the movie in it's own edition and keep it
out there as a classic.

                                                                           
     - - - Jeff K.

Well then, I guess something truly good has come from the new film being made.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 12:30:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Speaking of books, Cinescape.com reviews the movie novelization today and
says it doesn't fill in the gaps at all. In fact, it says it's even worse
storytelling than the movie. Gives it a grade of "F". How's those comic
books doing?

                                                                           
- - - - Jeff K.

Why does this news not surprise me?

-- Rory<.html

.html I thought that Pearl Harbor was an excellent movie!

From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
Organization: n/a
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:52:26 -0700
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [pota] E! News Daily

Good! He made a lot of you sit through "Pearl Harbor". How do YOU like it, Affleck? Maybe if he gets sober he'll choose better movies.

                                                                          - - - - Jeff K.

P.S.: His buddy Matt Damon turned down "Apes", but the guy in the comics adaptation looks like Damon.

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:18 PM
Subject: [pota] E! News Daily

I saw on E! News tonight that Ben Affleck left rehab this weekend just long
enough to catch "Planet of the Apes."

I'll bet he wanted a drink afterward.

-- Rory

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