Or maybe a removable mask - maybe under that smooth exterior face lies a
real chimp face a la the Beneath mutants........

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2001 0:51
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Batteries not included

What accessory should Ari have? A bleeding heart?

- - - - Jeff K.

No discrimination T. I am 36 in a couple of weeks too.

I was just saying that when the comment is made that this film will please
the FANS, they are probably loosely referring to fans as people who
incidentally saw some movies back then and remember them fondly.

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2001 6:23
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] My opinion - SPOILERS.

In a message dated 8/9/01 8:00:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
<< I think when the critics say this movie was made with fans in mind, the
fans
they are talking about are really 30-45 year old people who have seen the
film and a sequel or 2. >>
What's with the age discrimination, Mike?
I'm in that age group. I've seen the film and the sequels.
And I didn't get the feeling that this movie was made with me in mind.

I saw the twelve inch electronic talking Attar doll at Toys R Us last night
and one of the lines that it says is:

"The only good human, is a dead human!"

I don't recall that line in the new film.

Confused Matt

PS The toy sucked!

All their 12"ers suck. They make the ones they released a couple years ago
look like works of art, and people hated those too. Leo looks like he's had
paint spilled on him, Attar has a plastic head with no fur (except spewing
from his arms and legs). I like the 7" Attar, Leo and Thade. Other than that
I'd rather keep after the Medicoms.

Oh. In the new "Previews" it says the Kubricks will be imported in
December for $14.95 a set. That's worth the price, for those who couldn't
get them as imports.

-
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: [pota] Attar saw BENEATH???


> I saw the twelve inch electronic talking Attar doll at Toys R Us last
night
> and one of the lines that it says is:
>
> "The only good human, is a dead human!"
>
> I don't recall that line in the new film.
>
> Confused Matt
>
> PS The toy sucked!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Can someone provide me with an update on the Planet of the Apes videogame that
is (was?) supposed to be released soon? I'd love to finally have a decent game
based on the movies.

Les Rayburn

There was an article in "Variety" a couple of months ago saying they've
shelved it for now because they don't want kiddies to get confused between
the also-ran original and their beloved Burton version.

-
- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Rayburn" <les@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:46 PM
Subject: [pota] New POTA Videogames?


>
> Can someone provide me with an update on the Planet of the Apes videogame
that
> is (was?) supposed to be released soon? I'd love to finally have a decent
game
> based on the movies.
>
> Les Rayburn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 08/09/2001 6:03:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MTotsky@... writes:

<< I saw the twelve inch electronic talking Attar doll at Toys R Us last
night
and one of the lines that it says is:

"The only good human, is a dead human!"

I don't recall that line in the new film.

Confused Matt

PS The toy sucked! >>

I was renting a DVD in Blockbuster over the weekend and they had some stuff
from the new movie. I picked up an Attar key chain. There's a button below
his head that makes his mouth open in a roar when you push it. It's kind of
cool and was only $4 so I got it, and NO I'm not using it for a key chain.
That's all I'll buy from the new movie.

-- Rory

In a message dated 8/9/01 4:56:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I was just saying that when the comment is made that this film will please
the FANS, they are probably loosely referring to fans as people who
incidentally saw some movies back then and remember them fondly. >>

Oh, okay. Yeah, it did give me that Apey feeling from time to time. I just
think they should have asked the fans what would have played well and what
wouldn't. Then they might have pleased more of them and the movie going
public and critics alike.

In a message dated 8/9/01 5:58:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< they've shelved it for now because they don't want kiddies to get confused
between the also-ran original and their beloved Burton version >>

But it is based on the original, right?
Or are they just going to convert it over to the new characters to try and
make a few more bucks?

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:59 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS

In a message dated 8/8/01 10:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:

I would be very interested a copy of the new movie on VHS.  Any info would
be appreciated, feel free to e-mail me outside of the group.

Thanks!

Dan

You lousy bunch of bootlegging human bastards!!!   The God Damn DVDs will be
out on November 27th!!!   Can't you beasts wait till then?!!!!

-- "DICK" Zanuck
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:17:51 -0700 "Jack Krueger"
<williejoe@...> writes:

> Many fans know that Boulle's novel has been neglected. Between movies

it

> seems impossible to find in current editions. An interview with a

publisher

> at Ballantine at Movieheadlines.com (from "USA Today") says that

they've

> gone back to press 3 times on it for the new movie (115,000 copies)
> and they are planning to rerelease it after the movie in it's own

edition and

> keep it out there as a classic.

Check this out:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517209489/qid=997402268/sr=1-8/re
f=sc_b_8/107-6235840-5991741


It's the Cinema Classics version of the Boulle novel. I found one in my
local Waldenbooks (red tag special no less) and the liner notes said that
the company was dedicated to putting the novels that "classic films" were
based on back into print. At the time, their next project was 'Bridge
Over the River Kwai'. I also remember seeing a version in Coliseum Books
in NYC about 10 years ago (yeesh!!) that had a picture of Ursus on the
cover- the promo photo from BENEATH where he's riding on a horse with
pistol in hand. As I recall, it had a kind of white-ish background. So it
has been in print at least sporadically.


Chris L.
____

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 8:55:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:

Thanks for the information....I think....(this place is a MADHOUSE!)

Where did you hear it would be out on Nov 27?



Oh, it's general knowledge, dude.   The POTA TV series will be out on DVD at
or around the same time.   Get with the simian beat, man!

-- Rory<.html

It's kinda a mixture between the movie, the book and new stuff thrown in
(baboons). But it's not like the new movie.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] New POTA Videogames?


> In a message dated 8/9/01 5:58:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << they've shelved it for now because they don't want kiddies to get
confused
> between the also-ran original and their beloved Burton version >>
>
> But it is based on the original, right?
> Or are they just going to convert it over to the new characters to try and
> make a few more bucks?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS

In a message dated 8/9/01 8:55:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:

Thanks for the information....I think....(this place is a MADHOUSE!)

Where did you hear it would be out on Nov 27?

Oh, it's general knowledge, dude.   The POTA TV series will be out on DVD at
or around the same time.   Get with the simian beat, man!

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 10:16:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Rory is Richard Zanuck's adopted son, the ape sheep of the family. That's
how he knows!                               - - - - Jeff K.

I wish I was his adopted son.  That way I figure I'd have a pretty good
chance of getting my hands around his throat!

-- Rory<.html

.html <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/01 11:55:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Hi Bryan

The last one I sent went to:

17802 N.19th

Avenue Appartment # 36
Phoenix   AZ   85023

Is this right?

Michael


Now I'm not saying anything here either way (not for or against it), but
wouldn't it be more appropriate for you guys to do your dealings outside of
the postings?

I mean its not too hard to get their email addresses (since they are on every
posting), so maybe in the future, you could just contact each other privately
concerning personal dealings, etc...




<.html

Does anyone have an extra Ursus Medicom they would like to sell me? Since the
new movie has come out I've totally gotten into the original stuff big time
getting a set of the magazines so far and now I want a few Medicom's. If not,
anyone have a complete Ursus Mego that they want to get rid of? Email me off
the list if you do.
Thanks!

Loc

.html Hi Loc,

Here's a list of current REPUTABLE dealers stocking Medicoms.  Anyone else in the group that has good-guy vendors not on this list feel free to forward their info to me and I'll add them to the list.

As you may or may not know Medicom is only licensed to sell the figures in Japanese markets.

All non-Japanese dealers travel to that market to purchase the toys and
bring them back to the UK, AUS, the USA, and other countries.  That's why they are so pricey.
 

Many of these dealers may be carrying figures from the new movie as well, so you may want to ask them if they have any in stock.

Here's our current list of dealers:

•        justbe@... <http://www.justbetoys.com>  <support@...> (OREGON)
•        <http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.com/>
•        Robotorium@... (NYC)
•        amoktime@... (NYC)
•        <www.toysyndicate.com>
•        uor-ltd@...
•        amidala_anakin@...
•        info@...
•        moriyama@... (AUS)
•        toyworkz@...
•        Peter Payne <jlist@...> (Hong Kong)

     MEDICOM DEALER's LIST COURTESY of:
     Brian Penikas
     Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
     Make-up & Monsters Studios
     c/o 21115 Devonshire Street, #109
     Chatsworth, California
     91311 (a.r.r.)
     USA
     (818) 886-MKUP (6587) STUDIO
     (818) 709-MKUP (6587) FAX

 

locutusatwolf359@... wrote:

Does anyone have an extra Ursus Medicom they would like to sell me? Since the
new movie has come out I've totally gotten into the original stuff big time
getting a set of the magazines so far and now I want a few Medicom's. If not,
anyone have a complete Ursus Mego that they want to get rid of? Email me off
the list if you do.
Thanks!

Loc

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Thanks Brian I'll check it out!

Loc


In a message dated 8/10/01 3:09:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
apeman@... writes:

<< Hi Loc,

Here's a list of current REPUTABLE dealers stocking Medicoms. Anyone else in
the group that has good-guy vendors not on this list feel free to forward
their
info to me and I'll add them to the list.

As you may or may not know Medicom is only licensed to sell the figures in
Japanese markets.

> All non-Japanese dealers travel to that market to purchase the toys and
> bring them back to the UK, AUS, the USA, and other countries. That's why

they

> are so pricey.
>
>
> Many of these dealers may be carrying figures from the new movie as well,

so

> you may want to ask them if they have any in stock.
>
> Here's our current list of dealers:
>
> * justbe@... <http://www.justbetoys.com>
> <support@...> (OREGON)
> * <http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.com/>
> * Robotorium@... (NYC)
> * amoktime@... (NYC)
> * <www.toysyndicate.com>
> * uor-ltd@...
> * amidala_anakin@...
> * info@...
> * moriyama@... (AUS)
> * toyworkz@...
> * Peter Payne <jlist@...> (Hong Kong)
>
> MEDICOM DEALER's LIST COURTESY of:
> Brian Penikas
> Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
> Make-up & Monsters Studios
> c/o 21115 Devonshire Street, #109
> Chatsworth, California
> 91311 (a.r.r.)
> USA
> (818) 886-MKUP (6587) STUDIO
> (818) 709-MKUP (6587) FAX

locutusatwolf359@... wrote:

> Does anyone have an extra Ursus Medicom they would like to sell me? Since

the

> new movie has come out I've totally gotten into the original stuff big time
> getting a set of the magazines so far and now I want a few Medicom's. If

not,

> anyone have a complete Ursus Mego that they want to get rid of? Email me

off

> the list if you do.
> Thanks!
>
> Loc
>
>
>
>
>
>>

Anyone know a site where i can find many photos
of the movie, especially of Ari (Helena Bonham Carter) ?
I visit www.cinema.com and the oficial site, but i
want more photos or vidcaps about this new movie.
I anyone can help me, thanks !
Please post the answer in this board.

Attachments :

.htmlOkay, the attached photo is not that great, it's dark, but it is a snapshot
of Kim Hunter at the signing in New York for the Joe Russo/Larry Landsman
"Planet of the Apes Revisited" book.  I just got it sent to me from Landsman,
who says the book is selling well and the publisher is already talking
reprint and putting out feelers to Fox for a more extensive color photo
section.

-- Rory<.html

I've had a couple bad experiences with Fantasia toys. Don't be put off by
the webtv address - after buying from Amok Time and Just Be,
uor-ltd@... was a dream dealer.

>From: Brian <apeman@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Got Ursus?
>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:05:51 -0700
>
>Hi Loc,
>
>Here's a list of current REPUTABLE dealers stocking Medicoms. Anyone else
>in
>the group that has good-guy vendors not on this list feel free to forward
>their
>info to me and I'll add them to the list.
>
>As you may or may not know Medicom is only licensed to sell the figures in
>Japanese markets.
>
> > All non-Japanese dealers travel to that market to purchase the toys and
> > bring them back to the UK, AUS, the USA, and other countries. That's
>why they
> > are so pricey.
> >
> >
> > Many of these dealers may be carrying figures from the new movie as
>well, so
> > you may want to ask them if they have any in stock.
> >
> > Here's our current list of dealers:
> >
> > * justbe@... <http://www.justbetoys.com>
> > <support@...> (OREGON)
> > * <http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.com/>
> > * Robotorium@... (NYC)
> > * amoktime@... (NYC)
> > * <www.toysyndicate.com>
> > * uor-ltd@...
> > * amidala_anakin@...
> > * info@...
> > * moriyama@... (AUS)
> > * toyworkz@...
> > * Peter Payne <jlist@...> (Hong Kong)
> >
> > MEDICOM DEALER's LIST COURTESY of:
> > Brian Penikas
> > Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
> > Make-up & Monsters Studios
> > c/o 21115 Devonshire Street, #109
> > Chatsworth, California
> > 91311 (a.r.r.)
> > USA
> > (818) 886-MKUP (6587) STUDIO
> > (818) 709-MKUP (6587) FAX
>
>
>
>locutusatwolf359@... wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have an extra Ursus Medicom they would like to sell me?
>Since the
> > new movie has come out I've totally gotten into the original stuff big
>time
> > getting a set of the magazines so far and now I want a few Medicom's. If
>not,
> > anyone have a complete Ursus Mego that they want to get rid of? Email me
>off
> > the list if you do.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Loc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

_____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:05 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Got Ursus?

Hi Loc,

Here's a list of current REPUTABLE dealers stocking Medicoms.  Anyone else in the group that has good-guy vendors not on this list feel free to forward their info to me and I'll add them to the list.

As you may or may not know Medicom is only licensed to sell the figures in Japanese markets.

All non-Japanese dealers travel to that market to purchase the toys and
bring them back to the UK, AUS, the USA, and other countries.  That's why they are so pricey.
 

Many of these dealers may be carrying figures from the new movie as well, so you may want to ask them if they have any in stock.

Here's our current list of dealers:

•        justbe@... <http://www.justbetoys.com>  <support@...> (OREGON)
•        <http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.com/>
•        Robotorium@... (NYC)
•        amoktime@... (NYC)
•        <www.toysyndicate.com>
•        uor-ltd@...
•        amidala_anakin@...
•        info@...
•        moriyama@... (AUS)
•        toyworkz@...
•        Peter Payne <jlist@...> (Hong Kong)

     MEDICOM DEALER's LIST COURTESY of:
     Brian Penikas
     Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
     Make-up & Monsters Studios
     c/o 21115 Devonshire Street, #109
     Chatsworth, California
     91311 (a.r.r.)
     USA
     (818) 886-MKUP (6587) STUDIO
     (818) 709-MKUP (6587) FAX

 

locutusatwolf359@... wrote:

Does anyone have an extra Ursus Medicom they would like to sell me? Since the
new movie has come out I've totally gotten into the original stuff big time
getting a set of the magazines so far and now I want a few Medicom's. If not,
anyone have a complete Ursus Mego that they want to get rid of? Email me off
the list if you do.
Thanks!

Loc

------------------------ ---------------------~-->
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any of you purchase this? I've had it for about a week and I think
it's pretty excellent; not terribly groundbreaking or anything, but
very suspenseful and tribal. I'm even starting to dig the Rule The
Planet Remix.

Bet the soundtrack gets nominated for an Oscar.

Just like the movie, it's easy to try to compare this to Jerry Goldsmith's
groundbreaking and classic score to the original, but don't even try. Elfman
said he was never really a fan and had only seen the original once in his
life before taking it on (he did it for one reason: he does most of Burton's
films). As with the movie, accept it or don't accept it for what it is.

This music didn't hook me right away but it grew on me. Some of it is
really intense, it just keeps building and actually makes my speakers
rattle. Elfman said he cottoned to the images of the ape army, so it has
more a military "Beneath" feel than the otherworldly feel of the original
(oops! There I go comparing again. Sorry). I don't usually buy soundtracks
and basically I bought it because it's POTA. But I'm enjoying it. For the
record I bought it AFTER I saw the movie.

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: [pota] Danny Elfman sountrack


> any of you purchase this? I've had it for about a week and I think
> it's pretty excellent; not terribly groundbreaking or anything, but
> very suspenseful and tribal. I'm even starting to dig the Rule The
> Planet Remix.
>
> Bet the soundtrack gets nominated for an Oscar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.

I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .

Ben

I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella Warren
(which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon. Wahlberg
asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as the
wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer and
the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who taught
them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup of
an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
Subject: [pota] Nova


> I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
>
> I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
> like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I saw the movie again.
It's starting to grow on me.
It's not bad once you get used to it. But a couple of thing occurred to me.
In the scene where Ari says to Davidson, "Perhaps we're not so different."
and he says to her, "No, we're very different. You only care for others."
That pretty much sums his character up in a nut shell. Which is basically
the same one he played in 3 Kings. Whether he wants to get the gold, or get
off the planet, it's all he cares about. Until the Iraqi's beat the crap out
of him. Maybe in the sequel the gorillas will kick the crap out of him and
he'll start to care about the folks he left behind. Also, when he says to
her, "Get me out of here and I'll show you something that will change your
world." I flashback to the final scene from Boogie Nights. Now that would
have been funnier than any of Paul Giamatti's onliners.

Looks like the sequel will be more like Monkey Planet.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Burton POTA on VHS

In a message dated 8/9/01 10:16:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Rory is Richard Zanuck's adopted son, the ape sheep of the family. That's
how he knows!                               - - - - Jeff K.

I wish I was his adopted son.  That way I figure I'd have a pretty good
chance of getting my hands around his throat!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

I thought there were some serious similarities in the music to that of the
first film.

Did anyone else think so?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 2:34
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Danny Elfman sountrack

Just like the movie, it's easy to try to compare this to Jerry Goldsmith's
groundbreaking and classic score to the original, but don't even try. Elfman
said he was never really a fan and had only seen the original once in his
life before taking it on (he did it for one reason: he does most of Burton's
films). As with the movie, accept it or don't accept it for what it is.

This music didn't hook me right away but it grew on me. Some of it is
really intense, it just keeps building and actually makes my speakers
rattle. Elfman said he cottoned to the images of the ape army, so it has
more a military "Beneath" feel than the otherworldly feel of the original
(oops! There I go comparing again. Sorry). I don't usually buy soundtracks
and basically I bought it because it's POTA. But I'm enjoying it. For the
record I bought it AFTER I saw the movie.

- -
- - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: [pota] Danny Elfman sountrack


> any of you purchase this? I've had it for about a week and I think
> it's pretty excellent; not terribly groundbreaking or anything, but
> very suspenseful and tribal. I'm even starting to dig the Rule The
> Planet Remix.
>
> Bet the soundtrack gets nominated for an Oscar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2001 16:13
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] ADDRESS

In a message dated 8/9/01 11:55:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Hi Bryan

The last one I sent went to:

17802 N.19th

Avenue Appartment # 36
Phoenix   AZ   85023

Is this right?

Michael

Now I'm not saying anything here either way (not for or against it), but
wouldn't it be more appropriate for you guys to do your dealings outside of
the postings?

I mean its not too hard to get their email addresses (since they are on every
posting), so maybe in the future, you could just contact each other privately
concerning personal dealings, etc...





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.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 5:49:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

I thought there were some serious similarities in the music to that of the
first film.

Did anyone else think so?

Michael

Yes, I did, at least in the main title music.  I don't know enough about
music to talk about it properly, but Elfman does have a sound during the main
title cue that sounds a lot like Goldsmith's use of the desending slide
whistle, and I think I can hear a variation on Goldsmith's PLANET theme.  The
only way I can describe that theme here is to ask if any of you can hear it
in the original score whenever the music goes like. . . dum. . .dum. . .dum .
. .dum.   NOT the notes that open the score, but the little tune that's heard
every so often.

Anyway, I think Elfman could have done a better job with the score if he'd
had more time, but then that's true of the film overall.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 5:53:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Yeah that was an accident - I was in a hurry and accidentally sent to the
group.  My ape-ologies.

But now anyone who want to stalk Bryan can do so with ease....so be nice
Bryan!!!

Michael


Now that I know that Bryan lives in Phoenix, Arizona, I'd like to ask him if
he's ever been upstate to visit Lake Powell?   I've been there a couple of
times, and if any of you get a chance to go there -- go!  It's pretty cool --
except in summer when it's pretty hot, and covered with house boats.

-- Rory<.html

.html A few years back, my wife and I went to lake Powell during a driving holiday in the U.S. It is pretty cool and while my wife drove, I kept my eye out for little yellow inflatable boats....and scarecrows!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/10/01 5:53:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 
 

Yeah that was an accident - I was in a hurry and accidentally sent to the
group.  My ape-ologies.

But now anyone who want to stalk Bryan can do so with ease....so be nice
Bryan!!!

Michael

Now that I know that Bryan lives in Phoenix, Arizona, I'd like to ask him if
he's ever been upstate to visit Lake Powell?   I've been there a couple of
times, and if any of you get a chance to go there -- go!  It's pretty cool --
except in summer when it's pretty hot, and covered with house boats.

-- Rory
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.html I quite like the soundtrack. Then again, I like most of Eflman's work. Parts of it do appear rushed as there isn't much variety compared to Goldsmith's original. It probably took Paul Oakenfield about three minutes to compose his remix..but it's growing on me too.
Can't imagine them playing it in a nightclub though. Maybe the extended version is better?
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/10/01 5:49:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:
 
 

I thought there were some serious similarities in the music to that of the
first film.

Did anyone else think so?

Michael
 

Yes, I did, at least in the main title music.  I don't know enough about
music to talk about it properly, but Elfman does have a sound during the main
title cue that sounds a lot like Goldsmith's use of the desending slide
whistle, and I think I can hear a variation on Goldsmith's PLANET theme.  The
only way I can describe that theme here is to ask if any of you can hear it
in the original score whenever the music goes like. . . dum. . .dum. . .dum .
. .dum.   NOT the notes that open the score, but the little tune that's heard
every so often.

Anyway, I think Elfman could have done a better job with the score if he'd
had more time, but then that's true of the film overall.

-- Rory
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 6:44:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

A few years back, my wife and I went to lake Powell during a driving holiday
in the U.S. It is pretty cool and while my wife drove, I kept my eye out
for little yellow inflatable boats....and scarecrows!
Best,
KEN

I went to not only the spot where they had the spaceship, but also to where
the astronauts did some of there 'trekking' including where they slid down
the hill, ran from the rolling boulder, and had their 'water check.'   
Someday we should really have a POTA convention in Page, Arizona.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlSeems like most of the POTA commercials nowadays are on the Cartoon Channel
(Yes, I tune in every so often to catch an old Bugs Bunny or something)

Anyway, I said Fox wanted a kids movie, and that's what they're selling.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlSo, how many have gotten this DVD yet?  I got mine a few days ago and I think
it's great.  It's wonderful to have the test film and the other extras on DVD
with such a clear picture and sound.  There's lots of stuff I'd like to talk
about, but I'm not sure how many have got this yet.

The Roddy McDowall interview is wonderful because of the things Roddy says,
often just off the cuff.  One of the amazing things he says is that he's
NEVER seen BENEATH and that he can't remember a thing about BATTLE, except
that it wasn't as good as the others. (Duh!)

-- Rory<.html

.htmlOne of the author's of "Planet of the Apes Revisited,"  Larry Landsman, will
be doing a live chat on Monday night after 7 or 8 PM on
www.planetoftheapesonline.com

-- Rory<.html

.htmlRory I bought it,and loved the extras!The featurettes on Escape behind scenes
and Conquest! Battle had its moments the Aldo and Caesar confrontation! Apes
join Human race! Roddy loved playing Galen the best and he never talked to
Ron Harper at all .He should have rented Beneath movie and Battle.He seemed a
little forgetful I guess with his age and all 70 years,but he looked good No
Behind scenes on Tv series I wished that was on there! Bryan paid 24.99 for it
<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:29 PM

Subject: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD

So, how many have gotten this DVD yet?  I got mine a few days ago and I think
it's great.  It's wonderful to have the test film and the other extras on DVD
with such a clear picture and sound.  There's lots of stuff I'd like to talk
about, but I'm not sure how many have got this yet.

The Roddy McDowall interview is wonderful because of the things Roddy says,
often just off the cuff.  One of the amazing things he says is that he's
NEVER seen BENEATH and that he can't remember a thing about BATTLE, except
that it wasn't as good as the others. (Duh!)

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlI heard the Planet apes chronicals Paul Woods has ben delayed until OCTOBER
My bookstore told me today,Bummer! Bryan<.html

It's obvious they meant for the character to be the way he is but if he's
so selfish why does he risk his life and his career to save his chimp?
Obviously he's shown to care for chimps more than people, thus the good
relationship with Ari. Yet he's shown to have a lot of human friends (the
party transmission). But he's definitely underwritten. Probably Burton would
say, as it was remarked about the ending, that it's up to the audience to
fill in the blanks.


- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:47 PM
Subject: [pota] Take 2!


>
> I saw the movie again.
> It's starting to grow on me.
> It's not bad once you get used to it. But a couple of thing occurred to
me.
> In the scene where Ari says to Davidson, "Perhaps we're not so different."
> and he says to her, "No, we're very different. You only care for others."
> That pretty much sums his character up in a nut shell. Which is basically
> the same one he played in 3 Kings. Whether he wants to get the gold, or
get
> off the planet, it's all he cares about. Until the Iraqi's beat the crap
out
> of him. Maybe in the sequel the gorillas will kick the crap out of him
and
> he'll start to care about the folks he left behind. Also, when he says to
> her, "Get me out of here and I'll show you something that will change your
> world." I flashback to the final scene from Boogie Nights. Now that
would
> have been funnier than any of Paul Giamatti's onliners.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlRory,I have been to lake Powell Its nice in the Fall and the springtime thats
when i like to go.I rent Jet Skies or go on my friends boat.Right now in Phx
its 104 degrees very humid 70 persent! You know they never even showed any
good shots of powell in the new movie at all! Just a fake hollywood crash!I
wanted to compare the original one with the new one as far as scenary
goes.Why shoot there if its not going to be in the Film! Bryan<.html

.htmlMichael,you had it right Bryan<.html

.htmlIs Tim Burtons Apes going to DVD in nov? That seems too soon! I was thinking
January Bryan<.html

Where did you guys hear POTA will be on video in November? That is way too
soon! That's only about 4 months while Hannibal comes out on DVD August 21st
and was in theaters in February making it about 6 months from theater to
DVD/VHS.

Loc


In a message dated 8/10/01 7:41:48 PM Central Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

<< Is Tim Burtons Apes going to DVD in nov? That seems too soon! I was
thinking
January Bryan

>>

.htmlYes it is !<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:51 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] ADDRESS

Yes it is !

<.html

<< Anyway, I think Elfman could have done a better job with the score if he'd
had more time, but then that's true of the film overall. >>

In addition to the next film being more like Monkey Planet with apes in
helicopter and such, it should be a lot easier and cheaper to make. They
aren't going to have to haul hundreds of people and their lunch out to the
middle of nowhere. It can all be shot in on sound stages and on location in
LA and DC. More money for "Dick" Zanuck. I sure hope they spends a lot of
it on good writers.

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD

  What all does Roddy talk about? It's a 2 hour interview and cutting out "Beneath" and "Battle" cuts out a lot. Is it all POTA?

 

                                                                           - - - - Jeff K.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:29 PM

Subject: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD

So, how many have gotten this DVD yet?  I got mine a few days ago and I think
it's great.  It's wonderful to have the test film and the other extras on DVD
with such a clear picture and sound.  There's lots of stuff I'd like to talk
about, but I'm not sure how many have got this yet.

The Roddy McDowall interview is wonderful because of the things Roddy says,
often just off the cuff.  One of the amazing things he says is that he's
NEVER seen BENEATH and that he can't remember a thing about BATTLE, except
that it wasn't as good as the others. (Duh!)

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 8:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 What all does Roddy talk about? It's a 2 hour interview and cutting out
"Beneath" and "Battle" cuts out a lot. Is it all POTA?

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.




Hey, when are you going to buy it, Mr. K?   Roddy talks about 'alot' of
stuff, including his remembrances of Arthur P. Jacobs and Franklin J.
Schaffner.  The people interviewing him sure could have been more
knowledgeable and organized, but McDowall's comments are so good you forget
all that.  Listening to him for nearly two hours was almost like having an
intimate conversation with him, and really made me forget how lousy I've been
feeling over the shortcomings of the new movie.  Oh, and wait till you hear
what he says about the idea of doing a remake of POTA!  How right he was.  
Get out this weekend and get it!

-- Rory

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 8/10/01 7:27:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Obviously he's shown to care for chimps more than people, thus the good
relationship with Ari. >>

Well, it's obvious he can't commit to a relationship. He's been away for two
years and doesn't seem to mind. And as soon as chimps become people he
doesn't care about them either. He's always running off into the unknown.
And in a pretty fast ship too. That little pod made it all the way back to
Earth without even having to make a rest stop! And he's a risk taker. Seems
the only risk he won't take is picking a planet and sticking with it. It
seems Burton left a lot of his work to us. See, it is a thinking man's
movie. It's kept me scratching my head, wondering where they went wrong.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 8:27:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 It's obvious they meant for the character to be the way he is but if he's
so selfish why does he risk his life and his career to save his chimp?
Obviously he's shown to care for chimps more than people, thus the good
relationship with Ari. Yet he's shown to have a lot of human friends (the
party transmission). But he's definitely underwritten. Probably Burton would
say, as it was remarked about the ending, that it's up to the audience to
fill in the blanks.

                                                                           
    - - - Jeff K.

Jeffery, Jeffery, Jeffery. . . are you nuts?  Come on.  The answer to all
these questions about the new film simply comes down to:  IT'S A LOUSY
SCRIPT!!!!

I've taken dumps with more substance than the script to Burton's POTA!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 8:34:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

Rory,I have been to lake Powell Its nice in the Fall and the springtime
thats
when i like to go.I rent Jet Skies or go on my friends boat.Right now in
Phx
its 104 degrees very humid 70 persent! You know they never even showed any
good shots of powell in the new movie at all! Just a fake hollywood crash!I
wanted to compare the original one with the new one as far as scenary
goes.Why shoot there if its not going to be in the Film! Bryan

You are so right there!  They made the mistake of filming in November, but
they were supposed to start a month earlier and I think because the weather
was so overcast when they were at Lake Powell, they had to do reshoots in
California.

Too bad, too bad.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 8/10/01 7:58:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Movieheadlines.net says POTA will be shown digitally in 9 North American
theatres starting today and one London theatre Aug. 17. >>

To be honest I didn't think much of the digital screening of Star Wars.
They have a long way to go yet if they want to compete with film.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 8:41:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

Is Tim Burtons Apes going to DVD in nov? That seems too soon! I was thinking
January Bryan

November 27th is the date for Burton's POTA on DVD.  The film companies like
to get the movies out fast on video these days for two reasons, to get the
money (Duh!), and to undercut the bootleggers.

Oh, and POTA comes to HBO in January.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 8:45:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

Where did you guys hear POTA will be on video in November? That is way too
soon! That's only about 4 months while Hannibal comes out on DVD August
21st
and was in theaters in February making it about 6 months from theater to
DVD/VHS.

Loc

Hey!   We're talking Fox here.  Remember the old APES re-issue of all five
movies with the ads and posters that said "Fox Wants You To GO APE!"

Well, now it's "Fox Wants You To GIVE US THE MONEY!"

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 8:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Movieheadlines.net says POTA will be shown digitally in 9 North American
theatres starting today and one London theatre Aug. 17.

The site also says Fox wants POTA to pass the $200 million in North
America before they will commit to a sequel.

                                                                           
    - - - - Jeff K.



I went and read this, Mr. K.   I believe the part about it having to pass
$200 mill (which I think it may struggle to do), but the rest of it says that
if it does, Fox will then greenlight a remake of "Beneath the Planet of the
Apes"?!!!!!

That sounds crazy!

Did you read the other thing about the Boulle novel, and how an associate
publisher at Ballantine, some dude named Kuo-Yu Liang, says, "It's a really
cool book.  The films are sort of campy, and I didn't realize the book was
going to be so serious."

This is like a nightmare!  Have I awoken on the planet of the morons?  This
guy works for a major publishing company and he talks like Keanu Reeves!  
Scary!

This culture of ours is devolving, folks.  Make no mistake about it.  "Stop
the Planet of the Apes, I want to get off"  INDEED!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/01 10:58:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slave1@...
writes:

I like the fact that he said he was surprised no sequels had come out in
thirty years.

When the idea of a re-make was brought up, he said that idea was stupid and
there was nothing wrong with the original.  If anything they should
re-release that for the big screen.

Remake stupid?  You had that pegged right Roddy!



He sure did.   And he was so right when he talked about how unbelivable it
was that Fox hadn't restored the original and re-released it to theatres.   
Back in 1998 that's EXACTLY what they should have done.  Jeff Krueger saw the
restored print at the one anniversary showing they had for it in L.A. and. .
. well you tell them, Jeff.

But the point is that if Fox had made up a new ad campaign telling people
PLANET was back on the big screen, and made up some really cool TV
commercials, I'll bet PLANET would have made at least another $20 to $30
million in North America, maybe more!  Think of all the parents that saw it
as kids who would have brought their kids.  Everyone would have seen a better
movie than what they got with the 're-imaging' and Fox wouldn't have had to
spend $100 million!

-- Rory<.html

Attachments :

Hi! How are you?

I send you this file in order to have your advice

See you later. Thanks

Your computer is infected with the SirCam worm. Please see
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,45427,00.html" for more information.

Once again we get sent this virus!!!! The hackers must love us!!!

Loc


In a message dated 8/10/01 11:05:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
kgrandjean@... writes:

<< Hi! How are you?

I send you this file in order to have your advice

See you later. Thanks

>>

.htmlIn a message dated 8/11/01 12:06:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

Once again we get sent this virus!!!! The hackers must love us!!!

Loc

Yeah, I deleted that fast.

Rory<.html

<< I went and read this, Mr. K. I believe the part about it having to pass
$200 mill (which I think it may struggle to do), but the rest of it says
that
if it does, Fox will then greenlight a remake of "Beneath the Planet of the
Apes"?!!!!! >>

Lemme get this straight...Fox just spent a hundred million on a re-imagining.
Marky Mark is back on Earth with apes in flying machines and automobiles,
and they're gonna remake "Beneath"? Doesn't sound right to me. If skinless
mutants start popping out of the subways in the next film they have really
lost it! I may as well write the next one myself.

In a message dated 8/10/01 11:06:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

<< Once again we get sent this virus!!!! The hackers must love us!!! >>

We're just popular right now.
Wait till Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings comes out.
They'll forget all about us.

.htmlClick here: A Leader in Planet of the Apes Information

Here's one POTA site confirming the November 27th release date of the DVD.

-- Rory<.html

Attachments :

Here's a not to good Polaroid of the Ape stars in Memphis.
L to R, William Wendom, Kim Hunter and Wright King.
This'll have to do until I can get my film developed.
Sorry it's taking to long. Hey the Circle Jerks played Deep Ellum last night.
Whatdaya want? One hour developing? I'll probably end up doing just that.
I don't trust them with this film overnight.

In a message dated 8/10/01 6:53:50 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< I went to not only the spot where they had the spaceship, but also to
where
the astronauts did some of there 'trekking' including where they slid down
the hill, ran from the rolling boulder, and had their 'water check.'
Someday we should really have a POTA convention in Page, Arizona. >>

How do you know which spot is which? Are they clearly marked?

Matt

I got the DVD the other night, but I haven't had a chance to check it out yet
(I skimmed it a bit). When I do I will post my thoughts.

Matt

In a message dated 8/10/01 8:14:38 PM, Kay53531@... writes:

<< Bryan paid 24.99 for it >>

Matt paid 19.99 for it (at Best Buy).

Matt

Well, I'm still waiting for mine to get here. I went to my only store that
sells dvd's in town and of course they didn't have it. They never have
anything. So, I ordered it off Amazon.com but it wasn't in their warehouse so
it's taking a while. It sucks living out in the country in the middle of
nowhere.

Loc




In a message dated 8/11/01 1:18:35 AM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< In a message dated 8/10/01 8:14:38 PM, Kay53531@... writes:

<< Bryan paid 24.99 for it >>

Matt paid 19.99 for it (at Best Buy).

Matt

>>

.html Yeah, it worked for the Yech-orcist.

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/10/01 10:58:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slave1@...
writes:
 
 

I like the fact that he said he was surprised no sequels had come out in
thirty years.

When the idea of a re-make was brought up, he said that idea was stupid and
there was nothing wrong with the original.  If anything they should
re-release that for the big screen.

Remake stupid?  You had that pegged right Roddy!
 

He sure did.   And he was so right when he talked about how unbelivable it
was that Fox hadn't restored the original and re-released it to theatres.
Back in 1998 that's EXACTLY what they should have done.  Jeff Krueger saw the
restored print at the one anniversary showing they had for it in L.A. and. .
. well you tell them, Jeff.

But the point is that if Fox had made up a new ad campaign telling people
PLANET was back on the big screen, and made up some really cool TV
commercials, I'll bet PLANET would have made at least another $20 to $30
million in North America, maybe more!  Think of all the parents that saw it
as kids who would have brought their kids.  Everyone would have seen a better
movie than what they got with the 're-imaging' and Fox wouldn't have had to
spend $100 million!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Try living in ANOTHER country where it takes longer to get things and they cost
you twice as much 'cause your dollar's worth sh*t AND it costs more to ship the
item than it costs to buy it. Consider yourself lucky Loc.
Best,
KEN

locutusatwolf359@... wrote:

> Well, I'm still waiting for mine to get here. I went to my only store that
> sells dvd's in town and of course they didn't have it. They never have
> anything. So, I ordered it off Amazon.com but it wasn't in their warehouse so
> it's taking a while. It sucks living out in the country in the middle of
> nowhere.
>
> Loc
>
> In a message dated 8/11/01 1:18:35 AM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
> writes:
>
> << In a message dated 8/10/01 8:14:38 PM, Kay53531@... writes:
>
> << Bryan paid 24.99 for it >>
>
> Matt paid 19.99 for it (at Best Buy).
>
> Matt
> >>
>
>
>
>
>

No she did not get branded.

She shook her head in the wagon when Marky said "What is this place?".

She was also stretched up against the side of the wagon in the further away
shot that immediately preceded the close up.

She had a grey streak in her hair.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben [averyb@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 3:07
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Nova

I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.

I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .

Ben

And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?

Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas? Ie were
there any monkeys?

If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
chain?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Nova

I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella Warren
(which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon. Wahlberg
asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as the
wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer and
the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who taught
them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup of
an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
Subject: [pota] Nova


> I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
>
> I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
> like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes I agree (Rory, would that make you happy?).

Did anyone else notice how the apes in the final scene were walking
perfectly upright and were not making "Ooo-Ooo" noises? I think they were
far more advanced than those Leo left behind.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 5:48
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Boulle'seye!



Looks like the sequel will be more like Monkey Planet.

I paid $18.49 plus about $2.50 shipping at Digital Eyes because no one had
it locally.

http://www.digitaleyesdvd.com/Details.cfm?info=ID8763FSDVD

> << Bryan paid 24.99 for it >>
>
> Matt paid 19.99 for it (at Best Buy).

In a hurry ( again, it would seem) Fox need to get the release out before the all
important holiday gift giving season. Hope they don't skimp on the extras.
Also, I don't recall who mentioned it previously, but I was just reading an
interview w/ William Broyles in Creative(don't get me stated)Screenwriting
magazine and he said that it was intentional that THADE was an acronym for DEATH.

If you're interested in reading about Broyles' ideas and inspirations for the
screenplay, check it out at www.creativescreenwriting.com

Best,
KEN

locutusatwolf359@... wrote:

> Where did you guys hear POTA will be on video in November? That is way too
> soon! That's only about 4 months while Hannibal comes out on DVD August 21st
> and was in theaters in February making it about 6 months from theater to
> DVD/VHS.
>
> Loc
>
> In a message dated 8/10/01 7:41:48 PM Central Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
> writes:
>
> << Is Tim Burtons Apes going to DVD in nov? That seems too soon! I was
> thinking
> January Bryan
> >>
>
>
>
>
>

I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.

> And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
>
> Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas? Ie

were

> there any monkeys?
>
> If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> chain?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
>
> I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella Warren
> (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon. Wahlberg
> asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
> spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as the
> wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer and
> the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who taught
> them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup of
> an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
>
>
> - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> Subject: [pota] Nova
>
>
> > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
> >
> > I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> > people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
> > like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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>

Haristas@... wrote:
"This is like a nightmare! Have I awoken on the planet of the morons?
This
guy works for a major publishing company and he talks like Keanu
Reeves!"

No way?.....Way.
Maybe Leo could use a telephone booth to get back for the sequel. That
would be most excellent.

They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ant gorillas on the
ship?).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 21:53
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Nova

I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.

> And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
>
> Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas? Ie

were

> there any monkeys?
>
> If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> chain?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
>
> I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella Warren
> (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon. Wahlberg
> asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
> spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as the
> wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer and
> the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who taught
> them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup of
> an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
>
>
> - - - - Jeff K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> Subject: [pota] Nova
>
>
> > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
> >
> > I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> > people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
> > like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 13:04
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD

In a message dated 8/10/01 8:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 What all does Roddy talk about? It's a 2 hour interview and cutting out
"Beneath" and "Battle" cuts out a lot. Is it all POTA?

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.

Hey, when are you going to buy it, Mr. K?   Roddy talks about 'alot' of
stuff, including his remembrances of Arthur P. Jacobs and Franklin J.
Schaffner.  The people interviewing him sure could have been more
knowledgeable and organized, but McDowall's comments are so good you forget
all that.  Listening to him for nearly two hours was almost like having an
intimate conversation with him, and really made me forget how lousy I've been
feeling over the shortcomings of the new movie.  Oh, and wait till you hear
what he says about the idea of doing a remake of POTA!  How right he was.  
Get out this weekend and get it!

-- Rory

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Ant gorillas? Sorry, I don't get the joke.

> They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ant gorillas on the
> ship?).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 21:53
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
>
> I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.
>
>
> > And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
> >
> > Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas? Ie
> were
> > there any monkeys?
> >
> > If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> > chain?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> >
> > I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella

Warren

> > (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon.

Wahlberg

> > asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
> > spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as

the

> > wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer

and

> > the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who

taught

> > them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup

of

> > an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
> >
> >
> > - - - - Jeff K.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Nova
> >
> >
> > > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
> > >
> > > I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> > > people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
> > > like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Should read:

They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ANY gorillas on the
ship?).

There were no gorillas in the cages. Nor were there any horses. So I guess
there were parts of the ship we missed seeing.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 23:43
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Horse Crap (and Monkey Poo)

Ant gorillas? Sorry, I don't get the joke.

> They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ant gorillas on the
> ship?).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 21:53
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
>
> I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.
>
>
> > And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
> >
> > Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas? Ie
> were
> > there any monkeys?
> >
> > If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> > chain?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> >
> > I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella

Warren

> > (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon.

Wahlberg

> > asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
> > spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as

the

> > wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer

and

> > the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who

taught

> > them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup

of

> > an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
> >
> >
> > - - - - Jeff K.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Nova
> >
> >
> > > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
> > >
> > > I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> > > people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure looked
> > > like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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>

Well, I was willing to suspend my disbelief to the point of thinking there
were gorillas, tying in to the research and all, and they were there we just
didn't see them.

I can't imagine why they'd have horses on board however, nor do I believe it
crossed the writers' minds.

I brought the horse thing up to a couple of friends who saw the film too and
they just started laughing.

> Should read:
>
> They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ANY gorillas on the
> ship?).
>
> There were no gorillas in the cages. Nor were there any horses. So I

guess

> there were parts of the ship we missed seeing.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 23:43
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Horse Crap (and Monkey Poo)
>
> Ant gorillas? Sorry, I don't get the joke.
>
>
> > They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ant gorillas on

the

> > ship?).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 21:53
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> >
> > I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.
> >
> >
> > > And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
> > >
> > > Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas? Ie
> > were
> > > there any monkeys?
> > >
> > > If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> > > chain?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> > >
> > > I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella
> Warren
> > > (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon.
> Wahlberg
> > > asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier

to

> > > spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as
> the
> > > wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer
> and
> > > the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who
> taught
> > > them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a

closeup

> of
> > > an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > - - - - Jeff K.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> > > Subject: [pota] Nova
> > >
> > >
> > > > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
> > > >
> > > > I did not see Nova in the cage wagon. I thought she was one of the
> > > > people that got branded, though. Was she or wasn't she? Sure

looked

> > > > like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
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I found a photo still gallery with an extra right
click at the bottom of the bonus materials menu.

Any others ?

Kurt

I have a feeling Leo will spend the first part of the movie in his new
location, then he will return to Ari and friends. Sounds like everybody is
tied to the sequel if Burton returns, so it will probably take place on the
planet. We know how "Ape" movies like to reuse costumes and so forth. The
movie isn't a big enough hit where they would give Burton a blank check.


- - - Jeff K.

P.S.: But I hope he stays on Earth.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Danny Elfman sountrack


>
> << Anyway, I think Elfman could have done a better job with the score if
he'd
> had more time, but then that's true of the film overall. >>
>
> In addition to the next film being more like Monkey Planet with apes in
> helicopter and such, it should be a lot easier and cheaper to make. They
> aren't going to have to haul hundreds of people and their lunch out to the
> middle of nowhere. It can all be shot in on sound stages and on location
in
> LA and DC. More money for "Dick" Zanuck. I sure hope they spends a lot
of
> it on good writers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD

In a message dated 8/10/01 8:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 What all does Roddy talk about? It's a 2 hour interview and cutting out
"Beneath" and "Battle" cuts out a lot. Is it all POTA?

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff K.

Hey, when are you going to buy it, Mr. K?   Roddy talks about 'alot' of
stuff, including his remembrances of Arthur P. Jacobs and Franklin J.
Schaffner.  The people interviewing him sure could have been more
knowledgeable and organized, but McDowall's comments are so good you forget
all that.  Listening to him for nearly two hours was almost like having an
intimate conversation with him, and really made me forget how lousy I've been
feeling over the shortcomings of the new movie.  Oh, and wait till you hear
what he says about the idea of doing a remake of POTA!  How right he was.  
Get out this weekend and get it!

-- Rory

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

<.html

.html maybe they were native?? lol but they said it was an inhabited planet

From: "Shelby Rhodes" <slave1@...>
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:50:25 -0400
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [pota] Horse Crap (and Monkey Poo)

Well, I was willing to suspend my disbelief to the point of thinking there
were gorillas, tying in to the research and all, and they were there we just
didn't see them.

I can't imagine why they'd have horses on board however, nor do I believe it
crossed the writers' minds.

I brought the horse thing up to a couple of friends who saw the film too and
they just started laughing.


> Should read:
>
> They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ANY gorillas on the
> ship?).
>
> There were no gorillas in the cages.  Nor were there any horses.  So I
guess
> there were parts of the ship we missed seeing.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 23:43
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Horse Crap (and Monkey Poo)
>
> Ant gorillas?  Sorry, I don't get the joke.
>
>
> > They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ant gorillas on
the
> > ship?).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shelby Rhodes [slave1@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 21:53
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> >
> > I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.
> >
> >
> > > And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
> > >
> > > Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas?  Ie
> > were
> > > there any monkeys?
> > >
> > > If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> > > chain?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> > >
> > >  I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella
> Warren
> > > (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon.
> Wahlberg
> > > asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier
to
> > > spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as
> the
> > > wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer
> and
> > > the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who
> taught
> > > them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a
closeup
> of
> > > an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >   - - - - Jeff K.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> > > Subject: [pota] Nova
> > >
> > >
> > > > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
> > > >
> > > > I did not see Nova in the cage wagon.  I thought she was one of the
> > > > people that got branded, though.  Was she or wasn't she?  Sure
looked
> > > > like her to me, but I've been wrong before . . .
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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.html There were Gorillas on the ship, that we never saw.  Howard Berger, of KNB Effects Group, actually wore one of the mountain gorilla suits and was filmed (and credited on screen right above Rick Baker's acting credit).  So they were there, just got cut out like most of the scenes that maybe could have explained the dang film.

B

Michael Whitty wrote:

Should read:

They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ANY gorillas on the
ship?).

There were no gorillas in the cages.  Nor were there any horses.  So I guess
there were parts of the ship we missed seeing.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From:   Shelby Rhodes [mailto:slave1@...]
Sent:   Saturday, 11 August 2001 23:43
To:     pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:        Re: [pota] Horse Crap (and Monkey Poo)

Ant gorillas?  Sorry, I don't get the joke.

> They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ant gorillas on the
> ship?).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shelby Rhodes [mailto:slave1@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 21:53
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
>
> I still just want to know where the damn horses came from.
>
>
> > And what was that Rick Baker was smoking by the way?
> >
> > Did anyone notice any apes other than Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas?  Ie
> were
> > there any monkeys?
> >
> > If not, how could they refer to monkeys as lower down the evolutionary
> > chain?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack Krueger [mailto:williejoe@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 4:19
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Nova
> >
> >  I didn't see her get branded. The only one I remember was Estella
Warren
> > (which I thought was a pretty good scene). Linda's in the wagon.
Wahlberg
> > asks where they are, she shakes her head and moves away. She's easier to
> > spot in the trailer. Also there's a good shot of Rick Baker smoking as
the
> > wagon goes by. And the very first ape face we see, in both the trailer
and
> > the movie (the one going "Rrrrar!", full face) is Terry Notary, who
taught
> > them how to move like apes. Doesn't make sense for them to do a closeup
of
> > an ape movement expert but he's probably used elsewhere as well.
> >
> >
> >   - - - - Jeff K.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben" <averyb@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:06 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Nova
> >
> >
> > > I said this earlier, but never got a confirmation from anyone.
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/11/01 2:16:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< I went to not only the spot where they had the spaceship, but also to
where
the astronauts did some of there 'trekking' including where they slid down
the hill, ran from the rolling boulder, and had their 'water check.'   
Someday we should really have a POTA convention in Page, Arizona. >>

How do you know which spot is which? Are they clearly marked?

Matt

That would be rather hard to explain.  There's an area just west of the lake
where most of the 'trek' footage was shot.  It's much smaller than it looks
on film.  I stood on spots where the camera was (and I know that only because
I've seen the film so many times and can recognize the terrain) and I can
tell you that the Panavision lens reaaly makes things look vast.

You know the spot in the film where the astronauts have their 'water check'?  
 Well, when I was there in '87 there was a dirt road that ran right in front
of those boulders and you needed a four-wheel drive truck to get to it.  When
I visited again in '91 it was paved.  The whole area is getting very
'settled.'   There's a golf course now near the area of the gorge where
Taylor listens to Cornelius tell about the Forbidden Zone.

There's something else that's cool at Lake Powell.  Of course the lake was
made because of the Glen Canyon Dam (which unfortunately flooded for hundreds
of years what was a very beautiful canyon), well you can go on a tour of the
dam, and when you take the elevator down into the dam, the doors open unto a
tiled hall right out of BENEATH!   It's really cool.   It's a trip worth
making sometime in your life.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Take 2!

In a message dated 8/10/01 8:27:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 It's obvious they meant for the character to be the way he is but if he's
so selfish why does he risk his life and his career to save his chimp?
Obviously he's shown to care for chimps more than people, thus the good
relationship with Ari. Yet he's shown to have a lot of human friends (the
party transmission). But he's definitely underwritten. Probably Burton would
say, as it was remarked about the ending, that it's up to the audience to
fill in the blanks.

                                                                           
    - - - Jeff K.

Jeffery, Jeffery, Jeffery. . . are you nuts?  Come on.  The answer to all
these questions about the new film simply comes down to:  IT'S A LOUSY
SCRIPT!!!!

I've taken dumps with more substance than the script to Burton's POTA!

-- Rory

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.html Dude!  He mentions you by name, and they flash your face and  address across the screen like an America's Most Wanted ad!

Time to move!!!

B

Jack Krueger wrote:

   Does he talk about meeting me at John Chambers' birthday? He doesn't mention the coffee incident, does he? Oh, please no!                                                                           - - - - Jeff K.   

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD

 In a message dated 8/10/01 8:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:
 
 

 What all does Roddy talk about? It's a 2 hour interview and cutting out
"Beneath" and "Battle" cuts out a lot. Is it all POTA?
 

- - - - Jeff K.
 
 

Hey, when are you going to buy it, Mr. K?   Roddy talks about 'alot' of
stuff, including his remembrances of Arthur P. Jacobs and Franklin J.
Schaffner.  The people interviewing him sure could have been more
knowledgeable and organized, but McDowall's comments are so good you forget
all that.  Listening to him for nearly two hours was almost like having an
intimate conversation with him, and really made me forget how lousy I've been
feeling over the shortcomings of the new movie.  Oh, and wait till you hear
what he says about the idea of doing a remake of POTA!  How right he was.
Get out this weekend and get it!

-- Rory

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] The future of POTA

In a message dated 8/10/01 8:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Movieheadlines.net says POTA will be shown digitally in 9 North American
theatres starting today and one London theatre Aug. 17.

The site also says Fox wants POTA to pass the $200 million in North
America before they will commit to a sequel.

                                                                           
    - - - - Jeff K.

I went and read this, Mr. K.   I believe the part about it having to pass
$200 mill (which I think it may struggle to do), but the rest of it says that
if it does, Fox will then greenlight a remake of "Beneath the Planet of the
Apes"?!!!!!

That sounds crazy!

Did you read the other thing about the Boulle novel, and how an associate
publisher at Ballantine, some dude named Kuo-Yu Liang, says, "It's a really
cool book.  The films are sort of campy, and I didn't realize the book was
going to be so serious."

This is like a nightmare!  Have I awoken on the planet of the morons?  This
guy works for a major publishing company and he talks like Keanu Reeves!  
Scary!

This culture of ours is devolving, folks.  Make no mistake about it.  "Stop
the Planet of the Apes, I want to get off"  INDEED!!

-- Rory
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that was a VIRUS???  eek!  what kind of virus??  what's weird is i have my outlook set to partially receive messages over 40K and when i saw that message i deleted it before receiving the rest of it cause i had a feeling it was something no good... although i have a mac and most viruses don't work on it :)  btw i saw pota again last night i noticed a lot more things!  at the beginning i noticed that when the captain of the oberaun (name of the big ship right?) was looking at the screen after cptn. leo went after his chimp there was a staticy transmission on his screen that was saying "mayday mayday!" ... it didn't look like captain leo though who was it???  was it the captain himself saying mayday mayday in the future because the storm was transmitting things back from all time???  hmmm.

From: locutusatwolf359@...
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:06:32 EDT
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Dr

Once again we get sent this virus!!!! The hackers must love us!!!

Loc


In a message dated 8/10/01 11:05:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
kgrandjean@... writes:

<< Hi! How are you?

I send you this file in order to have your advice

See you later. Thanks
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/11/01 9:34:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

So Rory

Are there any DELETED scenes?

Michael


Unfortunately there are no deleted scenes, however there are shots you never
saw in PLANET, including a great crane shot that was cut from the hunt, and
in one of the featurettes there's Heston saying some lines while he's in the
cage with Nova (just before getting 'hosed') that were cut from the final
edit.   Lots of cool stuff like that.  In the outakes and dallies you'll also
be able to see on what dates in 1967 certain scenes were shot.

Maybe in a couple of years Fox will give us a Five Star DVD of PLANET that
will include more (then again maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt!).

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/11/01 9:42:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Should read:

They were on the floor below the Gorillas (did you see ANY gorillas on the
ship?).

There were no gorillas in the cages.  Nor were there any horses.  So I guess
there were parts of the ship we missed seeing.

Michael

Okay, the ship contained all sorts of DNA samples of various species and
after it crashed on the planet they started breeding these things.   Why?  I
don't know.   Oh, and actually the horses could talk, too, only they had
nothing to say (of course, of course).

-- Rory<.html