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"A Date with Judy" is in book #1. The books follow the continuity of the
series and are also helpful in figuring out the order of the show ("POTA
Revisited" got the order wrong; Eric Greene's book got the order right
'cause I told him what it is).

"POTA Revisited" makes up for it though in it's interview with creator Doug
Wildey, who talks about 3 episodes he planned to wrap up the cartoon that
were never filmed::

" In episode 13 the humans finally get to the point where they can actually
attack something as an organised force. Show 14 would have them organizing
to hit the apes where it hurts, which is the munitions dumps and airplane
fuel tanks. Show # 15 was where there would be a big fight - how the hell I
would have done it I don't know because you can't hurt anybody - and the
final episode is where they blow up the ammunition dumps, the gas, and the
whole thing. I basically brought it to the point where there was an uneasy
truce between apes and humans where they set up in the forbidden zone; this
kind of truce thing where the two leaders meet and we wrap up the show .
Maybe, just maybe, they could've learned from each other".

Personally, I prefer how the series actually ended, with Bill and Cornelius
going to the Ice Apes to pick up the book that will prove humans were once
in charge. It leaves the ending to the imagination.


- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA CARTOON SERIES


>
> Hi, my name is Tom and I've been lurking on this POTA group.
>
> Where did you get your info about "A Date With Judy"? Do
> you have the Return to the POTA #4 book? I had thought it
> was a script that never got made. I thought "The Unearthly
> Prophecy" was in the Return to the POTA #1 book?
>
> Thanks-
> -Tom
>
>
> >
> > "A Date With Judy" was never an episode or a script. It
> was a new name in=
> > the novelization for the episode "The Unearthly
> Prophecy". In Joe Russo's =
> > book there's an interview with "Apes" Animated creator
> Doug Wildey who says=
> > he wrote 3 stories for later episodes that were never
> filmed. But there's =
> > no unused episodes.
> >
> >
> - - - - Je=
> > ff
>
>
>
>

Well Mez, at least you didn't have to lie.

- - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:35 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: T.V. SERIES DVD BOX


> Oh dear. And I called FOX 'avaricious' in a letter to them today.
>
> Thanks for this, Alex. :) /Mez
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@h...> wrote:
> > Screw the rumors, this puppy is coming out in November.
> >
> > Enjoy the DVD box pic.
> >
> > Best
> > Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:03 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 | Biggest Letdown -- 8/2

Click here: Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 | Biggest Letdown --
8/20/01

Oh dear. . . don't read this, Alex.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/22/01 7:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Please Rory...give it up.

It don't get any better than this!

www.calima5021.com/latest-news.htm

Enjoy!
Alex



Hey, I'm happy for everyone that the movie is making it's money back and
more, but have read read most of the reviews, Alex?  Do you even care?

As for me, I thought the film was terrible, and I feared it was going to
bomb.  But, people like APES so it's done well.  That doesn't make the film
any better in my eyes.  The movie could be doing "Titanic" numbers and I'd
still think it sinks.

I am really happy that you're happy, Alex.  I wish I was happy, too, but that
movie would have had to have been a lot better.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/22/01 7:32:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Oh dear. And I called FOX 'avaricious' in a letter to them today.
>
> Thanks for this, Alex. :) /Mez

It doesn't matter what you say to Fox, Mez.  They don't listen.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/22/01 7:54:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

No movie that brings us the makeup test and the Tv show on DVD can be all
bad. Don't forget where your Ron Harper is buttered, Rory!                  
                                   - - - - Jeff

No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad.  Let's have a roll call here.  
Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and who
says terrible?

And don't let books and DVDs and $160 plus millions sway you.  In the long
run that won't mean a thing.

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 | Biggest Let...

In a message dated 8/22/01 7:54:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

No movie that brings us the makeup test and the Tv show on DVD can be all
bad. Don't forget where your Ron Harper is buttered, Rory!                  
                                   - - - - Jeff

No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad.  Let's have a roll call here.  
Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and who
says terrible?

And don't let books and DVDs and $160 plus millions sway you.  In the long
run that won't mean a thing.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Good copies of what? the apes? i have them?
he he

.htmlIn a message dated 8/22/01 9:06:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Of the 4 you mentioned I'd say "OK". But how about this: what was the
audience reaction where you saw it. My audience wasn't vocal negatively but
they weren't exactly cheering either. I'd say the best reactions were for
Limbo and when Pericles lands and Attar thinks it's Semos.

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff



When I saw it, two couples walked out about halfway through, a man probably
in his fifties a few seats down from me moaned at several lines then toward
the end got up and left in disgust.  The entire audience laughed when
Pericles landed and laughed again when Attar said, "Semos."  But mostly I
think it bored just about everyone.  I was miserable.  I couldn't believe how
bad it was.  Ari was ALL WRONG.  The make-up wasn't right and either was the
character.  I also couldn't believe how bad the dialogue was.  I was with the
movie, thinking it wasn't too bad, right up until the end of the hunt, then
the film went right into the dumper.  It was like it was a joke.  It was too
inept to even be considered a real movie.  Perhaps my disappointment has
warped my perception of, and I do want to see it again to see if it's really
as bad as I thought, but that'll have to wait until I have it on DVD.   
Perhaps seeing it reduced to just a five-inch disc will put it in its proper
perspective, and also maybe the surround sound and some of the extras will be
nice.  Also the picture hopefully will be brighter.  In the theatre some of
those apes' faces were nothing but black.

-- Rory <.html

.htmlThanks Rory,I will pick it up for sure .What year was Hell House released?
Bryan<.html

.htmlI called her and acted like i stumbled on this web site www.dvdfile.com and
told her to bring it up,and sure as hell there it was fox anounces Nov
20th.She could not believe that she did not get word before we got it.She
said I will have to research this.i told her is this true?or not?She said i
will get back to you,then hung up.Shes really good at her job isnt she.Bryan<.html

> But don't forget, Kubricks are coming in December, so don't pay import pri=
> ces for those.

Does this mean that the same 8 Japanese POTA Kubrick sets will start selling
in the USA? I thought these weren't even available in Japan anymore?

I already have the sets and they are very cool. Some nice things about
the Kubricks are that (1) they include 4 characters not included in
the 6" Medicoms: Mendez, mutant soldier, Julius (a civilian gorilla suit!),
and Brent. (2) you can swap heads and make new characters such as
Astronaut Brent. (3) the accessories are nice, such as the horses
and cages. (4) the Kubrick SWAT sets make nice stand-ins for riot
police to go with the slave apes from Conquest. In fact their shields
are identical to the POTA set. I also have the Star Wars bootlegs.

Who the hell was that?

What the.......

hehe

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: kidro85@... [kidro85@...]
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2001 12:40
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Good news about the ape tv series

Good copies of what? the apes? i have them?
he he

.html In a message dated 8/22/01 7:54:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

No movie that brings us the makeup test and the Tv show on DVD can be all
bad. Don't forget where your Ron Harper is buttered, Rory!                  
                                   - - - - Jeff

No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad.  Let's have a roll call here.  
Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and who
says terrible?

And don't let books and DVDs and $160 plus millions sway you.  In the long
run that won't mean a thing.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/01 1:01:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

Thanks Rory,I will pick it up for sure .What year was Hell House released?
Bryan

Late 1973     Roddy made it right after doing "Battle," I believe.

-- Rory<.html

The U.S. import Kubricks will be limited to 4 sets: the Statue of Liberty,
the gorillas with wagon, Zauis, Zira, Cornelius with Lawgiver and the set of
gorillas. They will be $14.95 each. But if you get them from dealers they
will probably be marked up so you'll probably end up paying close to the
others anyway.

- -
- - Jeff

P.S.: Good idea with the SWAT, those are cheapies. Also if you put Zira's
head on "Conquest" Caesar it becomes Lisa.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:26 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA Kubricks


>
> > But don't forget, Kubricks are coming in December, so don't pay import
pri=
> > ces for those.
>
> Does this mean that the same 8 Japanese POTA Kubrick sets will start
selling
> in the USA? I thought these weren't even available in Japan anymore?
>
> I already have the sets and they are very cool. Some nice things about
> the Kubricks are that (1) they include 4 characters not included in
> the 6" Medicoms: Mendez, mutant soldier, Julius (a civilian gorilla
suit!),
> and Brent. (2) you can swap heads and make new characters such as
> Astronaut Brent. (3) the accessories are nice, such as the horses
> and cages. (4) the Kubrick SWAT sets make nice stand-ins for riot
> police to go with the slave apes from Conquest. In fact their shields
> are identical to the POTA set. I also have the Star Wars bootlegs.
>
>
>
>

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:34 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 | Biggest Let...

In a message dated 8/22/01 9:06:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Of the 4 you mentioned I'd say "OK". But how about this: what was the
audience reaction where you saw it. My audience wasn't vocal negatively but
they weren't exactly cheering either. I'd say the best reactions were for
Limbo and when Pericles lands and Attar thinks it's Semos.

                                                                          
- - - - Jeff

When I saw it, two couples walked out about halfway through, a man probably
in his fifties a few seats down from me moaned at several lines then toward
the end got up and left in disgust.  The entire audience laughed when
Pericles landed and laughed again when Attar said, "Semos."  But mostly I
think it bored just about everyone.  I was miserable.  I couldn't believe how
bad it was.  Ari was ALL WRONG.  The make-up wasn't right and either was the
character.  I also couldn't believe how bad the dialogue was.  I was with the
movie, thinking it wasn't too bad, right up until the end of the hunt, then
the film went right into the dumper.  It was like it was a joke.  It was too
inept to even be considered a real movie.  Perhaps my disappointment has
warped my perception of, and I do want to see it again to see if it's really
as bad as I thought, but that'll have to wait until I have it on DVD.   
Perhaps seeing it reduced to just a five-inch disc will put it in its proper
perspective, and also maybe the surround sound and some of the extras will be
nice.  Also the picture hopefully will be brighter.  In the theatre some of
those apes' faces were nothing but black.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

To my knowledge there is no return book 4. I have return book 1 and just
started reading it. "A date with Judy" is the third story in the book and the
"Unearthly Prophecy" is not in it at all so I assume that is the "date with
Judy" story.

Loc


In a message dated 8/22/01 3:18:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
melkor@... writes:

<<
Hi, my name is Tom and I've been lurking on this POTA group.

Where did you get your info about "A Date With Judy"? Do
you have the Return to the POTA #4 book? I had thought it
was a script that never got made. I thought "The Unearthly
Prophecy" was in the Return to the POTA #1 book?

Thanks-
-Tom

>
> "A Date With Judy" was never an episode or a script. It

was a new name in=

> the novelization for the episode "The Unearthly

Prophecy". In Joe Russo's =

> book there's an interview with "Apes" Animated creator

Doug Wildey who says=

> he wrote 3 stories for later episodes that were never

filmed. But there's =

> no unused episodes.
>
>

- - - - Je=

> ff
>>

.html <.html

.html <.html

.html <.html

LOL! When I called Tanisha yesterday she said someone had called in and told
her about www.dvdfile.com and she said she was going to look into it. I was
wondering which one of you it was! LOL!

Loc


In a message dated 8/23/01 12:16:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
Kay53531@... writes:

<< I called her and acted like i stumbled on this web site www.dvdfile.com
and
told her to bring it up,and sure as hell there it was fox anounces Nov
20th.She could not believe that she did not get word before we got it.She
said I will have to research this.i told her is this true?or not?She said i
will get back to you,then hung up.Shes really good at her job isnt she.Bryan

>>

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.htmlAnyone here read French?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/01 10:22:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Read it and weep Rory. :o)

http://www.showbizdata.com/contacts/dailybox.htm

$400 Million WorldWide by the time it's all said and done.

Best,
Al



Why would I weep?   I have no problem with how much money it's making.  Geez!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/01 10:35:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

Oh dear. . . don't read this, Alex.

-- Rory

OH DEAR!
If that's what they're saying about POTA 2001, I can imagine what they
would say about the original that made a lot less at the box office!
OH DEAR!

Which only goes to show how foolish it really is.
OH DEAR!

Best,
Al :o)



Alex, the original PLANET OF THE APES, without question, RULES THE PLANET!!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/01 10:36:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

LOL! When I called Tanisha yesterday she said someone had called in and told
her about www.dvdfile.com and she said she was going to look into it. I was
wondering which one of you it was! LOL!

Loc

Alright now, enough picking on this Tanisha person.  It's not her fault if
FOX hasn't given her the inside poop.  Why don't you ask her for the number
of the head of FOX production so we can all call him up and "Go Thade" over
the phone with him?

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Hoknes

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA CARTOON SERIES

there is no Return #4 book

but there is a tv series #4 book lord of the apes

date with judy was considered to be the unused script however someone pointed it out that the script was sort of used but in a different title etc.

 

 

To my knowledge there is no return book 4. I have return book 1 and just

started reading it. "A date with Judy" is the third story in the book and the

"Unearthly Prophecy" is not in it at all so I assume that is the "date with

Judy" story.

Loc

In a message dated 8/22/01 3:18:27 PM Central Daylight Time,

melkor@... writes:

<<

Hi, my name is Tom and I've been lurking on this POTA group.

Where did you get your info about "A Date With Judy"? Do

you have the Return to the POTA #4 book? I had thought it

was a script that never got made. I thought "The Unearthly

Prophecy" was in the Return to the POTA #1 book?

Thanks-

-Tom

>

> "A Date With Judy" was never an episode or a script. It

was a new name in=

> the novelization for the episode "The Unearthly

Prophecy". In Joe Russo's =

> book there's an interview with "Apes" Animated creator

Doug Wildey who says=

> he wrote 3 stories for later episodes that were never

filmed. But there's =

> no unused episodes.

>

>

- - - - Je=

> ff

>>

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:26 AM

Subject: [pota] Fwd: LA PLANETE DES SINGES

Anyone here read French?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlHas anyone bought the new re-issue of PLANET on DVD yet?  I ask becuse when I
bought mine when they original came out, the booklet that came with PLANET
had the chapter listing for BENEATH on it!  I have two copies of PLANET and
both have this misprint.  I'll buy the DVD again if this has been corrected.  
I just need to make sure it has.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIt was me Bryan.<.html

.html I would translate, but it seems no-one wants to know what it really says.

M

From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:26:50 EDT
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Fwd: LA PLANETE DES SINGES

Anyone here read French?



From: 20th Century Fox <FOX-FRANCE@...>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:12:03 +0200
To: "Visiteur Foxfrance" <FOX-FRANCE@...>
Subject: LA PLANETE DES SINGES




Dompter la planète...

LA PLANETE DES SINGES de Tim Burton est sorti mercredi en France !

Démarrage spectaculaire: LA PLANETE DES SINGES signe la meilleure journée d'ouverture
des films américains sortis cette année avec un cumul total de 358 671 entrées
!

L'occasion pour www.foxfrance.com de vous offrir des images inédites de l'avant-première
officielle, le 20 août dernier à Paris, en présence de Tim Burton et de l'équipe
du film !

Pour voir les images cliquez ici www.foxfrance.com/planete_singes/projection.htm

Retrouvez LA PLANETE DES SINGES sur le site officiel www.planetedessinges.com

A bientôt dans les salles et dès maintenant sur www.foxfrance.com

Si vous ne souhaitez plus recevoir la Newsletter Fox, vous pouvez vous désabonner
à tout moment sur: http://foxfrance.com/desabonner.htm

<.html

.html <.html

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> Has anyone bought the new re-issue of PLANET on DVD yet? I ask

becuse when I

> bought mine when they original came out, the booklet that came with

PLANET

> had the chapter listing for BENEATH on it! I have two copies of

PLANET and

> both have this misprint. I'll buy the DVD again if this has been

corrected.

> I just need to make sure it has.
>
> -- Rory

I haven't boughten it... yet. I guess I'll just have to wait while
this little mess-up is fixed-up, eh?

...I did rent it for DVD though, just to check it out. I have all
the VHSs, and when the movies are released seperatly (meaning not in
the collection) I'll get them then. Hopefully, the book will be
fixed by then.

-Joe

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.html I would translate, but it seems no-one wants to know what it really says.

M

From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:26:50 EDT
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Fwd: LA PLANETE DES SINGES

Anyone here read French?


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
From: 20th Century Fox <FOX-FRANCE@...>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:12:03 +0200
To: "Visiteur Foxfrance" <FOX-FRANCE@...>
Subject: LA PLANETE DES SINGES




Dompter la planète...

LA PLANETE DES SINGES de Tim Burton est sorti mercredi en France !

Démarrage spectaculaire: LA PLANETE DES SINGES signe la meilleure journée d'ouverture
des films américains sortis cette année avec un cumul total de 358 671 entrées
!

L'occasion pour www.foxfrance.com de vous offrir des images inédites de l'avant-première
officielle, le 20 août dernier à Paris, en présence de Tim Burton et de l'équipe
du film !

Pour voir les images cliquez ici www.foxfrance.com/planete_singes/projection.htm

Retrouvez LA PLANETE DES SINGES sur le site officiel www.planetedessinges.com

A bientôt dans les salles et dès maintenant sur www.foxfrance.com

Si vous ne souhaitez plus recevoir la Newsletter Fox, vous pouvez vous désabonner
à tout moment sur: http://foxfrance.com/desabonner.htm

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Hi from Australia Joe.

Have you seen the TV Series or the Cartoon?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 7:04
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Latest PLANET DVD

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Has anyone bought the new re-issue of PLANET on DVD yet? I ask
becuse when I
> bought mine when they original came out, the booklet that came with
PLANET
> had the chapter listing for BENEATH on it! I have two copies of
PLANET and
> both have this misprint. I'll buy the DVD again if this has been
corrected.
> I just need to make sure it has.
>
> -- Rory

I haven't boughten it... yet. I guess I'll just have to wait while
this little mess-up is fixed-up, eh?

...I did rent it for DVD though, just to check it out. I have all
the VHSs, and when the movies are released seperatly (meaning not in
the collection) I'll get them then. Hopefully, the book will be
fixed by then.

-Joe

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Some people actually have pretty good copies of these right Mez and
> Bryan (and Ken)?

Oy, you talkin' to me? The answer is yes. Not pretty good copies,
excellent copies. If the quality's better on DVD I may just expire.

Gosh I'd love to see Galen et al with today's makeup techniques!

Oh, and Michael, 4 heads are better than 2. MUCH better. I'm forever
in your debt for the videos. /Mez

.htmlClick here: DVD REVIEW-- PLANET OF THE APES

Thought I'd send this link just because some of you out there may want to get
the DVDs.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlClick here: DVD REVIEW-- ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES <.html

.htmlClick here: DVD REVIEW-- CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES <.html

.htmlClick here: DVD REVIEW-- BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES <.html

.htmlClick here: DVD REVIEW-- BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES <.html

> "A Date With Judy" in book #1 IS "The Unearthly Prophecy", my young frien=
>d. Have you forgotten your Scriptures? "And Proteus brought "The Unearthly =
>Prophecy" into the Garden and said it was "A Date With Judy" and the childr=
>en did make sport of him". =
> - - - - Jeff
>

Let's just call it "An Unearthly Date With Judy". :-)

-Tom

.htmlClick here: ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Well, I'll bet Alex is glad APES is kicking CAPTAIN CORELLI's ass, and JP 3's
too!

-- Rory <.html

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> Has anyone bought the new re-issue of PLANET on DVD yet? I ask

becuse when I

> bought mine when they original came out, the booklet that came with

PLANET

> had the chapter listing for BENEATH on it! I have two copies of

PLANET and

> both have this misprint. I'll buy the DVD again if this has been

corrected.

> I just need to make sure it has.
>
> -- Rory

You should keep those. You never know, they may be worth something
someday.

-Joe

.html <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/01 8:37:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

You should keep those.  You never know, they may be worth something
someday.

-Joe

You may be right.<.html

>No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad. Let's have a roll call here.
>Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and who
>says terrible?

I thought POTA 2001 was okay, but it depends on what you compare it
with. Compared with most other movies that came out this year it's
a great movie, and I've been starved for new POTA material since 1975.
But, it is not nearly as good as any of the previous Apes movies or
TV episodes. At best it ranks up there with a cartoon episode. Although
in some minor ways (e.g. ape costumes) it's the best Apes movie,
it has hardly any of the anticonservative political satire which makes
the previous POTA material so fascinating.

While the movie was better than I was expecting, my expectations were low
because I don't like any of Tim Burton's other movies except Batman.
The main thing wrong with the movie is the quality of the writing. People
rightly expect any movie called "Planet of the Apes" to have much, much
better writing. If they do another picture I won't mind if they get a new
director and all new actors/characters, but the most important thing of
all is to get a better quality of writers.

[spoilers follow]

Negatives:
The astronaut character was underacted, the Thade character was overblown,
and the Ari character looked dumb. The ending would have been good if
they kept it just like the book but they went too far putting Thade on the
Lincoln memorial.

Positives:
Visually it was a good film, and my opinion may improve when I see it
again on video. Plotwise, the movie also has one thing that I've always
wanted to see in a POTA film which is have the humans fight back against
the apes.

Compare that with the TV series: In two of the 14 TV episodes Virdon
and Burke prevented an attack on the Ape regime. Once when a human leader
was stockpiling chemical weapons to use against the apes and another
where a female chimpanze was going to launch a coup by bombing the
High Council from air. In the short term Zaius and Urko were probably
better off having Virdon and Burke running around preaching nonviolence
and preventing civil wars and coups against them.

Terry, these DVDs aren't bootlegged, are they?
If they aren't you can save some for me.

Condit gave his interview to Cunnie Chunk, saying he'd already said everything he was going to say, and wasn't going to say any more. What a load of Hugger Mugger.

Isn't it strange that his name is Ward and that's what he played too? I never really thought about it before.

> I got the Batman movie from the 60's on dvd yesterday at Wal*Mart for only
> $15. I'm having it signed by West and Ward.
>
> Loc
>
> In a message dated 8/22/01 1:29:03 PM Central Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
> writes:
>
> << After that official photo of the new box set Tanisha should get word this
> week.Best Buy stores have the date in their system already as planet of the
> apes 2001.fox told me they announce three months in advance of the date it
> arrives,So that means this week right! I made color photo copys of the Box
> Set just to show everyone,SEE! I told you.mostly to show the negative
> retailers who said it will never happen.Oh by the way the 1966 Batman dvd
> sold out!in phx az everyone wanted it ,those extras on it must be somethin;
> anyone picked it up yet? Bryan
> >>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated Wed, 22 Aug 2001 7:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...> writes:

> "A Date with Judy" is in book #1. The books follow the continuity of the series and are also helpful in figuring out the order of the show.

Where ca we find these books, Jeff?

As for me, I thought the film was terrible, and I feared it was going to bomb. But, people like APES so it's done well. That doesn't make the film any better in my eyes. The movie could be doing "Titanic" numbers and I'd still think it sinks.

Hey, we all wish it was great, but I still think it will be all right, if the sequels get progressively better. Sort of the old series in reverse. Sure some moments were not good. But I still liked it better than Battle, and probably Conquest as well. I'll go again! And more, if it will help the Ape cause.

It took me about two months of checking and rechecking to finally get all 4
tv series and all 3 return cartoon books but I finally got them. Tv series
book 4 is really hard to find and I only found it by ordering return book 3
and they offered book 4 to me too. The best place to get the books is
www.abe.com which is the advanced book exchange. It's an online host to
bookstores around the world. You can find virtually any book ever published
here. That's where I got all of them except Return books 1 and 2 which I got
off ebay. Like I said though you have to check often to see if they have it
on abe or ebay. I just started reading return book 1 and it's really good. I
want to read the story then watch the cartoon that the story is about since I
have the cartoons but haven't watched them yet. Amazon.com's zshops also have
the books. Don't over pay though! If you find a book and it's over 20 dollars
I wouldn't get it and just wait it out like MLCCOUGAR told me to do and you
will eventually find it cheaper. Good luck!

Loc

In a message dated 8/23/01 11:27:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< n a message dated Wed, 22 Aug 2001 7:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...> writes:

> "A Date with Judy" is in book #1. The books follow the continuity of

the series and are also helpful in figuring out the order of the show.

Where ca we find these books, Jeff?

>>

>
>
> Oh dear. And I called FOX 'avaricious' in a letter to them today.

Good for you Mez!
What kind of idiots put a suprize ending on the cover of the box!?! Every time I see an ad I get pissed off all over again. Fox just released a new murder mystery too, called, The Butler Did It!

<<I did a search for POTA through the yahoogroups search directory and found at least 10 new group email lists focused on the new film but some were interested in the originals too! We should try and get in contact with them and keep one big happy family rather
than spreading so many people out so thin.>>

I have to agree, Terry. I was on a lame POTA news group with only a couple few dozen people on it before someone hipped me to this group. It may have been you! As far as I'm concerned this is The POTA Group.
I say bring 'em on board!

At first I didn't, I thought she was too cliched but H.B. Carter pulled it off. I have two Hasbro figures, Attar that I bought before the movie came out because he was the best one, and Ari, which I got after the movie. Just so I can hug her and tell her everything's going to be alright. Ari is also the only TV Guide cover I bought.

I agree with you about Ari, Jeff, but that Hasbro figure is just awful! I think I'll wait for the Medicom on that one. I put one in my cart at Walmart and as I going to do my shopping, I looked at it, and put it right back! What were they thinking? H B-C should sue!

Wow!
I may have to have DVD just to hear POTA in French!
That'll make it seem like Monkey Planet!

I wonder why they're all in stereo except for Escape?

You know the only other offerings Fox has in the top 20 are Dolittle 2 and Deep End. I just saw that one. Beautifully photographed, great acting, good writing. And even though it won Sundance and Caans, and Ebert gave it thumbs up . . . I wouldn't see it again if you paid me. I'll go see Apes again instead!

.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/01 11:56:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
melkor@... writes:

.  Although
in some minor ways (e.g. ape costumes) it's the best Apes movie,
it has hardly any of the anticonservative political satire which makes
the previous POTA material so fascinating.

I think that lack of political satire really hurts the new movie a lot.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 12:38:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Hey, we all wish it was great, but I still think it will be all right, if
the sequels get progressively better.  Sort of the old series in reverse.  
Sure some moments were not good.  But I still liked it better than Battle,
and probably Conquest as well.  I'll go again!  And more, if it will help
the Ape cause.

Yeah, that would be great if it is the old series in reverse.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 12:41:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> Oh dear. And I called FOX 'avaricious' in a letter to them today.  

Good for you Mez!
What kind of idiots put a suprize ending on the cover of the box!?!  Every
time I see an ad I get pissed off all over again.  Fox just released a new
murder mystery too, called, The Butler Did It!   

Yeah, I just saw the latest FOX ad for the original on Video and DVD in
Entertainment Weekly.  I thought the ad was very funny with Heston evolving
into Cornelius, but as I look at it and at the bottom there's the video
covers showing the Statue, well I just get pissed all over again.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 2:11:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Wow!
I may have to have DVD just to hear POTA in French!
That'll make it seem like Monkey Planet!

No one has told you about this before, T?   Yeah, the French sountrack for
PLANET is great.  It's in stereo and the woman who is dubbing Kim Hunter's
voice is wonderful.  I love hearing her say "Corne-li-ous."   I'm also told
that she calls Taylor "beautiful eyes" since "bright eyes" doesn't translate.
  And what until you hear Dr. Zaius in French.  Get the DVD and a player, T.  
You can probably get both pretty cheap at Walmart.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 2:18:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

I wonder why they're all in stereo except for Escape?

Fox probably thought it didn't need it -- and they were too cheap to do it.

-- Rory<.html

No. Someone forgot to.
sorry folks.

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] AI Spoilers
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:31:52 +1000
>
>Ummmmm....did someone say "SPOILERS"???
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: j vb [boiledkelp@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2001 22:02
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] 2001 SUCKS!!! Yep.
>
>Agree. I liked AI up until the time she leaves him in the woods, then it
>became Pinochio finds toy land type a-thingy. Except for the scenes where
>the AI's are being used for target practise, etc, that was kind of
>entertaining (but there were no suprises there either).
>The end was kinda neat (AI's are now the only beings on the planet and the
>ship they travel in is just damn cool.) up to a point. Then it felt like a
>Pinochio meets his frosty fairy godmother tale.
>The movie could have been very good, and instead it was more curious and
>odd
>and...groan!
>Oh well.
>
>VB
>
> >
> > And if you agree that POTA (2001) is a less than wonderful film, then
> >with
> > the failure of "A.I." and bunch of other SF films, then 2001 has
>really
> > turned out to be one lousy year for SF!!!
> >
> > Who could have imagined it?!!!!
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
>
>
>_____

_____

You'll have to scramble to find them. Try used book stores, conventions,
maybe even Mr. Hoknes. In my experience, book #1 is really hard to find for
the cartoon series, and #4 for the live action series. But that's probably
because long ago Rory bought them
all. - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA CARTOON SERIES


> In a message dated Wed, 22 Aug 2001 7:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...> writes:
>
> > "A Date with Judy" is in book #1. The books follow the continuity of
the series and are also helpful in figuring out the order of the show.
>
> Where ca we find these books, Jeff?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Well, when you're done let us know if you agree: is "A Date with Judy "
really "The Unearthly Prophecy"?

----- Original Message -----
From: <locutusatwolf359@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA CARTOON SERIES


> It took me about two months of checking and rechecking to finally get all
4
> tv series and all 3 return cartoon books but I finally got them. Tv series
> book 4 is really hard to find and I only found it by ordering return book
3
> and they offered book 4 to me too. The best place to get the books is
> www.abe.com which is the advanced book exchange. It's an online host to
> bookstores around the world. You can find virtually any book ever
published
> here. That's where I got all of them except Return books 1 and 2 which I
got
> off ebay. Like I said though you have to check often to see if they have
it
> on abe or ebay. I just started reading return book 1 and it's really good.
I
> want to read the story then watch the cartoon that the story is about
since I
> have the cartoons but haven't watched them yet. Amazon.com's zshops also
have
> the books. Don't over pay though! If you find a book and it's over 20
dollars
> I wouldn't get it and just wait it out like MLCCOUGAR told me to do and
you
> will eventually find it cheaper. Good luck!
>
> Loc
>
> In a message dated 8/23/01 11:27:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << n a message dated Wed, 22 Aug 2001 7:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...> writes:
>
> > "A Date with Judy" is in book #1. The books follow the continuity of
> the series and are also helpful in figuring out the order of the show.
>
> Where ca we find these books, Jeff?
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Aw, she's not that bad, just the hair. Besides, Ari's my favorite
character from the new movie but I wouldn't pay Medicom prices for her. I'm
waiting for the life-size inflatable Ari for the Tim Burton in all of us.


- - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 |
Biggest Let...


> At first I didn't, I thought she was too cliched but H.B. Carter pulled
it off. I have two Hasbro figures, Attar that I bought before the movie
came out because he was the best one, and Ari, which I got after the
movie. Just so I can hug her and tell her everything's going to be alright.
Ari is also the only TV Guide cover I bought.
>
> I agree with you about Ari, Jeff, but that Hasbro figure is just awful! I
think I'll wait for the Medicom on that one. I put one in my cart at
Walmart and as I going to do my shopping, I looked at it, and put it right
back! What were they thinking? H B-C should sue!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: T.V. SERIES DVD BOX

In a message dated 8/24/01 12:41:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> Oh dear. And I called FOX 'avaricious' in a letter to them today.  

Good for you Mez!
What kind of idiots put a suprize ending on the cover of the box!?!  Every
time I see an ad I get pissed off all over again.  Fox just released a new
murder mystery too, called, The Butler Did It!   

Yeah, I just saw the latest FOX ad for the original on Video and DVD in
Entertainment Weekly.  I thought the ad was very funny with Heston evolving
into Cornelius, but as I look at it and at the bottom there's the video
covers showing the Statue, well I just get pissed all over again.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:05 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Click here: ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Well, I'll bet Alex is glad APES is kicking CAPTAIN CORELLI's ass, and JP 3's
too!

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

No problemo my friend - we Aussies are in a bit of a Hasslein's curve here
where all the new movies are coming out weeks/months later. It sux.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: j vb [boiledkelp@...]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 22:11
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] AI Spoilers


No. Someone forgot to.
sorry folks.

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>
>Ummmmm....did someone say "SPOILERS"???
>
>Michael

.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 21:22
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Converting Pounds to Cents.

In a message dated 8/24/01 12:38:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Hey, we all wish it was great, but I still think it will be all right, if
the sequels get progressively better.  Sort of the old series in reverse.  
Sure some moments were not good.  But I still liked it better than Battle,
and probably Conquest as well.  I'll go again!  And more, if it will help
the Ape cause.

Yeah, that would be great if it is the old series in reverse.

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Where would you put the banana?

Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 22:43
I'm waiting for the life-size inflatable Ari for the Tim Burton in all of
us.


- - - - - Jeff

.html <.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:05 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Click here: ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Well, I'll bet Alex is glad APES is kicking CAPTAIN CORELLI's ass, and JP 3's
too!

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:14 AM

Subject: [pota] KISS APES

In the '70's, Mego made both "Apes" and "KISS" toys. In the '70's, Marvel published both "Apes" and "KISS" comics. In the '90's director Adam Rifkin was the first to try a new "Apes" movie but instead did the KISS-themed flick "Detroit Rock City". And now it's just been announced that Dark Horse comics is going to do some "KISS" comics, the same company that currently does..."Apes". This is too freaky.

 

 

I loved Kiss in the '70s, a real Kiss freak.

But now that Peter Criss left the band again it's all down hill once again.

 

Thank God I have my Apes!

 

Best,

Al

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

In a message dated 8/24/01 7:32:51 AM, Haristas@... writes:

<< No one has told you about this before, T? Yeah, the French sountrack for
PLANET is great. It's in stereo and the woman who is dubbing Kim Hunter's
voice is wonderful. I love hearing her say "Corne-li-ous." I'm also told
that she calls Taylor "beautiful eyes" since "bright eyes" doesn't translate.
And what until you hear Dr. Zaius in French. Get the DVD and a player, T.
You can probably get both pretty cheap at Walmart. >>

I haven't done this yet, but I did listen to the Ursus speech in French and
that was pretty cool. When were these dubbed? Were they done back in the day?
Or more recently for the DVD release?

Matt

In a message dated 8/24/01 9:15:19 AM, williejoe@... writes:

<< What was that all about? They were on the last leg of their farewell tour
and they kick Peter Kriss out? Couldn't they have kept him and went out with
class? >>

They were heading out to Japan and Australia and KISS (aka Gene Simmons and
Paul Stanley) and Peter could not agree on his contract so they went without
him. They got Eric Singer (the last non-makeup drummer before Criss returned)
to put on the Cat makeup and costume. It was a real slap in the face to hard
core KISS fans.

Matt

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:38 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out DVD REVIEW-- PLANET OF THE APES

Click here: DVD REVIEW-- PLANET OF THE APES

Thought I'd send this link just because some of you out there may want to get
the DVDs.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:05 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Click here: ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Well, I'll bet Alex is glad APES is kicking CAPTAIN CORELLI's ass, and JP 3's
too!

-- Rory

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.html I was a bit shocked that Eric is Wearing Peter's get-up.  You would think they could've come up with another cat-make-up for Eric without it looking like Pete.  Oh well.

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MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/24/01 9:15:19 AM, williejoe@... writes:

<<  What was that all about? They were on the last leg of their farewell tour
and they kick Peter Kriss out? Couldn't they have kept him and went out with
class? >>

They were heading out to Japan and Australia and KISS (aka Gene Simmons and
Paul Stanley) and Peter could not agree on his contract so they went without
him. They got Eric Singer (the last non-makeup drummer before Criss returned)
to put on the Cat makeup and costume. It was a real slap in the face to hard
core KISS fans.

Matt

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You thought Burton had a tight schedule? "Harry Potter" is currently being
edited and the sequel is being prepared to film this fall. Both are from the
same director. Reason being given is they don't want the lead actor's voice
to break before it's filmed. But it's all for the art.

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- - - Jeff

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From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:49 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA 2001


> >No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad. Let's have a roll call here.
> >Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and
who
> >says terrible?
>
>
> I thought POTA 2001 was okay, but it depends on what you compare it
> with. Compared with most other movies that came out this year it's
> a great movie, and I've been starved for new POTA material since 1975.
> But, it is not nearly as good as any of the previous Apes movies or
> TV episodes. At best it ranks up there with a cartoon episode. Although
> in some minor ways (e.g. ape costumes) it's the best Apes movie,
> it has hardly any of the anticonservative political satire which makes
> the previous POTA material so fascinating.
>
> While the movie was better than I was expecting, my expectations were low
> because I don't like any of Tim Burton's other movies except Batman.
> The main thing wrong with the movie is the quality of the writing. People
> rightly expect any movie called "Planet of the Apes" to have much, much
> better writing. If they do another picture I won't mind if they get a new
> director and all new actors/characters, but the most important thing of
> all is to get a better quality of writers.
>
> [spoilers follow]
>
> Negatives:
> The astronaut character was underacted, the Thade character was overblown,
> and the Ari character looked dumb. The ending would have been good if
> they kept it just like the book but they went too far putting Thade on the
> Lincoln memorial.
>
> Positives:
> Visually it was a good film, and my opinion may improve when I see it
> again on video. Plotwise, the movie also has one thing that I've always
> wanted to see in a POTA film which is have the humans fight back against
> the apes.
>
> Compare that with the TV series: In two of the 14 TV episodes Virdon
> and Burke prevented an attack on the Ape regime. Once when a human leader
> was stockpiling chemical weapons to use against the apes and another
> where a female chimpanze was going to launch a coup by bombing the
> High Council from air. In the short term Zaius and Urko were probably
> better off having Virdon and Burke running around preaching nonviolence
> and preventing civil wars and coups against them.
>
>
>

<< Get the DVD and a player, T. You can probably get both pretty cheap at
Walmart. >>


I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone and get a PS2 to play it on --
That is if you can access all the extras with it, adn if the POTA game can be
played one it. Does anyone know if it comes with a remote?

<< Aw, she's not that bad, just the hair. Besides, Ari's my favorite
character from the new movie but I wouldn't pay Medicom prices for her. I'm
waiting for the life-size inflatable Ari for the Tim Burton in all of us. >>

With hair like a stylin' hair Barbie!
Then there'll be no bad hair days for her!

In a message dated 8/24/01 7:50:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< You STILL haven't seen "Starlog"? >>

Hey, is that the August issue that came out in July?
What about Cinescape? Is that one out yet, or would that be, still out?

Must be big makeup geeks. Not much is cooler than Kabuki Rockers & Talkin'
monkeys!

<< In the '70's, Mego made both "Apes" and "KISS" toys. In the '70's,
Marvel published both "Apes" and "KISS" comics. In the '90's director Adam
Rifkin was the first to try a new "Apes" movie but instead did the
KISS-themed flick "Detroit Rock City". And now it's just been announced that
Dark Horse comics is going to do some "KISS" comics, the same company that
currently does..."Apes". This is too freaky. >>

In a message dated 8/24/01 8:15:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< What was that all about? They were on the last leg of their farewell
tour and they kick Peter Kriss out? Couldn't they have kept him and went out
with class? >>

It was a money thing.
They aren't above replacing anyone, since the first time he and Ace left.
But you have to remember, he's pretty old to be playing the drums all night.
It may have been a graceful way for him to bow out without just quitting
outright.

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Studios are too scared to play it anything but safe and bland. Makes me
> wonder why anybody here really cares about a sequel.

Hopefully so that we can see the film that the remake should have been.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Unfortunately there are no deleted scenes, however there are shots you

never

> saw in PLANET, including a great crane shot that was cut from the hunt,

and

> in one of the featurettes there's Heston saying some lines while he's in

the

> cage with Nova (just before getting 'hosed') that were cut from the final
> edit. Lots of cool stuff like that.

On a similar theme - I've heard an audio snippet of Heston's blurb about man
being the missing link between apes and human beings, or something like
that - can someone remind me where this is taken from? Is it from an
out-take or a trailer or what?

Alan

Bryan <Kay53531@...> wrote:

> I heard the Planet apes chronicals Paul Woods has ben delayed until

OCTOBER

> My bookstore told me today,Bummer!

Okay, I'm catching up on old emails here, but I don't think anyone replied
to this... the Paul Woods book is in shops now, along with the unofficial
companion and Revisited. It's the "Legend of the Planet of the Apes" book
that's been delayed, which is a shame since that's the one I was most
looking forward to!

Alan