"Phil " <pjn1209@...> wrote:

> I have it down to a science now:
>
> I go on a weekday afternoon (lower price, not crowded, though still a
> risk for chattering senior citizens)

A man after my own heart! I went to see the new film on Wednesday afternoon,
leaving it a few days so that the kids would be back at school. I counted
about 20 people in the auditorium for the screening. I also went to see
Shrek that afternoon - there were only two other people in!

It's my ambition to go in one day and find myself the only person there.

Alan

"Jeff Krueger" <williejoe@...> wrote:

> Somebody told me they heard Burton's "I'd rather jump out a window"

quote

> about the sequel on the radio. Man, that's getting around! He must be

saying

> that in every interview. It'll be hard for Fox to miss that.

Sounds to me like he's probably just said it in a press conference or
publicity interview or something, and it's getting quoted everywhere as a
result.

Alan

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> And by the way everyone, I am a school teacher (or at least I have a Uni
> degree that says as such), and NONE of you spell all that well.

Spek for youslef, my spelings prefect.

Alan

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

> If I remember correctly, when I seen the British release of the movie box
> set on eBay,I think they had them rated as PG movies on their current

video

> release.

The box set in the UK actually had a certificate 15, as the Beneath/Escape
tape was certified as such. The Conquest/Battle tape was certified 12 and
the original film was a PG.

This sort of information is found on the BBFC's website, www.bbfc.co.uk, and
a search for Planet of the Apes suggests that Beneath & Conquest may
actually have received minor cuts on their original release in the UK.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Well, I've made up a theory to explain the lost of the moon, but I'd like

to

> hear what some of you come up with first. My theory is rather unlikely,

but

> then it's rather unlikely that the moon wouldn't be there in the first

place.

Isn't it obvious? The moon was blown out of orbit in September 1999, which
was of course after Heston's flight, so he wouldn't have known by the time
he crash-landed.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Let us all hope the DVDs sell very well, after all the new movie makes the
> original now look like the f**king "Citizen Kane" of SF films -- AND I

MEAN

> IT!!!!!

Hey! The original IS the Citizen Kane of SF films!

Alan

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> Would you believe it is rated M in Australia?

Forgive my ignorance... what does an M rating mean? I've never heard of it.

Alan

In a message dated 8/24/01 8:37:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

<< Man, those are nice looking images on these reviews. >>

and they're snagable too!

<< I was a bit shocked that Eric is Wearing Peter's get-up. You would think
they
could've come up with another cat-make-up for Eric without it looking like
Pete. >>

Word B!
Like the guy before him...The Fox.

<danpiercy@...> wrote:

> Uh...actually it was reported on the IMDB that Burton would
> absolutely not do a sequel because the studio made the project so
> difficult to complete.

I'm not rubbishing the report outright, but be very, very wary of anything
that is reported on IMDB. Not the most reliable source of information I've
found.

Alan

"Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...> wrote:

>OH DEAR!
>If that's what they're saying about POTA 2001, I can imagine what they

would >say about the original that made a lot less at the box office!

They would be praising it. A lot.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BOX OFFICE!!!

Alan

"Jeff Krueger" <williejoe@...> wrote:

> You'll have to scramble to find them. Try used book stores, conventions,
> maybe even Mr. Hoknes. In my experience, book #1 is really hard to find

for

> the cartoon series, and #4 for the live action series. But that's probably
> because long ago Rory bought them
> all. - - - - Jeff

I certainly agree that Lord of the Apes is the toughest to find of all the
live action adaptations, but in my experience the first book in the cartoon
series is about as rare as things flying out of Rory's ass. The third book
in the cartoon series is the one I have never seen.

It's like those Power Records sets - the sets for Planet and Beneath are
genuinely rare, and yet the Escape and Battle sets, even still
shrinkwrapped, can't be given away! Everytime I click on one of these sets
on eBay, it always turns out to be Escape or Battle.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad. Let's have a roll call here.
> Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and who
> says terrible?

Hmmm. I enjoyed it, and thought it was good (but no more) in some ways -
some aspects were really good, some aspects were definitely not - but then
again I also enjoy zombies, cannibals, blaxploitation and japanese monster
movies.

As a serious SF flick, as a Tim Burton picture, and as a Planet of the Apes
film, it was poor.

Alan

.htmlThat remark about Fox priming the pump,and fox has ape fever,they could have
been nice about it ,saying fox is releasing the rare short lived television
series.Plus the episode that never aired!But they treat it as oh,no more
rehash apes stuff coming.many fans and collectors of sci fi will get this
treasure.Now that what we have done is becoming a reality,we should all write
and call fox for dvd set of the cartoon series.Fox may put it out if the tv
series does well.Next year perhaps! a limited collector edition set like the
Complete tv series will be Limited edition.5 months to seven months i bet
thenn out of print.same as the movies.Lets get going on the Return to the
Planet of the apes cartoon.Bryan<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 8:50:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

You STILL haven't seen "Starlog"?

I hope to find it this weekend at Borders.
<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 9:06:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

No problemo my friend - we Aussies are in a bit of a Hasslein's curve here
where all the new movies are coming out weeks/months later.  It sux.

Well, do yourself a BIG favor and skip "A.I."   It sux.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 9:15:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Today's the release of the comedy "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back". I saw it
2 months ago and I can guarantee you there's some "Ape" riffs in it. In
fact, I was on location when they filmed some of it (he he he). The local
free paper "LA Weekly" even said in their review that the "Ape" stuff is
the best part of the movie and is even better than Burton's movie (he he h
- - wait, that's not funny!).  There's not enough there for people who
don't like Kevin Smith or Cheech and Chong type humor, but those who want a
laugh (at Hollywood's expense, our favorite target right now) might
consider it.

             
                                                                           
 - - - Jeff



It's been getting some pretty bad reviews.  I can't decide if I want to go
see it or not.  If I go see it because you say so, Jeff, and it sucks, I
might travel to L.A. to beat you up.  I just can't take another bad movie.  
Everything lately sux!

-- Rory<.html

.html What's the first comic?
"Kiss meets the Phantom Menace of the Planet of the Apes theme Park"?
I wonder if these comics will contain real Kiss blood in the ink like the old Marvell ones.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

  In the '70's, Mego made both "Apes" and "KISS" toys. In the '70's, Marvel published both "Apes" and "KISS" comics. In the '90's director Adam Rifkin was the first to try a new "Apes" movie but instead did the KISS-themed flick "Detroit Rock City". And now it's just been announced that Dark Horse comics is going to do some "KISS" comics, the same company that currently does..."Apes". This is too freaky.                                                                                  - - - - Rory  

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:05 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

 Click here: ShowBIZ Daily Box Office Report

Well, I'll bet Alex is glad APES is kicking CAPTAIN CORELLI's ass, and JP 3's
too!

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 9:15:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

I haven't done this yet, but I did listen to the Ursus speech in French and
that was pretty cool. When were these dubbed? Were they done back in the
day?
Or more recently for the DVD release?

Matt

I don't know.  Why does somebody call Tashia or whatever her name is -- I'm
sure she'll know.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 9:20:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<<  What was that all about? They were on the last leg of their farewell
tour
and they kick Peter Kriss out? Couldn't they have kept him and went out
with
class? >>

They were heading out to Japan and Australia and KISS (aka Gene Simmons and
Paul Stanley) and Peter could not agree on his contract so they went
without
him. They got Eric Singer (the last non-makeup drummer before Criss
returned)
to put on the Cat makeup and costume. It was a real slap in the face to
hard
core KISS fans.

Matt

Class from Kiss?  Isn't that an oxymoron?

-- Rory Simians<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 9:37:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Man, those are nice looking images on these reviews.

                                                                      - -
- - Jeff



That was the reason I forwarded them, hugger-mugger boy!  Very good!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 3:34:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<<  You STILL haven't seen "Starlog"? >>

Hey, is that the August issue that came out in July?
What about Cinescape?  Is that one out yet, or would that be, still out?

Cinescape ceased publication a few months ago because they got bought by
Fandom.com which then went bankrupt.  But Cinescape is supposed to be back in
the fall.  I can't wait to read what Mark Altman has to say about Burton's
POTA.  Oh boy!!!

Two magazines I need to look for this weekend:  Cinefantastique and Starlog.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 3:43:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

On a similar theme - I've heard an audio snippet of Heston's blurb about man
being the missing link between apes and human beings, or something like
that - can someone remind me where this is taken from? Is it from an
out-take or a trailer or what?

Alan

That was a line cut from Taylor's opening monologue, or dropped after a
re-write.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 3:44:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
> Would you believe it is rated M in Australia?

Forgive my ignorance... what does an M rating mean? I've never heard of it.

Alan

When we used to have an M rating here in the States it meant "Mature
Audiences Only."   It got replaced with PG, then PG-13.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 3:46:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> Let us all hope the DVDs sell very well, after all the new movie makes the
> original now look like the f**king "Citizen Kane" of SF films -- AND I
MEAN
> IT!!!!!

Hey! The original IS the Citizen Kane of SF films!

Alan

Oh, yeah.  Sorry.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 4:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

"Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...> wrote:
>OH DEAR!
>If that's what they're saying about POTA 2001, I can imagine what they
would >say about the original that made a lot less at the box office!

They would be praising it. A lot.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BOX OFFICE!!!

Alan

I don't know, Alan.  I think the boxoffice means a lot to Alex.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 4:11:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> No, it's not all bad, it's just really bad.  Let's have a roll call here.
> Who says the new movie was good, who says okay, who says mediocre, and who
> says terrible?

Hmmm. I enjoyed it, and thought it was good (but no more) in some ways -
some aspects were really good, some aspects were definitely not - but then
again I also enjoy zombies, cannibals, blaxploitation and japanese monster
movies.

As a serious SF flick, as a Tim Burton picture, and as a Planet of the Apes
film, it was poor.

Alan

Yeah, it's not a serious SF flick.  It's a summer blockbuster movie.  They're
not serious about anything but making money.  Right, Alex?

-- Rory<.html

<< When we used to have an M rating here in the States it meant "Mature
Audiences Only." It got replaced with PG, then PG-13. >>

I don't remember that one. I do remember when they switched GP and split it
into PG & PG-13. Maybe it was very shirt lived or just a west coast thing.

.htmlAre the two actors who played them alive?and is macdonald still alive,and
Kulp from battle Bryan<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 6:52:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< When we used to have an M rating here in the States it meant "Mature
Audiences Only."   It got replaced with PG, then PG-13. >>

I don't remember that one.  I do remember when they switched GP and split
it
into PG & PG-13.  Maybe it was very shirt lived or just a west coast thing.

I think the rating system started in late 1968.  PLANET came out too early to
get a rating, but BULLITT, released in Oct. '68, got an M rating.  I don't
remember a GP rating.  I know PG stood for Parental Guidance, but what did GP
stand for?

-- Rory<.html

That's the Sept. issue of "Starlog", with a Natalie Trundy interview and a
couple of special guests. Also cool is the new issue of "Empire", with
Wahlberg and Pericles on the cover. Our U.K. friends didn't hip us to that,
dude, but it's got a retro on the original, including pics I've never seen
before. My favorite is some apes from the day hanging out in a seedy area.
Reminds me of "Morrison Hotel". Of course there's also an article on the new
one, also with photos I've never seen. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: T.V. SERIES DVD BOX


> In a message dated 8/24/01 7:50:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
> williejoe@... writes:
>
> << You STILL haven't seen "Starlog"? >>
>
> Hey, is that the August issue that came out in July?
> What about Cinescape? Is that one out yet, or would that be, still out?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

If you consider budget vs. money brought in, the original was MUCH more
successful than the new one. Let's face it, the new one is an art film that
Fox greenlighted to thank us for being so loyal. Making money was the last
thing on their minds.


- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001
| Biggest Letdown -- 8/2


> "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...> wrote:
> >OH DEAR!
> >If that's what they're saying about POTA 2001, I can imagine what they
> would >say about the original that made a lot less at the box office!
>
> They would be praising it. A lot.
>
> IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BOX OFFICE!!!
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 1:22 PM

Subject: [pota] Will the Planet of apes cartoon Dvd set Follow?

That remark about Fox priming the pump,and fox has ape fever,they could have
been nice about it ,saying fox is releasing the rare short lived television
series.Plus the episode that never aired!But they treat it as oh,no more
rehash apes stuff coming.many fans and collectors of sci fi will get this
treasure.Now that what we have done is becoming a reality,we should all write
and call fox for dvd set of the cartoon series.Fox may put it out if the tv
series does well.Next year perhaps! a limited collector edition set like the
Complete tv series will be Limited edition.5 months to seven months i bet
thenn out of print.same as the movies.Lets get going on the Return to the
Planet of the apes cartoon.Bryan

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<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] KISS APES

In a message dated 8/24/01 9:20:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<<  What was that all about? They were on the last leg of their farewell
tour
and they kick Peter Kriss out? Couldn't they have kept him and went out
with
class? >>

They were heading out to Japan and Australia and KISS (aka Gene Simmons and
Paul Stanley) and Peter could not agree on his contract so they went
without
him. They got Eric Singer (the last non-makeup drummer before Criss
returned)
to put on the Cat makeup and costume. It was a real slap in the face to
hard
core KISS fans.

Matt

Class from Kiss?  Isn't that an oxymoron?

-- Rory Simians

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Calling All McDowall & SF Fans!!!
AMC is a good night for you tonight.
Fright night followed by War of the Worlds.
War O' de Worlds repeats again later.

"M" = man

"GP" = Gorilla public

Dan

Hey Gang,

Did anyonme save any of the images of Roddy posing with General Ursus
from the 30th Anniversary party back in '98?

I remember seeing alot of really cool UPI shots on all the internet
after he passed away.

Just wondering if anyone grabbed them.

Lemmee know,

Brian

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 8:46:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 That's the Sept. issue of "Starlog", with a Natalie Trundy interview and a
couple of special guests. Also cool is the new issue of "Empire", with
Wahlberg and Pericles on the cover. Our U.K. friends didn't hip us to that,
dude, but it's got a retro on the original, including pics I've never seen
before. My favorite is some apes from the day hanging out in a seedy area.
Reminds me of "Morrison Hotel". Of course there's also an article on the new
one, also with photos I've never seen.                               - - -
Jeff

Okay, okay. . . now I need to look for Starlog, Cinefantastique and Empire.  
Anything else, Jeff?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 8:54:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

If you consider budget vs. money brought in, the original was MUCH more
successful than the new one. Let's face it, the new one is an art film that
Fox greenlighted to thank us for being so loyal. Making money was the last
thing on their minds.

                                                                           
        - - - - Jeff

You tell 'em, Krueger!!!   The original PLANET: made for $5.8 million, has
brought in $26 million plus.  That's a quadruple return for the studio.

The remake of APES: made for $100 million plus, has only just about doubled
its money.

The original RULES!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 8:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 There is no unaired TV episode. As for the cartoons, don't hold your
breath. They haven't even bothered to release the cartoon versions of the
almighty "Star Wars" and "Star Trek". They will figure the cartoons are for
little kids and little kids don't know what POTA is. But they should show
it on Sci -Fi Channel!                                                      
       - - - - Jeff

They already did, years ago!   But it would be nice if they'd do it again.  
I'm still waiting for them to repeat Captain Scarlet and Stingray.  They're
currently showing those damn Irwin Allen things to death!  Blahhhh!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 9:10:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

Calling All McDowall & SF Fans!!!
AMC is a good night for you tonight.
Fright night followed by War of the Worlds.
War O' de Worlds repeats again later.

Yeah, those are good flicks, T!

-- Rory<.html

<< I don't remember a GP rating. I know PG stood for Parental Guidance,
but what did GP stand for? >>

That's a good question!
Here's the low down on the whole thing courtesy If the MPAA

THE BIRTH OF THE RATINGS

By early fall, I was ready. My colleagues in the National Association of
Theatre Owners joined with me in affirming our objective of creating a new
and, at the time, revolutionary approach to how we would fulfill our
obligation to the parents of America.

My first move was to abolish the old and decaying Hays Production Code. I did
that immediately. Then on November 1, 1968, we announced the birth of the new
voluntary film rating system of the motion picture industry, with three
organizations, NATO, MPAA, and IFIDA, as its monitoring and guiding groups.

The initial design called for four rating categories:

G for General Audiences, all ages admitted;

M for mature audiences - parental guidance suggested, but all ages admitted;

R for Restricted, children under 16 would not be admitted without an
accompanying parent or adult guardian; (later raised to under 17 years of
age, (and varies in some jurisdictions));

X for no one under 17 admitted.

The rating system trademarked all the category symbols, except the X. Under
the plan, anyone not submitting his or her film for rating could self apply
the X or any other symbol or description, except those trademarked by the
rating program.

Our original plan had been to use only three rating categories, ending with
R. It was my view that parents ought to be able to accompany their children
to any movie the parents choose, without the movie industry or the government
or self-appointed groups interfering with their rights. But NATO urged the
creation of an adults only category, fearful of possible legal redress under
state or local law. I acquiesced in NATO's reasoning and the four category
system, including the X rating, was installed.

So, the emergence of the voluntary rating system filled the vacuum provided
by my dismantling of the Hays Production Code. The movie industry would no
longer "approve or disapprove" the content of a film, but we would now see
our primary task as giving advance cautionary warnings to parents so that
parents could make the decision about the moviegoing of their young children.

CHANGES IN THE RATING SYSTEM

We found early on that the M category (M meaning "Mature") was regarded by
most parents as a sterner rating than the R category. To remedy this
misconception, we changed the name from M to GP (meaning General audiences,
Parental guidance suggested). A year later we revised the name to its current
label, "PG: Parental Guidance Suggested."

On July 1, 1984, we made another adjustment. We split the PG category into
two groupings, PG and PG-13. PG-13 meant a higher level of intensity than was
to be found in a film rated PG. Over the past years, parents have approved of
this amplifying revision in the rating system.

On September 27, 1990, we announced two more revisions.

First, we introduced brief explanations of why a particular film received its
R rating. Since, in the opinion of the Ratings Board, R rated films contain
adult material, we believed it would be useful to parents to know a little
more about that film's content before they allowed their children to
accompany them. Sometime later we began applying the explanations in the PG,
PG-13 and NC-17 categories as well. These explanations are available to
parents at the theater (by telephone or at the box office), in certain media
reviews and listings, and also made available on the MPAA's World Wide Web
Home Page on the Internet. This internet address is http://www.mpaa.org

Second, we changed the name of the X category to NC-17:NO ONE 17 AND UNDER
ADMITTED. The X rating over the years appeared to have taken on a surly
meaning in the minds of many people, a meaning that was never intended when
we created the system. Therefore, we chose to reaffirm the original intent of
the design we installed on November 1, 1968, in which this "adults only"
category explicitly describes a movie that most parents would want to have
barred to viewing by their children. That was and is our goal, nothing more,
nothing less.

We have now trademarked "NC-17:NO ONE 17 AND UNDER ADMITTED" so that this
rating symbol and the legend can be used only by those who submit their films
for rating.

.htmlthose little kids are grown up and still would want it for nostalgia thats
why they call it collectors edition.bryan<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Mag as hell

In a message dated 8/24/01 8:46:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 That's the Sept. issue of "Starlog", with a Natalie Trundy interview and a
couple of special guests. Also cool is the new issue of "Empire", with
Wahlberg and Pericles on the cover. Our U.K. friends didn't hip us to that,
dude, but it's got a retro on the original, including pics I've never seen
before. My favorite is some apes from the day hanging out in a seedy area.
Reminds me of "Morrison Hotel". Of course there's also an article on the new
one, also with photos I've never seen.                               - - -
Jeff

Okay, okay. . . now I need to look for Starlog, Cinefantastique and Empire.  
Anything else, Jeff?

-- Rory

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.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:24 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 | Biggest...

In a message dated 8/24/01 8:54:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

If you consider budget vs. money brought in, the original was MUCH more
successful than the new one. Let's face it, the new one is an art film that
Fox greenlighted to thank us for being so loyal. Making money was the last
thing on their minds.

                                                                           
        - - - - Jeff

You tell 'em, Krueger!!!   The original PLANET: made for $5.8 million, has
brought in $26 million plus.  That's a quadruple return for the studio.

The remake of APES: made for $100 million plus, has only just about doubled
its money.

The original RULES!

-- Rory

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<.html

I think there's something like that at Terry Hoknes' site.


- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: [pota] Roddy & Ursus


> Hey Gang,
>
> Did anyonme save any of the images of Roddy posing with General Ursus
> from the 30th Anniversary party back in '98?
>
> I remember seeing alot of really cool UPI shots on all the internet
> after he passed away.
>
> Just wondering if anyone grabbed them.
>
> Lemmee know,
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> Brian
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] It's Jay and Silent Bob Day

In a message dated 8/24/01 9:15:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Today's the release of the comedy "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back". I saw it
2 months ago and I can guarantee you there's some "Ape" riffs in it. In
fact, I was on location when they filmed some of it (he he he). The local
free paper "LA Weekly" even said in their review that the "Ape" stuff is
the best part of the movie and is even better than Burton's movie (he he h
- - wait, that's not funny!).  There's not enough there for people who
don't like Kevin Smith or Cheech and Chong type humor, but those who want a
laugh (at Hollywood's expense, our favorite target right now) might
consider it.

             
                                                                           
 - - - Jeff

It's been getting some pretty bad reviews.  I can't decide if I want to go
see it or not.  If I go see it because you say so, Jeff, and it sucks, I
might travel to L.A. to beat you up.  I just can't take another bad movie.  
Everything lately sux!

-- Rory

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In a message dated 8/24/01 3:52:06 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Like the guy before him...The Fox. >>

You mean the guy after him.

Matt

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:57 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD DELETED SCENES?????

In a message dated 8/24/01 3:43:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

On a similar theme - I've heard an audio snippet of Heston's blurb about man
being the missing link between apes and human beings, or something like
that - can someone remind me where this is taken from? Is it from an
out-take or a trailer or what?

Alan

That was a line cut from Taylor's opening monologue, or dropped after a
re-write.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 4:27 PM

Subject: [pota] Landon and Doge

Are the two actors who played them alive?and is macdonald still alive,and
Kulp from battle Bryan

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.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 11:25:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I think that was specially recorded for him for the publicity. It's seen on
the new DVD in the NATO promo and the featurette. Like where he stands by
the Lawgiver and says, "We think this will all add up to an enjoyable and
exploitable film".

                                                                         -
- - Jeff



I still think it was a line from Taylor's monologue that got re-wrote after a
few takes, or edited.  I have a copy of PLANET's script dated May 16, 1967.  
Here's Taylor's speech in this version:

"So ends my last signal until we reach our destination.  We are now on
automatic, a mere hundred and five light years from our base... and at the
mercy of computers.  I've tucked in my crew for the long sleep.  I'll join
them presently.  Within the hour we shall complete the sixth month of our
flight from Cape Kennedy.  By our time, that is...  But according to Dr.
Hasslein's theory of time in a vehicle traveling at close to the speed of
light, old Mother Earth has aged a few thousand years since our departure --
while we have scarcely aged at all.  It may be so.  This much is probable:
Those men who sent us on this journey have long been mouldering in forgotten
graves, and those, if any, who read this message are a different breed.  Let
us hope so.  I leave the twentieth century without regret.  Who was it?  
Marshall?...said 'Modern man is the missing link between the ape and the
human being.'  That's about it:  I wonder if Man, that marvel of the
universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still makes war
against his brother, and lets his neighbor's children starve.  Well then,
Earthmen:  A missing link salutes you.  Bless you, my descendants."

Not quite the final version, is it?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/24/01 11:35:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Austin Stoker (MacDonald #2) is still alive. In fact, he was supposed to do
a convention with Eric Greene last weekend but his son had a car accident.
Hari Rhoades (MacDonald #1) died in 1990. I don't know about the others.

                                                                           
   - - - - Jeff



Landon was played by an actor named Robert Gunner.  He had bit parts in "Our
Man Flint" and "Caprice," and co-starred with Vincent Price in "The Jackels"
before doing PLANET.  After that he disappeared.  I've never found anything
else about him.  It's one of the great POTA mysteries.

Dodge was killed in the hunt... NO! NO!   Dodge was played by Jeff Burton.  
He did a lot of bit parts, mostly on TV in the sixties in shows like
"Dragnet," "Batman" and "Bewitched."  He also appeared in bits in a few other
films such as "Sweet Charity"  and "Coffy."  He died on January 18, 1988.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:59 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] "Behind" Special Edition DVD DELETED SCENES?????

In a message dated 8/24/01 11:25:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I think that was specially recorded for him for the publicity. It's seen on
the new DVD in the NATO promo and the featurette. Like where he stands by
the Lawgiver and says, "We think this will all add up to an enjoyable and
exploitable film".

                                                                         -
- - Jeff

I still think it was a line from Taylor's monologue that got re-wrote after a
few takes, or edited.  I have a copy of PLANET's script dated May 16, 1967.  
Here's Taylor's speech in this version:

"So ends my last signal until we reach our destination.  We are now on
automatic, a mere hundred and five light years from our base... and at the
mercy of computers.  I've tucked in my crew for the long sleep.  I'll join
them presently.  Within the hour we shall complete the sixth month of our
flight from Cape Kennedy.  By our time, that is...  But according to Dr.
Hasslein's theory of time in a vehicle traveling at close to the speed of
light, old Mother Earth has aged a few thousand years since our departure --
while we have scarcely aged at all.  It may be so.  This much is probable:
Those men who sent us on this journey have long been mouldering in forgotten
graves, and those, if any, who read this message are a different breed.  Let
us hope so.  I leave the twentieth century without regret.  Who was it?  
Marshall?...said 'Modern man is the missing link between the ape and the
human being.'  That's about it:  I wonder if Man, that marvel of the
universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still makes war
against his brother, and lets his neighbor's children starve.  Well then,
Earthmen:  A missing link salutes you.  Bless you, my descendants."

Not quite the final version, is it?

-- Rory

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.htmlI saw a commercial tonight while I was watching the CBS Evening news.  It was
for Bank of America and it showed these boys on top of a rock.  One of the
boys was afraid to jump off the rock into a pool of water.  He then gets the
courage and jumps in.  I recognized the rocks and the pool.  It's the same
one as from our beloved PLANET OF THE APES!

They must have shot it at Malibu Creek State Park, and the pool is still
there!  Keep on the lookout for that commercial.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/01 12:22:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 But some of it doesn't jibe. He says: "A journey that began with
traquility and will end where?" Later he brings up the hunt, etc. Obviously
he recorded that stuff to promote it and perhaps used the Marshall line.

                                                                           
      - - -Jeff



Yes, you may be right there.  I will have to listen again.  I know from Joe
Russo that the lines from the movie heard on that NATO thing are the original
on-set recordings.  They were dubbed over in the final version.

-- Rory<.html

Must have been Tim Burton's idea......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 23:18
They got Eric Singer (the last non-makeup drummer before Criss returned)
to put on the Cat makeup and costume. It was a real slap in the face to hard
core KISS fans.

Matt

Must be over 15 (M = Mature Audience).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2001 5:23
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Ratings

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> Would you believe it is rated M in Australia?

Forgive my ignorance... what does an M rating mean? I've never heard of it.

Alan

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<< He then gets the
courage and jumps in. I recognized the rocks and the pool. It's the same
one as from our beloved PLANET OF THE APES!

They must have shot it at Malibu Creek State Park, and the pool is still
there! Keep on the lookout for that commercial. >>

Yeah, have you seen the behind the scenes on Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid
where they match up the shot by having them jump off there in front of a
mat-painting while they churn the pool into white water with outboard motors?

Sorry, I meant jump with a mat-painting in front of them.

The latest issue of Starburst ( also from the U.K) has an article on the classic
POTA also. It has JP3 on the cover. The cover story is written by a good friend
of mine. Check it out.
I bought that Starlog w/ Ms Trundy in it almost two seeks ago. Get with the
program Rory!
It's a shame they didn't run the article in the last issue which was
predominately APES related.
Best,
KEN

Jack Krueger wrote:

> That's the Sept. issue of "Starlog", with a Natalie Trundy interview and a
> couple of special guests. Also cool is the new issue of "Empire", with
> Wahlberg and Pericles on the cover. Our U.K. friends didn't hip us to that,
> dude, but it's got a retro on the original, including pics I've never seen
> before. My favorite is some apes from the day hanging out in a seedy area.
> Reminds me of "Morrison Hotel". Of course there's also an article on the new
> one, also with photos I've never seen. - - -
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: T.V. SERIES DVD BOX
>
> > In a message dated 8/24/01 7:50:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > williejoe@... writes:
> >
> > << You STILL haven't seen "Starlog"? >>
> >
> > Hey, is that the August issue that came out in July?
> > What about Cinescape? Is that one out yet, or would that be, still out?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

yeah, I get those 'Darrens' from Bewitched and 'Chrises' from The Partridge
family mixed up too.

MTotsky@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/24/01 3:52:06 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << Like the guy before him...The Fox. >>
>
> You mean the guy after him.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>

Just some observations...

1. There are three moons but you can only see all of them during landing and
take off.

2. The Satan's pitchfork symbol that's every where is the spitting image of
the Oberon.

3. Those switches on the side of the pod must do a lot of different things.
He seems to control the whole ship with those.

4. The helmets he and Pericles wear are useless for space travel. Pericles'
just sits on his shoulders and Leo's just slips in his collar. No pressure
suits there.

5. Unless Ape City is hollow it doesn't seem big enough to hold all the
soldiers in their army.

6. When Leo comes up from the pool he says 3 dead monkeys, but there were
only 2. Oh well, he didn't have goggles on.

7. And I checked again...The last shot of the gun is a nickel plated 45.
The spacegun's barrel is a bit longer and black! And in a couple of shots I
don't think he had it at all.

All that aside...It get better every time I see it. Though my suspension of
disbelief won't extend to the amount of corners they cut and the number of
times they used racial cliches and substituted "Human" Oh well, it's easier
to enjoy when there are only a few other people in the theater. If you'd
like to go again...catch the first show of the day or the last show of the
night. You'll practically have the place to yourself. So, soon it will be
at the dollar movies. Come on Alex! Lets boost those numbers!

No, "Starlog" stretches it out, so if you're interested in a certain movie
you have to buy 3 issues. I prefer extensive coverage of one topic, like
"Cinefantastique" or "Cinefex".


- - - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Mag as hell


> The latest issue of Starburst ( also from the U.K) has an article on the
classic
> POTA also. It has JP3 on the cover. The cover story is written by a good
friend
> of mine. Check it out.
> I bought that Starlog w/ Ms Trundy in it almost two seeks ago. Get with
the
> program Rory!
> It's a shame they didn't run the article in the last issue which was
> predominately APES related.
> Best,
> KEN
>
> Jack Krueger wrote:
>
> > That's the Sept. issue of "Starlog", with a Natalie Trundy interview
and a
> > couple of special guests. Also cool is the new issue of "Empire", with
> > Wahlberg and Pericles on the cover. Our U.K. friends didn't hip us to
that,
> > dude, but it's got a retro on the original, including pics I've never
seen
> > before. My favorite is some apes from the day hanging out in a seedy
area.
> > Reminds me of "Morrison Hotel". Of course there's also an article on the
new
> > one, also with photos I've never
seen. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <LordTZer0@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: T.V. SERIES DVD BOX
> >
> > > In a message dated 8/24/01 7:50:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > > williejoe@... writes:
> > >
> > > << You STILL haven't seen "Starlog"? >>
> > >
> > > Hey, is that the August issue that came out in July?
> > > What about Cinescape? Is that one out yet, or would that be, still
out?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi!

--- In pota@y..., "Mez Downes" <mdownes@n...> wrote:
[snip]
> But really, you got into the cartoon but not the series? Are you
> familiar with the British word 'naff'??

I think so. That's like saying the new film is 'pants', no? ;-)

Back in those days, since Saturday mornings were just recovery hours
from Friday nightclubbing, the cartoons had me 'captivated'[sp?]
or 'captured', I guess.

Anyway, I'm thrilled about the pending DVD release of the old show.
It's on my Christmas list, for sure. ;-)

I checked out your 'friends and fugitives' website this week for the
first time. I loved it, great design!

Best Wishes!
J.

OK, let's assume Burton is serious about bailing. Who would you like to
direct the sequel? It has to be a realistic choice. It can't be a James
Cameron or a Terry Gilliam, people in their prime for whom directing a
sequel to someone else's movie would be considered a step backwards.

Here's the scenario: Miracle of miracles, Fox has actually listened to the
criticisms of Burton's movie and have connected it to the box office not
being all they had hoped. They want to trim the budget but still make it an
"A-list" sequel that will warrant the makeup and visuals needed. It's your
choice if you keep Wahlberg or not but if not you need a good arguement.
It's not even like in the days of "Beneath" when audiences accepted Heston
in only a couple of scenes because "it's just a sequel". These days (thanks
to "The Godfather" and "Star Wars") sequels are the A-list (for the last 3
weeks the top movies have been sequels) and studios want to keep their
stars, no matter what the cost, to keep their sequels legit. Wahlberg was
very important to the ending of the previous film, and if you jettison him,
like Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do.

Where were we? Oh yeah, picking the director. Most likely it would be
someone who's done some successful smaller films. For example, the young
James Cameron doing "Aliens" . Or it could be an old pro who wants the
publicity a high profile sequel can give. Example: one of the best directors
around , John Frankenheimer, who got his start in '50's live TV like Frank
Schaffner, just signed on to do a new "Exorcist" sequel . So who would
direct the next "Apes" ? Give us the person and the scenario.

Since I brought it up, I get to go first! My choice is Wahlberg's "3 Kings"
director, David O. Russell. I would keep Wahlberg and I don't think a new
director coming on would be intimidated by it. I think Leo in the first film
is a "blank slate" , we don't know much about him except he's a nice guy who
gets anal. A new director could take that character in any number of
directions. I don't know much about David Russell except that his DVD
commentary was awesome and "3 Kings" had many of the elements that would
make a good POTA film: action, humor, satire, drama, good performances, a
social conscience. It also was done on a modest budget but looked epic. It
flopped but I think the dude's obvious talent and his relationship with
Wahlberg might sway Fox. He also wrote "3 Kings", so the guy knows scripts.
Man, let him loose on a "Monkey Planet" scenario, release it in 2003 for the
40th of Boulle's novel and let the celebration begin!

Who would YOU choose?


- - - Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001 |
Biggest...


>
>
> Just some observations...
>
> 1. There are three moons but you can only see all of them during landing
and
> take off.
>
> 2. The Satan's pitchfork symbol that's every where is the spitting image
of
> the Oberon.
>
> 3. Those switches on the side of the pod must do a lot of different
things.
> He seems to control the whole ship with those.
>
> 4. The helmets he and Pericles wear are useless for space travel.
Pericles'
> just sits on his shoulders and Leo's just slips in his collar. No
pressure
> suits there.
>
> 5. Unless Ape City is hollow it doesn't seem big enough to hold all the
> soldiers in their army.
>
> 6. When Leo comes up from the pool he says 3 dead monkeys, but there were
> only 2. Oh well, he didn't have goggles on.
>
> 7. And I checked again...The last shot of the gun is a nickel plated 45.
> The spacegun's barrel is a bit longer and black! And in a couple of shots
I
> don't think he had it at all.
>
> All that aside...It get better every time I see it. Though my suspension
of
> disbelief won't extend to the amount of corners they cut and the number of
> times they used racial cliches and substituted "Human" Oh well, it's
easier
> to enjoy when there are only a few other people in the theater. If you'd
> like to go again...catch the first show of the day or the last show of the
> night. You'll practically have the place to yourself. So, soon it will
be
> at the dollar movies. Come on Alex! Lets boost those numbers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi!

Someone wrote that Cinescape went out of business. I was wondering
what happened! Can I get refund on my subscription? [Dreaming, right?]

I can't find Starlog in any of the usual places. What the story with
that? I'm sure that one has a pretty good circulation, right?

Best Wishes!
J.

Hi!

--- In pota@y..., "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@e...> wrote:
> OK, let's assume Burton is serious about bailing. Who would you
like to
> direct the sequel? It has to be a realistic choice.
[snip]
> Since I brought it up, I get to go first! My choice is
Wahlberg's "3 Kings"
> director, David O. Russell. I would keep Wahlberg and I don't think
a new
> director coming on would be intimidated by it. I think Leo in the
first film
> is a "blank slate" , we don't know much about him except he's a
nice guy who
> gets anal.

I think that scene got cut.

Anyway, I hope that Burton does come back so maybe he can work out
some of the stuff he held back or cut down due to the pressure of
making the release date.

If he doesn't come back, I'd be interested in Raimi or Harlin if one
of them would even consider it.

If not, I'd go for Jim Wynorski or Albert Pyun. In my script,
Walhberg is, like Heston, back for a cameo only.

Best Wishes!
J.

.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/01 2:38:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< He then gets the
courage and jumps in.  I recognized the rocks and the pool.  It's the same
one as from our beloved PLANET OF THE APES!

They must have shot it at Malibu Creek State Park, and the pool is still
there!  Keep on the lookout for that commercial.  >>

Yeah, have you seen the behind the scenes on Butch Cassidy & The Sundance
Kid
where they match up the shot by having them jump off there in front of a
mat-painting while they churn the pool into white water with outboard
motors?

Yeah, that's right, same place -- the Fox Ranch, now the state park.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/01 2:54:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

The latest issue of Starburst ( also from the U.K) has an article on the
classic
POTA also. It has JP3 on the cover. The cover story is written by a good
friend
of mine. Check it out.
I bought that Starlog w/ Ms Trundy in it almost two seeks ago. Get with the
program Rory!
It's a shame they didn't run the article in the last issue which was
predominately APES related.
Best,
KEN

Hey, it's not me that's not with the program, it's this lousy bookstore that
not keeping its stock up to date!!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/01 8:32:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

The latest issue of Starburst ( also from the U.K) has an article on the
classic
POTA also. It has JP3 on the cover. The cover story is written by a good
friend
of mine. Check it out.
I bought that Starlog w/ Ms Trundy in it almost two seeks ago. Get with
the
program Rory!
It's a shame they didn't run the article in the last issue which was
predominately APES related.
Best,
KEN

And, yeah, I got that Starburst mag over two weeks ago!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/01 9:25:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
happyfortune@... writes:

Hi!

Someone wrote that Cinescape went out of business. I was wondering
what happened! Can I get refund on my subscription? [Dreaming, right?]

I can't find Starlog in any of the usual places. What the story with
that? I'm sure that one has a pretty good circulation, right?

Best Wishes!
J.

I don't know what's happening with Starlog, but as I said before Cinescape
will be back in the Fall.  If you have a subscription, as I do, I'm sure will
get the next issue when it's released.  Go on www.cinescape.com if you want
to read what happened with the mag.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlKrueger, I'm not going to answer all your questions.  I've been thinking
about this, or how they could have made the new movie better, for nearly a
month now, and I'm sick of spanking the monkey.

I will say this. . . . Fox has a real challenge ahead if they decide to go
with a sequel (and presumably a franchise).  They know they have a film that
got mostly bad reviews and bad word of mouth, and pissed a lot of the fans
off.  The next film will HAVE to be better than the first film or else the
franchise is doomed.  They will first need a story and script that's more
serious about APES.  In that respect they can be glad Burton won't return
(and HE WON'T).  As you know, getting a good script is the hardest part.  Fox
will also want to do the film on a cheaper budget.  Since the first one was
made for $100 million, I'd bet they'll try for something between $50 and $70
mill.  They can't do anything good for anything less -- as I said, they have
a challenge ahead.  As for a director, they'll probably look for someone who
has simply shown he can handle these big productions, and whose last picture
made money.  They won't go for any 'vision' guy again.  I'll bet that Fox
will spend the next year and a half watching what other SF and fantasy films
do well, then nab the talent behind them to do the next APES picture.  I'll
also bet you that Fox will want the sequel to be 'different' from the first
one.  They know the public likes APES, and they've got their new look for the
APES -- though I'll bet in the next one we get NO Ari types -- but since the
next one will take place on another world, expect another 'take' on the whole
concept.

As for Wahlberg returning, I think you can forget that.  He'll be too big a
'star' in another two years, and since Burton won't be back, neither with
Wahlberg.  Don't even bother thinking about him, and that goes for the rest
of the cast.

However, I still think the chances are good Fox will decide it doesn't want
to do a further APES film at this time -- the bean counters at the studio,
the guys who really run the show, may decide the risks are too great.  I
think the chances of a sequel in the next two or three years are right now
only 50/50 at best.

I'm sure you'll all give me an argument about all this, but I'm older than
most of you and I've been into movies a lot more than most.  I've watched
these things before.  APES is a tough concept to handle.  Why do you think
this thing was in development hell for nearly a decade?  You think Fox is
going to just do a sequel in two years and have it be any good at all?!!!  
You're dreaming.  What the studios like best is to do movies with
'guaranties.'  They'll take their time to try and guaranty another hit APES
film.  This means it's a BIG MAYBE as to whether there's another or not.  All
we can do is wait and see.  I take this mostly negative view of things
because I think it's best to expect the worst from modern Hollywood.  I tried
hoping for the best with the new film, and I got worst than I expected.  
That's reality for you!

In the meantime, I'm just going to just watch the original from time to time.
 It's the only APES movie I completely love and all I really need.   As for
any of the rest of you that feel you need more -- I pity you.  You know I
just remembered something that I've been wanting to ask everyone.  If there
was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and nothing
else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans?   I know I would.  PLANET
would still be my all-time favorite film and I'd be a huge fan of it -- as I
am.

-- Rory<.html

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Who was it?
> Marshall?...said 'Modern man is the missing link between the ape and the
> human being.'

That's the bit I was talking about. I wondered where that came from.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Okay, okay. . . now I need to look for Starlog, Cinefantastique and

Empire.

> Anything else, Jeff?

Has anyone else mentioned the SFX Collectors' Edition yet? As well as their
regular monthly issues, they also publish occasional specials devoted to one
thing. Their latest one is an Apes special. While most of the coverage is of
the new film, it does cover the complete franchise (which is why I bought
it) - the original films, the TV series, the cartoon, the comics, the
merchandise... hell, they even manage to devote a couple of pages to Time of
the Apes!

Total Film in the UK also had an issue with coverage mainly of the new film
but a couple of little bits about the classic Apes, including Apemania.

Alan

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

> 6. When Leo comes up from the pool he says 3 dead monkeys, but there were
> only 2. Oh well, he didn't have goggles on.

Are you sure about that? I thought he said two. Maybe if there's a third
it's due to some bizarre time-warping subplot that was cut out, and would
have explained the ending.

Then again...

Alan

Sequels?

Well first things first, I don't believe Wahlberg would be as necessary as
people think. Leo wasn't a particularly interesting character and I think
sequels could just as well without him. It's not totally Wahlberg's fault,
as he wasn't given the material to work with.

I will say this in his favour though - one of the best aspects of the ending
(almost enough to make me forgive the fact that it makes no sense) was
Wahlberg's reaction. For the first time in the entire film, Leo genuinely
looked surprised and terrified. The image of him standing there with his
hands up, terrified, in front of the police apes was really well done.

Now the directors - I was disappointed in Tim Burton, as I honestly expected
a more interesting film with him in charge. Of all the directors previously
linked to the project, the new film was probably better than James Cameron
would have done (is it just me who thinks that a PotA film by Cameron would
be a pile of utter mince?) but not as interesting as Oliver Stone may have
come up with.

I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA remake.
Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
(e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe: Pig
in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for the
action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> It's the only APES movie I completely love and all I really need. As

for

> any of the rest of you that feel you need more -- I pity you.

That's a bit harsh, isn't it?

> You know I
> just remembered something that I've been wanting to ask everyone. If

there

> was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and

nothing

> else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans?

Who knows, that's probably an unanswerable question - particularly in my
case. The original film was the third film of the series that I actually
saw, but is my favourite in the series. Make of that what you will, but it
certainly doesn't provide a clearcut answer to the question.

Alan

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:16 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day

Krueger, I'm not going to answer all your questions.  I've been thinking
about this, or how they could have made the new movie better, for nearly a
month now, and I'm sick of spanking the monkey.

I will say this. . . . Fox has a real challenge ahead if they decide to go
with a sequel (and presumably a franchise).  They know they have a film that
got mostly bad reviews and bad word of mouth, and pissed a lot of the fans
off.  The next film will HAVE to be better than the first film or else the
franchise is doomed.  They will first need a story and script that's more
serious about APES.  In that respect they can be glad Burton won't return
(and HE WON'T).  As you know, getting a good script is the hardest part.  Fox
will also want to do the film on a cheaper budget.  Since the first one was
made for $100 million, I'd bet they'll try for something between $50 and $70
mill.  They can't do anything good for anything less -- as I said, they have
a challenge ahead.  As for a director, they'll probably look for someone who
has simply shown he can handle these big productions, and whose last picture
made money.  They won't go for any 'vision' guy again.  I'll bet that Fox
will spend the next year and a half watching what other SF and fantasy films
do well, then nab the talent behind them to do the next APES picture.  I'll
also bet you that Fox will want the sequel to be 'different' from the first
one.  They know the public likes APES, and they've got their new look for the
APES -- though I'll bet in the next one we get NO Ari types -- but since the
next one will take place on another world, expect another 'take' on the whole
concept.

As for Wahlberg returning, I think you can forget that.  He'll be too big a
'star' in another two years, and since Burton won't be back, neither with
Wahlberg.  Don't even bother thinking about him, and that goes for the rest
of the cast.

However, I still think the chances are good Fox will decide it doesn't want
to do a further APES film at this time -- the bean counters at the studio,
the guys who really run the show, may decide the risks are too great.  I
think the chances of a sequel in the next two or three years are right now
only 50/50 at best.

I'm sure you'll all give me an argument about all this, but I'm older than
most of you and I've been into movies a lot more than most.  I've watched
these things before.  APES is a tough concept to handle.  Why do you think
this thing was in development hell for nearly a decade?  You think Fox is
going to just do a sequel in two years and have it be any good at all?!!!  
You're dreaming.  What the studios like best is to do movies with
'guaranties.'  They'll take their time to try and guaranty another hit APES
film.  This means it's a BIG MAYBE as to whether there's another or not.  All
we can do is wait and see.  I take this mostly negative view of things
because I think it's best to expect the worst from modern Hollywood.  I tried
hoping for the best with the new film, and I got worst than I expected.  
That's reality for you!

In the meantime, I'm just going to just watch the original from time to time.
 It's the only APES movie I completely love and all I really need.   As for
any of the rest of you that feel you need more -- I pity you.  You know I
just remembered something that I've been wanting to ask everyone.  If there
was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and nothing
else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans?   I know I would.  PLANET
would still be my all-time favorite film and I'd be a huge fan of it -- as I
am.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Nooo! My local store sells "SFX" but not their specials. I'm
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Mag as hell


> Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> > Okay, okay. . . now I need to look for Starlog, Cinefantastique and
> Empire.
> > Anything else, Jeff?
>
> Has anyone else mentioned the SFX Collectors' Edition yet? As well as
their
> regular monthly issues, they also publish occasional specials devoted to
one
> thing. Their latest one is an Apes special. While most of the coverage is
of
> the new film, it does cover the complete franchise (which is why I bought
> it) - the original films, the TV series, the cartoon, the comics, the
> merchandise... hell, they even manage to devote a couple of pages to Time
of
> the Apes!
>
> Total Film in the UK also had an issue with coverage mainly of the new
film
> but a couple of little bits about the classic Apes, including Apemania.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Good choice, Alan, and I think the "Mad Max" stuff might have been partly
inspired by "Apes". Yeah, I couldn't argue with that, he's one of my
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day


> Sequels?
>
> Well first things first, I don't believe Wahlberg would be as necessary as
> people think. Leo wasn't a particularly interesting character and I think
> sequels could just as well without him. It's not totally Wahlberg's fault,
> as he wasn't given the material to work with.
>
> I will say this in his favour though - one of the best aspects of the
ending
> (almost enough to make me forgive the fact that it makes no sense) was
> Wahlberg's reaction. For the first time in the entire film, Leo genuinely
> looked surprised and terrified. The image of him standing there with his
> hands up, terrified, in front of the police apes was really well done.
>
> Now the directors - I was disappointed in Tim Burton, as I honestly
expected
> a more interesting film with him in charge. Of all the directors
previously
> linked to the project, the new film was probably better than James Cameron
> would have done (is it just me who thinks that a PotA film by Cameron
would
> be a pile of utter mince?) but not as interesting as Oliver Stone may have
> come up with.
>
> I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA remake.
> Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
> That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
> (e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe: Pig
> in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for
the
> action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
> mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Before Rory brings it uo, the conclusion to this e-mail should be "one of
my faves", the conclusion to the last one is "I'm doomed!". Buffer,
- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day


> Good choice, Alan, and I think the "Mad Max" stuff might have been partly
> inspired by "Apes". Yeah, I couldn't argue with that, he's one of my
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day
>
>
> > Sequels?
> >
> > Well first things first, I don't believe Wahlberg would be as necessary
as
> > people think. Leo wasn't a particularly interesting character and I
think
> > sequels could just as well without him. It's not totally Wahlberg's
fault,
> > as he wasn't given the material to work with.
> >
> > I will say this in his favour though - one of the best aspects of the
> ending
> > (almost enough to make me forgive the fact that it makes no sense) was
> > Wahlberg's reaction. For the first time in the entire film, Leo
genuinely
> > looked surprised and terrified. The image of him standing there with his
> > hands up, terrified, in front of the police apes was really well done.
> >
> > Now the directors - I was disappointed in Tim Burton, as I honestly
> expected
> > a more interesting film with him in charge. Of all the directors
> previously
> > linked to the project, the new film was probably better than James
Cameron
> > would have done (is it just me who thinks that a PotA film by Cameron
> would
> > be a pile of utter mince?) but not as interesting as Oliver Stone may
have
> > come up with.
> >
> > I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA
remake.
> > Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
> > That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
> > (e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe:
Pig
> > in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for
> the
> > action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
> > mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Uhm, right.

-Joe

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>You know I
>just remembered something that I've been wanting to ask everyone. If there
>was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and nothing
>else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans? I know I would. PLANET
>would still be my all-time favorite film and I'd be a huge fan of it -- as I
>am.
>
>-- Rory

No, I would still like the movie but it wouldn't be the same. I love all
the original movies, the TV episodes, and to a lessor extent the cartoon
episodes. For me the POTA movie series as a whole is greater than
the sum of the individual movies. I see the movie series as an epic
saga with a story scale comparable to Asimov's Foundation series and
political satire comparable to Gulliver's Travels and Animal Farm.

The first movie is great but it's not my favorite. I know others have
different opinions, but "Battle" is my favorite Apes movie. If fact,
Battle for the Planet of the Apes is my favorite movie of all time. The
movie could have used a bigger budget but the budget was adequate to tell
the story. And the writing, as always, is what is most important. Battle
is loaded with cool stuff, but the biggest reason I like it is that I see
Battle as the climax and conclusion for both an epic story arc and for
the political satire that goes with it. I think a lot of people didn't
even understand what happened in the movie and therefore missed a lot of
the satire. This was partly due to cuts from the shooting script which
made key points more subtle than they were meant to be.

-Tom

In a message dated 08/25/2001 1:54:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< It's the only APES movie I completely love and all I really need. As
for

> any of the rest of you that feel you need more -- I pity you.

That's a bit harsh, isn't it? >>


Yeah, it is. Sorry about that. I let myself get into a foul mood.

-- Rory

In a message dated 08/25/2001 1:55:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA remake.
Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
(e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe: Pig
in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for the
action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.

Alan >>

This is good. George Miller. Let him come up with the story, too. But
after "Pig in the City" will they let him?

-- Rory

Tom, you've got to write a "Battle" article for "Ape Chronicles". I'm sure
you're aware that a lot of people look down on "Battle" (including Rory, I
pity him). I think it would be interesting to hear your views. Favorite
movie of all time? That's golden. I know there's many people for whom
"Battle" is a guilty pleasure and you could speak for them.


- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA story arc


> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.2
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:12:08 -0700
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
> >You know I
> >just remembered something that I've been wanting to ask everyone. If
there
> >was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and
nothing
> >else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans? I know I would.
PLANET
> >would still be my all-time favorite film and I'd be a huge fan of it --
as I
> >am.
> >
> >-- Rory
>
>
> No, I would still like the movie but it wouldn't be the same. I love all
> the original movies, the TV episodes, and to a lessor extent the cartoon
> episodes. For me the POTA movie series as a whole is greater than
> the sum of the individual movies. I see the movie series as an epic
> saga with a story scale comparable to Asimov's Foundation series and
> political satire comparable to Gulliver's Travels and Animal Farm.
>
> The first movie is great but it's not my favorite. I know others have
> different opinions, but "Battle" is my favorite Apes movie. If fact,
> Battle for the Planet of the Apes is my favorite movie of all time. The
> movie could have used a bigger budget but the budget was adequate to tell
> the story. And the writing, as always, is what is most important. Battle
> is loaded with cool stuff, but the biggest reason I like it is that I see
> Battle as the climax and conclusion for both an epic story arc and for
> the political satire that goes with it. I think a lot of people didn't
> even understand what happened in the movie and therefore missed a lot of
> the satire. This was partly due to cuts from the shooting script which
> made key points more subtle than they were meant to be.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>

Miller has been trying to get a new "Mad Max" film going, to no avail.
Considering all the recent movies that rip off "Max" ("Waterworld", "The
Postman", the new "Apes") that's surprising. One thing that might stump a
new director is feeling they have to compete with Burton's visuals. But
Burton left it in another world that looks pretty ordinary so a new director
could make it his/her own. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day


> In a message dated 08/25/2001 1:55:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alan@... writes:
>
> << I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA
remake.
> Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
> That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
> (e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe:
Pig
> in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for
the
> action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
> mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.
>
> Alan >>
>
> This is good. George Miller. Let him come up with the story, too. But
> after "Pig in the City" will they let him?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Just saw a review on a (would you believe) religious show this morning.

Strangely enough, they did a very accurate review. "Not enough action for
an action movie". "Weak script". "Too silly and hard to believe". "More
Mars Attacks than Beetlejuice".

One reviewer gave 2 stars, the other 2 1/2 (out of 5).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 3:23
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies 2001
| Biggest...

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

> 6. When Leo comes up from the pool he says 3 dead monkeys, but there were
> only 2. Oh well, he didn't have goggles on.

Are you sure about that? I thought he said two. Maybe if there's a third
it's due to some bizarre time-warping subplot that was cut out, and would
have explained the ending.

Then again...

Alan

We (we being me and LocutusAtWolf359 [Loc, whatever]) were thinking
of having a PotA chat tonight (it's Saturday, August 25th, just so
you know) in 'Arts and Entertainment - Planet of the Apes'. Sorry, I
guess this is for AOL users only. It'll start at 10PM Central time,
and go until whenever everybody falls asleep.

If you don't know how to get in, you can either Instant Message
CheeseGOTAS (ME!) or LocutusAtWolf359 and ask us to give you the
link. An alternate way, and easier, I think, is to just locate one
of us online by going to 'PEOPLE' then 'LOCATE AOL MEMBER ONLINE" (Or
just hit CTRL+L when you are in the AOL screen). Then a box will pop
up and you should type in either Loc's or my name and it'll tell you
that we are in the chat. Then click 'Go Chat!' or whatever it is.

Yeah, we'll be talking about PotA and other sci-fi stuff. It'll be a
pretty cool deal, and if you don't show up, I'll cry.

-Joe.

Oh, I forgot to mention that I'm usually in that chat a lot of the
time, so anytime you want to talk, just step on into that chatroom.
I might be there.

-Joe.

.html  I answered yor question, Rory Monteith, and you didn't answer mine! So I'll answer the question for you. You'd want Joel Schumacher to do the next "Apes". Yeah, that's right! You feel he's the only one to follow Tim Burton. That's the ticket!                                                                            - - - - Jeff K.

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to the 'Planet of the Apes Email Smackdown'! Let's get ready to rrrrrrrumble.....

.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:41 AM

Subject: [pota] KISS and TELL

I was a bit shocked that Eric is Wearing Peter's get-up.  You would think they could've come up with another cat-make-up for Eric without it looking like Pete.  Oh well.

 

 

Yeah, although Kiss returned in the '90s for me it was never really the same. My fandom started in 1974 and ended in 1979 with 'DYNASTY' after that it was never the same again. Detriot Rock City, Love Gun, God of Thunder, Shout it out Loud, Dr. Love just to name a few were never matched since. 1980 was a day year with the release of 'KISS UNMASKED' what a piece of crap that was. KISS was never the same again. :o(

 

Best,

Al 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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"Hard to believe" huh? Is it possible they're biased? Did anyone give it
two crosses up? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:23 PM
Subject: [pota] Review


> Just saw a review on a (would you believe) religious show this morning.
>
> Strangely enough, they did a very accurate review. "Not enough action for
> an action movie". "Weak script". "Too silly and hard to believe". "More
> Mars Attacks than Beetlejuice".
>
> One reviewer gave 2 stars, the other 2 1/2 (out of 5).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 3:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies
2001
> | Biggest...
>
> <LordTZer0@...> wrote:
> > 6. When Leo comes up from the pool he says 3 dead monkeys, but there
were
> > only 2. Oh well, he didn't have goggles on.
>
> Are you sure about that? I thought he said two. Maybe if there's a third
> it's due to some bizarre time-warping subplot that was cut out, and would
> have explained the ending.
>
> Then again...
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html If there was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and nothing else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans?   I know I would.  PLANET would still be my all-time favorite film and I'd be a huge fan of it -- as I am.

-- Rory
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--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:

> Hey Gang,
>
> Did anyonme save any of the images of Roddy posing with General Ursus
> from the 30th Anniversary party back in '98?
>
> I remember seeing alot of really cool UPI shots on all the internet
> after he passed away.
>
> Just wondering if anyone grabbed them.
>
> Lemmee know,
>
> Brian

Like this one ???

Alan,

George Miller would be my pick too (and he's an Aussie!).

I thought the world he created in Mad Max 2 was very convincing and the
action was superb. It certainly was another sci-fi world, wasn't it. And
as Ken Taylor said, if not for the 2 Star Wars sequels being filmed at Fox
Studios Australia, POTA would have been done here. And the cocaine in
Australia is not nearly as good as the gear they gave Tim Burton in
Hollywood - so the film might have been better!!).

My vote is George Miller to direct at Fox Studios Australia and for us to
finally see what the rest of the Planet of the Apes looks like (at last).
Let's go with better ape technology too and a great script closer to Monkey
Planet. And lots of gripping, believable twists.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 3:33
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day

Sequels?

Well first things first, I don't believe Wahlberg would be as necessary as
people think. Leo wasn't a particularly interesting character and I think
sequels could just as well without him. It's not totally Wahlberg's fault,
as he wasn't given the material to work with.

I will say this in his favour though - one of the best aspects of the ending
(almost enough to make me forgive the fact that it makes no sense) was
Wahlberg's reaction. For the first time in the entire film, Leo genuinely
looked surprised and terrified. The image of him standing there with his
hands up, terrified, in front of the police apes was really well done.

Now the directors - I was disappointed in Tim Burton, as I honestly expected
a more interesting film with him in charge. Of all the directors previously
linked to the project, the new film was probably better than James Cameron
would have done (is it just me who thinks that a PotA film by Cameron would
be a pile of utter mince?) but not as interesting as Oliver Stone may have
come up with.

I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA remake.
Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
(e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe: Pig
in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for the
action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.

Alan

You didn't like Babe 2? Rory, Rory, Rory......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 6:35
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day

In a message dated 08/25/2001 1:55:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA
remake.
Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
(e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe: Pig
in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for
the
action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.

Alan >>

This is good. George Miller. Let him come up with the story, too. But
after "Pig in the City" will they let him?

-- Rory

Maybe they think no Mel, no Mad Max.......

If Mel would agree to it, it would be simply a question of when.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 6:44
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day

Miller has been trying to get a new "Mad Max" film going, to no avail.
Considering all the recent movies that rip off "Max" ("Waterworld", "The
Postman", the new "Apes") that's surprising. One thing that might stump a
new director is feeling they have to compete with Burton's visuals. But
Burton left it in another world that looks pretty ordinary so a new director
could make it his/her own. - - - Jeff