> You didn't like Babe 2? Rory, Rory, Rory......
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 6:35
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day
>
> In a message dated 08/25/2001 1:55:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alan@... writes:
>
> << I only had three people in mind as suitable directors for the PotA
> remake.
> Burton has had his shot. We'll assume Gilliam is ruled out as Jeff said.
> That leaves one - George Miller. He obviously doesn't mind doing sequels
> (e.g Mad Max series), not even to other director's movies (e.g. "Babe: Pig
> in the City", I think he only produced the first one). He'd be great for
> the
> action scenes, but at the same time he would bring a real otherworldly,
> mythic quality to it - like Burton should have.
>
> Alan >>
>
> This is good. George Miller. Let him come up with the story, too. But
> after "Pig in the City" will they let him?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:23 PM
Subject: [pota] Review


> Just saw a review on a (would you believe) religious show this morning.
>
> Strangely enough, they did a very accurate review. "Not enough action for
> an action movie". "Weak script". "Too silly and hard to believe". "More
> Mars Attacks than Beetlejuice".
>
> One reviewer gave 2 stars, the other 2 1/2 (out of 5).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 3:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Check out Entertainment Weekly -- Summer Movies
2001
> | Biggest...
>
> <LordTZer0@...> wrote:
> > 6. When Leo comes up from the pool he says 3 dead monkeys, but there
were
> > only 2. Oh well, he didn't have goggles on.
>
> Are you sure about that? I thought he said two. Maybe if there's a third
> it's due to some bizarre time-warping subplot that was cut out, and would
> have explained the ending.
>
> Then again...
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> You didn't like Babe 2? Rory, Rory, Rory......
>
> Michael

> Tom, you've got to write a "Battle" article for "Ape Chronicles". I'm sure
>you're aware that a lot of people look down on "Battle" (including Rory, I
>pity him). I think it would be interesting to hear your views. Favorite
>movie of all time? That's golden. I know there's many people for whom
>"Battle" is a guilty pleasure and you could speak for them.
>
>
>- - - Jeff

> Tom, you've got to write a "Battle" article for "Ape Chronicles". I'm

> you're aware that a lot of people look down on "Battle" (including Rory, I
> pity him).

> Nooo! My local store sells "SFX" but not their specials. I'm
> - - - Jeff

> Then I saw a few of the movies. The LAST I saw was Planet, so I was just
> confused about the significance of the Statue of Liberty (tragic!!!!).

> No but they did get a Biblical reference I missed (ie Leo is Jesus).
>
> Leo is a name used to refer to Christ throughout the Bible and JC is also
> Son of David (Davidson).

> Did anyone like it?!

> Did anyone like it?!

> No but they did get a Biblical reference I missed (ie Leo is Jesus).
>
> Leo is a name used to refer to Christ throughout the Bible and JC is also
> Son of David (Davidson).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: [pota] Don't F**k with Animal Farm


> I'd like to see George Orwell's Animal Farm ala Babe.....that would be
cool.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 10:12
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Don't F**k with the Pig.....
>
> "Ken Taylor" <kentaylor@...> wrote:
> > Did anyone like it?!
>
> I think a lot of people liked it. The reason it flopped is because a film
> like this has to be aimed at kids primarily, but Babe 2 was too dark and,
to
> be honest, slightly weird for little kids. But it also demonstrated
exactly
> why I'd like Miller on PotA. He can create a distinct, slightly
off-balance
> vision (like Burton in this respect), he does great action sequences, and
at
> the same time he really knows how to tell a story. The latter is Burton's
> weak spot and probably one of the main problems with the PotA remake.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: [pota] Spoiler - That Ending


> Yeah that would have been funny - nail Marky to a tree before the fans
> do!!!!
>
> Speaking of the ending, do you think Washington was already there and
Abe's
> head was lobbed off then replaced with Thade's? If so, Thade must have
> arrived after 1880 so there was not a lot of time to get the revolution
and
> evolution happening. The alternative is that the apes just by coincidence
> chose to build Washington and the Thade Statue - which is even harder to
> believe....
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 10:14
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Review
>
> "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
> > No but they did get a Biblical reference I missed (ie Leo is Jesus).
> >
> > Leo is a name used to refer to Christ throughout the Bible and JC is
also
> > Son of David (Davidson).
>
> Believe it or not, that's where I thought they were heading as I watched!
I
> knew their was a twist ending, and when I heard Ari's line about how in
2000
> years people would tell stories of a man from the stars, etc., I thought
to
> myself "my God, the twist ending... he's going to be Jesus!"
>
> I'm not sure if that would have made more or less sense than the actual
> ending!
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:43 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA story arc

In a message dated 8/25/01 4:37:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 Tom, you've got to write a "Battle" article for "Ape Chronicles". I'm sure
you're aware that a lot of people look down on "Battle" (including Rory, I
pity him). I think it would be interesting to hear your views. Favorite
movie of all time? That's golden. I know there's many people for whom
"Battle" is a guilty pleasure and you could speak for them.

                                                                           
- - - Jeff

Forget about "Ape Chronicles," Tom.   Just write something here.  If you
write it for "Ape Chronicles" no one will ever see it.  When was the last
time there was an issue, Jeff?   Terry?    I'm only bringing this up because
maybe it'll light a fire under somebody's ass.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA story arc


> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.2
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:12:08 -0700
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>
> >You know I
> >just remembered something that I've been wanting to ask everyone. If
there
> >was only the original film -- if there had never been a BENEATH and
nothing
> >else afterward -- would you all still be APES fans? I know I would.
PLANET
> >would still be my all-time favorite film and I'd be a huge fan of it --
as I
> >am.
> >
> >-- Rory
>
>
> No, I would still like the movie but it wouldn't be the same. I love all
> the original movies, the TV episodes, and to a lessor extent the cartoon
> episodes. For me the POTA movie series as a whole is greater than
> the sum of the individual movies. I see the movie series as an epic
> saga with a story scale comparable to Asimov's Foundation series and
> political satire comparable to Gulliver's Travels and Animal Farm.
>
> The first movie is great but it's not my favorite. I know others have
> different opinions, but "Battle" is my favorite Apes movie. If fact,
> Battle for the Planet of the Apes is my favorite movie of all time. The
> movie could have used a bigger budget but the budget was adequate to tell
> the story. And the writing, as always, is what is most important. Battle
> is loaded with cool stuff, but the biggest reason I like it is that I see
> Battle as the climax and conclusion for both an epic story arc and for
> the political satire that goes with it. I think a lot of people didn't
> even understand what happened in the movie and therefore missed a lot of
> the satire. This was partly due to cuts from the shooting script which
> made key points more subtle than they were meant to be.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

<<In the meantime, I wonder if anyone here has ever seen the
movie "Planet of
the Vampires"? >>

No, I haven't seen it, but it's currently listed with a 5.2/10 at
IMDB. I usually don't go along with the people at IMDB, though. I
mean, the Apes films there only have between 4-7/10. Maybe 'Planet
of the Vampires' will turn out to be good, eh?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:45 AM
Subject: RE: [pota] Question of the Day


> Did Miller do Thunderdome (worst movie ever - or close!)?
>
> If so, don't let him near Apes 3
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 15:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day
>
> << Of all the directors previously linked to the project, the new film
was
> probably better than James Cameron would have done (is it just me who
thinks
> that a PotA film by Cameron would be a pile of utter mince?) but not as
> interesting as Oliver Stone may have come up with. >>
>
>
> I agree on the James Cameron, though the down beat feel of his films would
> be
> in keeping with the originals. I also agree on the George Miller call.
But
> I thought Thunder Dome was a bit off. I don't know about the Oliver Stone
> thingy. He have had Thade getting Attar to bump off his father, and then
> Ari's father and taking over the senate. Then during the battle scene
Thade
> would go after Attar and begin fragging his own troops.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:45 AM
Subject: RE: [pota] Question of the Day


> Did Miller do Thunderdome (worst movie ever - or close!)?
>
> If so, don't let him near Apes 3
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 15:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day
>
> << Of all the directors previously linked to the project, the new film
was
> probably better than James Cameron would have done (is it just me who
thinks
> that a PotA film by Cameron would be a pile of utter mince?) but not as
> interesting as Oliver Stone may have come up with. >>
>
>
> I agree on the James Cameron, though the down beat feel of his films would
> be
> in keeping with the originals. I also agree on the George Miller call.
But
> I thought Thunder Dome was a bit off. I don't know about the Oliver Stone
> thingy. He have had Thade getting Attar to bump off his father, and then
> Ari's father and taking over the senate. Then during the battle scene
Thade
> would go after Attar and begin fragging his own troops.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:54 AM
Subject: [pota] POTA story arc


> I think it actually needs to run about 2:50 - can you do that?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 17:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA story arc
>
> In a message dated 8/25/01 6:39:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << Joe Russo has me almost convinced BENEATH is not as bad as I've always
> thought, so who knows? >>
>
> The new movie isn''t as bad as you think.
> I tell ya... I'm going to re-edit it down to 1:50 - 1:40 and cut out all
the
> crap.
> Then it will play like a dream. I will be writing a script for the next
one
> and the one after that. They probably won't touch it, but I certainly
> couldn't do any worse than they did.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> That which I shan't mention was #10 at the box office this weekend

> million.
>
> I post this just for those who wish to know.
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:05 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: The unmentionable grosses


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > That which I shan't mention was #10 at the box office this weekend
> with $3.5
> > million.
> >
> > I post this just for those who wish to know.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> Atleast it's number 1 in the UK. Heh.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> That which I shan't mention was #10 at the box office this weekend
with $3.5
> million.
>
> I post this just for those who wish to know.
>
> -- Rory

Atleast it's number 1 in the UK. Heh.

-Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: The unmentionable grosses


> Good! We need to get those overseas numbers up. Right, Mr. Zanuck?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:05 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: The unmentionable grosses
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > That which I shan't mention was #10 at the box office this weekend
> > with $3.5
> > > million.
> > >
> > > I post this just for those who wish to know.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> > Atleast it's number 1 in the UK. Heh.
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
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>

----- Original Message -----
From: <happyfortune@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: [pota] French audio tracks


> Hi!
>
> I spent a few hours this weekend watching the "Conquest" DVD in
> French. It interesting to watch with the subtitles on. Very chic-
> chic, eh? The final scene is quite moving!
>
> What's the story with these tracks? Are they from the original
> Euro/French release or are they newly recorded for the region 1
> Quebec French?
>
> Best Wishes!
> J.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>I agree with Jeff, Tom, please explain further what it is in BATTLE that you
>think is so great and misunderstood. I find this the one sequel I really
>can't stand to watch. It seems to me so shoddy and silly, but I'd love to
>hear someone defend it. Eric Greene did a good job of trying to elevate it,
>but it'll be interesting to read your take.
>
>Joe Russo has me almost convinced BENEATH is not as bad as I've always
>thought, so who knows?
>
>-- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Attention Kim Hunter Fans


>
> Still hangin' in the Top 10 (only just) after five weeks with another
> $3,530,000 for a domestic gross total of...$167,786,033.00. Not too
shabby.
> It'll probably make 175 mil. But even 185 may be optimistic. Still a bit
> short of guaranteed sequel territory.
> Rory should be pleased.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: [pota] Why?


>
>
> I was just wondering...
>
> Why is Lisa Marie's Nova listed in the credits on the IMDB as Senator
Nado's
> daughter? A. she's a chipette and he's an orangutan, and B. when Leo &
co.
> run through they're about to get down to some hot monkey love. Maybe it's
> just what all politicians call their bit on the side. And speaking of
her...
>
> Why does every one complain about Ari's makeup when Nova's lower teeth are
so
> big she can't talk! "Nothing but treef and rockf."...And Ari's friend,
Leeta
> I think her name is, is the worst of all! Ari looks like Zira compared to
> her.
>
> Why is the gorilla kid and Thade's niece played by a midget named Deep
Roy?
> And how did he get that name? Not expecting any answers...just wondering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Attention Kim Hunter Fans


> In a message dated 8/27/01 6:23:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << Not pleased. I'd be pleased if it was better and making a lot more.
I'm
> just not optimistic about a sequel. >>
>
> I just not optimistic there'll be one.
> But it's hard to believe that Fox is so egregious as to say...
>
> "Hey, we tossed off a piece of Ape shit for you guys, eh. And now you
want
> us to spend some of that money on a sequel for ya? Where's our other 30
> million, huh? You take the crap we give you and like it!"
>
> Well...it's not that reallyhard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Question of the Day


> << Did Miller do Thunderdome (worst movie ever - or close!)?
>
> If so, don't let him near Apes 3 >>
>
>
> I'm afraid so...
> He co-directed it with George Ogilvie,
> & he al so co-wrote it with Terry Hayes.
> I'm glad they didn't make Hayes' Apes script.
> I've got a copy and it stinks! The one Sam Hamm
> did was way better than that stinkburger! By far! It stunk on ice!
> Come to think of it, Hamm's might have even been better than the one they
did.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Endings - "A.I." Spoiler*

In a message dated 8/27/01 2:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

 Today's L.A. Times has an article on the power of endings and how two of
this summer's anticipated sci-fi flicks dropped the ball with audiences. Of
the original POTA, it says the ending made the film, because it was "far
from a perfect film; some of the writing was crass and preachy, and the ape
makeup, though fun, was hardly the height of technical sophistication".
That's the down part of all this "Apes" attention: articles by people who
don't know what they're talking about and don't bother to research. "Apes"
WAS the height of technical sophistication back then. That's why John
Chambers was voted an Oscar before they were annual. Probably THE most
annoying comment I've heard this summer is "Oh, the new makeup is so much
better than the original". Yeah? Well it's almost 35 years later. The
novelty of the new makeup will wear off in 35 years and then where will the
movie be?  

Yes, I've noticed this too.  People (and often it's people in their twenties
or early thirties who get jobs as critics) don't know what they're talking
about.  The makeup amazed people back in '68, and the ending was just the
icing on the cake.  Richard Schickel, who in '68 gave PLANET as positive
review in LIFE magazine, gave on of the best reviews for the new film in TIME
(or was it Newsweek?  One of those.)   He said that the huga advantage the
original has is that 1968 it was all new.  It's just won't ever be that
again.  That's why the new film really had to be good, but.....  :(

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: [pota] Why?


>
>
> I was just wondering...
>
> Why is Lisa Marie's Nova listed in the credits on the IMDB as Senator
Nado's
> daughter? A. she's a chipette and he's an orangutan, and B. when Leo &
co.
> run through they're about to get down to some hot monkey love. Maybe it's
> just what all politicians call their bit on the side. And speaking of
her...
>
> Why does every one complain about Ari's makeup when Nova's lower teeth are
so
> big she can't talk! "Nothing but treef and rockf."...And Ari's friend,
Leeta
> I think her name is, is the worst of all! Ari looks like Zira compared to
> her.
>
> Why is the gorilla kid and Thade's niece played by a midget named Deep
Roy?
> And how did he get that name? Not expecting any answers...just wondering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: [pota] Endings


> Jeff,
>
> I seem to recall seeing Kubrick quoted as saying: "Don't give the audience
> what they want, make the audience want what you give them". And how true
is
> that? I'm sure much of the audience who saw "A Clockwork Orange" did not
> particularly LIKE the movie, but it certainly did its fair share of box
> office takings and gave the audience something to ponder.
>
> Sadly Hollywood is attempting to follow a recipe to get the most takings
for
> nearly all movies. When was the last time anyone saw a movie released
with
> an "R" rating? But has anyone noticed - the recipe is NOT guaranteeing
high
> takings!!! The best examples of this are all around. How about Titanic?
> Cameron made that one secretly thinking "This is gonna flop, but who
really
> cares?". Oh well enough said.
>
> About your comment "You can't blame Tim", well sorry Jeff but I do. If
> anyone could have stood up to those idiots it would have been Tim. He is
an
> established, acclaimed Director who could have simply said "No, we do it
> like this. Oh, I see the release date is set.....so we won't have time to
> re-shoot and we will have to do it my way." Tim, hang your head in shame.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 4:16
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Endings - "A.I." Spoiler*
>
> Today's L.A. Times has an article on the power of endings and how two of
> this summer's anticipated sci-fi flicks dropped the ball with audiences.
Of
> the original POTA, it says the ending made the film, because it was "far
> from a perfect film; some of the writing was crass and preachy, and the
ape
> makeup, though fun, was hardly the height of technical sophistication".
> That's the down part of all this "Apes" attention: articles by people who
> don't know what they're talking about and don't bother to research. "Apes"
> WAS the height of technical sophistication back then. That's why John
> Chambers was voted an Oscar before they were annual. Probably THE most
> annoying comment I've heard this summer is "Oh, the new makeup is so much
> better than the original". Yeah? Well it's almost 35 years later. The
> novelty of the new makeup will wear off in 35 years and then where will
the
> movie be? Anyway, the article says , "People hated the (new) ending, and
> that meant - despite all the artistry that went into the makeup and the
> special FX - they walked out hating the movie". All I will say to that is
at
> least the ending shook things up a bit. I think many in the audience want
a
> pat ending and that's why movies suck, the market research. I forget who
> said it but I like the comment, "Don't give the audience what they want,
> make the audience want what you give them". Burton failed that and the
> ending seems tacked on.
>
> - - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: [pota] Research


> Speaking of recearch, the POTA Chronicles is a well researched piece!!!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 4:16
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Endings - "A.I." Spoiler*
>
> Today's L.A. Times has an article on the power of endings and how two of
> this summer's anticipated sci-fi flicks dropped the ball with audiences.
Of
> the original POTA, it says the ending made the film, because it was "far
> from a perfect film; some of the writing was crass and preachy, and the
ape
> makeup, though fun, was hardly the height of technical sophistication".
> That's the down part of all this "Apes" attention: articles by people who
> don't know what they're talking about and don't bother to research. "Apes"
> WAS the height of technical sophistication back then. That's why John
> Chambers was voted an Oscar before they were annual. Probably THE most
> annoying comment I've heard this summer is "Oh, the new makeup is so much
> better than the original". Yeah? Well it's almost 35 years later. The
> novelty of the new makeup will wear off in 35 years and then where will
the
> movie be? Anyway, the article says , "People hated the (new) ending, and
> that meant - despite all the artistry that went into the makeup and the
> special FX - they walked out hating the movie". All I will say to that is
at
> least the ending shook things up a bit. I think many in the audience want
a
> pat ending and that's why movies suck, the market research. I forget who
> said it but I like the comment, "Don't give the audience what they want,
> make the audience want what you give them". Burton failed that and the
> ending seems tacked on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: [pota] Research


> Speaking of recearch, the POTA Chronicles is a well researched piece!!!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 4:16
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Endings - "A.I." Spoiler*
>
> Today's L.A. Times has an article on the power of endings and how two of
> this summer's anticipated sci-fi flicks dropped the ball with audiences.
Of
> the original POTA, it says the ending made the film, because it was "far
> from a perfect film; some of the writing was crass and preachy, and the
ape
> makeup, though fun, was hardly the height of technical sophistication".
> That's the down part of all this "Apes" attention: articles by people who
> don't know what they're talking about and don't bother to research. "Apes"
> WAS the height of technical sophistication back then. That's why John
> Chambers was voted an Oscar before they were annual. Probably THE most
> annoying comment I've heard this summer is "Oh, the new makeup is so much
> better than the original". Yeah? Well it's almost 35 years later. The
> novelty of the new makeup will wear off in 35 years and then where will
the
> movie be? Anyway, the article says , "People hated the (new) ending, and
> that meant - despite all the artistry that went into the makeup and the
> special FX - they walked out hating the movie". All I will say to that is
at
> least the ending shook things up a bit. I think many in the audience want
a
> pat ending and that's why movies suck, the market research. I forget who
> said it but I like the comment, "Don't give the audience what they want,
> make the audience want what you give them". Burton failed that and the
> ending seems tacked on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: [pota] Endings


> Jeff,
>
> I seem to recall seeing Kubrick quoted as saying: "Don't give the audience
> what they want, make the audience want what you give them". And how true
is
> that? I'm sure much of the audience who saw "A Clockwork Orange" did not
> particularly LIKE the movie, but it certainly did its fair share of box
> office takings and gave the audience something to ponder.
>
> Sadly Hollywood is attempting to follow a recipe to get the most takings
for
> nearly all movies. When was the last time anyone saw a movie released
with
> an "R" rating? But has anyone noticed - the recipe is NOT guaranteeing
high
> takings!!! The best examples of this are all around. How about Titanic?
> Cameron made that one secretly thinking "This is gonna flop, but who
really
> cares?". Oh well enough said.
>
> About your comment "You can't blame Tim", well sorry Jeff but I do. If
> anyone could have stood up to those idiots it would have been Tim. He is
an
> established, acclaimed Director who could have simply said "No, we do it
> like this. Oh, I see the release date is set.....so we won't have time to
> re-shoot and we will have to do it my way." Tim, hang your head in shame.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 4:16
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Endings - "A.I." Spoiler*
>
> Today's L.A. Times has an article on the power of endings and how two of
> this summer's anticipated sci-fi flicks dropped the ball with audiences.
Of
> the original POTA, it says the ending made the film, because it was "far
> from a perfect film; some of the writing was crass and preachy, and the
ape
> makeup, though fun, was hardly the height of technical sophistication".
> That's the down part of all this "Apes" attention: articles by people who
> don't know what they're talking about and don't bother to research. "Apes"
> WAS the height of technical sophistication back then. That's why John
> Chambers was voted an Oscar before they were annual. Probably THE most
> annoying comment I've heard this summer is "Oh, the new makeup is so much
> better than the original". Yeah? Well it's almost 35 years later. The
> novelty of the new makeup will wear off in 35 years and then where will
the
> movie be? Anyway, the article says , "People hated the (new) ending, and
> that meant - despite all the artistry that went into the makeup and the
> special FX - they walked out hating the movie". All I will say to that is
at
> least the ending shook things up a bit. I think many in the audience want
a
> pat ending and that's why movies suck, the market research. I forget who
> said it but I like the comment, "Don't give the audience what they want,
> make the audience want what you give them". Burton failed that and the
> ending seems tacked on.
>
> - - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 4:30 AM

Subject: [pota] Ooops!

Sorry, that last link won't get you there.  You'll have to click on "2001,"
then on "July 2001," then on "July 27th," then on "Planet of the Apes."  
Anyway, it's worth it.  The review is a good one.

-- Rory

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