.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 4:59:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

Hello,

I would like to nominate the original 1968 version of PLANET OF THE APES for the National Film Registry, as I believe the film was very reflective of the American social and political climate of the time. What sets this film apart from others is that the political/social allegories are worked into the film rather than forced upon the viewer. You have to think about what you're seeing, and often the subtext becomes more apparent upon repeated viewings. I believe these elements make PLANET OF THE APES "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" as your website states.

I fully support any efforts that preserve American film heritage, and I thank you for your time and consideration.


Sincerely,

Everyone here should just copy the above and send it out to:

 sleg@...

It's about time PLANET OF THE APES (1968) was on the National Film Registry.

Thanks Chris.

The address of the NFR website is:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/film/vote.html

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 5:33:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Yeah, and we're talking sci-fi (OK, I know we may be actually talking modern westerns but I include them in the sci-fi category) and I can bet all POTA fans are sci-fi fans.

Michael



Some fans it seems are better than others, or am I being ridiculous?

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 5:59:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< At least now they have plenty of time to think about a good sequel and
plenty of time to make it without being rushed.  >>
What was the rush this time?
Please explain WTF you're talking about, Al?
Did it have to get made before the war started?
I don't think they had any inside info there.
They had thirty years to thik about this one.
Seriously for the last ten years and then once they
get the greenlight the pushed for a summer '01 release!
Now, what make you think they won't do the same thing?
They'll drag their feet scratching their heads and then rush it again!

Well, I think you have to understand how crazy the studios are.  Once a top executive 'greenlights' something, they set a release date.  I think the idea is that they need to get the product out fast, and prove their worth, or they'll get replaced.  The top offices at studios are very much revolving doors.

It's just another one of the things that make most Hollywood movies 'junk food for the eyes and ears.'

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 6:16:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Great movies are accidents.

                                                                

Boy, is that true!   Here's a quote from the Jan. 2001 issue of "Video Watchdog" when they reviewed the POTA DVDs:

"An unlikely but much needed hit for the ailing 20th Century-Fox studios, PLANET OF THE APES marks a rare moment in which all the necessary elements came into alignment."


-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 6:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Someone said 2003 for the sequel. Again, that's a tight schedule. However,
I would grit my teeth and say it would be cool if they could make that, the
40th Anniversary of the book. Especially if they take their cue from the
film's ending and do a modern society. If it weren't for that I would say
don't even try, make it 2004.

                                                                         -
- - Jeff

Well, if they're going to try for 2003, they'll have to announce within the next six months.  Maybe they're waiting to see how it does on Video and DVD.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 7:09:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Even Fox can figure that out. >>

I dunno Jeff.
I'd sure like to agree with you.
But Fox has proved time and again they are no brain-trust.
I'm sure there are some smart people there, and they may listen to them.
But then they go ahead and do whatever stupid thing the were going to do.
The new box is all the proof you need!

I just saw the new Fox movie "Don't Say a Word."  Slick, but not too deep.  Seems to be the pattern at Fox these days.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 7:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I gotta say I really liked A.I.

Maybe I am going soft but I thought it was brilliant.  There was a very
obvious Kubrick influence and it was a very Spielberg movie too.  Lots of
people were reduced to tears.

It was chilling to see the 2 World Trade Centre buildings.  Amazing, but
just like lady liberty in POTA, there is an assumption that such structures
will always be there.

I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Michael

Well, I still think the whole middle section of this movie failed, but I'll watch it again when it comes to DVD.  Will I ever think it's brilliant?  I don't think so.  I don't even think "Close Encounters" and "E.T." are brilliant, and I don't think Kubrick's last three movies were brilliant either.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 8:27:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prophecysite@... writes:

But here's a bit of good news for us waiting for the official DVD.

This is really going to be great.
Enjoy.

http://www.coronaproductions.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000577.html"

Best.
Al



Oh My God!!!   That press release is dated September 11th!!!   Do you think it could mean anything?

-- Rory

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I'd like to see "A.I." again. I kinda dismissed it the first time I saw
but it kinda stayed with me. A lot of people get confused by those
characters in the end.

- -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: [pota] A.I


> I gotta say I really liked A.I.
>
> Maybe I am going soft but I thought it was brilliant. There was a very
> obvious Kubrick influence and it was a very Spielberg movie too. Lots of
> people were reduced to tears.
>
> It was chilling to see the 2 World Trade Centre buildings. Amazing, but
> just like lady liberty in POTA, there is an assumption that such
structures
> will always be there.
>
> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 8:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Check out WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of
> Sep 29 2001
>
> From what I understand, they were going to release Spielberg's "Minority
> Report" as their big movie for 2001. At the last minute, Spielberg decided
> to do "A.I." for Warners first, which left a hole in Fox's schedule. They
> bumped up "Apes", announcing at ShoWest 2000 "Apes" would come out in
2001.
> They didn't even have a script. Schedules rule the planet.
>
> Someone said 2003 for the sequel. Again, that's a tight schedule.
However,
> I would grit my teeth and say it would be cool if they could make that,
the
> 40th Anniversary of the book. Especially if they take their cue from the
> film's ending and do a modern society. If it weren't for that I would say
> don't even try, make it 2004.
>
>
-
> - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Check out WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of
> Sep 29 2001
>
>
> >
> > << At least now they have plenty of time to think about a good sequel
and
> > plenty of time to make it without being rushed. >>
> > What was the rush this time?
> > Please explain WTF you're talking about, Al?
> > Did it have to get made before the war started?
> > I don't think they had any inside info there.
> > They had thirty years to thik about this one.
> > Seriously for the last ten years and then once they
> > get the greenlight the pushed for a summer '01 release!
> > Now, what make you think they won't do the same thing?
> > They'll drag their feet scratching their heads and then rush it again!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:11 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Aldo in CONQUEST

In a message dated 9/30/01 4:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

Is that the same chronology that (for BENEATH) they used a still from BATTLE showing Kolp and Alma with the Alpha-Omega bomb? The same scene that isn't even in the U.S. version of BATTLE? This has gotta be the same person who put the Statue of Liberty ending on the cover of PLANET.

Morons!


Chris L.

The people working at Fox Video just aren't knowledgeable APES' fans.  Twenty-three years ago I should have moved to California and tried to get a job with them, but I had no idea then that APES was in the kind of hands it's in.  At least the Aussies had Ken "Taylor!" (as if Nova were saying it).  As for the Statue of Liberty on the PLANET cover, I've talked about this before, but I was just thinking the other day that we really should blame the Fox of 1969-70.  I think it was a mistake to start BENEATH with the ending of PLANET.  That classic final image should only be seen at the end of the original.  But then, I don't think anyone had an idea PLANET was a classic back then; it was just one of Fox's bigger hits.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] A.I

In a message dated 9/30/01 7:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I gotta say I really liked A.I.

Maybe I am going soft but I thought it was brilliant.  There was a very
obvious Kubrick influence and it was a very Spielberg movie too.  Lots of
people were reduced to tears.

It was chilling to see the 2 World Trade Centre buildings.  Amazing, but
just like lady liberty in POTA, there is an assumption that such structures
will always be there.

I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Michael

Well, I still think the whole middle section of this movie failed, but I'll watch it again when it comes to DVD.  Will I ever think it's brilliant?  I don't think so.  I don't even think "Close Encounters" and "E.T." are brilliant, and I don't think Kubrick's last three movies were brilliant either.

-- Rory

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<< You know how they have the dots at top roght to change reels? Well, maybe
there should be two dots in the top right hand corner for scenes that are
not necessary so we know to rush out. >>

I think you're on to something! Maybe it could be expanded to other things
like sex and violence scenes. Then prudish and nervous types would know when
to avert their eyes.

<< Great movies are accidents. >>

POTA2K1 wasn't a bad movie.
It was quite good. It just doesn't look it when compared
to a great film like the original. A problem that the sequels
suffered from as well.

In a message dated 9/30/01 7:46:36 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I just saw the new Fox movie "Don't Say a Word." Slick, but not too deep.

>>

In a message dated 9/30/01 7:46:36 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< I just saw the new Fox movie "Don't Say a Word." Slick, but not too deep.

>>

Thanks for the tip.
I figured as much and decided against rushing to see it.
I'd like to see some on the kung fu thrillers . . .
The One with Jett Lee and Iron Monkey come to mind.
Other than those I'm content to wait and see what they
did with The Lord of the Rings. And as much as I love
Tenacious D I think I'll take a pass on Shallow Hal as well.

I nominated it a few weeks back and I got a response thanking me for my
nomination. Did anyone else get that?

Matt

In a message dated 9/30/01 9:42:06 PM, veetus@... writes:

<< Not every movie has to be brilliant. Has Spielberg ever made a brilliant
movie? Maybe "Jaws". >>

Schindler's List.

Matt

In a message dated 9/30/01 9:53:49 PM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< I nominated it a few weeks back and I got a response thanking me for my
nomination. Did anyone else get that? >>

I haven't... yet.

-Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 9:33:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 23 years ago would you have imagined all the interest in POTA today?

Yes.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 11:01:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

In a message dated 9/30/01 9:53:49 PM Central Daylight Time, MTotsky@...
writes:

<< I nominated it a few weeks back and I got a response thanking me for my
nomination. Did anyone else get that? >>

I haven't... yet.

-Joe

Yes, I got the thanks response.  Joe, try again and don't send what you sent before.  Try to sound . . . 16!

(Remember, never trust anyone UNDER thirty.)

-- Rory<.html

Touche. But some feel he copped out in that movie. For example when the
Jews are led to the showers and they turn out to actually be showers.

- -
- - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] A.I


>
> In a message dated 9/30/01 9:42:06 PM, veetus@... writes:
>
> << Not every movie has to be brilliant. Has Spielberg ever made a
brilliant
> movie? Maybe "Jaws". >>
>
> Schindler's List.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

http://www.lorencoleman.com/obits.htmlForever

Forever Linked to Bigfoot: John Chambers Passes Away
by Loren Coleman

John Chambers, who once created a Bigfoot carnival prop and was rumored to
be behind the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot footage, died of diabetes
complications, 25 August 2001, at the Motion Picture and Television Fund
retirement home in Woodland Hills. He was 78.

For years, a rumor had circulated that Chambers, famed Academy Award-winning
Hollywood special effects man, manufactured the suit allegedly worn by the
Bigfoot pictured in the famed Patterson-Gimlin Film which spawned renewed
interest in the creature.

The controversy peaked on the thirtieth anniversary of the filming when
press accounts from around the world recycled this rumor without benefit of
a personal interview with Chambers. Typical of the headlines is one that
appeared in London's Sunday Telegraph for October 19, 1997: "Hollywood
admits to Bigfoot hoax." The article, timed to the anniversary of reads in
part: "A piece of film, which for 30 years has been regarded as the most
compelling evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, the North American
'abominable snowman', is a hoax, according to new claims. John Chambers, the
man behind the Planet of the Apes films and the elder statesman of
Hollywood's Œmonster-makers¹, has been named by a group of Hollywood make-up
artists as the person who faked Bigfoot.

"In an interview with Scott Essman, an American journalist, the veteran
Hollywood director John Landis...said: 'That famous piece of film of Bigfoot
walking in the woods that was touted as the real thing was just a suit made
by John Chambers.' He said he learned the information while working
alongside Mr Chambers on Beneath the Planet of the Apes in 1970."

But the truth of the matter apparently lived beyond the Hollywood rumor
mill.

On October 26, 1997, California Bigfoot researcher and nurse Bobbie Short
interviewed Chambers, then living in seclusion in a Los Angeles nursing
home. The make-up artist insisted he had no prior knowledge of Roger
Patterson or Bob Gimlin before their claimed Bigfoot encounter on October
20, 1967. He also denied having anything to do with creating the suit, and
blamed the Hollywood rumor mill. Chambers went on to say that he was ³good²
but he ³was not that good² to have fashioned anything nearly so convincing
as the Bluff Creek Bigfoot.

As stated in the press at the time, the well-known movie director John
Landis claimed that Chambers not only made the Patterson suit but helped
make the film. For just as long people have pointed to Landis as the one
from whom they heard the story, not Chambers. But Chambers himself said the
only Bigfoot he made was the "Burbank Bigfoot," a large stone prop intended
to imitate a real Bigfootlike creature and used for a carnival tour. Some
even speculated that Chambers was involved with constructing the Minnesota
Iceman, shown in Midwestern state and stock fairs by Frank Hansen, beginning
in 1967. The Burbank Bigfoot, however, appears to be the only "Bigfoot"
Chambers ever created.

During his 30-year career, Chambers worked on several movies and television
shows, including TV's "The Outer Limits," "The Munsters," "Lost in Space"
and "Mission Impossible." Chambers was responsible for putting the pointy
ears on "Star Trek's" Mr. Spock. His makeup and prosthetics film credits
included "National Lampoon's Class Reunion" (1982), "Halloween II" (1981),
"The Island of Dr. Moreau" (1977), "SSSSSSS" (1973), "Battle for the Planet
of the Apes" (1973), "Superbeast" (1972), "Conquest of the Planet of the
Apes" (1972), "Slaughterhouse-Five" (1972), "Escape from the Planet of the
Apes" (1971), "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" (1970), "Planet of the Apes"
(1968), "The List of Adrian Messenger" (1963), and "Showdown at Boot Hill"
(1958).

John Chambers is best known, however, for designing the anthropoids in the
original "Planet of the Apes." When he worked on "Planet of the Apes" in the
1960s, Chambers recalled in a recent Assoicated Press interview how he spent
hours at the Los Angeles Zoo doing research.

"It was the best way I could think of for capturing the elastic facial
expressions of the apes," he said.

The Associated Press noted that his preparation led him to develop a new
type of foam rubber that was easier to work with than the material commonly
used at the time. He also created facial appliances that could be attached
to actors' faces to form primate features. For his efforts he became only
the second makeup artist to receive an honorary Academy Award. A competitive
category for makeup was established in the 1980s.

Considering the timing of the filming of the Patterson-Gimlin footage in
1967, many skeptics of the film naturally looked to Chambers as the source
of the fully-haired upright primate in the film. Critics of the film's
debunkers would later point out that the original "Planet of the Apes"
costumes were not full-body suits, but mostly rigid facial and upper torso
gear.

Intriguingly, Chambers' first of only a few acting appearances was in a 1971
movie about a California Bigfoot that terrorized co-eds. The film,
"Schlock" was directed by John Landis, who also played the film's very thin
Bigfoot. Chambers played the National Guard Captain in the film. Chambers'
student, Rick Baker, who one day would create Harry in "Harry and the
Hendersons," did the makeup and created the Bigfoot in Schlock.

John Chambers' name will forever be linked to Bigfoot, no matter the
realities behind the rumors.

I loved the Robin Williams cameo too.

I think maybe as a parent I see movies through different eyes now. I would
have probably dismissed AI as sentimental garbage years ago but there is
just something about being a parent that really brings that movie home.

Being a parent also showed me all the Star Wars sequels and Ep1 through
different eyes.

When I first saw the sequels I remember thinking "How can I take Yoda
seriously when he is talking in Grover's voice?". I thought all the
monsters were becoming very Sesame Street. The Ewoks were OK because they
reminded me of H Beam Piper's Fuzzy Sapiens (and the Little Fuzzies reminded
me of little chimps when I read it - I always wanted so badly to have pet
ape but they were illegal to own in Australia...which is good really in
hindsight).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 11:30
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] A.I

I'd like to see "A.I." again. I kinda dismissed it the first time I saw
but it kinda stayed with me. A lot of people get confused by those
characters in the end.

- -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: [pota] A.I


> I gotta say I really liked A.I.
>
> Maybe I am going soft but I thought it was brilliant. There was a very
> obvious Kubrick influence and it was a very Spielberg movie too. Lots of
> people were reduced to tears.
>
> It was chilling to see the 2 World Trade Centre buildings. Amazing, but
> just like lady liberty in POTA, there is an assumption that such
structures
> will always be there.
>
> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 8:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Check out WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of
> Sep 29 2001
>
> From what I understand, they were going to release Spielberg's "Minority
> Report" as their big movie for 2001. At the last minute, Spielberg decided
> to do "A.I." for Warners first, which left a hole in Fox's schedule. They
> bumped up "Apes", announcing at ShoWest 2000 "Apes" would come out in
2001.
> They didn't even have a script. Schedules rule the planet.
>
> Someone said 2003 for the sequel. Again, that's a tight schedule.
However,
> I would grit my teeth and say it would be cool if they could make that,
the
> 40th Anniversary of the book. Especially if they take their cue from the
> film's ending and do a modern society. If it weren't for that I would say
> don't even try, make it 2004.
>
>
-
> - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Check out WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of
> Sep 29 2001
>
>
> >
> > << At least now they have plenty of time to think about a good sequel
and
> > plenty of time to make it without being rushed. >>
> > What was the rush this time?
> > Please explain WTF you're talking about, Al?
> > Did it have to get made before the war started?
> > I don't think they had any inside info there.
> > They had thirty years to thik about this one.
> > Seriously for the last ten years and then once they
> > get the greenlight the pushed for a summer '01 release!
> > Now, what make you think they won't do the same thing?
> > They'll drag their feet scratching their heads and then rush it again!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
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.html In a message dated 9/30/01 7:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I gotta say I really liked A.I.

Maybe I am going soft but I thought it was brilliant.  There was a very
obvious Kubrick influence and it was a very Spielberg movie too.  Lots of
people were reduced to tears.

It was chilling to see the 2 World Trade Centre buildings.  Amazing, but
just like lady liberty in POTA, there is an assumption that such structures
will always be there.

I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Michael

Well, I still think the whole middle section of this movie failed, but I'll watch it again when it comes to DVD.  Will I ever think it's brilliant?  I don't think so.  I don't even think "Close Encounters" and "E.T." are brilliant, and I don't think Kubrick's last three movies were brilliant either.

-- Rory

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Spielberg didn't have anything to do with Green Mile I don't think. Frank
Darabont directed it.

Loc


In a message dated 10/1/01 5:57:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I thought Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan and The Green Mile were
brilliant.

I also like to enjoy pure escapism at times too.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 11:42
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] A.I


Not every movie has to be brilliant. Has Spielberg ever made a brilliant
movie? Maybe "Jaws".

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- Jeff









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What were the last 2 movies he did prior to that?  Was it Full Metal Jacket and Barry Lyndon?

I have recently re-viewed Lolita, Dr.Strangelove, 2001, A Clockwork Orange and the Shining - these were all brilliant.  I bought the collection on DVD which contained all the movies mentioned here except Dr Strangelove.  Have I not mentioned any?

Michael



I thought the first half of "Full Metal Jacket" was great (not brilliant, though), but that the movie fell apart after that.  Kubrick's great war film is "Paths of Glory."   Check that out if you've never seen it.  "The Shining," I think, is close to being crap.  I don't understand why he found this material interesting.  He tries to make something more of it, but it just doesn't work for me.  Elements of it scared me when I saw it when it was new, but a recent viewing on DVD left me cold (pun intended).  I like "Barry Lyndon," and think it's very good.   I'm not going to go on any further, except to say that Kubrick was once my favorite director, but I've cooled on him.  He WAS brilliant.

-- Rory<.html

Michael Whitty writes:

> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Highly doubtful, as they would serve as obvious targets in the future. Talk
is of five smaller towers and a memorial park, or one massive memorial park
(which is doubtful, as the office space is needed).

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct? Just in the 1976
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In a message dated 10/1/01 11:32:18 AM, prophecysite@... writes:

<< I would say that it won't be a modern society but rather back to the
future with the original cast. And Leo Davidson trying to repair the damage
caused. It's the only way to bring back Ari, Attar and the rest of the crew
if they choose to go that way.

2004 is a no fly zone seeing that Star Wars Episode III will be released. So
the only windows would be 2003 and 2005 to avoid Fox from competing with
itself and make a good chunck on change year after year between Star Wars
2002 and 2004 and Apes in 2003 and 2005. (If it ever gets that far) >>

Won't Star Wars Episode III be out in 2005? There are always three years
between Star Wars films an Episode II is due next year. Did I miss something?
Did Lucasfilm announce that Episode III will only take 2 years to make?

Matt

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/1/01 11:32:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, prophecysite@... writes:

I would say that it won't be a modern society but rather back to the future with the original cast. And Leo Davidson trying to repair the damage caused. It's the only way to bring back Ari, Attar and the rest of the crew if they choose to go that way.

2004 is a no fly zone seeing that Star Wars Episode III will be released. So the only windows would be 2003 and 2005 to avoid Fox from competing with itself and make a good chunck on change year after year between Star Wars 2002 and 2004 and Apes in 2003 and 2005. (If it ever gets that far)

Best.
Al



Oh no!  Please don't bring back Ari or any make-up of that kind.  Let apes be apes!

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 9/30/01 10:36:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< Yes, I got the thanks response. Joe, try again and don't send what you
sent
before. Try to sound . . . 16! >>

Whoa... who told you I turned 16? Yes, I'll try a 'smarter' approach.

-Joe

<< Oh no! Please don't bring back Ari or any make-up of that kind. Let apes
be
apes! >>

WTF, Rory?
I didn't think you gave a Sh*t about the new stuff anyway.
Why do you care?

<< Whoa... who told you I turned 16? Yes, I'll try a 'smarter' approach.

-Joe >>

Joe Russo is only 16?
Nice writing there, Joe!

The sarcasm detector is off the charts!

In a message dated 10/1/01 5:35:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I would love it if anyone can give me some phlosophical depth from
that movie because I felt robbed! >>

I think the message was don't F*** with secret societies or they will F***
with you. Admittedly not very deep. Certainly not deep enough for them to
kill him over it.

Oh well, 2 out of 3 (and I still think it was a fantastic movie!).

Thanks for pointing that out Loc. Was that Picard's borg name?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: locutusatwolf359@... [locutusatwolf359@...]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 21:04
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Spielberg didn't have anything to do with Green Mile I don't think. Frank
Darabont directed it.

Loc


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<< I thought Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan and The Green Mile were
brilliant.

I also like to enjoy pure escapism at times too.

Michael

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Not every movie has to be brilliant. Has Spielberg ever made a brilliant
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That is correct - I don't believe the towers were built for any of the first
5 movies or TV Series.

Although they would serve as a target, they have been thus (eg of bombing)
for years and would not the next obvious choice be the Empire State Building
or whatever is next highest? Rebuild those suckers!

What, is the world going to be without skyscrapers? I hope not.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 22:57
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Subject: [pota] Re: AI

Michael Whitty writes:

> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Highly doubtful, as they would serve as obvious targets in the future. Talk
is of five smaller towers and a memorial park, or one massive memorial park
(which is doubtful, as the office space is needed).

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct? Just in the 1976
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In a message dated 10/1/01 4:12:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Joe Russo is only 16?
Nice writing there, Joe!

The sarcasm detector is off the charts! >>

Yeah, it just flew off and hit me in the eye.

-Joe

Happy Birthday Joe.

Enjoy them before you get as old as Rory!

Michael

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In a message dated 9/30/01 10:36:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< Yes, I got the thanks response. Joe, try again and don't send what you
sent
before. Try to sound . . . 16! >>

Whoa... who told you I turned 16? Yes, I'll try a 'smarter' approach.

-Joe

Maybe. I guess the message from A Clockwork Orange was simple and we were
taken on a roller coaster ride to get there, but at least that is an
IMPORTANT message.

Michael

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In a message dated 10/1/01 5:35:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I would love it if anyone can give me some phlosophical depth from
that movie because I felt robbed! >>

I think the message was don't F*** with secret societies or they will F***
with you. Admittedly not very deep. Certainly not deep enough for them to
kill him over it.

No, that was Stanley Kubrick whilst filming "Eyes Wide Shut". May he rest
in peace.

Michael

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In a message dated 10/1/01 4:12:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Joe Russo is only 16?
Nice writing there, Joe!

The sarcasm detector is off the charts! >>

Yeah, it just flew off and hit me in the eye.

-Joe

In a message dated 10/1/01 4:39:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Happy Birthday Joe.

Enjoy them before you get as old as Rory!

Michael >>

Thank you very much. Getting as old as Rory is the thing I dread most
(besides Divine Bombs) so I plan on savoring my younger years as long as I
can. ;)

-Joe

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<< Oh no!  Please don't bring back Ari or any make-up of that kind.  Let apes
be
apes! >>

WTF, Rory?
I didn't think you gave a Sh*t about the new stuff anyway.
Why do you care?

I do have this remote hope that maybe, JUST MAYBE, a sequel could be better, BUT ONLY if they don't make some of the same mistakes they made with the new movie, and the Ari and especially the Nova makeup were BIG mistakes.  I think Nova's little sex dance was the worst moment in the movie.  At that point I was like "What am I into Planet of the Apes for?  Not this shit!  Give me the original!"

I hope they go "Back to the Planet of the Apes" for a sequel.

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Michael Whitty wrote:

That is correct - I don't believe the towers were built for any of the first
5 movies or TV Series.

Although they would serve as a target, they have been thus (eg of bombing)
for years and would not the next obvious choice be the Empire State Building
or whatever is next highest?  Rebuild those suckers!

What, is the world going to be without skyscrapers?  I hope not.

Michael

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Sent:   Monday, 1 October 2001 22:57
To:     pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:        [pota] Re: AI

Michael Whitty writes:
> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Highly doubtful, as they would serve as obvious targets in the future.  Talk
is of five smaller towers and a memorial park, or one massive memorial park
(which is doubtful, as the office space is needed).

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct?  Just in the 1976
version of King Kong.

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----- Original Message -----

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Well, if they're going to try for 2003, they'll have to announce within the next six months.  Maybe they're waiting to see how it does on Video and DVD.

-- Rory

 

 

Well most likely if anything will be announced it's very possible it will be announced in the DVD release. Perhaps another extra goodie on the DVD as Universal did with the Scorpion King on the Mummy Returns DVD. Although we all already knew that before hand.

 

Also I believe Nostradamus predicted it as well.

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

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Someone said 2003 for the sequel. Again, that's a tight schedule. However,
I would grit my teeth and say it would be cool if they could make that, the
40th Anniversary of the book. Especially if they take their cue from the
film's ending and do a modern society. If it weren't for that I would say
don't even try, make it 2004.

                                                                         -
- - Jeff


I would say that it won't be a modern society but rather back to the future with the original cast. And Leo Davidson trying to repair the damage caused. It's the only way to bring back Ari, Attar and the rest of the crew if they choose to go that way.

2004 is a no fly zone seeing that Star Wars Episode III will be released. So the only windows would be 2003 and 2005 to avoid Fox from competing with itself and make a good chunck on change year after year between Star Wars 2002 and 2004 and Apes in 2003 and 2005. (If it ever gets that far)

 

Best.

Al

 

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Has anyone else noticed the dust storm in the film?
I'm not just talking about the desert scenes either.
Is this just something that happens with old prints?
Or could they just not keep the grit out of the camera?
Maybe they thought if we put it throughout the film no one will know.

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Check out WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of Sep 29 2...

In a message dated 10/1/01 5:09:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Oh no!  Please don't bring back Ari or any make-up of that kind.  Let apes
be
apes! >>

WTF, Rory?
I didn't think you gave a Sh*t about the new stuff anyway.
Why do you care?

I do have this remote hope that maybe, JUST MAYBE, a sequel could be better, BUT ONLY if they don't make some of the same mistakes they made with the new movie, and the Ari and especially the Nova makeup were BIG mistakes.  I think Nova's little sex dance was the worst moment in the movie.  At that point I was like "What am I into Planet of the Apes for?  Not this shit!  Give me the original!"

I hope they go "Back to the Planet of the Apes" for a sequel.

-- Rory

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For the record, "Star Wars" 3 is coming out in 2005. Probably in 2006 we'll get the other "Star Wars" movies on DVD and in 2007 a new "Indiana Jones". You heard it here first!

                                                                   - - - - Jeff



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.htmlIn a message dated 10/1/01 11:21:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Hey! Lisa Marie worked very hard on that sex dance. She and Tim practiced all the time. Remember her in "Mars Attacks"?

                                                                - - - - Jeff



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.htmlIn a message dated 10/1/01 9:01:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lcolema1@... writes:

Michael Whitty writes:
> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Highly doubtful, as they would serve as obvious targets in the future.  Talk
is of five smaller towers and a memorial park, or one massive memorial park
(which is doubtful, as the office space is needed).

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct?  Just in the 1976
version of King Kong.

I agree with this.  Also, I really don't want them to rebuild the towers -- they're now in the past.  I always thought the towers were kind of ugly, but that's just me.  I want something else built there.

Now, they better leave the Empire State Building alone!!!

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:05 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] 2003 - Odyssey 2

In a message dated 10/1/01 9:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

For the record, "Star Wars" 3 is coming out in 2005. Probably in 2006 we'll get the other "Star Wars" movies on DVD and in 2007 a new "Indiana Jones". You heard it here first!

                                                                   - - - - Jeff

2006?  2007?  Will we have won the great war on terrorism by then?

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Michael Whitty writes:

> I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Highly doubtful, as they would serve as obvious targets in the future. Talk
is of five smaller towers and a memorial park, or one massive memorial park
(which is doubtful, as the office space is needed).

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct? Just in the 1976
version of King Kong.

.htmlIn a message dated 10/2/01 1:13:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcolema1@... writes:

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct?  Just in the 1976
version of King Kong.

There is that awful matte painting in BENEATH of a ruined New York City, but since BENEATH was made before 1970, I don't think you can make out a World Trade Center.  I don't even remember being able to see the Empire State Building, and I don't want to still the image on my DVD right now as I like to only watch these movies once or twice a year -- and now is not the time.

-- Rory

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.htmlI just heard suncoast will ship the series NOV 10 to the stores an employee told me thats the arrival.Would like to know someone who could sell it early.Bryan<.html

.htmlI mean fox will ship not suncoast sorry,about that. Bryan<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/2/01 7:09:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kay53531@... writes:

I just heard FOX will ship the series NOV 10 to the stores.  An employee told me that's the arrival.  Would like to know someone who could sell it early.  Bryan

Patience, patience!   Don't go ape!   Once you have it, and watch it, then what will you have to look forward to?

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.htmlOkay, I just couldn't resist.  I had to look.  On the BENEATH DVD, at the end of chapter 18 is the matte painting of a ruined New York City.  I can tell you're supposed to be looking at it from the Brooklyn side because what's left of the Brooklyn Bridge in in the lower right.  Above it is what I think is supposed to be the Empire State Building, AND to the left, I now think, is what's supposed to be left of ONE of the World Trade Center Towers.  

Everyone here who's got the DVD or can freeze-frame their VHS's has got to check this out and tell what they think.  Hey, maybe this will give us something to talk about for at least two days?

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.html Although the corner stone was laid for the WTC in 1966, the buildings weren't completed until around 1972 ( the 2nd tower opened about a year later, I think). If they used a recent skyline shot of Manhattan of 1969 as reference or the base art for the matte, I doubt that enough of the buildings would have been completed enough to feature. Just a thought.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

Okay, I just couldn't resist.  I had to look.  On the BENEATH DVD, at the end of chapter 18 is the matte painting of a ruined New York City.  I can tell you're supposed to be looking at it from the Brooklyn side because what's left of the Brooklyn Bridge in in the lower right.  Above it is what I think is supposed to be the Empire State Building, AND to the left, I now think, is what's supposed to be left of ONE of the World Trade Center Towers.

Everyone here who's got the DVD or can freeze-frame their VHS's has got to check this out and tell what they think.  Hey, maybe this will give us something to talk about for at least two days?

-- Rory

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.htmlSo true So true.I can enjoy the classic apes with the new film over the four day thanks giving holiday.Oh by the way an employee at toys r us said they pulled the big box apes models kits with all four kits inside because manufacture said parts were missing from many of the kits Bryan<.html

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Planet apes tv series

So true So true.I can enjoy the classic apes with the new film over the four day thanks giving holiday.Oh by the way an employee at toys r us said they pulled the big box apes models kits with all four kits inside because manufacture said parts were missing from many of the kits Bryan
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Twin Towers

In a message dated 10/2/01 1:13:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcolema1@... writes:

The WTC did not appear in any the POTA's movies, correct?  Just in the 1976
version of King Kong.

There is that awful matte painting in BENEATH of a ruined New York City, but since BENEATH was made before 1970, I don't think you can make out a World Trade Center.  I don't even remember being able to see the Empire State Building, and I don't want to still the image on my DVD right now as I like to only watch these movies once or twice a year -- and now is not the time.

-- Rory

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<< There is that awful matte painting in BENEATH of a ruined New York City,
but
since BENEATH was made before 1970, I don't think you can make out a World
Trade Center. I don't even remember being able to see the Empire State
Building >>

I recall they did it by cutting up NY scenes and pasting them back together.
I believe it was the New York Public Library and Radio City Music Hall.
Cheap yet effective.

Thanks for the research on that, Ken.
I was thinking it was '74 or something, but didn't have time to check.

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In a message dated 10/2/01 10:06:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< I believe Rory is talking about the scene where Ursus, Zaius and the
Gorilla Army are marching on the city. >>

It's been a while...I'll have to check that out.

I'll see you all in a couple of days - I an off to Sydney.

Ken, I might see you tonight or tomorrow!

Ring me on 0414 917 103.

Michael

.htmlIn a message dated 10/2/01 10:14:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kentaylor@... writes:

Although the corner stone was laid for the WTC in 1966, the buildings weren't completed until around 1972 ( the 2nd tower opened about a year later, I think). If they used a recent skyline shot of Manhattan of 1969 as reference or the base art for the matte, I doubt that enough of the buildings would have been completed enough to feature. Just a thought.
Best,
KEN

We just had a documentary on NYC running on PBS here in the USA and in it I saw footage that showed that the towers reached their final height in 1970.  The inside may have not be completed until '72, though.

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.htmlOkay Gang,

I'm a little surprised some of you don't know what I'm talking about in BENEATH, but whatever.

Yes, Alex is right, I'm referring to the shot of ruined Manhattan that the gorilla army and Dr. Zaius see just before the film dissolves to the Mutant Bomb Worship scene.

My belief is that at least one of the Towers was completed, on the outside anyway by 1970, and that the second was nearly done.  The buildings probably weren't ready for occupancy until a couple years later.

It's also interesting to me that after thirty years I finally see that in BENEATH the gorilla army is approaching Manhattan from Brooklyn.  Boy, they really screwed up the locations in BENEATH.  How close was Ape City suppposed to be in the world of BENEATH?  In Nassau county?!!!  The gorilla army should have approached Manhattan from the New Jersey side!  But let's not get into that.

As to whether or not the WTC towers or just one tower is supposed to be in this matte painting, I DON'T KNOW.  I just can't imagine what other building that tall is supposed to be in lower Manhattan, but then it's only a movie.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:34 AM

Subject: [pota] BENEATH's NYC Matte Shot

Okay Gang,

I'm a little surprised some of you don't know what I'm talking about in BENEATH, but whatever.

Yes, Alex is right, I'm referring to the shot of ruined Manhattan that the gorilla army and Dr. Zaius see just before the film dissolves to the Mutant Bomb Worship scene.

My belief is that at least one of the Towers was completed, on the outside anyway by 1970, and that the second was nearly done.  The buildings probably weren't ready for occupancy until a couple years later.

It's also interesting to me that after thirty years I finally see that in BENEATH the gorilla army is approaching Manhattan from Brooklyn.  Boy, they really screwed up the locations in BENEATH.  How close was Ape City suppposed to be in the world of BENEATH?  In Nassau county?!!!  The gorilla army should have approached Manhattan from the New Jersey side!  But let's not get into that.

As to whether or not the WTC towers or just one tower is supposed to be in this matte painting, I DON'T KNOW.  I just can't imagine what other building that tall is supposed to be in lower Manhattan, but then it's only a movie.

-- Rory
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Good eye's on Krulls face being exposed after it had been
buried. But did you notice that when Limbo says, "Now I'm
gonna have to put him down!", the branding iron is nowhere
to be seen. When they cut back, there it is back in her face.

Why does that kid jump when he sees the scarecrow?
He had to walk at least 10 paces after cresting that hill.
Are they all blind?
And I still think if Bon didn't do a good
job of hiding his little sister until Ari got back from Calima
and the Senator found her, Thade's niece would be getting
her pet back.
And why do some of these characters even
have names? They never use them? Daena could just be called
Girl. Karubi -- Girl's father. Birn -- Girl's brother, etc . . .
They should reverse the credits so you can look up the names
by who played them.
And what is Ari going to do with Periclese? If she doesn't put
him in a cage, it'd be like Chaka the Monkey-boy, throwing his
sh*t all over the place and humping the furniture. "Wilra? Holry?"

I wonder if Burton pondered these things.
Proabably not.

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/01 10:27:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

One could also take into account artistic license. When did mankind destroy itself? Perhaps the artists took into acount buildings that went up in the future. 1,000 years gives them a lot of leeway.

                                                                             - - - Jeff



I actually don't believe that after 2000 years any of our modern buildings would still be standing, at least not as shown in that matte painting in BENEATH.  The concrete would have long ago crumbled to dust and the iron rusted away.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/01 10:29:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shadowhawke_98@... writes:

I don't know whether Linda Harrison should be more worried about her Ape master, or her human boyfriend Moses, president of the NRA and parter of the Red Sea.

What the hell is this about?

-- Rory

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In a message dated 10/3/01 1:46:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I'll see you all in a couple of days - I an off to Sydney. >>

All rightm have a fun time. See you soon.

-Joe

.htmlIt was three years ago today that Roddy McDowall died.  Where were you and what were you doing when you heard the news?

I had heard about three weeks earlier on Entertainment Tonight that he had terminal cancer.  I couldn't believe it, and thought he'd put up a good fight that could last for months, but little did I, or we, know how bad off he was.  Anyway, on October 3, 1998, I came home on a Saturday evening and started watching the NBC evening news.  That's when I found out.  I literally jumped off the couch.  I spent the rest of the evening checking CNN to see their reports on his death.  In one segment they showed him at his last public appearance at the L.A. Zoo during the AMC "Apes Goes Classic" Labor Day Weekend.  He was behind the glass in the ape house waving at some chimps.  That pretty much had me teary-eyed.  I kept thinking how wonderful it was that at the end of his life he shared with every APES' fan his behind-the-scenes footage from the making of PLANET, after thirty years.  It sort of reminded me of the end of "Cinema Paradiso."  A fitting end for a film buff such as McDowall.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] BENEATH's NYC Matte Shot

In a message dated 10/3/01 10:27:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

One could also take into account artistic license. When did mankind destroy itself? Perhaps the artists took into acount buildings that went up in the future. 1,000 years gives them a lot of leeway.

                                                                             - - - Jeff

I actually don't believe that after 2000 years any of our modern buildings would still be standing, at least not as shown in that matte painting in BENEATH.  The concrete would have long ago crumbled to dust and the iron rusted away.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:48 PM

Subject: [pota] Gone but not forgotten

It was three years ago today that Roddy McDowall died.  Where were you and what were you doing when you heard the news?

I had heard about three weeks earlier on Entertainment Tonight that he had terminal cancer.  I couldn't believe it, and thought he'd put up a good fight that could last for months, but little did I, or we, know how bad off he was.  Anyway, on October 3, 1998, I came home on a Saturday evening and started watching the NBC evening news.  That's when I found out.  I literally jumped off the couch.  I spent the rest of the evening checking CNN to see their reports on his death.  In one segment they showed him at his last public appearance at the L.A. Zoo during the AMC "Apes Goes Classic" Labor Day Weekend.  He was behind the glass in the ape house waving at some chimps.  That pretty much had me teary-eyed.  I kept thinking how wonderful it was that at the end of his life he shared with every APES' fan his behind-the-scenes footage from the making of PLANET, after thirty years.  It sort of reminded me of the end of "Cinema Paradiso."  A fitting end for a film buff such as McDowall.

-- Rory

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After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it didn't
fair any better with the critics than the new Apes. Not everyone felt it was
a classic when it first came out. Only time will tell...

In a message dated 10/4/01 1:28:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it didn't
fair any better with the critics than the new Apes. Not everyone felt it
was
a classic when it first came out. Only time will tell... >>

Yeah. Reading the reviews for 'Battle' is something else.

"Battle for the Planet of the Apes is the fifth and, Merciful God, the last
of the Apes movies." - Roger Eggbert.

I hate Roger Eggbert. He's just too snooty, and his reviews aren't worth
anything. Also, he has annoying one liners like the one above that just get
to me. Oh, and he looks like an egg, hence the name 'Eggbert'.

-Joe

Plus Ebert is a liar. "Battle" wasn't the last of the "Ape" movies. He he
he! But maybe Burton's will be!

I checked the trades and the Battle Royale between "Apes" and "Jurassic 3"
is over. Last weekend "Apes " dropped from # 19 to # 23 with a total of $177
million in the U.S.; "Jurassic" actually ROSE from #23 to #20 and has $179
million. Doesn't look like "Apes" will beat it though both can be rounded
out to $180 million as we knew all along. But going toe to toe with a
"Jurassic Park" movie is no slouch.

- -
- - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] mixed reviews


> In a message dated 10/4/01 1:28:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it
didn't
> fair any better with the critics than the new Apes. Not everyone felt it
> was
> a classic when it first came out. Only time will tell... >>
>
> Yeah. Reading the reviews for 'Battle' is something else.
>
> "Battle for the Planet of the Apes is the fifth and, Merciful God, the
last
> of the Apes movies." - Roger Eggbert.
>
> I hate Roger Eggbert. He's just too snooty, and his reviews aren't worth
> anything. Also, he has annoying one liners like the one above that just
get
> to me. Oh, and he looks like an egg, hence the name 'Eggbert'.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Mr. Charlton Heston is 77 today. Happy Birthday, Moses, sir.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] mixed reviews


> In a message dated 10/4/01 1:28:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it
didn't
> fair any better with the critics than the new Apes. Not everyone felt it
> was
> a classic when it first came out. Only time will tell... >>
>
> Yeah. Reading the reviews for 'Battle' is something else.
>
> "Battle for the Planet of the Apes is the fifth and, Merciful God, the
last
> of the Apes movies." - Roger Eggbert.
>
> I hate Roger Eggbert. He's just too snooty, and his reviews aren't worth
> anything. Also, he has annoying one liners like the one above that just
get
> to me. Oh, and he looks like an egg, hence the name 'Eggbert'.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

There was a nice tribute to John Chambers in today's "Hollywood Reporter"
in the "Tech Talk" column. It said, "One would have to look back almost to
the silent era and early talkies, to Lon Chaney Jr. and Jack P. Pierce, to
find a makeup artist who cast as long a shadow and influenced as many as
Chambers." They also talked to Tom Burman, who claims to have brought up
John's name for the "Apes" assignment, and Rick Baker, who sculpted the new
"Ape" characters under a photo of Chambers and himself.

- - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] mixed reviews


> In a message dated 10/4/01 1:28:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it
didn't
> fair any better with the critics than the new Apes. Not everyone felt it
> was
> a classic when it first came out. Only time will tell... >>
>
> Yeah. Reading the reviews for 'Battle' is something else.
>
> "Battle for the Planet of the Apes is the fifth and, Merciful God, the
last
> of the Apes movies." - Roger Eggbert.
>
> I hate Roger Eggbert. He's just too snooty, and his reviews aren't worth
> anything. Also, he has annoying one liners like the one above that just
get
> to me. Oh, and he looks like an egg, hence the name 'Eggbert'.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Tuesday's "Hollywood Reporter" had an article on the upcoming merchandise
for "Lord of the Rings" and "Harry Potter". Sellers are anteing up for them
even though the market is down. This summer's junk "met expectations",
though the expectations were low. The article noted that POTA stuff was
"modestly positioned, partly due to retailers' concerns that the movie would
be too dark and violent for younger children".

-
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] mixed reviews


> In a message dated 10/4/01 1:28:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it
didn't
> fair any better with the critics than the new Apes. Not everyone felt it
> was
> a classic when it first came out. Only time will tell... >>
>
> Yeah. Reading the reviews for 'Battle' is something else.
>
> "Battle for the Planet of the Apes is the fifth and, Merciful God, the
last
> of the Apes movies." - Roger Eggbert.
>
> I hate Roger Eggbert. He's just too snooty, and his reviews aren't worth
> anything. Also, he has annoying one liners like the one above that just
get
> to me. Oh, and he looks like an egg, hence the name 'Eggbert'.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/01 4:27:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< After reading some of the reviews in Joe's book, I realized that it didn't
fair any better with the critics than the new Apes.  Not everyone felt it
was
a classic when it first came out.  Only time will tell... >>

Yeah.  Reading the reviews for 'Battle' is something else.  

"Battle for the Planet of the Apes is the fifth and, Merciful God, the last
of the Apes movies." - Roger Eggbert.

I hate Roger Eggbert.  He's just too snooty, and his reviews aren't worth
anything.  Also, he has annoying one liners like the one above that just get
to me.  Oh, and he looks like an egg, hence the name 'Eggbert'.

-Joe

Hey Joe, have you ever heard the expression "Opinions are like assholes: everybody's got one and they all stink"?

I miss Gene Siskel.

Joe Russo one night read to me over the phone this 1968 review of PLANET from some British magazine that so wittily tore the movie apart that we were both laughing our heads off.  He's told me he plans to post it on his website.  I've got to remind him to do it so you all can read it.

-- Rory<.html