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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] mixed reviews

In a message dated 10/4/01 7:14:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I hate Roger Eggbert.  >>

Yeah, the one movie he did write was no Academy Award winner.
And that new guy Roper said the new one wasn't as good as the original, it
was better.  Wrong thing to say!  Man, do I miss Gene Siskle!

Did anyone notice Senator Nado's other lip??
I need to make a blooper list.  Not that I don't like Burton, but there are
times I wish my first choice Gilliam had got the proj.  Oh, well. . . Maybe
one of the sequels.

I think it's a pretty fair bet that if there's another APES movie someone other than Burton will direct.

-- Rory

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> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:24:57 -0700
> From: veetus@...
> Subject: Roll the merchant dice
>
> Tuesday's "Hollywood Reporter" had an article on the upcoming merchandise
> for "Lord of the Rings" and "Harry Potter". Sellers are anteing up for them
> even though the market is down. This summer's junk "met expectations",
> though the expectations were low. The article noted that POTA stuff was
> "modestly positioned, partly due to retailers' concerns that the movie would
> be too dark and violent for younger children".
>
> -
> - - - Jeff
>
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:59 PM

Subject: [pota] Mad max

Hi T, Did your package arrive? Bryan

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:23 PM

Subject: [pota] The Semos with the most (spoiler)

Interesting ideas about the Burton film on your website, Alex. But why do they belabor the point that Thade knows about Leo's sunken pod?

 

                                                                            - - - Jeff

 

Good point Jeff. Perhaps a through off from the point.

In other words Planet of the Apes is a mystery to be solved, so many points will be given. As for the sunken pod, not unless Thade has scuba gear do I see him raising that pod from the water...monkeys can't swim, I mean apes! Sorry KRULL.

 

The depiction of SEMOS in the picture is the same as the depiction of CHRIST.

Where in the new testament it's written. The angel says to the apposels: "The same way you see Jesus leaving this world, the same you shall see him return." It's a verse of the bible, not the exact words but close to the effect, I don't want to start looking up bible verses (unless you ask) but anyway the idea was taken from there. And so we have SEMOS returning in a space pod.

 

After Christ rose from the dead, he then returned and visited the apposels for a few days and on the mount of olives he rose up into the sky (heaven), then the word was given by the angel about his return.

 

So again one has to ask, where the hell is SEMOS? :o)

And in my opinion the anwser was given at the climax of the film.

Know that the whole idea of Semos and his second coming was taken from the story of Christ, so it doesn't surprise me that that image was used in the film.

If they used the image of him just floating into the sky I'd say you maybe right, But to use the image of a Pod? The number 1 question would be, why?

And why have his second coming returning to CALIMA in a POD?

 

Things that make you go Hmmmm.... 

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] The Semos with the most (spoiler)

In a message dated 10/5/01 11:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Interesting ideas about the Burton film on your website, Alex. But why do they belabor the point that Thade knows about Leo's sunken pod?

                                                                           - - - Jeff

That reminds me. . . . At the point in the film were Thade kills the two gorillas that show him were the sunken pod is -- Well, that was the worst moment in the movie for me.   It was so stupid!

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 3:57
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA 2001 being a complete story

Thade knowing about the Pod in the water just proves that he know knows that
Leo is from 'somewhere else'.

-Joe

 

I fully agree and I'm aware of the Thade issue. I just think it's a lot more to ask If Thade is the one going to earth's past than Semos. After all Semos living and working with Humans knew all to well the full story as well as knowing a lot more than Thade when it came to the Space Pods and the Oberon's data base.

Human History, Planet Earth, Ape History on Earth, ect. ect. ect.

 

Either one can change the past, Thade or Semos (only one ape) but Semos knew a hundred times more than Thade so using Semos would make a lot more sence. Using Thade, you would have to really be streching it a bit.

 

When you look at Leo Davidson's issue, going into the space pod to get supplies rather than rising the ship from the water it does kind of make you think. If he used the pod to travel to Calima he would have made it there a lot quicker. But he didn't because that baby was dead in the water. And now thade is going to fix it?

 

I don't know about that. Again it's a hell of a strech.

This same storyline was used in Escape but in that case a sequel was never planed and it was the only way to remove themselves from a painted corner.

POTA 2001 is no different than POTA Original. It is a complete story within itself and not a soap opera. It has to be because if the movie bombs at the box office. your then stuck with a half told story.

 

And this is why all first films are ALWAYS complete stories.

Unless you film sequels at the sametime as they're doing now with Lord of the Rings.

 

MY WISDOM IS FLOWING LIKE A RIVER BABY...YEAH!! :o)

 

Best.

Al

 

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> I nominated it a few weeks back and I got a response thanking me for
> my nomination. Did anyone else get that?
>
> Matt

> I checked the trades and the Battle Royale between "Apes" and

> is over. Last weekend "Apes " dropped from # 19 to # 23 with a total of

> million in the U.S.; "Jurassic" actually ROSE from #23 to #20 and has

> million. Doesn't look like "Apes" will beat it though both can be

> out to $180 million as we knew all along. But going toe to toe with a
> "Jurassic Park" movie is no slouch.

If you'd notice the image of Semos, there are 7 stars (planets) with Semos being the 8th. A total of 8 Planets. 8 Planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer considered a planet) With the image of Calima below as the SUN.

 

 

 

Umm...Alex? I hate to throw a kink in everything you wrote out, but:

 

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast17feb99_1.htm

 

 

It's a long article (worth reading though) but the gist of it is "Mistaken reports that the IAU intended to strip Pluto of its planetary status caused an uproar among astronomers and in the popular press. It seems that Pluto is a sentimental favorite to remain a planet among both scientists and the public."

 

 

BTW, did you get that e-mail I sent you on 9/30?

 

 

Chris L.

  Hey, it just clicked. That's why the Fund is having the tribute this weekend. It's the anniversary of his death.

 

 I learned about his illness from the Army Archerd column that announced it. I just had a feeling from the way it was worded that there was no fight left. But I was shocked how fast he went. When was the AMC marathon where they debuted the documentary?

 

Labor Day weekend 1998, Saturday-Monday. VCR was in full blown record mode that weekend.

 

 

From: Haristas@...

 

>It was three years ago today that Roddy McDowall died.  Where were you >and what were you doing when you heard the news?

 

I believe I heard it through the Archerd column too (via Daily Variety online). I had just come home from work as was checking my e-mail, Yahoo news, etc. Nothing out of the ordinary, really.

 

Chris L.

Hello,

I would like to nominate the original 1968 version of PLANET OF THE APES for the National Film Registry, as I believe the film was very reflective of the American social and political climate of the time. What sets this film apart from others is that the political/social allegories are worked into the film rather than forced upon the viewer. You have to think about what you're seeing, and often the subtext becomes more apparent upon repeated viewings. I believe these elements make PLANET OF THE APES "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" as your website states.

I fully support any efforts that preserve American film heritage, and I thank you for your time and consideration.


Sincerely,

 

 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:19:35 EDT Haristas@... writes

Everyone here should just copy the above and send it out to:

 sleg@...

It's about time PLANET OF THE APES (1968) was on the National Film Registry.

Thanks Chris.

The address of the NFR website is:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/film/vote.html

-- Rory

 

 

 

You're welcome Rory- glad you found it useful.

 

 

Chris L.

Rory,

 

I thought "Eyes Wide Shut" was an excuse for Kubrick to masturbate while filming.  I got no deep message except that maybe contemplating betraying your partner can lead to more danger than one ever bargained for. 

 

I thought that was part of the message, but also there was the theme of Cruise's character being out of his element. Feeling betrayed by his wife, he romanticized a sexually charged lifestyle in his head and thought he could walk right into said lifestyle. It'd be like a guy just showing up on the set of a porno movie looking to star in a feature. It doesn't happen that way because you have to earn your way into that industry (unless you're doing the homegrown thing, in which case everyone is a star).

 

 

I will never understand why the movie would end with Nicole's shallow suggestion. 

 

Can't answer that one for you, unless you want to see it as some sort of reference to the fact that the simple answer to a problem (in this case, their marital problems) is often the correct one. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, after all.

 

 

Chris L.

 

In a message dated 9/30/01 4:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

Is that the same chronology that (for BENEATH) they used a still from BATTLE showing Kolp and Alma with the Alpha-Omega bomb? The same scene that isn't even in the U.S. version of BATTLE? This has gotta be the same person who put the Statue of Liberty ending on the cover of PLANET.

Morons!


Chris L.

 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:11:23 EDT Haristas@... writes:

The people working at Fox Video just aren't knowledgeable APES' fans.  Twenty-three years ago I should have moved to California and tried to get a job with them, but I had no idea then that APES was in the kind of hands it's in.  At least the Aussies had Ken "Taylor!" (as if Nova were saying it).  As for the Statue of Liberty on the PLANET cover, I've talked about this before, but I was just thinking the other day that we really should blame the Fox of 1969-70.  I think it was a mistake to start BENEATH with the ending of PLANET.  That classic final image should only be seen at the end of the original.  But then, I don't think anyone had an idea PLANET was a classic back then; it was just one of Fox's bigger hits.

-- Rory

 

It would've been interesting if they had left that scene out, because those unfamiliar with the story would've had the shock of discovering that the planet was actually Earth the same time Brent did (essentially then, they would've pulled off the same 'twist' twice). However, I'm guessing that most people who went to see BENEATH when it was first out had already seen PLANET and (obviously) knew the ending, thus using the scene in BENEATH was probably viewed as a means of establishing continuity.

 

One of the things I always liked about BENEATH as a sequel was the fact that it was a story unto itself as opposed to a rehash of the original. If you watch PLANET and BENEATH back to back and try to see it as one long story, it doesn't work. They're independent of each other, and to me that speaks to the overall strength of BENEATH. 

 

 

Chris L.

Rory,

 

I thought "Eyes Wide Shut" was an excuse for Kubrick to masturbate while filming.  I got no deep message except that maybe contemplating betraying your partner can lead to more danger than one ever bargained for. 

 

I thought that was part of the message, but also there was the theme of Cruise's character being out of his element. Feeling betrayed by his wife, he romanticized a sexually charged lifestyle in his head and thought he could walk right into said lifestyle. It'd be like a guy just showing up on the set of a porno movie looking to star in a feature. It doesn't happen that way because you have to earn your way into that industry (unless you're doing the homegrown thing, in which case everyone is a star).

 

 

I will never understand why the movie would end with Nicole's shallow suggestion. 

 

Can't answer that one for you, unless you want to see it as some sort of reference to the fact that the simple answer to a problem (in this case, their marital problems) is often the correct one. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, after all.

 

 

Chris L.

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] The Semos with the most (spoiler)


> In a message dated 10/6/01 1:25:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> << It made sense, but it was pointless to the movie as a whole. Thade
knows
> about the pod. So what? Nothing is done with it. >>
>
> Thade knowing about the Pod in the water just proves that he know knows
that
> Leo is from 'somewhere else'.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

If you'd notice the image of Semos, there are 7 stars (planets) with Semos being the 8th. A total of 8 Planets. 8 Planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer considered a planet) With the image of Calima below as the SUN.

 

 

 

Umm...Alex? I hate to throw a kink in everything you wrote out, but:

 

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast17feb99_1.htm

 

 

It's a long article (worth reading though) but the gist of it is "Mistaken reports that the IAU intended to strip Pluto of its planetary status caused an uproar among astronomers and in the popular press. It seems that Pluto is a sentimental favorite to remain a planet among both scientists and the public."

 

 

BTW, did you get that e-mail I sent you on 9/30?

 

 

Chris L.

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>>

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:56 AM

Subject: [pota] POTA 2001 being a complete story

Thade knowing about the Pod in the water just proves that he know knows that
Leo is from 'somewhere else'.

-Joe

 

I fully agree and I'm aware of the Thade issue. I just think it's a lot more to ask If Thade is the one going to earth's past than Semos. After all Semos living and working with Humans knew all to well the full story as well as knowing a lot more than Thade when it came to the Space Pods and the Oberon's data base.

Human History, Planet Earth, Ape History on Earth, ect. ect. ect.

 

Either one can change the past, Thade or Semos (only one ape) but Semos knew a hundred times more than Thade so using Semos would make a lot more sence. Using Thade, you would have to really be streching it a bit.

 

When you look at Leo Davidson's issue, going into the space pod to get supplies rather than rising the ship from the water it does kind of make you think. If he used the pod to travel to Calima he would have made it there a lot quicker. But he didn't because that baby was dead in the water. And now thade is going to fix it?

 

I don't know about that. Again it's a hell of a strech.

This same storyline was used in Escape but in that case a sequel was never planed and it was the only way to remove themselves from a painted corner.

POTA 2001 is no different than POTA Original. It is a complete story within itself and not a soap opera. It has to be because if the movie bombs at the box office. your then stuck with a half told story.

 

And this is why all first films are ALWAYS complete stories.

Unless you film sequels at the sametime as they're doing now with Lord of the Rings.

 

MY WISDOM IS FLOWING LIKE A RIVER BABY...YEAH!! :o)

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:11 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: The Semos with the most (spoiler)

In a message dated 10/6/01 4:49:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prophecysite@... writes:

No need to be insulting Rory, just because you couldn't figure it out.

Don't blame me, blame your own wisdom.

Best.
Al

What are you talking about?  Oh, maybe it has to do with Christ.  Well, yes, I don't believe in Christ and I don't believe in any man-made concept of God.  It's all fairy tales to me.  And being that this is a free country (well, nearly anyway), I have a right to my way of thinking and expressing it.  Sorry if that insults anyone, but I can understand how the free thinking of others bothers some people.

Best,
Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:58 PM

Subject: [pota] Final refection for the day.

Just another random reflection.

Put your hands over your ears for this one Rory, if not your going to have a heart attack. :o)

 

3 CROSSES OVER HESTON'S BED. symbol of the Oberon.

With his famous cameo quote: "Damn them all to hell."

 

Oh my.. :o)

 

Best.

Al

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:58 PM

Subject: [pota] Final refection for the day.

Just another random reflection.

Put your hands over your ears for this one Rory, if not your going to have a heart attack. :o)

 

3 CROSSES OVER HESTON'S BED. symbol of the Oberon.

With his famous cameo quote: "Damn them all to hell."

 

Oh my.. :o)

 

Best.

Al

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 9:28
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: The Semos with the most (spoiler)

Whether you believe in Christ or not, it's a classic tale and it stands to reason that storytellers (of which Burton is one, kinda) would co-opt it. But Rory! He died for your sins. That's gratitude!

 

                                                                    - - - - Jeff

 

Please Jeff, don't get Rory started on that again. :o)

I repect his views.

 

Me, I believe in Big Foot and the Joly green giant.

But hey, that's me. And I'm sure Rory respects that as well.

Oh, and Mickey Mouse, sorry Mike.

 

Best.

Al

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:34 PM

Subject: [pota] Flowing

Ummm, Alex, if SEMOS travels back, then why is THADE'S name and head on the Lincoln Memorial?

 

To say that POTA 2001 is a complete story, with an ending like that, is very naive.  It is like saying SW4 (1977) is a complete story.  Yes there is a chance the sequel may not happen, but it was always INTENDED as is POTA 2001 Part 2.

 

That wasn't your wisdom flowing Al, it was something else. :)

 

 Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 3:57
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA 2001 being a complete story

Thade knowing about the Pod in the water just proves that he know knows that
Leo is from 'somewhere else'.

-Joe

 

I fully agree and I'm aware of the Thade issue. I just think it's a lot more to ask If Thade is the one going to earth's past than Semos. After all Semos living and working with Humans knew all to well the full story as well as knowing a lot more than Thade when it came to the Space Pods and the Oberon's data base.

Human History, Planet Earth, Ape History on Earth, ect. ect. ect.

 

Either one can change the past, Thade or Semos (only one ape) but Semos knew a hundred times more than Thade so using Semos would make a lot more sence. Using Thade, you would have to really be streching it a bit.

 

When you look at Leo Davidson's issue, going into the space pod to get supplies rather than rising the ship from the water it does kind of make you think. If he used the pod to travel to Calima he would have made it there a lot quicker. But he didn't because that baby was dead in the water. And now thade is going to fix it?

 

I don't know about that. Again it's a hell of a strech.

This same storyline was used in Escape but in that case a sequel was never planed and it was the only way to remove themselves from a painted corner.

POTA 2001 is no different than POTA Original. It is a complete story within itself and not a soap opera. It has to be because if the movie bombs at the box office. your then stuck with a half told story.

 

And this is why all first films are ALWAYS complete stories.

Unless you film sequels at the sametime as they're doing now with Lord of the Rings.

 

MY WISDOM IS FLOWING LIKE A RIVER BABY...YEAH!! :o)

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:34 PM

Subject: [pota] Flowing

Ummm, Alex, if SEMOS travels back, then why is THADE'S name and head on the Lincoln Memorial?

 

To say that POTA 2001 is a complete story, with an ending like that, is very naive.  It is like saying SW4 (1977) is a complete story.  Yes there is a chance the sequel may not happen, but it was always INTENDED as is POTA 2001 Part 2.

 

That wasn't your wisdom flowing Al, it was something else. :)

 

 Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 3:57
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA 2001 being a complete story

Thade knowing about the Pod in the water just proves that he know knows that
Leo is from 'somewhere else'.

-Joe

 

I fully agree and I'm aware of the Thade issue. I just think it's a lot more to ask If Thade is the one going to earth's past than Semos. After all Semos living and working with Humans knew all to well the full story as well as knowing a lot more than Thade when it came to the Space Pods and the Oberon's data base.

Human History, Planet Earth, Ape History on Earth, ect. ect. ect.

 

Either one can change the past, Thade or Semos (only one ape) but Semos knew a hundred times more than Thade so using Semos would make a lot more sence. Using Thade, you would have to really be streching it a bit.

 

When you look at Leo Davidson's issue, going into the space pod to get supplies rather than rising the ship from the water it does kind of make you think. If he used the pod to travel to Calima he would have made it there a lot quicker. But he didn't because that baby was dead in the water. And now thade is going to fix it?

 

I don't know about that. Again it's a hell of a strech.

This same storyline was used in Escape but in that case a sequel was never planed and it was the only way to remove themselves from a painted corner.

POTA 2001 is no different than POTA Original. It is a complete story within itself and not a soap opera. It has to be because if the movie bombs at the box office. your then stuck with a half told story.

 

And this is why all first films are ALWAYS complete stories.

Unless you film sequels at the sametime as they're doing now with Lord of the Rings.

 

MY WISDOM IS FLOWING LIKE A RIVER BABY...YEAH!! :o)

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:14 PM

Subject: [pota] IMAGE OF SEMOS

No need to repeat yourself, just share out the acid and stop keeping it all for yourself. :)

 

Personally I think you are reading FAR too much into this and you will not know whether you are spouting wisdom or horse shit until the movie is released (and while I believe there WILL be a sequel, who knows?).  Even if you are wise and you have deciphered hidden messages, what if you get a whole new crew for the sequel?  They may just say "Screw that" and go another way.

 

Admit that you do not know and I will agree you are wise.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 10:27
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: IMAGE OF SEMOS

Where did this image come from?

 

Michael

 

 

It came off the official web site as well as the movie itself.

When Attar is praying to Semos in the Tent.

 

As for the rest Mike, I'm not going to repeat myself again.

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] IMAGE OF SEMOS


> In a message dated 10/6/01 5:17:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
> CheeseGOTAS@... writes:
>
> << Yeah, maybe Semos is gay, too. You know, he does have a purple
triangle
> on
> his head. >>
>
> Yeah, and Roddy McDowall played Cornelius, and their first choice was Rock
> Hudson, and Tim Roth won't do his own stunts. Makes you wonder about him
too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 1:05 PM

Subject: [pota] PLUTO

On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:14:45 -0400 "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...> writes:

If you'd notice the image of Semos, there are 7 stars (planets) with Semos being the 8th. A total of 8 Planets. 8 Planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer considered a planet) With the image of Calima below as the SUN.

 

 

 

Umm...Alex? I hate to throw a kink in everything you wrote out, but:

 

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast17feb99_1.htm

 

 

It's a long article (worth reading though) but the gist of it is "Mistaken reports that the IAU intended to strip Pluto of its planetary status caused an uproar among astronomers and in the popular press. It seems that Pluto is a sentimental favorite to remain a planet among both scientists and the public."

 

 

BTW, did you get that e-mail I sent you on 9/30?

 

 

Chris L.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:11 PM

Subject: [pota] giving away the ending

In a message dated 9/30/01 4:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

Is that the same chronology that (for BENEATH) they used a still from BATTLE showing Kolp and Alma with the Alpha-Omega bomb? The same scene that isn't even in the U.S. version of BATTLE? This has gotta be the same person who put the Statue of Liberty ending on the cover of PLANET.

Morons!


Chris L.

 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:11:23 EDT Haristas@... writes:

The people working at Fox Video just aren't knowledgeable APES' fans.  Twenty-three years ago I should have moved to California and tried to get a job with them, but I had no idea then that APES was in the kind of hands it's in.  At least the Aussies had Ken "Taylor!" (as if Nova were saying it).  As for the Statue of Liberty on the PLANET cover, I've talked about this before, but I was just thinking the other day that we really should blame the Fox of 1969-70.  I think it was a mistake to start BENEATH with the ending of PLANET.  That classic final image should only be seen at the end of the original.  But then, I don't think anyone had an idea PLANET was a classic back then; it was just one of Fox's bigger hits.

-- Rory

 

It would've been interesting if they had left that scene out, because those unfamiliar with the story would've had the shock of discovering that the planet was actually Earth the same time Brent did (essentially then, they would've pulled off the same 'twist' twice). However, I'm guessing that most people who went to see BENEATH when it was first out had already seen PLANET and (obviously) knew the ending, thus using the scene in BENEATH was probably viewed as a means of establishing continuity.

 

One of the things I always liked about BENEATH as a sequel was the fact that it was a story unto itself as opposed to a rehash of the original. If you watch PLANET and BENEATH back to back and try to see it as one long story, it doesn't work. They're independent of each other, and to me that speaks to the overall strength of BENEATH. 

 

 

Chris L.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:34 PM

Subject: [pota] Just go spend $2 000!

Well, the cheapest DVD player you can get here that won't end up in the trash a month later is about $250 - $300 US.

 

You really have to watch out for cheap ones that don't play some DVDs.

 

And would you REALLY bother with an INFERIOR surround system?  My amplifier alone cost $1100 and the speakers a further $1400.  All I need noe is a sub-woofer and that itself will cost more than you are talking buying a whole system for!!  I listened to a few cheaper systems and they were cheaper for a REASON!!!  It was a bit like comparing POTA to that thing Burton and Alex re-imagined.  You only really need to see the inferior 2001 version once and you know what you would pay more for!:) hehehehehehe

 

Michael

 -----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 23:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Just go spend $2 000!

In a message dated 10/6/01 6:42:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Yeah go on.

Send the bill to Rory and Joe (and put the blame on me!).

Michael

You can get a DVD player for $150.00 and a decent surround system for $250.00.   $400 to $500 dollars.  What's that?  How much did you all spend on Medicoms?!!!  Hunks of plastic!!!!

Man!  His wisdom walks hand and hand with his idiocy!

-- Rory




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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:56 PM

Subject: [pota] Aley Aley Aley Oop

Alex,

 

I said a LONG time ago thet there were Biblical overtones in the movie.  I do get it.  Remember I was the first to mention how Semos is and anagram of Moses and Leo is "the Lion" - much of the Old Testament refers to Christ as the Lion.

 

Now, how you can take that further and interpret the plot for the sequel is beyond me.  Then you proclaim wisdom because you propose an hypothesis.

 

Alex, that cluster of stars behind Semos is the Southern Cross.  This was used to help James Cook navigate the Endeavour, which was eventually responsible for the English population of much of the Southern Hemisphere.

 

So is it logical to interpret that Semos is an Aussie (or a New Zealander)?  Or is it Jesus that is an Aussie?  Or can we conclude that Semos visited down under and smoked some shit that made him float?

 

All the above are just as wise as your interpretation, Alex.

 

Now let me just clarify the points I actually made:

 

(1) Yes, there are many Biblical overtones and links.

 

(2) While it is fun to look for a deeper meaning in a puddle, you cannot go so far as to claim that you know for sure what you are claiming.  You could be right, and I am very happy for you if you are, but even if you are right it does not mean they will stick to this plot or plan if there is a sequel.  PS I think your hypothesis is very well founded and creative, but I think you need to allow for the fact that it is only an hypothesis.

 

Now I know I can't be any more clear than this.  I just explained it to my 6 year old daughter and she understands.  If you stilldon't get it I'll attempt to have her explain it to you (again):)

 

I think you are already taking this a bit personally, but I hope not because that is not how it is intended.

 

Mikey Mikey Mikey

 

PS When I lived in the US in 1983 I introduced myself as "Mick" and NOBODY understood me - I had to say "Mickey - but leave off the 'ey' ".  Then after Mick Dundee did his thing, the next time I came to the US I introduced myself as Mike and everybody called me Mick.  I seem to have now evolved to Mikey.  COOL!

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 20:51
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Mikey Mikey Mikey...

Admit that you do not know and I will agree you are wise.

 

Michael

 

 

Well the one thing I will admit is that you don't have to know anything about the bible to understand the out come of the film. Pretty much the image of Semos does speak for itself. Now as to why you didn't get? I'm affraid I can't anwser that for you.

 

Best.

Al

 

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