Yes, we hold chats one or two nights a week and everyone who comes in says
they love the movie. I've said it before and I'll say it again that this was
the best movie I've seen in a long time. I just saw Hearts in Atlantis and it
was another let down. With all the crap that Hollywood has produced this year
it makes me love the new movie even more. I don't try to compare this film to
the original because that was a classic and will never be replaced. I do
think the new film was better than most of the sequels except maybe Escape.
I'm sure I'll get hate mail for that.

Loc

In a message dated 10/8/01 8:58:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< In a message dated 10/8/01 6:49:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< As it turns out, the general consensus is that POTA 2001 is VERY
disappointing. But you think it is great Alex so good for you, and most of
us here will conclude from this that you are easily pleased and that you
were so positive about the project, you refuse to see how poor the result
was. But you are happy so I am happy for you. >>

Saying that to him would be saying that to me, too. Why can't you just
enjoy
the movie for what it's worth? You don't have to compare it to the older
movies, and make your conclusion based off that.

<< As it turns out, you were wrong. The movie was a major disappointment. >>

Actually, I've only heard that the movie sucks from people at this group.
Locutus and I hold chats once a week on Fridays or Saturdays (or both,
sometimes), and everyone that we don't know has come in and has said that
they enjoyed the new movie. I don't think I've heard a negetive comment
about it in the chat.

Anyway, I think this arguement is pointless, seeing that it is not going
anywhere. Alex has his own ideas that he believes. He could be right, he
could be wrong. Maybe, when the next movie comes out, he'll be laughing in
our faces because his ideas were right, or maybe we'll be laughing in his
because they were wrong. It doesn't matter all that much. Alex is just
guessing about the new movie, and I believe that it's a great guess.

The point is, get along, have fun, discuss Apes, talk about the next movie,
just don't turn other peoples ideas into shit. After all, they are just
ideas.

-Joe

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And where was this when Alex was explaining why it was NOT there?

Come on.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2001 9:18
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] PLUTO
>
>
> In a message dated 10/8/01 6:03:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << What, with a speck of dust you are now claiming is Pluto
> because suddenly
> everyone says Pluto is a planet? Are you sure that isn't the
> mark you left
> when your brain fell out Alex?
>
> Amazing how you claim one thing, then another when that is challenged!
>
> Michael
> >>
>
> Third star from the left. There's a tiny speck to its right with its own
> glow. Look harder.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> You can get a DVD player for $150.00 and a decent surround system for
> $250.00.   $400 to $500 dollars.  What's that?

Yeah, but don't forget a nice big TV too - if you're going to go for the
whole hog, you'll be wanting a massive telly too!

Alan

Yeah, I currently have a 32 inch 'telly' (don't know what that is in metric), but I want something bigger.  I'm just waiting for these digital TVs to come down in price.  But now with this economy going in the tank, who knows?!

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.html In a message dated 10/8/01 7:49:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I have let this go for a LONG time Alex, thinking to myself "that's just poor old Alex being enthusiastic".

But when I give my opinion and you dismiss it by being condescending to me instead of just saying "Yes I know I can't PROVE it but I do believe it", you go too far.

Michael



Michael, stop wasting your time trying to reason with Alex.  He's Cubian.  There's no reasoning with those people.  I know, my step-father was Cubian, and when he made up his mind he was right about something, that was that.  We just have to ignore Alex.  He's mad, I tell you.  Hopelessly MAD!

-- Rory


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Point taken Joe.

I am also very happy for you too hat you think it is a great movie. I felt
bitterly disappointed and thought it was weak as hell.

We have already agreed that a FAVOURITE movie is that for many reasons (hey,
I still really like the deja-vu I get when watching Battle - but I do not
claim it is a good movie!!!).

I thought there were a lot of good things about POTA 2001 (make-up, acting,
originality, Paul Giantini's (SP?) character - it just was so rushed and
could have been a lot better.

Problem is, Alex will not admit that it is just a guess (and I have already
said I think it is a good guess too) and when challenged he starts name
calling and throwing stones (a bit like his hero Thade). This is just not
acceptable to me and no should anyone have to put up with it.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2001 11:18
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Wanna bet on it?
>
>
> In a message dated 10/8/01 6:49:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << As it turns out, the general consensus is that POTA 2001 is VERY
> disappointing. But you think it is great Alex so good for you,
> and most of
> us here will conclude from this that you are easily pleased and that you
> were so positive about the project, you refuse to see how poor the result
> was. But you are happy so I am happy for you. >>
>
> Saying that to him would be saying that to me, too. Why can't
> you just enjoy
> the movie for what it's worth? You don't have to compare it to the older
> movies, and make your conclusion based off that.
>
> << As it turns out, you were wrong. The movie was a major
> disappointment. >>
>
> Actually, I've only heard that the movie sucks from people at
> this group.
> Locutus and I hold chats once a week on Fridays or Saturdays (or both,
> sometimes), and everyone that we don't know has come in and has said that
> they enjoyed the new movie. I don't think I've heard a negetive comment
> about it in the chat.
>
> Anyway, I think this arguement is pointless, seeing that it is not going
> anywhere. Alex has his own ideas that he believes. He could be
> right, he
> could be wrong. Maybe, when the next movie comes out, he'll be
> laughing in
> our faces because his ideas were right, or maybe we'll be laughing in his
> because they were wrong. It doesn't matter all that much. Alex is just
> guessing about the new movie, and I believe that it's a great guess.
>
> The point is, get along, have fun, discuss Apes, talk about the
> next movie,
> just don't turn other peoples ideas into shit. After all, they are just
> ideas.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Actually, I've only heard that the movie sucks from people at this group.  

Go on the Internet Movie Database and read most of the comments on POTA 2001.  I like the one where a guy said he felt like crying when he left the theatre, it was so bad.  I know how he felt.

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No hate mail, I just don't agree.

I'm happy you like it, I just needed more (maybe I'm just greedy!).

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: locutusatwolf359@... [locutusatwolf359@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2001 13:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Wanna bet on it?
>
>
> Yes, we hold chats one or two nights a week and everyone who
> comes in says
> they love the movie. I've said it before and I'll say it again
> that this was
> the best movie I've seen in a long time. I just saw Hearts in
> Atlantis and it
> was another let down. With all the crap that Hollywood has
> produced this year
> it makes me love the new movie even more. I don't try to compare
> this film to
> the original because that was a classic and will never be replaced. I do
> think the new film was better than most of the sequels except
> maybe Escape.
> I'm sure I'll get hate mail for that.
>
> Loc
>
> In a message dated 10/8/01 8:58:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
> CheeseGOTAS@... writes:
>
> << In a message dated 10/8/01 6:49:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << As it turns out, the general consensus is that POTA 2001 is VERY
> disappointing. But you think it is great Alex so good for you,
> and most of
> us here will conclude from this that you are easily pleased and that you
> were so positive about the project, you refuse to see how poor
> the result
> was. But you are happy so I am happy for you. >>
>
> Saying that to him would be saying that to me, too. Why can't you just
> enjoy
> the movie for what it's worth? You don't have to compare it to
> the older
> movies, and make your conclusion based off that.
>
> << As it turns out, you were wrong. The movie was a major
> disappointment. >>
>
> Actually, I've only heard that the movie sucks from people at
> this group.
> Locutus and I hold chats once a week on Fridays or Saturdays (or both,
> sometimes), and everyone that we don't know has come in and has
> said that
> they enjoyed the new movie. I don't think I've heard a negetive comment
> about it in the chat.
>
> Anyway, I think this arguement is pointless, seeing that it is not going
> anywhere. Alex has his own ideas that he believes. He could be
> right, he
> could be wrong. Maybe, when the next movie comes out, he'll be
> laughing in
> our faces because his ideas were right, or maybe we'll be
> laughing in his
> because they were wrong. It doesn't matter all that much. Alex is just
> guessing about the new movie, and I believe that it's a great guess.
>
> The point is, get along, have fun, discuss Apes, talk about the
> next movie,
> just don't turn other peoples ideas into shit. After all, they are just
> ideas.
>
> -Joe
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlChris count me in on the TV series,has great sentimental value.i am looking forward to the TV spots anything as of Roddy on Talk shows promoting the 74 series maybe on Johnny Carson OR Merve Griffin! and the still Gallery! And the good clear picture quality.Bryan<.html

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I'm looking forward to the TV show DVD because I loved that show and I
never dreamed Fox would release it on DVD. But the Burton flick is a close
runner-up because I'd like the opportunity to examine it closer. I think
most people were disappointed in it but those who truly hated it probably
didn't see it again to watch it on it's own terms. This will finally give us
all a chance to render an educated verdict.

- - -
- Jeff

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: [pota] DVD vote


> Thought I'd get a discussion going here, so: which upcoming POTA DVD
> release are you MORE looking forward to- the TV Series or the Burton
> film? Being a huge fan of the series, it'll be nice to finally get
> complete, uncut versions of the episodes. Sci-Fi Channel used to butcher
> those so badly, going as far as to cut out Urko's final lines at the end
> of 'The Tyrant". But the saving grace there was Roddy's commentary, which
> would've been nice to include with this release.
>
> And I believe I've already (barf) made my feeling known (puke) about the
> new film (blows chunks) so I'm not going to get into that discussion
> again. ;-)
>
> So let your thoughts be known!
>
>
> Chris L.
> ____

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I think "Battle" does some things that's very valid. By showing the apes,
who we rooted for in "Conquest", to be fuck ups too. Actually I never
considered this before. What if the saga had ended with "Conquest"? It would
be like one of those "happily ever after" stories. Just because the apes are
in charge, everything is all right? "Battle" gives it some ambiguity. I
think alot of "Battle"'s execution is off, but it's overall point is very
valid and a worthy conclusion.
-
- - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] giving away the ending


> On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:49:40 EDT MTotsky@... writes:
>
> > You know, one of the reasons I like POTA so much is because of the
> > saga. I like the way the first four films work as a complete story.
> BATTLE
> > is a throwaway and doesn't advance the story so that's why I could care
>
> > less about it.
>
>
> I have to disagree with your comments about BATTLE. It's been defended on
> this list before (and quite well by that one guy who wrote that three
> part essay a month or so back). I believe it does advance the story
> inasmuch as you get to see the result of the events of CONQUEST (at the
> beginning of the film) and the main bulk of the story is about Caesar
> trying to learn what had happened so far (the history of his parents and
> the original 'Planet') and how to avoid the fate that had already
> befallen the Earth once. The relationship between apes and humans is
> somewhat improved at the end of the film, but questions remain i.e. how
> long will the goodwill last between the two species, what will the
> mutants do next since even though they lost the war they still have the
> Alpha-Omega bomb, and so forth. The extended version of the film is
> better, but if you really want to get the full gist of the story you
> should read Marvel's adaptation.
>
>
> Chris L.
> ____

This is one of the best reviews I've read of the new film.
If you're not into setup intros, and it's a long one, skip down to Barrel of
Monkeys.


Joey Baloney goes Ape shit! July 27, 2001


They're Trying to Make a Monkey Out of Me

By now you all must be sick and tired of reading my "A funny thing happened
on the way to…" stories. I can just picture the schmoes sitting at their
collective computers, yelling at the monitor "Get to the fucking point!" Yet
somehow I can't resist boring you with all the details of the bizarre
circumstances that seem to surround every single one of my trips to New York
City.

In case you haven't realized yet, I was invited by the fine folks at Fox to a
screening of Tim Burton's "re-imagining" of PLANET OF THE APES this past
Tuesday. I was told to arrive "EARLY" for the "all media screening" at the
prestigious (???) Ziegfeld Theater in Midtown Manhattan. I strolled down
Seventh Avenue around 6pm thinking I'm way ahead of the game considering the
screening wasn't schedule to begin until 7:30. When I finally arrived, I was
asked for my ticket by the woman at the door and I told her I was with the
press and I didn't have a ticket (déjà vu all over again…). She pointed to a
line and told me to wait there and check in on the guest list. I followed her
pointing finger and saw the longest line I've ever been privy to. Here's a
transcript of the conversation that followed:

JB: (pointing to the line) This line?

Fox: (looking in another direction) Yes, that line?

JB: This one right here. The one that snakes around the corner and around the
next corner. The one that is almost completely circling an entire New York
City block.

Fox: (still not looking) Yes.

JB: (confused) But, I'm Joey Baloney. (Beat). From JoBlo.com?…

I didn't have the same success with that line as I did for JAY AND SILENT
BOB. Disgruntled and disoriented, I walked to the end of the line. ALL the
way to the end. I was standing there (at this point, I couldn't even see the
theater) in the 100+ degree temperatures thinking, "There must be a mix-up."
Everyone around me had these tickets with them - the kind they give to
recruits. I figure I should go up and ask again, just to make sure.

I leave my spot in line and walk back to the entrance of the theater and find
a new Fox rep to annoy. This time I try the ole' Baloney charm:

JB: Damn baby! You're so sweet, I'm gettin' a cavity just looking at you!

Fox: Excuse me?

JB: (flustered) Umm…uhh...are those galaxy shorts your wearing?

Fox: What? Why?

JB: Cause yo ass is outta this world!

I spent the next half-hour trying to wash the pepper spray from my eyes.
Red-eyed and bleary, I figured I better just get back in line and continue to
wait. And wait. Meanwhile the sun was cooking me in a salty marinade of my
own perspiration. After about an hour of standing around like a goon, I
finally got close to the front of the building. Then I saw something that
made my heart sink. The people checking tickets and guest list names weren't
checking anymore. They're just telling people to "Go, go, go" and waving
their hands frantically in a sweeping motion. People started running. I
started running. I didn't even know why. I was just running towards the
theater entrance.

In all my 23 years of life, I've never actually had a door slammed in my face
before (not literally anyway). It's truly a humbling experience. I'm just
beginning to think I'm somebody (Mister Baloney, let me usher you to your VIP
seat…) when a short, fat Indian woman slammed the door in my face and latched
the deadbolt. "No! No more seat!" I could actually feel the forces aligning
against me.

I wasn't giving up that easy - I was going to have it out with someone. The
theater manager already came out to "speak with us" (by us, I'm referring to
the 15 or so people that were left high and dry) but offered no answers. I
walked towards the door with a determined look on my face. Now, I don't know
if this woman saw the psychotic glint in my eye or just felt like doing her
good deed of the day, but as I walked towards her she whispered, "Just go in.
There are a few seats left." I barely muttered a "thanks" as I scooted up the
escalator and left a cloud of dust in my wake.

Now picture this: This is a theater that's approximately the size Rhode
Island (give or take a few hectacres). Now try to find one of the maybe ten
random, empty seats in an auditorium that has more levels than Yankee
Stadium. As if that weren't hard enough every time I thought I found an empty
seat I'd hear "Oh, somebody's sitting here." Then it dawned on me - the
crappiest seats in theater-dom. The front row. And sure enough, there was one
lone, empty seat directly in front of the screen. I sat down, relaxed and
tried to get comfortable. I was thinking about how goddamn lucky I got (or
they got, depending on how you look at it) when I started to smell a funk
from the guy next to me. I sniffed him in the most inconspicuous way I could,
then realized he wasn't the one who stunk. It was me. All that standing and
running in the intense summer heat had my armpits working overtime.
Embarrassed beyond belief, I slunk as far down as I could and stared straight
up in the sky as the curtains pulled back and PLANET OF THE APES began.

A Barrel of Monkeys

The film starts off with close-up shots of different ape armor and regalia as
we're treated to some of the best work composer Danny Elfman has done in a
long time. Strong, brooding, and other fancy adjectives I can't think of.
After the title sequence, we see Mark Wahlberg as Capt. Leo Davidson aboard a
space station with some fellow humans and cages of "genetically enhanced"
monkeys they're using as test pilots (if you're anything like me, you can
already see where this is heading…). Leo's chimp buddy gets sent out in a
space pod (not unlike the ones in SPACEBALLS) to investigate an electrical
storm but they soon lose all contact with him. Leo decides not to heed the
warnings of his colleagues and heads out to save the chimp and investigate
the disturbance for himself. Next thing you know, he's warping years ahead
into the future and crash landing on a strange planet. A planet of apes.
Hence, PLANET OF THE APES.

From there you can pretty much imagine where the story goes. Man gets
captured by apes. Man gets enslaved by apes. Man escapes with fellow humans
and his ape love interest and leads a rebellion against those damn dirty
apes. While at times I found the script, written mostly by William Broyles
Jr. who also wrote CAST AWAY and APOLLO 13, fairly pedestrian (that'll be 10
cents please), I wasn't there for the script. I wanted apes. More
importantly, I wanted actors in really convincing ape suits kicking ass and
making monkey noises. And I certainly was not disappointed.

APES is definitely a fun ride. It's an ideal blend of camp and craft that had
me (and the rest of the audience) laughing at how bad it was, yet captivated
enough to clap and cheer when the apes get their comeuppance. There were some
really funny allusions to the original PLANET OF THE APES (when Charlton
Heston busted out with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" the whole place
went nuts) that kept things from getting too serious.

Bizarre Love Triangle

Tim Roth does a capable job, grunting and growling as the evil General Thade,
but Mark Wahlberg's performance was flatter than Kate Hudson in a sports bra.
Somebody get this kid some smelling salts for chrissake. Meanwhile, Estella
Warren looks like she should be on the cover of Vanity Fair B.C. (who knew
the ape planet had lip gloss?…) and Leo barely looks at her twice. He's too
caught up with Helena Bonham-Carter's Ari, an ape fighting hard for human
rights. Leo and Ari flirt during the majority of their time on screen but a
small kiss is all that's left of their rumored love scene. All Estella Warren
can do is look on in disgust at these two while you can tell she just wants
to grab Leo by the collar and scream, "Do you see these tits? They're huge!
She's a monkey for shit's sake!"

I won't ruin the "surprise" ending of the film here (that's already been done
elsewhere) but I will say that it was one of the few possibilities I had
heard rumored a few months ago. It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever and
winds up being totally ridiculous. You'll probably spend some time after the
film's over trying to figure it out, but don't waste your time. It's not
worth the effort.

If you're a film school snob who can't put substance aside and simply enjoy a
flick that may be a bit silly and mindless at parts, stay home and watch
DANCER IN THE DARK on DVD. If you're just looking to see an enjoyable movie
with killer action sequences and amazing makeup, plunk down your $8 this
weekend and let your mind go for two hours. You'll be glad you did. Over and
out...

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From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Letters to Fox on Return cartoon!

Has anyone had any luck with this as of yet, responses from Fox or otherwise? If they're willing to release the TV series, getting them to put out the animated series wouldn't be too much of a stretch. I'd even be willing to write up a form letter and e-mail it to the group for everyone to cut and paste. Maybe we (the list, that is) could send it to them the same day, hopefully making some kind of impression. We could also cross-post the letter to all the sites and see if they could generate some additional e-mails.

 

What does everyone think?

 

 

Chris L.

  

 

In a message dated 8/31/01 4:44:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

I have been sent this e-mail address from Fox Broadcasting:

foxmovies@...

Now, I haven't sent anything yet, and I don't know if this is the studio or
the home video division.

BUT. . . it's worth a try.  Let the e-mail requests commence.

-- Rory

 

 

 

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:16:03 EDT Haristas@... writes:

 

Yeah what's the address for letters to Fox.  
I'd like to write.

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From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:44 PM

Subject: [pota] film pacing

This is something I wanted to comment on but never got around to. The story of the new film seems so rushed, so forced, so over before it even starts. And the strange thing is, the original has a slightly shorter running time, but that story takes place over the course of a couple of months (at least). Rory is right- writing good narrative films (especially ones that take place over a period of time) is slowly becoming a lost art. I can't think of a recent film that even attempted to do this save for Cast Away, and that even used that (somewhat annoying) "two months later" device. Actually, "Ghost World" (now in theatres) comes to mind now that I think about it- that story takes place over an entire summer and it doesn't feel at all rushed. Before that, you'd have to go back to John Sayles "Lone Star" from 1996. Even though the story only takes place over the course of a week or so, the pacing is absolutely amazing. 

 

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:06:30 EDT Haristas@... writes:

Boy, do I know how your husband feels.  I really think Hollywood has lost the
art of doing good narrative film.  Everything seems just aimed at the lowest
common denominator.  Everybody at Fox is probably slapping each other on the back over the 'success' of the new PLANET OF THE APES, and that's fine I
guess since just making money off crap seems to be more and more what the
Hollywood studios are all about.

-- Rory

 

 

In a message dated 8/2/01 4:41:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
boiledkelp@... writes:

I'm actually quite sad that we won't have a revival of something good to see
in theatres for a few years to come; that is, we won't have a really,
really
a$$-kicking POTA series. Not that all the sequels to the original were
kick-ass. Well, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll make the second new POTA
with driven characters and heart wrenching/pounding plot developement.
It's either that or it's like my husband commented:
"You know, I haven't seen a fantastic - I mean really fantastic - movie in
five or six years!"
They don't all have to be "fantastic", unless of course, they claim to be.
In that event, then they damn well better be!

All we really need is good story, good writing, good acting. Is that really
so diffiult to find in hollywood? It seems the answer is for the most part
yes.
The 2 movies I enjoyed most last year were both foreign. Not a hint of
tinsel on them.

jvb

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:46 PM

Subject: [pota] Wow...

Michael, stop wasting your time trying to reason with Alex.  He's Cubian.  There's no reasoning with those people.  I know, my step-father was Cubian, and when he made up his mind he was right about something, that was that.  We just have to ignore Alex.  He's mad, I tell you.  Hopelessly MAD!

-- Rory

wow...

Exit stage left on that.

 

Best.

Al

 

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From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:57 PM

Subject: [pota] Planet apes Chronicals Book

Anyone know why there is no release date yet on this delayed book?My book store said oct but they show no date and none in where house and no info from the publisher?If any one knows let me know,Bryan
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Hey. Alex's ending theory is in movieheadlines.net. That means Burton will
see it and use it in the sequel. I think you owe him $1000, Michael. Rory
will pay half.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:17 PM
Subject: [pota] New Zoo Review



This is one of the best reviews I've read of the new film.
If you're not into setup intros, and it's a long one, skip down to Barrel of
Monkeys.


Joey Baloney goes Ape shit! July 27, 2001


They're Trying to Make a Monkey Out of Me

By now you all must be sick and tired of reading my "A funny thing happened
on the way to…" stories. I can just picture the schmoes sitting at their
collective computers, yelling at the monitor "Get to the fucking point!" Yet
somehow I can't resist boring you with all the details of the bizarre
circumstances that seem to surround every single one of my trips to New York
City.

In case you haven't realized yet, I was invited by the fine folks at Fox to
a
screening of Tim Burton's "re-imagining" of PLANET OF THE APES this past
Tuesday. I was told to arrive "EARLY" for the "all media screening" at the
prestigious (???) Ziegfeld Theater in Midtown Manhattan. I strolled down
Seventh Avenue around 6pm thinking I'm way ahead of the game considering the
screening wasn't schedule to begin until 7:30. When I finally arrived, I was
asked for my ticket by the woman at the door and I told her I was with the
press and I didn't have a ticket (déjà vu all over again…). She pointed to a
line and told me to wait there and check in on the guest list. I followed
her
pointing finger and saw the longest line I've ever been privy to. Here's a
transcript of the conversation that followed:

JB: (pointing to the line) This line?

Fox: (looking in another direction) Yes, that line?

JB: This one right here. The one that snakes around the corner and around
the
next corner. The one that is almost completely circling an entire New York
City block.

Fox: (still not looking) Yes.

JB: (confused) But, I'm Joey Baloney. (Beat). From JoBlo.com?…

I didn't have the same success with that line as I did for JAY AND SILENT
BOB. Disgruntled and disoriented, I walked to the end of the line. ALL the
way to the end. I was standing there (at this point, I couldn't even see the
theater) in the 100+ degree temperatures thinking, "There must be a mix-up."
Everyone around me had these tickets with them - the kind they give to
recruits. I figure I should go up and ask again, just to make sure.

I leave my spot in line and walk back to the entrance of the theater and
find
a new Fox rep to annoy. This time I try the ole' Baloney charm:

JB: Damn baby! You're so sweet, I'm gettin' a cavity just looking at you!

Fox: Excuse me?

JB: (flustered) Umm…uhh...are those galaxy shorts your wearing?

Fox: What? Why?

JB: Cause yo ass is outta this world!

I spent the next half-hour trying to wash the pepper spray from my eyes.
Red-eyed and bleary, I figured I better just get back in line and continue
to
wait. And wait. Meanwhile the sun was cooking me in a salty marinade of my
own perspiration. After about an hour of standing around like a goon, I
finally got close to the front of the building. Then I saw something that
made my heart sink. The people checking tickets and guest list names weren't
checking anymore. They're just telling people to "Go, go, go" and waving
their hands frantically in a sweeping motion. People started running. I
started running. I didn't even know why. I was just running towards the
theater entrance.

In all my 23 years of life, I've never actually had a door slammed in my
face
before (not literally anyway). It's truly a humbling experience. I'm just
beginning to think I'm somebody (Mister Baloney, let me usher you to your
VIP
seat…) when a short, fat Indian woman slammed the door in my face and
latched
the deadbolt. "No! No more seat!" I could actually feel the forces aligning
against me.

I wasn't giving up that easy - I was going to have it out with someone. The
theater manager already came out to "speak with us" (by us, I'm referring to
the 15 or so people that were left high and dry) but offered no answers. I
walked towards the door with a determined look on my face. Now, I don't know
if this woman saw the psychotic glint in my eye or just felt like doing her
good deed of the day, but as I walked towards her she whispered, "Just go
in.
There are a few seats left." I barely muttered a "thanks" as I scooted up
the
escalator and left a cloud of dust in my wake.

Now picture this: This is a theater that's approximately the size Rhode
Island (give or take a few hectacres). Now try to find one of the maybe ten
random, empty seats in an auditorium that has more levels than Yankee
Stadium. As if that weren't hard enough every time I thought I found an
empty
seat I'd hear "Oh, somebody's sitting here." Then it dawned on me - the
crappiest seats in theater-dom. The front row. And sure enough, there was
one
lone, empty seat directly in front of the screen. I sat down, relaxed and
tried to get comfortable. I was thinking about how goddamn lucky I got (or
they got, depending on how you look at it) when I started to smell a funk
from the guy next to me. I sniffed him in the most inconspicuous way I
could,
then realized he wasn't the one who stunk. It was me. All that standing and
running in the intense summer heat had my armpits working overtime.
Embarrassed beyond belief, I slunk as far down as I could and stared
straight
up in the sky as the curtains pulled back and PLANET OF THE APES began.

A Barrel of Monkeys

The film starts off with close-up shots of different ape armor and regalia
as
we're treated to some of the best work composer Danny Elfman has done in a
long time. Strong, brooding, and other fancy adjectives I can't think of.
After the title sequence, we see Mark Wahlberg as Capt. Leo Davidson aboard
a
space station with some fellow humans and cages of "genetically enhanced"
monkeys they're using as test pilots (if you're anything like me, you can
already see where this is heading…). Leo's chimp buddy gets sent out in a
space pod (not unlike the ones in SPACEBALLS) to investigate an electrical
storm but they soon lose all contact with him. Leo decides not to heed the
warnings of his colleagues and heads out to save the chimp and investigate
the disturbance for himself. Next thing you know, he's warping years ahead
into the future and crash landing on a strange planet. A planet of apes.
Hence, PLANET OF THE APES.

From there you can pretty much imagine where the story goes. Man gets
captured by apes. Man gets enslaved by apes. Man escapes with fellow humans
and his ape love interest and leads a rebellion against those damn dirty
apes. While at times I found the script, written mostly by William Broyles
Jr. who also wrote CAST AWAY and APOLLO 13, fairly pedestrian (that'll be 10
cents please), I wasn't there for the script. I wanted apes. More
importantly, I wanted actors in really convincing ape suits kicking ass and
making monkey noises. And I certainly was not disappointed.

APES is definitely a fun ride. It's an ideal blend of camp and craft that
had
me (and the rest of the audience) laughing at how bad it was, yet captivated
enough to clap and cheer when the apes get their comeuppance. There were
some
really funny allusions to the original PLANET OF THE APES (when Charlton
Heston busted out with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" the whole place
went nuts) that kept things from getting too serious.

Bizarre Love Triangle

Tim Roth does a capable job, grunting and growling as the evil General
Thade,
but Mark Wahlberg's performance was flatter than Kate Hudson in a sports
bra.
Somebody get this kid some smelling salts for chrissake. Meanwhile, Estella
Warren looks like she should be on the cover of Vanity Fair B.C. (who knew
the ape planet had lip gloss?…) and Leo barely looks at her twice. He's too
caught up with Helena Bonham-Carter's Ari, an ape fighting hard for human
rights. Leo and Ari flirt during the majority of their time on screen but a
small kiss is all that's left of their rumored love scene. All Estella
Warren
can do is look on in disgust at these two while you can tell she just wants
to grab Leo by the collar and scream, "Do you see these tits? They're huge!
She's a monkey for shit's sake!"

I won't ruin the "surprise" ending of the film here (that's already been
done
elsewhere) but I will say that it was one of the few possibilities I had
heard rumored a few months ago. It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever and
winds up being totally ridiculous. You'll probably spend some time after the
film's over trying to figure it out, but don't waste your time. It's not
worth the effort.

If you're a film school snob who can't put substance aside and simply enjoy
a
flick that may be a bit silly and mindless at parts, stay home and watch
DANCER IN THE DARK on DVD. If you're just looking to see an enjoyable movie
with killer action sequences and amazing makeup, plunk down your $8 this
weekend and let your mind go for two hours. You'll be glad you did. Over and
out...

Happy Columbus Day, everybody. I don't know why they named a day after
Chris Columbus. They aren't even 100% positive that "Harry Potter" will be a
hit. But he did try to launch a new "Apes", and who knows? Maybe it would've
been better than Burton's.

-
- - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:17 PM
Subject: [pota] New Zoo Review



This is one of the best reviews I've read of the new film.
If you're not into setup intros, and it's a long one, skip down to Barrel of
Monkeys.


Joey Baloney goes Ape shit! July 27, 2001


They're Trying to Make a Monkey Out of Me

By now you all must be sick and tired of reading my "A funny thing happened
on the way to…" stories. I can just picture the schmoes sitting at their
collective computers, yelling at the monitor "Get to the fucking point!" Yet
somehow I can't resist boring you with all the details of the bizarre
circumstances that seem to surround every single one of my trips to New York
City.

In case you haven't realized yet, I was invited by the fine folks at Fox to
a
screening of Tim Burton's "re-imagining" of PLANET OF THE APES this past
Tuesday. I was told to arrive "EARLY" for the "all media screening" at the
prestigious (???) Ziegfeld Theater in Midtown Manhattan. I strolled down
Seventh Avenue around 6pm thinking I'm way ahead of the game considering the
screening wasn't schedule to begin until 7:30. When I finally arrived, I was
asked for my ticket by the woman at the door and I told her I was with the
press and I didn't have a ticket (déjà vu all over again…). She pointed to a
line and told me to wait there and check in on the guest list. I followed
her
pointing finger and saw the longest line I've ever been privy to. Here's a
transcript of the conversation that followed:

JB: (pointing to the line) This line?

Fox: (looking in another direction) Yes, that line?

JB: This one right here. The one that snakes around the corner and around
the
next corner. The one that is almost completely circling an entire New York
City block.

Fox: (still not looking) Yes.

JB: (confused) But, I'm Joey Baloney. (Beat). From JoBlo.com?…

I didn't have the same success with that line as I did for JAY AND SILENT
BOB. Disgruntled and disoriented, I walked to the end of the line. ALL the
way to the end. I was standing there (at this point, I couldn't even see the
theater) in the 100+ degree temperatures thinking, "There must be a mix-up."
Everyone around me had these tickets with them - the kind they give to
recruits. I figure I should go up and ask again, just to make sure.

I leave my spot in line and walk back to the entrance of the theater and
find
a new Fox rep to annoy. This time I try the ole' Baloney charm:

JB: Damn baby! You're so sweet, I'm gettin' a cavity just looking at you!

Fox: Excuse me?

JB: (flustered) Umm…uhh...are those galaxy shorts your wearing?

Fox: What? Why?

JB: Cause yo ass is outta this world!

I spent the next half-hour trying to wash the pepper spray from my eyes.
Red-eyed and bleary, I figured I better just get back in line and continue
to
wait. And wait. Meanwhile the sun was cooking me in a salty marinade of my
own perspiration. After about an hour of standing around like a goon, I
finally got close to the front of the building. Then I saw something that
made my heart sink. The people checking tickets and guest list names weren't
checking anymore. They're just telling people to "Go, go, go" and waving
their hands frantically in a sweeping motion. People started running. I
started running. I didn't even know why. I was just running towards the
theater entrance.

In all my 23 years of life, I've never actually had a door slammed in my
face
before (not literally anyway). It's truly a humbling experience. I'm just
beginning to think I'm somebody (Mister Baloney, let me usher you to your
VIP
seat…) when a short, fat Indian woman slammed the door in my face and
latched
the deadbolt. "No! No more seat!" I could actually feel the forces aligning
against me.

I wasn't giving up that easy - I was going to have it out with someone. The
theater manager already came out to "speak with us" (by us, I'm referring to
the 15 or so people that were left high and dry) but offered no answers. I
walked towards the door with a determined look on my face. Now, I don't know
if this woman saw the psychotic glint in my eye or just felt like doing her
good deed of the day, but as I walked towards her she whispered, "Just go
in.
There are a few seats left." I barely muttered a "thanks" as I scooted up
the
escalator and left a cloud of dust in my wake.

Now picture this: This is a theater that's approximately the size Rhode
Island (give or take a few hectacres). Now try to find one of the maybe ten
random, empty seats in an auditorium that has more levels than Yankee
Stadium. As if that weren't hard enough every time I thought I found an
empty
seat I'd hear "Oh, somebody's sitting here." Then it dawned on me - the
crappiest seats in theater-dom. The front row. And sure enough, there was
one
lone, empty seat directly in front of the screen. I sat down, relaxed and
tried to get comfortable. I was thinking about how goddamn lucky I got (or
they got, depending on how you look at it) when I started to smell a funk
from the guy next to me. I sniffed him in the most inconspicuous way I
could,
then realized he wasn't the one who stunk. It was me. All that standing and
running in the intense summer heat had my armpits working overtime.
Embarrassed beyond belief, I slunk as far down as I could and stared
straight
up in the sky as the curtains pulled back and PLANET OF THE APES began.

A Barrel of Monkeys

The film starts off with close-up shots of different ape armor and regalia
as
we're treated to some of the best work composer Danny Elfman has done in a
long time. Strong, brooding, and other fancy adjectives I can't think of.
After the title sequence, we see Mark Wahlberg as Capt. Leo Davidson aboard
a
space station with some fellow humans and cages of "genetically enhanced"
monkeys they're using as test pilots (if you're anything like me, you can
already see where this is heading…). Leo's chimp buddy gets sent out in a
space pod (not unlike the ones in SPACEBALLS) to investigate an electrical
storm but they soon lose all contact with him. Leo decides not to heed the
warnings of his colleagues and heads out to save the chimp and investigate
the disturbance for himself. Next thing you know, he's warping years ahead
into the future and crash landing on a strange planet. A planet of apes.
Hence, PLANET OF THE APES.

From there you can pretty much imagine where the story goes. Man gets
captured by apes. Man gets enslaved by apes. Man escapes with fellow humans
and his ape love interest and leads a rebellion against those damn dirty
apes. While at times I found the script, written mostly by William Broyles
Jr. who also wrote CAST AWAY and APOLLO 13, fairly pedestrian (that'll be 10
cents please), I wasn't there for the script. I wanted apes. More
importantly, I wanted actors in really convincing ape suits kicking ass and
making monkey noises. And I certainly was not disappointed.

APES is definitely a fun ride. It's an ideal blend of camp and craft that
had
me (and the rest of the audience) laughing at how bad it was, yet captivated
enough to clap and cheer when the apes get their comeuppance. There were
some
really funny allusions to the original PLANET OF THE APES (when Charlton
Heston busted out with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" the whole place
went nuts) that kept things from getting too serious.

Bizarre Love Triangle

Tim Roth does a capable job, grunting and growling as the evil General
Thade,
but Mark Wahlberg's performance was flatter than Kate Hudson in a sports
bra.
Somebody get this kid some smelling salts for chrissake. Meanwhile, Estella
Warren looks like she should be on the cover of Vanity Fair B.C. (who knew
the ape planet had lip gloss?…) and Leo barely looks at her twice. He's too
caught up with Helena Bonham-Carter's Ari, an ape fighting hard for human
rights. Leo and Ari flirt during the majority of their time on screen but a
small kiss is all that's left of their rumored love scene. All Estella
Warren
can do is look on in disgust at these two while you can tell she just wants
to grab Leo by the collar and scream, "Do you see these tits? They're huge!
She's a monkey for shit's sake!"

I won't ruin the "surprise" ending of the film here (that's already been
done
elsewhere) but I will say that it was one of the few possibilities I had
heard rumored a few months ago. It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever and
winds up being totally ridiculous. You'll probably spend some time after the
film's over trying to figure it out, but don't waste your time. It's not
worth the effort.

If you're a film school snob who can't put substance aside and simply enjoy
a
flick that may be a bit silly and mindless at parts, stay home and watch
DANCER IN THE DARK on DVD. If you're just looking to see an enjoyable movie
with killer action sequences and amazing makeup, plunk down your $8 this
weekend and let your mind go for two hours. You'll be glad you did. Over and
out...

Did they arrive?

<< Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics
of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
ARI (helena bonham carter) >>

They're just scattered about.
I did a google search but most of the pics are either the publicity shots you
see everywhere or the ones from magazine articles. Much like the interviews,
they're either the same or there weren't that many to begin with. If you
find any let me know! We can trade.

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/01 2:04:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I
think alot of "Battle"'s execution is off, but it's overall point is very
valid and a worthy conclusion.
                                                                         -
- - Jeff

A LOT!   A LOT!!!!!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/01 2:47:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Enough already. What's Alex done that he deserves to be dog piled on?

As I've said before, it's all a big goof.  Say goofy things, goofy things happen.  AND HE STARTED IT!!!!!   Going to open up a can of Cuban whoop-ass on me, eh?   Like I said, GOOFY!!!

But, I agree now.  Enough already.<.html

Remember in the old days when people didn't like to look at Ari?

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Pictures


>
> << Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics
> of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
> ARI (helena bonham carter) >>
>
> They're just scattered about.
> I did a google search but most of the pics are either the publicity shots
you
> see everywhere or the ones from magazine articles. Much like the
interviews,
> they're either the same or there weren't that many to begin with. If you
> find any let me know! We can trade.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/01 12:42:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daisyduckbr@... writes:

Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics
of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
ARI (helena bonham carter) ?

NO!!!!   Go away!<.html

.htmlClick here: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/images/gold/full/2701.swf

Wow!!   Sideshow Toy is coming out with a 12" figure from the "Outer Limits" episode "The Sixth Finger."   This is make-up that John Chambers did back in 1964.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 10/8/01 10:28:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< Go on the Internet Movie Database and read most of the comments on POTA
2001.
I like the one where a guy said he felt like crying when he left the
theatre, it was so bad. I know how he felt. >>

But those are just OTHER peoples opinion, not mine.

<< Yes and read a few review too - they are nasty!

>>

Again - 'But those are just OTHER peoples opinion, not mine.'

-Joe

In a message dated 10/9/01 1:20:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I thought there were a lot of good things about POTA 2001 (make-up, acting,
originality, Paul Giantini's (SP?) character - it just was so rushed and
could have been a lot better.

Problem is, Alex will not admit that it is just a guess (and I have already
said I think it is a good guess too) and when challenged he starts name
calling and throwing stones (a bit like his hero Thade). This is just not
acceptable to me and no should anyone have to put up with it.

Michael >>

I think some of it was rushed, but not a lot.

I think Alex has a great guess at the next movie, but, as you say, it is a
guess. I think he's just carrying this on to piss you off, Michael. I think
he knows it's a guess, and he's going on with this little 'game' to make you
mad.

Anyway, Alex, just say it is a guess. I mean, if you do, you'll get even
more respect, seeing that it is a spectacular one.

Thanks.

-Joe

In a message dated 10/9/01 1:18:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<<

> Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics
> of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
> ARI (helena bonham carter) ?
>
>
>

NO!!!! Go away! >>

Don't pay any attention to Rory. He's just an old grump. I'll go search
from some picture. I'll get back on this later.

-Joe

In a message dated 10/9/01 3:11:43 PM, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< > Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics

> of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
> ARI (helena bonham carter) ?
>
>
>

NO!!!! Go away! >>

Don't pay any attention to Rory. He's just an old grump. I'll go search
from some picture. I'll get back on this later. >>

Did anyone see the pictures of Helena Bonham Carter (sans makeup) in Maxim
magazine a few months back? Hubba hubba.....

Matt

.html <.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Letters to Fox on Return cartoon!

Has anyone had any luck with this as of yet, responses from Fox or otherwise? If they're willing to release the TV series, getting them to put out the animated series wouldn't be too much of a stretch. I'd even be willing to write up a form letter and e-mail it to the group for everyone to cut and paste. Maybe we (the list, that is) could send it to them the same day, hopefully making some kind of impression. We could also cross-post the letter to all the sites and see if they could generate some additional e-mails.

 

What does everyone think?

 

 

Chris L.

  

 

In a message dated 8/31/01 4:44:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

I have been sent this e-mail address from Fox Broadcasting:

foxmovies@...

Now, I haven't sent anything yet, and I don't know if this is the studio or
the home video division.

BUT. . . it's worth a try.  Let the e-mail requests commence.

-- Rory

 

 

 

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:16:03 EDT Haristas@... writes:

 

Yeah what's the address for letters to Fox.  
I'd like to write.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Yeah, but you just blew it by calling it a "theory".

Sorry Jeff, but I will happily pay you $1 000 because I think you are cute.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2001 17:02
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Alex gets the last word
>
>
> Hey. Alex's ending theory is in movieheadlines.net. That means
> Burton will
> see it and use it in the sequel. I think you owe him $1000, Michael. Rory
> will pay half.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:17 PM
> Subject: [pota] New Zoo Review
>
>
>
> This is one of the best reviews I've read of the new film.
> If you're not into setup intros, and it's a long one, skip down
> to Barrel of
> Monkeys.
>
>
> Joey Baloney goes Ape shit! July 27, 2001
>
>
> They're Trying to Make a Monkey Out of Me
>
> By now you all must be sick and tired of reading my "A funny
> thing happened
> on the way to…" stories. I can just picture the schmoes sitting at their
> collective computers, yelling at the monitor "Get to the fucking
> point!" Yet
> somehow I can't resist boring you with all the details of the bizarre
> circumstances that seem to surround every single one of my trips
> to New York
> City.
>
> In case you haven't realized yet, I was invited by the fine folks
> at Fox to
> a
> screening of Tim Burton's "re-imagining" of PLANET OF THE APES this past
> Tuesday. I was told to arrive "EARLY" for the "all media screening" at the
> prestigious (???) Ziegfeld Theater in Midtown Manhattan. I strolled down
> Seventh Avenue around 6pm thinking I'm way ahead of the game
> considering the
> screening wasn't schedule to begin until 7:30. When I finally
> arrived, I was
> asked for my ticket by the woman at the door and I told her I was with the
> press and I didn't have a ticket (déjà vu all over again…). She
> pointed to a
> line and told me to wait there and check in on the guest list. I followed
> her
> pointing finger and saw the longest line I've ever been privy to. Here's a
> transcript of the conversation that followed:
>
> JB: (pointing to the line) This line?
>
> Fox: (looking in another direction) Yes, that line?
>
> JB: This one right here. The one that snakes around the corner and around
> the
> next corner. The one that is almost completely circling an entire New York
> City block.
>
> Fox: (still not looking) Yes.
>
> JB: (confused) But, I'm Joey Baloney. (Beat). From JoBlo.com?…
>
> I didn't have the same success with that line as I did for JAY AND SILENT
> BOB. Disgruntled and disoriented, I walked to the end of the line. ALL the
> way to the end. I was standing there (at this point, I couldn't
> even see the
> theater) in the 100+ degree temperatures thinking, "There must be
> a mix-up."
> Everyone around me had these tickets with them - the kind they give to
> recruits. I figure I should go up and ask again, just to make sure.
>
> I leave my spot in line and walk back to the entrance of the theater and
> find
> a new Fox rep to annoy. This time I try the ole' Baloney charm:
>
> JB: Damn baby! You're so sweet, I'm gettin' a cavity just looking at you!
>
> Fox: Excuse me?
>
> JB: (flustered) Umm…uhh...are those galaxy shorts your wearing?
>
> Fox: What? Why?
>
> JB: Cause yo ass is outta this world!
>
> I spent the next half-hour trying to wash the pepper spray from my eyes.
> Red-eyed and bleary, I figured I better just get back in line and continue
> to
> wait. And wait. Meanwhile the sun was cooking me in a salty marinade of my
> own perspiration. After about an hour of standing around like a goon, I
> finally got close to the front of the building. Then I saw something that
> made my heart sink. The people checking tickets and guest list
> names weren't
> checking anymore. They're just telling people to "Go, go, go" and waving
> their hands frantically in a sweeping motion. People started running. I
> started running. I didn't even know why. I was just running towards the
> theater entrance.
>
> In all my 23 years of life, I've never actually had a door slammed in my
> face
> before (not literally anyway). It's truly a humbling experience. I'm just
> beginning to think I'm somebody (Mister Baloney, let me usher you to your
> VIP
> seat…) when a short, fat Indian woman slammed the door in my face and
> latched
> the deadbolt. "No! No more seat!" I could actually feel the
> forces aligning
> against me.
>
> I wasn't giving up that easy - I was going to have it out with
> someone. The
> theater manager already came out to "speak with us" (by us, I'm
> referring to
> the 15 or so people that were left high and dry) but offered no answers. I
> walked towards the door with a determined look on my face. Now, I
> don't know
> if this woman saw the psychotic glint in my eye or just felt like
> doing her
> good deed of the day, but as I walked towards her she whispered, "Just go
> in.
> There are a few seats left." I barely muttered a "thanks" as I scooted up
> the
> escalator and left a cloud of dust in my wake.
>
> Now picture this: This is a theater that's approximately the size Rhode
> Island (give or take a few hectacres). Now try to find one of the
> maybe ten
> random, empty seats in an auditorium that has more levels than Yankee
> Stadium. As if that weren't hard enough every time I thought I found an
> empty
> seat I'd hear "Oh, somebody's sitting here." Then it dawned on me - the
> crappiest seats in theater-dom. The front row. And sure enough, there was
> one
> lone, empty seat directly in front of the screen. I sat down, relaxed and
> tried to get comfortable. I was thinking about how goddamn lucky I got (or
> they got, depending on how you look at it) when I started to smell a funk
> from the guy next to me. I sniffed him in the most inconspicuous way I
> could,
> then realized he wasn't the one who stunk. It was me. All that
> standing and
> running in the intense summer heat had my armpits working overtime.
> Embarrassed beyond belief, I slunk as far down as I could and stared
> straight
> up in the sky as the curtains pulled back and PLANET OF THE APES began.
>
> A Barrel of Monkeys
>
> The film starts off with close-up shots of different ape armor and regalia
> as
> we're treated to some of the best work composer Danny Elfman has done in a
> long time. Strong, brooding, and other fancy adjectives I can't think of.
> After the title sequence, we see Mark Wahlberg as Capt. Leo
> Davidson aboard
> a
> space station with some fellow humans and cages of "genetically enhanced"
> monkeys they're using as test pilots (if you're anything like me, you can
> already see where this is heading…). Leo's chimp buddy gets sent out in a
> space pod (not unlike the ones in SPACEBALLS) to investigate an electrical
> storm but they soon lose all contact with him. Leo decides not to heed the
> warnings of his colleagues and heads out to save the chimp and investigate
> the disturbance for himself. Next thing you know, he's warping years ahead
> into the future and crash landing on a strange planet. A planet of apes.
> Hence, PLANET OF THE APES.
>
> >From there you can pretty much imagine where the story goes. Man gets
> captured by apes. Man gets enslaved by apes. Man escapes with
> fellow humans
> and his ape love interest and leads a rebellion against those damn dirty
> apes. While at times I found the script, written mostly by William Broyles
> Jr. who also wrote CAST AWAY and APOLLO 13, fairly pedestrian
> (that'll be 10
> cents please), I wasn't there for the script. I wanted apes. More
> importantly, I wanted actors in really convincing ape suits
> kicking ass and
> making monkey noises. And I certainly was not disappointed.
>
> APES is definitely a fun ride. It's an ideal blend of camp and craft that
> had
> me (and the rest of the audience) laughing at how bad it was, yet
> captivated
> enough to clap and cheer when the apes get their comeuppance. There were
> some
> really funny allusions to the original PLANET OF THE APES (when Charlton
> Heston busted out with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" the whole place
> went nuts) that kept things from getting too serious.
>
> Bizarre Love Triangle
>
> Tim Roth does a capable job, grunting and growling as the evil General
> Thade,
> but Mark Wahlberg's performance was flatter than Kate Hudson in a sports
> bra.
> Somebody get this kid some smelling salts for chrissake.
> Meanwhile, Estella
> Warren looks like she should be on the cover of Vanity Fair B.C. (who knew
> the ape planet had lip gloss?…) and Leo barely looks at her
> twice. He's too
> caught up with Helena Bonham-Carter's Ari, an ape fighting hard for human
> rights. Leo and Ari flirt during the majority of their time on
> screen but a
> small kiss is all that's left of their rumored love scene. All Estella
> Warren
> can do is look on in disgust at these two while you can tell she
> just wants
> to grab Leo by the collar and scream, "Do you see these tits?
> They're huge!
> She's a monkey for shit's sake!"
>
> I won't ruin the "surprise" ending of the film here (that's already been
> done
> elsewhere) but I will say that it was one of the few possibilities I had
> heard rumored a few months ago. It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever and
> winds up being totally ridiculous. You'll probably spend some
> time after the
> film's over trying to figure it out, but don't waste your time. It's not
> worth the effort.
>
> If you're a film school snob who can't put substance aside and
> simply enjoy
> a
> flick that may be a bit silly and mindless at parts, stay home and watch
> DANCER IN THE DARK on DVD. If you're just looking to see an
> enjoyable movie
> with killer action sequences and amazing makeup, plunk down your $8 this
> weekend and let your mind go for two hours. You'll be glad you
> did. Over and
> out...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Wow!!   Sideshow Toy is coming out with a 12" figure from the "Outer Limits" episode "The Sixth Finger."   This is make-up that John Chambers did back in 1964.

-- Rory

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I know that Joe, you were saying that it is mainly this group who don't like
Burton's movie and that EVERYONE in the other live chat group loves it. I
thought you may have been suggesting there is an overall balance and that
the norm is that people liked it.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 4:53
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Wanna bet on it?
>
>
> In a message dated 10/8/01 10:28:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> << Go on the Internet Movie Database and read most of the
> comments on POTA
> 2001.
> I like the one where a guy said he felt like crying when he left the
> theatre, it was so bad. I know how he felt. >>
>
> But those are just OTHER peoples opinion, not mine.
>
> << Yes and read a few review too - they are nasty!
> >>
>
> Again - 'But those are just OTHER peoples opinion, not mine.'
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

He's like the proverbial Troll under the bridge - stop scaring Ari fans away
Rory!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 5:14
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Pictures
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/9/01 3:11:43 PM, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:
>
> << > Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics
> > of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
> > ARI (helena bonham carter) ?
> >
> >
> >
>
> NO!!!! Go away! >>
>
> Don't pay any attention to Rory. He's just an old grump. I'll go search
> from some picture. I'll get back on this later. >>
>
> Did anyone see the pictures of Helena Bonham Carter (sans makeup)
> in Maxim
> magazine a few months back? Hubba hubba.....
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/9/01 5:11:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Or if we can get an insider working at Fox...... >>

That's what we need.
Then they can tell me where to send my script!

Hey, what kind of player do I need to back up discs to tape?

I made my usual trek to up the odds for a sequel.
I was surprised to see it was the captions edition.
That was different! And interesting, if a little distracting.
The captions were fairly accurate, and I picked up a word or two
And it was a nice new print too! No streaming dust storm on it.

In a message dated 10/9/01 5:21:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Hey, it is really the FIFTH finger (a thumb is not a finger). >>

Does anyone remember Sixth Finger the toy.
It was a toy gun that looked like a finger.
And when you shoot it the finger tip shoot out.

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Hey, it is really the FIFTH finger (a thumb is not a finger).

Michael



Guess which finger I'm holding up.   hehehehehe

-- Rory<.html

It looks like JP III will beat POTA2K1 to the 180 mil mark, if it hasn't
done so already. And it remains in the lead by a couple few places. But
still close.

21 JP III $284,955 $179,798,075
24 POTA2K1 $209,748 $178,094,583

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In a message dated 10/9/01 10:13:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< The link I gave was too the dealer that sells them. >>

What link?

<<Don't pay any attention to Rory. He's just an old grump. >>

<<Pay no attention to Rory.
He's a bitter old crank.>>

Funny, I wrote this before I read yours.
GMTA

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:31 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out http://www.sideshowtoy.com/images/gold/full/2701.swf

Click here: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/images/gold/full/2701.swf

Wow!!   Sideshow Toy is coming out with a 12" figure from the "Outer Limits" episode "The Sixth Finger."   This is make-up that John Chambers did back in 1964.

-- Rory

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That's fine, Michael. As I said, Rory will pay half.

- - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: [pota] Alex gets the last word (yeah - like, shock me!).


> Yeah, but you just blew it by calling it a "theory".
>
> Sorry Jeff, but I will happily pay you $1 000 because I think you are
cute.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2001 17:02
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Alex gets the last word
> >
> >
> > Hey. Alex's ending theory is in movieheadlines.net. That means
> > Burton will
> > see it and use it in the sequel. I think you owe him $1000, Michael.
Rory
> > will pay half.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <LordTZer0@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:17 PM
> > Subject: [pota] New Zoo Review
> >
> >
> >
> > This is one of the best reviews I've read of the new film.
> > If you're not into setup intros, and it's a long one, skip down
> > to Barrel of
> > Monkeys.
> >
> >
> > Joey Baloney goes Ape shit! July 27, 2001
> >
> >
> > They're Trying to Make a Monkey Out of Me
> >
> > By now you all must be sick and tired of reading my "A funny
> > thing happened
> > on the way to…" stories. I can just picture the schmoes sitting at their
> > collective computers, yelling at the monitor "Get to the fucking
> > point!" Yet
> > somehow I can't resist boring you with all the details of the bizarre
> > circumstances that seem to surround every single one of my trips
> > to New York
> > City.
> >
> > In case you haven't realized yet, I was invited by the fine folks
> > at Fox to
> > a
> > screening of Tim Burton's "re-imagining" of PLANET OF THE APES this past
> > Tuesday. I was told to arrive "EARLY" for the "all media screening" at
the
> > prestigious (???) Ziegfeld Theater in Midtown Manhattan. I strolled down
> > Seventh Avenue around 6pm thinking I'm way ahead of the game
> > considering the
> > screening wasn't schedule to begin until 7:30. When I finally
> > arrived, I was
> > asked for my ticket by the woman at the door and I told her I was with
the
> > press and I didn't have a ticket (déjà vu all over again…). She
> > pointed to a
> > line and told me to wait there and check in on the guest list. I
followed
> > her
> > pointing finger and saw the longest line I've ever been privy to. Here's
a
> > transcript of the conversation that followed:
> >
> > JB: (pointing to the line) This line?
> >
> > Fox: (looking in another direction) Yes, that line?
> >
> > JB: This one right here. The one that snakes around the corner and
around
> > the
> > next corner. The one that is almost completely circling an entire New
York
> > City block.
> >
> > Fox: (still not looking) Yes.
> >
> > JB: (confused) But, I'm Joey Baloney. (Beat). From JoBlo.com?…
> >
> > I didn't have the same success with that line as I did for JAY AND
SILENT
> > BOB. Disgruntled and disoriented, I walked to the end of the line. ALL
the
> > way to the end. I was standing there (at this point, I couldn't
> > even see the
> > theater) in the 100+ degree temperatures thinking, "There must be
> > a mix-up."
> > Everyone around me had these tickets with them - the kind they give to
> > recruits. I figure I should go up and ask again, just to make sure.
> >
> > I leave my spot in line and walk back to the entrance of the theater and
> > find
> > a new Fox rep to annoy. This time I try the ole' Baloney charm:
> >
> > JB: Damn baby! You're so sweet, I'm gettin' a cavity just looking at
you!
> >
> > Fox: Excuse me?
> >
> > JB: (flustered) Umm…uhh...are those galaxy shorts your wearing?
> >
> > Fox: What? Why?
> >
> > JB: Cause yo ass is outta this world!
> >
> > I spent the next half-hour trying to wash the pepper spray from my eyes.
> > Red-eyed and bleary, I figured I better just get back in line and
continue
> > to
> > wait. And wait. Meanwhile the sun was cooking me in a salty marinade of
my
> > own perspiration. After about an hour of standing around like a goon, I
> > finally got close to the front of the building. Then I saw something
that
> > made my heart sink. The people checking tickets and guest list
> > names weren't
> > checking anymore. They're just telling people to "Go, go, go" and waving
> > their hands frantically in a sweeping motion. People started running. I
> > started running. I didn't even know why. I was just running towards the
> > theater entrance.
> >
> > In all my 23 years of life, I've never actually had a door slammed in my
> > face
> > before (not literally anyway). It's truly a humbling experience. I'm
just
> > beginning to think I'm somebody (Mister Baloney, let me usher you to
your
> > VIP
> > seat…) when a short, fat Indian woman slammed the door in my face and
> > latched
> > the deadbolt. "No! No more seat!" I could actually feel the
> > forces aligning
> > against me.
> >
> > I wasn't giving up that easy - I was going to have it out with
> > someone. The
> > theater manager already came out to "speak with us" (by us, I'm
> > referring to
> > the 15 or so people that were left high and dry) but offered no answers.
I
> > walked towards the door with a determined look on my face. Now, I
> > don't know
> > if this woman saw the psychotic glint in my eye or just felt like
> > doing her
> > good deed of the day, but as I walked towards her she whispered, "Just
go
> > in.
> > There are a few seats left." I barely muttered a "thanks" as I scooted
up
> > the
> > escalator and left a cloud of dust in my wake.
> >
> > Now picture this: This is a theater that's approximately the size Rhode
> > Island (give or take a few hectacres). Now try to find one of the
> > maybe ten
> > random, empty seats in an auditorium that has more levels than Yankee
> > Stadium. As if that weren't hard enough every time I thought I found an
> > empty
> > seat I'd hear "Oh, somebody's sitting here." Then it dawned on me - the
> > crappiest seats in theater-dom. The front row. And sure enough, there
was
> > one
> > lone, empty seat directly in front of the screen. I sat down, relaxed
and
> > tried to get comfortable. I was thinking about how goddamn lucky I got
(or
> > they got, depending on how you look at it) when I started to smell a
funk
> > from the guy next to me. I sniffed him in the most inconspicuous way I
> > could,
> > then realized he wasn't the one who stunk. It was me. All that
> > standing and
> > running in the intense summer heat had my armpits working overtime.
> > Embarrassed beyond belief, I slunk as far down as I could and stared
> > straight
> > up in the sky as the curtains pulled back and PLANET OF THE APES began.
> >
> > A Barrel of Monkeys
> >
> > The film starts off with close-up shots of different ape armor and
regalia
> > as
> > we're treated to some of the best work composer Danny Elfman has done in
a
> > long time. Strong, brooding, and other fancy adjectives I can't think
of.
> > After the title sequence, we see Mark Wahlberg as Capt. Leo
> > Davidson aboard
> > a
> > space station with some fellow humans and cages of "genetically
enhanced"
> > monkeys they're using as test pilots (if you're anything like me, you
can
> > already see where this is heading…). Leo's chimp buddy gets sent out in
a
> > space pod (not unlike the ones in SPACEBALLS) to investigate an
electrical
> > storm but they soon lose all contact with him. Leo decides not to heed
the
> > warnings of his colleagues and heads out to save the chimp and
investigate
> > the disturbance for himself. Next thing you know, he's warping years
ahead
> > into the future and crash landing on a strange planet. A planet of apes.
> > Hence, PLANET OF THE APES.
> >
> > >From there you can pretty much imagine where the story goes. Man gets
> > captured by apes. Man gets enslaved by apes. Man escapes with
> > fellow humans
> > and his ape love interest and leads a rebellion against those damn dirty
> > apes. While at times I found the script, written mostly by William
Broyles
> > Jr. who also wrote CAST AWAY and APOLLO 13, fairly pedestrian
> > (that'll be 10
> > cents please), I wasn't there for the script. I wanted apes. More
> > importantly, I wanted actors in really convincing ape suits
> > kicking ass and
> > making monkey noises. And I certainly was not disappointed.
> >
> > APES is definitely a fun ride. It's an ideal blend of camp and craft
that
> > had
> > me (and the rest of the audience) laughing at how bad it was, yet
> > captivated
> > enough to clap and cheer when the apes get their comeuppance. There were
> > some
> > really funny allusions to the original PLANET OF THE APES (when Charlton
> > Heston busted out with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" the whole
place
> > went nuts) that kept things from getting too serious.
> >
> > Bizarre Love Triangle
> >
> > Tim Roth does a capable job, grunting and growling as the evil General
> > Thade,
> > but Mark Wahlberg's performance was flatter than Kate Hudson in a sports
> > bra.
> > Somebody get this kid some smelling salts for chrissake.
> > Meanwhile, Estella
> > Warren looks like she should be on the cover of Vanity Fair B.C. (who
knew
> > the ape planet had lip gloss?…) and Leo barely looks at her
> > twice. He's too
> > caught up with Helena Bonham-Carter's Ari, an ape fighting hard for
human
> > rights. Leo and Ari flirt during the majority of their time on
> > screen but a
> > small kiss is all that's left of their rumored love scene. All Estella
> > Warren
> > can do is look on in disgust at these two while you can tell she
> > just wants
> > to grab Leo by the collar and scream, "Do you see these tits?
> > They're huge!
> > She's a monkey for shit's sake!"
> >
> > I won't ruin the "surprise" ending of the film here (that's already been
> > done
> > elsewhere) but I will say that it was one of the few possibilities I had
> > heard rumored a few months ago. It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever
and
> > winds up being totally ridiculous. You'll probably spend some
> > time after the
> > film's over trying to figure it out, but don't waste your time. It's not
> > worth the effort.
> >
> > If you're a film school snob who can't put substance aside and
> > simply enjoy
> > a
> > flick that may be a bit silly and mindless at parts, stay home and watch
> > DANCER IN THE DARK on DVD. If you're just looking to see an
> > enjoyable movie
> > with killer action sequences and amazing makeup, plunk down your $8 this
> > weekend and let your mind go for two hours. You'll be glad you
> > did. Over and
> > out...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Where did you find it? It's history around here.

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA


>
>
> I made my usual trek to up the odds for a sequel.
> I was surprised to see it was the captions edition.
> That was different! And interesting, if a little distracting.
> The captions were fairly accurate, and I picked up a word or two
> And it was a nice new print too! No streaming dust storm on it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:04 PM

Subject: [pota] PLANET OF THE APES COLLECTION

NEW DVD BOX SET

Strange, the only thing i see new is T.V. Spots.

I guess I'll be sending another king's ransom for this.

 

http://www.fox.co.uk/home_ent/synopsis/planet_of_the_apes_collection.html"

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:23 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: DVD

What link?

The link I gave, silly.

Just kidding. :o)

 

Here it is. It's the DVD player for $169.00

 

http://search.ebaystores.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&sid=2420509&store=www.cmttrading.com&colorid=6&fp=0&query=dvd+region+free+player&srchdesc=y

 

Or you can spend $500.00 dollars on an awesome DVD region free player that can't play all regions and can't record on VHS like Mike did. And counldn't spend less because he couldn't figure out that there was such a thing as Voltage Converter.

 

I'm still in a state of shock over that one.

 

Best.

Al

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 14:24
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: DVD

What link?

The link I gave, silly.

Just kidding. :o)

 

Here it is. It's the DVD player for $169.00

 

http://search.ebaystores.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&sid=2420509&store=www.cmttrading.com&colorid=6&fp=0&query=dvd+region+free+player&srchdesc=y

 

Or you can spend $500.00 dollars on an awesome DVD region free player that can't play all regions and can't record on VHS like Mike did. And counldn't spend less because he couldn't figure out that there was such a thing as Voltage Converter.

 

I'm still in a state of shock over that one.

 

Best.

Al

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:27 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: PLANET OF THE APES COLLECTION

That's the UK version. You won't even be able to play it.

 

 

Well I would be able to play it on my DVD region free player (plays both Pal and NTSC on US televisions) believe me I've already placed it to the test, but for T.V. Spots? I'm not about to spend money on the same that I already have on DVD. T.V. Spots would be great but I'm sure thier only a couple. So your right in a way.

If they added the deleted scenes of Battle or any other deleted scenes on the Sequels, I'd say yes, it would have been worth it.

 

Start what?

Oh, that's okay. Mike is no longer reading me e-mails anymore.

Just kidding...cool.

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:04 PM

Subject: [pota] PLANET OF THE APES COLLECTION

NEW DVD BOX SET

Strange, the only thing i see new is T.V. Spots.

I guess I'll be sending another king's ransom for this.

 

http://www.fox.co.uk/home_ent/synopsis/planet_of_the_apes_collection.html"

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:27 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: PLANET OF THE APES COLLECTION

That's the UK version. You won't even be able to play it.

 

 

Well I would be able to play it on my DVD region free player (plays both Pal and NTSC on US televisions) believe me I've already placed it to the test, but for T.V. Spots? I'm not about to spend money on the same that I already have on DVD. T.V. Spots would be great but I'm sure thier only a couple. So your right in a way.

If they added the deleted scenes of Battle or any other deleted scenes on the Sequels, I'd say yes, it would have been worth it.

 

Start what?

Oh, that's okay. Mike is no longer reading me e-mails anymore.

Just kidding...cool.

 

Best.

Al

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 14:24
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: DVD

What link?

The link I gave, silly.

Just kidding. :o)

 

Here it is. It's the DVD player for $169.00

 

http://search.ebaystores.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&sid=2420509&store=www.cmttrading.com&colorid=6&fp=0&query=dvd+region+free+player&srchdesc=y

 

Or you can spend $500.00 dollars on an awesome DVD region free player that can't play all regions and can't record on VHS like Mike did. And counldn't spend less because he couldn't figure out that there was such a thing as Voltage Converter.

 

I'm still in a state of shock over that one.

 

Best.

Al

 

 

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<< Hello, anybody knows sites where i can find good pics
of the NEW MOVIE (not the old ones), speccialy of
ARI (helena bonham carter) ? >>


Here's a good place to start looking...

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HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=Planet+of+the+apes+pics+ari+helena+bonham

+carter">Google Search: Planet of the apes pics ari helena bonham carter</A>
www.google.com/search?q=Planet+of+the+apes+pics+ari+helena+bonham+carter

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [mailto:prophecysite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 15:54
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] DVD - Poor Alex can't add.

So Alex the genuis can't add - well shock me!

 

Can you count Alex?

 

Ineed I can.

Not too long ago you sent me $130.00 to buy for you all Planet of the Apes 2001 Figures (total of 6) plus the Collectors Item Model Kit. And yet I didn't charge you a dime for it.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
 

 And so my friend you could have done the same with this DVD player that would not have cost so high to ship. I even would have sent you the Voltage Converter for free.

 

But of course that's COULD HAVE.

Hows that for a shocker?

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]

 

P.S. Enjoy your lame DVD player bud.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]

 

Because that's the last time I'll ever do you a favor.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]

 

Now you tell me, who's the real trader to the word friendship?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...] 

 

Your a low life, and always will be one.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]

 

P.S. Enjoy your lame DVD player bud.

 

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/10/01 6:09:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Oh well.

Hey Rory,  can I get you to buy me some things?

How about you T?

And Bryan, can you help me out bro?

Michael


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.htmlIn a message dated 10/10/01 6:04:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Well this from the guy who hails POTA 2001.  I'll take that as a compliment coming from you, cock stain.

Michael


Ok, so are you two girls done yet?   Hey, I love fighting with Alex as much as you, Mike, but it does get a bit boring after a while -- especially since Alex seems to get off on it so much.  Mike, you really want to get Alex off?   It's kind of getting real gay, don't you think?

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.htmlHey Gang,

Alan Maxwell in Scotland has sent me a copy of Brian Pendreigh's "The Legend of the Planet of the Apes."   This is a must-have book.  Has anybody else here gotten a copy?  I dare say it's better written than the Joe Russo book (not that Joe's book isn't great,too), and it's got facts and pictures I've never seen before.  I'll have more to say about it later, but I got to go to work right now! :(

Hey, even the world's greatest APES' fan gets a mention.  Here's what it says on page 134:

"On the other side of the Atlantic, Cuban-born shop worker Alexander Ruiz saw it [BENEATH] on television in Miami at the age of seven or eight and the trailer alone had him jumping up and down like an ape.  'Golden Voyage of Sinbad' never came close,' says Ruiz. 'APES was the best I've seen by far'"

Hey, Alex, I have "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad" on DVD!   I love that movie!  Hehehehehe!!!

-- Rory<.html

Yea I could just unsubscribe, and that is coming next, but I think
some monkey poo is order first.

Recent topics of discusion ?
Alex calls Rory names
Rory calls Alex names
Alex calls Rory names
Rory calls Alex names
Alex calls Rory names
Rory calls Alex names
Movie reviews from oh so witty 23 who get maced
Lifelong arguments about DVD players.
Alex calls Rory names
Rory calls Alex names

Are you kidding ? Why would any one ever want to hang out with you
guys ?

I thought this was about Planet of the Apes, but no, it's just some
mean spirited lower primates fighting over a banana peel. - Jeff Doten

You know, I'm all for highjinks and shenanigans on the list, but "The Alex
Wars" is really getting boring for those of us who aren't directly involved.
I could really care less how much you guys spent on DVD players and who got
the better deal. If did I would subscribe to the yahoogroups home shopping
network list. I wouldn't be disappointed if you guys took this little
exchange to private email.

Matt

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In a message dated 10/10/01 11:22:34 AM, prophecysite@... writes:

<< Sorry about all this gang.

You won't hear another peep from me again, promise.

I only get attacked all the time here anyway, so what's the point in staying.


Be cool and stay cool.

The Alex Wars are officially over. >>

I'm not saying for you to leave. I like your contributions to the list.

Matt

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:35 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Over and Out

I'm not saying for you to leave. I like your contributions to the list.

Matt

 

I know that Matt, and believe me I didn't take it in that way.

But as you know all too well the history on this e-group, you along with everyone else knows I'm the one always being attack here. For whatever reason I'll never know. But as you can see, It is best that I do go.

 

Take care buddy, and too all on the group.

 

Best.

Al

 

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In a message dated 10/10/01 5:09:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< How about you T? >>

I dunno after this public wrow (sp?), I wouldn't want to fall out of your
good graces.

<< Recent topics of discusion ?
Alex calls Rory names
Rory calls Alex names
Alex calls Rory names
Rory calls Alex names >>

You're forgetting Michael!
Seriously guys, it is getting boring for the rest of us.
Please keep the private war, private. If you're going to fight here?
FIGHT OVER APES! As well as like apes. thank you.

<< I'm the one always being attack here. For whatever reason I'll never know.
But as you can see, It is best that I do go. >>

Hey Al...
Just gonna leave when the going gets tough? Well, I guess I'll be the only
one left who actually liked the new film. Yeah, a lot in there was lame, but
at least it has a future, maybe. They aren't going to make any more old
ones. I won't forget them, and I'll watch them from time to time, but I won't
live in the past either. If you start a POTA2K1 group, let me know. I'll be
the first to sign up.

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Are you kidding ? Why would any one ever want to hang out with you
guys ?

I thought this was about Planet of the Apes, but no, it's just some
mean spirited lower primates fighting over a banana peel. - Jeff Doten

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/10/01 11:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, prophecysite@... writes:

Hey, Alex, I have "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad" on DVD!   I love that movie!  Hehehehehe!!!

Yeah, so do I. I always thought Golden Voyage was the best of the Sinbad films. But as you, I liked apes better.

Best.
Al



Weeeeeelllll, "The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad" is probably better than at least a couple of the sequels.  And "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad," with Tom 'Dr. Who' Baker, also has Caroline Munro (YEAH!!!).

But remember, Alex, "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel."

or better yet, "Trust in Allah, AND GET THAT BASTARD BIN LADEN!!!"

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/10/01 11:52:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

Be cool and stay cool.

The Alex Wars are officially over. >>

I'm not saying for you to leave. I like your contributions to the list.

Matt

Alex isn't going anywhere.  What would the release of POTA 2001 on DVD in about a month without Alex around?   Very quiet, I would guess.

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/10/01 12:44:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prophecysite@... writes:

I know that Matt, and believe me I didn't take it in that way.

But as you know all too well the history on this e-group, you along with everyone else knows I'm the one always being attack here. For whatever reason I'll never know. But as you can see, It is best that I do go.

Take care buddy, and too all on the group.

Best.
Al



Hey, I've been attacked too.  Anybody remember "Little Guy Brian"?   But I'm still here.   Come on, Alex!   This isn't real life, it's just cyberspace!

-- Rory<.html

Yeah sorry Jeff, and everyone else, but I am finding it difficult to refrain
from retaliating.

I do usually let it go, but then it keeps on going.

I'll go private with Alex from now if he wants to niggle.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dotenj@... [dotenj@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 0:25
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Choke on your bananas
>
>
> Yea I could just unsubscribe, and that is coming next, but I think
> some monkey poo is order first.
>
> Recent topics of discusion ?
> Alex calls Rory names
> Rory calls Alex names
> Alex calls Rory names
> Rory calls Alex names
> Alex calls Rory names
> Rory calls Alex names
> Movie reviews from oh so witty 23 who get maced
> Lifelong arguments about DVD players.
> Alex calls Rory names
> Rory calls Alex names
>
> Are you kidding ? Why would any one ever want to hang out with you
> guys ?
>
> I thought this was about Planet of the Apes, but no, it's just some
> mean spirited lower primates fighting over a banana peel. - Jeff Doten
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Agreed.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 0:29
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] The Alex Wars
>
>
> You know, I'm all for highjinks and shenanigans on the list, but
> "The Alex
> Wars" is really getting boring for those of us who aren't
> directly involved.
> I could really care less how much you guys spent on DVD players
> and who got
> the better deal. If did I would subscribe to the yahoogroups home
> shopping
> network list. I wouldn't be disappointed if you guys took this little
> exchange to private email.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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One of the interesting item that I didn't know before:  You know how we've all been told Edward G. Robinson dropped out of the first film because he had a heart condition?   Well, that was just the offical story.  According to this book, John Chambers told the writer that Robinson dropped out because he wouldn't shave his beard!  And Fox had to pay him $50,000 to get him to drop out of the movie!  But actually they wanted to get rid of him because he was too expensive and would have cost another $75,000 if he'd taken the part of Dr. Zaius.  Maurice Evans was only paid $25,000 to play Dr. Zaius.

Well, there's a lot more here I'll bring up, but I have to go AGAIN.

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.htmlOk, I know there are 2 unfilmed scripts for the tv series in existence. They are titled "The Hostage" and "A Fallen God". Now I have never read them, nor do I know what they are about, (except in an eBay description, it says "A Fallen God" involves a helicopter!?)

And I finally bought one of the 3 British tv series annuals, the one from 75...Why I brought that up is this: In the annual, it has 2 stories in comic form, one called "Journey Into Terror", and the other is called "When The Earth Shakes". My question to anyone in the group that may know is this: Are these 2 stories the same stories as the unfilmed scripts (only with different names?) If so, are they quite different in the shooting scripts, or are they pretty much the same story line?

Finally, I know Serling wrote 2 (unused) scripts for the tv show....And I know there were different names, etc. in the Serling scripts, but my question here is this: Can anyone tell me if the basic elements of his 2 scripts were used in any of the comics/stories in either of the other 2 annuals? What I'm getting at is: Did they use his scripts story lines, only altered to fit the tv series characters/setting?<.html

.htmlI seen the picture of the box set for the series....Am I alone in thinking they should have had the silhouette of the 3 gorillas on horseback on the box instead of the picture of Virdon and Perdix? (Yes, I know its nit-picking, but hey, I'm trying to keep this an Apes discussion, not who has the most expensive dvd player in their home....)

And was it just a bit of mistitlement on their part, or is "The Deception" really renamed "The Dragoons" for release on this box set? Anybody know??

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