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But what is a 'chat shows ape tape'?

The video with all the POTAY2K1 talk show interviews.
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Hi Patrick - - -

This is Jeff Krueger. I think we talked about your chronology a while
back. That would be great if you could publish your book. There's been a lot
of controversy about how to do that. Fox has been very strict since this new
movie. If you presented your material as nonfiction and unofficial instead
of as a novel I think you could do it your way and they couldn't touch you.
Such as those "Science of 'Star Wars' books and what not. But it sounds
like you want to give the characters dialogue and so forth and that would be
more difficult.

- - - Jeff

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From: <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:12 AM
Subject: [pota] POTA chronology


> I'm the guy who posted about the CONQUEST script. For those of you
> who have APESFAN #2, I'm the guy who wrote an article for it entitled
> "A Chronology of the POTA". For those of you who are interested, I
> posted a number of times on a POTA/"ANSA" website (type in "ANSA",
> "Hasslein" and "Icarus" on a Lycos search engine, and you'll find it),
> doing my best to explain my scenario for "un-flubbing the flubs" of
> POTA chronology (the guy who runs that website and I, well, we
> vehemently disagree, to put it mildly).
> I've been working on a POTA novel project for a number of years
> (being a POTA fan from way back); I wanted to tell one humongous story
> that uses all the filmed POTA movies & TV episodes as "canon",
> basically novelizing PLANET and its 4 movie sequels as well as all 14
> TV episodes (of course, this involves RE-adaptation: the existing
> novelizations take liberties with their sources, and what appears on
> screen is often not what we read in Avallone's BENEATH book, etc.).
> The major hurdle for this project of mine was to find a way to
> explain how Taylor could see his EARTH-TIME clock read 11-25-3978
> after landing--yet Brent (and the "Ape-onauts") see it reading the
> year 3955.
> The bitter truth is that Paul Dehn flubbed. However...
> Taking the chronological info from the TV series, I noticed that
> Virdon's ship's EARTH-TIME clock clicks ahead from 08-19-1980 (19
> August 1980) to 07-14-3085 (14 July 3085) in the opening credit
> sequence... and yet the day after their landing (and also more than a
> week later, at the episode's end) Virdon & Burke see the EARTH-TIME
> clock frozen on the date 03-21-3085 (21 March 3085), which is 115
> days EARLIER than the date given for the Time Warp from Present-to-
> Future.
> Since this Time Warp occurs when they approach Alpha Centauri, that
> means that they also managed to be zipped along back to Earth 4.34
> LightYears (after Jones activates the "Emergency Homing Device" that
> Virdon tells Burke he'd ordered him to do).
> By a happy coincidence, the ratio of "retro-temporal" time Virdon's
> ship experiences (115 "retro-days") to Distance in LightYears
> traveled (4.34) just so happens to match what Taylor's ship
> experiences: Taylor tells Landon & Dodge that they were (as far as he
> knew & believed) "320 LightYears from Earth on an unnamed planet in
> orbit around a star in the constellation of Orion". Divide 320 by 4.34
> and then multiply by 115 and you get 8479.26 "retro-days". Divide
> 8479.26 by 365.2422 and you get 23.215 "retro-years". Since noon of 25
> November 3978 (a 365-day year) is exactly 9/10ths through the year,
> subtract 23.215 from 3978.90 and you get 3955.685! In other words, if
> the same sort of thing that happens to Virdon's ship (zipping "x"
> number of LightYears in "y" number of "retro-temporal days") also
> happens to Taylor's ship, then the actual EARTH-TIME date that Taylor
> arrives is about the 251st day of 3955. Assuming, of course, that
> Taylor's ship's EARTH-TIME clock fails to register the "back-thru-
> time" jump it nonetheless experiences.
> Anyway, when I happened to discover that convenient coincidence, I
> proceeded to weave a scenario around it, and I'm using it in my on-
> going magnum opus (I'm calling it "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE
> APES"). As I've said, the guy running the website mentioned above (he
> calls himself "Ansanaut") disagrees with my scenario. Quite frankly,
> he believes things about the APES series that are patently ridiculous
> (he thinks that the stars Taylor sees out the front window of his
> ship in PLANET's opening scene aren't stars at all; he also thinks
> that Taylor's mission was to Alpha Centauri--which isn't referenced
> anywhere in the film, of course!).
> Anyhow, I've been waiting 27 friggin' years for the TV show to be
> released UN-CUT, and this up-coming DVD release is none too soon. I
> want my novel to have all the details that were presented on screen,
> and whatever details exist that are (or seem to be) flubs... well,
> it's my modus operandi to "un-flub" them!
> It's going to be a long book, and it'll take a long time for me to
> finish it, and there's no guarantee I'll be given the rights to
> publish it... but if I do get it published, I hope all you other POTA
> fans out there will like it.
> Mr. "Ansanaut" might not like it (I don't think he particularly likes
> ME!), but I'm not writing it for him. I'm writing it for me.
> And, no, I'm not going to try to reconcile Burton's "re-imagining"
> and the cartoon show "RETURN..." to the original live-action stuff. I
> don't know about you, but the "new" movie was about as good (compared
> to the original) as Ralph Fiennes' "The Avengers" was (compared to
> the original series)...!
> Ecch!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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  I think the OK is tentative while they hammer out the script. They probably have the dough for a screenwriter and will decide based on the result. That DVD review I mentioned yesterday (dvdangle.com) said that Burton explained in his commentary that he knew where the ending is leading and someone else will continue it, but he's got it mapped out. Sounds to me that Burton might be back as a producer with someone else directing. I'm for that. Burton can help shape the visuals but someone else can hopefully tell an involving story. And if Burton's the producer, he's "back" and those actors whose contracts said they'd return if Burton did are stuck. It's like the 3rd "Batman' where Burton was a producing figurehead (and made some nice dough).                                - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Ruiz
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA 2?

Well, I haven't seen anywhere else on the web any news of a POTA 2, so I guess it's still wait and see time.

-- Rory


I think it could be true.
Because way back when epiosode 1 was being created, there was word that episode 2 would be coming out in 2003. That's why you see that after my countdown was finished, I went ahead with countdown to 2003.

But then removed it because no official word was ever given. Just news on the web way back then.
But if it is 2003, I would think that they would give word by now. Just to build up the hype for those who want to learn how exactly Thade ruled the planet.

Best.
Al




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    Well, my personal opinion is, once you've made the story, what's the point of all these d***  remakes?           JoAndra <.html

.htmlWell, my personal opinion is, once you've made the story, what's the point of all these d***  remakes?

Well, that's a good question.  I think their point was that after thirty years the originals had become dated to the point of being campy.  A lot of that is due to the decline of the sequels, especially budget wise.  Of course the whole point of it is lost if you make the remake campy.  But then again, I don't think their true intention was to make a better Apes, but to make a bigger pile . . . of money!  Or crap depending on your point of view.  And like a good ape, I'd like to fling it at them.  That's what they're in business for.  Not to make art.  To make money.  Of course with the budget they had they could have done both.  But maybe they can't tell the difference.  Is Burton's rep just more Hollywood hype.  Hard to tell when you measure success in money.  But maybe being Mr. nice guy is only good for getting actors to work with you, and not studios.<.html

In a message dated 11/15/01 2:27:20 PM, Artessatwork@... writes:

<< Well, my personal opinion is, once you've made the story, what's the
point of all these d*** remakes? JoAndra >>

The point is that it raises interest in the entire POTA franchise, which can
only be seen as a positive. If it wasn't for the new film, I doubt if we
would be seeing things like the TV series on DVD, the onslaught of new
merchandise, books like POTA: Revisited, the repackaged BEHIND DVD, etc.

It's all good.

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/2001 11:37:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

In a message dated 11/15/01 2:27:20 PM, Artessatwork@... writes:

<< Well, my personal opinion is, once you've made the story, what's the
point of all these d***  remakes?           JoAndra  >>

The point is that it raises interest in the entire POTA franchise, which can
only be seen as a positive. If it wasn't for the new film, I doubt if we
would be seeing things like the TV series on DVD, the onslaught of new
merchandise, books like POTA: Revisited, the repackaged BEHIND DVD, etc.

It's all good.

Matt

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    So, why not just rerelease the original POTA, all 5, if necessary?.
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In a message dated 11/15/01 2:48:50 PM, Artessatwork@... writes:

<< So, why not just rerelease the original POTA, all 5, if necessary? >>

Been there done that. Something new was needed to pique the interest of
today's audiences.

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/2001 11:59:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

<< So, why not just rerelease the original POTA, all 5, if necessary? >>

Been there done that. Something new was needed to pique the interest of
today's audiences.

Matt

     Then have the Apes in another place,  like Roddy once said, Apes in Waikiki?
      And a totally different story line.    JoAndra<.html

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In a message dated 11/13/01 10:23:45 PM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Yeah, bet you wish it said more. >>

Yep, that's it.

-Joe

In a message dated 11/14/01 12:16:07 AM Central Standard Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< Hey, All.

Could we please get off the Revolution Road? POTA means Planet of the
Apes, not
Picking up Old Times Again.
JoAndra


Al?
Who's Al?
I'm Anakin. :o)

I fully agree, not only that but it's a pointless topic.

Best.
Anakin >>

Didn't that say 'All'?

-Joe

In a message dated 11/14/01 11:20:37 PM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< But what's to become of it's record this weekend when
Harry Potter comes to town? >>

Well... a lot of tickets have been sold in advance by theatres, and I'm
pretty sure it's going to be big. No matter. I think it looks like shit, so
I won't be seeing it for a while.

What do you know? A Harry Potter commercial just popped up on TV.

-Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/01 2:33:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

<< Well, my personal opinion is, once you've made the story, what's the
point of all these d***  remakes?           JoAndra  >>

The point is that it raises interest in the entire POTA franchise, which can
only be seen as a positive. If it wasn't for the new film, I doubt if we
would be seeing things like the TV series on DVD, the onslaught of new
merchandise, books like POTA: Revisited, the repackaged BEHIND DVD, etc.

It's all good.

Matt

As far as Fox is concerned the point is to make more money.  The show must go on, and the show must make money to keep going on.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/01 2:35:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I think their point was that after thirty years the originals had become dated to the point of being campy.   

Hey, Lord T!!!!   Call BATTLE or BENEATH or the TV show campy, but only an idiot thinks the original film is campy.  Such the cheap monkey jokes should have been left out, but the original is still viable and it's makeup in many ways looks better than what was done in the new movie.  AND TALK ABOUT CAMP!!!   The new movie is camp!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/01 5:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, prophecysite@... writes:

This is incredible, no wonder the DVD reviews are so damn great!

I wasn't able to get the DVD T.V. Series yet, I'll have to wait until the 20th like everyone else. But looking foward too it!

Best.
Al

Do you have Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS surround, Alex?   If so, how's the sound, and what's the picture like?  What size of a monitor do you have?  I only have a 32" TV.  Matt has a home theatre.  I forget how big his projection TV is.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/01 6:12:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< But what's to become of it's record this weekend when
Harry Potter comes to town? >>

Well... a lot of tickets have been sold in advance by theatres, and I'm
pretty sure it's going to be big.  No matter.  I think it looks like shit, so
I won't be seeing it for a while.

What do you know?  A Harry Potter commercial just popped up on TV.

-Joe

For the record, I'm looking forward to seeing "Harry Potter."  I think it should be good, though I've never seen a movie directed by Chris Columbus that I've completely liked.

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/2001 1:42:37 PM Central Standard Time, Artessatwork@... writes:

   So, why not just rerelease the original POTA, all 5, if necessary?.
   JoAndra

I'm with you on this one........

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/2001 5:07:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

  So, why not just rerelease the original POTA, all 5, if necessary?.
  JoAndra

I'm with you on this one........

  Thank U.  Whom am I thanking?
  J.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:46 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA DVD INCREDIBLE!

In a message dated 11/15/01 5:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, prophecysite@... writes:

This is incredible, no wonder the DVD reviews are so damn great!

I wasn't able to get the DVD T.V. Series yet, I'll have to wait until the 20th like everyone else. But looking foward too it!

Best.
Al

Do you have Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS surround, Alex?   If so, how's the sound, and what's the picture like?  What size of a monitor do you have?  I only have a 32" TV.  Matt has a home theatre.  I forget how big his projection TV is.

-- Rory

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I saw the commercial for the DVD for the first time today.
Cutting it a little close, aren't they?

The difference with Harry Potter is that it has cross-over appeal to parents who
are into it because of their kids ( like me) . Having read a couple of the books,
I think it looks like fun and I also think It'll slaughter POTA 2001in terms of
opening days business.
Best,
KEN

CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/14/01 11:20:37 PM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << But what's to become of it's record this weekend when
> Harry Potter comes to town? >>
>
> Well... a lot of tickets have been sold in advance by theatres, and I'm
> pretty sure it's going to be big. No matter. I think it looks like shit, so
> I won't be seeing it for a while.
>
> What do you know? A Harry Potter commercial just popped up on TV.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for the enthusiastic ( I would have been disappointed with
anything less) review Alex but it just reminds me of Rory's ( I think)
quote a while back. " A turkey with all the trimmings".
Possibly with the same effect as turkey?
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

Having said that, I will of coarse be buying it. I think in Fox's file
on 'POTA target audience/sucker' there's a picture of me.
Best,
KEN

I am not really into Star Trek, but I thought this was cool:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/5459/evolpro.htm


Matt

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----- Original Message -----

From: Artessatwork@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:16 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA 2?

In a message dated 11/15/2001 11:59:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

<< So, why not just rerelease the original POTA, all 5, if necessary? >>

Been there done that. Something new was needed to pique the interest of
today's audiences.

Matt

     Then have the Apes in another place,  like Roddy once said, Apes in Waikiki?
      And a totally different story line.    JoAndra
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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:33 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA DVD INCREDIBLE!

Well I've just picked up the POTA 2001 DVD, and I must say it is awesome! Step aside Terminator II Special Edition, POTA is the new king in DVD!

 

DISC 2

 

Incredible, the multi angle scenes are amazing. You can watch 4 vidoes at one time and chose the audio of any of the four. TONS of multi angle segments. Including behind the scenes of Tim directing and screen tests. TONS of them.

 

6 great documenturies plus the HBO Special. Music Videos, T.V. Spots, some never seen before. The extended scenes are nothing we haven't seen before because they are the same scenes but added lines later deleted in the final cut. And a whole lot more!

 

And just when you think you've seen it all, there's DISC 1

On my God!

 

You have the option of watching the movie as you would any DVD movie, then there's the ENHANCED OPTION. Where the movie is being played but through out the movie a PICTURE IN PITURE pops up and you see behind the scenes and documenturies highlighting that scene that your watching at the same time.

 

Then if that isn't enough, a symbol of the Oberon appears, and when you hit enter. You see a full behind the scenes feature of that scene. When the feature is finished, your returned right back where you left off in the movie.

This is incredible, no wonder the DVD reviews are so damn great!

 

I wasn't able to get the DVD T.V. Series yet, I'll have to wait until the 20th like everyone else. But looking foward too it!

 

Best.

Al

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He he he! The LA Times reports that Warner Bros. is worried people won't
go to the theatres because they think it sold out over the Internet. But
that only accounts for a small percentage.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Alas!


> In a message dated 11/14/01 11:20:37 PM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << But what's to become of it's record this weekend when
> Harry Potter comes to town? >>
>
> Well... a lot of tickets have been sold in advance by theatres, and I'm
> pretty sure it's going to be big. No matter. I think it looks like shit,
so
> I won't be seeing it for a while.
>
> What do you know? A Harry Potter commercial just popped up on TV.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA 2?

In a message dated 11/15/01 2:35:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I think their point was that after thirty years the originals had become dated to the point of being campy.   

Hey, Lord T!!!!   Call BATTLE or BENEATH or the TV show campy, but only an idiot thinks the original film is campy.  Such the cheap monkey jokes should have been left out, but the original is still viable and it's makeup in many ways looks better than what was done in the new movie.  AND TALK ABOUT CAMP!!!   The new movie is camp!

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/2001 10:53:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

They kinda were in Waikiki. They shot the surroundings of Ape City in Hawaii (Roddy was very clairvoyant).                                      - - - - Jeff

  So true . . .  And so am I.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:49 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Alas!

In a message dated 11/15/01 6:12:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< But what's to become of it's record this weekend when
Harry Potter comes to town? >>

Well... a lot of tickets have been sold in advance by theatres, and I'm
pretty sure it's going to be big.  No matter.  I think it looks like shit, so
I won't be seeing it for a while.

What do you know?  A Harry Potter commercial just popped up on TV.

-Joe

For the record, I'm looking forward to seeing "Harry Potter."  I think it should be good, though I've never seen a movie directed by Chris Columbus that I've completely liked.

-- Rory

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.htmlHey,  remember when POTA and 2001 were both released in '68?  And now, here we are in 2001, and the new POTA is released.  Anything here?  Timing or planned?
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.htmlIn a message dated 11/15/2001 11:08:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

You almost got to see a "Planet of the Apes" directed by Columbus. And the dude that made "Lord of the Rings" almost made a POTA (with Roddy!). And the dude who wrote POTA for Oliver Stone borrowed heavily from "lord of the Rings". What goes around comes around.

                                                        - - - - Jeff

   Roddy would turn down flat to do another POTA.  "It's ridiculous!   It's stupid to do remakes."

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:01 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA DVD INCREDIBLE!

Thanks for the enthusiastic ( I would have been disappointed with
anything less) review Alex but it just reminds me of Rory's ( I think)
quote a while back. " A turkey with all the trimmings".
Possibly with the same effect as turkey?
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

Having said that, I will of coarse be buying it. I think in Fox's file
on 'POTA target audience/sucker' there's a picture of me.
Best,
KEN

 

 

Believe me, KEN, you will be impressed with the way you can watch this movie with the latest tech in DVD. Picture in picture and documentaries as well. The documentaries you see in DISC 2 are not the same as the ones in DISC 1, they are all new, just for the movie as you watch it.

 

The Matrix has something like this, a rabbit appears and when you enter you get a documentary for that segment of the film, then it returns you to the movie. But the docs that they show are the same ones you would see if you just choose documentaries. But the POTA ones are all new and with the added feature, picture in picture.

 

Pretty amazing.

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Artessatwork@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:14 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Alas!

In a message dated 11/15/2001 11:08:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

You almost got to see a "Planet of the Apes" directed by Columbus. And the dude that made "Lord of the Rings" almost made a POTA (with Roddy!). And the dude who wrote POTA for Oliver Stone borrowed heavily from "lord of the Rings". What goes around comes around.

                                                        - - - - Jeff

   Roddy would turn down flat to do another POTA.  "It's ridiculous!   It's stupid to do remakes."

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Hey, Lord T!!!!   Call BATTLE or BENEATH or the TV show campy, but only an idiot thinks the original film is campy.

I don't think it's campy.
With the possible exception of Heston's performance.
You have to admit it is over the top...not that there's anything wrong with that.  That's what makes his lines so classic and quotable.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/16/01 2:11:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, Artessatwork@... writes:

Hey,  remember when POTA and 2001 were both released in '68?  And now, here we are in 2001, and the new POTA is released.  Anything here?  Timing or planned?
      JoAndra

I used to think there was something there, but considering what a shitty year 2001 has turned out to be, and what a disappointment the new movie was, well. . . . I don't want to think about it any more.  I prefer to just remember '68 and wonder, "What happened?"

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/16/01 3:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Hey, Lord T!!!!   Call BATTLE or BENEATH or the TV show campy, but only an idiot thinks the original film is campy.

I don't think it's campy.
With the possible exception of Heston's performance.
You have to admit it is over the top...not that there's anything wrong with that.  That's what makes his lines so classic and quotable.


Heston is just being Heston in PLANET.  It's quintessential Chuck.  I get a little pissed when people knock Heston's PLANET performance.  Who else would have been better?  He was perfect, and what happened to him in the movie couldn't have happened to a 'nicer' guy.

-- Rory<.html

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Who else would have been better? 

It's quintessential Chuck.

I wasn't knocking Heston.  I like him when he's over the top.
I sure as hell don't think the understated approach works when you wind up on a planet of apes.  We all saw that with Wahlberg.

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> I wasn't knocking Heston. I like him when he's over the top.
> I sure as hell don't think the understated approach works when you

wind up on

> a planet of apes. We all saw that with Wahlberg.

Wahlberg was a nighmare in POTA 2001, he played every scene as if he
lands on a planet of the apes every week! I can't help but think that
a much older and more seasoned actor would have lent so much more to
the part, but then again with a script that dire I don't think any
actor could have saved Wahlbergs part.

In fact I think that this re-imagining concept failed on every level,
with the benefit of hindsight I would now have preferred a scene by
scene exact remake. I remember reading an article in Ape Chronicles
(remember that) from many years ago, this was while the remake was
still only being talked about by Fox. It said how exciting it will be
to see the space shuttle crashlanding in the desert, and to see the
astronaut(s) finally discovering that the planet was Earth. Then
using some fantastic ILM style special effect for the Statue of
Liberty or similar type scene at the end.

Yeah I know an exact remake would have not gone done well with
the 'don't mess with a classic you'll only fail' brigade, but hell
look what we ended up with!!

Daniel

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<< I saw the commercial for the DVD for the first time today.
Cutting it a little close, aren't they? >>

I saw it yesterday while I was watching The Tick (great show). Yes, they are
cutting it VERY close.

-Joe

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Alexander Ruiz wrote:

 

Easter Egg

Ape Commentary

Access The Egg

On Disc 1- Select Special Features, then select Commentaries, then press the down arrow to highlight the "back" button, then press the "up" arrow to highlight a red monkey that is between the top of the swords. This will play a special "Ape" language commentary of the movie, but it fast forwards to only scenes of the ape in the spacesuit in the beginning of the movie.  On Disc 1- Select languages and then press the down arrow to highlight resume film, then press the right arrow to highlight a red apes helmet which will take you to the DVD credits.  Not that exciting, but better than nothing.Best.Al

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Yeah I know an exact remake would have not gone done well with
the 'don't mess with a classic you'll only fail' brigade, but hell
look what we ended up with!!

Daniel   

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:03 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Official Site Hypothesis

I was studying the official site and I realized that all the info about the ending is not true.   Notice that the whole research is called TRI: Temporal.Research.Institute.

Notice that it is Temporal or TEMPORARY.  It all says that everything that has happened has just been controversy.

 

Also, while in the main part, every thing has a Hypothesis. Would they put all of that for no reason? I 100% doubt it.

 

And also, why would they ruin part of the sequel? This whole website is just giving us something to talk about until the sequel or further info.

 

*Mike

 

 

Well if that is true...

then I completely...

 

I LOVE THIS MOVIE AGAIN!

 

Now I can enjoy the DVD better.

 

Best.

Al

 

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 I did that "street team" thing where you get a free DVD. They e-mailed me today and said they still haven't received them but insist it's legit. So I rented the "Apes" instead. I'm about to partake. If I die from overstimulation it's been great.

                                                          - - - - Jeff



Well, I got tired of getting those stupid 'street team' e-mails about two days into the thing and un-subscribed myself.  I just got an e-mail from Amazon today that both DVDs, new movie and TV series, were mailed today.  I paid for two-day shipping so hopefully I'll have them by Monday or Tuesday.  However, I've been planning on watching the blessed original movie, which I haven't seen in months, on Thanksgiving night whilst I digest my turkey, so watching that new movie again will have to wait until the next day. I just hope seeing it again doesn't have the same affect as the first time.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:36 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA DVD is a go!

Well Jeff I hope you didn't give them anybody's email address.

 

Michael

 

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Subject: [pota] POTA DVD is a go!

  I did that "street team" thing where you get a free DVD. They e-mailed me today and said they still haven't received them but insist it's legit. So I rented the "Apes" instead. I'm about to partake. If I die from overstimulation it's been great.

 

                                                           - - - - Jeff

 

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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:12 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA DVD is a go!

In a message dated 11/16/01 9:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 I did that "street team" thing where you get a free DVD. They e-mailed me today and said they still haven't received them but insist it's legit. So I rented the "Apes" instead. I'm about to partake. If I die from overstimulation it's been great.

                                                          - - - - Jeff

Well, I got tired of getting those stupid 'street team' e-mails about two days into the thing and un-subscribed myself.  I just got an e-mail from Amazon today that both DVDs, new movie and TV series, were mailed today.  I paid for two-day shipping so hopefully I'll have them by Monday or Tuesday.  However, I've been planning on watching the blessed original movie, which I haven't seen in months, on Thanksgiving night whilst I digest my turkey, so watching that new movie again will have to wait until the next day. I just hope seeing it again doesn't have the same affect as the first time.

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Well Jeff I hope you didn't give them anybody's email address.

Michael


You better no have given them mine.  Oh wait, I did that? 
I wonder if that counts?
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In a message dated 11/16/01 4:07:04 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< No. A very sophisticated, serious director simply should have gone back
to
the Boulle novel, forgotten the original films had ever been done, and
started from there.

-- Rory >>

Wasn't the ending of the movie borrowed like the ending of the book? I think
it is.

-Joe

I've seen two different commercials for the DVD. One was pretty long and got
me pumped, while the other was totally dick and.... well, it wasn't as good
as the first one I saw.

-Joe

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The soul of this movie is still Ari and the music.

Word.  Amen to that.  I still enjoy listening to the Apes CD.  And until I get theDVD and a machine to watch it on I can enjoy the makeup test link and the video.

I think it plays better on TV given it's storytelling inequities but visually it looses it's

impact.

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I've seen two different commercials for the DVD.  One was pretty long and got
me pumped, while the other was totally dick and.... well, it wasn't as good
as the first one I saw.

-Joe

  Could we watch our language, please?.<.html

Yeah I know an exact remake would have not gone done well with
the 'don't mess with a classic you'll only fail' brigade, but hell
look what we ended up with!!


It would have been interesting if they had done what the game writers did and
borrow ideas from both the movie and the book.

In a message dated 11/17/01 12:34:53 AM Central Standard Time,
Artessatwork@... writes:

<< Could we watch our language, please?. >>

Umm, whatever.

-Joe

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In a message dated 11/17/01 12:34:53 AM Central Standard Time,
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<< Could we watch our language, please?. >>

Umm, whatever.

-Joe

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In a message dated 11/17/01 12:41:13 AM Central Standard Time,
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<< Oh, come on. Have respect for your readers. And that goes for everyone!

>>

I never said I didn't. Readers - You rock!

-Joe

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<< Oh, come on.  Have respect for your readers.  And that goes for everyone!
>>

I never said I didn't.  Readers - You rock!

-Joe

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.htmllike his unique way of thinking. There's so much truth to what he says. The man's a freaken genius.


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Wasn't the ending of the movie borrowed like the ending of the book? I think

it is.

-Joe


Yeah, it was. Which is okay, but those of us who have read the book felt a
little cheated out of our surpise ending. And those who like don't like
loose ends, and can't figure ways that could happen, I'm sure, did as well,
and were left scratching their heads.

In a message dated 11/17/01 12:53:19 AM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Yeah, it was. Which is okay, but those of us who have read the book felt
a
little cheated out of our surpise ending. >>

Hmm... I didn't feel that way. I thought it was a good ending, either way.
I knew it was going to be something jarring, but I didn't make any connection
to the book until AFTER I saw the ending, and I had already gone through the
surprise.

-Joe

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:44 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA DVD is a go!

But they did put some clips from "Big Momma's House" in there including a close-up of Paul (Limbo) Giamatti.                            - - - Jeff

 

Speaking of Giamatti.

Check out the documentary "Mokey Face"

Giamantti is watching the original POTA while getting his makeup on. Giammantti is the funniest guy in all of those documentaries and screen tests. What a funny guy.

 

Best.

Al

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:51 PM

Subject: [pota] DVD Commercial

Also be sure to check out Fox on Sunday night.

I'm sure they'll have the DVD commercials during the Simpsons and other shows that night.

 

In the extended scenes they even show the Simpsons when the Oberon is viewing all those transmisions from earth, from all time. And Leo saying, "A billion channels and nothing to watch". :o)

 

They should have left that line in. that is so true.

 

Best.

Al

 

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One thing about the ending is that air traffic controller. That's kind of
a cheat because he doesn't sound like an ape.

- - - Jeff

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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA 2?


> In a message dated 11/17/01 12:53:19 AM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << Yeah, it was. Which is okay, but those of us who have read the book
felt
> a
> little cheated out of our surpise ending. >>
>
> Hmm... I didn't feel that way. I thought it was a good ending, either
way.
> I knew it was going to be something jarring, but I didn't make any
connection
> to the book until AFTER I saw the ending, and I had already gone through
the
> surprise.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>From: "Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@...>
>Subject: Official Site Hypothesis
>I was studying the official site and I realized that all the info about
>the ending is not true. Notice that the whole research is called TRI:
>Temporal.Research.Institute. Notice that it is Temporal or TEMPORARY.
>It all says that everything that has happened has just been controversy.

Nice theory, except for one problem... "Temporal" doesn't mean "temporary."
It means "pertaining to time." It's a common term in science fiction
vehicles referring to time-travel.

Nothing temporary about it, I'm afraid. :)

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However, they do use that word "hypothesis". I'm with Alex; I don't think
they'd give away what happens in the sequel on a website. If they're smart
(the jury is out) they'd use that as the maguffin to make us think that's
what they're going to do, then blow us away with something different when we
get to the theatre (hope springs eternal). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 793


> >From: "Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@...>
> >Subject: Official Site Hypothesis
> >I was studying the official site and I realized that all the info about
> >the ending is not true. Notice that the whole research is called TRI:
> >Temporal.Research.Institute. Notice that it is Temporal or TEMPORARY.
> >It all says that everything that has happened has just been controversy.
>
>
> Nice theory, except for one problem... "Temporal" doesn't mean
"temporary."
> It means "pertaining to time." It's a common term in science fiction
> vehicles referring to time-travel.
>
> Nothing temporary about it, I'm afraid. :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:50 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA DVD is a go!

Word.  Amen to that.  I still enjoy listening to the Apes CD.  And until I get theDVD and a machine to watch it on I can enjoy the makeup test link and the video.

 

Well, if you liked the Music CD, wait until you get the DVD. Remarkable! When you see the movie with the Danny Elfman Commentary, you see the whole movie with no spoken words and Danny giving his comments from time to time. Awesome!

 

Best.

Al

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----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:58 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA DVD is a go!

Haven't got to "Monkey Face" yet but I am blown away by these documentaries! They aren't just footage slapped together, they are polished films. They also borrow liberally from the originals. At one point, Elfman talks about the score for the original and they show the hunts from both the old and the new. They play the Goldsmith music during the stunt test (one guy is wearing a shirt with Caesar, Lisa and Cornelius on it). I love the part where they are teaching the real chimp to wear his astronaut clothes. There's one shot where they tell him "Thumbs Up!", "Hands on Hips!" and it's just like, he takes the orders and it's like a guy in makeup - - but it's a real chimp. This stuff is gold. I'm glad they decided  to document this shoot. And the different tests are so cool. Well, back to the DVD.

 

                                                        - - - Jeff

 

Yeah, it does rock!

I like it a lot better than the Terminator II Special Edition DVD. And I've always seen that one as the best out there.

Until now.

 

I only wish they put the Japanese Pepsi Commericals as well. But never the less, I'm very content.

 

Best.

Al

 

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Hmm... I didn't feel that way. I thought it was a good ending, either way.
I knew it was going to be something jarring, but I didn't make any connection

to the book until AFTER I saw the ending, and I had already gone through the
surprise

Well, then you're lucky. I heard Michael Clark Duncan saying on the special
you're gonna be so surprise. And then when I saw it I was like, Oh, the
ending from the book. So the only surprise was that they went for that
ending whenI thought they were going to do something off the wall. It's not
a bad ending. It just didn't have the impact on me that the first movie did.

When I first saw the ending I liked that it was like the book. I'd heard
the bad reviews and what's-his-face gave away the ending on the internet, so
I was expecting the worst. So I kinda gave the movie and the ending some
slack. When I saw it again the ending didn't work for me. Now I've seen it
on DVD and I like it again. Maybe it's that thing I said about it not being
so dire on TV.

- - - - Jeff

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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA 2?


> Hmm... I didn't feel that way. I thought it was a good ending, either
way.
> I knew it was going to be something jarring, but I didn't make any
connection
>
> to the book until AFTER I saw the ending, and I had already gone through
the
> surprise
>
> Well, then you're lucky. I heard Michael Clark Duncan saying on the
special
> you're gonna be so surprise. And then when I saw it I was like, Oh, the
> ending from the book. So the only surprise was that they went for that
> ending whenI thought they were going to do something off the wall. It's
not
> a bad ending. It just didn't have the impact on me that the first movie
did.
>
>
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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:33 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 793

>From: "Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@...>
>Subject: Official Site Hypothesis
>I was studying the official site and I realized that all the info about
>the ending is not true.   Notice that the whole research is called TRI:
>Temporal.Research.Institute. Notice that it is Temporal or TEMPORARY. 
>It all says that everything that has happened has just been controversy.


Nice theory, except for one problem... "Temporal" doesn't mean "temporary."
It means "pertaining to time."  It's a common term in science fiction
vehicles referring to time-travel.

Nothing temporary about it, I'm afraid.  :)




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<< It just didn't have the impact on me that the first movie did. >>

Of course it didn't. I haven't seen a movie with a better ending than the
original.

-Joe

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Of course it didn't.  I haven't seen a movie with a better ending than the
original.

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me pumped, while the other was totally dick and.... well, it wasn't as good




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Oh yeah,

Speaking of the game, guess what?

Here is a link to a newspaper article from last week where it is reviewed
and a competition is mentioned (I find the opening comment that the new
movie and the game are based on the...oh you read it!).

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/POTAgameCT1.jpg

And here is my letter to say I won one!!!!

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/POTAgame2.jpg

YAY!

Michael

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It would have been interesting if they had done what the game writers did
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>>

I never said I didn't.  Readers - You rock!

-Joe

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Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2001 17:47
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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like his unique way of thinking. There's so much truth to what he says. The man's a freaken genius.

Everyone says that, but I say if he's such a genius he'd have figured out a way to polish a turd.

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I guessed (as soon as they spoke of a "shock" ending) that it would only be
shocking for those who had never read the book or seen the movie/s. I was
really hoping I was wrong.

Michael

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Hmm... I didn't feel that way. I thought it was a good ending, either way.
I knew it was going to be something jarring, but I didn't make any
connection to the book until AFTER I saw the ending, and I had already gone
through the surprise.

-Joe

Yeah, and it is silly.

And the original would have been silly if Liberty had a chimp face too.

I mean, how did the chimp face get there?

Is it just a coincidence that Thade wore the same clothes as Lincoln and
somebody decided to erect a monument in the same place with all the same
Washington landmark coincidentally built by apes. What a crock!

I'm still struggling to allow that to make sense.

I guess if Thade landed in a post germ warfare earth and took over from
there it could work but nothing much else in the film was explained, so I
doubt they will explain this any better.

The ending is silly (but I hope, as usual, that I am proven wrong).

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2001 19:10
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA 2?
>
>
> Hmm... I didn't feel that way. I thought it was a good ending,
> either way.
> I knew it was going to be something jarring, but I didn't make
> any connection
>
> to the book until AFTER I saw the ending, and I had already gone
> through the
> surprise
>
> Well, then you're lucky. I heard Michael Clark Duncan saying on
> the special
> you're gonna be so surprise. And then when I saw it I was like, Oh, the
> ending from the book. So the only surprise was that they went for that
> ending whenI thought they were going to do something off the
> wall. It's not
> a bad ending. It just didn't have the impact on me that the
> first movie did.
>
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>
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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:24 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA Opening Day $

What was POTA 2001's opening day gross again?

 

I believe it was 68. something.

 

Has anyone seen the new SW trailer yet, Forbidden Love?

It's at the official site now, sameone that will be shown during Harry Potter.

This trailer is the best yet, and what a great storyline.

 

Best.

Al

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:21 PM

Subject: [pota] Richard (call me Dick)

I must say, the word Joe used is VERY tame compared to some of the language we let fly from time to time in this group.

 

Sometimes obscenities best describe things (the new movie for example).

 

This is a fairly democratic group and you are the only one who has complained about the use of the word "dick".

 

If anyone else is offended please speak up and we shall analyse the results.

 

Michael

 

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Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2001 17:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Commercial

In a message dated 11/16/2001 10:42:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< Oh, come on.  Have respect for your readers.  And that goes for everyone!
>>

I never said I didn't.  Readers - You rock!

-Joe

  You say it only by what you write.   I'm not one of these sentives, but I do have a big thing about language, grammer as well.  But,  that's my problem.




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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 3:04 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Richard (call me Dick)

  Well, they use the f -word in the POTA DVD extras, so beware!                                              - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:21 PM

Subject: [pota] Richard (call me Dick)

I must say, the word Joe used is VERY tame compared to some of the language we let fly from time to time in this group.

 

Sometimes obscenities best describe things (the new movie for example).

 

This is a fairly democratic group and you are the only one who has complained about the use of the word "dick".

 

If anyone else is offended please speak up and we shall analyse the results.

 

Michael

 

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Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2001 17:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Commercial

In a message dated 11/16/2001 10:42:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< Oh, come on.  Have respect for your readers.  And that goes for everyone!
>>

I never said I didn't.  Readers - You rock!

-Joe

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA Opening Day $

Yep... it is an awesome trailer.  I'm not to fond of Hayden's acting though, so hopefully he is good through the whole movie and not like that.  I'm really anticipating this film.

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:24 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: POTA Opening Day $

What was POTA 2001's opening day gross again?

 

I believe it was 68. something.

 

Has anyone seen the new SW trailer yet, Forbidden Love?

It's at the official site now, sameone that will be shown during Harry Potter.

This trailer is the best yet, and what a great storyline.

 

Best.

Al

 

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In a message dated 11/17/01 5:19:01 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< Put it on your site for us. Please, Uncle Alex!

- - - - Jeff >>
I'm trying to find a way to view either of the new Episode 2 trailers but I
can't get quicktime 5 to download without it freezing on me. My computer is
getting old. If anyone has a way to view the Ep 2 trailers without quicktime
let me know. Thanks!

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