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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:16 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA TV Series DVDs - a question

In a message dated 12/4/01 1:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Welcome, Darren. My disc 4 has the same thing and I didn't get mine from Amazon, I got it from Suncoast. So if it's a problem, it's in the manufacturing. I thought it meant there was no information on that part of the disc (that disc only has 2 episodes and no extras). Sometimes I wonder if companies pre-ruin their discs so down the road we have to buy the movies again. If it's true that DVDs "last a lifetime" and don't wear out like VHS (though personally I've never worn out a VHS after almost 20 years) then they lose money in the long run. Though I hear DVDs are rendered useless if they get scratches on them.

                                                         - - - Jeff

I'll bet that in only ten years we'll be buying movies on a format with higher resolution than DVDs.  I don't know if that format will still be on disc, or if an entire movie will be digitally stored on a chip, but high-definition TV is getting really close now, so the current DVD standard is going to have to change.  Maybe we shouldn't be buying so many DVDs (and believe me guys I wasted enough money already on laserdiscs) and instead just save our money for the goodies to come -- 16X9 HD TVs and such.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/4/01 5:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Some of us could die before then. Unlike laser discs, which were truly expensive and I didn't buy them, DVDs are reasonably priced. I don't regret buying the VHSs of the movies I now have on DVD. I enjoyed them while I could. Also, there's some very cool extras on laser that they may never put on DVD. It's all based on the whim of the public what gets released.

                                                          - - - Jeff



I don't regret the laserdisc I bought (well not most of them anyway).  For me I got into laserdiscs back in 1987 when the restored version of "Frankenstein" was available ONLY on laserdisc.  I bought that disc before I even had a player (I got someone who did have a player make a VHS copy for me.), the a company called Criterion put out the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" on laserdisc "letterboxed."  For me, a real movie nut, that was it, I had to have my favorite films on laserdisc.  Luckily I didn't have a larger income, otherwise I'd have spent a lot more on those things.  I also came to realize that most of the laserdiscs I just 'had to have' sat unwatched for years after I'd viewed them just two or three times.  In fact, most of the laserdiscs I still have, probably around a hundred, I rarely watch except for a handful of my VERY favorite movies.  This is the reason I've tried to 'cool it' as much as possible with the DVDs.  Unfortunately DVDs are so relatively cheap, $15 to $30, so sometimes it's hard to resist buying something.  But thank goodness there are DVD rental options.  Ummm. . . why am I talking so much about this?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlYo!  Heads up to anyone who has AMC on cable.  Tonight, Tuesday, at 10 PM eastern time, they're showing this documentary "Into the Shadows: The CIA in Hollywood."  They may talk about how John Chambers helped them with disguises.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/4/01 4:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Rory,

I think unlike Laser Discs (nobady really bought players except the real enthusiasts), DVD is taking off and the market should mean that like VHS (and unlike Beta), there will always be a place for it.

I could be wrong.......



I think there's a pretty good chance DVDs will completely replace VHS as the rental format of choice in maybe as little as the next five years, BUT people will still want to be able to record stuff off TV for time-shifting purposes.  Will VHS fall by the wayside to be replaced by T-VO or recordable DVDs?  I don't think so.  There's a lot of VHS recorders out there and a lot of people very happy with them.  VHS will hang on for a while longer.  But I think by decade's end there will be a higher-resolution video format (HD DVDs?) that the high-end geeks will have to have and may bring the era of the current DVD format to an end, though by that time there will, like VHS, be a lot of people with DVD players and DVD collections out there -- and very happy with them.  But all this depends a lot on how the world economy goes in the next ten years.  Stay alive and we'll all see what happens.

-- Rory<.html

I have the Terry Hayes script. I'll have to check but I believe that the
female chimp character (there seems to only be one female chimp main
character in every Apes story) was called Zora. I'm not sure about her being
a dominatrix, but I don't think she was the kind loving soul the females are
usually portrayed as. I'll try and dig it out give you a more detailed
character analysis unless someone else has a copy handy. I think that was
one of the reasons I didn't care much for the script. That and that
ridiculous AIDs babies plot line.

.htmlIn a message dated 12/4/2001 11:09:47 AM Central Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

If the series had lasted I think we would have seen
Urko attempt a coup like Aldo at some point.

In a way, we did see Urko attempt a coup...in "The Cure". Towards the end it's not so much Urko vs. Zoran...it's Urko vs. the  High Council. It's covered in more detail in the novel than the actual episode. Lines from the novelization include: "If the circumstances were not settled quickly, Zaius and the council would be dead, and Urko would assume all the powers and priviliges of dictator. The gorillas would receive the special status they had sought for hundreds of years." and also,"The real horror lurking behind the scenes here was the potential of Urko wrestling all the power and all control of apes and human beings everywhere."

Even Galen has some idea of what's going on when he says "If Zoran loses, Urko wins. More authority, more freedom to run things the way he wants. Urko wants power to do things his way, and it's not a very nice way.'<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/4/2001 11:09:47 AM Central Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

If the series had lasted I think we would have seen
Urko attempt a coup like Aldo at some point.

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Hey - my Ape site is up and running. You should check it out..I have
a shitload of info, and alot of media -
http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net Also, does anyone know when the
TV series DVD set is coming out in Australia?

-ryan

Some good stuff, Ryan. What's the cover art for the 2nd Burton DVD (the
one with the faces)? Is that the Australian one? I like that better.

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <ryanc_873@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [pota] My site and TV series DVD


> Hey - my Ape site is up and running. You should check it out..I have
> a shitload of info, and alot of media -
> http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net Also, does anyone know when the
> TV series DVD set is coming out in Australia?
>
> -ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlWell, that show on AMC tonight about the CIA had a lot to say about John Chambers, and in fact the film was dedicated to him.  Be sure to check it out when it's repeated.

-- Rory<.html

Hey - my Ape site is up and running. You should check it out..I have
a shitload of info, and alot of media -
http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net Also, does anyone know when the
TV series DVD set is coming out in Australia?

-ryan


Very nice Ryan.
Keep up the good work. If it's one thing I don't miss about hosting, that's
the hard work. But it is in itself very rewarding.
Being creative is a very cool thing!

Best.
Al


_____

--- In pota@y..., "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@m...> wrote:

> Hey - my Ape site is up and running. You should check it out..I have
> a shitload of info, and alot of media -
> http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net Also, does anyone know when

the

> TV series DVD set is coming out in Australia?
>
> -ryan
>
>
> Very nice Ryan.
> Keep up the good work. If it's one thing I don't miss about

hosting, that's

> the hard work. But it is in itself very rewarding.
> Being creative is a very cool thing!
>
> Best.
> Al
>
> Thanks guys :) An answer to your question Jeff, yes, that's the

cover. It's pretty cool, eh?

-ryan

> _________________________________________________________________

Hi Ryan from a fellow Aussie (in Canberra).

Fox has not decided to release the DVD of the TV Series down here.

A friend of mine who is also in this group (Ken Taylor) worked at Fox and he
designed a lot of the Aussie release POTA covers (including the VHS TV
Series Box Set).

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: colicab743 [ryanc_873@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 20:44
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: My site and TV series DVD
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@m...> wrote:
> > Hey - my Ape site is up and running. You should check it out..I have
> > a shitload of info, and alot of media -
> > http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net Also, does anyone know when
> the
> > TV series DVD set is coming out in Australia?
> >
> > -ryan
> >
> >
> > Very nice Ryan.
> > Keep up the good work. If it's one thing I don't miss about
> hosting, that's
> > the hard work. But it is in itself very rewarding.
> > Being creative is a very cool thing!
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> > Thanks guys :) An answer to your question Jeff, yes, that's the
> cover. It's pretty cool, eh?
>
> -ryan
> > _____

"Total Movie" magazine (Dec/Jan 2002) has an interview with David Prior,
the dude that produced the Burton "Apes" DVD (also the acclaimed "Fight
Club" and "Die Hard" ones). The big question is how to you produce a big 2
disc DVD 4 months after the movie hit theatres. The answer: very carefully.
It's a given now that blockbusters hit big and fall off fast (even "Harry
Potter" dropped 58%). This is the way it's going to be, open in a mass of
theatres and hype the hell out of it so people will see it the first
weekend. "Apes" made almost half it's U.S. money it's first weekend. So now
studios want faster turn around time from theatre to video (perhaps people
will buy a movie they wouldn't ordinarily buy because, hey, it was JUST in
theatres). I guess "X-Men" was the ice breaker, going to DVD quick and
raking in the dough. According to the article "Apes" ' 4 months is something
of a record but I thought "Final Fantasy" was quicker. Maybe not.
Anyway, for "Apes" Prior says the material for the DVD was scheduled for 3
days after the film's release but "I haven't made my due dates in a long
time, as anyone at Fox will no doubt woefully attest, so we went a little
over. But it was for the benefit of the disc. In any event, it wasn't more
than 2 weeks late". It's no longer, "Apes" did well, let's do a special
edition . These things are planned before a movie is even filmed. That's why
Fox is doing a 2 disc set for that Michael douglas thriller from August, so
forgetable I can't even remember the title. Prior found the going easier
because he had an obvious focus for the extras: the makeup, the design, etc.
But there's also something to be said for hindsight and I think things are
perhaps getting too speeded up, and perhaps some thought is missing from
these corporate wonders. Any opinions?

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: My site and TV series DVD


> Hi Ryan from a fellow Aussie (in Canberra).
>
> Fox has not decided to release the DVD of the TV Series down here.
>
> A friend of mine who is also in this group (Ken Taylor) worked at Fox and
he
> designed a lot of the Aussie release POTA covers (including the VHS TV
> Series Box Set).
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: colicab743 [ryanc_873@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 20:44
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Re: My site and TV series DVD
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@m...> wrote:
> > > Hey - my Ape site is up and running. You should check it out..I have
> > > a shitload of info, and alot of media -
> > > http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net Also, does anyone know when
> > the
> > > TV series DVD set is coming out in Australia?
> > >
> > > -ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > Very nice Ryan.
> > > Keep up the good work. If it's one thing I don't miss about
> > hosting, that's
> > > the hard work. But it is in itself very rewarding.
> > > Being creative is a very cool thing!
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > > Thanks guys :) An answer to your question Jeff, yes, that's the
> > cover. It's pretty cool, eh?
> >
> > -ryan
> > > _____

.htmlAny opinions?   Well, first, I subscribe to this damn mag, so where's my issue?!!!   But, ayway, who was it I read just said (I think Billy Bob Thorton) that movies by the studios today aren't really movies -- they're not about characters and their development -- instead they're rides or just movie junk food, a quick entertainment fix, soon forgotten then on to the next one.  Yeah, that's pretty much it.  And it makes me wonder why get excited about an APES 2 or anything these days?  I don't know.  Thank God for the classic films.

-- Rory





In a message dated 12/5/01 9:13:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 "Total Movie" magazine (Dec/Jan 2002) has an interview with David Prior,
the dude that produced the Burton "Apes" DVD (also the acclaimed "Fight
Club" and "Die Hard" ones). The big question is how to you produce a big 2
disc DVD 4 months after the movie hit theatres. The answer: very carefully.
It's a given now that blockbusters hit big and fall off fast (even "Harry
Potter" dropped 58%). This is the way it's going to be, open in a mass of
theatres and hype the hell out of it so people will see it the first
weekend. "Apes" made almost half it's U.S. money it's first weekend. So now
studios want faster turn around time from theatre to video (perhaps people
will buy a movie they wouldn't ordinarily buy because, hey, it was JUST in
theatres). I guess "X-Men" was the ice breaker, going to DVD quick and
raking in the dough. According to the article "Apes" ' 4 months is something
of a record but I thought "Final Fantasy" was quicker. Maybe not.
 Anyway, for "Apes" Prior says the material for the DVD was scheduled for 3
days after the film's release but "I haven't made my due dates in a long
time, as anyone at Fox will no doubt woefully attest, so we went a little
over. But it was for the benefit of the disc. In any event, it wasn't more
than 2 weeks late". It's no longer, "Apes" did well, let's do a special
edition . These things are planned before a movie is even filmed. That's why
Fox is doing a 2 disc set for that Michael douglas thriller from August, so
forgetable I can't even remember the title. Prior found the going easier
because he had an obvious focus for the extras: the makeup, the design, etc.
But there's also something to be said for hindsight and I think things are
perhaps getting too speeded up, and perhaps some thought is missing from
these corporate wonders. Any opinions?

                                                   - - - - Jeff

<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> "Those lousy, human bastards!" Oh well, ya win some ya lose some.

Hopefully I'll be able to get it on import or from the Foxhome
site :) Thanks anyway Mike!

-ryan

Hi Ryan from a fellow Aussie (in Canberra).

>
> Fox has not decided to release the DVD of the TV Series down here.
>
> A friend of mine who is also in this group (Ken Taylor) worked at

Fox and he

> designed a lot of the Aussie release POTA covers (including the VHS

TV

> Series Box Set).
>
> Michael
> _____

No problemo Ryan.

Hey, is Yahoo going nuts again or is it very quiet in here?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: colicab743 [ryanc_873@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2001 18:15
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: My site and TV series DVD
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > "Those lousy, human bastards!" Oh well, ya win some ya lose some.
> Hopefully I'll be able to get it on import or from the Foxhome
> site :) Thanks anyway Mike!
>
> -ryan
>
> Hi Ryan from a fellow Aussie (in Canberra).
> >
> > Fox has not decided to release the DVD of the TV Series down here.
> >
> > A friend of mine who is also in this group (Ken Taylor) worked at
> Fox and he
> > designed a lot of the Aussie release POTA covers (including the VHS
> TV
> > Series Box Set).
> >
> > Michael
> > _____

In a message dated 12/1/01 1:50:58 AM Central Standard Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

<< And I for one don't think it looks anything like a "beach ball". >>


I ment to put 'in some shots'.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/1/01 1:52:13 PM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<<
Yeah, I know it was Goatcheeseass I just didn't get around to addressing the
topic until the next post. >>

*Yawn* - I've heard better.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/1/01 4:41:17 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I think it looked awkward and I think that was where I first saw the angle
Joe is referring to (side) where the helmet looks like a baloon at the rear.
I remember thinking "that looks queer". >>

Yeah, axactly what I'm refering to. In the begining, during his 'Power'
speech, it looks weird.

-Joe

I've got a question about the CD that comes with the PotA CD. Well, min
didn't have it, but my brother's did, or so I think. He gave me it a few
days ago and said that he didn't need it. I didn't bother to ask if it was
from the DVD or not. Anyway, the question - What does it look like? Does it
have a picture of Thade holding a sword on it, with 'Planet of the Apes'
printed in Puke-bile color in the upper left? With Semos (?)? That's what
mine looks like. I just wanted to know if it came from the DVD or if I have
something special here.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/2/01 10:54:17 PM Central Standard Time,
melkor@... writes:

<< Didn't anyone bother to tell Tim Burton that POTA is not "The Wizard of
Oz"? >>

Sorry to say, but the original Apes have hints of other movies in them too.
And having Oz helmets in PotA2001 I'm sure didn't ruin the movie for some.
Other things ruined it for them.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/6/01 2:31:20 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Hey, is Yahoo going nuts again or is it very quiet in here? >>

Well, I've been gone for a bit, but I'm back. Not like I talk much anyway.
:)

-Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 12/6/2001 3:32:11 PM Central Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

I just wanted to know if it came from the DVD or if I have
something special here.

Yup, that's it, CheeseGOATASS!

<.html

According to "The Hollywood Reporter", "Apes" is still #1 in DVD rentals
($30 million the first 2 weeks) but 2nd place this week to "Grinch" in DVD
sales. And now "Pearl Harbor" has arrived (any deleted scenes with Ron
Harper?) so the party is
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: [pota] DVD - CD question.


> I've got a question about the CD that comes with the PotA CD. Well, min
> didn't have it, but my brother's did, or so I think. He gave me it a few
> days ago and said that he didn't need it. I didn't bother to ask if it
was
> from the DVD or not. Anyway, the question - What does it look like? Does
it
> have a picture of Thade holding a sword on it, with 'Planet of the Apes'
> printed in Puke-bile color in the upper left? With Semos (?)? That's
what
> mine looks like. I just wanted to know if it came from the DVD or if I
have
> something special here.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/6/01 4:35:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

In a message dated 12/2/01 10:54:17 PM Central Standard Time,
melkor@... writes:

<< Didn't anyone bother to tell Tim Burton that POTA is not "The Wizard of
Oz"? >>

Sorry to say, but the original Apes have hints of other movies in them too.  
And having Oz helmets in PotA2001 I'm sure didn't ruin the movie for some.  
Other things ruined it for them.

-Joe

Both 1968's "Planet of the Apes" and 1939's "The Wizard of Oz" have a protagonist that becomes unconscious near the beginning of the story, have cornfields, and feature special creative makeups.

Think about it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/6/01 8:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 According to "The Hollywood Reporter", "Apes" is still #1 in DVD rentals
($30 million the first 2 weeks) but 2nd place this week to "Grinch" in DVD
sales. And now "Pearl Harbor" has arrived (any deleted scenes with Ron
Harper?) so the party is
     - - - Jeff

And then there's that damn "Rush Hour 2" coming!  God Damn that film all to hell!!!

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Pointy red hats

In a message dated 12/6/01 4:35:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

In a message dated 12/2/01 10:54:17 PM Central Standard Time,
melkor@... writes:

<< Didn't anyone bother to tell Tim Burton that POTA is not "The Wizard of
Oz"? >>

Sorry to say, but the original Apes have hints of other movies in them too.  
And having Oz helmets in PotA2001 I'm sure didn't ruin the movie for some.  
Other things ruined it for them.

-Joe

Both 1968's "Planet of the Apes" and 1939's "The Wizard of Oz" have a protagonist that becomes unconscious near the beginning of the story, have cornfields, and feature special creative makeups.

Think about it.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:28 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Week 2

In a message dated 12/6/01 8:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 According to "The Hollywood Reporter", "Apes" is still #1 in DVD rentals
($30 million the first 2 weeks) but 2nd place this week to "Grinch" in DVD
sales. And now "Pearl Harbor" has arrived (any deleted scenes with Ron
Harper?) so the party is
     - - - Jeff

And then there's that damn "Rush Hour 2" coming!  God Damn that film all to hell!!!

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

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Both 1968's "Planet of the Apes" and 1939's "The Wizard of Oz" have a protagonist that becomes unconscious near the beginning of the story, have cornfields, and feature special creative makeups.

Yeah, but the real question is . . . Will either the 2001 POTA, or the '68 Original, sync up to any of the Pink Floyd albums?<.html

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Now I heard it was Dark Side of the Moon not the Wall that plays with Wizard
of Oz. If so, when DO you start it. I have both cd's and probably have a copy
of Oz somewhere. I'd like to try it out. I am fully convinced that Pink Floyd
never intentionally released an album to coincide with Wiz but it would be
interesting to see how they play together.

Loc


In a message dated 12/7/01 5:24:59 AM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< So is it true about the W of Oz and The Wall?

Where do you start playing the Wall from - is it just after the lion roars?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]

Yeah, but the real question is . . . Will either the 2001 POTA, or the '68
Original, sync up to any of the Pink Floyd albums?

>>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/7/2001 5:24:35 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So is it true about the W of Oz and The Wall?

No.
It's The Dark Side Of The Moon<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/7/2001 5:27:58 AM Central Standard Time, locutusatwolf359@... writes:

If so, when DO you start it

Second Lion roar..

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In a message dated 12/7/01 5:37:51 AM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< In a message dated 12/7/2001 5:27:58 AM Central Standard Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

> If so, when DO you start it

Second Lion roar..

>>

Cool! I might have to do this today if I can find my copy of Oz.

Loc

With a little experimentation I bet "The Dark Side of the Moon" would
play great with "Planet of the
- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <locutusatwolf359@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Pink Floyd The Wallzard (OT)


> In a message dated 12/7/01 5:37:51 AM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << In a message dated 12/7/2001 5:27:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> locutusatwolf359@... writes:
>
>
> > If so, when DO you start it
>
> Second Lion roar..
> >>
> Cool! I might have to do this today if I can find my copy of Oz.
>
> Loc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Yeah, happy birthday Jimmy and Merry Christmas! How old did he turn?

-ryan

.htmlIn a message dated 12/8/2001 2:57:37 AM Central Standard Time, ryanc_873@... writes:

Yeah, happy birthday Jimmy and Merry Christmas!  How old did he turn?

-ryan

She said he was born in 1945, so that'd make him 56.....<.html

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Subject: Pink Floyd The Wallzard (OT)
>So is it true about the W of Oz and The Wall?

Dark Side of the Moon, actually, and yep -- it's true! A friend of mine
and I tried it out last year, and it's pretty damn cool.

>Where do you start playing the Wall from - is it just after the lion roars?

Some say after the second roar, others after the third. We found tha
everything synched better after the third. The interesting thing is that
it doesn't just play through once -- it plays through three times! In
other words, when the CD ends, pause the DVD at the exact moment the
heartbeats on the last song end, then start the CD and DVD again at the
same time. The music still matches! Even more bizarre... you can do it a
third time and it STILL matches!

Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:

> With a little experimentation I bet "The Dark Side of the Moon" would
> play great with "Planet of the
> - - - - Jeff

Jeff, just once I'd like to see you actually finish one of your

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So would - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Pink Floyd The Wallzard (OT)


> Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:
> > With a little experimentation I bet "The Dark Side of the Moon" would
> > play great with "Planet of the
> > - - - - Jeff
>
> Jeff, just once I'd like to see you actually finish one of your
>
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In a message dated 12/8/01 6:54:35 AM Central Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

<< Jeff, just once I'd like to see you actually finish one of your >>

It's not his fault. When he sends the E-mail out, sometimes the last few
words get cut off.

-Joe

<CheeseGOTAS@...> wrote:

> << Jeff, just once I'd like to see you actually finish one of your >>
>
> It's not his fault. When he sends the E-mail out, sometimes the last few
> words get cut off.

I'd noticed. It was a joke. Why does nobody ever get my

Hi I posted an Ape fic at http://www.fanfiction.net and my pen name
is Humming Water . I would love some advice and some R&R . Thankes .

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Some say after the second roar, others after the third.  We found tha
everything synched better after the third.

Yeah, I think that depends on the lag of your cd player.
If you're cued up I think it's the third roar.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:57 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 826

Some say after the second roar, others after the third.  We found tha
everything synched better after the third.

Yeah, I think that depends on the lag of your cd player.
If you're cued up I think it's the third roar.


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
>Subject: Re: Pink Floyd The Wallzard (OT)
>I'd noticed. It was a joke. Why does nobody ever get my

D'ont worry, I got

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/2/2001 9:40:35 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>

How's this for a speculation? The helmet worn by Urko (in 3085) had
paint on it for a reason: so the 'glyph' on it could be more easily
"read" by some ape who's not close enough to see the various component
symbols the glyph is comprised of. This very same helmet is passed
down, General-to-General, over the course of the next 870 years... and
so, in 3955, Ursus wears this same helmet--and the paint has long
since worn off over the centuries.While your idea here is not totally
out of the question, I'd say no. I mean I'm sure they could very
easily just make new helmets for their various gorilla leaders over
the centuries. Come to think of it, even Urko must have more than one
helmet himself. "Why?", well look at the episode 'The Trap'...he loses
his helmet as he and Burke fall into the subway, and does not have it
in the rest of the show, yet he has a helmet in later episodes. So,
unless Zako picked it up before he left the city (and gave it back to
Urko,) they must have other helmets around that are easily accessable.
And also, I'm sure there is not just one helmet for the entire Ape
kingdom, because there are at least 2 populations, west coast (tv) and
east coast (Planet and Beneath.) And I'm sure there is more than one
general in command at one time. (At least one for each heavily
populated area of their nation)...It's just that Urko and "later"
Ursus are the top commanders in the settings the various stories take
place, so we actually see them. But, as with you, this is speculation
on my part. Perhaps the plated armor worn by Ursus was contrived AFTER
the time of Urko. Is it, one wonders, bullet-proof? As to the
armor...perhaps it is just a later design created for subsequent
generals...Or, maybe it is that way because Urko would just be the
rank of general, while the warlord Ursus could be the equivalent of a
4 star general, and because of his even higher ranking, his outfit
would show this by being more elaborate. And as for it being bullet
proof, this I know isn't so, just look at Beneath....Ursus gets shot
(and killed) by Brent.

Good point regarding "The Trap"; I'll have to check again as to
whether or not Urko--after his horse throws him--still has his helmet
on when he & Burke fall into the BART station.
As for the "bullet-proof" plated armor--perhaps it was INTENDED to be
bullet proof, yet was NOT sufficiently so. Maybe the rifle was loaded
with 'armor-piercing' bullets; remember, Brent shoots Ursus with a
gorilla soldier's rifle and, since "Ape shall never kill Ape" Ursus,
perhaps, doesn't think he has anything to fear from an ape's rifle.
Incidentally, the 'armor' worn by Ursus seems identical to the costume
worn by one of the Norman (? Viking?) soldiers in "The War Lord"
(directed by Franklin Schaffner, starring Chuck Heston & Maurice
Evans). Check it out and see if I'm right--when I watched that flick,
it sure looked like what Ursus wore in "Beneath".
In regards to the "two populations" of apes (East coast and West
coast--sounds like the damn 'rap' scene!), granted that in BATTLE and
POTA TV there is an ape civilization in the California area and that
in PLANET & BENEATH there is an ape civilization in the New York/New
Jersey area--but we have no way of knowing if the civilization in
California flourished until 3955. As for the NY/NJ area, we know from
Cornelius' findings at the Cave (and his culture's 'sacred' history)
that the Sacred Scrolls were written 1200 years prior to 3955 (i.e.
circa 2755), and that about a century before that there was "a stage
of primitive barbarism" involving "carnivorous gorillas" (circa
2650's), whereas the "more ancient" and "more advanced" culture (i.e.
OUR culture) predated THAT by "some 700 years, roughly".
So, at some point, the flourishing culture in California either sent
out colonial groups across North America, or a mass exodus of Apes
left California for the NY/NJ area some time after 3085. Note that
both cultures speak the SAME language (no dialectical divergence, as
happened when Latin-speaking peoples in Europe formed their own
'Romance' languages: Spanish, Italian, French, Portuguese, etc.), and
wear the SAME style of clothing, using the same "glyph" symbols on
their garb. It is never mentioned (in PLANET & BENEATH) that the NY
area is the ONLY area the Lawgiver's civilization inhabited (the John
Huston 'Lawgiver'--who doesn't hate humanity the way the author of the
Sacred Scrolls does--teaches/preaches to a group of integrated Apes &
Humans in 2670 near a statue of Caesar (whose history is later hidden
by the Zaius-types, those "in-the-know", who had access to "history
scrolls kept hidden from the masses" ["ESCAPE"].
I think there was some sort of mass-migration 'eastwards' post-3085
and pre-3955, accounting for the nearly identical details (of language
and clothing style, etc.). And, remember, there has to be a reason for
the presence of the Alpha Omega bomb in NYC in 3955--despite the fact
that in BATTLE it was in Kolp's possession in Breck's city, which was
on the west coast (being a coastal city--receiving shipments of apes
at a harbor); John Jakes' novelization references the west-coast/
California info in the opening chapter.
Why does the Mendez group of mutants migrate from the California area
to the NY/NJ area? Perhaps a natural disaster (say, a meteor strike in
the Pacific Ocean?) and/or an all-out race war (resulting in the
worsening treatment of humans, from slaves to animals) involving not
only Apes & Humans, but also those dwelling 'beneath' the surface...
The novel I'm working on (which DOES treat the movies & TV (live-
action) series as 'canon'--though NOT the cartoon) will go into more
detail regarding all this (including the curious detail that the "full
moon" is visible during the episode "The Liberator"--yet in 3955,
although Cornelius mentions a "high tide" that prevents traveling
along the shore of the river leading to the sea/ocean, Dodge laments
the "cloud cover at night... that strange luminosity... yet THERE'S NO
MOON" !!!
What could possibly happen to the Moon between 3085 and 3955 so as to
cause it to disappear from sight (neither Taylor nor his crewmen are
able to see it) yet still exert a gravitational tidal effect ("high
tide") on Earth's bodies of water?
In my novel's plot, the Moon is going to be purposely converted into a
black hole. As to WHO does it, WHY it is done, etc. well, provided I
ever finish the damn thing and get it published, you'll just have to
wait (at least, for MY speculation/scenario)!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> Yo! Heads up to anyone who has AMC on cable. Tonight, Tuesday, at 10 PM
> eastern time, they're showing this documentary "Into the Shadows: The CIA in
> Hollywood." They may talk about how John Chambers helped them with disguises.
>
> -- Rory

I saw the last 40 minutes or so. Man! John Chambers (like Alan Turing
60 years ago) was an unsung hero--thank goodness his heroism is now
being sung! The brief interview towards the end, showing his two
awards (his special Oscar for PLANET OF THE APES and his CIA award)
was incredibly touching.
I have one thing to say to the sons-of-bitches who kidnapped the
people Chambers helped to rescue: "ARGO fuck yourselves!" (this'll
make sense if you've seen the documentary on AMC).

Damn them! Damn them alll
to
helllll!

I wasn't able to tape the CIA thing Thursday and this morning it was
supposed to be on at 9:30 AM, but that was Eastern time so I only got the
last 15 minutes. If they can show "The Sugarland Express" 5 times a day why
can't they show their original programs more? testing: more
- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:09 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Chambers perhaps?


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Yo! Heads up to anyone who has AMC on cable. Tonight, Tuesday, at 10
PM
> > eastern time, they're showing this documentary "Into the Shadows: The
CIA in
> > Hollywood." They may talk about how John Chambers helped them with
disguises.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> I saw the last 40 minutes or so. Man! John Chambers (like Alan Turing
> 60 years ago) was an unsung hero--thank goodness his heroism is now
> being sung! The brief interview towards the end, showing his two
> awards (his special Oscar for PLANET OF THE APES and his CIA award)
> was incredibly touching.
> I have one thing to say to the sons-of-bitches who kidnapped the
> people Chambers helped to rescue: "ARGO fuck yourselves!" (this'll
> make sense if you've seen the documentary on AMC).
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/9/01 1:54:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Damn them! Damn them alll
                                            to
                                               helllll!

I wasn't able to tape the CIA thing Thursday and this morning it was
supposed to be on at 9:30 AM, but that was Eastern time so I only got the
last 15 minutes. If they can show "The Sugarland Express" 5 times a day why
can't they show their original programs more? testing: more
                                                   - - - - Jeff

Oh, well that was the last time this month they'll be showing it, but I'll let you know in advance if it's going to be on next month (I get the AMC mag.).

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/9/2001 8:55:58 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Good point regarding "The Trap"; I'll have to check again as to
whether or not Urko--after his horse throws him--still has his helmet
on when he & Burke fall into the BART station.

Well, if he did have it on when as he fell into the subway station, it is left down there when he is rescued. Then the hole is covered again, so it'd be down there for good.<.html

"patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> So, at some point, the flourishing culture in California either sent
> out colonial groups across North America, or a mass exodus of Apes
> left California for the NY/NJ area some time after 3085.

We've covered this before, but I don't think there was a west coast ape
civilisation until the TV series. There may well have been one line or
something like that in the Battle novelisation, but I'd be tempted to
disregard it, because there is certainly nothing in the films to suggest
that Conquest or Battle took place there.

I know Rory loves to point out the intricate inconsistencies of the
geography in relation to NY, but even so I still believe it makes far more
sense to assume that Conquest/Battle took place in the east.

Alan

I am beginning to wonder if the "Alternate" Time Line replaces the nasty
lawgiver with a nice one in a society that praises Caesar, not the Lawgiver.

Maybe the statue of Caesar was to show how things have now changed.....

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]

(the John
Huston 'Lawgiver'--who doesn't hate humanity the way the author of the
Sacred Scrolls does--teaches/preaches to a group of integrated Apes & Humans
in 2670 near a statue of Caesar (whose history is later hidden by the
Zaius-types, those "in-the-know", who had access to "history scrolls kept
hidden from the masses" ["ESCAPE"].

If anyone's interested I could pull out my chronology from "Ape
Chronicles" and e-mail the basics. I did quite a bit of work on it, but that
was back in '93, so I don't remember the details.

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: [pota] Circlar vs Hasslein


> I am beginning to wonder if the "Alternate" Time Line replaces the nasty
> lawgiver with a nice one in a society that praises Caesar, not the
Lawgiver.
>
> Maybe the statue of Caesar was to show how things have now changed.....
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
>
> (the John
> Huston 'Lawgiver'--who doesn't hate humanity the way the author of the
> Sacred Scrolls does--teaches/preaches to a group of integrated Apes &
Humans
> in 2670 near a statue of Caesar (whose history is later hidden by the
> Zaius-types, those "in-the-know", who had access to "history scrolls kept
> hidden from the masses" ["ESCAPE"].
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

A couple days ago I said POTA was #2 in DVD sales it's second week.
Actually, it was #1 again. But part of the reason is that the "Grinch" sales
are split between the pan and scan and widescreen versions. Dvdfile.com says
the pan and scan version is selling about twice as many as widescreen,
probably because that's the version kids watch. "Apes" is not so
kid -friendly.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Circlar vs Hasslein


> If anyone's interested I could pull out my chronology from "Ape
> Chronicles" and e-mail the basics. I did quite a bit of work on it, but
that
> was back in '93, so I don't remember the details.
>
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:34 PM
> Subject: [pota] Circlar vs Hasslein
>
>
> > I am beginning to wonder if the "Alternate" Time Line replaces the nasty
> > lawgiver with a nice one in a society that praises Caesar, not the
> Lawgiver.
> >
> > Maybe the statue of Caesar was to show how things have now changed.....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> >
> > (the John
> > Huston 'Lawgiver'--who doesn't hate humanity the way the author of the
> > Sacred Scrolls does--teaches/preaches to a group of integrated Apes &
> Humans
> > in 2670 near a statue of Caesar (whose history is later hidden by the
> > Zaius-types, those "in-the-know", who had access to "history scrolls
kept
> > hidden from the masses" ["ESCAPE"].
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> >
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Oh, well that was the last time this month they'll be showing it, but I'll let you know in advance if it's going to be on next month (I get the AMC mag.).

Someone must have taped it.  I should have when it was on last time, but it didn't have much Apes in it.
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In a message dated 12/9/01 4:58:00 PM, veetus@... writes:

<< If anyone's interested I could pull out my chronology from "Ape
Chronicles" and e-mail the basics. I did quite a bit of work on it, but that
was back in '93, so I don't remember the details. >>

Please do!

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 12/9/01 2:38:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, alan@... writes:

I know Rory loves to point out the intricate inconsistencies of the
geography in relation to NY, but even so I still believe it makes far more
sense to assume that Conquest/Battle took place in the east.

Alan

I was actually going to reply to Patrick Michael Tilton's VERY long email this mourning, but having to go through all the reasons why it makes more sense that CONQUEST and BATTLE took place near the EAST coast, and that only ESCAPE and the TV series take place on the West coast, made me so tired before I hardly began that I just gave up.  I guess it just comes down to this: everybody keep POTA in your own way and look at it in whatever pleases you.  I know what I think, and what I think is more important to me than anything anybody else thinks.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/9/01 3:41:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I am beginning to wonder if the "Alternate" Time Line replaces the nasty
lawgiver with a nice one in a society that praises Caesar, not the Lawgiver.

Maybe the statue of Caesar was to show how things have now changed.....

Michael

Like duh!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/9/01 10:17:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

In a message dated 12/9/01 4:58:00 PM, veetus@... writes:

<<   If anyone's interested I could pull out my chronology from "Ape
Chronicles" and e-mail the basics. I did quite a bit of work on it, but that
was back in '93, so I don't remember the details. >>

Please do!

Matt

Yeah, by all means pull it out, Jeff.  Everybody here wants to look at it, so take it out and let us see it, Jeffery.  Matt might even want to touch it.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:29 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Circlar vs Hasslein

In a message dated 12/9/01 10:17:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

In a message dated 12/9/01 4:58:00 PM, veetus@... writes:

<<   If anyone's interested I could pull out my chronology from "Ape
Chronicles" and e-mail the basics. I did quite a bit of work on it, but that
was back in '93, so I don't remember the details. >>

Please do!

Matt

Yeah, by all means pull it out, Jeff.  Everybody here wants to look at it, so take it out and let us see it, Jeffery.  Matt might even want to touch it.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/9/2001 9:25:35 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I was actually going to reply to Patrick Michael Tilton's VERY long email this mourning,

For myself, I actually LIKE his long postings. At least he writes about APES with real thought to what he's saying. He doesn't set here coming up with stupid "jokes" and then that's the end of it. He has some good ideas, I can't say I'd agree with all he'd have to say, but at least we have him in here. I only wish more people would actually post in depth, it'd make reading the postings A LOT more interesting.<.html

.html In a message dated 12/9/2001 9:25:35 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I was actually going to reply to Patrick Michael Tilton's VERY long email this mourning,

For myself, I actually LIKE his long postings. At least he writes about APES with real thought to what he's saying. He doesn't set here coming up with stupid "jokes" and then that's the end of it. He has some good ideas, I can't say I'd agree with all he'd have to say, but at least we have him in here. I only wish more people would actually post in depth, it'd make reading the postings A LOT more interesting.
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.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/2001 3:32:32 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I think Rory has a valid point too - as interesting as Patrick's emails are, they do require time and energy to respond and I think you will find very few people actually do respond. Well, as you may also notice, the vast majority of the group doesn't seem to respond to anything. A long posting or a short posting seems to go unnoticed and unreplied to. I think this would also be something that would be a nice change of pace: If the other group members actually posted every now and then. Not only would we have some (possibly) new ideas to kick around that'd  keep the conversations going in here, but we'd also get to know what others think. Whether we'd agree with them or not isn't the point here, the point is "Let's keep the group from getting to the point of stagnation that it seems to be heading toward". It seems that (and I've said in the past as well,) there are only a few of us that post, and I'd like if more did. And as to what you said about the long postings being difficult to respond to: Well, while you may not have the time to reply to the entire posting, you can take a section out and reply to it that way as well.

Come on Rory, this is a CHAT group.  Whether or not you influence people or change their minds, the idea is certainly to discuss - so let's rap! Well put! While it may seem most good posting are posted in vain, I try to keep the group going when and where I can, though most of the time anything I say is left unnoticed. And that's another thing I think Rory was trying to say here: That he'd like to see the group go on as well, but he doesn't always like to be the one bringing up new topics, etc....I'd have to agree. There are currently 104 members in this group, yet it seems like only 10% post at all. Where are the others?!?! I think it'd help the group out a lot if the others came out of the woodwork and actually posted from time to time.


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For myself, I actually LIKE his long postings. At least he writes about APES with real thought to what he's saying. He doesn't set here coming up with stupid "jokes" and then that's the end of it. He has some good ideas, I can't say I'd agree with all he'd have to say, but at least we have him in here. I only wish more people would actually post in depth, it'd make reading the postings A LOT more interesting.

I was going to reply to it but I couldn't think of a joke.  But seriously . . .  I haven't had time to read it yet.  Perhaps after exams I'll have time to write something more thought provoking.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/01 4:32:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Come on Rory, this is a CHAT group.  Whether or not you influence people or change their minds, the idea is certainly to discuss - so let's rap!

Michael



I agree, I just didn't have the time.  Have you ever noticed how answering emails can take HOURS?  By the way, I typed 'mourning' instead of 'morning.'  I wonder what I was thinking?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/01 1:25:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Come on Rory, this is a CHAT group.  Whether or not you influence people or change their minds, the idea is certainly to discuss - so let's rap!

Well put! While it may seem most good posting are posted in vain, I try to keep the group going when and where I can, though most of the time anything I say is left unnoticed. And that's another thing I think Rory was trying to say here: That he'd like to see the group go on as well, but he doesn't always like to be the one bringing up new topics, etc....I'd have to agree. There are currently 104 members in this group, yet it seems like only 10% post at all. Where are the others?!?! I think it'd help the group out a lot if the others came out of the woodwork and actually posted from time to time.






Who actually posts here?  Me, Jeff, Mike, Michael, Matt, Joe, that dude from Texas who won't give his real name, and a few others WHO HAVE NO LIVES!!!  It's depressing.  Okay, no go ahead and discuss that!

-- Rory<.html

.html In a message dated 12/10/01 1:25:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Come on Rory, this is a CHAT group.  Whether or not you influence people or change their minds, the idea is certainly to discuss - so let's rap!

Well put! While it may seem most good posting are posted in vain, I try to keep the group going when and where I can, though most of the time anything I say is left unnoticed. And that's another thing I think Rory was trying to say here: That he'd like to see the group go on as well, but he doesn't always like to be the one bringing up new topics, etc....I'd have to agree. There are currently 104 members in this group, yet it seems like only 10% post at all. Where are the others?!?! I think it'd help the group out a lot if the others came out of the woodwork and actually posted from






Who actually posts here?  Me, Jeff, Mike, Michael, Matt, Joe, that dude from Texas who won't give his real name, and a few others WHO HAVE NO LIVES!!!  It's depressing.  Okay, no go ahead and discuss that!

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/2001 2:41:19 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

OK,

At risk of me having a wild tantrum 'a la Thade' if this does not get a response, I am still hopeful that I could one day send a list of extras to Fox and ask them if they have these in the vaults.

So let's start with Planet......

What UNRELEASED stuff is out there by way of TV Spots, Trailers, Interviews, Talk Shows, Deleted Scenes, Outtakes??

Eventually I plan to send a list to Fox and say "Why isn't this stuff on the DVD?  Does it still exist?".

**** Was the "Pregnant Nova" scene ever FILMED?  I know there are photos......

**** What other deleted scenes may exist for "Planet"?

I suggest we all attempt to respond, even if your response is to copy and paste "I don't know", then we can have a show of those present on the list.

Michael


Well, here I am responding to you. This is definitely the type of thing I'd like to see in here more often. Good choice for a subject .

Anyway, as far as unreleased footage goes, I myself don't know off too much other than the little bits that were in the NATO feature / featurettes. BUT, I have also heard of a scene of the astronauts in the Forbidden Zone setting under the dew collector (later worn by Dodge when they are in the cornfield scenes.) I did not get it clear as to whether or not he only has this as a still or if he has actual footage of it. Next time I contact him, I will re-ask him about this just to make sure I didn't misunderstand him.

As far as the pregnancy scene, while I, like you, have seen photos, I am not sue if it was filmed. My guess would be "Yes" it was. I suppose its possible that they would just take pics, but why bother doing that? I mean if you're all set up to shoot the scene, you might as well film it then too.

Well, I did think of a few more little bits that weren't included (again, I've only seen pictures of these.) There was a scene that took place after Lucius and Zira helped Taylor and Nova escape. They were stopped by some hunters and told they need to commandeer their wagon, and Lucius tells them to stay away because the beasts in their wagon are rabid. After hearing that, the gorillas let the pass. Another bit is Lucius asking Cornelius who put the scarecrows up. Cornelius says "The hunt club." to which Lucius asks "To scare humans?" and Cornelius repling "To scare us too, we're entering the Forbidden Zone." I've seen this last bit mentioned in both the comic adaption, as well as the back of one of the movie cards. (In the comic, he asks Zira, on the card, he asks Cornelius.)

So that is some possibly unreleased footage to add to the list for Planet.

As far as Beneath, I know the entire Ursus speech wasn't incuded, so that's a start right there. There was also a (possible) scene of Ursus, Zauis, and the minister debating the invasion. As before, this was in the comic adaption, and may not have been shot at all.

Escape: I know of the scene at the beginning of the Ape-O-Nauts in the ship. As for any other footage, who knows?

The other 2...Well, we know that Conquest was to be different, so I'm sure that footage exists from that. (After all, he had to cut a lot to make it PG. Who knows what was left on the cutting room floor. Maybe just more bloody revolt scenes, maybe additional footage.) As for Battle, I only know of the footage included in tv airings as well as the Japanese video discs. <.html

In a message dated 12/9/01 3:57:44 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< If anyone's interested I could pull out my chronology from "Ape
Chronicles" and e-mail the basics. I did quite a bit of work on it, but that
was back in '93, so I don't remember the details. >>

Sure, I wouldn't mind. I've heard a lot of talk about it from you, so I'd
like to check it out.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/10/01 1:14:18 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< Who actually posts here? Me, Jeff, Mike, Michael, Matt, Joe, that dude
from
Texas who won't give his real name, and a few others WHO HAVE NO LIVES!!!

>>

Lives? No thank you, I'm watching Apes tonight.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/10/01 2:41:06 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I suggest we all attempt to respond, even if your response is to copy and
paste "I don't know", then we can have a show of those present on the list.

Michael >>

Yeah... well, this may sound dumb, but I'd like to see some Julius scenes
WITHOUT the cigar, then some WITH the cigar (the same scene, of course), you
know, to see why the cigar is supposedly better and all.

That's all I can think of now.

-Joe

Oh, and there's that footage in the beginning when the astronauts are
traveling through the Forbidden Zone - The rope decent. It's noted in Planet
of hte Apes revisited in a letter to Frank Schaffner from Mort Abrams.

-Joe

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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:13 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Long postings and Where are the other group members?

In a message dated 12/10/01 1:25:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Come on Rory, this is a CHAT group.  Whether or not you influence people or change their minds, the idea is certainly to discuss - so let's rap!

Well put! While it may seem most good posting are posted in vain, I try to keep the group going when and where I can, though most of the time anything I say is left unnoticed. And that's another thing I think Rory was trying to say here: That he'd like to see the group go on as well, but he doesn't always like to be the one bringing up new topics, etc....I'd have to agree. There are currently 104 members in this group, yet it seems like only 10% post at all. Where are the others?!?! I think it'd help the group out a lot if the others came out of the woodwork and actually posted from time to time.

Who actually posts here?  Me, Jeff, Mike, Michael, Matt, Joe, that dude from Texas who won't give his real name, and a few others WHO HAVE NO LIVES!!!  It's depressing.  Okay, no go ahead and discuss that!

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/2001 5:21:07 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  How long does it take to post? It doesn't take an hour to go through the group's e-mails unless you've been gone two months. I think you're making a monkey out of a molehill.

What do you mean by that comment? If you were directing it toward me, I don't know why you would. I mean is saying that wanting to see others post every now and then a bad thing to say? I don't think so. I mean maybe the silent ones actually have something worthwhile listening to. I mean what's not being said in here has to be a lot better than a lot of what is said. (Yes, I'm sure that some in here think my postings are worthless, but hey, at least I make an effort to keep it on topic, and I try to be serious about it.)

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.html Although I enjoy reading the various posts ( with the exception of the bitchy personal attacks ) I don't care much for posting too often as I'm not really into hypothesizing as to where Urko's helmet came from ( it was  a leftover prop as far as I'm concerned ) or whatever. I just love APES for what it is and for the impact it had on me as a 12 year old when I first saw it in '75. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you're all still having fun (emphasis on 'fun' ) with it, I just don't care to contribute to avoid being labelled as negative or a 'party-pooper'. Plus, usually the responses I think of are already covered by other, more pro-active group members.
Best regards,
Ken.....The Lurker.

mlccougar@... wrote:

 In a message dated 12/10/2001 5:21:07 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
 
 

  How long does it take to post? It doesn't take an hour to go through the group's e-mails unless you've been gone two months. I think you're making a monkey out of a molehill.

What do you mean by that comment? If you were directing it toward me, I don't know why you would. I mean is saying that wanting to see others post every now and then a bad thing to say? I don't think so. I mean maybe the silent ones actually have something worthwhile listening to. I mean what's not being said in here has to be a lot better than a lot of what is said. (Yes, I'm sure that some in here think my postings are worthless, but hey, at least I make an effort to keep it on topic, and I try to be serious about it.)

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/2001 4:54:51 PM Central Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

Lives?

Yeah, I've got one of those around here some place.
I must have misplaced it.

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.htmlThere was a scene that took place after Lucius and Zira helped Taylor and Nova escape. They were stopped by some hunters and told they need to commandeer their wagon, and Lucius tells them to stay away because the beasts in their wagon are rabid. After hearing that, the gorillas let the pass.

This bit of business - humans with plague - was later used with McDowall in drag.  There's little doubt that it and the pregnancy scene were shot.  Were they even sound synched before the higher up had them snipped?  To paraphrase the quote ... Lawgiver, who know about the past.  And interesting aside, in the shooting script is has Zira throwing up, and Lucius say, "Your mate is sick." to Taylor.  In obvious yet interesting typo.
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.htmlIn a message dated 12/11/01 4:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

Although I enjoy reading the various posts ( with the exception of the bitchy personal attacks ) I don't care much for posting too often as I'm not really into hypothesizing as to where Urko's helmet came from ( it was  a leftover prop as far as I'm concerned ) or whatever. I just love APES for what it is and for the impact it had on me as a 12 year old when I first saw it in '75. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you're all still having fun (emphasis on 'fun' ) with it, I just don't care to contribute to avoid being labelled as negative or a 'party-pooper'. Plus, usually the responses I think of are already covered by other, more pro-active group members.
Best regards,
Ken.....The Lurker.

This is actually how I get myself into trouble; trying to make sense out of a series that has huge gaps in logic, and arguing with what others have to say.  I do sound negative and that's because basically I love the original movie for the huge affect it had on me when I first saw it as an eight-year-old.  Nothing that has come since has evere equalled the impact of the original, and nothing ever will.  The rest of the APES phenomenon is very problematic and some of it I simply just don't care for.  Even Joe Russo has told me that he's finding watching the TV show on DVD somewhat unpleasant.

Again, I don't have the time right now to say more, so I'll just have to leave it here.

-- Rory<.html

Anyone have any good links to Planet of the Apes PC Game Cheats.
Unlimited Life and so on?

Best.
Al


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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Long postings and Where are the other group members?

In a message dated 12/10/2001 5:21:07 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  How long does it take to post? It doesn't take an hour to go through the group's e-mails unless you've been gone two months. I think you're making a monkey out of a molehill.

What do you mean by that comment? If you were directing it toward me, I don't know why you would. I mean is saying that wanting to see others post every now and then a bad thing to say? I don't think so. I mean maybe the silent ones actually have something worthwhile listening to. I mean what's not being said in here has to be a lot better than a lot of what is said. (Yes, I'm sure that some in here think my postings are worthless, but hey, at least I make an effort to keep it on topic, and I try to be serious about it.)

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:35 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] A New Topic - Potential DVD material for "Planet"

There was a scene that took place after Lucius and Zira helped Taylor and Nova escape. They were stopped by some hunters and told they need to commandeer their wagon, and Lucius tells them to stay away because the beasts in their wagon are rabid. After hearing that, the gorillas let the pass.

This bit of business - humans with plague - was later used with McDowall in drag.  There's little doubt that it and the pregnancy scene were shot.  Were they even sound synched before the higher up had them snipped?  To paraphrase the quote ... Lawgiver, who know about the past.  And interesting aside, in the shooting script is has Zira throwing up, and Lucius say, "Your mate is sick." to Taylor.  In obvious yet interesting typo.


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:54 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Long postings and Where are the other group members?

In a message dated 12/11/01 4:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

Although I enjoy reading the various posts ( with the exception of the bitchy personal attacks ) I don't care much for posting too often as I'm not really into hypothesizing as to where Urko's helmet came from ( it was  a leftover prop as far as I'm concerned ) or whatever. I just love APES for what it is and for the impact it had on me as a 12 year old when I first saw it in '75. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you're all still having fun (emphasis on 'fun' ) with it, I just don't care to contribute to avoid being labelled as negative or a 'party-pooper'. Plus, usually the responses I think of are already covered by other, more pro-active group members.
Best regards,
Ken.....The Lurker.

This is actually how I get myself into trouble; trying to make sense out of a series that has huge gaps in logic, and arguing with what others have to say.  I do sound negative and that's because basically I love the original movie for the huge affect it had on me when I first saw it as an eight-year-old.  Nothing that has come since has evere equalled the impact of the original, and nothing ever will.  The rest of the APES phenomenon is very problematic and some of it I simply just don't care for.  Even Joe Russo has told me that he's finding watching the TV show on DVD somewhat unpleasant.

Again, I don't have the time right now to say more, so I'll just have to leave it here.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/11/01 1:20:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

It was directed at Rory and his comment that posting is a waste of time.                   - - - Jeff

When did I say posting was a waste of time?  Whatever I said I meant that at that time and on that subject (whatever it was) and for ME, it was a waste of time.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/11/01 1:24:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 "POTA Revisited" says the pregnancy scene was filmed and Lou Wagner says Kim Hunter nailed it. I'd love to ee it.

                                                         - - - - Jeff



Hopefully it's still in Fox's vaults with BOTH picture and sound.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/11/01 1:33:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Well, I'm more easygoing about it. I acknowledge the logic gaps but I just enjoy the concept. And I accept the limitations (lower budgets on the sequels, having to crank out a TV episode a week). The chronological gaps are just part of the beast. But what's wrong with people trying to fill in those gaps? There's no sound in space either, so "Star Wars" and "Star Trek" are f****d too. At least "Apes" didn't break that one (until Burton). If they started over and the original was the only one I think we'd be the poorer for it.                                                         - - - - Jeff

Fox would sure be poorer for it.  I don't see anything wrong with filling in the gaps, it's just sometimes I really disagree with the logic of what fans are trying to do.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Long postings and Where are the other group members?

In a message dated 12/11/01 1:33:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Well, I'm more easygoing about it. I acknowledge the logic gaps but I just enjoy the concept. And I accept the limitations (lower budgets on the sequels, having to crank out a TV episode a week). The chronological gaps are just part of the beast. But what's wrong with people trying to fill in those gaps? There's no sound in space either, so "Star Wars" and "Star Trek" are f****d too. At least "Apes" didn't break that one (until Burton). If they started over and the original was the only one I think we'd be the poorer for it.                                                         - - - - Jeff

Fox would sure be poorer for it.  I don't see anything wrong with filling in the gaps, it's just sometimes I really disagree with the logic of what fans are trying to do.

-- Rory
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Remember peoples! http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net - Be sure to
bookmark it, and use the Tell-A-Friend feature!!

-ryan

Remember peoples! http://www.planetoftheapesnet.cjb.net - Be sure to
bookmark it, and use the Tell-A-Friend feature!!

-ryan


You should also consider adding your site to serach engines.
That always helps, but your greatest advertisement is always word of mouth.
That's where your hard work pays off.

Best.
Al



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You have to pay for a place in a search engine like Yahoo! and stuff
like that.

-ryan

This was posted to another POTA e-group, thought it might be of interest.

Dan

> > >
> > > > A friend of mine from the original ape series auditioned for a part
> in
> > the
> > > > remake. He tells me the Ape sequel as pitched to him is very Back to
> > the
> > > > Future 2-ish. The Thade you see Marky Mark fighting at the end is

the

> > > Thade
> > > > that already stole the spaceship and altered Earth's history.
> According
> > to
> > > > my friend Thade stole the spaceship from the swamp.
> >
> >
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/12/01 8:38:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

A friend of mine from the original ape series auditioned for a part
in the remake. He tells me the Ape sequel as pitched to him is very Back to the Future 2-ish. The Thade you see Marky Mark fighting at the end is the Thade
that already stole the spaceship and altered Earth's history.  According to
my friend Thade stole the spaceship from the swamp.

This sounds kind of screwy to me, but if true then I guess there's a little of Dr. Milo in Thade.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Fw: POTA for the group

In a message dated 12/12/01 8:38:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

A friend of mine from the original ape series auditioned for a part
in the remake. He tells me the Ape sequel as pitched to him is very Back to the Future 2-ish. The Thade you see Marky Mark fighting at the end is the Thade
that already stole the spaceship and altered Earth's history.  According to
my friend Thade stole the spaceship from the swamp.

This sounds kind of screwy to me, but if true then I guess there's a little of Dr. Milo in Thade.

-- Rory

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You have to pay for a place in a search engine like Yahoo! and stuff
like that.

-ryan


Your talking about placing an add on a search engine.
I'm talking about just adding your site to a search engine, which is by the
way, is free.

try www.addme.com

This one will take you to all the main search engines, and add your site to
them all for free.

Use the force Luke.

Best.
Al





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