>From: LordTZer0@...
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>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] I've been afraid to ask...
>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:51:30 EST
>
>Yes, we liked the new movie. I don't know why everyone else liked it, but
>me
>and another guy named ViktorM liked it simply because of the talkin mon...,
>I
>mean, apes. ;o) There's really little else to like about it besides them
>IMHO.
>
>
>Yeah, nothin' beats talkin' monkeys. (in his best David Letterman goon
>voice)
> But LIKE is about the strongest word I can use about it. I'm still going
>to
>re-edit it and chop out all the stuff I Don't like. Heston's scene for
>starters...then Roth and Duncan brothers in arms scenes and all of
>Giamatti's
>zingers! That should make the thing flow like crap through a goose!

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He played Thade's father.

-Joe


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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Academy award


>
> As Fed Flintstone was know to remark . . . Wait just a rock picking
minute!
> Tough The Academy Awards are a popularity contest they aren't the only
awards
> around. So you can't really call it a snub. I just think the film making
> community as a whole do not award half-assed film making. Or maybe
they're
> mad about what was done to a landmark film too.
>
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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Warning: POTA Comic book spoiler

(who thinks the Lawgiver's name should be.....Dan!)

I think his name should be Gorock . . . or Steve.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:17 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] I've been meaning to ask...

Thy...why do you like the "new chimp chicks"? Everybody else hates them.

Easy there, Jeff.  Not everyone hates all of them.
Ari has grown on my.  Granted I didn't much care for the Bo Derek look they started with.  And they could have certainly done something with the others.  But . . . Don't speak to me in absolutes!  The evidence IS contestable!

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > You're probably thinking of Semos, the religious figure of
> Burton's apes. None of the figures are given names except Haristas in
> the Boulle book, the Lawgiver in the originals and Semos in the Burton
> thing. They don't go into religion very much. It's basically a play on
> Judeo-Christian beliefs using apes instead of people. Oh, and in the
> TV show they believed in "gods", not God. And though they had the
> small Lawgiver statue around, they never mentioned him.
> > - - -
> Jeff
>
> Regarding the "gods" mentioned in the TV show, it isn't a certainty
> that the entire Ape civilization shared the polytheistic belief system
> that the fishing community in "Tomorrow's Tide" held. I don't see the
> main Simian society worshipping a "pantheon" of deities, like the
> Egyptian/Greek/Roman civilizations did; in BATTLE, the "Lawgiver"
> (whom I've named--after "The Cure" reference--"Ornan") reads from a
> "history scroll" which by 3955 is no longer known save by Zaius, and
> he says, "In the beginning, God created Beast and Man, so that both
> might live in friendship and share dominion over a world at peace; but
> in the fullness of time, evil men betrayed God's trust..." etc. It
> seems evident that this monotheistic religion (which Caesar said--to
> MacDonald in CONQUEST--the apes would create) represents the
> 'mainstream' religion from the time of Caesar (1991-to-2018 and
> following) until at least 2670. Something happens during the next 85
> years to prompt another "Lawgiver" (whom I've named "Doswa", in
> reference to Effinger's novelization of "The Surgeon") to re-write the
> "sacred history" of the Apes, erasing any references to human
> civilization/language/enslavement-of-apes/etc.
> If some isolated communities (like the fishing village in "Tomorrow's
> Tide" or the human tribe in "The Liberator") have their own
> less-sophisticated polytheistic religions, that doesn't mean that the
> entire Ape "world" shares those beliefs.
> Just my two cents...
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 2-13-2002
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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Semos and Davidson


> --- In pota@y..., "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Not just interesting but true - I have heard Burton comment on
> this
> > and of
> > > Leo's comparison to Christ "Son Of David" - "Davidson".
> > >
> > > The spelling is Semos in novelisations and scripts, too.
> > >
> > > Who would have ever thought POTA 2001 had a degree of thought
> > involved in
> > > any of it?
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >
> > Yeah, Michael. Kinda shows how deeply shallow it was.
> >
> > --Helen
>
> I thought that the name "Leo" would be in reference to Jesus as being
> the "Lion of the tribe of Judah". Jesus' first advent was as the
> passover sacrificial Lamb... to be followed by the second advent as
> the "Lion"...
> You know what they say: "In like a Lamb, out like a Lion..."
> Or is it the other way around?
> Regardless, whatever symbolism they were trying to inject into
> Burton's flick with these names, it all adds up to a whole lotta
> nuthin goin' on. As far as I'm concerned, at any rate.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 2-13-2002
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:56 AM

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But I liked Ari in spite of the makeup, not because of it. I thought it ruins the final kiss, which is supposed to be an emotional moment.

You lost me there, Jeff.
The Kiss was ruined by the makeup?

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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:56 PM

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But I liked Ari in spite of the makeup, not because of it. I thought it ruins the final kiss, which is supposed to be an emotional moment.

You lost me there, Jeff.
The Kiss was ruined by the makeup?

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I thought the kiss worked just fine. Very touching actually.

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:56 AM

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But I liked Ari in spite of the makeup, not because of it. I thought it ruins the final kiss, which is supposed to be an emotional moment.

You lost me there, Jeff.
The Kiss was ruined by the makeup?

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  The makeup sticks out like a sore thumb. It takes you out of the scene. It's like when Heston does the "Damn them all to hell" bit during the death scene. Whatever those scenes had going for them is ruined. I'd rather Leo kissed Thade. At least his makeup was good.                                                        - - - Jeff

 

 

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But I liked Ari in spite of the makeup, not because of it. I thought it ruins the final kiss, which is supposed to be an emotional moment.

You lost me there, Jeff.
The Kiss was ruined by the makeup?

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Whatever those scenes had going for them is ruined. I'd rather Leo kissed Thade. At least his makeup was good. 

I don't see it Jeff.  Thade had a dead upper lip from Roth's big nose.  It looked like he was wearing half a pullover.  The only thing that took me out of the scene during The Kiss, was at the end, when she smiled so hard and it pulled up the corners of her mouth.  Something a bit more subtle was called for.  The sort of thing Kim does so well and Helena seems yet to have mastered.  Then again, the original had Chambers on set for every shot, making sure the angles were right, and extra teeth didn't show.  But even on the original, when Taylor loops the rope around Zaius' neck Evens pulls his upper lip under his lower lip.  It looks . . . very unnatural.

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:45 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

In a message dated 2/14/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Patrick - - -
      The apes refer to "gods" throughout the TV show, not just in
"Tomorrow's Tide". Probably a way to sugar coat it. Can't have apes
referring to "God" on a kid's show. What would the Bible Belt think? This
way they could say, "See, Jimmy? Those apes don't read their Bible. God has
shunned them".                                               - - - Jeff

Didn't Zaius have a line in the original that went something like, "The greatest ape of all, our Lawgiver"?   That would imply there was only one Lawgiver in the film series.  The Lawgiver in BATTLE isn't the manhating one mentioned in PLANET because of the changes in history brought about by the arrival of the apeonauts in 1973  (but then some of you don't agree there's two timelines in the original five films).  And as far as the TV show goes, it's not really part of the same universe as the film series, but should only be looked upon as "further adventures among the monkeys" BASED on BATTLE more than any of the other movies.

That's how I'll always look at it.

-- Rory

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

In a message dated 2/14/02 12:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

      The apes refer to "gods" throughout the TV show, not just in
"Tomorrow's Tide". Probably a way to sugar coat it. Can't have apes
referring to "God" on a kid's show. What would the Bible Belt think?

I believe it was because they based Ape society on the Romans.
Every thing was Prefect this and Latin name that.
They even has Jay Robinson for the gods sakes

You've got that right, T!

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veetus@... wrote:

.....Set it at the time of Taylor, but explore the rest of ape society. Maybe start it with some ape travelers finding the Statue of L. - - Jeff 

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

Good call, Jeff.  Have you read the "prequel" comic that director Mike Valerio wrote and published a few years back?  I think Steve Rude illustrated it.  Very much along your story-line.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

.....Set it at the time of Taylor, but explore the rest of ape society. Maybe start it with some ape travelers finding the Statue of L. - - Jeff 

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  Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/14/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Patrick - - -
      The apes refer to "gods" throughout the TV show, not just in
"Tomorrow's Tide". Probably a way to sugar coat it. Can't have apes
referring to "God" on a kid's show. What would the Bible Belt think? This
way they could say, "See, Jimmy? Those apes don't read their Bible. God has
shunned them".                                               - - - Jeff

Didn't Zaius have a line in the original that went something like, "The greatest ape of all, our Lawgiver"?   That would imply there was only one Lawgiver in the film series.  The Lawgiver in BATTLE isn't the manhating one mentioned in PLANET because of the changes in history brought about by the arrival of the apeonauts in 1973  (but then some of you don't agree there's two timelines in the original five films).  And as far as the TV show goes, it's not really part of the same universe as the film series, but should only be looked upon as "further adventures among the monkeys" BASED on BATTLE more than any of the other movies.

That's how I'll always look at it.

-- Rory

In the fan fic for the tv series that I'm writing, I decided to have it both ways.  SInce the original POTa movie says the Scrolls came about 1200 yrs ago, that would make it approx 300 years prior to the time of the POTA series.  So I decided to say that basically, some of the apes (primarily the rural areas) still believe in gods, while the city apes have mainly latched on to the Scrolls as the new religion grows. This is why ape does not kill ape is not such a big deal yet, either.

 I'm going by the two timeline thing, by the way.  Sorry if this isn't coherent enough for you - I'm in a hurry.

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

Good call, Jeff.  Have you read the "prequel" comic that director Mike Valerio wrote and published a few years back?  I think Steve Rude illustrated it.  Very much along your story-line.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

.....Set it at the time of Taylor, but explore the rest of ape society. Maybe start it with some ape travelers finding the Statue of L. - - Jeff 

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:50 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kiss This

Yes, I too want to see Leo kiss Thade - and there's no need to restrict it to a kiss.  I want steam!

 

Michael

 

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From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2002 23:50
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In a message dated 2/14/02 1:20:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  The makeup sticks out like a sore thumb. It takes you out of the scene. It's like when Heston does the "Damn them all to hell" bit during the death scene. Whatever those scenes had going for them is ruined. I'd rather Leo kissed Thade. At least his makeup was good.                                                        - - - Jeff

I agree with Jeff Toodles Veetus Krueger.  I can't argue with him on this point.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Come on Rory.......

In a message dated 2/14/02 3:50:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

How about these newbies flaunting their love of POTA 2001.  Get stuck into them Rory, but don't scare them away OK?

Michael

PHOOEY!!!   And to hell with all this blue shit, too!

> I to argue? That's Rory's job. - - - - Jeff
> >>

>>

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:50 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Another Setting

Or maybe the Sydney Opera House - or Big Ben.

 

Or the Sphynx for that matter.

 

Michael

 

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From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
 

 Maybe start it with some ape travelers finding the Statue of L. - - Jeff

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> Well, at least there's one more who's smart enough to realize the

> creates two timelines!
>
> -- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:50 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Old Dracula!

Wow!  Bela Lugosi's DRACULA opened on Valentine's Day 71 years ago!  FRANKENSTEIN will be 71 later this year, and old KING KONG turns 70 next year (I wonder if his DVD will be out then?).

I know this is unrelated to POTA, but I wonder if I'll be around to see POTA turn 70.  I'm not sure I want to.

-- Rory

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:50 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Another Setting

Or maybe the Sydney Opera House - or Big Ben.

 

Or the Sphynx for that matter.

 

Michael

 

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 Maybe start it with some ape travelers finding the Statue of L. - - Jeff

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From: "james611102" <Hardguy718@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name


> > Well, at least there's one more who's smart enough to realize the
> film series
> > creates two timelines!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> Come on!!! If you read any of Paul Dehn's interviews before he died
> (some are in the book Planet of the Apes Chronicles); he states very
> cleary the goal was to create one circular timeline. Remember the
> movies were made for the average movie goer not sci-fi fanatics who
> spend decades on endless theorizing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [Hardguy718@...]
> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2002 16:00
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>
>
> > Well, at least there's one more who's smart enough to realize the
> film series
> > creates two timelines!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> Come on!!! If you read any of Paul Dehn's interviews before he died
> (some are in the book Planet of the Apes Chronicles); he states very
> cleary the goal was to create one circular timeline. Remember the
> movies were made for the average movie goer not sci-fi fanatics who
> spend decades on endless theorizing.

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:54:15 -0800
>
> Just having some fun, sir. Mr. Dehn meant well but he left us with
>quite
>a few headaches. - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "james611102" <Hardguy718@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>
>
> > > Well, at least there's one more who's smart enough to realize the
> > film series
> > > creates two timelines!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> > Come on!!! If you read any of Paul Dehn's interviews before he died
> > (some are in the book Planet of the Apes Chronicles); he states very
> > cleary the goal was to create one circular timeline. Remember the
> > movies were made for the average movie goer not sci-fi fanatics who
> > spend decades on endless theorizing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>

For a writer who wanted to create a circular time-line, don't you think he got off on the wrong foot when he had Brent crash-landing on the planet over 20 yrs. before Taylor got there?  (according to the ship's reading)

I know I'm going to regret this,

Rory!   Re: my earlier posting about a circular time-line, I'm responding to this:

From: "james611102" <Hardguy718@...>
Subject: Re: Lawgiver's name

> Well, at least there's one more who's smart enough to realize the

> creates two timelines!
>
> -- Rory

Doncha read your mail, there?

>From: Brian <apeman@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:51:58 -0800
>
>Good call, Jeff. Have you read the "prequel" comic that director Mike
>Valerio wrote and published a few years back? I think Steve Rude
>illustrated it. Very much along your story-line.
>
>Brian
>
>veetus@... wrote:
>
> > .....Set it at the time of Taylor, but explore the rest of ape
> > society. Maybe start it with some ape travelers finding the Statue of
> > L. - - Jeff

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:09:58 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/15/02 7:02:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>sammo_of_borg@... writes:
>
> >
> > anyone know if this means that it is possible for the humans and apes to
> > live in peace, or is history doomed to "repeat" itself?
> >
> > -Sammo_of_Borg
> >
> >
>From the end of BATTLE it would seem so, and yet the statue weeps.
>
>-- Rory

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sammo Law [sammo_of_borg@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 8:22

> either that or zira and cornelius didnt pay attention in history class
>
> -Sammo_of_Borg

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:02 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Timeline/s

Or, as with human history (including the Bible) history has become distorted
in the re-telling.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sammo Law [sammo_of_borg@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 8:22

>   either that or zira and cornelius didnt pay attention in history class
>
> -Sammo_of_Borg



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> Uhhh...okay ... Kim Hunter was in A Streetcar Named Desire with

> Brando, who was in The Godfather II with Robert DeNiro, who was in

> with Joe Pesci, who was in JFK with Kevin Bacon!

> either that or zira and cornelius didnt pay attention in history

>
> -Sammo_of_Borg

> Or, as with human history (including the Bible) history has become

> in the re-telling.
>
> Michael

>From: "james611102" <Hardguy718@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:53:08 -0000
>
> > either that or zira and cornelius didnt pay attention in history
>class
> >
> > -Sammo_of_Borg
>
>You're making an assumption that the Apes, who never got beyond an
>18th century level of development, would keep historical records with
>the accuracy of 21th century technology, over a period of 2,000 years.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:17 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Talk about time lines...

At 8.02pm on February 20 this year will be an historic moment in time.

It will not be marked by the chiming of any clocks or the ringing of

bells, but at that precise time, on that specific date, something will

happen which has not occurred for 1,001 years and will never happen again.

As the clock ticks over from 8.01pm on Wednesday, February 20, time

will, for sixty seconds only, read in perfect symmetry:


2002, 2002, 2002,


or to be more precise:


20:02, 20/02, 2002.


It is an event which has happened only once before, and is something

which will never be repeated.

The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long

before the days of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock --- 10.01am

on January 10, 1001.

And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will

never happen again






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From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Talk about time lines...


> At 8.02pm on February 20 this year will be an historic moment in time.
>
> It will not be marked by the chiming of any clocks or the ringing of
>
> bells, but at that precise time, on that specific date, something will
>
> happen which has not occurred for 1,001 years and will never happen again.
>
> As the clock ticks over from 8.01pm on Wednesday, February 20, time
>
> will, for sixty seconds only, read in perfect symmetry:
>
>
> 2002, 2002, 2002,
>
>
> or to be more precise:
>
>
> 20:02, 20/02, 2002.
>
>
> It is an event which has happened only once before, and is something
>
> which will never be repeated.
>
> The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long
>
> before the days of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock --- 10.01am
>
> on January 10, 1001.
>
> And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will
>
> never happen again
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <Hardguy718@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name


> > either that or zira and cornelius didnt pay attention in history
> class
> >
> > -Sammo_of_Borg
>
> You're making an assumption that the Apes, who never got beyond an
> 18th century level of development, would keep historical records with
> the accuracy of 21th century technology, over a period of 2,000 years.
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Old Dracula!


> Marlon Brando was in Godfather I and didn't appear in Godfather II.
> DeNiro played Brando's character, Vito Corleone, as a young man in
> Part II. They did however appear together in The Score. DeNiro and
> Bacon appeared together in Sleepers.
>
> All right I missed one connection, which is easily fixed with Al Pacino.
> In that case. Kim Hunter was in POTA with Charton Heston, who was in El
Cid
> with Sophia Loren, Who was in Grumpier Old Men with Walter Matthau who was
in
> JFK with Kevin Bacon. And just for good measure Kim Hunter was in
Streetcar
> with Brando,who was in Don Juan DeMarco with Johnny Depp, who was in
Edward
> Scissorshands with Winona Ryder, who was in Bram Stoker's Dracula with
Gary
> Oldman who was in Criminal Justice And JFK with Kevin Bacon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Haristas@... wrote:

 

The "thing" that will happen is an abstraction and in the vast course of all "things" utterly meaningless.

-- Rory

Like most of what you talk about in this group?

(;-p

B

veetus@... wrote:

  The 3rd annual Makeup and Hairstylists Guild will present their awards
Sunday at the Beverly Hilton. Rick Baker and Co. are up for Best Special FX
Makeup for "Apes", and the Lifetime Achievement Award will be bestowed upon
John Chambers. Not the Oscars but something for fans of the new or old one.

   The BAFTA awards will be broadcast in America for the first time ever on
E! (March 1). So if Baker or Colleen Atwood win, you can hear them  say, " I
want to thank Tim Burton. Just kidding!". Toodles!

                                                               - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Talk about time lines...

> At 8.02pm on February 20 this year will be an historic moment in time.
>
> It will not be marked by the chiming of any clocks or the ringing of
>
> bells, but at that precise time, on that specific date, something will
>
> happen which has not occurred for 1,001 years and will never happen again.
>
> As the clock ticks over from 8.01pm on Wednesday, February 20, time
>
> will, for sixty seconds only, read in perfect symmetry:
>
>
> 2002, 2002, 2002,
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>
> or to be more precise:
>
>
> 20:02, 20/02, 2002.
>
>
> It is an event which has happened only once before, and is something
>
> which will never be repeated.
>
> The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long
>
> before the days of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock --- 10.01am
>
> on January 10, 1001.
>
> And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will
>
> never happen again
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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Talk about time lines...

Interesting. Another strange fact is that I was born on Feb. 22 at 2:22 AM and my next birthday will be on Feb. 22, 2002, 2:22 AM. No bullshit!  :o)

And Kim Hunter was born 11/12/22  or 111222.

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> still, i
> like the idea of 2 timelines anyway

Oh, but we're talking about Kim Hunter!
Make-up artist Brian Penikas did up the APEMANIA bunch (as well as himself) and escorted Kim Hunter into the Academy Theatre and to her seat for the 30th anniversay party in 1998.
I think that Zero degrees, ain't it?

Jeff Krueger was there, weren't yah Jeff?

Cheers,

Brian Penikas

james611102 wrote:

Kim Hunter was in Planet of the Apes with Roddy McDowall who was in
The Big Picture with Kevin Bacon. That's 2 degrees. Top that.

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> Make-up artist Brian Penikas did Kevin Bacon's make-up in "Murder

> First" back in 1993/94.
> I think that's Zero degrees, ain't it?
>
> Oh, but we're talking about Kim Hunter!
> Make-up artist Brian Penikas did up the APEMANIA bunch (as well as

> and escorted Kim Hunter into the Academy Theatre and to her seat

> 30th anniversay party in 1998.
> I think that Zero degrees, ain't it?
>
> Jeff Krueger was there, weren't yah Jeff?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian Penikas
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:55 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Zero Degrees, ain't it?

Make-up artist Brian Penikas did Kevin Bacon's make-up in "Murder in the First" back in 1993/94.
I think that's Zero degrees, ain't it?

Oh, but we're talking about Kim Hunter!
Make-up artist Brian Penikas did up the APEMANIA bunch (as well as himself) and escorted Kim Hunter into the Academy Theatre and to her seat for the 30th anniversay party in 1998.
I think that Zero degrees, ain't it?

Jeff Krueger was there, weren't yah Jeff?

Cheers,

Brian Penikas

james611102 wrote:

Kim Hunter was in Planet of the Apes with Roddy McDowall who was in
The Big Picture with Kevin Bacon. That's 2 degrees. Top that.

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james611102 wrote:

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> Make-up artist Brian Penikas did Kevin Bacon's make-up in "Murder
in the
> First" back in 1993/94.
> I think that's Zero degrees, ain't it?
>
> Oh, but we're talking about Kim Hunter!
> Make-up artist Brian Penikas did up the APEMANIA bunch (as well as
himself)
> and escorted Kim Hunter into the Academy Theatre and to her seat
for the
> 30th anniversay party in 1998.
> I think that Zero degrees, ain't it?
>
> Jeff Krueger was there, weren't yah Jeff?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian Penikas
>
That would still be 2 degrees. Kim and Kevin may have even been at
the same Holiday party together(which would be one degree), but
that's not how the game is played. Nor is it played with Directors,
Composers, Screenwriters or other behind the camera people. It's
played by linking actors appearing on screen.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sammo Law [sammo_of_borg@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 11:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>
>
> virgil had an apparent knowledge of the theory of time travel.
> though that
> may not be sufficient enough to prove that history was preserved.
> still, i
> like the idea of 2 timelines anyway

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [Hardguy718@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 15:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>
>
> > still, i
> > like the idea of 2 timelines anyway
>
> Hey if it makes you happy, great. Just don't put down others that
> don't see it the same way like that other guy did.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:17 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Choices

Oh that's just Rory.

He's a bit of a grump, but we love him...don't we Alex?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [Hardguy718@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 15:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>
>
> > still, i
> > like the idea of 2 timelines anyway
>
> Hey if it makes you happy, great. Just don't put down others that
> don't see it the same way like that other guy did.


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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Zero Degrees, ain't it?

OH, I GET IT!  "KIM -  to - KEVIN",  I see.

james611102 wrote:

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> Make-up artist Brian Penikas did Kevin Bacon's make-up in "Murder
in the
> First" back in 1993/94.
> I think that's Zero degrees, ain't it?
>
> Oh, but we're talking about Kim Hunter!
> Make-up artist Brian Penikas did up the APEMANIA bunch (as well as
himself)
> and escorted Kim Hunter into the Academy Theatre and to her seat
for the
> 30th anniversay party in 1998.
> I think that Zero degrees, ain't it?
>
> Jeff Krueger was there, weren't yah Jeff?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian Penikas
>
That would still be 2 degrees. Kim and Kevin may have even been at
the same Holiday party together(which would be one degree), but
that's not how the game is played. Nor is it played with Directors,
Composers, Screenwriters or other behind the camera people. It's
played by linking actors appearing on screen.

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