Thanks...
Just a thought tho... if I hadn't gotten up late this morning, and
decided to view the postings at this group. Say my coffee maker went
on the fritz and it pis**d me off, and I had to go to store to get a
new one, would I still have the 15,000th message? For that matter,
how I have affected the timeline in which we all now exist? Can any
of you go to the immediate past and change what I have done?

Would it matter anyway?

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> By the way, Congrats. I noticed that your message was the 15,000th
on
> the board. Quite a milestone.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

Imagine if they didn't use the
butterfly ballot in West Palm Beach in the 2000 election.

It wouldn't have matter, much anyway.  No matter which way you counted them Bush had more votes.  On top of that Gore was paying ineligible ex cons and homeless derelicts to vote more than once trying to steal the election. And he still couldn't come up with enough votes.  It's not that Florida is all that conservative.  It's just the you don't have to be a resident to register there.  That and the fact that may FLA. residents are in the military and voted absentee.  Bush won fare and square.



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But Patrick, you just keep doing your thing.  I think your ideas are 'silly' sometimes, but interesting.

Although I think Pat's ideas are often interesting and Extremely well though out, I seldom have the time to read them thoroughly.  When the email piles up, even the ones I've saved to read later get deleted unread.  I think he may over think things at times.  Either that or he's an Extremely fast typist.
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When I said there was no more racism, no more war, etc. I was trying to be
sarcastic (not at you, at the makers of POTA 2001). That's all they seemed
to say when it was pointed out that the original was about something: "Oh,
those were different times". Burton has said he tried to reflect how
complicated the issues are today. He does that to some degree at the dinner
table as the character concerns are all over the map. But part of telling a
story is to have a point of view and zero in on something, anything, and not
just say, "Boy, life is complex today. Let's just have a chase". The
supposed attraction between Leo and Ari was pointless, they didn't deal with
it. Eric Greene mentioned they skirted the issue by making her as
human-looking as possible. Those who are uncomfortable with the issue could
just laugh and say, "She looks like Michael Jackson!". The only way the film
was able to show tolerance was by pulling that shuttle out of left field.
That whole second half was just a cliched botch.

And there was a lot of the movie I did like. I've said that in the past.
But the script was dreadful .

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "emr1623" <emr1623@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name


> Can I live where you live? No more racism? No more war? All of our
> questions concerning the universe have been answered? The african-
> americans living in the projects a few miles away from me might
> disagree. And if there is no war, why is my brother-in-law sitting
> on an air-craft carrier in the Persian Gulf right now? The 2001 POTA
> is still a reflection of the times. We are learning how to better
> deal with differences in races. From what I got from the new movie,
> there was much emphasis on the interaction between ape and human (Ari
> and Leo) and after the battle, a coming together of species. We are
> becoming more tolerant. The battle at Calima did not appear to be,
> to me, a win-lose situation, but more of an acceptance in spite of
> difference, a giving up of past beliefs that were based on the
> ignorance of their ancestors. It was the beginning of
> enlightenment... the place we now find ourselves.
>
> My daughter watched the movie with me several times before I asked
> her why she enjoyed it. Her response: "Mark Wahlberg is sooooo hot!"
> LOL
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > That's where the makers of the new "Apes" got it wrong. They
> were so busy
> > saying "Oh, the originals were a reflection of their time" they
> forgot to
> > ask why they are still so popular today. It's not just people who
> grew up
> > with them. Kids are still finding them today. It dealt with eternal
> themes.
> > Certainly there's no more racism, war, questions about the
> universe. We
> > solved all that stuff in the '60's. But it has great makeup that
> people
> > still kinda like.
> > - - -
> Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "emr1623" <emr1623@m...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:34 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
> >
> >
> > > Of course anyone can have an opinion! I am just curious because
> > > (forgive me if I seem somewhat ignorant) I am of the mind that
> movies
> > > and tv reflect the moods (fears,politics,etc.) of the times when
> they
> > > are produced. If you were around when the originals were made, it
> > > would be easier to understand the context. We were in an era of
> Love
> > > and Peace, yet people were rebelling against the "establishment".
> > > There was Vietnam. Space exploration was new and held infinite
> > > possibilities. Desegregation was a concept that many people still
> > > had a hard time swallowing. There was alot of unrest and people
> were
> > > basically still "innocent" yet there were so many technological
> > > advances being thrown at them.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I think you could pick the movies and series apart till
> > > there's nothing left but a carcass, and in my opinion it still
> comes
> > > back to being merely a reflection of the times.
> > >
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > I never saw the movies in the original theatrical run but I
> saw
> > > the TV show during the original airings (and yes, "The Liberator"
> was
> > > shown). But someone could've seen them for the first time last
> night
> > > and have an opinion. - - -
> Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Haristas@a...
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:33 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 2/24/02 11:26:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > emr1623@m... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello! I am new to this group and have been reading the
> mail
> > > for the past week or so. Forgive me if I seem to be ignorant or
> if I
> > > seem to intrude... But I have just a small question. Were any of
> you
> > > around to see any of the movies or TV shows when they originally
> > > aired? I am trying to understand where your opinions come from.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I was eight yeas old when I saw the original in 1968, so
> > > that explains a lot of where I'm coming from. I saw everything
> when
> > > it originally came out or aired. What's your story? (And do you
> > > have a name?)
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > > Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

   It's easy for him to say that when he's in the seat of power, but if he'd started a career and been successful in it he might have stayed out of politics (and not had the obvious bitterness he had against the world). It's true though the Germans were very bitter about World War I and he may of seized on the moment anyway.                               - - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

Found a short news snippit here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_387000/387295.stm

 

Here's a quote from it.

 

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Even Hitler appeared embarrassed by the paintings when they became collectors' items at the height of his power.

He said: "I didn't want to become an artist. I painted that stuff only to make a living."

Hitler, born into a family of peasants and modest civil servants, twice failed entry examinations for the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna.

--------------

 

So it seems even if he did make it into that art school, his hunger for power would've most likely still brought him to kill all those people.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

  I wish he was a better artist, he would've got accepted to art school. What I heard was people found his work cold and lacking in humanity. Little surprise.                                                 - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

Here's a few of his works:

 

http://www.tightrope.cc/hitlerart.htm

 

Don't get me wrong, I think he was a very evil man, but he drew better than I'll ever be able to.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

In a message dated 2/24/02 1:35:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, agnosticdragon@... writes:

I thought Hitler tried to get into an art school???  He was a great painter, but a fucked up human being.

Hitler was a great painter?!!!  That's a new one on me.

-- Rory

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When I said there was no more racism, no more war, etc. I was trying to be
sarcastic (not at you, at the makers of POTA 2001). That's all they seemed
to say when it was pointed out that the original was about something: "Oh,
those were different times". Burton has said he tried to reflect how
complicated the issues are today. He does that to some degree at the dinner
table as the character concerns are all over the map. But part of telling a
story is to have a point of view and zero in on something, anything, and not
just say, "Boy, life is complex today. Let's just have a chase". The
supposed attraction between Leo and Ari was pointless, they didn't deal with
it. Eric Greene mentioned they skirted the issue by making her as
human-looking as possible. Those who are uncomfortable with the issue could
just laugh and say, "She looks like Michael Jackson!". The only way the film
was able to show tolerance was by pulling that shuttle out of left field.
That whole second half was just a cliched botch.

And there was a lot of the movie I did like. I've said that in the past.
But the script was dreadful .

- - - Jeff



Hey! Hey! Hey!
At least this didn't happen in Tim Burton's Version!
See attacment:

hehehe...just kidding.

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:03:09 -0800
>

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Actually, there were over 20,000 overvotes in Palm Beach County with
90% of those showing votes for both Pat Buchanan and Gore. If you
break them down statiscally based on each canidates percentage of
counted votes there; Gore would of walked away with an additional
10,000 votes and won. As far as any other charges they have never
been proved. They are as baseless as the charges that Jeb Bush used
state troopers to intimidate minority voters away from the polls.
Both sides did things that were wrong in that election. And I don't
think Bush stole it. I think he just got lucky.

> It wouldn't have matter, much anyway. No matter which way you

counted them

> Bush had more votes. On top of that Gore was paying ineligible ex

cons and

> homeless derelicts to vote more than once trying to steal the

election. And

> he still couldn't come up with enough votes. It's not that Florida

is all

> that conservative. It's just the you don't have to be a resident

to register

> there. That and the fact that may FLA. residents are in the

military and

> voted absentee. Bush won fare and square.

Well here's the latest.
Both POTA 2001 DVDs are complete with whole new format then the one posted
on the site. Both have introductions of Trailer 1 and 2 (Trailer 1 disc 1
and Trailer 2 disc 2) then each kicks in with one menu only. The menu
contains the options of video to watch. Less menus and easier to use.

Now working on Battle for the Planet of the Apes Uncut version and the
quality is as equel as the Laser Disc itself (very nice) but it will have
the japanese subtitles beneath the picture in the widscreen black bar
section.
If Brian ever sends me the Apemania vidoes, those will be included as well,
or I may include them in a POTA Original DVD if I even get enough good
quality exclusive VHS footage.

New DVDs 2001 will be posted tonight.

Best.
Al





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The new "Entertainment Weekly" (Julia Dreyfus on the cover) has the top
150 films for 2001. Shows the domestic, foreign and worldwide grosses but
lists them only based on domestic. For example, "A.I" made only $78.6
million in the U.S. but $156.4 million elsewhere. That would make it #13 for
the year worldwide but it's only #28 on this list (basically, I'm saying
it's confusing and they shoulda ranked them according to what they made
worldwide; U.S. media is so tunnelvision about domestic gross). Anyway, for
those who are interested, here's the top 10:

1. "Harry potter": $314.3 m domestic, $612.9 m foreign, $927.2 m worldwide
2. "Lord of the Rings": $278.6 m dom, $417.0 m for, $695.6 m world
3. "Shrek": $267.7 m dom, $208.4 m for, $476.1 m world
4. "Monsters, Inc.": $252.0 m dom, $112.8 m for, $364.8 m world
5. "Rush Hour 2": $226.2 m dom, $85.0m for, $311.2 m world
6. "Mummy Returns" : $202.0 m dom, $227.4 m for, $429.4 m world
7. "Pearl Harbor" : $198.5 m dom, $251.7 m for, $450.2 m world
8. "Ocean's 11": $181.4 m dom, $153.6 m for, $335.0 m world
9. "Jurassic Park 3": $181.2 m dom, $183.8 mil for, $365.0 m world
10. "Planet of the Apes": $180.0 m dom, $179.2 m for, $359.2 m world

Them's the Oscars that count to the studios, baby!
Of course, worldwide "Apes" is # 8; it made more than "Rush Hour 2 " or
"Ocean's 11" (though the latter is still in theatres and "Apes" cost a lot
more than both of them).
That's that. It's 2002. Will "Star Wars" squish "Spiderman"? Will "Harry
Potter" and "Lord of the Rings" rule the school again? Stay tuned! - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> In the first film Cornelius points to an area that would be northern
> or central New Jersey. From the map it looks like Manhattan and a
> good chunk of nothern Long Island (which would be Queens, the
> Brooklyn portion still remains) has mended with the mainland coast.
> Taylor indicates he crashed somewhere near the coast of southern
> conneticut or the bronx.
> At the end they follow a river to the shore where the cave is. On the
> map there are two rivers that lead to the coast and they are both
> well south of where Taylor landed. One lets out close to the southern
> tip of Long Island (Brooklyn) and the other is furhter south. Thus
> Taylor crashed much further north and it makes sense that Taylor by
> riding north would come upon the ruin of the statue and Manhattan.
> They would lie between the cave and where he crashed. Well at least
> that's how I see it.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I know about that Queensboro Plaza thing, and I'm originally from
> New York
> > and lived on Long Island when I first saw PLANET in April '68, but
> where does
> > Taylor indicate he crash landed in Long Island Sound? Where would
> you place
> > Ape City?
> >
> > I think that in the first film Cornelius is holding the map
> sideways --
> > because he doesn't now the earth's compass points -- and that the
> ocean at
> > the bottom of his map is actually the Atlantic in the east.
> >
> > Remember, even in BENEATH Cornelius says that the last place he and
> Zira saw
> > Taylor was 'riding north.' Which I guess would mean that Cornelius
> does know
> > his compass points, but would also indicate that the cave was south
> of the
> > Statue of Liberty and that the 'dead sea' Taylor crashed into was
> west of the
> > cave. Also, in PLANET you see when Taylor, Nova and the apes reach
> the ocean
> > and that area is shown on Cornelius' map. So, when they reached
> the ocean
> > they had to have turned north to ride up the shore to the cave.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Actually my point was that this country has gotten less tolerant than
it was in the 60s and things have only gotten worse since 9/11. I
stood next to an Arab as we together watch the towers fall, not on TV
but live. He cried when it happened. We helped each other get home
alive that day. He was not a terrorist. Nor was the 70 year man that
ran the newsstand down the street from me. He lived here over 20
years and was a month away from being sworn in as a citizen. But now
he is being detained without any charges at an undisclosed location
for national security reasons. His family hasn't even been allowed to
exchange letters with him. And cause he is an Arab. You can't tell me
that he doesn't deserve the protections guaranteed in the
consitution. If he doesn't then what are we protecting when we wave
the flag.

--- In pota@y..., "emr1623" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> I said we were becoming more tolerant, not that intolerance was
> gone. As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers
in
> arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
> the purist. See where it got him!

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> > What about if the Archduke Francis Ferdinand had not been
> > assassinated?
>
> I thought it started because a fellow named Archie Duke killed an

ostrich

> because he was hungry.
>
> ~~~~~nod to Black Adder~~~~~

and with due respect to Baldrick as well.

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The movie has Brent ride out of Ape City, cross a few hills and        meadows, and discover Oueensborough Plaza.  That's on Long Island.  That doesn't fit with the first film, and that's no BULLSHIT!

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Actually, the popular vote has never counted. Gore is not the first
man to win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote. The first
time was in the election of 1824 when Andrew Jackson of Tennesse lost
the presidency to John Quincy Adams, son of a one term President.
(Hhhmmm interesting paralell or maybe its a temporal loop. LOL)
My point refered to the 20,000 ballots that were thrown out due to
people marking 2 choices for President. Most of those were people
that meant to vote for Gore but start to push the hole for Buchanan,
then stopped and pushed the hole for Gore. All these ballots were not
counted.

--- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> Last I heard, Gore won the popular vote, but Bush won the electoral
vote. Which as you may know is the only one that counts anyway. The
popular vote doesn't mean anything anymore. I'm not even sure it ever
did.

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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:29 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

Actually, the popular vote has never counted. Gore is not the first
man to win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote. The first
time was in the election of 1824 when Andrew Jackson of Tennesse lost
the presidency to John Quincy Adams, son of a one term President.
(Hhhmmm interesting paralell or maybe its a temporal loop. LOL)
My point refered to the 20,000 ballots that were thrown out due to
people marking 2 choices for President. Most of those were people
that meant to vote for Gore but start to push the hole for Buchanan,
then stopped and pushed the hole for Gore. All these ballots were not
counted.
--- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> Last I heard, Gore won the popular vote, but Bush won the electoral
vote. Which as you may know is the only one that counts anyway. The
popular vote doesn't mean anything anymore. I'm not even sure it ever
did.




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Hey Bush only won Florida, and thus the election, by a few hundred
votes. I think that proves every vote does count and can make a
difference.

--- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> Since the popular vote doesn't count, I wonder why in the heck
people bother voting? Not that I do, I could care less who's in
charge. It wouldn't matter if I did anyway, since my vote wouldn't
change anything.

.htmlIn a message dated 2/24/02 4:32:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Still doesn't mean Ape City is on Long Island. From the map in the
first film there was a shift in topography and parts of Manhattan and
Long Island seems to have melded with the mainland. Another example
is that The Statue of Liberty is on its own island in the harbor, not
on the shore of a beach.
Also, kids may be reading these boards, so can we dipense with the
four-letter words, please.

Bullshit!!!  Cornelius' map DOES NOT show the New York area.  You are wrong, wrong, wrong!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/24/02 4:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In the first film Cornelius points to an area that would be northern
or central New Jersey. From the map it looks like Manhattan and a
good chunk of nothern Long Island (which would be Queens, the
Brooklyn portion still remains) has mended with the mainland coast.
Taylor indicates he crashed somewhere near the coast of southern
conneticut or the bronx.
At the end they follow a river to the shore where the cave is. On the
map there are two rivers that lead to the coast and they are both
well south of where Taylor landed. One lets out close to the southern
tip of Long Island (Brooklyn) and the other is furhter south. Thus
Taylor crashed much further north and it makes sense that Taylor by
riding north would come upon the ruin of the statue and Manhattan.
They would lie between the cave and where he crashed.  Well at least
that's how I see it.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!  The body of water that Taylor points to is what was once Chesapeake Bay.  Cornelius is holding the map sideways with the Atlantic Ocean to the south primarily because the filmmakers didn't want to give away that it's the east coeast of the United States.  You have this idea the it's New York because of God Damn BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES.  For you it has to be the New York area because that ties the two films together in a nice big bow, but it's wrong!  That lousy bastard of a sequel!  Nothing in BENEATH supersedes what is in PLANET, and any inconsistency between the two is because of the sloppy and chaotic nature of BENEATH's production.  I really do despise BENEATH!  AND THAT'S MY OPINION!

I'd like everyone in this group to just take a look at Cornelius' map in PLANET, then take a map of the area of the east coast where Chesapeake Bay is and turn it on its side so the Atlantic is south, then tell me that the two aren't almost a perfect match!

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You could of emailed me privately but chose to try and start a public fight on the board.

Easy there Flamers!  Let maturity reign! 
You little poo poo heads!
Neener neener neener you're a great big wiener!
Ahhh . . . that felt good!  Can anyone get in on this action?
Somebody bring me a pie!

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Maybe I am or maybe I'm not. It looks very similar to the New York
area. And after Nuclear holocaust and 2,000 years of erosion the
topography may have changed somewhat so its a reasonable assumption.

P.S. Disagree with me all you want but please cut out the four letter
words. I'm sure that there are kids reading these boards.

> Bullshit!!! Cornelius' map DOES NOT show the New York area. You

are wrong,

> wrong, wrong!
>
> -- Rory

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And intolerance of a different kind has thousands of people are of the Arab race detained indefinately, with no charges being brought against them other than that they are Arab.

Just how are you refering to Jimbo? Could it be the combatants at Gitmo?
There are only a few hundred of them, and they were picked up after a firefight with alliance forces?  Could it be the ones back in Afganistan?  We aren't holding them.  Other Afghans are.  Could it be other suspects in the 9-11 terrorism.  As I understand it they were held on suspicion because of their links with the terrorists and most have been released.  I'm just trying to figure out who the thousands are you're refering to.  I think we have a collaborator in our midst!  Someone call the FBI!  Now who's oversimplifying?  J/K

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By the way, Congrats. I noticed that your message was the 15,000th on
the board. Quite a milestone.

Very clear there Jimmy.
Who are you talking to?

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As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers in
arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
the purist.  See where it got him!

Uhh, yeeaah!  He escaped in one of the pods and took over the world. Was that the point you were trying to make?  That type A personalities land on there feet no matter where they are???

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P.S. Disagree with me all you want but please cut out the four letter
words. I'm sure that there are kids reading these boards.

Oh come on!!!  As if they haven't heard much worse already!  What you trying to get me to do is a form of censorship.  Well, I'm not going for it, and I feel right now like using the F word!  What are you, buddy?  Some kind of born-again goody, goody?

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Last I heard, Gore won the popular vote, but Bush won the electoral vote. Which as you may know is the only one that counts anyway. The popular vote doesn't mean anything anymore. I'm not even sure it ever did.

I was referring only to the Florida count.  Did the popular vote ever count for anything?  Originally it did.  Some of the delegates from some of the less populated of the original 13 states felt that their vote wouldn't count for anything, despite the size of those states.  Ben Franklin came up with the overly complicated electoral college idea in response as a joke.  It turned out they liked the idea and felt it was a fair and equitable solution to the question of equal representation.  Many a truth is spoken in jest. Go figure.

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You have an interesting point. And it does look similar on a map
turned sideways. But taking Planet by itself. How did the Statue of
Liberty get there? It's over 130 miles from New York Harbor to the
nearest point of Chesapeake Bay and over 200 miles for the
Virginia/North Carolina area. I'm interested in how you came to that
conclusion. Please explain.

>
> WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! The body of water that Taylor points to is

what was

> once Chesapeake Bay. Cornelius is holding the map sideways with

the Atlantic

> Ocean to the south primarily because the filmmakers didn't want to

give away

> that it's the east coeast of the United States. You have this idea

the it's

> New York because of God Damn BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. For

you it has

> to be the New York area because that ties the two films together in

a nice

> big bow, but it's wrong! That lousy bastard of a sequel! Nothing

in BENEATH

> supersedes what is in PLANET, and any inconsistency between the two

is

> because of the sloppy and chaotic nature of BENEATH's production.

I really

> do despise BENEATH! AND THAT'S MY OPINION!
>
> I'd like everyone in this group to just take a look at Cornelius'

map in

> PLANET, then take a map of the area of the east coast where

Chesapeake Bay is

> and turn it on its side so the Atlantic is south, then tell me that

the two

> aren't almost a perfect match!
>
> -- Rory

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  When I said there was no more racism, no more war, etc. I was trying to be
sarcastic

I did pick up the note of sarcasm in your post on my detector. Though it has been pointed out to me that without some info written between the lines that things can misinterpreted.  Especially by the person you're trying to get across to.  I have since tried to add things like, j/k, to posts unless they are soooo over the top that everyone should get it.  But I still wonder sometimes if someone is still missing the joke.

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At least this didn't happen in Tim Burton's Version!

In a way....it did.
When Thade was killing the two soldiers his hair gets all messed up.
Then in the next shot a split second later, it's all smoothed down.

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I'm refering to many people that are still being detained, some of
which I have personal knowledge, who were rounded up immediately
after 9/11 simply for being Arab. These people have not been charged
with any crime and are being held indefinatly. This group also
includes some Israeli students who are being held on the off chance
that the Al-Jezera propaganda story about 9/11 being a plot by Israel
to set the U.S. against the Arab World is true. And from my last
reading of the constitution holding people with no charges is not
legal.

>Could it be other suspects in the
> 9-11 terrorism. As I understand it they were held on suspicion

because of

> their links with the terrorists and most have been released. I'm

just trying

> to figure out who the thousands are you're refering to. I think we

have a

> collaborator in our midst! Someone call the FBI! Now who's

oversimplifying?

> J/K

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Actually, there were over 20,000 overvotes in Palm Beach County with
90% of those showing votes for both Pat Buchanan and Gore. If you
break them down statiscally based on each canidates percentage of
counted votes there; Gore would of walked away with an additional
10,000 votes and won. As far as any other charges they have never
been proved. They are as baseless as the charges that Jeb Bush used
state troopers to intimidate minority voters away from the polls.
Both sides did things that were wrong in that election. And I don't
think Bush stole it. I think he just got lucky.

I'm sure in Liberal Fantasyland Gore Is the President!



T

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> What are you, buddy? Some kind of
> born-again goody, goody?
>
> -- Rory

No just a mature adult that doesn't need to you curse words to make
my point.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/24/2002 6:32:53 PM Central Standard Time,

I never said he was. The election was basically a tie. If Gore had
won he would of gotten lucky. Bush was just luckier.

>
> I'm sure in Liberal Fantasyland Gore Is the President!
>
>
>
> T

And while we're at it, where exactly was Taylor hiding those dog tags up
until the point he gave them to Nova at the beginning of Beneath? Was he
concealing them Christopher Walken style like in Pulp Fiction? I mean
really, who cares??

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> You have an interesting point. And it does look similar on a map
> turned sideways. But taking Planet by itself. How did the Statue of
> Liberty get there? It's over 130 miles from New York Harbor to the
> nearest point of Chesapeake Bay and over 200 miles for the
> Virginia/North Carolina area. I'm interested in how you came to that
> conclusion. Please explain.
> >
> > WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! The body of water that Taylor points to is
> what was
> > once Chesapeake Bay. Cornelius is holding the map sideways with
> the Atlantic
> > Ocean to the south primarily because the filmmakers didn't want to
> give away
> > that it's the east coeast of the United States. You have this idea
> the it's
> > New York because of God Damn BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. For
> you it has
> > to be the New York area because that ties the two films together in
> a nice
> > big bow, but it's wrong! That lousy bastard of a sequel! Nothing
> in BENEATH
> > supersedes what is in PLANET, and any inconsistency between the two
> is
> > because of the sloppy and chaotic nature of BENEATH's production.
> I really
> > do despise BENEATH! AND THAT'S MY OPINION!
> >
> > I'd like everyone in this group to just take a look at Cornelius'
> map in
> > PLANET, then take a map of the area of the east coast where
> Chesapeake Bay is
> > and turn it on its side so the Atlantic is south, then tell me that
> the two
> > aren't almost a perfect match!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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And from my last reading of the constitution holding people with no charges is not
legal.

No, it's illegal to hold citizens without charging them.  But don't think that certain elements of our government isn't above doing that!  I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over it.  Even though I'm an insomniac.  On the contrary, I sleep better knowing that people in the government are just the kind of bastards that would lock up people who might threaten our freedom.  And if they have to lose theirs so I don't have to wake up to thousands of people buried under collapsed buildings . . . so be it.

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No just a mature adult that doesn't need to you curse words to make
my point.

Me either . . .WTF?

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I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.

--- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> And while we're at it, where exactly was Taylor hiding those dog
tags up
> until the point he gave them to Nova at the beginning of Beneath?
Was he
> concealing them Christopher Walken style like in Pulp Fiction? I
mean
> really, who cares??

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If Gore had
won he would of gotten lucky. Bush was just luckier.

Perhaps . . . Lucky for us he was!  Can you imagine that pussy Gore in a shooting war?  He would have knuckled under by now and be kissing the ass of every rogue nation on the planet!

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Good for you!!!

> Me either . . .WTF?

Oh excuse me I forgot about your virgin ears, or in this case, eyes.
What I should have said was . . .

Perhaps . . . Lucky for us he was! Can you imagine that kitty cat Gore in a
shooting war? He would have knuckled under by now and be kissing the donkey
of every rogue nation on the planet!

Yeah what a p*ssy he was going to Vietnam while GWB risked his life
guarding Houston for the commie threat.

> Perhaps . . . Lucky for us he was! Can you imagine that pussy Gore

in a

> shooting war? He would have knuckled under by now and be kissing

the ass of

> every rogue nation on the planet!

Sorry I just think this country stands or should stand for certain
priciples. If I may quote Ben Franklin on the subject, "Those who
would give up an essential liberty for some temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety".

>
> No, it's illegal to hold citizens without charging them. But don't

think

> that certain elements of our government isn't above doing that!

I'm not

> going to lose a lot of sleep over it. Even though I'm an

insomniac. On the

> contrary, I sleep better knowing that people in the government are

just the

> kind of bastards that would lock up people who might threaten our

freedom.

> And if they have to lose theirs so I don't have to wake up to

thousands of

> people buried under collapsed buildings . . . so be it.

Really? I haven't heard about this. That's like the detention camps here
during World War II that we said would never happen again. I bet there's
other abuses like that going on while we wave our flags.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:19 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name


> Actually my point was that this country has gotten less tolerant than
> it was in the 60s and things have only gotten worse since 9/11. I
> stood next to an Arab as we together watch the towers fall, not on TV
> but live. He cried when it happened. We helped each other get home
> alive that day. He was not a terrorist. Nor was the 70 year man that
> ran the newsstand down the street from me. He lived here over 20
> years and was a month away from being sworn in as a citizen. But now
> he is being detained without any charges at an undisclosed location
> for national security reasons. His family hasn't even been allowed to
> exchange letters with him. And cause he is an Arab. You can't tell me
> that he doesn't deserve the protections guaranteed in the
> consitution. If he doesn't then what are we protecting when we wave
> the flag.
> --- In pota@y..., "emr1623" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> > I said we were becoming more tolerant, not that intolerance was
> > gone. As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers
> in
> > arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
> > the purist. See where it got him!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

My ears and eyes are anything but virgin. I just know that kids read
these boards, my nephew for one, and don't think that suck language
is appropriate for them.

>
> Oh excuse me I forgot about your virgin ears, or in this case, eyes.
> What I should have said was . . .
>
> Perhaps . . . Lucky for us he was! Can you imagine that kitty cat

Gore in a

> shooting war? He would have knuckled under by now and be kissing

the donkey

> of every rogue nation on the planet!

I don't want a bunch of idiots who can't make a hole in a card pick the
president for me. If you can't manage that, your vote dose not count,
period. What are you going to do? Have Miss Cleo read the cards and decide
who they meant to vote for?
Give me a break? What the hell does this have to with POTA. Drop the
thread!
DROP IT!

Hey!
Better than flipping your wig! :o)

Best.
Al

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:45:53 EST
>
>
> > At least this didn't happen in Tim Burton's Version!
>
>In a way....it did.
>When Thade was killing the two soldiers his hair gets all messed up.
>Then in the next shot a split second later, it's all smoothed down.

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Hey Bush only won Florida, and thus the election, by a few hundred
votes. I think that proves every vote does count and can make a
difference.

Yes, and even if they counted swinging chads, hanging chads, pregnant chads, dimpled, pimpled, and acned chads, Gore still couldn't come up with enough votes to carry the state and the election.  I'd say he got more than a fair count.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name

As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers in
arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
the purist.  See where it got him!

Uhh, yeeaah!  He escaped in one of the pods and took over the world. Was that the point you were trying to make?  That type A personalities land on there feet no matter where they are???

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Hey I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. Those
people screwed up and got their votes thrown out and deservedly so.
All I said that if there hadn't been a butterfly ballot Gore might of
won. Not that I wished that he had, or that Bush stole it or anything
else. Just that Bush lucked out. Chill man.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I don't want a bunch of idiots who can't make a hole in a card pick
the
> president for me. If you can't manage that, your vote dose not
count,
> period. What are you going to do? Have Miss Cleo read the cards
and decide
> who they meant to vote for?
> Give me a break? What the hell does this have to with POTA. Drop
the
> thread!
> DROP IT!

> I'd say he got more than a fair
> count.

I don't recall anyone on this board every saying that he didn't.

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You have this idea the it's New York because of God Damn BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. 

I dunno Rory...I think the Statue of Liberty is sort of a giveaway.<.html

I'm assuming Rory has a well thought out theory as to how it got
there and I for one can't wait to hear it.

>
> I dunno Rory...I think the Statue of Liberty is sort of a giveaway.

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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:07 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.

--- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> And while we're at it, where exactly was Taylor hiding those dog
tags up
> until the point he gave them to Nova at the beginning of Beneath?
Was he
> concealing them Christopher Walken style like in Pulp Fiction? I
mean
> really, who cares??




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> Near the start of the original POTA after the ship crashes, the

black guy says there's no moon in the sky. Just after they almost get
rolled over by a big rock and they're laying on the ground. At least
I think that's when he said it.

True but where did it go? Maybe its was blasted out of orbit in 1999.
But then that's another series.

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Yeah, that does suck.
And I know the feeling all too well when I was in Israel visiting.
I wasn't held, but I was looked upon as a possible terrorist, as all
unknowns in Israel as well as anyone visiting any arab country are looked
upon. (not that I ever went to an arab country) but I can just imagine.

And in my final opinion about it all?
It's all about security, and it's here to stay. So welcome to a whole new
and cold reality my friend.

Best.
Al

>From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:47:40 -0000
>

_____

Hey, that's only that bull**it "Beneath". He didn't need those dog tags in
"Planet".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> And while we're at it, where exactly was Taylor hiding those dog tags up
> until the point he gave them to Nova at the beginning of Beneath? Was he
> concealing them Christopher Walken style like in Pulp Fiction? I mean
> really, who cares??
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:38 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.
>
>
> > You have an interesting point. And it does look similar on a map
> > turned sideways. But taking Planet by itself. How did the Statue of
> > Liberty get there? It's over 130 miles from New York Harbor to the
> > nearest point of Chesapeake Bay and over 200 miles for the
> > Virginia/North Carolina area. I'm interested in how you came to that
> > conclusion. Please explain.
> > >
> > > WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! The body of water that Taylor points to is
> > what was
> > > once Chesapeake Bay. Cornelius is holding the map sideways with
> > the Atlantic
> > > Ocean to the south primarily because the filmmakers didn't want to
> > give away
> > > that it's the east coeast of the United States. You have this idea
> > the it's
> > > New York because of God Damn BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. For
> > you it has
> > > to be the New York area because that ties the two films together in
> > a nice
> > > big bow, but it's wrong! That lousy bastard of a sequel! Nothing
> > in BENEATH
> > > supersedes what is in PLANET, and any inconsistency between the two
> > is
> > > because of the sloppy and chaotic nature of BENEATH's production.
> > I really
> > > do despise BENEATH! AND THAT'S MY OPINION!
> > >
> > > I'd like everyone in this group to just take a look at Cornelius'
> > map in
> > > PLANET, then take a map of the area of the east coast where
> > Chesapeake Bay is
> > > and turn it on its side so the Atlantic is south, then tell me that
> > the two
> > > aren't almost a perfect match!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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If I may quote Ben Franklin on the subject, "Those who
would give up an essential liberty for some temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety".

A drunken' womanizing turkey electrocuter said that
Well than it must be true.  But seriously . . .
I don't think we should give up any of our freedoms either
Don't get me wrong I do think they should reactivate Red Cell
and have them test security the old fashioned way...by playing terrorist!
But as for this squawk about racial profiling, as a comedian once said...
Sorry, but a bunch of people who looked like you guy stole some airplanes
and wrecked some buildings, so you'll have to excuse me if I search you a little
more thoroughly than the little old lady from Pasadena.

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a) She saw them leaving their house to go to the meeting
b) archeologists can promote the status quo as long as they dig for the
right things, dig?
c) the cloud cover at night
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
> Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
> anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
> Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
> night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > And while we're at it, where exactly was Taylor hiding those dog
> tags up
> > until the point he gave them to Nova at the beginning of Beneath?
> Was he
> > concealing them Christopher Walken style like in Pulp Fiction? I
> mean
> > really, who cares??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey I agree with you there. Nothing wrong with doing an extra check
of people that fit the terrorist profile. You're riding on the
Airlines plane and you agree to their rules when you buy the ticket.
But I use to work in the WTC and stood watching it collapse live not
on TV like most people. I was lucky that day. But I will never accept
that locking up a 70 year old man with no charges is what America
should be doing.

> But as for this squawk about racial profiling, as a comedian once

said...

> Sorry, but a bunch of people who looked like you guy stole some

airplanes

> and wrecked some buildings, so you'll have to excuse me if I search

you a

> little
> more thoroughly than the little old lady from Pasadena.

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and don't think that suck language is appropriate for them.

I think the word Suck is inappopriate.
Unless some how combined with the work F*ck.
But its still more appropriate then the work K*ll.
Unless someone tries to F*ck with me.  I'll K*ll 'em!

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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:29 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

> Near the start of the original POTA after the ship crashes, the
black guy says there's no moon in the sky. Just after they almost get
rolled over by a big rock and they're laying on the ground. At least
I think that's when he said it.

True but where did it go? Maybe its was blasted out of orbit in 1999.
But then that's another series.



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A is a bit of a strech. B I can accept. C Taylor was there at least
several weeks. They had cloud cover every night. Maybe.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> a) She saw them leaving their house to go to the meeting
> b) archeologists can promote the status quo as long as they dig
for the
> right things, dig?
> c) the cloud cover at night
> - - -
Jeff

OPPS that was a typo LOL

>
> > and don't think that suck language is appropriate for them.
> >
> I think the word Suck is inappopriate.
> Unless some how combined with the work F*ck.
> But its still more appropriate then the work K*ll.
> Unless someone tries to F*ck with me. I'll K*ll 'em!

Well I'll restate a quote from Ben Franklin on the subject, "Those
who would give up an essential liberty for some temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety".
I just think this country should stand for more than just security.

>
> And in my final opinion about it all?
> It's all about security, and it's here to stay. So welcome to a

whole new

> and cold reality my friend.
>
> Best.
> Al

Of course the big tip-off was the apes were speaking English. Ahhhh!!
"Planet of the Apes" is stupid! I'm going to become an "X-Men" fan.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:42 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> A is a bit of a strech. B I can accept. C Taylor was there at least
> several weeks. They had cloud cover every night. Maybe.
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > a) She saw them leaving their house to go to the meeting
> > b) archeologists can promote the status quo as long as they dig
> for the
> > right things, dig?
> > c) the cloud cover at night
> > - - -
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

OK but Nova is still sexier than Halle Barry!!!

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Of course the big tip-off was the apes were speaking English.
Ahhhh!!
> "Planet of the Apes" is stupid! I'm going to become an "X-Men" fan.

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----- Original Message -----

From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

True but where did it go?

 

I dunno. Maybe the world wasn't blown up by atom bombs after all like Taylor assumed. Maybe it was a natural disaster like a comet hitting the moon, exploding it into smaller pieces, some of which hit Earth. That would certainly kill almost everybody and everything. Maybe that would explain the strange lightning in the sky as well. Billions of left-over fragments of the moon around Earth would cause that kind of effect. Something like the Van Alan Belt effect or something. I dunno really, just makin this up as I go. :o)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:29 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

> Near the start of the original POTA after the ship crashes, the
black guy says there's no moon in the sky. Just after they almost get
rolled over by a big rock and they're laying on the ground. At least
I think that's when he said it.

True but where did it go? Maybe its was blasted out of orbit in 1999.
But then that's another series.



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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

  There's two moons in Burton's flick. So they cancel each other out.                                     - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

True but where did it go?

 

I dunno. Maybe the world wasn't blown up by atom bombs after all like Taylor assumed. Maybe it was a natural disaster like a comet hitting the moon, exploding it into smaller pieces, some of which hit Earth. That would certainly kill almost everybody and everything. Maybe that would explain the strange lightning in the sky as well. Billions of left-over fragments of the moon around Earth would cause that kind of effect. Something like the Van Alan Belt effect or something. I dunno really, just makin this up as I go. :o)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:29 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

> Near the start of the original POTA after the ship crashes, the
black guy says there's no moon in the sky. Just after they almost get
rolled over by a big rock and they're laying on the ground. At least
I think that's when he said it.

True but where did it go? Maybe its was blasted out of orbit in 1999.
But then that's another series.



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But I use to work in the WTC and stood watching it collapse live not
on TV like most people. I was lucky that day. But I will never accept
that locking up a 70 year old man with no charges is what America
should be doing.

Okay, now you are excited and confused. So just close your eyes and take a
few deep breaths and think of POTA. And drop the tread, maaaaan. Just Drop
IT!

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OPPS that was a typo LOL

Sure it was Jim, sure it was.
More likely a Freudian slip!
Don't repress yourself so much.
Let it out!   WTF?

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Hey I agree with you there. Nothing wrong with doing an extra check
of people that fit the terrorist profile. You're riding on the
Airlines plane and you agree to their rules when you buy the ticket.
But I use to work in the WTC and stood watching it collapse live not
on TV like most people. I was lucky that day. But I will never accept
that locking up a 70 year old man with no charges is what America
should be doing.


A 70 year old man has the same chances as anyone else.
Because in the end, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry
about. And if your innocent and have nothing to hide, then the ones that
loose are them, for wasting all of that time and money.

Security ain't cheap. And so what goes around, comes around.
So for me it's like water off a duck's back. :o)

Best.
Al


_____

Yeah what a p*ssy he was going to Vietnam while GWB risked his life
guarding Houston for the commie threat.

Was it in Vietnam that he sold out to the commies?
Face it. Clinton and Gore are traitors who shouldn't have been impeached...
They should have been shot for treason, and the Buddhist nuns they took the
money from too! J/K. Probably.
Hey don't get me wrong, GW can be a goof too. But he sure can talk the
retoric. Not since Regan have we had someone who could make the commie quake
enough to make the walls come tumbling down. I love it! When Regan faked
the Russian out an made them over spend to keep up with Star Wars, it was a
pipe dream! Now it enough of a reality to shoot those North Korean bottle
rockets out of the sky!

Now drop the tread man....Drop it!

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I just think this country should stand for more than just security.

That doesn't mean we should line up like sheep for any religious kook who wants to slit our throats.  We are a nation of warriors!  Freedom is won and preserved and paid for with blood.  And not just ours.  You think those Brits wanted to lets us have this country?  Not until we k*lled enough of them to get our point across.
Here's another quote for ya . . . The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!
Now drop it!

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There's two moons in Burton's flick. So they cancel each other out.   

Four, Jeff.   Four moons.  Count 'em.<.html

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Near the start of the original POTA after the ship crashes, the black guy says there's no moon in the sky.

I remember him saying...Cloud cover at night. A strange luminocity.  Thunder and lightning, but no rain.

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

There's two moons in Burton's flick. So they cancel each other out.   

Four, Jeff.   Four moons.  Count 'em.

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From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:59 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

  Four moons?! Why, that's ridiculous! What kind of science does Burton subscribe to, anyway?   - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

There's two moons in Burton's flick. So they cancel each other out.   

Four, Jeff.   Four moons.  Count 'em.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/24/02 4:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In the first film Cornelius points to an area that would be northern
or central New Jersey. From the map it looks like Manhattan and a
good chunk of nothern Long Island (which would be Queens, the
Brooklyn portion still remains) has mended with the mainland coast.
Taylor indicates he crashed somewhere near the coast of southern
conneticut or the bronx.
At the end they follow a river to the shore where the cave is. On the
map there are two rivers that lead to the coast and they are both
well south of where Taylor landed. One lets out close to the southern
tip of Long Island (Brooklyn) and the other is furhter south. Thus
Taylor crashed much further north and it makes sense that Taylor by
riding north would come upon the ruin of the statue and Manhattan.
They would lie between the cave and where he crashed.  Well at least
that's how I see it.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!  The body of water that Taylor points to is what was once Chesapeake Bay.  Cornelius is holding the map sideways with the Atlantic Ocean to the south primarily because the filmmakers didn't want to give away that it's the east coeast of the United States.  You have this idea the it's New York because of God Damn BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES.  For you it has to be the New York area because that ties the two films together in a nice big bow, but it's wrong!  That lousy bastard of a sequel!  Nothing in BENEATH supersedes what is in PLANET, and any inconsistency between the two is because of the sloppy and chaotic nature of BENEATH's production.  I really do despise BENEATH!  AND THAT'S MY OPINION!

I'd like everyone in this group to just take a look at Cornelius' map in PLANET, then take a map of the area of the east coast where Chesapeake Bay is and turn it on its side so the Atlantic is south, then tell me that the two aren't almost a perfect match!

-- Rory

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Yeah well I don't like the word "buddy" and neither do my kids.

The word is "mate". You know, "G'Day mate!".

So please be more tolerant.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 14:49
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Intolerance
>
>
> > What are you, buddy? Some kind of
> > born-again goody, goody?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> No just a mature adult that doesn't need to you curse words to make
> my point.
>
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From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 16:10
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Intolerance

OPPS that was a typo LOL

Sure it was Jim, sure it was.
More likely a Freudian slip!
Don't repress yourself so much.
Let it out!   WTF?

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Well, buddy, I just wanted to clarify for EVERYONE new to the group that
bitch fights go private.

Can I say bitch?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 8:42
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Intolerance - Get Off The Air!!!!
>
>
> Hey, I've been totally respectful of others opinions. I've stated
> many times that while I didn't agree with someone's interpetation
> that it was no less valid than mine. I've never called someone's view
> silly or bullsh*t or questioned thier intelligence. You can go back
> and reread my posts if you like. All I've asked Rory to do is be more
> tolerant of the opinions of others on the board and not demean them.
> And my assumption of Rory's age was based on the tenor of his posts.
> But I guess I was mistaken and it sounds like he is old enough to
> fight his own battles.
> And maybe you should practice what you preach. You could of emailed
> me privately but chose to try and start a public fight on the board.
>
> > Hey Buddy, Rory's not the only one who needs a chill pill so back
> off.
> >
> > You'd be surprised how old he is, so stop making assumptions and
> making an
> > ass of yourself.
> >
> > If you want people to disagree respectfully, then set an example.
> >
> > Two wrongs don't make a right and if you want a bitch fight with
> Rory, take
> > it privately and to his email address.
> >
> > Face it, whatever Dehn intended, he did not give the timeline the
> respect or
> > the cerebral commitment it deserved. Either that or he was doing
> drugs that
> > made it all appear to make sense. What we are left with is
> theories as far
> > fetched as Patrick's to explain all the inconsistensies and these
> leave us
> > somewhat unsatisfied.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 4:57
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Intolerance
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey buddy you really need to take a chill pill. When you're older
> and
> > > more mature you'll realize there are more important things to get
> > > upset about. And there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with
> ideas
> > > as long as you disagree with them respectfully. Just cause you
> don't
> > > agree with something doesn't make the logic or intellectual basis
> for
> > > it invalid. Calling them silly or stupid just makes your
> arguements
> > > weaker.
> > > Paul Dehn wrote the Apes film as a circle, or temporal loop, and
> many
> > > of the audience sees it that way. For those that don't, fine. You
> > > simply have a different interpetation that is no less valid. But
> at
> > > least show some respect for those that don't agree with you
> without
> > > all the childish name calling and nasty remarks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: james611102

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:34 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name

 

I agree. The TV series doesn't fit with the films in a number of
ways. Centr

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That's reasonable enough.  But BENEATH was my introduction to
Planet of the Apes and I was so unimpressed.  It was ugly.  ESCAPE
redeemed the whole thing for me.  So, I guess I can't separate the
chapters of the book.  I started in the worst part of the middle. 

Now, you see here's a difference.  You see each film as a chapter in a book.  I see each film as a book.  I remember when ESCAPE came out and I saw it with my mother.  She said, "That's the sequel they should have made in the first place."  A lot of people hated BENEATH.  I don't think you need to see BENEATH in order to enjoy ESCAPE, and I think it's possible to see any of the movies for the first time and enjoy them without having seen any of the others -- EXCEPT BATTLE!!  That's the one sequel that never should have been made -- even Roddy McDowall forgot about it.

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Come on Al....the sequel will make life worthwhile.....oh yeah, that was
meant to have happened with POTA 2001.....maybe I'm wrong.......cheer up
anyway.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calima 5021 [calima5021com@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 4:40
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!
>
>
> The one that comes to my mind is Hitler was trying to get into
> architechture
> school. I f he hadn't have been turned down he'd have been an architect
> instead of a politician. No World War II, probably no Cold War, maybe no
> arms race, etc. Or maybe if Hitler got laid once in a while.
>
> - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> No Hitler, No 6 million Jews dying.
> No 6 million Jews dying, No state of Israel.
> No state of Isreal, No struggle between Arabs and Jews.
> No struggle between Arabs and Jews, No Armageddon.
>
> And all because a man didn't get laid every once and a whlie.
> The world is such a joke. And a very bad one at that.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> _____

Well you'll like Brian from Apemania, Jeff of Veetus fame (who actually got
Nat Trundy to chat with us one night), Aussie Video Designer Ken Taylor,
Alex the POTA 2001 website author and LordTZero the Texan Punk Rocker!!!!

And the rest too.....

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: emr1623 [emr1623@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 5:59
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> The bit about "anything else I'd like to know?" Guess I took it the
> wrong way! Anyhow, I am honored to find myself in such esteemed
> company. And I mean that seriously!!!
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., "emr1623" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> > > Did I offend thee?
> > Not at all. Why would you think so?
>
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Yeah well I don't like the word "buddy" and neither do my kids.
The word is "mate".  You know, "G'Day mate!".
So please be more tolerant.

I dunno Mike, mate seems to have sexual connotation's.
Then again . . . buddy might too, and that's even creepier.

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I think that probably the way they found all sorts of technology, they
probably would have got home in the conclusion after 5 seasons!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 6:39
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> What's with Virdon and Burke's mindset? They don't seem to
> realize it's a
> one-way trip like Taylor did. Virdon keeps wanting to see his family again
> (then why did he sign on?). They act like it was supposed to be a
> leasurely
> jaunt (to Alpha
> Centauri?). - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:54 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> > Actually, CONQUEST, too (and BATTLE), take place on the West Coast, if
> > you take John Jakes' novelization into account; he mentions the
> > decline in air pollution due to "air scrubber" facilities in the
> > mountains off to the east (I think), which would place it in
> > California (the mountains in question being the Sierras). Remember,
> > CONQUEST takes place in a "new" city somewhere on the coast, since
> > transoceanic shipments of apes arrive (i.e. it's a port city). Since
> > Breck's city is revisited in BATTLE, then we have Caesar's adventures
> > taking place on the West Coast, somewhere in California (in my novel,
> > Breck's city is an "arcopolis" subsuming the coastal towns of San
> > Simeon and Cambria (remember the "San Simian Sentinel" that Fox put
> > out as part of their publicity for CONQUEST?). This "arcopolis"
> > (named, in my novel, 'San Simeon'--taking the name of one of the towns
> > incorporated into it) is roughly halfway in between San Francisco and
> > Los Angeles.
> > This means, then, that somehow the ape civilization that flourishes
> > within a 3-day journey of Breck's arcopolis (in BATTLE, and later on
> > in the TV era) must branch out, sending out colonies eastward to end
> > up in the New York area. So too must the "mutant" community travel
> > with their beloved Bomb-god towards NYC. In Marvel's chronology of
> > POTA (in one of their 29 issues), they suggest that the Mendez
> > community migrates through transcontinental tunnels, sometime in the
> > 2200's, I think (I might be off by a century or so).
> > I've argued elsewhere that the Lawgiver ("the greatest ape of all")
> > who wrote the last of the canonical Sacred Scrolls had to have been
> > around no earlier than the time of the TV era, since apes had not yet
> > driven humanity "back into his jungle lair" (making use of them as
> > slaves instead). Clearly, something drastic happens at or just after
> > the year 3085, prompting the last of the Lawgivers to write his last
> > scriptures, which prompt the Ape civilization to further subjugate
> > Humanity down below slave status to that of an animal. This Lawgiver
> > will also (in my novel's scenario) lead his followers to the NYC area,
> > and since he knows that the desert area near it is deadly (and that
> > there's a Statue of Liberty there), he declares it to be a "forbidden
> > zone". The "something drastic" (in my novel) is a simian response
> > (i.e. a "race war" against humans) to the technological influence of
> > Virdon and Burke, who have given the humans they've come into contact
> > with reasons to fight for their rights against the Apes who have (and
> > would continue) subjugated them.
> > I agree that the TV series "doesn't fit with the films in a number of
> > ways"--but they can be "made" to fit with a little bit (make that a
> > LOT) of mental "elbow grease". The reason Virdon & Burke don't know
> > about Zira & Cornelius is because their ship left Earth in 1971, and
> > arrived at Alpha Centauri in 1980 (just as Taylor's ship left in 1972
> > and arrived at its Orion destination in 3978), both Virdon and Taylor
> > zipping back to Earth (and back through Time) a proportional amount in
> > relation to the number of lightyears they have to cross in their
> > "homing trajectory" (read my other postings for more on this):
> > Virdon's ship zips 4.34 LY back (from Alpha Centauri to Earth) on
> > EARTH-TIME 7-14-3085 yet land near Chalo on 3-21-3085 (115 EARTH-TIME
> > days before!), and Taylor's ship zips 320 LY back (from its
> > destination out in Orion to Earth) on EARTH-TIME 11-25-3978 yet
> > splashes down in 3955 (23 EARTH-TIME years before)--the ratios are the
> > same: 4.34 LY is to 320 LY as 115 "retrodays" is to 23+ "retroyears".
> > In order to "unflub" the "New York City: 2503" picture, I've had to
> > concoct a scenario that can explain how there can actually be two
> > different places named "New York City"; if you're interested, here
> > goes...
> > A group of scientists (the same group who made the holograph projector
> > seen in "The Legacy") knows there'll be a nuclear war, so they
> > establish "caches" of human knowledge all around the world, and they
> > "ride out" the actual Nuke War (which, in my timeline, is in 2006, 12
> > years before BATTLE, which was 27 years after CONQUEST) in an orbiting
> > scientific research station. After a time, they descend down to the
> > surface, which has been ravaged primarily in the northern hemisphere
> > (North America, Europe, Asia, Middle East, etc.). The southern
> > hemisphere is relatively okay, though (although civilization has
> > collapsed), so they decide to land in Australia.
> > They gather a remnant of people around them and found a country they
> > call "New America" (since they are "Jeffersonian" rationalists who
> > think that the ideals upon which the USA was established--and which
> > were abandoned after 1973 when the USA turned totalitarian--represent
> > the best chance Humanity has to recover from the War). They establish
> > a new "Washington D.C." (the "D.C." being the "District of Canberra",
> > the capital of what was once Australia), a new "Philadelphia", a new
> > "Chicago", etc., and a new "New York City" (on the "Cape York
> > Peninsula"--an obvious choice given the name). So... this "New
> > America" is founded in 2013, calendrically on the day following the
> > 86,400th "day of the Republic" (counting 4 July 1776 as the "first
> > day". The 86,400-day duration of "Old America" is compared to a "day"
> > which has 86,400 seconds. New America thrives over the next hemi-
> > millennium, and a photograph of the Cape York Peninsula "New York
> > City" is snapped in the year 2503... and it is THIS New York City
> > which Virdon and Burke see in the old book (which somehow ends up in a
> > "bomb shelter" in Old America hundreds of years later)
> >
> > Rats, I gotta go to work! I'll continue this later on...
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 2-24-2002
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > I agree. The TV series doesn't fit with the films in a number of
> > ways. Central City was located in Southern California while all the
> > films, except Escape, took place in or near New York City. The
> > Lawgiver and the Sacred Scrolls are never mentioned or even the
> > law 'Ape Shall Never Kill Ape'. Virdon & Burke have no memory of
> > Cornelius & Zira or even Taylor. It even contradicts itself in many
> > ways. While a picture of New York in the 25th Century is shown in the
> > first episode, the ruins of San Francisco indicate it was destroyed
> > in the 20th. Virdon even able to explain the subway ads to Urko. And
> > one of the ads shows apes in a zoo, not as slaves. But maybe ape
> > slavery only was a fad on the east coast and never caught on in
> > California.
> > I think like many TV series based on movies at the time, like MASH
> > and the Odd Couple, the POTA TV was based on the films but not meant
> > to be a contiuation of the films storylines.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Patrick, I don't see how a circular chronology can exist if you
> > include the TV show. It's a different back story than the films. And
> > Cornelius seemed pretty sincere when he recalled the history. I don't
> > think there's any way to justify that he thought the apes would take
> > over in the next decade. You can blame faulty record keeping though,
> > maybe they THOUGHT it was centuries but it's actually years.
> > - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

Shouldn't someone change thesubject to "Elections" here - or "Who Cares".

I am far more tolerant of swearing than I am of political talk.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 11:12
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!
>
>
> Actually, there were over 20,000 overvotes in Palm Beach County with
> 90% of those showing votes for both Pat Buchanan and Gore. If you
> break them down statiscally based on each canidates percentage of
> counted votes there; Gore would of walked away with an additional
> 10,000 votes and won. As far as any other charges they have never
> been proved. They are as baseless as the charges that Jeb Bush used
> state troopers to intimidate minority voters away from the polls.
> Both sides did things that were wrong in that election. And I don't
> think Bush stole it. I think he just got lucky.
>
> > It wouldn't have matter, much anyway. No matter which way you
> counted them
> > Bush had more votes. On top of that Gore was paying ineligible ex
> cons and
> > homeless derelicts to vote more than once trying to steal the
> election. And
> > he still couldn't come up with enough votes. It's not that Florida
> is all
> > that conservative. It's just the you don't have to be a resident
> to register
> > there. That and the fact that may FLA. residents are in the
> military and
> > voted absentee. Bush won fare and square.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Guys, is there another chat group you want to take this discussion to?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 14:48
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> I'm refering to many people that are still being detained, some of
> which I have personal knowledge, who were rounded up immediately
> after 9/11 simply for being Arab. These people have not been charged
> with any crime and are being held indefinatly. This group also
> includes some Israeli students who are being held on the off chance
> that the Al-Jezera propaganda story about 9/11 being a plot by Israel
> to set the U.S. against the Arab World is true. And from my last
> reading of the constitution holding people with no charges is not
> legal.
>
> >Could it be other suspects in the
> > 9-11 terrorism. As I understand it they were held on suspicion
> because of
> > their links with the terrorists and most have been released. I'm
> just trying
> > to figure out who the thousands are you're refering to. I think we
> have a
> > collaborator in our midst! Someone call the FBI! Now who's
> oversimplifying?
> > J/K
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 19:22
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Intolerance

Yeah well I don't like the word "buddy" and neither do my kids.
The word is "mate".  You know, "G'Day mate!".
So please be more tolerant.

I dunno Mike, mate seems to have sexual connotation's.
Then again . . . buddy might too, and that's even creepier.

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And while we're at it, where exactly was Taylor hiding those dog tags up
until the point he gave them to Nova at the beginning of Beneath? Was he
concealing them Christopher Walken style like in Pulp Fiction? I mean
really, who cares??

Very funny!  Yeah, I forgot about those dog tags Taylor suddenly has in BENEATH.  Just another example of what a sloppy mess of a movie BENEATH is.

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/24/02 11:05:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You have an interesting point. And it does look similar on a map
turned sideways. But taking Planet by itself. How did the Statue of
Liberty get there? It's over 130 miles from New York Harbor to the
nearest point of Chesapeake Bay and over 200 miles for the
Virginia/North Carolina area. I'm interested in how you came to that
conclusion. Please explain.

The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now.  (I would have to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off it's pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.)  The end of PLANET seems to show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just because it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova haven't been on that horse for days.   Films have to compress time for the sake of running time.  For instance, in BENEATH after Brent and Nova hear the hum in the subway station it appears in the film as if they just take a short walk and there they are in Manhattan.  Actually they would had to have walked for hours through the tunnels.  The film could have better communicated this if there had been a dissolve between two or more of those shots of them walking through the tunnels, but the director didn't do it.  By the way, have you ever noticed there's not one dissolve in PLANET?  The film is all cuts.

So, a further answer to your question is that Taylor had to ride close to a couple hundred miles up the coast to end up finding the Statue.  Maybe one of the reason the makers of BENEATH moved everything up closer to New York was so that they wouldn't have to deal with the distances involved.  The gorilla army would have had to have marched for weeks to get from where Ape City seems to be in PLANET to the ruined New York of BENEATH.

-- Rory<.html

I'm willing to drop it. You're the one that keeps it going. And I'm not confused. I choose to be ruled by the princples of the Bill of Rights, not by fear and racism. And, if you don't want to continue the thread; don't respond.

>
> Okay, now you are excited and confused. So just close your eyes and take a
> few deep breaths and think of POTA. And drop the tread, maaaaan. Just Drop
> IT!

.htmlIn a message dated 2/24/02 11:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.

I was going to bring up the moon thing.  Remember in PLANET Dodge mentions the cloud cover at night and that strange luminosity.  Of course, the filmmakers had to come up with this in order that the astronauts couldn't figure out right away where they were, but I've come to believe that in PLANET the earth has lost its moon and that the 'strange luminosity' could be cause by the reflected light coming from a debris ring around the earth.  A destroyed moon could also help explain the massive change in the landscape of North America, something a nuclear war alone wouldn't do.  The 'storm of meteors' that Taylor speculates on at the end of PLANET may have actually happened.

The remake of THE TIME MACHINE will feature a scene where the moon is destroyed.  I look forward to seeing what hapopens in that movie.

-- Rory<.html

Interesting, the made the same arguement in 1942 when Japanese-Americans were illegally detained. Sen. McCarthy made the same arguement in the '50s.

>
> A 70 year old man has the same chances as anyone else.
> Because in the end, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry
> about. And if your innocent and have nothing to hide, then the ones that
> loose are them, for wasting all of that time and money.
>
> Security ain't cheap. And so what goes around, comes around.
> So for me it's like water off a duck's back. :o)
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> _____

.htmlIn a message dated 2/24/02 11:18:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

My ears and eyes are anything but virgin. I just know that kids read
these boards, my nephew for one, and don't think that suck language
is appropriate for them.

Is it our responsibility if somebody's kids are reading these boards?  If I wanted to be a parent I'd be one.  Tell the kids to get off the damn computers, or better yet pull the plug.


-- Rory<.html

Damn and all this time I thought I was talking with someone who had grip on reality. LOL

>
> Was it in Vietnam that he sold out to the commies?
> Face it. Clinton and Gore are traitors who shouldn't have been impeached...
> They should have been shot for treason

.htmlIn a message dated 2/24/02 11:24:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yes, and even if they counted swinging chads, hanging chads, pregnant chads, dimpled, pimpled, and acned chads, Gore still couldn't come up with enough votes to carry the state and the election.  I'd say he got more than a fair count.

Come on, T!!!  You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not exactly unbiased.  You know what I think?  It doesn't matter who the hell is president.  The office runs itself.  This country survived fine Clinton's escapades, Reagan's naps, and Nixon's criminality, and there have been presidents in the past worse than them.

-- Rory<.html

The terrorists hate us cause of our freedoms. If we give them up out of fear; they've won a greater victory than in any battle. Now you drop it.

>
> That doesn't mean we should line up like sheep for any religious kook who
> wants to slit our throats. We are a nation of warriors! Freedom is won and
> preserved and paid for with blood. And not just ours. You think those Brits
> wanted to lets us have this country? Not until we k*lled enough of them to
> get our point across.
> Here's another quote for ya . . . The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!
> Now drop it!

Whatever, you want Mate!

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yeah well I don't like the word "buddy" and neither do my kids.
>
> The word is "mate". You know, "G'Day mate!".
>
> So please be more tolerant.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 14:49
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Intolerance
> >
> >
> > > What are you, buddy? Some kind of
> > > born-again goody, goody?
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> > No just a mature adult that doesn't need to you curse words to make
> > my point.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 12:23:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Face it.  Clinton and Gore are traitors who shouldn't have been impeached...
They should have been shot for treason, and the Buddhist nuns they took the
money from too!  J/K.  Probably.
Hey don't get me wrong, GW can be a goof too.  But he sure can talk the
retoric.  Not since Regan have we had someone who could make the commie quake
enough to make the walls come tumbling down.  I love it! 

T, you sound like something out of DR. STRANGELOVE!!!   I think one of the big problems with the U.S. is this kind of Right-Wing mentality.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 1:33:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  I don't know if anyone cares, but POTA2001 will be released in a "movie only" version on March 5th. I guess that means without the extras, like the recent "Patton". It's only like $5 cheaper. Why bother?

                                                           - - - Jeff



I think it may also be Pan&Scan.

-- Rory<.html